Methodist divestment highlights Israel’s place in the world

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This is part of Marc H. Ellis’s “Exile and the Prophetic” feature for Mondoweiss. To read the entire series visit the archive page.

It takes one’s breath away. How far Israel has fallen. But it isn’t just the state of Israel. We Jews have fallen with Israel. With our place among and within the nations secure, Jewish alliances with power become more and more troubling.

So say the Methodists, at least on the question of the state of Israel. Their decision to withdraw their investments from five major Israeli banks for their enablement – and profiteering – from the occupation of Palestinians is telling.

Since banks and other corporations all over the world profit off injustice, this should hardly surprise us. With regard to Israel, this point was made clear years ago in A Civilian Occupation: The Politics of Israeli Architecture. Here the Israeli authors pointed out that, rather than the settlements being the result of religious right wing extremists, all Israeli institutions and corporations are involved in and benefit from the occupation of Palestinians. Banks are only part of this criminal occupation enterprise.

But here is where the Methodists become more troubling and radical. Not only do they call out Israel for its transgressions, but they add it to a list of “high-risk” areas that “demonstrate a prolonged and systematic pattern of human rights abuses.” It is the nations of the world they place Israel among that’s most explosive:

Central African Republic
Eritrea
Equatorial Guinea
Israel-Palestinian Territories
Morocco-Western Sahara
North Korea
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Sudan
South Sudan
Syria
Turkey-Northern Cyprus
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan

Though this list is of interest itself, skewing the problems of the world outside the West, as if human rights abuses exist in a vacuum, Israel’s inclusion on the list remains important. At least for the Methodists, Israel is now grouped with the lowest of the low, the dregs of the global order. This, despite the opposition of major Jewish organizations within the United States and Israel itself, lobbies that the other countries on the list don’t have. Credit where credit is due: the Methodists have persevered.

Yet as difficult as it is for the Methodists to include Israel on this nefarious list, to keep it there and now to take significant concrete actions against Israeli institutions, there remains a missing constituency – the American Jewish establishment.

Should the Jewish establishment be included on this list? Perhaps the Methodists will change the notation: Israel-Palestinian Territories/American Jewish Establishment.

So far connecting the Jewish dots have been a bridge too far for the Methodist and other Christian divestment advocates. Church divestment advocates have steered clear of the issue of a broader Jewish complicity in human rights abuses. Just the opposite. Divestment advocates have denied this link, emphasizing that the implication of Israel’s human rights abuses in no way carries a Jewish label.

This fascinating diversion is rarely remarked upon. This is true when it comes to Israel itself, as if Israel’s claim to be a Jewish state is not an issue and as if the overwhelming majority of Israel’s soldiers aren’t Jews. For the Methodists, as for other church divestment resolutions and debates, the idea that American Jews are part and parcel of the problem carries the stigma of anti-Semitism.

Yet the reality is that American Jews, indeed Jews all over the world, are entangled in Israel. Isn’t it time for Christian advocates for justice for Palestinians to take the next step and call Israel what it has always been, a Jewish issue?

About Marc H. Ellis

Marc H. Ellis is retired Director and Professor of Jewish Studies at Baylor University and author of The Heartbeat of the Prophetic which can be found at Amazon and www.newdiasporabooks.com

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  1. Kay24
    January 14, 2016, 10:40 am

    JVP wants you to sign this open letter showing support for the Methodist Church:

    link to org.salsalabs.com

    • amigo
      January 14, 2016, 11:03 am

      Done .

      Now let,s sit back and wait for the usual , “debunking” and insults directed towards all Methodists , from the usual suspects who suffer from self imposed myopia.

      Meanwhile the isolation continues slowly but surely.

      link to ipsc.ie

      Does the term “exponential” come to mind.

    • Froggy
      January 14, 2016, 8:12 pm

      Done.

    • Marnie
      January 16, 2016, 9:32 am

      Over 11,000 signatures at my signing. Thanks for the link Kay! They only need 10,000 signatures so yay!

      • Kay24
        January 16, 2016, 8:53 pm

        I am sure they are happy with the results too. :))

  2. MaxNarr
    January 14, 2016, 10:51 am

    Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences. The methodist church first and foremost. Watch and wait.

    • eljay
      January 14, 2016, 11:08 am

      || MaxNarr: Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences. The methodist church first and foremost. Watch and wait. ||

      Man, are you ever going to be an unhappy little supremacist when your oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project finally collapses… :-(

    • amigo
      January 14, 2016, 11:15 am

      “Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences.” maxnarr

      Oooooh, shiver me timbers. Do please elaborate maximusminimus. Hopefully , your project ,BDS push back , will keep you and your tinpot nation very very busy as new names are added to the list on a daily basis .Israel is going to feel the wrath of the BDS Tsunami speeding ever forward, destroying every zionist crime ridden dream in it,s relentless path.

      • MaxNarr
        January 14, 2016, 11:33 am

        Lol @ BDS tsunami.

      • amigo
        January 14, 2016, 1:42 pm

        “Lol @ BDS tsunami.” maximusminimus

        Keep your head in the sand maxi .Ignore that huge wave coming at your behind.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2016, 5:55 pm

        “Lol @ BDS tsunami.” “MaxNarr”

        Ah, that must be the “severe consequences” “MaxNarr” warned us about.

      • Sycamores
        January 14, 2016, 11:56 pm

        i have to laugh, the only entity that will suffer from severe consequences is Israel’

        like Israel is willing to suffer the consequences of downgrading its relationship with the seven largest economy in the world, Brazil for not accepting an illegal settler as ambassador. wow! this has to be one of the dumbest things Israel has done in a while. and now they willing to do it again with the Methodist. double whammy.

      • Froggy
        January 15, 2016, 12:53 pm

        amigo :: “Oooooh, shiver me timbers. Do please elaborate maximusminimus.”

        Maybe they are planning to nuke Wales.

      • amigo
        January 15, 2016, 1:52 pm

        “Maybe they are planning to nuke Wales.” Froggy

        You french Rugby fans will do anything to neutralize the opposition.Just think , as Ireland is only 50 miles away from Wales and with a good strong westward wind , France would greatly improve it,s chances in the next world Cup.

    • Kay24
      January 14, 2016, 11:53 am

      The Methodist Church is fully aware of that I am sure, but the great thing is, they don’t seem to give a damn. :)) Zios watch and wait, more to come.

    • Sycamores
      January 14, 2016, 4:09 pm

      there is a little thing call the first amendment in the United states constitution

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      these anti-BDS bills were fast tracked on to back of large Trade bills because they had very little support.
      the general view of these bills from what i read is that they are all bark and no bite.

      for the sake of the Israeli firsters it better that it stay that way otherwise they will be tsunami of American citizens asking why is some Middle Eastern country trying to change our First Amendment?

      oh BTW 114th Congress has 43 United Methodists who might have a word or two to say about the proposed bills, wouldn’t you say Max?

    • Mary T
      January 14, 2016, 4:31 pm

      “Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences.”

      Am I the only one thinking this sounds like a threat? What severe consequences? Will Methodist churches be bombed? Vandalized? Will Methodists be roughed up or killed? Will Methodist congregations be unable to obtain loan funds for church construction or renovation?

      Please explain your statement, MaxNarr.

      • Mooser
        January 14, 2016, 6:02 pm

        “Please explain your statement, MaxNarr.”

        “MaxNarr” doesn’t want to explain. He wants people to think the worst.

      • echinococcus
        January 14, 2016, 9:48 pm

        Even if the Narr doesn’t explain, I would certainly expect the latter possibility.

      • Kay24
        January 15, 2016, 3:35 am

        It could come in the way of a false flag too. They are experts at that.

    • lysias
      January 14, 2016, 4:46 pm

      I wonder if God might have something to say about that.

    • Mooser
      January 14, 2016, 4:50 pm

      “Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences. The methodist church first and foremost. Watch and wait.”

      Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei “hooray” Maxila! The revenge of the Jews is at hand!

      You can’t name a single goddam thing we can do about it, can you? How is “the Jewish state” capable of causing “severe consequences” to the Methodist Church (“first and foremost”)?
      “MaxNarr”, if you don’t tell us what those things are, people might come up with suggestions about what the “Jewish state” might be doing, like they have in the past. Is that what you want?

      • Kris
        January 15, 2016, 3:43 pm

        I just hope that it won’t involve the odd collapse of tall steel buildings.

    • RoHa
      January 14, 2016, 7:04 pm

      Israel is going to impose “sever consequences” on the Methodist Church?

      That’s going to make friends and influence people.

      There are around 26 million Methodists in the world, and 8 million of them are American United Methodists.

      • echinococcus
        January 15, 2016, 4:24 am

        RoHa and Mooser,

        He didn’t write that the Zionist entity, or Jewish state, will do anything.
        Their owners and groupies will.

        As indicated in the last two paragraphs of Ellis’ excellent article.

    • Froggy
      January 14, 2016, 8:15 pm

      -LOL!!!-

      You zionista bully boychiks have delusions of power.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 14, 2016, 11:20 pm

        maybe he’s insinuating the JDL will start murdering people again. blowing up offices. kahane lives and all that. whatever. bring it on. perhaps american deserves a taste of the terror it’s wrought on the world, in part by supporting that gruesome criminal state.

        yeah, we’ll watch and wait. what are you going to do max? join the underground. get us all quivering in our pants. you can blow up markets and wreck havoc here at home too, is that your plan? false flags or you plan on outing yourselves w/more “face severe consequences”. but we’re not giving up. we have our grandchildren to think about. this rein of colonial terror israel has wrought on palestine, it won’t work here. there are too many of us. you can’t kill us all and we will turn against you. you don’t scare me. you need us, we do not need you, regardless of all the constant BS thrown in our direction. america doesn’t need israel. in fact, maybe we should be learning some lessons at home about what this horrendous USFP has meant to the people of the ME, and other places too. why should we sit here all snug in our blankies while places like libya are being overtaken by daesh (BECAUSE OF US)? certainly you don’t think you have the power to bring that down on us via israeli revenge do you? just keep talkin max. whatever you’ve got up your sleeve we can handle. if palestinian sumud can put up with your genocidal crap for 70 years who are we to kowtow to your threats?

        you don’t scare me max

      • just
        January 15, 2016, 7:40 am

        Well said, Annie.

        Thanks for this refreshing and brutally honest article, Prof Ellis.

      • Froggy
        January 15, 2016, 12:55 pm

        Thank you, Annie. Well said.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 1:43 pm

        thanks u 2, i must have gotten a little bee in my bonnet last night.

    • Don
      January 15, 2016, 11:22 am

      Gee Max, do you mean the kind of consequences Alex Odeh met?

    • rosross
      January 15, 2016, 7:01 pm

      Not so we have noticed. BDS has been going for a few years now and goes from strength to strength. South Africa was bigger, richer, stronger and far more independent than Israel will ever be and it could not hold out against world opinion.

    • Steve Grover
      January 16, 2016, 9:57 pm

      Max,
      This Ellis guy who wrote this crap delivered a Yom Kippur sermon at Tzedek Chicago. Tzedek Chicago is a “synagogue” in Chicago that is lead by a guy who is as moronic as Ellis. His name is “Rabbi” Brant Rosen. They have a handful of members and call themselves non Zionist “Jews”. Which is a lie because they are anti Zionists. Rosen, Ellis and their handful of fellow travelers are simply not payed attention to by anyone in the Chicago area.

      • Mooser
        January 17, 2016, 12:29 pm

        ” Ellis and their handful of fellow travelers are simply not payed attention to by anyone in the Chicago area.”

        Yup, that’s just how Reform Judaism started out

        “They have a handful of members and call themselves non Zionist “Jews”. Which is a lie because they are anti Zionists.”

        Yup, Zionism is Judaism, and Judaism is Zionism! And Jewish parents all over the world are looking forward to turning over their children to the likes of you, “Grover”.

        PS. “Grover” you really should have skipped “gym” class for your BM lessons in the Rabbi’s MB. Not your English classes.

      • Mooser
        January 17, 2016, 12:43 pm

        I can’t help getting a huge plate of nachos from “Grovner”!

        I mean, what a hot-house orchid that one is! How precious he is!
        Every time I hear from “Grovner” I think to myself, I do: “We are doing all-right in the big ‘Hello Columbus'”.

        It takes years, heck, generations, of well, being comfortable to produce something so aidel gepotchket.
        Oh well, dial “M” for meshugeh .

    • Marnie
      January 17, 2016, 12:59 am

      I am the great and powerful……..maxxnarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…………..

      link to youtube.com

    • Mooser
      January 17, 2016, 1:06 pm

      “Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences.” “MaxNarr”

      “MaxNarr” are you telling “every entity” to keep a close watch on their bank accounts, keep fire extinguishers handy, and count their kids and pets several times a day? Only fair to warn them, or they can blame you for anything that does happen.

      Hey, “MaxNarr” you know a lot about antisemitism, don’t you?

      • RoHa
        January 17, 2016, 6:15 pm

        Mooser, are horses’ heads kosher?

    • eljay
      January 14, 2016, 12:14 pm

      || MaxNarr: link to methodistfriendsofisrael.com ||

      A Zio-supremacist links to a Zio-supremacist website. Imagine that.

      • MaxNarr
        January 14, 2016, 12:30 pm

        What is a ziosupreme? Can I order it at taco bell?

        In any case, Methodists are really pro Israel, similar to presbys they have some radicals in the synod but hey, who doesn’t? Recall these people are christians and Jesus was a Jew. A Ziosupreme! So in the end, we are on the same time if you really dig down into it.

      • eljay
        January 14, 2016, 12:31 pm

        It’s cute how you think that these “Friends” actually care about you, when what they actually want is for Israel to exist so that the Messiah – Jesus Christ, the Son of God, your Saviour – can return to rule the world.

        It’s all right there in their Statement of Faith:

        •We believe in one God, revealed in 3 distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit
        . . .
        •We believe we can only receive forgiveness, redemption and eternal life by repenting, believing in Him and His completed work on the cross, and accepting Him as our Lord and Saviour
        . . .
        •We believe that Jesus is coming again as King, that He will return to the Mount of Olives and His throne will be in Jerusalem

      • Annie Robbins
        January 14, 2016, 2:28 pm

        eljay, the people max link to, in the UK, they are not even part of the united methodist church. you can read about them here in >>
        Zionist Cuckoos in the Methodist Nestlink to palestinechronicle.com

        By Stuart Littlewood – London
        A few weeks ago the Methodist Church’s annual conference did a very courageous and praiseworthy thing. It voted to boycott products from Israeli settlements in Occupied Palestine, regarded as illegal under international law, and to encourage Methodists across Britain to do the same.
        “The decision is a response to a call from a group of Palestinian Christians, a growing number of Jewish organisations, both inside Israel and worldwide, and the World Council of Churches,” said the press release.
        Christine Elliott, Secretary for External Relationships, remarked: “This decision has not been taken lightly, but after months of research, careful consideration and finally, today’s debate at the Conference. The goal of the boycott is to put an end to the existing injustice. It reflects the challenge that settlements present to a lasting peace in the region.”

        Predictably the Board of Deputies of British Jews, which calls itself “the chief voice of British Jewry”, blew a gasket. In a joint statement with the Jewish Leadership Council they said the Methodists should “hang their heads in shame”. The Chief Rabbi led the verbal assault warning that the implications would “reverberate across the hitherto harmonious relationship between the faith communities in the UK”.
        What seemed to have inflamed the Chief Rabbi this time was the report ‘Justice for Palestine and Israel’ submitted to the Methodist Conference. Its recommendations include the following:

        more at the link

      • eljay
        January 14, 2016, 2:31 pm

        || MaxNarr: What is a ziosupreme? Can I order it at taco bell? … ||

        It’s not “ziosupreme”, so what you need to order is a book on reading basics.

        || … Recall these people are christians and Jesus was a Jew. So in the end, we are on the same time … ||

        So are you officially a Christian Jew or a Jewish Christian? Do your Jewish friends know you worship Christ the Lord, your Saviour and Messiah?

      • echinococcus
        January 14, 2016, 2:56 pm

        Recall these people are christians and Jesus was a Jew

        They are Christian (why the selective lower-case?) because of something that happened to Jesus the Jew, no? At least if we go by the reports.

        Narr.

      • amigo
        January 14, 2016, 3:18 pm

        Annie , thanks for that link.Very informative.

        Poor maxi, so desperate , he will grab on to any passing piece of flotsam and jetsam in a desperate attempt to stay afloat.Wait until his Methodist friends push his head under water during end times.Too funny.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 14, 2016, 4:00 pm

        amigo, it was quite a few years ago when i wrote some articles about the presbyterian divestment. there’s sort of an over riding (large, the largest) pres church USA (PCUSA) link to pcusa.org — here’s their wiki page link to en.wikipedia.org

        very big. anyway, early on in church divestment battle i was writing this story and found out how these groups pop up that a person like myself wouldn’t normally understand were not mainstream groups. link to mondoweiss.net

        The Israel/Palestine Mission Network (IPMN) of the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) has issued an unprecedented press release condemning the mischaracterization of Presbyterian Church (USA) policies on Israel/Palestine by the unofficial group Presbyterians for Middle East Peace (PFMEP).

        The unusual quality of this press release is that it questions the motives of PFMEP and accuses it of functioning as part of a hasbara campaign.

        PFMEP has functioned as part of Israel’s hasbara (propaganda) campaign by uncritically supporting Israeli policy. It has done so in a manner consistent with other organizations that came into existence as part of that same hasbara campaign in the United States, designed to silence criticism of Israeli policies. Because PFMEP does not reveal either their funding sources or their membership, legitimate questions can be raised about how and why they come to support the positions they hold.

        Last month in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency report Protestant churches’ letter on Israel straining ties with Jews, JTA quoted Rev. John Wimberly, a ‘co-moderator’ of the unofficial group PFMEP. Wimberly claimed there was “a very small, very vocal group in the Presbyterian Church that wants to see Israel punished.” Church denominations have stood strong in the face of the Jewish establishment’s uproar over the letter to Congress, which urges “an investigation into possible human rights and weapon violations by the government of Israel.

        anyway it goes on and on and there are lots of embeds. point is: they make a website, cobble together a few people, put on a big name, claim the PCUSA is like nothing (they represent millions) and send out all these press releases calling themselves “Presbyterians for Middle East Peace”. this is how they operate. probably the same in the UK. probably the same for methodists. the Wimberly character is also on the board of the ADL. they formed just to fight divestment, not over religion.

    • amigo
      January 14, 2016, 2:40 pm

      Your link is mispelt. It should read, “methodist-friend-of Israel.

      That site got it,s mission statement straight from the GOI .By the way , why did they wait until 2010 to show their support.

  3. JWalters
    January 14, 2016, 5:35 pm

    Thanks for this courageous article. The “Jewish Establishment” would indeed be a logical part of the discussion given their well-known role in creating and maintaining Israel and its criminal activities. The Methodists’ reluctance to go there in one big step is understandable, however, given the “Jewish Establishment’s” power in the media, politics, and banking.

    Terminology may be important here, to avoid tarnishing truly progressive Jews, and to minimize charges of anti-Semitism. So it seems to me your earlier term “Jewish Establishment” issue would probably be better than your later term “Jewish issue”.

    In this vein, Jewish psychologist Avigail Abarbanel distinguishes between the dupers and the dupees in her article, “It’s time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped”.
    link to mondoweiss.net

    You may, however, have additional insights into a connection between the Jewish Establishment’s behavior and some Jewish religious teachings. In that case I would defer to your greater understanding regarding a “Jewish issue”.

  4. JWalters
    January 14, 2016, 6:22 pm

    Another little part of the bigger picture.

    “Two American companies—Airbnb and RE/MAX—are making money from illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank.”
    link to truthdig.com

  5. bryan
    January 15, 2016, 5:41 am

    As Max and many others are fully aware – BDS is a potent weapon in the hands of people of goodwill everywhere to put pressure on Israel to save itself and in so doing to secure a measure of justice for Palestine.

    However their appears to be an information deficit in the lack of an accessible, comprehensive, authoratative and fully updated database of companies world-wide which are benefitting from the occupation. Efforts by, for instance, the Methodists and by European pension funds seem to be entirely disconnected and piecemeal. Therefore I ask those here who may have a deeper knowledge of BDS than myself if such a source is available anywhere, that ordinary citizens could use to inform their consumer purchasing and investment activities, and to penalise companies complicit in the occupation, and perhaps just as important, to reward companies that have successfully disassociated themselves from such immoral activities???

    The obvious home for such a strategic resource would be the website of the BDS movement (link to bdsmovement.net) but while there are some excellent resources there it does not attempt to offer a comprehensive list (indeed it states that “Boycott targets may differ from country to country, so you might want to contact a BDS related organisation near you to find out what the boycott movement in your country is prioritising.”) I can accept that there will be minor local variations especially where small retailers and wholesalers (e.g. of fruit and vegetables) are involved, but the world is now so dominated by international corporations and retail chains, that a single comprehensive and authoratative list of all the larger entities should be perfectly feasible. I visualise something that would provide a full list of companies involved, with at lower levels full documentation of the commercial involvement, and full details of any steps that the company may be in the process of taking to extract itself from those commitments.

    I have seen very impressive documentation of companies’ involvements, but the problem is these have not been maintained over time. For instance an excellent and very thoroughly researched document analysing 60 international companies (link to interfaithpeaceinitiative.com) was produced in 2009. The American Friends Service Committee at one time produced a document enabling investment screening called “Companies Sustaining the Israeli Occupation” but this no longer seems to be available. Who Profits (link to whoprofits.org) has some excellent research, but its information is not easily accessible nor current (for instance, CRH last updated several months ago with no mention of recent divestment from Mashav).

    Any thoughts, anyone?

  6. hophmi
    January 15, 2016, 8:55 am

    Yes, against the will of most of their members, the Methodist Church was pushed into doing this by their anti-Israel faction.

    Marc Ellis asks why they didn’t just sanction the entire American Jewish community.

    Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.

    • Sibiriak
      January 15, 2016, 10:14 am
    • diasp0ra
      January 15, 2016, 10:26 am

      Do you have any proof to back up what you just said?

      How do you know that it was against the will of most of their members? It was a democratic process where representatives voted, where are you getting your info from?

      • amigo
        January 15, 2016, 12:26 pm

        “How do you know that it was against the will of most of their members?” diasp0ra to hoppy.

        He has his standard hasbara handbook.That one is on page one, ltem 3.

        3, Always claim the opposition is led by a few “Jew haters and anti semites”.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 12:43 pm

        amigo, diasp0ras name is with a zero not a capital O. just thought i’d mention (i edited/fixed it)

      • amigo
        January 15, 2016, 1:05 pm

        Thanks Annie.No devious intention on my part.Just a human error.Never could tell the difference between a zero and a capital O. I am Irish , so it,s all Greek to me.

        Hey, I am off to Dublin next Friday. Gideon Levy is part of a symposium at the Abbey Theater. Booked my ticket today.A once in a life time opportunity for us in Ireland.Jeff Halper is also here to launch a new book ! , “War Against The People – Israel, the Palestinians and Global ‘Pacification’”.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 15, 2016, 1:36 pm

        it would never occur to me you were being devious amigo, i just thought you’d want to know since i’ve noticed a few times.

        that sounds like such an awesome trip/experience! i hope you have a wonderful time. ireland is so wonderful. i will be back someday.

        xx

      • amigo
        January 15, 2016, 2:04 pm

        “ireland is so wonderful. i will be back someday. “Annie.

        Sure it hasn,t been the same since you left.We have been through a Celtic boom and then a Celtic bust and now it appears we are heading towards another boom , (highest growth rate in the EU) again. We never learn but we seem to enjoy roller coaster rides.

        Make sure you let me know if , or rather , when you decide so I can show you a real , “Cead Mile Failte”.

      • hophmi
        January 17, 2016, 3:05 pm

        It’s not like Methodists voted for or support this policy.

        “Palestinian advocates, both in and outside the church, described the step as an important advance in the Boycott, Divest and Sanction campaign, or B.D.S., an international effort to pressure Israel economically over the Palestinian issue. Others within the church, however, called those claims misleading, noting that the church remains invested in other Israeli companies and that members had overwhelmingly opposed divestment resolutions.
        link to mobile.nytimes.com

      • Mooser
        January 17, 2016, 4:54 pm

        “It’s not like Methodists voted for or support this policy.”

        “Hophmi”, I think you are just the guy to explain to the Methodists how badly they were taken, how their decision process was corrupted and what “severe consequences” they risk by disinvestment in “the Jewish State”.

        Why, it’s the perfect out-reach job for you. They may even make you a Bishop or something out of gratitude.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 17, 2016, 4:58 pm

        what policy hops? i think the church has a policy of investing in companies the protect human rights. so perhaps this decision was not made out of divestment in israel per se, but over “human rights concerns”:

        link to america.aljazeera.com

        The pension board had initiated the review in 2014 with a focus on protecting human rights and easing climate change. A total of 39 companies around the world were excluded from the fund’s investments over human rights concerns and nine more were blocked over worries about their alleged contribution to global warming. The fund remains invested in 18 Israeli companies, according to board spokeswoman Colette Nies.

        ….

        A competing group, United Methodists for Constructive Peacemaking in Israel and Palestine, said in a statement that the pension board action should not be viewed as divestment from Israel, since the top Methodist legislative body rejected proposals in 2012 to divest from companies that produce equipment used by Israel in the territories. The same body, called General Conference, passed a resolution denouncing the Israeli occupation and expanding illegal Jewish settlements in the territories.

    • eljay
      January 15, 2016, 10:28 am

      || hophmi: … Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. ||

      That’s right. So when are you hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists finally going to stop anti-Semitically:
      – conflating Israel with all Jews;
      – conflating all Jews with Israel;
      – insisting that Israel is the “Jewish State” – a state established and maintained primarily for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews (rather than for all Israelis, equally);
      – insisting that Israel is the “historic homeland” of all Jewish people in the world;
      – insisting that Israel is the “one true homeland” of all Jewish people in the world;
      – insisting that loyalty to the “Jewish State” of Israel is an essential part of being Jewish?

    • Mooser
      January 15, 2016, 11:04 am

      “Marc Ellis asks why they didn’t just sanction the entire American Jewish community.”

      Now, now, “Hophmi”, the only sanction Americans can legally and practically enforce on “the entire American Jewish community” are ‘social sanctions’ of one kind or another. And they would have to do it by individual decision, any group organized for the purpose would be very problematic.
      And, really, how bad could that be? Lot’s of other people endure it.

    • Mooser
      January 15, 2016, 11:36 am

      “Yes, against the will of most of their members, the Methodist Church was pushed into doing this”

      “Hophmi”! Dial it back. You can’t just assume every other religion works like ours. I believe the Methodists have a process to arrive at these decisions.

    • amigo
      January 15, 2016, 12:20 pm

      “Yes, against the will of most of their members, the Methodist Church was pushed into doing this by their anti-Israel faction.”hopknee

      Ha ha ha ha .

      Btw , do you have a list naming the “anti Israel faction .Maxnurd will want to carry out “severe consequences ” against them.

      Thanks for the continuous entertainment hoppy.

    • Mooser
      January 15, 2016, 10:24 pm

      “Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.”

      Oooh, I wouldn’t want to be guilty of antisemitism. Even the “incipient” kind.
      So, “Hophmi why don’t you tell us where antizionism leaves off and antisemitism begins?” I mean, if we got it straight from you, we couldn’t go wrong, right?

      So, any time you want to give us the delineation, please do.

    • Marnie
      January 16, 2016, 9:38 am

      Shame on you hophmi.

  7. Qualtrough
    January 15, 2016, 10:31 pm

    Oh wow, those Methodists are canny folk, pre-empting Hasbara whataboutery right in their statement!

    “Not only do they call out Israel for its transgressions, but they add it to a list of “high-risk” areas that “demonstrate a prolonged and systematic pattern of human rights abuses.” It is the nations of the world they place Israel among that’s most explosive:

    Central African Republic
    Eritrea
    Equatorial Guinea
    Israel-Palestinian Territories
    Morocco-Western Sahara
    North Korea
    Saudi Arabia
    Somalia
    Sudan
    South Sudan
    Syria
    Turkey-Northern Cyprus
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan”

  8. amigo
    January 16, 2016, 10:57 am

    Israel,s place in the EU is about to get more isolated.

    “New EU Draft Resolution Draws Stark Distinction Between Israel, West Bank Settlements

    Israel working frantically to block pending resolution, expected to be published on Monday, that top officials says could lead to additional sanctions against Israeli settlements.

    Israel’s Foreign Ministry is making last-ditch efforts this weekend to block a pending European Union resolution that emphasizes the distinction between Israel-proper and the territories it captured during the 1967 Six Day War.

    “EU agreements with the State of Israel are only applicable to the State of Israel [and not to the settlements, B.R.]. The EU and its member states are united in their commitment to ensure full implementation of existing EU legislation and agreements applicable to settlement products. The EU reaffirms its decision [to label settlement products, B.R.] and doesn’t consider it a boycott of Israel, which the EU opposes.”

    The draft says the EU will consider taking steps to save the two-state solution. “The EU will continue to closely monitor developments on the ground and their broader implications,” says the draft. “The EU will consider further action to protect the viability of the two-state solution, which is constantly eroded by new facts on the ground.”

    A senior official in Jerusalem said that Israeli ambassadors in all the European countries as well as those in the EU institutions in Brussels had worked throughout Thursday and Friday in an effort to soften the draft resolution being promoted by Sweden, Ireland and, to an extent, France.

    As of now, that effort has not met with success. ”

    read more: link to webcache.googleusercontent.com

    Well done Ireland for being at the forefront of this long past due policy of putting manners on the rogue state .

    • Kay24
      January 16, 2016, 12:13 pm

      Israel getting punished, while Iran may get rewarded. How things can change. Iran was demonized so much before the nuclear agreement (we know who was behind that).

      Bibi must be in a bad mood these days. Heh.

      “(CNN)Iran’s foreign minister arrived in Vienna on Saturday saying he was confident the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog would certify that his country was complying with the terms of a deal to restrict its nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of some international economic sanctions.

      The International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to release its report Saturday assessing Iran’s compliance with an agreement with foreign powers, including the United States and the European Union.

      Many observers expect the IAEA will corroborate Iranian compliance.”

      • amigo
        January 16, 2016, 2:30 pm

        “Bibi must be in a bad mood these days. Heh.” Kay24

        Sure is , what with American soldiers and four other captives being released by Iran and the possibility of Iran getting some of their own money back and these EU sanctions , etc etc.He will be heading straight to the freezer to binge on ice cream .

        Expect false flag ops such as IOF criminals being ” kidnapped ” followed by the inevitable , planned lawn mowing and then nietanyahu will tell the EU this what happens when they support the terrorists.

        Given the EU,s usual weak responses , I have learned to view their promises with justifiable cynicism but I now believe they are intent on teaching Israel that the EU does not need them or their endless interference in EU policy or their whining and insults or Israel destroying projects paid for with EU money. Even Charlie Flanagan (Ireland,s FM) has done a U-turn .He was largely responsible for the Irish Gov decision not to recognise Palestine as a state.

        Let Bibi grind his teeth and bang the table.He should be serving a life sentence after trial at the Hague. Accountability is long overdue.Let,s wait and see how Obama chimes in on this.

      • RoHa
        January 16, 2016, 6:11 pm

        And the recent business of the American sailors who somehow ran aground in Iranian waters. Zarif and Kerry had a quiet word over the phone, and they were released and taken back to US ships, in their own patrol boats.

        (Of course, they were subjected to Iranian torture first. They had to lie around on cushions and carpets for hours. What’s worse, the poor devil were given lunch. (Looked like spicy chicken, flat bread, and fruit.) At least they avoided the dreadful suits that were forced on the British sailors.)

      • Kay24
        January 16, 2016, 8:52 pm

        I think Obama won this beautifully. Despite the arrogance, and disrespect, Nutty was able to show, by working with the shameless congress (who are supposed to support their President over a war mongering PM), Obama worked with the international community, was was able to do what we should be doing in the first place – avoid wars and use diplomacy (a forgotten practice for the past few years) to achieve peace. Iran is no better or worse than some of our so called “allies” who are guilty of the same crimes they accuse Iran of. Iran is going to flourish, enter the world stage, and do well. It is going to make the nations against them gnash their teeth and be envious. It seems some neighbors do not want Iran to do well.

        I hope soon that Americans will be able to visit this beautiful nation, and able to learn their culture and admire the amazing architecture.

      • echinococcus
        January 17, 2016, 2:49 pm

        Kay,

        I so wish it were all as you describe. Watching these events unfold, the only impression I had, repeatedly, was one of a replay. The actors, the different camps with their statements, the comedy of Zionist imposition on internal US policy, the establishing of a fictitious Iranian plan in the minds of people as if it were proved fact, all that pointed to something else for me: this is nothing but setting up Iran for a large-scale, concerted invasion as it was done (patiently and seriously) for Iraq, as supported and/or requested by the so-called “liberal” Zionists –not the short burst of murderous aggressivity to easily gain votes as desired by the Likud and Co.

      • Kay24
        January 17, 2016, 8:31 pm

        Echinococcus, I think Obama has averted yet another senseless war pushed by zionists and hardliners in the US. Of course, it is now in the hands of the Iranians, but if they wanted another war, they would not unfreeze Iranian assets, allow them access to world banking, and give them back their billions. Iran is being welcomed into the international community, and it will make it harder for the war mongers to wage their damn war this time.
        Hope Iran stays the course and does not blow it in any way.

      • echinococcus
        January 18, 2016, 4:27 am

        Kay,

        It’s worth wasting a couple more electrons on this –it will weigh heavily on Palestine.

        Yes, delaying (you say averting) a major war of aggression is worth lots of positive comment.
        The highly negative effects of the “deal” are illustrated by the words that even you are using in your post:

        Of course, it is now in the hands of the Iranians…
        Hope Iran stays the course and does not blow it in any way…

        This just shows how much the new understanding legitimizes the most despicable blackmail. From having all the rights in the world to continue developing whatever the hell they want to develop, while adhering to the NPT without having to account to anyone any more than any other member, all of a sudden they are officially marked as the sacrificial lamb, to be again sanctioned, and destroyed with a signed pretext, by the Zionist-led US of A.

        That is now so mainstream that even you, an ardent opponent of such blackmail, cannot help using the blackmail language! As I said, I hope this is not the same progression re Iraq started by Clinton Husband on the ruins of the first Bush senior aggression, to later be enforced by the Neocon Junta. It’s not only the Zionists behind it, this time, but the demented, relentless Puritan rage of US governments, fully as deranged as that of the Zionists, an irrational relentlessness we observe in many actions of the US. This one never abated since the days of Mosaddegh (70 years!) and I’d be extremely (and pleasantly) surprised if hostilities and petty harassment did not continue and build up to Zionist-led war again. In fact, right on the day of the release new sanctions were imposed; there’s a true American welcome-back! Essentially, such a return to diplomacy in otherwise strictly armed US foreign policy rings alarm bells.

        Have a look at Bill Blum, too: link to rt.com

  9. Frankie P
    January 16, 2016, 6:43 pm

    Ellis asking some important questions:

    Should the Jewish establishment be included on this list? Perhaps the Methodists will change the notation: Israel-Palestinian Territories/American Jewish Establishment.

    Yet the reality is that American Jews, indeed Jews all over the world, are entangled in Israel. Isn’t it time for Christian advocates for justice for Palestinians to take the next step and call Israel what it has always been, a Jewish issue?

    Peled answering them in the affirmative:

    link to ahtribune.com

    “Certainly there are Jewish people who actively support the Palestinian cause and speak out against the Israeli crimes. Members of my family do so, some of my friends in Palestine and around the world who are Jewish do so, and of course the ultra-orthodox Neturei Karta do so. And although these Jewish voices are beginning to be heard, all told we are a negligible few.

    So next time a Palestinian says the “Yahud” killed my family, the Yahud took my land, the Yahud put my father in prison, the Yahud forced my family into exile, spare them the indignation. Spare them the long lecture about the distinctions between Jew and Israeli, Israeli and Zionist, etc. Instead, it is time to demand the Yahud give answers. Because though Jews are known for asking tough questions, on this issue, as a collective they are far too silent.”

  10. Ossinev
    January 17, 2016, 6:53 am

    @kay24
    “I think Obama won this beautifully. Despite the arrogance, and disrespect, Nutty was able to show”

    Kay I`m afraid you have got it all wrong. Today`s JP makes the situation quite clear:
    link to jpost.com

    “Netanyahu, who fought an ultimately losing battle against the deal for years – including going toe-to-toe against US President Barack Obama over the matter – said that without Israel leading the fight to impose crippling economic sanctions on Tehran, “Iran would have had nuclear arms a long time ago.”

    He did not refer to it but I think the Yahoo believes that it was his cartoon bomb at the UN which made all the difference and really really stiffened the international resolve with regards to sanctions. Oh and BTW it was never about persuading the US to take military action to neutralize Iranian nuclear facilities – that is and was just left wing,anti – semitic,Judeophobic,Israelophobic(choose any two) propaganda. Oh and BTW Iran is still 2 minutes away form developing a nuclear weapon and they are still ultimately responsible for all forms of terrorism anytime ,anywhere in the world.

    • Kay24
      January 17, 2016, 8:59 pm

      Of course, being the only nation against this deal, and having to save face, Netanyahu must try to get some credit for the success of this deal. It reminds me of Nutty elbowing his way to the front of the parade in France recently, just to get some attention.

      Trump is also trying to get some credit for the release of the American prisoners in Iran.
      Both Nutty and Trump are the laughing stock of the political world, and they simply cannot get it.

  11. xanadou
    January 17, 2016, 5:16 pm

    If any progress is to be made, preferably sooner than later, it is important that people are made to understand that Zionism is not another word for Judaism.

    Religious people view an attack on one religion as a possible attack on their own religion.

    Perhaps the best people to explain this critical difference would be to suggest that practicing progressive Jews might want to visit with other dominations and engage the local flock in a discussion about the difference in purposes, including a discussion on BDS. People who are provided with an explanation and are invited to share their experiences are the best allies to have, an acknowledgement that they matter to someone. No?

    • Mooser
      January 17, 2016, 5:34 pm

      “If any progress is to be made, preferably sooner than later, it is important that people are made to understand that Zionism is not another word for Judaism.”

      What a great idea! so clear! So natural!

      Now go explain it to the Zionists!

      “that practicing progressive Jews might want to visit with other dominations”

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

    • Mooser
      January 17, 2016, 6:43 pm

      “Religious people view an attack on one religion as a possible attack on their own religion”

      Wow, that explains a lot of history I was always puzzled by. You know, lack of religious wars, why the Crusades never got started, the Thirty Years Peace, stuff like that.

    • Kris
      January 17, 2016, 7:14 pm

      @xanadou: “Religious people view an attack on one religion as a possible attack on their own religion. ”

      This does not seem to be true. Consider the many teachings by Israeli rabbis that Jews owe non-Jews no mercy, no consideration of any kind. They clearly reject the idea that by attacking non-Jews they may be inviting attacks on Jews.

      In fact, the very idea that the cruel behavior of Israeli Jews is the reason for attacks on innocent Jews abroad is considered “antisemitic.” The only acceptable explanation for attacks on Jews is “antisemitism,” though no one seems to be able to explain what that is or where it comes from. It is as if “Jews” supposedly have an aura that makes non-Jews go crazy with hatred.

      Anti-Christian sentiment has been on the rise in Israel in recent years, prompted by increasing attacks from far-right Jewish extremists. Aside from attacks on the Dormition Abbey (which was also targeted in 2012, 2013 and 2014) and the Church of Loaves and Fish, so-called “price tag” attacks have hit a West Jerusalem Baptist church and a Roman church, both of them in Jerusalem, among others. Messages left behind included statements such “Jesus is garbage” and “Mary was a prostitute.” link to 972mag.com

      Maybe what we should consider is whether every religion deserves respect. In the U.S. we have freedom of/from religion, and that’s as far as it goes, it doesn’t mean we have to respect any religion, and it doesn’t mean that any religion has the right to interfere with our lives. Maybe we should remember that what we honor is each person’s freedom of religion, not religion(s) themselves.

      link to youtube.com

      • JWalters
        January 17, 2016, 7:33 pm

        “Maybe we should remember that what we honor is freedom of religion, not religions(s)”

        Yes. I respect everyone’s right to belief whatever they choose. But I do not respect all those beliefs, especially when they believe they are superior to me. And as your examples make clear, no religion has a monopoly on ignorance and insanity.

        Unfortunately, that ignorance and insanity makes them easy prey for the Wall Street swindlers.

  12. xanadou
    January 17, 2016, 11:29 pm

    Absolutes don’t exist. Any religion is only as good as its congregation and leadership, and it would be grossly unfair of me to say, nor did I say, that all religions are good or bad. The texts considered sacred are a reflection of the times in which they were written or revised. Those who stay with the largely irrelevant in our time texts do so to to use the argument that “this is how we have always done it”, even if the passing times prove that adhering to the old standards have caused a lot of grief.

    Judaism was largely created between 300 and 500 bce, and reflected the savagery experienced by the local population meted out by the endless streams of invaders who cross-crossed the tiny land that was used as a glorified doormat to get to yet another pointless and short-lived conquest. The savagery of the texts spoke largely to the hated “Other”. The need to invent a Sky Ghost who was exclusively on the side of the living locals was a necessity to create a uniform and separate community with a shared goal to survive against and despite the odds. With time, that underlying reality helped the influential figures, who had come from among those same tried people, to create fanciful notions that would give the pathocrats the means to manipulate their own kind for their own, oligarchical, benefit, while pointing in the direction of the “Other” as the culprit that forces the leadership to exercise their sometimes cruel policies. And that insanity persists to this day. But things change and beliefs are modified to reflect the changing times and mores, sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much.

    To write off all the rabbis and priests and their congregations is unfair. Rabbi Ari (Feldman?), Father Berigan or Pope Frankie prove that there are those among us who do the work that the idealists among us would like to see practiced universally. Each one of those men work their convictions according to what works for them, and what they know will resonate with their flock. These are the people with a gift that soothes the rattled soul and who know to how inspire good will and good deeds. And they need all the help they can get from the rest who may not want to rest on our idealistic laurels. No?

    I was thinking about the US congregations who would sooner side with another religious group, against their common perceived enemy, e.g., the government, because they are largely either not sophisticated enough to know that they are being played, or have an interest in uniting against anyone different whether atheists, gays, socialists, etc., who are not afraid to live according to theirown expectations, rather than submit to the rule of the controlling forces, i.e.,to choose come-what-may rather than become an obedient faceless replicant.

    • Mooser
      January 18, 2016, 12:04 pm

      “Xanadou” your arguments are only limited by the endurance of your fingers. You are simply trying to take up as much space as possible, and say nothing.

  13. xanadou
    January 18, 2016, 4:01 pm

    To Mondoweiss and authors of any articles in response to which I offer my comment:

    In the event that you find my comments of no consequence, irrelevant or unworthy, I don’t have a problem if you choose to delete my contributions.

  14. talknic
    January 18, 2016, 8:55 pm

    Drip drip … link to smh.com.au

    DRIP … link to haaretz.com

    • Sibiriak
      January 18, 2016, 9:38 pm

      talknic: DRIP … link to haaretz.com
      ————————–

      All agreements between the European Union and Israel must “unequivocally and explicitly indicate their inapplicability to the territories occupied by Israel in 1967,” the EU foreign ministers agreed at the conclusion of the Foreign Affairs Council monthly meeting on Monday. [emphasis added]

      The two-state imperative is alive and well. According to the international legal and political consensus, the pre-1967 borders are the internationally recognized provisional borders between Israel and Palestine. Once again, the EU has made this perfectly clear.

      “The EU expresses its commitment to ensure that – in line with international law – all agreements between the State of Israel and the EU must unequivocally and explicitly indicate their inapplicability to the territories occupied by Israel in 1967. This does not constitute a boycott of Israel which the EU strongly opposes.” [emphasis added]

      There is zero chance of the EU going beyond the international legal and political consensus on two states/ pre-1967 borders.

    • Kay24
      January 19, 2016, 7:21 am

      To elaborate (from Haaretz)

      “United States Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro voiced nearly unprecedented criticism against Israel’s settlements in the West Bank on Monday. Shapiro praised progress made in the investigation into the arson-murder in the Palestinian village of Duma, but emphasized the inadequate response by Israeli authorities to settler violence against.
      Speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) conference in Tel Aviv, Shapiro said “Too much Israeli vigilantism in the West Bank goes on unchecked,” adding that “there is a lack of thorough investigations… at times it seems Israel has two standards of adherence to rule of law in the West Bank – one for Israelis and one for Palestinians.”
      Shapiro added that the two-state solution is the only way to prevent Israel from turning into a bi-national state, and said a way must be found to preserve its viability. He noted that the American administration is “concerned and perplexed” in wake of the Israeli government’s policy on the settlements, “which raise questions about Israeli intentions.”

      That is harsh criticism, diplomatically speaking.

      Of course, Nutty and his land bandits are not happy. Will Shapiro be muzzled and become the obedient American?

      • eljay
        January 19, 2016, 7:42 am

        || Kay24: … “United States Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro voiced nearly unprecedented criticism against Israel’s settlements in the West Bank on Monday. … Shapiro said “Too much Israeli vigilantism in the West Bank goes on unchecked,” adding that “there is a lack of thorough investigations… at times it seems Israel has two standards of adherence to rule of law in the West Bank – one for Israelis and one for Palestinians.” … ||

        “At times it seems” that Israel operates under double-standards? Really?

        Of course, this “unprecedented criticism” glosses over the fact that Israel has no business operating in the West Bank (or anywhere else outside of its / Partition borders) in the first place.

        || … Shapiro added that the two-state solution is the only way to prevent Israel from turning into a bi-national state, and said a way must be found to preserve its viability. … ||

        Like all hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists, Shapiro isn’t concerned about “preserving the viability” of Israel – he’s concerned about “preserving the viability” of religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

        || … That is harsh criticism, diplomatically speaking. … ||

        Yup, but it’s a sad thing when such tepid comments are considered “harsh criticism”.

  15. amigo
    January 19, 2016, 9:03 am

    The Guardian,s report is more precise.

    “EU foreign affairs council agrees common position on Israel and occupied Palestinian territories after Greece drops its opposition”.

    “The strongest paragraph of the communique underlined the illegality of Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    It said: “Recalling that settlements are illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution impossible, the EU reiterates its strong opposition to Israel’s settlement policy and actions taken in this context, such as building the separation barrier beyond the 1967 line, demolitions and confiscation – including of EU-funded projects – evictions, forced transfers including of Bedouins, illegal outposts and restrictions of movement and access.

    “It urges Israel to end all settlement activity and to dismantle the outposts erected since March 2001, in line with prior obligations. Settlement activity in East Jerusalem seriously jeopardises the possibility of Jerusalem serving as the future capital of both states.”

    This is a strong message to Israel.Get your act together or else??.

    ” such as building the separation barrier beyond the 1967 line, demolitions and confiscation – including of EU-funded projects – evictions, forced transfers including of Bedouins, illegal outposts and restrictions of movement and access”.

    Could it be clearer.Not one sq mm outside the 67 borders is in Israel.Personally , I think that is a big giveaway to Israel but we are where we are. Of course Israel will squawk and scream anti semitism and accuse the EU of mirroring the actions of the Nazis while it keeps stealing land and erecting illegal squats , not too mention , murdering, beating Palestinians and demolishing their homes. The EU is doing this for the record , so that in time they can say they gave Israel more than enough time to end their actions and the eventual outcome will be on their own heads.

    Israel will respond with the usual self defeating policies of insults and more crimes which will further entrench those who oppose them.Go figure.These zionists never learn.

    link to theguardian.com

    • MHughes976
      January 19, 2016, 10:05 am

      Maybe Zionist opinion will now swing behind the Brexit campaign, which might lead, some are saying, to the collapse of the EU. That’d teach them.

  16. Ossinev
    January 19, 2016, 1:35 pm

    @amigo
    “The EU is doing this for the record , so that in time they can say they gave Israel more than enough time to end their actions and the eventual outcome will be on their own heads”

    Although at pains to point out that the statement was not a call to boycott Israel, which in theory it opposes, the fact that the EU is stressing this may represent a strong hint that this could be on the cards in the near future.

    Unfortunately as you have indicated Yahoo and his cohorts are blind to this. The EU may one day soon be using the old Zionist rap song of “never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity” in referring to Israel`s descent into apartheid isolation.

    In the meantime the EU statement is IMHO a de facto endorsement of BDS. At long last lukewarm expressions of “concern” and “condemnations” have metamorphisized into action. And what with US Ambassador Shapiro`s comments about legal apartheid in the occupied territories in the space of 24 hours we have a real double whammy for the Land of Creation.

    BOYCOTT UGLY APARTHEID ISRAEL
    SUPPORT BDS
    TELL YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS ABOUT BDS

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