In overwhelming vote, leading Lutheran branch calls on US to cut off aid to Israel

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This weekend the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) overwhelmingly approved two resolutions calling on the U.S. government to end all financial and military aid to Israel until Israel “compl[ies] with internationally recognized human rights standards”, freezes settlement construction on occupied Palestinian land, and for the church to adopt an investment screen to avoid profiting from Israel’s Occupation, at ELCA’s triennial 2016 Churchwide Assembly in New Orleans. ELCA is one of three Lutheran church bodies in the U.S. 

Yesterday’s vote on Resolution C1 was 751 (82%) in favor, and 162 opposed.

[8.] To urge this church’s members, congregations, synods, agencies and presiding bishop to call on their U.S. Representatives, Senators and the Administration to take action requiring that, to continue receiving U.S. financial and military aid, Israel must comply with internationally recognized human rights standards as specified in existing U.S. law, stop settlement building and the expansion of existing settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, end its occupation of Palestinian territory, and enable an independent Palestinian state; and

[9.] To encourage this church’s members, congregations, synods, and agencies to call on the U.S. President to recognize the State of Palestine and not prevent the application of the State of Palestine for full membership in the United Nations.

Pastor Khaled Khalila testifies at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Assembly - New Orleans, Aug 2016 Photo: Christopher Hazou

Pastor  Kahder Khalila testifies at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Assembly – New Orleans, Aug 2016 Photo: Christopher Hazou

A second resolution (C2) directing the ELCA’s Corporate Social Responsibility review team to adopt an investment screen to avoid profiting from Israel’s Occupation passed overwhelming (90%) this morning:

[I]n the case of Israel and Palestine, specifically based on the concerns raised in the ELCA Middle East Strategy….To repudiate explicitly and clearly the European-derived doctrine of discovery as an example of the “improper mixing of the power of the church and the power of the sword” (Augsburg Confession Article XXVIII, Latin text), and to acknowledge and repent from this church’s complicity in the evils of colonialism in the Americas, which continue to harm tribal governments and individual tribal members;

to develop a human rights social criteria investment screen based on the social teachings of this church and the concerns raised in the ELCA Middle East Strategy;

To encourage ELCA members, congregations, synods, agencies and institutions to increase positive investment in Palestine and other under-resourced areas where human rights abuses materially impact the well-being of all people; and

To encourage ELCA members, congregations, synods, agencies and institutions to engage in shareholder advocacy in support of human rights, exercising the right of a shareholder to submit resolutions at a corporation’s annual meeting.

ELCA Churchwide Assembly August 13, 2016 (photo: Christopher Hazou)

ELCA Churchwide Assembly August 13, 2016 (photo: Christopher Hazou)

Leading the initiative was Isaiah 58, a group of ELCA Lutherans who “advocate for a more engaged church response to calls from Palestinians for an end to Israel’s occupation and a just peace for both Israel and Palestine”, who issued this press release today:

Isaiah 58, a group of Lutherans working for peace and justice in the Holy Land, welcomes today’s vote by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) to adopt a human rights-based investment screen for its social responsibility funds to ensure the church is not profiting from human rights abuses, including Israel’s nearly half-century-old military occupation of Palestinian lands. The overwhelming vote in favor took place at the ELCA’s triennial Churchwide Assembly in New Orleans.

“In our Affirmation of Baptism, one of the five promises we make as Lutherans is to ‘work for justice and peace throughout the earth,’” said Jan Miller, ELCA member and a leader of Isaiah 58 from the Rocky Mountain Synod. “By adopting this investment screen, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is taking an important step to ensure that we are not profiting from, or complicit in, injustice in the Holy Land and elsewhere.”

Yesterday, the ELCA approved a resolution calling for an end to US aid to Israel until the latter freezes the construction of settlements built on occupied Palestinian land in violation of longstanding official US policy and international law. Currently, the US gives more than $3 billion in military aid to Israel each year, without which it could not maintain its occupation of Palestinian lands, which entered its 50th year this past June.

The ELCA has long opposed Israel’s illegal settlement enterprise and supported nonviolent action in support of Palestinian rights. With today’s vote, the ELCA adds its own voice and approach to the growing number of US churches that have endorsed economic acts of conscience in support of Palestinian freedom and human rights, including the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Church of Christ, and others.

Isaiah 58 thanks ELCA voting members for taking a strong, principled stand in support of freedom, justice, and equality in the Holy Land and around the world, and looks forward to continuing our work towards achieving those goals.

Anna Baltzer, Director of Organizing & Advocacy for the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation reports:

ELCA marks the ninth denomination to engage in economic acts of conscience to support justice for Palestinians, following the Quakers, Mennonite Central Committee, United Methodists, Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, Unitarian Universalists, Catholic Conference of Major Superiors of Men, and the Alliance of Baptists.

Isaiah 58 and allies at 2016 ELCA Churchwide Assembly (photo: Christopher Hazou)

Isaiah 58 and allies at 2016 ELCA Churchwide Assembly (photo: Christopher Hazou)

Allies from member groups working at the assembly along side Isaiah 58 included Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA), American Friends Service Committee, Friends of Sabeel – North America, New Orleans Palestinian Solidarity Committee, Jewish Voice for Peace and U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.

The full resolutions are here.

The full report of the ECLA Memorials Committee can be found here.

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  1. inbound39
    August 13, 2016, 3:18 pm

    Yippee Annie this is great news! The floodgates are opening and the groundswell can begin. Long overdue justice appears to be happening and there isn’t really a thing these Zionist bought politicians can say in defense that won’t look extremely dodgy. It’s a numbers game as I said on another thread here the other day. The more people that oppose it the less likely Israel will be able to wrench $40 billion dollars from the American taxpayer. It also serves notice to Israel that ending the Occupation is its only viable choice. If the American Government is blocked by the people sending that money then in effect it is the first of many sanctions that will follow. It only takes one small hole in a dyke to start a flood.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 13, 2016, 3:30 pm

      it’s fantastic news inbound!

      • Citizen
        August 14, 2016, 3:23 am

        @ Annie Robbins
        Yes, wonderful news! Thank you, Annie, for bringing it to us–makes my early Sunday morning–I will spread the good news!

      • Mary T
        August 14, 2016, 8:02 pm

        Good job, Annie! I am thrilled to see religious values in action. Thanks for this.

    • jonjames
      January 10, 2017, 1:16 pm

      Who will stand for Israel ? US abstains in important UN vote. This is not good. Seventy nations against Israel !

      • eljay
        January 10, 2017, 1:30 pm

        || jonjames: Who will stand for Israel ? … ||

        No-one should stand for on-going Israeli colonialism and (war) crimes.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2017, 1:33 pm

        “Who will stand for Israel ? US abstains in important UN vote. This is not good. Seventy nations against Israel !

        Better get used to it. I doubt there will be any improvement in Israel’s international odor.
        I mean, c’mon “jonjames”, what did you expect?

      • talknic
        January 10, 2017, 4:28 pm

        “Who will stand for Israel ? US abstains in important UN vote. This is not good. Seventy nations against Israel “

        Warmongers. thieves, Idiots and the ignorant who think that only the Jewish State is exempt from its obligations to International Law, the UN Charter and the basic common sense tenets of Judaism

  2. Kay24
    August 13, 2016, 6:37 pm

    Other churches, institutions, and agencies for human rights, please follow suit and make your voices louder. Time to hold the US government accountable for what is going on in that region, and the suffering of the Palestinians. We are tired of our leaders being deaf.

    • jonjames
      January 11, 2017, 7:28 pm

      Most American people (70+%) support Israel. Most Christian churches also are strong supporters of Israel. A lot of Christians equate today’s nation of Israel with the Hebrew people referred to in the Bible.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2017, 8:15 pm

        Most American people (70+%) support Israel.

        i already addressed this allegation when you made it yesterday: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/lutherans-say-cut-off-aid-toisrael/#comment-866436

        do you have any current data to support this “70+%”? and with 60% of dems supporting sanctions over settlement expansion, and “Nearly 2/3 of Americans support or do not oppose the Obama administration sponsoring a United Nations resolution” i’m not sure what you mean. besides, one can “support” israel while opposing the zionist regime.

      • eljay
        January 11, 2017, 8:28 pm

        || jonjames: Most American people (70+%) support Israel. … ||

        Most American people (70%) binge-watch TV shows. This can’t be a coincidence.

        || … A lot of Christians equate today’s nation of Israel with the Hebrew people referred to in the Bible. ||

        A lot of Christians have some ‘splainin’ to do about the 20% of the nation of Israel that isn’t Hebrew / Jewish.

      • RoHa
        January 11, 2017, 9:02 pm

        “Most American people (70+%) support Israel. ”

        So what? They are wrong.

        “Most Christian churches also are strong supporters of Israel. ”

        So what? They are wrong.

        “A lot of Christians equate today’s nation of Israel with the Hebrew people referred to in the Bible.”

        So what? They are wrong.

  3. Blaine Coleman
    August 13, 2016, 7:03 pm

    This is an excellent piece of news. If similar boycott, divestment, and sanction (BDS) resolutions flood the campuses all year long, then the state of Israel will be abolished, like slavery was abolished.

    In fact, there is a 2016 National SJP Conference at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia from November 4th-6th: https://www.facebook.com/events/1079701425451338/
    Does that mean more BDS resolutions on campuses? I hope so.

    • jon s
      August 14, 2016, 8:58 am

      According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. Just noting.

      • talknic
        August 14, 2016, 9:37 am

        @ jon s August 14, 2016, 8:58 am

        “According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. “

        Uh? Blaine Coleman’s statement isn’t that of the BDS movement.

        Try something else.

        “Just noting”

        Uh? There’s an ‘h’ in ‘just nothing’ !

      • echinococcus
        August 14, 2016, 1:09 pm

        John S (yes, there is an “h”, as you say) is entirely correct. Equal rights for all inhabitants abolishes the “State of Israel”.

      • Mooser
        August 14, 2016, 5:53 pm

        “According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. Just noting. “

        Oh for f–k’s sake. Look who is keeping score. Taking names and notes.

      • Mooser
        August 14, 2016, 6:01 pm

        “Uh? There’s an ‘h’ in ‘just nothing’ !”

        “Talknic”, I think it’s a fair to conclude that “Jon s” is simply incapable of dropping the absurd pretense that Zionism gives him a moral ascendancy! Oh, and every other kind, too.

        We have bred ourselves a Zionist Jewish aristocracy! Wouldn’t have believed it could be done so fast.

      • Talkback
        August 15, 2016, 4:47 am

        @ jon s

        It’s not BDS’ fault that Israel is not like South Africa and Apartheid is essential to the nature of the ‘Jewish’ instead of ‘Israeli’ state. Or have you ever heard South Africa asking for a right to exist and be recognized as an Afrikaner/White state?

      • eljay
        August 15, 2016, 7:25 am

        || jon s: According to Blaine Coleman … the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. … ||

        What is the goal of BDS according to the BDS movement?

        IMO, Israel should not be abolished. But it must be reformed, and colonialist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” must go.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 15, 2016, 10:00 am

        jon, what do you think blaine meant when he said the state will “be abolished, like slavery was abolished”?

      • Mooser
        August 15, 2016, 12:52 pm

        “jon, what do you think blaine meant when he said the state will “be abolished, like slavery was abolished”?”

        Well, since “Jon s” is only able top keep his house, the place where he lives, due to the power of the Zionist State if the State is abolished, or even compromises and retreats to it’s self-declared and original lines, he loses a lot.

        That, and his own exquisite sense of justice, is what makes him eminently qualified to speak in the interest of the Palestinians best interest. He’s completely disinterested.

      • Mr.T
        August 15, 2016, 2:50 pm

        “According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel.”

        Good. As with other similar Apartheid and racist states before it, if it cannot reform itself to stop its crimes against humanity, it should be abolished. It should be utterly destroyed and replaced with something which will respect everyone’s rights and provides justice to those who’ve been harmed and restitution for all that has been stolen from Zionism’s victims.

      • Emory Riddle
        August 15, 2016, 4:13 pm

        I dunno if BDS feels that way, but is there really any other solution? Israel as a Jewish State should absolutely be abolished. Let those white people go elsewhere…if anyone will have them.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2017, 1:38 pm

        “According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. Just noting.”

        “Jon s”, nobody says you have to have a bunch of excuses before you can leave BeerSheba. Just buy a ticket out of that hell-hole, and quit all the kvetching.

        Yeah, yeah, if you want, you can blame anti-Zionists for making you leave. Be my guest.

    • JoeSmack
      August 15, 2016, 12:06 am

      Virtually every student I’ve met who has attended the “National SJP Conference” came back disillusioned. Last I remember they were using money they raised, much of it from grants from liberal NGOs, to give their own members paid vacations to foreign conferences, spreading all sorts of rumors among the student body, accusing their own members of “anti-Semitism” and not taking Palestinian voices seriously (unless they were token Palestinian voices that would promote Jewish voices). There were also some allegations of sexual harassment but for obvious reasons I can’t comment on that other than from what I heard from the victims, it was never dealt with. There was some sort of town hall in 2014 in which the students who attended lambasted the people in charge, but from those who told me about it nothing has changed and they just ignored all of the complaints.

      To be clear, that isn’t a slight against individual SJP chapters, but this “National” SJP conference is run by its own group of self-appointed PhDs from wealthy schools like Columbia and Harvard. They have very poor reputations in the world of student organizing, I wouldn’t recommend advertising for them. Especially considering you’ve called on BDS to “abolish the state of Israel”. That is the kind of rhetoric that is unacceptable to people in NSJP, they are trying to pander to Jewish liberals, they don’t say the “Z” word, etc.

      • jonjames
        January 10, 2017, 1:22 pm

        Most of the American citizens support Israel. A huge majority of the Christian churches and organizations support Israel.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 10, 2017, 1:59 pm

        Most of the American citizens support Israel

        that would depend on your definition of support. are you familiar with the recent brookings poll? http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/overwhelming-establishment-palestinian/

        Nearly 2/3 of Americans support or do not oppose the Obama administration sponsoring a United Nations resolution to end Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank before he leaves office. A plurality of Americans (40%) either strongly or somewhat support this. Twenty-three percent of Americans neither oppose nor support and 33% either strongly or somewhat oppose this resolution.

        –Democrats overwhelmingly support such action.

        Sixty-five percent of Democrats either strongly or somewhat support his backing a resolution against settlements. Seventy percent of Democrats support Obama backing a UN resolution outlining the “parameters for ending” the conflict.

        –Democratic attitudes re sanctions and a Palestinian state are shifting rapidly.

        Compared with last year (November 2015), the percentage of Democrats who support the establishment of a Palestinian state has increased from 39% to 51%.

        In November 2016, a majority of Democrats (60%) supported imposing some economic sanctions or taking more serious action compared with 49% in November 2015. And overall the number supporting sanctions has gone from 38 percent to 46 percent in the last two years.

        –The numbers are highest among the young: 51 percent of Americans under 34 years old support sanctions against Israel for settlements.

        while technically you might be correct (re: “most”) those percentages are shifting swiftly. 60% of dems supporting sanctions, 51% of americans under 34yrs supporting sanctions. only 33% of americans oppose to a United Nations resolution to end Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank while 65% percent of Dems support such a resolution against settlements.

        don’t confuse congress with the american people. and my hunch is that lots of americans who support sanctioning israel over the settlement construction would count themselves as supporters of israel. so what does that really mean “supporting” israel. friends don’t let friends drive drunk.

      • echinococcus
        January 10, 2017, 4:39 pm

        John James,

        Most American citizens support the crazy idea of an imaginary friend or rather imaginary sadist in the clouds. Most Americans support war of aggression, murder on imperial say-so and assorted heinous crimes against international law. Also, “A huge majority of” any churches / religions obviously contain an even much higher percentage of deluded and illlogical people –or at least people who don’t base life on proved fact.

        So what was your point about a majority of such people supporting the Zionist entity? One day they’ll have to learn that there is no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy, won’t they?

      • RoHa
        January 10, 2017, 7:43 pm

        “Most of the American citizens support Israel.”

        Americans have a worldwide reputation for being dumb and ignorant.

    • jonjames
      January 10, 2017, 1:19 pm

      No, Israel will not be abolished. Too many supporters of Israel, including most Christian churches and organizations in this country.
      Many seem to forget why the nation of Israel was established after WWII: a homeland for the Jewish people; those who were still around after the holocaust. The world cannot forget that.

      • eljay
        January 10, 2017, 1:35 pm

        || jonjames: No, Israel will not be abolished. … ||

        Israel shouldn’t be abolished, IMO. But it must be held accountable for its past and on-going colonialism and (war) crimes, and it must respect and uphold international laws.

        Religion-supremacist “Jewish State” must be abolished. No state has a right to exist as any sort of supremacist state.

        || … Many seem to forget why the nation of Israel was established after WWII: a homeland for the Jewish people … ||

        That’s one Zionist narrative. The other is that Israel was the realization of the “return” of Jewish people to their “ancient / eternal homeland”.

        Neither narrative justifies the creation or existence of a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine.

      • amigo
        January 10, 2017, 1:48 pm

        “Who will stand for Israel ?” jonjames

        See your 2 posts below.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2017, 1:54 pm

        “A homeland for the Jewish people; those who were still around after the holocaust. The world cannot forget that”

        Yeah, one might think the Zionists would take that into consideration. “jonjames”, did it ever occur to you that Israel’s plight is of its own making?

      • talknic
        January 10, 2017, 4:45 pm

        @ jonjames January 10, 2017, 1:19 pm

        “Many seem to forget why the nation of Israel was established after WWII: a homeland for the Jewish people; those who were still around after the holocaust. The world cannot forget that.”

        Strange. In 1897, some four decades before the Holocaust, the Zionist Federation decided to colonize Palestine by setting up a financial institution to loan (at interest) money to buy Palestinian real estate and provide arms to specifically poor Jews so they could endanger themselves on the front lines. Israel continues that vile policy today more than seven decades after the Holocaust

      • RoHa
        January 10, 2017, 7:41 pm

        “Too many supporters of Israel, including most Christian churches and organizations in this country. ”

        I would expect to find a lot of supporters of Israel in Israel, though I suspect the Christian churches are not very enthusiastic supporters. (I assume that you mean Israel by “this country”, since you mention no other country.)

  4. sawah
    August 13, 2016, 7:17 pm

    Thank you Annie for a great article and great news.
    And agree with both inbound39 and Kay 24…time to open the
    gates….. those institutions that are supposedly there to lead
    humanity in the right path, they know what to do…….

  5. mcohen.
    August 13, 2016, 7:40 pm

    party no. 9…..ONE STATE

    A.
    [9.] To encourage this church’s members, congregations, synods, and agencies to call on the U.S. President to recognize the State of Palestine and not prevent the application of the State of Palestine for full membership in the United Nations.

    B.
    Palestine 194 is the name given to a diplomatic campaign by the Palestinian National Authority to gain membership in the United Nations for the State of Palestine.

    C.
    Since 1999, interest has been renewed in binationalism or a unitary democratic state. In that year the Palestinian activist Edward Said wrote:

    “… after 50 years of Israeli history, classic Zionism has provided no solution to the Palestinian presence. I therefore see no other way than to begin now to speak about sharing the land that has thrust us together, sharing it in a truly democratic way with equal rights for all citizens.”[22]

    simple as ABC

  6. oldgeezer
    August 13, 2016, 7:51 pm

    Bit by bit the supporters add up. Politicians play a doubtful game in ignoring an ever increasing number of solid community groups and individuals. zionists play a dangerous game in seeking to have politicians outlaw freedom of speech and conscience. There will likely be blowback unless politicians ditch the venal desire for cash and listen to those they represent.

    • inbound39
      August 15, 2016, 10:31 am

      Exactly oldgeezer…..it’s time for the electorate to remind politicians like Ileanna Ros Lehtinen that they are elected to represent the interests of Americans and not Israeli’s and that if they are going to support Israel then they are supporting a criminal state.

  7. Boomer
    August 13, 2016, 8:43 pm

    Outstanding! Wonderful news! A significant development!

    Congratulations to these Lutherans, and thanks to them. Politicians can no longer easily ignore such calls for justice, or dismiss them as antisemitic.

    Thanks as well to those who have worked so hard to create and sustain this site, for it has grown to play a significant role in making change possible.

    Some time ago I realized that I daily turn to this site looking for good news, and daily find mostly the opposite. It seemed strange that I kept returning. But this is indeed good news.

    • Citizen
      August 14, 2016, 3:31 am

      Ditto here. Yesterday I saw a Twitter Account (with a JDL logo) called Mondweiss “a palestnian rag.” It’s more often called “anti-Semitic.”

      • Boomer
        August 14, 2016, 10:32 am

        @ Citizen, re “anti-Semitic” and “rag.” Yes, but that tactic may be wearing thin. Back in 2012 there was a letter from some major church leaders calling for limits on aid to Israel until it improved actions re Palestinian human rights. ADL et al. were not pleased, and the normal rhetorical attacks followed. So far, that (and money) has carried the day inside the Beltway, but it didn’t stop the Lutherans from doing the right thing. I suspect it won’t stop others either.
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/church-leaders-urge-members-of-congress-to-reconsider-us-aid-to-israel/

      • xanadou
        August 15, 2016, 6:21 pm

        Citizen,
        How can MW be a “Palestinian rag” AND “anti-Semitic”? That is IMpossible. Palestinians are overwhelmingly a Semitic people, whereas adherents of the Jewish faith are, like the rest of us, a mélange of ethnicities. Conversely, a person of Semitic origin can be a Jew, Christian, Muslim, non-believer, or something else entirely. Ethnicity and religious affiliation are two separate concepts. It’s time that the zios reconsider their inconsistent bag of (self)insults.
        Consider: the Lutheran Semitic speaker, Pastor Kahder Khalila, v, Jewish (probably Russo-)Slavic PM.

        Furthermore, the anti-semitic zio last-to-convert Jews, from Netanyahoo on down the govt clique, who consider themselves superior to the Mizrahim and Sephardim, are corrupting an old tradition by using it for very secular, pedestrian and selfish reasons, staining all tribal followers with their zio waste that exposes all the faithful to old prejudices.
        These anti-semitic zios are usingtheir religion to create a multitude of useful idiots from among their own kind behind whom to hide when the proverbial hits the fan. Feh!

        The hypnotized useful idiots would do well to wake up and consider separating their faith from the wretched outhouse of profitable politics that generously reward a few at the majority’s expense, starting with the latter’s security.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2017, 1:46 pm

        .” Palestinians are overwhelmingly a Semitic people,”

        Whilst others were settin’ around, afraid their sandals would get wet, Noah’s son Shem was begettin’,( not bidin’ his time) a host of people and proto-languages. What a man!

    • Boomer
      August 21, 2016, 7:08 am

      Correction: Back on August 13, my first reaction to Annie’s story about the Lutherans’ resolution was naively positive. I said, “Politicians can no longer easily ignore such calls for justice, or dismiss them as antisemitic.”

      I was wrong. Now that I have monitored the U.S. mainstream media for reporting on this for over a week, I must admit that politicians can easily ignore such calls for justice, and dismiss them as antisemitic, as long as the U.S. media continue almost uniformly do those things.

      There were exceptions: WSJ and Philly.com. Otherwise, silence, attack and misrepresentation (Newsweek) or misrepresentation by omitting essential facts, reasons, and context (PBS). But mostly silence. I would be happy if someone finds good coverage that I missed. But unless that happens, the conclusion seems clear and ominous.

  8. Marnie
    August 14, 2016, 12:54 am

    More and more churches are resoundingly demanding justice for Palestinians – what a beautiful thing to behold and I’m so glad MW is on top of all these developments as I don’t think they’ll get any play anywhere else – thanks again for keeping us informed.

    • Boomer
      August 14, 2016, 10:34 am

      @ Marnie, “I don’t think they’ll get any play anywhere else”

      Your comment prompted me to check Google News. Nothing yet, but perhaps it is still too early. NYT does have some letters to the editor re BDS, carefully curated for the right “balance,” but I didn’t see a reference to this development.

      • Marnie
        August 14, 2016, 11:53 am

        Boomer –
        I shouldn’t have spoken so quick but I’ve reached the point where I don’t look for stories like these to appear anywhere except MW and the like. That’s really sad btw.

      • Boomer
        August 14, 2016, 3:39 pm

        @ Marnie: “I’ve reached the point where I don’t look for stories like these to appear anywhere except MW and the like.”

        Yes, the consistency of the American MSM on this topic is often amazing. Probably we should wait until Monday or Tuesday to assess the coverage, but I did check again, and only found reports in Israeli or Jewish-oriented sources, such as this:
        http://www.jta.org/2016/08/14/news-opinion/united-states/evangelical-lutheran-church-in-america-stop-us-aid-to-israel-if-settlements-allowed-to-stay

        On the other hand, in advance of the vote, there was this
        from Rabbi Michael Davis, Dale Loepp and Philip Farah

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-farah/evangelical-lutheran-chur_b_11369272.html

      • Marnie
        August 15, 2016, 12:07 am

        That was a good article on Huffpo Boomer – thanks for that link.

      • Boomer
        August 16, 2016, 6:55 am

        @ Marnie “thanks for that link”

        You are welcome. It’s early Tuesday, and my quick search via Google News still revealed no MSM coverage, but there is a nice story about efforts to keep the peace in Palestine in the Marquette Mining Journal:

        http://www.miningjournal.net/page/content.detail/id/645352/Keeping-peace-in-Palestine.html?nav=5211

      • Boomer
        August 17, 2016, 7:28 am

        It’s early Wednesday morning. Another search on Google News came up blank for MSM coverage of the Lutheran resolutions, but I did find a report in “The Jewish Week” that presents the Lutheran action as “balanced” and as an indication that “anti-Israel BDS” forces are weakening. Also, the article notes a recognition of Palestinian responsibility for “progess in the peace process.”

        Excerpt:

        “The Lutheran resolutions, coming two months after the Presbyterian Church (USA) adopted a report that representatives of the Jewish community characterized as more balanced than that denomination’s past resolutions, and three months after a committee of the United Methodists rejected four divestment resolutions, may represent a small move in some Protestant circles away from automatic support for the anti-Israel BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement and towards positions that hold both Israelis and Palestinians responsible for progress in the Middle East peace process.”

        Full article: http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/national/lutherans-moves-against-israel-seen-balanced

      • Boomer
        August 17, 2016, 12:36 pm

        @ Annie “jerusalem post covered ”

        Sure, and quite a few other Israeli or Jewish-oriented publications, as I noted earlier. Many of them are fine publications, no doubt (e.g., +972), but I’m not counting them as MSM. Most non-Jewish Americans don’t read them. Most Americans don’t realize that to understand U.S. policy regarding Palestine and Israel–and to know what is happening there–they can’t rely exclusively on MSM.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 17, 2016, 1:04 pm

        agreed boomer. just pointing it out. and of course i don’t think most americans read jpost, but i consider it part of the msm. it hasn’t been picked up by US msn tho… except i could swear i saw it reported at yahoo and i was surprised. but i don’t think it’s not there anymore. it’s gotten a lot of traffic here tho, it’s a popular post — albeit we are far from mainstream.

      • Boomer
        August 18, 2016, 7:04 am

        It is early Thursday morning here, and I once again checked the U.S. edition of Google News for stories about the Lutherans’ action. Once again I did not find any items in major, mainstream U.S. news sources, the kind most Americans rely on for most of their news.

        There were reports from specialized sources, mostly either Israeli or targeted at a Jewish readership. I saw a few others, such as the “Independent Catholic News,” “Mintpress News,” and what appears to be a Christian Zionist site.

        I did note one strange omission. Previously when I have done this search, Mondoweiss showed up at the top of the results. Today, I didn’t see it at all.

      • Boomer
        August 18, 2016, 10:23 am

        Postscript to my comment earlier this morning (Thursday).

        As a sort of test (either of Google News or of the MSM), I did a search on the U.S. edition of Google News on “BDS.” I know that the MSM in the U.S. do sometimes have articles that allude to BDS in the context of attacking it. Thus, I learned that Gov. Christie has signed an anti-BDS bill into law. But I learned it from the Jerusalem Post. I wonder how many non-Jewish residents of New Jersey read the Jerusalem Post? I hope they don’t violate the law out of ignorance! There were many results for the search on the first page, but they were from non U.S, or Jewish-oriented, or other specialized sources. (Unless you count “Breitbart Jerusalem” as a mainstream U.S. source, but even that was effectively a Ynetnews report. http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/17/gov-chris-christie-hands-bds-latest-defeat/

        Only when I persevered to the second page of results did I eventually find a reference in the WSJ (paywall) and in Philly.com, which points out that not only Republicans feel this way about BDS. It notes that “The legislation passed with overwhelming support in the Democrat-led state Legislature in June,” and that “Obama said in a statement accompanying a trade bill signed in February that his administration “strongly opposes” boycott campaigns directed at Israel.”

        http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20160816_ap_0703265c53ce47e8839c0eb00ce4935f.html

      • Boomer
        August 19, 2016, 6:41 am

        It’s early Friday morning, and once again I checked the U.S. edition of Google News for stories about this action in mainstream U.S. news sources that Americans commonly see. I expected that once again I would find nothing, and (given the passage of time) that I would conclude that nothing could be expected.

        I was surprised, therefore, to see that my search turned up an article from Newsweek. When I was a boy, Newsweek was one of the major elements of the “MSM,” and I still think of it that way, though it has had difficulties and gone through several changes in recent years.

        My surprise wasn’t a pleasant one, however. The article is actually an opinion piece by Elliott Abrams. That tells you what you need to know. Newsweek titles it “Why Are The Lutherans Attacking Israel Again?” It originally appeared as a post in Abrams’ CFR blog, where the title was an assertion, not a question: “The Lutheran Church Attacks Israel, Again.”

        Abrams doesn’t answer Newsweek’s question; he simply attacks the Lutherans, and in a Trumpian way gloats over their decline in numbers. (I’m not sure how reliable his numbers are, but that’s not important.) Newsweek “enhances” the piece with a video that, to me at least, seems as if it might be from Israel’s press relations office.

        For me, the days since I first read the story here about the Lutherans’ action have been a time of reflection on changes in American society during my lifetime. Changes in the MSM, changes in role of the mainline Protestant churches, and many others. Many of the changes are good, of course, but some–for me–are a source of melancholy. That’s what happens when people get to a certain age, I guess.

        I’ve no special insights to offer as a result, except to say, once again, congratulations to the Lutherans, and to all others (including those at this site) who manage similar accomplishments. It is a difficult struggle indeed. I appreciate their efforts.

        Newsweek article:
        http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-lutherans-attacking-israel-again-491119

        source blog in CFR:
        http://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2016/08/16/the-lutheran-church-attacks-israel-again/

        IBT, the new corporate owner of Newsweek:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBT_Media

        more about the new owners
        https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/28/newsweek-new-owners-background

      • Boomer
        August 20, 2016, 8:13 pm

        Well, finally, on Saturday evening, I tried Google News yet again, and finally found a reference to the Lutherans’ resolution in the MSM that isn’t an attack. PBS’s “Religion and Ethics Newsweekly” mentions the resolution, though the summary text on their website is so truncated as to be misleading. I hope that won’t be more fodder for the Zionists:

        “The largest Lutheran denomination in the US approved a declaration recognizing quote “there are no longer church-dividing issues” on many points with the Roman Catholic Church. The “Declaration on the Way” was approved by the 2016 Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Churchwide Assembly held last week (August 8-13) in New Orleans. The declaration comes as Lutheran and Catholic churches prepare to mark the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. The ELCA also voted overwhelmingly at the meeting to avoid investments in companies that profit from Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory and to call on the US government to end all financial and military aid to Israel.”

        from: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/headlines/elca-approves-catholic-lutheran-unity-document-urges-us-stop-aid-israel/

        As I noted a few days ago, Annie’s story here at Mondweiss initially showed up at or near the top of hits when I did a search on Google News, but it disappeared a few days ago. I’ve tried various excerpts from her story as search strings, but I haven’t been able to bring it up at all in Google News. Yet, depending on the search terms I have used, I often get older stories on other subjects. Does anyone know why this would be the case?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 20, 2016, 9:54 pm

        thanks boomer! oh look, newsweek features elliot abrams to write about it!

        http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-lutherans-attacking-israel-again-491119

        WHY ARE THE LUTHERANS ATTACKING ISRAEL AGAIN?

        and this is fun:

        God’s Punishing Louisiana With Floods for Church Resolution

        A Hebrew radio host claims the atrocious Louisiana floods are God’s punishment for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America’s demand to empower Palestine and end aid to Israel. ….”Folks are calling it ‘an act of God.’ I wonder what got Him stirred up? Connect those dots!” The Hebrew News radio host said.

        The flood has displaced more than 86,000 people who are now asking for aid. The storm is the worst since Super Storm Sandy hit the East Coast in 2012, and the damage supersedes that of Hurricane Katrina.

      • Boomer
        August 20, 2016, 10:03 pm

        PS re PBS “Religion and Ethics Weekly” coverage of the Lutherans conference. I had assumed that the text I quoted above was just a summary of a longer discussion, but it actually comprised all that was said about the matter. The program is generally well-intentioned, I believe, but this borders on journalistic malpractice. It does not constitute the kind of coverage that would redeem the MSM on this subject. I hope that good coverage exists, and that I somehow missed it.

        The program also mentioned that the GOP is campaigning in Israel, trying to attract dual citizens eligible to vote in the U.S. election. It said that about 100,000 Israeli-Americans voted in the last election, and that about 85% of them voted Republican. They believe that the potential number of voters there is 300,000-400,000. The announcer said that some Israelis are concerned about anti-semitic statements made by some Trump supporters.

  9. lonely rico
    August 14, 2016, 10:38 am

    Wonderful news !

    Leading the initiative was Isaiah 58, a group of ELCA Lutherans who “advocate for a more engaged church response to calls from Palestinians for an end to Israel’s occupation and a just peace for both Israel and Palestine

    I encourage you all to write a note of appreciation to these folks who worked for and achieved this important initiative –

    deloepp@gmail.com
    DaleL@Berkeley.edu

    > jon s

    According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel.

    In 1945 the combined effort of the Soviet Union, the UK, US etc. managed to abolish the 3rd Reich; rid the world of a horror that had destroyed so much and so many lives. Germany was a far better place as a result.

  10. lonely rico
    August 14, 2016, 10:53 am

    Wonderful news !

    Leading the initiative was Isaiah 58, a group of ELCA Lutherans who “advocate for a more engaged church response to calls from Palestinians for an end to Israel’s occupation and a just peace for both Israel and Palestine

    I encourage you all to write a note of appreciation to the people who worked for and achieved this important initiative –

    DaleL@Berkeley.edu
    or
    deloepp@gmail.com

    > jon s

    According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel.

    In 1945 the combined effort of the Soviet Union, the UK, US etc. managed to abolish the 3rd Reich; rid the world of a horror that had destroyed so much and so many lives. Germany was a far better place as a result.

  11. MaxNarr
    August 14, 2016, 11:36 am

    Never forget that Martin Luther urged his followers to burn all synagogues in Germany to the ground.

    • Talkback
      August 15, 2016, 4:38 am

      Say MaxNarr, who inspired Jews to destroy more than 1000 religious places and 500 villages and expell more than a million Nonjews within the crime of settler colonialism? Btw. I’m not talking about bible times.

      • talknic
        August 15, 2016, 8:47 am

        @ Talkback

        You have to feel sorry for the poor schmuck who takes the MaxNarr shift

        “OK, who’s doin’ th’ MaxNarr shift? “

        “No sir, never again “

        “Nor me. Act real stupid and say idiotic nonsense? No sir ““Why don’t you do it yourself? Max was your stupid idea? Ha ha ha ha !!! “

        “I’ll pay you double!”

        “Is that all? … No sir!”“Nor me! Try Mooser over at MW! Ha ha ha ha !!!

        “F*ck all of youze, I’ll do it myself!”

        “LOL. You always do. “

    • talknic
      August 15, 2016, 8:36 am

      Exactly what is MaxNarr trying to say @ August 14, 2016, 11:36 am ?

      “Never forget that Martin Luther urged his followers to burn all synagogues in Germany to the ground”

      That justifies Israel being in breach of International Law?

      The Lutheran Church must now either remain silent or approve of Israel’s crimes?

      • Mooser
        August 15, 2016, 12:17 pm

        “The Lutheran Church must now either remain silent or approve of Israel’s crimes?

        Well, they owe us for Luther saying that one day when he was especially costive.
        And just think what the Catholics owe us!
        Remember a guy named “Leo Frank”? Well, pretty sure the Baptists will have to pay for that one. Northern or Southern!

        “Talknic” everybody owes us!

      • Mooser
        August 15, 2016, 6:04 pm

        “Exactly what is MaxNarr trying to say?”

        Gosh, I hate to see a master parodist go unappreciated. He doesn’t have to say anything, it’s actually better that he doesn’t.
        All he has to do (and he is the acknowledged master of this!) is create an impression of the person who is writing as “Max Narr”.

        And what kind of an impression do you get of “Max Narr” (and, “Max” hopes, all other Zionists and Jews from reading him)?

        “(&$#&(&*$%@#+|(!^(&*!!!”

        Okay, okay, I get it, it is not good. That’s what he is trying to do.

    • Mooser
      August 15, 2016, 12:43 pm

      “Never forget that Martin Luther urged his followers to burn all synagogues in Germany to the ground.”

      ‘Nuff said, “Max Narr”, I read you loud and clear! I’ll Google the rest.

      I bet all I would have to do is take out my lighter and strike it a few times and any Lutheran I am dealing with will crumble.

  12. Blaine Coleman
    August 14, 2016, 12:43 pm

    The abolition of slavery was a good thing. The abolition of the apartheid state of South Africa was a good thing. The abolition of the apartheid state of Israel will be an equally good thing, for the same reasons.

    I am sure every active promoter of BDS resolutions will proudly agree that the abolition of slavery was a good thing. They will also agree that the abolition of the apartheid state of South Africa was a good thing.

    I am sorry if the BDS movement is not unanimously and loudly for the abolition of the apartheid state of Israel. It is no badge of honor to want to preserve an apartheid state.

    When the BDS movement gets enough backbone to utterly reject the state of Israel, Palestine will be free. Until then, the shyness of the BDS movement will just add to the mountains of Palestinian dead. Of course, without the BDS movement, Israel would feel free to kill even more.

  13. Kathleen
    August 14, 2016, 12:47 pm

    Thanks Annie. another crack in the wall that Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and the ilk will not even whisper about. Too many Trump comments to report about,

    Although as Art Gish said years ago “Israel does not care about what others think. The situation for the Palestinians just keeps getting worse.”

    Certainly will get worse for Palestinians if Clinton ends up in the White House

    Sharing sharing

    • Marnie
      August 15, 2016, 12:15 am

      Isn’t it ironic though Kathleen, how although indeed the zionist state doesn’t care what others think, but as soon as others start to think, all we hear from the zionist state and it’s enablers is the self-pity as per the hophni, dabkr, and the jons et al is that the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. ”

      Is there any other way to end this? I don’t think so. Apartheid South Africa was abolished too. There is no other way. (Duh) What the jons, netanyahooos, et all, is conflate the abolishment of the state of Israel with their personal deaths and destruction and that’s NOT the goal of BDS. Are the zionists to afraid to share equal footing with Palestinians or anyone else for that matter, that they’d rather kill themselves?

      • Kathleen
        August 15, 2016, 3:45 pm

        Really is true that Israel has become their own worst enemy. With Clinton as President situation can only become even more horrific…if that is possible.

  14. Kay24
    August 14, 2016, 4:37 pm

    The occupiers must be feeling threatened, or else why would they have a hotline asking for their mindless minions to report BDS activities?

    “Israeli newspaper Ynet reported that an Israeli settler non-profit, Lev HaOlam (Heart of the World), has organized an informant hotline for people to report information on international activists that support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement. The hotline’s primary aim is to preemptively warn the Israeli authorities of such activists’ arrival to Israeli territory so that they can be deported.”

    http://www.alternativenews.org/index.php/headlines/161-hello-i-d-like-to-report-a-bds-activist

    • Boomer
      August 15, 2016, 5:52 am

      re: “The [anti-BDS] hotline’s primary aim is to preemptively warn the Israeli authorities of such activists’ arrival to Israeli territory so that they can be deported.”

      One wonders what the secondary aims may include. Zionists’ activities aren’t limited to Israel.

      • Kay24
        August 15, 2016, 6:58 am

        Of course not. They are working feverishly to end all BDS movements around the world especially in the US and in Canada. They must be pouring in millions of shekels to do so.
        Again, it could be considered US tax dollars the amounts we keep showering on them.

  15. David Plimpton
    August 14, 2016, 8:21 pm

    Truly wonderful, encouraging and hopeful news.

    I hope this will help unfavorable publicity grow about Israel and the Israel Lobby and will make people realize charity begins at home. Maybe the American populace will start to connect the dots between all the money we spend abroad and the resulting inability to address serious problems right here in the good old U. S. of A., and finally will awake to what things like BDS and the Lutheran resolutions demonstrate, including the power the Israel Lobby and most American politicians exercise to the detriment of the American people as a whole.

    The voters may then demand, as a vote for Jill Stein and the Green Party would start to do, that the U. S., with all its power, send a more unvarnished message, such as: No country, not even the U.S., has a right to exist. It exists because it has taken steps to protect itself. That’s what the U. S. has done. That’s what Israel should do, instead of hiding behind the U.S. and private supporters like AIPAC and the Israel Lobby.

    Now that would be an actual existential threat to Israel. It has shown for decades it is unreasonable by not solving one of the greatest problems in the Middle East and threats to security worldwide, the Palestinian situation, in a way which recognizes the rights of and protects the Palestinians, thereby working toward Israel’s own long-term viability. And the U.S has enabled Israel, so it can continue its tantrums and worse, like a spoiled child.

    Israel needs the stick as well as the carrot. Israel is feasting on carrots from the U.S. to the tune of billions and almost unlimited affirmation and media support. They have no incentive to work out a framework for resolution of the conflict, even one which will benefit it in the long run.

    The Lutheran resolutions start to show what the carrot can look like. They point the way for the U.S. to cut off monetary aid, weapons sales, trade and other things until Israel gives the Palestinians their rightful land, including pulling back the settlements.

    I salute the Lutherans for their courageous, groundbreaking action.

    See link to jill2016.com

    • jaspeace2day
      August 15, 2016, 5:07 pm

      Jill gives me hope…just have to get her up to 15% so she can attend the debates and she will surly lay waste to donald & hillary! Although most college students say they don’t need Jill to be at the debates or to even watch the side-show attractions as they’ve already heard all they need to elect her with “42 million students saddled with devastating debt.”

  16. JoeSmack
    August 15, 2016, 12:16 am

    It is great but what does this say for “BDS”? The Church explicitly reaffirms the two-state solution and there is literally 0 mention of the refugees. I don’t mind the former, but the demands we make are what will decide when the investments are put back into place. Efforts like this essentially mean that a just settlement for the refugee population is not necessary before the Church begins investing in Israel or resuming calls for US support for Israel again. It also shows that the people who are in charge of much of this kind of activism (US Campaign, Anna Baltzer, JVP) do not consider that a requirement for our advocacy.

    I wonder how many Lutherans would have changed their vote had the campaign at the very least included some sort of rhetoric about UN 194. My guess is, given that it is a humanitarian matter, not much; but they have all but removed the Right of Return anyway. I remember a close friend showing me that for years, there was some sort of feud between Al-Awda (a major Palestinian-American refugee organization) and the US Campaign, apparently over the Campaign’s refusal to advocate for the right of return, which the US Campaign denied. And yet here we see them plastering their names all over a resolution that all but erases the Nakba. In fact the only place it is even mentioned is on the Isaiah 58 website in one of its informational sections; but in advocating for peace and so on, it is all about 1967. Hmmmm…

    • Annie Robbins
      August 15, 2016, 12:59 am

      hey joe, they put together 2 resolutions that worked and passed by an overwhelming majority. i’d call that progress. but shucks, the purity parol is always welcome here.

      • JoeSmack
        August 15, 2016, 2:53 am

        Yes, but what is to say that a resolution that actually mentioned the majority of the Palestinians wouldn’t have passed? Did they field such a resolution? It is not a question of “purity”. The simple fact is that when one boycotts or divests, there is an expectation that the boycott/divestment will “end” once certain demands are met. If the refugees aren’t mentioned, that implies that it does not need to be addressed before investment continues.

        The other issue is that a significant chunk of the “BDS” Movement very vocally shunned Norman Finkelstein for suggesting that it was not possible to get a large movement of people together without removing the refugees and recognizing Israel, as part of a 2-state solution. If this is a success for BDS and a sign of progress then those people who shunned Finkelstein owe him an apology and should be ashamed of their duplicity.

    • Talkback
      August 15, 2016, 5:04 am

      Joe: ‘It is great but what does this say for “BDS”? The Church explicitly reaffirms the two-state solution and there is literally 0 mention of the refugees. […] but in advocating for peace and so on, it is all about 1967. Hmmmm…’

      Not to mention the Nonjewish natives living inside the area in which the settler state grants them the right to participate in elections as if they could actually influence the distribution of ressources, fight for equality or anything else that questions the only demographic state in the milky way.

    • inbound39
      August 15, 2016, 10:44 am

      To be honest I cannot see why the UN does not suspend Israel until it implements 194. It agreed to do so in return for full UN Membership and it has never implemented any Resolution against it largely due to the American veto. All it has done for decades is whine about alleged anti semitism everytime it is called upon to abide by International Law.

  17. gingershot
    August 15, 2016, 12:16 am

    Lutheran Church calling for UN Security Council resolution!

    Obama is going to do it and the Lutheran Church is screaming for him to do it…

    Very important passage…

    ‘in coordination with the United Nations Security Council, to “offer a new, comprehensive and time-bound agreement to the governments of Israel and Palestine, resulting in a negotiated final status agreement between Israel and Palestine leading to two viable and secure states with a shared Jerusalem.”

    From Jay post link below:

    http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017MTM1QkU5RjlBRDdGNDI1M0IzRTJFRTk4M0E5NDE0RTc=

  18. Kay24
    August 15, 2016, 7:11 am

    US in $60 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia and SURPRISE ! Israel does not object.
    Isn’t it strange that SA and Israel are now in bed together?

    This sounds like big trouble for the world especially Iran.

    U.S. Announces $60b Arms Sale to Saudi Arabia, Says ‘Israel Doesn’t Object’
    Official Andrew Shapiro says U.S. consulted with Israel over course of sealing deal, which includes 84 new Boeing F-15 aircraft and 70 upgrades of existing Saudi F-15s.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-announces-60b-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia-says-israel-doesn-t-object-1.320307

    • Boomer
      August 15, 2016, 10:39 am

      re “Israel does not object”

      a telling phrase

      • inbound39
        August 15, 2016, 10:49 am

        It must have got rights from Saudi to use its airspace to take the shortcut to bomb Iran.

      • Mary T
        August 15, 2016, 4:01 pm

        It is a telling phrase. I guess we need Israel’s permission for any dealings we want to have with other countries.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 15, 2016, 4:49 pm

        yeah, anything to do w/the middle east “U.S. consulted with Israel over course of sealing deal” . i’m sure they got something out of the deal, like the understanding SA would continue funding the opposition in syria — or what inbound said.

        so sick of the neocons —

      • Boomer
        August 15, 2016, 7:29 pm

        re “so sick of the neocons”

        Aren’t we all (except for the Zionists among us).

        They are aptly named, in a sense: they’re always conniving, and effectively too. I have to give ’em credit. But it’s not really a new con. It is the same old con, dressed up in new wrapping paper sometimes, but looking quite familiar once you see what’s inside.

      • Mooser
        August 15, 2016, 11:34 pm

        “so sick of the neocons —”

        So’m I . And the chicken-soup hawks, too

      • Talkback
        August 16, 2016, 11:33 am

        The fact that Israel doesn’t object doesn’t mean that it dictates. There’s nothing unusual about coordinating foreign policies between allies.

      • Mr.T
        August 16, 2016, 11:46 am

        “The fact that Israel doesn’t object doesn’t mean that it dictates.”

        By itself, perhaps no, perhaps yes. But when you put in all the rest, including the fact that these ingrate parasites have the gall to “negotiate” how much American tax dollars they will suck out of the American polity — resources which otherwise might have gone to build schools and feed poor people and provide health care to sick senior citizens — all so that JSIL can run their racist Apartheid regime… well, the picture changes, doesn’t it?

  19. jaspeace2day
    August 15, 2016, 5:02 pm

    Wonderful news! The ball is rolling and picking up momentum for sure! Soon the blow-back will be tantamount to apartheid south Africa and we all know what happened there!

    • inbound39
      August 16, 2016, 6:39 am

      I think it is rapidly getting to the point that American Politicians are seriously reconsidering continued support of Israel due to rising public and global opposition to Israel. Israel is becoming too costly financially and diplomatically to either defend or support. It is damaging American opportunities too much.

  20. JLewisDickerson
    August 17, 2016, 8:11 am

    RE: “In overwhelming vote, leading Lutheran branch calls on US to cut off aid to Israel”

    IDIOTIC, CLUELESS AMERICAN SEZ: All this will do is increase the Israeli’s fears of abandonment, and make them even more insecure/paranoid than they already are. Also, as badly as the Israelis want peace, they will feel far too threatened to make the concessions that would be necessary in order for the peace process to be successful.

    Last but not least, as strenuously opposed as the peace-loving Israelis are to nuclear weapons, they will quite possibly no longer be able to resist developing them to make up for the weapons they can no longer count on receiving from the the U.S. thanks to the misguided actions of the Lutherans and their fellow travelers like the Quakers. Furthermore, the Israelis, cornered with their backs to the wall, might even decide that they have no choice but to occupy most of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Sinai peninsula in order to create a buffer zone.

    If any of this happens, you libtards will be to blame. It will all be your fault! You quiche-eating libtards will be to blame.
    You libtards will be to blame.
    You libtards will be to blame. It will all be your fault!
    You libtards will be to blame, like you always are.
    And, if Israel gets nuclear weapons, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will probably decide they need them too.

    It’s called blow-back. So, I don’t want to hear you libtards complain when Israel freaks-out and gets nuclear weapons as a consequence of their no longer being able to count on the U.S. being committed to maintaining their golden-calf-like Qualitative Military Edge (CME).

    Happy?

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