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By stressing accused Orlando shooter’s Muslim name, Trump can gain upper hand on Clinton — Michael Oren

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Sadness, horror, gloom, outrage, fear, resolve are among the emotions being expressed by Americans today, but of course some see a political angle in the massacre in the Orlando, FL, gay nightclub. Donald Trump tweeted this morning that he deserved credit for making an issue of radical Islam– when in fact the motivation of the shooter is not known at this time. “Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don’t want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance,” Trump said.

Now here is former Israeli ambassador to the U.S., Michael Oren, offering himself as an Islamophobic adviser to Trump, and saying that Trump can reap an opportunity from this crime:

Tarnopolsky was challenged as to veracity, and then tweeted this transcript:


Oren (who imagined there were pogroms in West Orange, N.J., when he was a boy, when it was actually violence related to extremist Meir Kahane) is surely of a mind that a civilizational war is good for Israel. Just as Oren’s former boss, Israeli PM Netanyahu, is said to have stated that the 9/11 attacks were good for Israel. They put the U.S. in Israel’s boat.  Now you see what we’re up against.

On that note, here is Gabriel Sherman of New York Magazine saying that the U.S. is closer to Israel than ever.

Brace yourself, there’s going to be a lot of this.

More propaganda. Oren Segal, the director of the Anti-Defamation League’s center on extremism, says Israel is telling Americans to take heart. “City Hall building in Tel Aviv lights up in solidarity w/ the people of #Orlando & #LGBT community.”

Pride display at Tel Aviv city hall

Pride display at Tel Aviv city hall

 

But guess what, it’s not even dark yet in Tel Aviv! Segal later said that the picture was from an earlier occasion, but no doubt the message he reflected was accurate.

Thanks to Adam Horowitz and James North. 

 

 

 

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  1. ritzl
    June 12, 2016, 2:53 pm

    Posted this OT in the Lerner thread:

    I’m watching CBS coverage (@1245) of the LAX response to the Orlando horror and somebody’s waving an Israeli flag behind the podium.

    I can only guess that the flag-waver is trying to send the message that this shooting is good for Israel by bolstering support because the murderer has a Muslim last name. What other purpose?

    Disgusting.

    • MRW
      June 12, 2016, 4:12 pm

      But they’ll get their panties in a knot over a Mexican flag.

    • Kay24
      June 12, 2016, 5:21 pm

      Why not? The zionist leader apparently said that 9/11 was good for them, so here is another opportunity to show the US that Jews not commit mass massacres in the US, and that Muslims do. It is strange that they carry the Israeli flag wherever they go.

      • Marnie
        June 13, 2016, 1:30 am

  2. MRW
    June 12, 2016, 3:47 pm

    Sadness, horror, gloom, outrage, fear, resolve are among the emotions being expressed by Americans today,

    For 50 dead. When are we going to express that level of compassion and empathy and sorrow for the hundreds of thousands we slaughtered overseas, needlessly, over the last 15 years? Needlessly. Creating the same hole in the heart of families who lost their sons this morning.

    Our moral relativism makes me sick.

    And we have the gall to sit around with our thumbs in our bum and our brains in neutral wondering why all this is happening to us? The LGBT issue wouldn’t even be an issue if we, as a nation, had an ounce of moral character and fortitude. It would be woven into who we are. Equal rights. Period. End of story. But right now we’re a bunch of brazen lyin’ pussies who wail worse than the Israelis at attacks we think unfair, who lie to ourselves worse than the Israelis lie to us about why some killing event is so horrendous but our own actions had nothing to do with it, and who, like the Israelis, bullshit their superiority when it doesn’t exist. We’re both morally vacant, and opportunistically so.

    • Marnie
      June 13, 2016, 12:32 am

      Truth.

    • RayJosephCormier
      June 13, 2016, 9:11 am

      Good comment!

    • klm90046
      June 13, 2016, 1:38 pm

      Two boys were fighting in the school yard when the principal walked up. “Stop it! Stop it!” he yelled. “Okay, what’s the problem?”

      Billy says, “Sir, the problem began when Jim hit me back.”

      • Philip Munger
        June 14, 2016, 2:08 pm

        I have actually witnessed this, when coaching a cantankerous 8 and 9 year-old boys’ soccer team.

        “He hit me back first!” was the claim.

    • Chu
      June 14, 2016, 10:59 am

      Good point, and when the state is Israel killed more than 1500 civilians in Gaza in 2014, of course the killing occurs under the guise of the paramount safety of the Jewish state, hardly any news outlets in the US media made any stink about it. The were no op-eds challenging the slaughter.

      495 children in Gaza died during that war. Collective punishment is acceptable when Israel does it, but it’s an horrid aberration when it is done to them.

    • Chu
      June 14, 2016, 11:01 am
    • eljay
      June 14, 2016, 11:29 am

      || MRW @ June 12, 2016, 3:47 pm ||

      Well said.

  3. Kay24
    June 12, 2016, 5:23 pm

    So it seems Israel is once again interfering in our Presidential elections. Maybe Drumpfs son in law has secretly recruited this shameful man to advice Disgusting Drumpf.

  4. Bandolero
    June 12, 2016, 5:47 pm

    I basically think Michael Oren is correct here.

    When leaving out the fact that the US media shows it’s racism by hyping the loss of US blood while it takes muslim blood in the middle east for cheap, I think the basic assumption of Michael Oren is right. It was a bad day for Israel and Israel favorite horse Hillary.

    What’s diffrent today from 9/11 is that 9/11 made the US public feel solidarity with Israel because of “islamic terrorism” and therefore 9/11 made it possible to start US wars against islamic countries like Iraq, what Israel wanted for long. However, this time it’s different.

    Israeli ambassador Michael Oren is on the record saying Israel supports Sunni Islamic terrorists like Al Qaeda because it wants secular arab strongman Assad down. DIA chief Michael Flynn is on the record saying the Obama-Clinton administration made a “willful decision” to allow the creation of the ISIS monster to weaken Assad, and his assertation is backed up by a FOIA document.

    So what’s different this time from 9/11 is that this time much of the US public may not feel solidarity with Israel due to this terrorism, but blame Israel, the Israel lobby, their Saudi buddies and Israel’s presidential horse Hillary Clinton for willfully supporting this kind of terrorism.

    I think that’s a big differrence from 9/11 to now.

    • klm90046
      June 13, 2016, 1:46 pm

      “9/11 made it possible to start US wars against islamic countries like Iraq…”

      Not true, Bandolero. We had virtually destroyed Iraq ten years earlier, killing an estimated 350,000 Iraqis. We followed it up with crippling sanctions that killed another one million, including a half million children which Madeline Albright said was “worth it.”

      How easily we forget!

      • Bandolero
        June 13, 2016, 4:26 pm

        klm90046

        Of course, the US has ravaged countries before, including Yugoslavia and Iraq. However, 9/11 had a specific effect on the US – remember, a country that is easily moved in the right direction, as Netanyahu freely explained – quoting here from the article linked above:

        “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

        And as Wesley Clark explained in 2007 the plan was to push through wars on 7 countries in 5 years after 9/11:

        https://youtu.be/SXS3vW47mOE

        Following such a plan would have not been possible without 9/11, an catalyzing event like a “new Pearl Harbor.” That further following this plan was delayed under Bush/Cheney until the Obama/Clinton took power, was only because the US was beaten up badly in Iraq, so the US needed time for recreation before getting other wars started like those on Libya and Syria. But then again, after those wars went awful, and so the war on Iran was called off for now with the Iran deal. However, 9/11 was the catalizing event that made this hyper aggressive US policy in the first decade of the new century possible.

        Howveer, now it’s different. I don’t think Orlando will catalyze more of this hyper aggressive US policy. Now the blame falls into the other direction, namely in direction of those supporting the hyper aggressive US policy – including the support of wahhabi terror groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS as US proxies to attack other countries.

  5. hophmi
    June 12, 2016, 6:40 pm

    I don’t believe that Oren was necessarily condoning this sentiment. I believe that he was acting as an analyst of US politics. He also said that had the attack been strictly homophobic, rather than related to radical Islamic terrorist, Clinton would have benefited from it.

    Wondering if Mondoweiss will be including this tweet, retweeted by Tarnopolsky: https://twitter.com/faisalalmutar/status/742059724351365121

  6. yonah fredman
    June 12, 2016, 8:55 pm

    First reaction of politician oren in aftermath of disaster: let me find a camera so I can crack wise about the political consequences. First reaction of blog journalist Weiss in aftermath of disaster: condemn oren in your headline.

    • Boo
      June 13, 2016, 8:38 am

      False equivalency. Weiss isn’t an agent of a foreign power trying to influence the US presidential election.

    • MRW
      June 14, 2016, 8:04 am

      First reaction of blog journalist Weiss in aftermath of disaster: condemn oren in your headline.

      Why not? Oren needs to keep his nose out of American politics. He’s an Israeli citizen. His opinion is immaterial. Just Israel trying to wiggle its fat butt in where it isn’t welcome and make it about herself.

      • hophmi
        June 14, 2016, 10:54 am

        People in other countries are permitted to offer their analysis of American politics, last I checked.

      • Mooser
        June 14, 2016, 12:04 pm

        “People in other countries are permitted to offer their analysis of American politics, last I checked.”

        Yes, that’s true. Why you could even post from “Israel” to offer an analysis of American politics, if you lived there.

  7. ritzl
    June 12, 2016, 8:58 pm

    Oren: “This changes race.”

    Well it would for sure in an irredeemably racist country like where Oren is from. We’ll see about here.

    Heck, if Oren’s racist theory was correct, Trump could just say Muslims are coming out in droves to vote and he’d win easily.

    TBD…

    Really getting sick of Israelis coming here and overlaying their perverted/failed/absent morality on us. We have enough problems in that area.

    How refreshing it would be if Israeli officials in the US offered us help instead of corruption and paranoia. Jeez, when Israel has a problem with BDS, US Ambassador Shapiro offers to stage a phony peace process to help relieve the worsening perception and growing pressure. Why can’t Israel offer to dial back its occupation brutality for a while and/or aggressively prosecute a couple of the people there who burned kids alive (they have more than a few to choose from)? Ya know, just to relieve some pressure on us in the Muslim world as a show of good faith and reciprocity.

    HaHaHa.

    Hey Israel, throw us a bone.

  8. Marnie
    June 13, 2016, 12:24 am

    I can’t get over the sense of joy that comes across israeli politicians every time there’s a tragedy in other countries. And Michael Oren has laid out his political advice to Trump. Weird. I guess he already knows Killary can’t wait to open a new arena of war. It’s like – see, what’d we tell you! They’re uncivilized brutes! When they live among us they go the poles in hordes! They don’t have our values! They’re not like us! They smell funny (actually heard all of these)! We have to punish all of these barbarians wherever they live, every one of them from infant to the aged or we’ll never be safe!

  9. Boo
    June 13, 2016, 8:30 am

    Oren’s kinda clueless about what’s going on here. A vote for HRC is a vote for licking Bibi’s boots. A vote for Drumpf is a vote for pulling the rug out from under our “special relationship”.

    Drumpf’s a pure nativist who detests all furriners equally — distrusts Zionists as much as he despises Islamists. Careful what you wish for, Oren.

    • Mooser
      June 13, 2016, 8:56 pm

      “Drumpf’s a pure nativist who detests all furriners equally”

      Except the ones he marries?

  10. Talkback
    June 13, 2016, 9:32 am

    And if Oren had been Hitler he would have stressed Jewish names.

  11. Elizabeth Block
    June 13, 2016, 9:45 am

    Someone was saying last night that this will elect Trump. I hope not! and when I think how short Americans’ memories are, I think not.
    What it won’t do, unfortunately, is get the gun laws changed.

    • Mooser
      June 13, 2016, 12:00 pm

      Look, up until now, Trump had to appeal to the Repub primary electorate.
      Now Trump has to deal with the national electorate.

    • echinococcus
      June 13, 2016, 8:37 pm

      Instead of taking up the private gun laws, start by stopping aggression and pulling all military and spies behind US borders and stopping aid to the Zionist entity.
      You’d be surprised how much violence will disappear overnight.

      • inbound39
        June 14, 2016, 9:28 pm

        Yes…this is the crux of the matter. What Americans do not get is the fact that without America Israel cannot continue its illegal takeover of Palestine. It cannot continue getting impunity for its blatant ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, its disproportionate attacks on Gaza nor its live telecasts of murders of wounded alleged Palestinian terrorists. America supplies Israel with ALL the means to perpetuate this nightmare…..this horror story. And Americans naively think that by remaining complicit in this morally reprehensible stance that no backlash will occur. The Special Relationship has bred hatred toward America for perfectly understandable human reasons and if Americans do not get that then it is beyond time that they did. Americans are basically good fair minded people….what Israel is doing is not and America has no legitimate reason for supporting Israel….none.

  12. Bumblebye
    June 13, 2016, 2:18 pm

    Oren’s an Islamophobic idiot, but I think I’ve found someone who takes the biscuit for convoluted conspiracy theories, making this hideous attack into an Israeli black op, by a Mossad asset – this really is tinfoil hat time:

    http://christophereverard.co.uk/was-the-orlando-killer-a-mossad-asset/

    • echinococcus
      June 15, 2016, 1:11 am

      Bumblebye, crazy people do not only imagine things that did not happen, they generally also imagine things that really happened.

  13. HStrumm
    June 13, 2016, 4:22 pm

    I am surprised Oren didn’t say, “And while you’re at it, make sure you refer to the inadequate response by President BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.”

    • Marnie
      June 14, 2016, 1:24 am

      There’s still time – I’m sure he (or some other tool) will say it.

  14. ckg
    June 13, 2016, 9:06 pm

    In Donald Trump’s carefully prepared security speech today, he said,

    When I am elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we understand how to end these threats.

    Under this criterion, all Palestine passport holders, Christian and Muslim alike, could and would likely be prevented from immigration.

  15. Qualtrough
    June 14, 2016, 12:51 am

    Israel has faced serious security issues during the entirety of its existence, problems that appear to be getting worse judging by the number of women and children they need to periodically kill when the lawn requires mowing’. Given this abject failure, who in their right mind would turn to them for security advice?

    • inbound39
      June 14, 2016, 9:30 pm

      Israel’s problems are entirely self generated and self inflicted. It is entirely based in illegitimacy.

  16. John D
    June 14, 2016, 7:40 am

    A problem for stupid zionists like Oren and others is that they speak first and think second.
    As time has gone by, it has transpired that the shooter was a regular patron at the club.
    It is now reported he was a regular consumer of alcohol and tried to gain male friends there.
    The more time passes, the more it becomes apparent that he was deeply mentally disturbed and that the account provided by his father – “two men kissing together” – is not correct.
    Factually speaking, Oren has given Trump very bad advice – and Trump will realise this soon.
    I hope this teaches Trump a very valuable lesson – never trust stupid zionists.
    Zionists like Oren and others in the US are all traitors to the US and to the US people.
    They care only about the brutal occupying zionist state and will ruin the US if they have to.

    • Kay24
      June 14, 2016, 9:46 am

      Drumpf has shown his talents for lying, exaggerating, and insulting, but being intelligent enough to “realize” the truth is not his strong suit. He still thinks Obama was not born in the US (despite a very legal document being produced), and believes the Mexicans will pay for wall they don’t want, and that we will not build.

      Oren is a soft spoken scumbag, who has lied to the American people while representing his rogue nation.

      • inbound39
        June 14, 2016, 9:50 pm

        Yes Kay24…the only answer and way out of this for America and for America to regain its reputation and standing internationally is for it to discontinue the complicity with Israel. To end the Special Relationship…..that is what is causing the damage and that is what is dragging America down….it is not justifiable at all.

  17. klm90046
    June 14, 2016, 4:34 pm

    Somebody tell this clown, names have to do less with religion, more with language. Most Christians in Egypt, Lebanon etc have Arab names. Remember Tariq Aziz of Iraq? Well, he was Christian. Most Iranian Jews have Farsi names, and that was the reason many of them were hauled up after 9/11 as Muslim suspects. By his reckoning, isn’t Michael a Christian name?

  18. Qualtrough
    June 15, 2016, 4:15 am

    One of the things I like least about Zionists, and there are many, is the way they constantly try to persuade others to share their hatred for those they perceive as their enemies, namely Arabs/Palestinians. It reminds me of my school days, when members of different cliques were always trying to get you to dislike whatever clique or persons they didn’t like. A very unattractive trait.

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