‘Her absurd generals, her military junk’ — Daniel Berrigan’s prophetic speech on Israel in ’73

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I believe this is called a drive-by shooting. The New York Times devotes a whole page or so to an obituary of the great Daniel Berrigan, the Catholic priest who died yesterday in NY at 94. But this is paragraph 39:

After visiting the Middle East, he bluntly accused Israel of “militarism” and the “domestic repressions” of Palestinians. His remarks angered many American Jews. “Let us call this by its right name,” wrote Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg, himself a contentious figure among religious scholars: “old-fashioned theological anti-Semitism.”

The Boston Globe, too.

Father Berrigan’s involvement with politics did not end with his release from prison. He drew widespread criticism for a 1973 speech denouncing Israel.

Sadly the Times did not quote from the speech in any fair measure. Here is the NYT’s coverage of Berrigan’s speech to the Association of Arab University Graduates in Washington 1973. The Times article came out two months after the speech, when Jewish organizations had made it controversial, and sought to have Berrigan stripped of honors for the remarks; after they were printed in a publication of the Clergy and Laity Concerned group.

The speech was an antiwar statement that denounced Israel as a military settler state in the same moral basket as the United States, which was pursuing an imperial adventure in Vietnam.

Quotes in that New York Times PDF include Berrigan’s view that Israel was, like the United States and South Africa, “seeking a biblical justification for crimes against humanity.”

The world had known criminal Christian communities, he said, but “we had never known a criminal Jewish community.” In the wake of the Holocaust, the “Jews arose like warriors, armed to the teeth… Israel entered the imperial adventure.”

A similar racist ideology to Nazism was creating “the myth of the barbarian Arab.”

It was a tragedy, Berrigan said, that

in place of Jewish prophetic vision, Israel should launch an Orwellian nightmare of double talk, racism, fifth-rate sociological jargon, aimed at proving its racial superiority to the people it has crushed. …

Israel has not abolished poverty and misery; rather she manufactures human waste, the byproducts of her entrepreneurs. the military-industrial complex. Israel has not freed the captives, she has expanded the prison system, perfected her espionage, exported on the world market that expensive blood-ridden commodity, the savage triumph of the technologized West, violence and the tools of violence.

Her absurd generals, her military junk are paraded on national holidays before the narcotized public. The model is not the kingdom of peace, it is an Orwellian transplant, taken bodily from Big Brother’s bloody heart.

Berrigan said that were he a Jew in Israel, he would be living as he did in the U.S., in resistance to the state and being hunted by the police or in prison.

Berrigan also signaled the corruption of the Jewish establishment in order to lobby the U.S. government in the Vietnam era: “major American Jewish leaders were capable of ignoring Asia’s holocaust in favor of economic and military aid to Israel.”

Here is the JTA’s coverage at the time:

The 52-year-old Jesuit priest who served 27 months in Danbury Federal Penitentiary for burning draft records in Catonsville, Md. in 1968, attacked Israel as an “imperialist nation” and a “settler” state” which is “the creation of an elite of millionaires, generals and entrepreneurs.”..

Among the charges Berrigan made against Israel before the Arab graduates was that “she had turned the law of nature into a mockery, creating ghettos, disenfranchised peoples, exiles, hopeless minorities, cheap labor forces has expanded the prison system, perfected her espionage, exported on the world market that expensive blood ridden commodity, the savage triumph of the technological West–violence and the tools of violence.” In an interview published today in the NY Post, Berrigan was quoted as reaffirming his condemnation of Israel and saying he “was very depressed by the silence of my own church about Israel.” He denied, however, that he was anti-Semitic. “I’m as anti-Semitic as I am anti-Catholic, the Jesuit priest was quoted as saying.

That article quotes Jewish leaders calling for Berrigan’s reeducation.

In his book, Middle East Illusions, Noam Chomsky takes Berrigan’s side and describes Hertzberg’s characterization of Berrigan’s speech as “fabrication,” including Hertzberg’s claim that Berrigan sought the end of Israel. Berrigan called on Arab leaders to show “de facto respect for Israel, a de facto state,” and said that American Jews had expressed an “acute and legitimate concern for Israel.” Chomsky points out that Hertzberg regards Arab concerns about Palestinian refugees as “moral hysterics,” and Chomsky savages Hertzberg’s claim that Israel’s acceptance of Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union and Arab countries was an example of the “Jewish passion for the poor and forgotten.” In fact, Chomsky says, it was evidence of the Zionists’ need to build a Jewish state on an ethnocentric basis.

It’s a pity that the New York Times doesn’t explain that Berrigan’s critique of Israel was equally harsh to his criticism of the United States at the time; and more important, that it was prophetic.

 

 

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  1. pabelmont
    May 1, 2016, 12:21 pm

    Thank you, Phil. It really is refreshing to learn that people of consuming conscience have, sometimes, applied that conscience not only to USA but also to South Africa and Israel. The mention of the biblical justification for war crimes by those three countries is valuable.

    Nowadays many such people are afraid to criticize Israel for fear of the “antisemitic” accusation. Was that happening already at that time, 1973

    • Citizen
      May 1, 2016, 12:37 pm

      Thanks, Phil. Needed reminder coverage of a great humanist.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      May 2, 2016, 11:48 am

      Dan’s death is a tremendous loss. The Berrigan’s were part of my generation and gave us courage to organize and speak out against the Vietnam War. His courage to speak the truth lives on in all of us who resist , denounce Zionist Israel as a terrorist state and cry out for the end of the occupation. Israel MUST be criticized for it is not a Democracy but a racist apartheid monstrosity. It is not and will never be anti-Semitic to criticize Zionist Israel. Beautiful article Phil.

    • Misterioso
      May 2, 2016, 6:37 pm

      The wise words of Uri Avnery, renowned Jewish Israeli journalist and former member of the Knesset, come to mind:

      “Many good people, who feel no hatred at all towards the Jews, but who detest the persecution of the Palestinians, are now called anti-Semites. Thus, the sting is taken out of this word, giving it something approaching respectability…. Not only does Israel not protect Jews from anti-Semitism, but quite to the contrary – Israel manufactures and exports it around the world.”

  2. Citizen
    May 1, 2016, 12:43 pm

    President Johnson traded the ship & crew of the USS Liberty for Jewish support of his war in Vietnam. He also cut off JFK’s intent to stop Israel from getting the bomb.

  3. hophmi
    May 1, 2016, 3:22 pm

    Of course, what Berrigan’s speech shows is that the radical left has always had a yen for Arab dictators, and that has led to its absorption of the antisemitism that pervades Arab societies.

    It’s also interesting that you leave out Berrigan’s anti-Arab racism. Berrigan claimed that Arabs have a “capacity for deception.” By Berrigan’s logic, the other states in the Middle East constituted “criminal Muslim communities.”

    And of course, the speech is the same brand of ignorant ridicuousness we often hear from the radical left about Israel. In 1973, Israel was still basically a socialist state; Berrigan claims that it had not yet dealt with poverty and misery. American Jews were active in the antiwar movement; Berrigan called out American Jews to an audience doubtless primed to believe the worst about Jews.

    But typically, Mondoweiss defends this kind of extreme speech, which calls Israeli Jews and American Jewish leaders criminal.

    • Edward Q
      May 1, 2016, 4:42 pm

      “Of course, what Berrigan’s speech shows is that the radical left has always had a yen for Arab dictators”

      Why would the left have a “yen” for Arab dictators? Does that sound like a position that makes sense for leftist doctrine? Instead of addressing Berrigan’s accusations you make a straw man argument.

      “…you leave out Berrigan’s anti-Arab racism”

      Wow– a Zionist all of a sudden concerned about anti-Arab racism.

    • neggy
      May 1, 2016, 4:46 pm

      It’s no surprise that a Jesuit would be a.) subversive or b.) anti-Jewish. That was the whole point of the organization in England during the 16th and 17th centuries and a reason why Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange worked so hard to stamp them out. They were Catholic imperialists working to establish or reestablish Papist imperium over the whole of Europe. The Jesuits are one of the oldest imperialist tentacles of the presumptuous “universal Church”.

      Why else do you think the Romish church is so adamant about expanding the so-called ” European Union”?

      • Mooser
        May 1, 2016, 10:10 pm

        “It’s no surprise that a Jesuit would be a.) subversive or b.) anti-Jewish. That was the whole point of the organization”

        Leshana haba’ah b’Yerushalayim, “Neggy”! That’s the whole point of our organization!

        “Why do you think the Romish church…”

        And remember, “Neggy”, nobody is allowed to say anything worse about Jews here than what we say about others, or each other.

      • John O
        May 2, 2016, 2:59 am

        Reading neggy’s short history of the Catholic Church in England, I am reminded of the old joke about the airline captain announcing to his passengers, “We are about to land in Belfast. Please set your watches back 300 years.”

        I now await with interest the Pope’s intervention in the referendum on British membership of the “so-called” European Union.

      • lysias
        May 2, 2016, 3:45 pm

        So Pope Francis, who is a Jesuit, is a “Catholic imperialist”?

        Funny thing, when I was attending a Jesuit high school, that wasn’t the impression I got of the Jesuit teachers.

      • David Gerald Fincham
        May 3, 2016, 6:23 am

        What is the correct name for what I so ignorantly call the “European Union”?

      • oldgeezer
        May 3, 2016, 8:27 am

        @neggy

        Romish? How revealing. I assume you are quite happy when people use the derogatory term for Jewish. Nah you’re probably a cheap common bigot.

      • Theo
        May 4, 2016, 9:30 am

        It is called Roman Catholic Church in english, Römisch in german, etc.
        Romish is not proper.

    • echinococcus
      May 1, 2016, 5:15 pm

      Berrigan’s anti-Arab racism

      Well, well, if it isn’t again the Official Grand Wizard of the Last Officially and Proudly Racist State who speaks of what he knoweth not.

      • hophmi
        May 2, 2016, 8:01 am

        So you agree with Berrigan that Arabs are deceptive people?

      • talknic
        May 2, 2016, 9:24 am

        @ hophmi

        “So you agree with Berrigan that Arabs are deceptive people?”

        By what non-existent path do you reach your bizarre conclusion?

    • Mooser
      May 2, 2016, 1:43 am

      “But typically, Mondoweiss defends this kind of extreme speech, which calls Israeli Jews and American Jewish leaders criminal.”

      Oh heavens, “extreme speech”! Isn’t that against the law? Or is it antisemitic?

      Gosh, it always hurts me when I see a guy so beaten down by persecution he is reduced to feeling entitled to control how people speak. Bigotry sure leaves a mark.

    • eljay
      May 2, 2016, 9:03 am

      || hophmi: But typically, Mondoweiss defends this kind of extreme speech, which calls Israeli Jews and American Jewish leaders criminal. ||

      If by “Israeli Jews and American Jewish leaders” you mean hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists who for decades have been advocating, justifying, excusing and defending…
      – Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremaicst “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      – related past and on-going oppression, occupation, colonization, destruction, murder, intransigence and sundry (war) crimes,
      …there’s nothing remotely “extreme” about calling them criminal.

    • Don
      May 2, 2016, 11:45 am

      Hophmi old buddy…in spite of Yakov Hirsch providing, just a few days ago, a textbook lesson on how to document, so to speak, an argument, you never seem to do the same.
      Could you please provide some evidence of Berrigan’s antiArab racism?

      I spent about 90 seconds googling the two words, “Berrigan” and “Arabs”, and the closest I could seem to find to his anti-Arab racism was this…

      James Zogby ’67 Ph.D., founder of the Arab American Institute, and a graduate…OMG!!!…of a Jesuit College…giving the …you guessed it Hophmi…the BERRIGAN LECTURE, just a few days ago…at his alma mater (LeMoyne College).

      Pardon my scepticism, but about that evidence of Berrigan’s racism…could you provide just a teensy weensy bit of it?

      • hophmi
        May 3, 2016, 10:08 am

        “Could you please provide some evidence of Berrigan’s antiArab racism?”

        Read the Times article. Berrigan castigated Arabs for their “capacity for deception.”

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      May 2, 2016, 11:57 am

      Hophmi, how little you understand as you vilify one of our greatest human rights activists. Israel was never a socialist state. Socialism is not apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Of course Israel wanted the world to see the myths they created.

      • hophmi
        May 3, 2016, 10:10 am

        “Hophmi, how little you understand as you vilify one of our greatest human rights activists. ”

        How willing you are to lionize a person who claimed that Arabs have a “capacity for deception.”

        “please post the context of the quote if you’re using it to substantiate an allegation of racism.”

        Are you incapable of opening the link that Phil provided to the NY Times coverage of Berrigan’s speech? It’s right in there.

    • Annie Robbins
      May 2, 2016, 1:09 pm

      Berrigan claimed that Arabs have a “capacity for deception.”

      everyone has a “capacity for deception”. please post the context of the quote if you’re using it to substantiate an allegation of racism.

      • K Renner
        May 3, 2016, 1:53 pm

        And…. crickets.

        It always is “funny” to see people who belong to a group notorious for its extreme hatred of the Palestinians, “the Arabs”, and indeed any and all non-Jews from the Greater Middle East try and pretend that they care about “anti-Arab racism” in any form.

        I really don’t get, in light of the reality of people like him, what he’s trying to go for here.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        May 3, 2016, 5:12 pm

        The NYT report of Kerrigan’s speech says he castigated “the Arabs” for their “capacity for deception” and also for their “contempt for their own poor.” This context makes clear that he was referring not to Arabs in general but to wealthy and powerful Arabs. To be sure we would need a full transcript of the original speech, but probably the phrase “the Arabs” is a misleading paraphrase by a sloppy journalist. Hardly a basis for the charge of “anti-Arab racism.”

      • gamal
        May 3, 2016, 5:36 pm

        “The NYT report of Kerrigan’s speech says he castigated “the Arabs” for their “capacity for deception” and also for their “contempt for their own poor.” This context makes clear that he was referring not to Arabs in general but to wealthy and powerful Arabs.”

        +1 perfectly stated

        I read Hophmi’s link, he is pitiably stupid it in no way supports his contention, he is the tort embodied, the Tortfeasor.

    • gamal
      May 2, 2016, 2:23 pm

      “Berrigan’s anti-Arab racism”

      may be that crypto Arab Frank Maria (A search for justice and peace in the middle east) had him fooled, please consult p.439-440 at link, where a D. Berrigan discusses racism. Somehow Hoph what you say seems implausible.

      https://books.google.ie/books?id=nwsvhw1wLgkC&pg=RA1-PA437&lpg=RA1-PA437&dq=berrigan+arabs&source=bl&ots=qR849Bi1qe&sig=3e-PauSHW4IRKxeEiRW-NYbsg3c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLn82w-rvMAhVpIMAKHfDNCQ44ChDoAQgmMAI#v=onepage&q=berrigan%20arabs&f=false

      “Why else do you think the Romish church is so adamant about expanding the so-called ” European Union”?”

      yes neg the shit, like entropy, just gets weirder and weirder.

    • Misterioso
      May 2, 2016, 6:44 pm

      “…the antisemitism that pervades Arab societies. ”

      Do not confuse entirely justified anti-Zionism with racist anti-Semitism.

      Rabbi Sassoon Kehdouri, Iraq’s Chief Rabbi for 48 years, speaking before the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry on Palestine: “Iraqi Jews will be forever against Zionism. Jews and Arabs have enjoyed the same rights and privileges for a thousand years and do not regard themselves as a distinctive separate part of this nation.”

      Chaim Weizmann, Israel’s first president, also addressing the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry: “I would not like to do any injustice. The Muslim world has treated the Jews with considerable tolerance. The Ottoman Empire [of which the Arabs were a major part] received the Jews with open arms when they were driven out of Spain and Europe, and the Jews should never forget that.”

      Albert Einstein, 1939: “There could be no greater calamity than a permanent discord between us and the Arab people…. Let us recall that in former times no people lived in greater friendship with us.”

      • m1945
        May 2, 2016, 7:50 pm

        In June 1941, Iraqis murdered around 180 Jews in Baghdad and other cities (the exact figure is not known); 242 children were orphaned, scores of women raped, hundreds wounded, 900 homes and 586 Jewish-owned shops were looted.

        The British consul wrote in the 1840’s that the Jews of Jerusalem lived in fear for their lives because of the “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace”

    • K Renner
      May 3, 2016, 12:21 pm

      @Hasbara whiner:

      ” Of course, what Berrigan’s speech shows is that the radical left has always had a yen for Arab dictators, and that has led to its absorption of the antisemitism that pervades Arab societies. ”

      Of course, what we see here is more typically disingenuous and fact-free whinging from someone whose main goal in life is to try and poo-poo anyone who criticizes the “Jewish state” even slightly.

      I’m no far leftist, but your first claim is nothing but slanderous and by no means something that can be substantiated.

      Your second claim is even more fact-free and another ugly attempt at slander.

      I know that Hasbarats try and portray “the Arabs” as “worse then hitler” but it’s clear that “anti-Semitism in Arab societies” couldn’t hold a candle to what ultimately came to a head in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s.

      Relentless Zionist and Jewish demonization of “the Arabs” leaves it impossible to take you seriously in the least, to say the least. Mischaracterization of the understandable antipathy towards Israel and Zionism amongst the Palestinians and the Lebanese as “hatred of Jews for being Jewish” only makes your standing even worse.

      ” It’s also interesting that you leave out Berrigan’s anti-Arab racism. Berrigan claimed that Arabs have a “capacity for deception.” By Berrigan’s logic, the other states in the Middle East constituted “criminal Muslim communities.” ”

      Sounds like something you’d laud him for– if that’s the case that he said that, you’d think he’d have been good friends with Zionist Jews around the globe.

      ” And of course, the speech is the same brand of ignorant ridicuousness we often hear from the radical left about Israel. In 1973, Israel was still basically a socialist state; Berrigan claims that it had not yet dealt with poverty and misery.”

      It’s the opposite of ignorant or ridiculous. Berrigan was of course referring to the comparative (and state approved) poverty and misery of Palestinians in Israel, especially in comparison to the Jewish and Zionist population.

      “. American Jews were active in the antiwar movement; Berrigan called out American Jews to an audience doubtless primed to believe the worst about Jews. ”

      These very same Jews seemed to have no problem with the war created and imposed on the Palestinians by people who claimed to speak for all Jews.

      American Jews deserved to be chewed out then, and it’s even more the case now. All the whining and squealing of “it was anti-Semitic” by some dopey little propagator of hasbara lies in the world isn’t going to change that fact.

      ” But typically, Mondoweiss defends this kind of extreme speech, which calls Israeli Jews and American Jewish leaders criminal.”

      Yawn. Hysteria and your histrionics otherwise, as I’ve already said, won’t change the facts.

      But typically, the resident Palestinian-hating hasbara troll attempts to scream “bigotry” like the awful hypocrite that he is.

      So pathetic.

  4. Edward Q
    May 1, 2016, 4:34 pm

    Wow, what an uncompromising speech, and in 1973 no less. This makes me curious if Berrigan continued to work on the Palestine issue. Was he silenced?

    • Marnie
      May 2, 2016, 1:02 am

      “That article quotes Jewish leaders calling for Berrigan’s reeducation. ” AKA the silencing treatment? Reeducation sounds quite ominous, like reeducation camps of Pol Pot and this was way before the reeducation center in Guantanamo Bay so what happened to people Jewish leaders called out for reeducation?

      What a speech though and in 1973. A rebel with a cause who fought alone because no one else had the heart.

  5. Kathleen
    May 1, 2016, 11:35 pm

    The Berrigan brothers had a huge influence on millions of us who were growing up Catholic and focused on pro justice and human rights They along with Dorothy Day, Thomas Mertao. Dorothy Stang and many of the Notre Dame nuns I grew up with daily in my life walked the talk of peace and justice.

    He certainly nailed down the MO of Israel early on.

    A great and honorable man. He lived and breathed what was good about the Catholic Church He set the bar for compassion high.

    • Mooser
      May 2, 2016, 1:49 am

      “The Berrigan brothers…bar for compassion high”

      That was wonderful, “Kathleen”. Thanks.

  6. Qualtrough
    May 2, 2016, 1:40 am

    Hopfmi claims that Berrigan, like the radical left, had a ‘yen for Arab dictators’, yet in the next paragraph we learn from Hopfmi that Berrigan was anti-Arab. Interesting. Given the pronounced deterioration in the quality of his/her arguments I sometimes wonder if someone else is posting as Hopfmi.

    • K Renner
      May 3, 2016, 12:23 pm

      @Qualtrough

      Like all “defenders of the JEWISH STATE!!!!” all he’s got is boring babble, wild accusations, and hypocrisy.

      Stands to reason that he’s going to contradict himself in some regard in the line of duty spewing his nonsense and his rhetoric.

  7. Rodneywatts
    May 2, 2016, 5:58 am

    So glad to have found time to read this piece, Phil, and thank you for telling me about an important man I previously was totally ignorant about. As a UK citizen in 1973, active in anti-apartheid and in race relations, particularly on the ground in England’s second city of Birmingham, I am sure my ignorance can be forgiven.
    I am slightly emotional at the moment, having just received genetic confirmation of what has long been suspected that my father’s father was a Jew. Sadly grandmother was unable to look after dad, who was taken into care and then fostered by a lovely family in Devon (the county where Ilan Pappé now resides). Also grandmother met an untimely end at the hands of a gangster, so the thoughts of man’s inhumanity to man readily come to me.
    As one who seeks to follow Jesus of Nazareth , like Rev Berrigan, who taught forgiveness and treating all, including ‘enemies’, with love and compassion, there are times when I do find it difficult to maintain this teaching. However, I choose to forgive in my personal encounters, and see it importantant to join with all people who desire to see peace, justice and reconcilliation in I/P or, indeed, anywhere.

    • David Gerald Fincham
      May 3, 2016, 8:36 am

      Rodney, I am so pleased to have met a like-minded fellow Brummy so far from home. I was born in 1944; it seems that the Israel-Palestine conflict has been a background to my whole life. I am afraid I may die before it is solved. That is why I support Mondoweiss. Only pressure from the USA can bring Israel to heel, and that won’t happen until the American public have a better understanding of the real truths of the I/P situation. Mondoweiss is making a huge contribution to this. I hope we meet again here soon.

      • Rodneywatts
        May 3, 2016, 3:34 pm

        David, what a really pleasant surprise! Now my two lads are real Brummies, but I came to Brum from Devon in 1959 to study chemistry at U of B, and stayed for about 22 years. Undoubtedly my days there and the formation of many friendships in the Jewish, Christian and other communities was foundational in the moulding of the person I am today. God bless Birmingham! At the moment I live up in Co Durham, but we are looking to end our days in Cornwall. I absolutely concur with what you have
        said. Also, you have saved me putting a similar comment to the one you have put to m1945 regarding the Yom Kippur war, which coincided with Ramadan that year.

  8. Vera Gottlieb
    May 2, 2016, 8:33 am

    How much more pain is israel going to cause? How much longer is israel going to live in denial?

    • Mooser
      May 3, 2016, 2:25 pm

      “How much more pain is israel going to cause? How much longer is israel going to live in denial?”

      I’m sure that if Jews throughout the world, organized as such, repudiated and actively opposed Zionism, it would have a tremendous effect.

  9. Boo
    May 2, 2016, 11:45 am

    There aren’t many left like Dan Berrigan. He put himself in the path of the war machine many times and paid the price for it, but he never backed off or let up. I remember how he and Phil took on the Vietnam warmongers back in the day — fearlessly and with disregard for the personal consequences to themselves. He will be missed.

    Although “junk” didn’t have its more recent meaning back in ’73, to this very day, Israel is still obscenely flashing its junk in public.

  10. lysias
    May 2, 2016, 3:47 pm

    Berrigan saw the truth about Israel much sooner than I did. Prophetic indeed.

  11. m1945
    May 2, 2016, 7:44 pm

    The speech was about 2 weeks after the start of the Yom Kippur War.
    3 Arab countries had attacked Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.
    Where was the denunciation of the 3 Arab leaders who with forethought & premeditation committed an act of aggression?
    What saved Israel from being destroyed were ‘her absurd generals, her military junk’.

    Also, where was the denunciation of China who invaded Tibet & sent in millions of settlers?
    Also, where was the denunciation of Turkey who invaded Cyrus?
    Where was the denunciation of Turkish setters in Cyprus?
    Also, where was the denunciation of Morocco’s occupation of Western Sahara?
    Why did he single out Israel?

    • eljay
      May 3, 2016, 7:25 am

      || m1945: … Also, where was the denunciation of China who invaded Tibet & sent in millions of settlers? Also, where was the denunciation of Turkey who invaded Cyrus? Where was the denunciation of Turkish setters in Cyprus? Also, where was the denunciation of Morocco’s occupation of Western Sahara? Why did he single out Israel? ||

      When people protest against China or Turkey or Morocco – or Islamic State or Syria or Saudi Arabia – do you denounce them for “singling out” those countries and failing to include Israel in their protests?

      I didn’t think so. Hypocrite.

    • hophmi
      May 3, 2016, 10:13 am

      Because there’s long been an alliance between Arab leaders in the Middle East and the radical left. It’s one reason why Ramsey Clark asked Lynn Stewart to defend Sheikh Rahman after WTC I.

      • K Renner
        May 3, 2016, 12:26 pm

        @Hasbara whiner:

        There’s long been an alliance, particularly in Europe, between the rabidly pro-Israel elements of the Jewish population, and people who could only be described as “Nazis” in terms of their views on non-Jews from the Middle East, Slavs, and of course the Roma people.

        Apparently racially minded fascists who want to ethnically and religiously “cleanse” Europe of “subhumans” are kosher provided they hold forth on how they “love Jews and Israel”. That seems to be the shield these parties hide behind, with the blessing of the rabidly pro-Israel elements in question.

      • Mooser
        May 3, 2016, 12:28 pm

        “Because there’s long been…/…Lynn Stewart…WTC1”

        Of course! Why didn’t I see that?

      • bryan
        May 3, 2016, 3:01 pm

        Hophmi – I’m getting sick of you generalising about Arabs and Leftists in this stereotypical fashion. If you want to complain about Rightists maligning Jews, you had better set a bit of a better example. (:-))

      • WH
        May 4, 2016, 3:07 am

        Actually, there has been a long-standing and region-defining alliance between imperial powerbrokers (first the British, then increasingly he Americans) and Arab ‘leaders’ (or rather dictators). Saudi Arabia was created for self-serving reasons by the British in full knowledge of Ibn Saud’s barbarism, and went on to become one of America’s greatest and most disgusting allies.

      • Theo
        May 4, 2016, 9:25 am

        K Renner

        Just recently in Germany the AfD, a new conservative party, won huge number of voters, due to their position on this unlimited migration into the country, over 1 million just in 2015!
        The Jewish Central Committee issued a statement, that they are against and strongly oppose such a conservative political trend. On the other hand, they never ever criticised Israel and its bloody handed politicians, it seems the same direction of political views are perfectly OK when it is done by jews. Hypocrats!

    • David Gerald Fincham
      May 3, 2016, 10:51 am

      Egypt and Syria attacked Israel in an attempt to recover their sovereign territories, Sinai and Golan, which Israel had been occupying since 1967.

      • Kay24
        May 3, 2016, 11:05 am

        What’s with Israel and its greed to take over lands and other resources that does NOT belong to them, by crooked means? They lie and use all the lame excuses just to justify this rather ugly habit. Begging diaspora Jews from all corners of the world, even India, to come to the land of plenty, is party of this master plan…..when it coms to UN laws, they can say “oy vey, where can we send these (illegal) settlers if we give back the land?” Devious eh?

    • bryan
      May 3, 2016, 2:45 pm

      This hasbara boiler-plate that you are cutting and pasting is so incredibly feeble that you should be utterly embarrassed reciting it.

      “3 Arab countries had attacked Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar”

      (1) “3 Arab countries attacked”. Egypt and Syria attacked. Jordan did not intervene until well into the second week of the war (and certainly not “on the holiest day”), and then only as a face-saving measure. As Ha’aretz later reported: “declassified U.S. documents show that the Jordanian participation was only a token to preserve King Hussein’s status in the Arab world. The documents reveal that Israel and Jordan had a tacit understanding that the Jordanian units would try to stay out of the fighting and Israel would try to not attack them” See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Jordanian_participation

      (2) “attacked Israel” – no the attack was not on the State of Israel, but on Syrian and Egyptian territory that Israel had occupied in the 1967 war, and was refusing to hand back.

      (3) “on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar”; a day that well over 99% of the world’s population does not observe. That year the holy month of Ramadan coincided with Yom Kippur, but so what? Did the occupation stop on that day or has it stopped in the almost 50 Yom Kippur days since it started? Why should Moslems respect such a holy day when it only brings disruption and closures to their everyday lives? See http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3308989,00.html Does the IDF desist from attacking Palestinians on their holy days? See http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/12/world/middleeast/for-gazans-a-tense-and-somber-ramadan.html?_r=0

      “What saved Israel from being destroyed were ‘her absurd generals, her military junk”

      (4) Nothing saved “Israel from being destroyed” because nothing threatened Israel. Israel had massive support from US politicians like Henry Kissinger, and indeed from the entire political establishment which, for instance, had conspired to cover up an Israeli attack on the USS Liberty six years earlier. The US (and Britain and France) had supplied Israel with leading edge military equipment, especially tanks and aircraft, that ensured that whilst Egyptian forces could break out over the Suez Canal they could only make limited advances beyond that because of the necessity of remaining within a SAM missile shield. Whilst the failures of Israeli military intelligence in anticipating the attack were a deep embarrassment, the basis of the assessment (that Israel need not fear an Arab attack on her soil) were proven correct.

      “Also, where was the denunciation of Turkey who invaded Cyrus? [sic – perhaps you meant Cyprus, or were you off on an anti-Persian rant?]

      (5 )(a) Turkish intervention in Cyprus was to some extent justified. Britain ceded independence to Cyprus on the basis of a Treaty of Guarantee, under which Britain, Turkey and Greece guaranteed the independence of the new state. However following the establishment of a military junta in Athens, demands rose for the union of Greece and Cyprus, and a 1974 coup by the Cyprus National Guard deposed President Makarios and installed Nikos Sampson, an advocate of Enosis or union with Greece, and Greek militias threatened the ethnic cleansing of the north. The Turkish PM sought joint action with Britain to maintain the island’s independence, but when this was not forthcoming Turkey took unilateral action to protect the Turkish Cypriot population, (facing ethnic-cleansing and hemmed into enclaves by Greek nationalists) by invading the north, pending peace talks.

      (b) If you have failed to find any denunciation of Turkish action, why not look at the UN General Assembly resolution of 1983 which (after many years of attempted complex negotiations, finally failed) demanded the withdrawal of Turkish occupation forces. Or, following a unilateral Declaration of Independence by the north, a UN SC resolution, later that year, condemning Turkish recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Or consider that to this very day Turkey is the only state that recognises the TRNC, and the widespread economic and political boycott, unparalleled by anything directed at Israel for its long-standing occupation, is forcing Turkish Cypriots to leave for England, the USA, Canada and Australia. See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/cyprus/1406583/Turkish-Cypriots-leave-island-as-settlers-move-in.html

      Where was the denunciation of Turkish setters [sic: presumably you are not referring to a breed of dogs] in Cyprus?”

      (6) But Northern Cyprus has not declared itself the ancestral homeland of the Turkish people, is not attempting to attract Turks from around the world to return to redeem the land, and is not implanting settlers in Southern Cyprus. It is sometimes quite difficult to distinguish between migrants who come of their own free will to areas offering economic opportunities, and deliberate government encouragement of immigration into an occupied zone in contravention of Geneva IV. It would seem that small-scale encouragement of settlement of mainland Turks definitely occurred after 1974, though with a some justification (movement of Greeks from the north vastly exceeded return of Turks from the south, leaving untended land and an undermanned economy. (see https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/43791/The+Northern+Cypriot+Dream+-+Turkish+Immigration+1974-1980.pdf?sequence=2) But the Turkish government seems to have been genuinely supportative of rapprochement between the two communities in Cyprus, has no vested interest in exacerbating the dispute, has no ideological or economic interest in thwarting a resolution, and has recognised the autonomy to the Turkish community in Northern Cyprus to resolve their communal dispute. (see http://in-cyprus.com/a-curb-on-settlers/)

      Pathetic hasbara fail – you have nerely repeated prescribed talking points, without any understanding of history or the underlying issues.

  12. mcohen.
    May 3, 2016, 1:55 am

    dear friend

    after reading the words “jewish prophetic vision ” i started laughing and could not stop which caused me to burst my pants

    yes philly ho i popped a button

    are you on acid,do the words flow like colours on a rainbow

    stooping to the lowest while evoking the holiest is called

    tongue in cheek…………

    • John O
      May 3, 2016, 7:48 am

      “stooping to the lowest while evoking the holiest is called

      tongue in cheek…”

      And that’s called “bathos” by those who know their rhetorical tropes.

      • mcohen.
        May 3, 2016, 4:13 pm

        john o called “bathos:”

        no my friend ……i had something else in mind

        murder in the name of religion while evoking the name of G-d is not merely “bathos” .
        lt is absolute proof that there is no connection between G-d and religion

    • Mooser
      May 3, 2016, 1:02 pm

      Careful, “mcohen” your ellipse is tumescent.

  13. Nevada Ned
    May 3, 2016, 8:48 am

    Mearsheimer and Walt (M&W) said it: the Israel lobby accuses anyone who criticizes Israel of being an anti-Semite. Mearsheimer and Walt criticized Israel, and of course they were denounced as anti-Semiites. Which proves M&W knew the score.

    Jimmy Carter criticized Israel for oppressing the Palestinians. So of course the Israel lobby accused Jimmy Carter of being an anti-Semite.

    Nothing new here, except for one thing: Mearsheimer and Walt are card-carrying members of the foreign policy establishment, and highly respectable. Jimmy Carter has been a well known public personality for many decades. Somehow nobody noticed Carter’s alleged anti-Semitism, but after he criticized Israel, the usual suspects noticed it right away.

    The question naturally arises, who is doing this “policing”, shielding Israel from criticism?

    The Israel lobby, according to M. J. Rosenberg, is a foreign lobby that pretends to be a domestic lobby. Rosenberg knows what he is talking about, because he served as Executive Director of AIPAC for years.

    You can find, by goggling around, reference to Israeli government plans to combat the Palestinians and their advocates, in the new social media online.The Israeli government hired people to do this!

    • hoya saxa
      May 3, 2016, 1:27 pm

      I like when the pro pali debaters keep insisting anyone is PAID to defend israel…just to rattle off a few numbers 7 in 10 americans support israel while support for a pali state is at a 20 year low among americans. Is it possible that some of those 240 million americans are posting online? Or must they all be paid israeli agents? Silly. A few tuition dollars to students who explain to bigots how jews dont bake blood into their matzoh is not exactly a propaganda campaign. Debunking bigots who claim jews stayed home on 9/11 is a problem for you?

      • John O
        May 3, 2016, 3:24 pm

        This word “pali” intrigues me. Reminds me of something Lenny Bruce once said .

      • Mooser
        May 3, 2016, 7:20 pm

        “I like when the pro pali debaters keep insisting anyone is PAID to defend israel…”

        Oh, don’t mind them. They are just trying to invoke the old stereotype that Jews are spendthrifts, and simply throw money away.

      • hoya saxa
        May 3, 2016, 8:10 pm

        palestinian is such a long word and a stolen identity anyway..funny how it didnt dawn on anyone to steal an identity until an egyptian named arafat claimed it only meant an arab group….also funny how he tried to pretend to be born in jerusalem. What wont a funny arab claim is the question.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 3, 2016, 9:11 pm

        palestinian is such a long word

        hoya, not sure which moderator cleared your “pali” comment but if i’m around i’ll be trashing them. so you might try getting used to such a long word.

      • talknic
        May 3, 2016, 11:08 pm

        @ hoya saxa

        “palestinian is such a long word and a stolen identity anyway.”

        Strange. Palestine seems to have existed long before and longer than Israel http://wp.me/pDB7k-GO

        Jewish history in the region has been as Palestinian Jews far longer than Israel or the Kingdom of David ever existed

        Furthermore your stupid notion is entirely irrelevant to Israel’s officially proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel’s illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        “funny how it didnt dawn on anyone to steal an identity until an egyptian named arafat.”

        Where Arafat was born is irrelevant to Israel’s officially proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel’s illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        BTW you might find this funny too. Only one of the signatories to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was from the region. Amongst those, Israeli PM’s who were not from the region

        David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland
        Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine)
        Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus
        Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine)
        Saadia Kobashi – Yemen
        Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine)
        Rachel Cohen – Odesa
        David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary
        Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland
        Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus
        Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia
        Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia
        Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia
        Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany – Netherlands
        Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia
        Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland) US
        Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark
        Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany
        Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia
        David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia
        Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland
        Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland
        Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine
        Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia
        Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine
        Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ?
        Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland
        Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria /Hungary
        Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia
        Zvi Segal – Lithuania
        Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
        Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania
        Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia
        Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus
        Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia – Lithuania/Japan/Canada

        Did you have a point you were trying to make? Or merely Ziodumping the usual wholly holey Hasbara crapolla?

      • hoya saxa
        May 3, 2016, 11:38 pm

        You may consider it irrelevant that terrorist arafat lied about his birthplace and pretended to be from jerusalem but it goes hand in hand with the tall tales the palestinianst typically pass off. Just like when they pretend they stem from canaanites on monday, philistines on tuesday and arabs from arabia on wednesday. I also like when out of nowhere they start pretending they are the only ones with ties to jerusalem and they call rachels tomb a mosque and cave of the patriarchs. No wonder the cowards dont want any digging at al asqa and certainly no cameras..sigh. Wonder what “truth” palestinians are so frightful might be uncovered. Snicker.

      • John O
        May 4, 2016, 9:46 am

        @hoya saxa

        Has it ever occurred to you to go on a racism awareness course?

      • hoya saxa
        May 4, 2016, 12:26 pm

        What RACE do I support..and what RACE am I against. Take your time.

        Oh and just for you Annie…did you hear the Vassar voted down BDS proposals…and Bruce Springstein is headed to israel no matter how many BDS clowns yell at him..Sigh. And I smile some more. BDS fail!

      • Annie Robbins
        May 4, 2016, 1:50 pm

        Bruce Springstein is headed to israel no matter how many BDS clowns yell at him

        really, what’s the date of the concert?

        oh yes i heard about the vassar vote after the hysterics pity party that went on at that campus. did you hear about this:

      • hoya saxa
        May 4, 2016, 8:29 pm

        Bruce Springsteen to give Concert in Tel Aviv, Israel. July 2016

        BruceSpringsteenAmerican rock legend Bruce Springsteen, the Boss, is expected to give a concert in Tel Aviv, in July 2016. Springsteen has not yet given any concerts in Israel despite a large fan base here, and a one of concert will likely draw thousands of eager Israeli fans. Despite no contract has been signed yet, the venue is booked. We will publish more information about venue and date as it comes to light.

      • talknic
        May 4, 2016, 8:46 pm

        Irrelevant and typical Zioidiot derail attempt

        hoya saxa May 4, 2016, 8:29 pm http://mondoweiss.net/recent-comments/#sthash.coskcx4q.dpuf

      • talknic
        May 4, 2016, 8:49 pm

        @ hoya saxa May 3, 2016, 11:38 pm

        An entire post entirely irrelevant to the legal status of Israel’s self proclaimed and Internationally recognized territories and Israel’s illegal activities in non-Israeli territories

        Bravo. You’re doing a great job

      • Kay24
        May 4, 2016, 10:00 pm

        “Bruce Springsteen to give Concert in Tel Aviv, Israel. July 2016 ”

        “Music has charms to soothe a savage breast”

      • Annie Robbins
        May 4, 2016, 10:24 pm

        kay, if this was a sure thing it would be plastered all over the internet.

        http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/Springsteen-Israel-show-frenzy-grows-444120

        “I can say with full confidence that a [Bruce] Springsteen show will take place in Israel,” Israel’s dean of concert promoters, Shuki Weiss, said in an interview with The Jerusalem Post three years ago.

        Whether that statement proves to be prophetic is still an open book…….

        The local rumor mill picked up last week when Yediot Aharonot ran a report that a Tel Aviv show had been set for July, with only the date missing.

        Similar reports pop up every time Springsteen announces a European tour, but until now, Springsteen has not sung “The Promised Land” in Israel…..

        Weiss…. chalked up Springsteen’s absence in Israel to simple touring logistics.

        “It’s not a financial consideration or any other consideration – when it happens, it will happen. Our communication with his management is excellent, and there have been three times that we were so close to closing a deal,” said Weiss.

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/how-do-international-acts-get-to-israel-with-a-concerted-effort/

        The word’s still out on whether superstar Beyoncé or the beloved Bruce Springsteen will answer promoters’ prayers and prove true the constant rumors of August shows.

        the thing about booking the venue, as hoya claims, it that it requires a date.

      • Kay24
        May 5, 2016, 7:07 am

        Annie, thanks for that info. regarding Bruce Springsteen. You are right, perhaps July is around the corner, and world concerts are decided months and months earlier. Anyway we shall wait and see.

      • MHughes976
        May 5, 2016, 4:03 pm

        As for Springsteen – I was just looking, as one does, at Breaking Israel News, and found a headline saying that Springsteen’s guitarist describes BDS supporters as ‘ignorant, obnoxious idiots’. If that is the sentiment that prevails in the Springsteen camp then that we must expect that performance to happen some time soon.

  14. bryan
    May 3, 2016, 3:57 pm

    And how much did you earn for this little piece. Hoya saxa? If you are a hard-pressed student, forced into prostitution in order to pay your fees then no one begrudges you a shekel of your remuneration. After all Israel is just like the US, the UK, and many other states where the well-being of ordinary citizens and especially their health and education is sacrificed for tax-breaks for the rich and expensive security / military toys.

    It would appear that this is your first shift on duty, so I can only assume you missed out on the training session. Bloody matzoh is so 17th/18th/19th/20th century. Things have moved on a bit and now you are going to have to defend torture, ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, house demolition, the disproportionate murder of civilians, blatant racism and incitement and a host of other obscenities. Hope you have the stomach for that. Best Wishes and Good Luck with your course.

    • Mooser
      May 3, 2016, 6:05 pm

      “Bloody matzoh is so 17th/18th/19th/20th century. Things have moved on a bit and now you are going to have to defend torture, ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, house demolition, the disproportionate murder of civilians, blatant racism and incitement and a host of other obscenities.”

      Sorry, but every one of the things you mention involves blood, in one way or another. So those accusations are simply blood libels.
      Cases dismissed!

  15. a blah chick
    May 5, 2016, 7:32 pm

    MHughes976: “Springsteen’s guitarist describes BDS supporters as ‘ignorant, obnoxious idiots’. If that is the sentiment that prevails in the Springsteen camp then that we must expect that performance to happen some time soon.”

    I believe that that dude is a Jewish Israeli, so he’s been thoroughly indoctrinated.

  16. jewishwiccancatholicworker
    May 7, 2016, 12:38 am

    Liberation Magazine ran Berrigan’s speech and had amazing commentary by Dave Dellinger, Noam Chomsky, Allen Ginsberg and Paul Loeb. See https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2XzzY6kmo1-SFJVZV9LWlB5c3c/view?usp=sharing/

    And CONAME, the Committee On New Alternatives in the Middle East, published the Berrigan’s talk with more Zionist critiques followed by a response by editor Allan Solomonow. See https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2XzzY6kmo1-SmU3Y2V4WVVMZ1U/view?usp=sharing/

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