Barriers to love in Israel and Palestine

Israel/Palestine
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From the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU):

Happy Valentines Day!

The Institute for Middle East Understanding in collaboration with Love Under Apartheid has released a new Infographic highlighting the restrictions and barriers faced by Palestinians because of Israel’s ID system. 

Israel’s apartheid policies are creating barriers to love. Palestinians are divided into ID categories and limited in where they can live and travel, and by extension, limited in whom they can love.

Love Under Apartheid and IMEU also released a new video “Palestinians Daring to Love” highlighting four married couples struggling to maintain love and family relationships despite the restrictions imposed by Israel’s policies that systematically discriminate and segregate Palestinians.

“I never dreamed I would leave my country, but I also never dreamed I would be separated from the person I love.”

Jewish Voice for Peace comments:

Complicated dating app needed for Israel/Palestine.

32 Responses

  1. The Hasbara Buster
    February 14, 2016, 4:44 pm

    A small caveat. Interreligious marriage can be performed in Israel, since certain religions admit it. Thus, the tolerant Catholic Church marries a Catholic with whomever they choose, provided that the couple is heterosexual; the non-Catholic partner is not required to relinquish their religion. The less tolerant Islamic faith allows intermarriage only between a Muslim man and a Jewish or Christian woman. And the most intolerant religon of all three, Orthodox Judaism, refuses to perform any marriage between people of different faiths.

  2. Eva Smagacz
    February 14, 2016, 5:28 pm

    One caveat about marrying in Catholic Church: the non-catholic partner must agree that the children will be raised in catholic faith.

    Going back to Gaza: the whole idea is to separate Gaza population from the rest of the Palestinian population, and to weaken the solidarity and unity of Palestinians.

    One more point:
    I do not believe that Israeli-Palestinian citizens can marry citizens of any other country if they (spouse) is of Palestinian descent AND bring that spouse to Israel.
    Can anybody confirm/clarify this?

    • scott alexander
      February 15, 2016, 2:32 pm

      The lack of solidarity between Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank is due in no small part to the animus between Fatah and Hamas, not to Israeli policies though I suspect Israel would prefer that Fatah as a peace partner over Hamas.

      • diasp0ra
        February 15, 2016, 3:09 pm

        @Scott

        I would just like to correct you here, Scott. Israel attempts to weaken and cut off Gaza from the rest of Palestine but there is no lack of solidarity among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Quite the opposite.

        The vast majority of the population blame the political movements leadership for the split, not the people.

  3. Kay24
    February 14, 2016, 7:58 pm

    More proof that Israel has apartheid policies, one for God’s chosen, and another for the Goyim.

    All this, and our stupid members of Congress still pretend Israel is the beacon of shining light in the Middle East, and keep supporting it. The power of shekels and devious lobbies.

    • scott alexander
      February 15, 2016, 2:52 pm

      Ironic that policies based on mistrust between Arabs and Israelis discourage romances which, if in sufficient number, could help bring peace and understanding. And I suppose it will get worse if and when the Arabs create their own. State. Abbas has afterall said that no Jews would be allowed in.

      • Kay24
        February 16, 2016, 9:52 am

        Since he already knows the zionist Jews have a nasty habit of stealing from them, the land, the olive trees, the water, and even soil, I do not blame Abbas for saying so. Who in their right minds will allow thieves into their territories?

      • oldgeezer
        February 16, 2016, 10:39 am

        He said no Israelis. Don’t conflate the two. They are not one and the same.

      • eljay
        February 16, 2016, 10:50 am

        || scott alexander: … Abbas has afterall said that no Jews would be allowed in. ||

        Except that he didn’t say that. According to jpost:

        “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands,” Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.

        Makes sense for Palestine to want Israelis out of Palestine.

        Makes no sense – unless you’re a “Jewish State” Zio-supremacist – for Israel to continue to refuse to allow Israelis (refugees) back into Israel.

  4. eljay
    February 14, 2016, 8:13 pm

    I hear that Israel isn’t quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

    • Kris
      February 14, 2016, 9:55 pm

      Quite right. Also, some Zionists aren’t quite as bad as the Nazis, and Netanyahu isn’t quite as bad as Hitler, or Pol Pot.

    • rugal_b
      February 15, 2016, 2:09 am

      Do you know there are more happy people per capita in those “hellholes” compared to the white supremacist-capitalist utopia of USA, Australia and Israel?

      • eljay
        February 15, 2016, 2:57 pm

        || a4tech rugal_b: Do you know there are more happy people per capita in those “hellholes” compared to the white supremacist-capitalist utopia of USA, Australia and Israel? ||

        I do not know this.

        So…you’re suggesting that the USA, Australia and Israel should strive to be more like Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”? Interesting.

      • Sibiriak
        February 16, 2016, 11:29 am

        rugal_b: Do you know there are more happy people per capita in those “hellholes”…. [emphasis added]
        ——————-

        You’re talking about cases of dissociative identity disorder (previously known as multiple personality disorder) ?

    • rugal_b
      February 16, 2016, 5:21 am

      “So…you’re suggesting that the USA, Australia and Israel should strive to be more like Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”? Interesting.” – Eljay

      Well, yes and no. I don’t believe you can strive for anything, because as a progressive Marxist, I hold the belief in determinism in human behavior. I.e. the racists in the USA and Israel cannot possibly become non-racists upon seeing the African “hellholes”, because that would invalidate all the physical laws of time and space that made them racists in the first place. A tiger cannot change its stripes, black guy can’t change his skin, etc.

      What I think should happen is, for the white supremacist system to change to become more inclusive and just for all of the individuals that reside within the system. The system should accommodate racists and white supremacists, while at the same time have mechanisms to ensure they do not hold positions of power that will negatively affect marginalized members of the system.

      • eljay
        February 16, 2016, 10:10 am

        || rugal_b: … I don’t believe you can strive for anything, because as a progressive Marxist, I hold the belief in determinism in human behavior. … A tiger cannot change its stripes, black guy can’t change his skin, etc. ||

        An omnivore can become a vegetarian; an alcoholic a teetotaller; a Christian an atheist; etc. Behaviours can change.

        || … What I think should happen is, for the white supremacist system to change to become more inclusive and just for all of the individuals that reside within the system. The system should accommodate racists and white supremacists, while at the same time have mechanisms to ensure they do not hold positions of power that will negatively affect marginalized members of the system. ||

        But you know this can’t happen. It would require the white supremacists whose system it is to relinquish control of their system and to marginalize themselves within it. Your belief in determinism in human behavior tells you that this is not possible.

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2016, 10:42 am

        “Well, yes and no. I don’t believe you can strive for anything, because as a progressive Marxist, I hold the belief in determinism in human behavior.”

        Me too! I’ve seen every one of their pictures, and know many of the routines by heart! However, “rugal b”, to be fair, I do not think you can lay claim to the scintillating appellation “progressive Marxist” without you have bought the Turner Classics colorized full box-set.

      • Mooser
        February 16, 2016, 11:00 am

        “What I think…/…The system should accommodate racists and white supremacists, while at the same time have mechanisms to ensure they do not hold positions of power that will negatively affect marginalized members of the system. “

        Don’t ban this guy! What if somebody gets sick, and needs to be medi-vaced (‘medical evacuation’) out by helicopter? His rotors are always spinning, and he’s ready to lift off!

      • rugal_b
        February 17, 2016, 12:20 pm

        Eljay, please educate yourself on what determinism is and the philosophy behind it, because the examples you put forward does not contradict any of my points. The universe and the space-time continuum does not implode and restart itself every time some guy decide to become a vegan or stop believing in religious dogma. The circumstances leading up to a person becoming a vegan or atheists or in the case of Trump supporters, racist white supremacists were set long before the person even came to be. Also, how does being a vegan or atheist change a person’s intrinsic qualities? If anything, it was the person’s predetermined intristic qualities that, in combination with external or circumstantial factors, led to the new diet or religious choice.

        The belief that a person can strive to become better is part of capitalist falsehoods. I mean, we wouldn’t expect a kid goat to strive to become a sheep or an apple tree to strive to give us orange fruit. Why would we expect a racist to strive to become a tolerant and humanistic person?

      • eljay
        February 17, 2016, 2:28 pm

        || rugal_b @ February 17, 2016, 12:20 pm ||

        OK, so what you’re saying is that behaviour is unchangeable…except for when it changes. Got it.

        You’re funny. :-)

      • Mooser
        February 17, 2016, 4:26 pm

        “The universe and the space-time continuum”

        Yes, yes, we get it, Dr. Pangloss. Everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds, and there’s not much we can do without ‘imploding’ the “universe and the space-time continuum”.

        So we’d best leave Israel alone, we will only make it worse. Sure, Dr. Pangloss. Whirled peace.

  5. tree
    February 15, 2016, 3:55 am

    One other caveat. Even a Jewish citizen of Israel is not allowed to live in Israel with a Palestinian spouse from the West Bank or Gaza. Both Neta Golan and Allegra Pacheco (both Jewish Israelis) are prohibited from living in Israel with their Palestinian spouses, and so they live with their spouses in the West Bank.

    Of course that too is illegal according to Israeli law. For example, Neta, as an Israeli Jew, is prohibited (by Israel) from entering “Area A” , where she lives in Ramallah with her Palestinian husband and their children, but the enforcement of that law is not as strict as the enforcement of the law prohibiting her husband from living with her in Israel. Its all a matter of maintaining the Jewish “purity” of Israel, so its considered much more important to limit the number of Palestinian citizens of Israel, regardless of the sanctity of marriage, or the desires of Israel’s citizens, even the Jewish ones.

    • tree
      February 15, 2016, 4:28 am

      And I just read an article from from 2013 Haaretz discussing the difficulties that a couple goes through getting permits and permanent residence status, not to mention citizenship, for foreign non-Jewish partners of Jewish Israelis. It appears to be worse for non-white spouses, but even Western European non-Jewish spouses face long waits and a daunting amount of what seems to be totally irrelevant and sometimes non-existent paperwork.

      An excerpt:

      Could the process of granting status to foreigners in Israel be considered racist? The previous interior minister never concealed his opinion that preserving the Jewish character of the country comes first; we have yet to hear the opinion of his successor, Gideon Sa’ar.

      Feller says the answer is complicated. “Israel isn’t the only country whose laws give preference to a specific ethnic group for returning to the country and granting status. Israel is exceptional in that that’s the only policy it has. This leads to a much broader question, namely is the Law of Return racist, and entire books have already written about it.”

      At the same time, the lawyer adds, “Clearly the Interior Ministry makes things difficult, it doesn’t want them here. It sees itself as a watchman at the gate that makes sure there will be as few non-Jews here as possible.”

      Elam: “I once asked someone who was on the side of the Interior Ministry why the ministry often refuses to compromise, even if the judge has clarified that he will rule against it. He replied that what interests the Interior Ministry is time: ‘If the process is supposed to last seven years and it lasts 10, we’ve gained three years. Maybe the couple will give up.’ I know couples who do. ‘Enough, we’re sick of it,’ they say, ‘there’s no more money.’”

      Says A., a former senior official in the population authority who maintains ties to the ministry to this day: “My feeling is that [former Minister] Eli Yishai couldn’t get the policy he wanted: not to accept non-Jews at all. The Justice Ministry wouldn’t have allowed him to do that. So he determined policy by not determining policy. It’s very easy to come to a branch office at the population authority and to tell them what you want, even without determining policy.”
      And when there’s no policy, he adds, “the interpretation is very broad. There’s no consistent policy … and every official asks himself: ‘If I’m lenient, what happens? I’m likely to make a mistake. On the other hand, if I don’t approve it, will it be transferred to a higher authority?’ An employee who earns a minuscule salary sees 20 people a day and is responsible for their fate. Everything goes to the legal office of the population authority, which determines policy, in effect.”

      “The very fact that I get this runaround − not because my partner is not Israeli but because of his religion − is intolerable,” sums up Ilana. “After all, if he were Jewish he would make aliyah, receive citizenship, money, rights, and that’s the end of the story. Even if the grandmother of his sister’s aunt was Jewish in the distant past − if you have a paper to prove that, that’s it. Many countries have immigration quotas, but the emphasis on religion here is what makes this process so racist. Racism that is directed at anyone who isn’t Jewish − and at me, too, because I’m the one who brought a non-Jew to the State of Israel.”

      read more: link to haaretz.com

      • scott alexander
        February 15, 2016, 3:12 pm

        Israel is a Jewish state, so I guess that limits who can live there right off the bat. No doubt the more it’s immediate neighbors stop murdering Jews and recognize Israel’s right to exist, the state will be more welcoming to others.

      • eljay
        February 15, 2016, 9:00 pm

        || scott alexander: Israel is a Jewish state … ||

        Israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, belligerent, intransigent, nuclear-armed and religion-supremacist state, yes.

        || … so I guess that limits who can live there right off the bat. … ||

        Zio-supremacists wouldn’t have it any other way.

        || … No doubt the more it’s immediate neighbors stop murdering Jews and recognize Israel’s right to exist, the state will be more welcoming to others. ||

        1. As long as Israel remains a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”, there’s much doubt that it will be more welcoming to non-Jews.

        2. The existence of Israel is recognized.

        3. The existence of religion-supremacist “Jewish State” should not be recognized. No state has a right to exist as any type of supremacist state and no-one should be expected or required to recognize or accept such a state.

        4. Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and murdering Palestinians for almost 70 years. Blowback sucks. Aggressor-victimhood is a tough gig. :-(

      • Kay24
        February 15, 2016, 9:59 pm

        @s.alexander “No doubt the more it’s immediate neighbors stop murdering Jews and recognize Israel’s right to exist, the state will be more welcoming to others.”

        Jews must use their God given intelligence and wonder why their neighbors feel like murdering them….can it be a because of provocation by decades long military occupation, blockades, land theft for world condemned illegal settlements? How about the Jews (the occupier) recognizing the Palestinians RIGHT TO EXIST? How can the Jews expect those they occupy and massacre to acknowledge any rights of their tormenters? The Jews have no right to decide whether their neighbors should be held in open prisons, no freedom or rights, while their lands gets stolen.

        Any sensible unbiased person can get that.

  6. Ossinev
    February 15, 2016, 6:42 am

    If you want further clear evidence that Zionist Israelis are really a loveable cuddly horribly victimised people who are a light unto the nations watch this video on Haaretz:
    link to haaretz.com

    Fascist thugs.

  7. kalithea
    February 15, 2016, 12:04 pm

    This is population/demographic control pure and simple. This is similar to the birth control forced on black refugee women entering Israel only more underhanded.

    Israel is a supremacist state trying to control genetic purity under the guise of religious purity.

    Israel is trying to discourage and frustrate normal family life and the demographic expansion of Palestinians by putting all kinds of obstacles in their way.

    Can it be clearer? Ethnic cleansing can be performed in several ways: illegal settlement, forced dispossession, cyclical massacres with sophisticated weaponry causing mass destruction of life and infra-structure in heavily populated areas and of course this kind of demographic control and extreme movement restrictions.

    Supremacist crap, war crimes and a crime against humanity all in full view.

  8. Ossinev
    February 15, 2016, 1:28 pm

    In view of the IDF`s sensitive treatment of non-Jews in wheelchairs disabled non – Jewish foreigners considering a visit to the Land of Creation should perhaps think again. Certainly non-Jewish disabled sports people should give up on the idea of visiting to take part in competitions just in case a passing hungover IDF thug lashes out and knocks them over. And perhaps individual Western nation disabled sports organisations should reconsider invitations to Israel to take part in disabled sports competitions which they host.

    link to haaretz.com

    I seem to recall that Hitler and Co also took a dim view of disabled people ?

  9. kalithea
    February 15, 2016, 2:04 pm

    One more point: If a state tries to frustrate the union between a Jew and an Arab or a Jewish man and a women of another religious persuasion what they’re really doing is subverting democracy as well. Because 9 times out of 10, and perhaps even 10, the family conceived by this union will vote against segregation, against genetic and/or religious purity and vote with those who embrace diversity.

    Zionism is so fragile it requires the structures of injustice, military oppression and fascism to secure it.

    So in good conscience, besides the fact that it has supremacy written all over it; is it worth it?

  10. scott alexander
    February 15, 2016, 2:56 pm

    “… despite the restrictions imposed by Israel’s policies that systematically discriminate and segregate Palestinians. ”

    The Arabs bear a lot of responsibility for whatever restrictions are imposed on them

    • Kay24
      February 15, 2016, 10:06 pm

      Wow blaming the victims of a brutal occupation. Typical lame hasbara response.

      Let’s go back in time and look at another disgusting scenario:

      “Propaganda: “The Jews Are Our Misfortune”
      A major tool of the Nazis’ propaganda assault was the weekly Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer (The Attacker). At the bottom of the front page of each issue, in bold letters, the paper proclaimed, “The Jews are our misfortune!” Der Stürmer also regularly featured cartoons of Jews in which they were caricatured as hooked-nosed and ape­like. The influence of the newspaper was far-reaching: by 1938 about a half million copies were distributed weekly.”

      link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      Yeah, blaming the victims, an old filthy habit.

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