More than half of US aid ‘to entire world’ goes to Israel and it ignores our warnings on settlements — Kerry

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John Kerry offered yet another tough-love talk to Israel at the pro-Israel Saban Forum yesterday. The United States gives Israel more than half of the aid that we give “to the entire world,” and Israel simply ignores us when we warn it about new settlements.

Kerry: Every president, Republican and Democrat, has been opposed to settlements – we issue a warning today when we see a new settlement announced. Nothing happens. It’s ignored, a new settlement goes up. New units, new sales. So the issue —

Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg: You’re describing a situation in which you have zero leverage.

Kerry: I think we do – I think we do have leverage —

Goldberg: But they never listen to you.

Kerry: No, they don’t, and they haven’t listened on settlements, that’s correct.

Here’s how much money we give Israel to ignore us.

I’ve watched while we, the Obama Administration, have put $23.5 billion on the line for foreign military financing. More than 50 percent of the total that we give to the entire world has gone to Israel. We have just signed an agreement for $38 billion over 10 years, $3.8 billion a year, up from 3.1.

Goldberg, the new editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, played the innocent. He knows damn well why the U.S. government has no leverage over Israel; because of Israel-loving journalists like himself and Israel-loving donors like Haim Saban. He ventured that the two-state solution (which he did as much as anyone to kill) is dead because there are now so many settlers in the West Bank there can never be a Palestinian state:

MR GOLDBERG: Have we not passed the tipping point already?

SECRETARY KERRY: No, no.

MR GOLDBERG: Why have we not passed the tipping point? It seems like it.

SECRETARY KERRY: No, we haven’t, but we’re getting very – we’re getting – I’ll tell you why we haven’t. Because this is a function of leadership. It’s a function of belief. It’s a function of what choices are being put to the people of Israel. So let me —

MR GOLDBERG: You know how hard it is to move 10,000, 8,000 settlers from Gaza. You’re talking about 90,000 —

(This is further evidence for my prediction that Goldberg in his new incarnation as liberal American editor in the footsteps of the abolitionists will become an anti-Zionist.)

Kerry also protested that he has spoken to Benjamin Netanyahu 375 times as Secretary of State, to the point that his wife says he talks to Netanyahu more than to her. He hinted that the Obama administration may get the last word with Netanyahu at the UN Security Council:

Kerry: Because of this building frustration, you need to know they are any number of countries talking about bringing resolutions to the United Nations.

Goldberg: Will you try to stop the French if they do it?

Kerry: If it’s a biased and unfair and a resolution calculated to delegitimize Israel, we’ll oppose it. Obviously, we will. We always have. But it’s getting more complicated now because there is a building sense of what I’ve been saying to you today, which some people can shake their heads, say, well, it’s unfair.

Another innocent observes:

Whatever the UN or the US or Martin Indyk wants to do for the Palestinians, I don’t know why the Palestinians would want it. Here’s how Kerry outlined his vision of a Palestinian state:

this small little city state, which is what effectively the West Bank would be, demilitarized as it would be

That’s reminiscent of the famous line on the vice presidency: it’s not worth a bucket of warm piss.

Kerry also warned that Israel is “heading to a place of danger,” because of its own decisions.

But I do believe that Israel, because of decisions that are being made on a daily basis quietly and without a lot of people seeing them or fully processing the consequences, is heading to a place of danger.

And just as he had researched the 375-conversations-with-Netanyahu number for the occasion, Kerry itemized the number of settlers, and reminded the audience that Israel built the wall on stolen land:

But back then in 1993 [when Oslo principles were signed], there were 110,000 settlers in the West Bank. Today there are 385,500 or so. There is an increase – there is about 90,000 settlers living outside of the barrier. And the barrier, I want to remind everybody here, was established by Israel. That’s a line that was drawn by Israel – not necessarily a border, but it’s a line. It’s a reflection of a security line. Outside of that line drawn by Israel there are now 90,000 Israelis living in these patchworks of settlements. There are 129 settlements. There are about 100 outposts, and outposts, as you all know, are illegal. …

Now, these outposts begin as one building, two buildings, then they become a scattering of 10 or 15, then they become a, quote, “settlement.” And what’s really concerning about what is about to happen is that many of these outposts, most of them, are built on what is considered to be Palestinian private land. Now, since Obama became president, the population outside of the barrier in the West Bank has increased by 20,00 people.

Message, you’re on your own. You made your bed. But we might flip you the bird back before we go.

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  1. Rooster
    December 5, 2016, 9:53 am

    I think the message is less about giving the bird, and more about the United States’ willingness to continue to give Israel a very, very, VERY expensive, and bloody, rope with which it hangs itself.

    • JWalters
      December 5, 2016, 7:47 pm

      That’s also how I saw it, watching last night on C-SPAN:
      https://www.c-span.org/video/?419451-1/secretary-state-john-kerry-discusses-challenges-middle-east

      It reminded me of the conversation an employer has with an employee, giving them one last chance before firing them. The offenses are laid out specifically and clearly. If the employee does not then make a course correction, that’s the end. The employer can truthfully say they gave the employee every chance.

      Kerry delivered this message firmly, but also in the most sympathetic way humanly possible. I would call it “groveling” in a way no American Secretary of State should ever have to do.

      And all the weapons money this administration has given Israel solidifies their claim of having given Israel every chance. There will be no basis for Israeli complaints or further chances when the hammer comes down. The administration’s case will be ironclad.

      And all that weapons money will be utterly useless against international sanctions.

      • Sibiriak
        December 5, 2016, 10:34 pm

        JWalters: And all that weapons money will be utterly useless against international sanctions.

        ———————-

        International sanctions. Alright. Let’s suppose that one day they do come about.

        What do you think the conditions would be? International sanctions must come with specific conditions.

        For example, EU sanctions on Russia are conditioned on the implementation of a peace deal that Germany and France negotiated between Russia and Ukraine.

        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-germany-sanctions-idUSKCN0VP2AW
        https://europa.eu/newsroom/highlights/special-coverage/eu_sanctions_en

        So, if sanctions are put on Israel, it will be declared that Israel will have to do X in order to have the sanctions lifted.

        What do you think that X will be?

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 1:11 am

        You’re right, Walters:

        It reminded me of the conversation an employer has with an employee, giving them one last chance before firing them. The offenses are laid out specifically and clearly. If the employee does not then make a course correction, that’s the end. The employer can truthfully say they gave the employee every chance.

        That’s what it sounded like.
        But there won’t even be a finger-wagging, let alone a hammer coming down after these words.

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 10:08 am

        Sibiriak

        International sanctions must come with specific conditions

        You mean the way we used them on Iraq, Libya, Iran… ?
        As for sanctions against Russia, they preceded the Minsk agreement as far as I know.

      • Sibiriak
        December 6, 2016, 7:46 pm

        echinococcus: As for sanctions against Russia, they preceded the Minsk agreement as far as I know –

        ———————–

        I gave you the links for the E.U. sanctions– conditions for lifting them are clearly declared.

        International sanctions on Iran etc. had conditions. The US played politics with them, for sure. But an international agreement eventually came.

        Are you really so stupid as to suggest that international sanctions would be put on Israel without any conditions stated???

        You can’t be that stupid.

        More like, the obvious answer to the question of conditions is too unpleasant for you to stomach.

      • JWalters
        December 6, 2016, 8:30 pm

        Sibiriak,

        “What do you think that X will be?”

        Based on Kerry’s warning, it would include a cessation and reversal of land thefts, AKA “settlements”.

        echinococcus,

        You may be right. You certainly have the trend of history behind your conclusion. But changes do happen. Lincoln tried in every way to avoid the Civil War. But once it began he went in full bore.

      • Sibiriak
        December 6, 2016, 9:37 pm

        JWalters: it [sanction conditions] would include a cessation and reversal of land thefts, AKA “settlements”.
        ——————————-

        Bingo! International sanctions would be conditioned on Israel taking concrete steps to implement the international consensus regarding a TWO STATE settlement.

        All the major world powers-all the states that could put teeth into sanctions– the Arab League, and most all other UN members, are on board with that two-state consensus.

        Btw, China joined in to completely solidify that consensus earlier this year:

        Chinese President Xi Jinping […] called for establishing a Palestinian state within the pre-1967-war borders amid efforts by Beijing to assert its economic and political clout in the Middle East.

        Addressing the Cairo-based Arab League, Xi said the Palestinian problem “should not be marginalized.”

        “China supports the peaceful process in the Middle East [and] the establishment of a Palestinian state with its capital being eastern Jerusalem,” he added

        http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.698833
        ——————————

        The actual alternative to two states is not one democratic state, but rather either continued occupation/apartheid or Israeli annexation of territory +Palestinian fragmentation (Gaza linking in one way or another with Egypt, the WB with Jordan, or other such scenarios.)

        International sanctions and other coercive measures will be directly tied to the international two-state consensus. There is no way international sanctions will ever be conditioned on Israel absorbing Gaza and the West Bank to form a single state. Such a violation of state sovereignty and territorial integrity would be completely antithetical to international norms and anathema to the world’s community of sovereignty-loving states.

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 9:51 pm

        Sibiriak,

        I may be retarded but I am not stupid to the point of expecting any working sanctions directed at the Zionist entity with the current political constellation. Some nonsense, make-believe maneuver is of course possible in Europe, to throw a bone to the masses but not worth wasting time or imaginative power on it. Empty talk. If it comes to that, of course they’ll find some pretexted conditions for the boobies. Like changing the labeling codes for the post-67 occupied area produce, etc.

        The point being that conditions for the sanctions absurdity by US and an EU that is no longer anything but an appendage will be handled like Libya and the Ukraine for the foes, while the “sanctioned” friends (and most particularly masters) will only get encouragement and a comedy for the gawkers. If you believe in any of the “conditions” on comedy, go ahead.

        Sanctions on the Zionist entity with real effect are only imaginable in a totally different political constellation. For the moment being, all we may expect is toothless –already private boycott actions are still mainly toothless and are mainly directed to post-67 occupation only.

      • echinococcus
        December 7, 2016, 12:00 am

        Sibiriak,

        Count me in, too. I’m all for the two state thing –anything but continuing as is.

        And it is exactly what I was saying: the conditions for lifting sanctions will be that “Israel take concrete steps”.

        The concrete steps won’t be unilateral and immediate total pullout incuding all civilians, restitution of water and all natural resources, RoR to all originating within 67 lines, non-ingerence in Palestine militarily guaranteed by sufficient neutral country armed forces and by fully-fledged Palestinian armed forces, payment of reparations and what is usual in a case like this.

        “Concrete steps” will be starting talks and having “talks” for another 20 years while the genocide continues. If the popular pressure in Europe is huge (it ain’t) then they may request “concrete results” i.e. another Oslo accord. Period. Remember, these are sanctions and conditions to friends and family of the imperialists. In fact, to their very rulers.

        I have before me my dad’s 1945 model Borsalino felt hat, misshapen, dirty, stinky and full of the grease, smoke and sweat of the years in-between. I’ll eat it all without oil and vinegar if any “sanction” is different.

      • echinococcus
        December 7, 2016, 12:15 am

        Walters,

        Perhaps. But now that you mention Lincoln, even this most sanguinary of early US presidents would have pretended to be blind if Fort Sumter had been attacked by the Zionists. He would have been briefed by LBJ.

      • JWalters
        December 7, 2016, 7:50 pm

        echinococcus,

        Sounds like you might have an interesting time-travel story there.

  2. AddictionMyth
    December 5, 2016, 10:10 am

    Americans realize that Israel is going Jew-supremacist under Netanyahu. The question is whether we will realize that Trump is going white-supremacist. They use all the same tactics – the goal is to incite rebellion and violence and crush it, to justify a police state. Both in the streets and online. The trends are moving in both directions. I think the turmoil at G4S is a good sign, and I think the anti-BDS laws are a bad sign. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but my sense is overall optimistic. Dare I speak too soon. Great article!

    • xanadou
      December 5, 2016, 5:37 pm

      “Americans realize that Israel is going Jew-supremacist under Netanyahu.”

      Perhaps leaving Judaism out of the equation might be the better approach. Otherwise it suggests that all Jews are in agreement with boobooyahoo’s fascism, while a fair and steadily growing number of Jews regularly voice their growing discontent with israel’s policies. The better idea might be to supplant “Jew/ish” with “zio/nist” which is more accurate. Furthermore, the former invokes the phony response of “antisemitism”, a joke coming from the white zio-racists with not a drop of semitic blood in their white veins, but who gleefully attack the real Semitic people of Palestine. No?

  3. Ossinev
    December 5, 2016, 10:31 am

    For the past two years it seems to me that Obama and in particular Kerry have been pointedly signalling to Israel that the ongoing and relentless settlement enterprise is driving it down a single Apartheid state cul de sac. As the article points out the Yahoo and Co have been simply ignoring these warnings and effectively giving Obama and Kerry the middle finger. Not sure how this will unfold if a new Security Council vote scenario emerges before Obama goes. He might choose to use the vote ( ie abstention ) to return the middle finger. I personally doubt it and tend to agree with Rooster that Obama and Kerry will simply wait for the Apartheid State situation to unfold and then pointedly recall that “well we did warn you time and time again and you simply gave us the middle finger – you fully deserve all the s..t which is now hitting your Zionist fan”

    • echinococcus
      December 5, 2016, 2:36 pm

      Ossinev,

      Many different administrations have been “pointedly signalling”.
      Obama cannot return the middle finger courtesy.
      Also, “well we did warn you time and time again and you simply gave us the middle finger – you fully deserve all the s..t which is now hitting your Zionist fan” is unfortunately fantasy, not supported by previous history. Nothing done by the Zionists, including a successful genocide, will ever hit that fan unless US policy turns around (or the US is defeated.)

  4. Maghlawatan
    December 5, 2016, 11:00 am

    I think Obama realised at some stage that that there is no point in talking to the Israelis. They live in their own mythical world and understand reality only vaguely. God has given them Ha Eretz to settle. The Shoah is a complex explanation but it prolly makes sense in Hebrew. I guess.

    Protective Edge was the Zionist trauma complex in full peacock mode. Nobody could get through to them. Even Blitzer and MJ Rosenberg were disgusted.

    Nobody outside the Hebrew bubble sided with Israel
    the Israeli economy is not sustainable given the demographics. Why bother destroying your career by taking on Saban and the old guy with the Barbie wife? Just say yeah, yeah and let Israel swing when the time comes. Masada all over again.

    Such a long way from the banality of life in the Diaspora

  5. Maghlawatan
    December 5, 2016, 11:05 am

    By the time Yossi Israel realises what has been happening in English it will be too late

  6. broadside
    December 5, 2016, 11:08 am

    “John Kerry offered yet another tough-love speech to Israel…”

    I object.

    When is the phrase tough-love most commonly used? Intra-family. I don’t consider Israel part of my family. I don’t consider Israelis part of my family. The very thought makes me gag. If they were, I’d leave home, never return, never look back.

    Worse: whom are you more loyal to — your government? Your neighbors?? Or your family?

    The Times used this phrase years ago in an editorial on Ariel Sharon, that it was time for some tough love. No, it’s not. It’s time for ex-communication.

  7. Mooser
    December 5, 2016, 11:16 am

    “This is further evidence for my prediction that Goldberg in his new incarnation as liberal American editor in the footsteps of the abolitionists will become an anti-Zionist.)”

    One might think that every Zionist organization, and every Zionist would be watching Goldberg’s every word, alert for any slippage from Zionist, to non-Zionist, to God-knows-what.
    Or, they could give Goldberg the benefit of the doubt, and his record, and trust him to work it right.
    After all, why must there be a conflict between the two?

  8. yonah fredman
    December 5, 2016, 11:21 am

    Jeffrey Goldberg’s “responsibility for the death of the two state solution” is overblown rhetoric.

    Those of us who were roused to hope by rabin must grope for some answer. Fatah and hamas do not favor a one state solution. (To clarify, in theory they might not object, but the one state solution that is “near” passes through annexation, one civil code and only then with inevitable delay a right to vote and if all that works out, only then an openness to Palestinian immigration (aka return of refugees). Such an evolution can never gain support from fatah and hamas.) So if the two parties do not support the civil rights angle how is this a current tense hope?
    Meanwhile trump gives vladimir putin the green light to smash assad’s enemies and is busy on the phone with Taiwan and to pretend that Israel palestine is near the consciousness of a large segment of the US population is just false.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 5, 2016, 11:49 am

      to pretend that Israel palestine is near the consciousness of a large segment of the US population is just false.

      so you don’t believe in the results from the brookings poll? i watched the video of shelby, and as i recall he said that was one thing the 2 sides (dems and gop) had in common although they didn’t share the same opinion, both sides thought it was important. not the most important issue, but an important issue. so how could it be an important issue if it was not even “near the consciousness of a large segment of the US population”.

      • Citizen
        December 5, 2016, 1:47 pm

        Further, the US public is now very aware that the mainstream media is no longer an outlet geared to enhance informed consent of the citizenry–Trump has broadcast this loud and clear regarding how he was, is treated by the press; so how long before the public catches on it also applies to US-Israel matters, macro foreign policy matters. Case in point: the NYT.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 5, 2016, 2:12 pm

        plus, there’s ample evidence opinion about israel that’s not very carefully worded gets met by huge denouncement and pushback to the extent ordinary people often are reluctant to even speak about it for fear of being permanently labeled an anti semite. i know what this feels like to go online and hear hideous stuff said about me — one has to move on and not be afraid or live in fear. it places a shroud around the conversation. like weeds in winter that conversation spreads underground and when the rain comes and the exposure of sun it sprouts up in mass, and that’s what we’re beginning to see, hence the laws in place to stunt the growth. but it’s too far gone, they simply can’t change what’s in peoples minds. there’s too much exposure now and no turning back.

        as the howls of anti semitism continue (for virtually all criticism towards israel), while zionist racist are allowed to spew forth their vile islamophobia on pages of the main stream press and public broadcasts across the nation, the conversation will continue.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2016, 2:43 pm

        “Trump has broadcast this loud and clear regarding how he was, is treated by the press;”

        That’s because “facts don’t matter anymore”

        And Trump plans to make sure they don’t.

        “Until Pizzagate is proven false, it’ll remain a story”

    • Paldi5
      December 6, 2016, 3:24 pm

      Eventually Trump will have a look at US aid to Israel. He will want to “negotiate” the issues and hopefully land firmly on the side of a 1ss, one person one vote, a Constitution protecting everyone and move our embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of Israel/Palestine.

      • Mooser
        December 6, 2016, 3:47 pm

        “Eventually Trump will have a look at US aid to Israel. He will want to “negotiate” the issues and hopefully land firmly on the side of a 1ss, one person one vote, a Constitution protecting everyone and move our embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of Israel/Palestine.”

        You go “Paldi5”!! I can’t see a single contradiction in those aims.And all well within his powers.

  9. Peter Feld
    December 5, 2016, 11:35 am

    The Trump era will consolidate Israeli erasure of the Green Line and we can hope accelerate the abandonment of the two-state solution by liberal Zionist groups like J Street, NIF, and Ameinu who have been using it to confuse and distract from the push for full equal rights and an end to all Jewish privilege throughout Palestine. Hopefully Trump and Netanyahu will help turn all liberal-minded American Jews into anti-Zionists.

    • joemowrey
      December 5, 2016, 2:43 pm

      Peter,

      I agree. As terrible as things are going to be under Trump, we can at least hope some of the nonsense and pretense concerning U.S/Israel will be more difficult for so-called liberals to ignore. The same could be true in other areas as well.

      I heard it best described this way. Better to be dealing with a wolf in wolf’s clothing than a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And for me personally, I’ll have to say it’ll be a relief to be lied to and cheated and oppressed by a bunch of admitted liars, cheaters and oppressors than by a bunch of hypocrites pretending to be “progressives.” After eight years of that under Obama, I’ve had about all I can stomach.

      Maybe now all the Obamkins will actually stand up for their core beliefs in opposition to Trump instead of rolling over. I’m betting that a lot of stuff that was just fine when Obama and the corporate Dems did it probably won’t sit so well with the faux-progressives when Trump does it.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2016, 3:11 pm

        “After eight years of that under Obama, I’ve had about all I can stomach.”

        Well, at least Trump will take away that phony Medicare, ACA, and Social Security.

        And no doubt tens of millions of people with pre-existing conditions will be glad to be denied insurance again. What on earth made Obama think he could get away with that, and screw all the little hard-working Americans who run health-insurance companies?

        “I’m betting that a lot of stuff that was just fine when Obama and the corporate Dems did it probably won’t sit so well with the faux-progressives when Trump does it”

        Sure, all the Dems, especially Obama, used the Presidency to leverage their personal-name-brand companies. That’s why all foreign dignitaries make sure to stay at the Obama Plaza in Washington, DC.

  10. Annie Robbins
    December 5, 2016, 11:42 am

    If it’s a biased and unfair and a resolution calculated to delegitimize Israel, we’ll oppose it. –

    and if it’s not biased and unfair?

    • eljay
      December 5, 2016, 12:09 pm

      || Annie Robbins: If it’s a biased and unfair and a resolution calculated to delegitimize Israel, we’ll oppose it.

      and if it’s not biased and unfair? ||

      It’s interesting that he’s prepared to oppose any “biased and unfair” (whatever that means) resolution that delegitimizes Israel, but he has no problem supporting Israel’s self-(self-)delegitimization of itself through (among other things) its:
      – existence as an oppressive, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state;
      – occupation and colonization non-Israeli territory; and
      – refusal to honour its obligations under international law (incl. RoR of refugees).

      It’s like:
      – objecting to media reports that condemn the rapist; while, simultaneously,
      – defending the rapist’s “right” to “self-determine himself” in his victims.

      Which seems to be the “tone” Zio-supremacists like to hear.

    • JWalters
      December 5, 2016, 8:01 pm

      Kerry took the trouble to inject the “biased and unfair” qualification in his answer. It seemed to me he was thus avoiding a blanket promise to oppose any and all resolutions critical of Israel. This could be especially true for the criticisms he himself laid out in this interview.

    • Talkback
      December 6, 2016, 8:14 am

      Here’s a Security Council resolution the US didn’t veto in1980:

      “1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem; […]

      6. Strongly deplores the continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices and calls upon the Government and people of Israel to rescind those measures, to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      7. Calls upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connexion with settlements in the occupied territories;”
      https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/5AA254A1C8F8B1CB852560E50075D7D5

  11. MHughes976
    December 5, 2016, 12:03 pm

    Kerry’s remarks don’t express tough love but weakness and endless hesitation. A non-vetoed Security Council resolution at this absurdly late stage would simply make the whole long Obama presidency look cowardly and not worth listening to. I see no reason for the upsurge of predictions of a major change in American, Western or Jewish attitudes to this problem or of Israeli loss of power or confudence.

    • Citizen
      December 5, 2016, 1:55 pm

      Kerry is nothing if he’s not useless in this matter, as is his boss, Obama, Penny Pritzker’s boy to the end. Worse, he’s actively useless; he’s like somebody who has had nails hammered into his body and keeps working to ignore them, to pretend he’s a real American agent of progress. The cost to the US taxpayer is huge, Bernie-style HUGE, as is the cost to America’s good reputation in the world. not to mention he provides the paint for artists to put a target on every American grunts back, as our best military generals have told congress, yet our main media never tells the US PUBLIC. Some folks got rid of the WASP power elite, then they got rid of the “Arabists” in the State Department, and they have bragged about both, and good riddance–but who will free us from the new power elite towards implementing the best US values? I voted for Trump but I won’t hold my breath. John Bolton, the Weekly Standard Zionist Bill Kristol? They are still courted by the mainstream TV news pundits….Trump courts them too…

      • MHughes976
        December 5, 2016, 3:35 pm

        Absolutely, Citizen.

  12. K Renner
    December 5, 2016, 1:44 pm

    Israel doesn’t listen to America?

    Well, there’s a very simple solution to this problem.

    Cut off all aid to Israel. America is absolutely in a position to dictate terms to the so-called Jewish state; on Palestine, on Lebanon, on Iran.

    If Israel won’t play ball, then cut them out. No aid, no diplomatic support, nothing.

    Simple, if only anyone in America had the guts to do it.

    • echinococcus
      December 5, 2016, 2:16 pm

      Right. Let’s count on Goldberg (according to Phil Weiss a soon-to-be-ex-Zionist, yarright) and Kerry (antother ex, who protested against war with in the time of the dinosaurs, soon-to-be-ex-VIP) to mention something so simple.

  13. pabelmont
    December 5, 2016, 1:46 pm

    Kerry’s settler-count: “Today there are 385,500 or so”.

    Pfui! The real count is more like 800,000 (see below).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel says (as of 9/2016 ??)

    6,819,000 Inside green line All Israelis
    0,455,000 E Jerusalem Israelis
    0,345,000 Elsewhere WB Israelis
    0,042,000 Golan
    ————–
    0,842,000 Settlers total, 800,000 in Palestinian lands.

    (NB: More than 10% of ALL Israelis !!) The command — if it ever came — to remove ALL settlers would really scratch an itch, what?

    Kerry ? You listening ?
    Maybe his settler-count is just settlers moved-in since he last “read Israel the riot act”. Or sumpn.

    • echinococcus
      December 5, 2016, 2:08 pm

      Pabelmont,

      Kerry has already annexed Jerusalem and of course Syrian territory.
      But he is right in one thing, it all depends on not numbers but government commitment. In this case, certainly not the local government.

    • Mooser
      December 5, 2016, 2:57 pm

      Those numbers are ridiculous. Those figures put Israel between Austria and Togo in population. And there aren’t even a million settlers?

    • Kay24
      December 6, 2016, 1:22 pm

      When it comes to the math American leaders fail badly to count and calculate, when it comes to to the zionists. All crime is downplayed and so are the numbers.

  14. echinococcus
    December 5, 2016, 2:01 pm

    Mr Weiss,

    This is further evidence for my prediction that Goldberg in his new incarnation as liberal American editor in the footsteps of the abolitionists will become an anti-Zionist.

    There is no evidence of it anywhere in the paper. If anything, his pushing the story that the X00,000 shtetlers cannot be evacuated is evidence of rabid Zionism preparing for annexation and faster genocide. Also, your linked article provides no evidence but personal opinion (prediction.)

    • Mooser
      December 5, 2016, 2:28 pm

      “Also, your linked article provides no evidence but personal opinion (prediction.)”

      And Goldberg could prove Phil Weiss wrong any time he wants to, by explaining how the liberal ideas of the Atlantic mesh perfectly with his Zionism. Or he could say “Phil’s right, I gave up on Zionism.”
      But Goldberg won’t do either of those things if he can get away with it.

      • broadside
        December 5, 2016, 3:27 pm

        No, Phil’s right here. Big big difference between being a columnist, and an editor. I don’t think Goldberg’s too smart, but he’s not dumb enough not to see the writing on the wall. He’s in it for himself now. That means cutting Zionism loose. To quote Michael from Godfather II, “You’re out, Tom.”

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2016, 3:51 pm

        “He’s in it for himself now. That means cutting Zionism loose.”

        And I am sure Goldberg will make a clear and unequivocal statement to that effect.

        But remember, Goldberg and the Atlantic magazine can always say that Goldberg’s Zionism is congruent with the ideals expressed by the Atlantic, and is appropriate for the Editor. They can maintain his experience as an IDF prison guard will give him an advantage in relations with the staff, too. So it could go either way, unless they can make it go away.

      • broadside
        December 5, 2016, 4:18 pm

        “Mooser” : “And I am sure Goldberg will make a clear and unequivocal statement to that effect.”

        Of course not.

        But when you’re expecting the person in the back of the room to raise his hand when they’re doing a count, and that hand isn’t raised….

        close enough.

        As a columnist, he could, and did, live and breathe Israel/Zionism. He simply can’t do that as editor. It’s not the position to “out-Jew the Jews,” as Bela Abzug put it. Out-Forward the Forward? -Commentary Commentary; -New York Post the New York Post?

        That Goldberg’s dead. And not being in the midst of it, he might get a clearer look, see how foul it is.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2016, 5:00 pm

        “That Goldberg’s dead.”

        I wonder how the Atlantic’s readers will react to a magazine edited by a cadaver. They’re probably expecting a live person.
        I’ve heard of employment “accommodations” for disabilities, but that might be going a little too far.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 6, 2016, 11:27 am

        Goldberg has 2 girlfriends. Ha Liberalism and Ha Eretz. They dont know about each other. And he has never had to choose. But he will.

        I think Zionists forget why hasbara is necessary. You have to pretend you care. Because people take you at face value. They assume you are like them, that you share their values. And you do , don’t you?
        And what is that child with the hole in its head and the brains sticking out?

      • Mooser
        December 6, 2016, 3:39 pm

        “And he has never had to choose.”

        Maybe if Goldberg plays dead he can get out of making a choice or dealing with the issue.

  15. Ismail
    December 5, 2016, 2:32 pm

    “and if it’s not biased and unfair?”

    Oh, Annie, Annie….any resolution of which Israel disapproves is by its nature biased and unfair.
    This is not an empirical matter, it’s definitional. That is, it’s logically impossible to mount a serious and meaningful criticism of Israeli policy that is unbiased and fair. Can’t be done.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 5, 2016, 2:47 pm

      it’s logically impossible to mount a serious and meaningful criticism of Israeli policy that is unbiased and fair. Can’t be done.

      no, it’s illogically impossible!

  16. gingershot
    December 5, 2016, 3:38 pm

    ‘The End of Political Judaism and 1P1V1S’

    WHEN: Saturday Dec 17 2016, 2:00 – 3:15 pm
    WHERE: Otay Branch San Diego Public Library,
    3003 Coronado Ave, San Diego, Ca 92154
    WHO: Dr Lance Dale

    Topics:

    ‘Welcome to the [Apartheid] state’ – Tzipi Livni Nov 16, 2016
    Livni’s surrender of 1- retained Settlement Blocs, 2- the Wall, and 3- ending of Palestinian Right of Return

    ‘Obama’s Greenlighting of the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel triggered by the Palestine Annexation Law/(Amona)’

    The 3 Existential Events (seen as such by Israel itself) for the Collapse of Israeli Apartheid:
    The Iran Nuclear Deal, UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel, and the ICC

    ‘The 3rd Israeli Generals Revolt (CIS) vs Bibi and the Settlers’
    -The Commanders for Israeli Security (CIS)

    ‘The Diskin/CIS UN Chapter 7 Plan and the Dismantling of Israeli Apartheid’

    The Israeli Civil War:
    ‘Obama and the CIS vs Bibi, Adelson and the Settlers’

    ‘1P1V1S (-One Person One Vote One State) replacing Apartheid’
    -Marwan Barghouti and 1P1V1S from Shining River to Shining Sea

    The End of Political Judaism and Kahanism in Israel and the US – Settlers, the Kahanist Alt Right, and the Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby’s Kahanist Islamophobia cottage industry

    ‘The Successful 2nd American Revolution of 4-2-15 and the Iran Nuclear Deal’

    ‘How the Israeli/Israeli Lobby ‘Clean Break Dream’ perished in Aleppo’

    Q and A after talk…

  17. gingershot
    December 5, 2016, 3:47 pm

    Kerry Saban 2016 Highlights:

    -Referencing the CIS Commanders for Israeli Security as the Israeli braintrust Kerry and Obama are listening to/talking with

    -Asking the audience whether Israel is ready for the Palestinian vote in the ‘Unitary state’ (One State), and whether it is ready for a Palestinian Prime Minister’

    -Leaving no doubt that today’s passage of the Palestine Annexation Law (which successfully passed 1st reading today) will trigger Obama’s greenlighting of an UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel. This was ‘Kerry’s tipping point’ for the end of the Israeli/Israeli Lobby farce of the 2SS which he referenced in his talk

    BREAKING: Palestine Annexation Law passed today STILL ILLEGAL- Times of Israel
    ‘Attorney general Mandelblit says outpost bill passed today STILL illegal, even without Amona – Despite compromise that dropped contested clause to override court ruling, Mandelblit warns revised version legally indefensible even as measure races forward’=Headlines at timesofisrael.com

  18. WH
    December 5, 2016, 5:17 pm

    “many of these outposts, most of them, are built on what is considered to be Palestinian private land. ”

    Note that Palestinians never actually own land; they themselves or others simply “consider” them to own it.

  19. Kay24
    December 5, 2016, 6:06 pm

    Kerry like so many other leaders is making lame excuses. Israel has taken the American people for fools – they keep sponging off us, and do not seem to give a damn to the fact that the US has consistently condemned illegal settlements, and do not respect what our leaders say. We seem to be nation of pushovers. We should be ashamed for allowing Israel to take advantage of us.

  20. ritzl
    December 5, 2016, 7:05 pm

    Maybe OT, but just trying something out here:

    Israel hacked our election(s).

    • RoHa
      December 5, 2016, 9:44 pm

      Didn’t everybody?

    • just
      December 6, 2016, 1:00 am

      It’s never really OT, ritzl. It’s more food for thought.

      Here’s Israel slamming the US again, just after the US Senate just passed their latest turd:

      “Israel votes to authorise illegal settler homes in Palestine

      Passage of bill to evacuate one settler site while retroactively recognising others meets with condemnation from UN and US

      Israel’s parliament has voted to retroactively legalise thousands of illegitimate settler homes in outposts built on private Palestinian land, in a highly controversial move described by critics as a “land grab”. The measure, which passed in a stormy Knesset session late on Monday, has been met with international condemnation, and has already strained relations within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing rightwing coalition.

      It comes in sharp defiance of a call on Sunday by the US secretary of state, John Kerry, who urged Israel again to rein in the construction of settlements on West Bank land.

      The bill passed its first reading by 60 votes to 49, and still has to pass a further three votes before becoming law. During the debate, the opposition leader, Isaac Herzog, fiercely denounced the law by equating its adoption to “national suicide”. While the bill seems likely to have support to pass its further readings, it appears inevitable that it will be challenged in court.

      Israeli critics and Palestinians have described the legislation as a land grab that would further distance prospects for a two-state solution to end the long Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some high-profile political supporters, echoing that view, celebrated the vote by saying it opened the way to annexation of the West Bank and the end of any prospect of a Palestinian state.

      According to estimates by opponents – including the prominent anti-occupation group Peace Now – the new law, if finally approved, would effectively annex 55 illegal outposts and approximately 4,000 housing units in settlements and illegal outposts.”

      more @ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/05/israel-votes-to-authorise-illegal-settler-homes-in-palestine

      Funnily enough, I couldn’t find any “condemnation” from the US government, but there is this:

      “The vote was quickly condemned by the UN envoy for the Middle East peace process, Nickolay Mladenov, who said the legislation “has the objective of protecting illegal settlements built on private Palestinian property in the West Bank. It is a very worrying initiative. I encourage Israeli legislators to reconsider such a move, which would have far-reaching legal consequences across the occupied West Bank”.”

      How much more can and will the US swallow?

      It seems an infinite amount. History will not be kind.

  21. michelle
    December 5, 2016, 11:09 pm

    .
    one wonders if the way the world treats Israel is tough love
    what would the way the world treats Palestine be called
    .
    just how much free money does the world lavish on Israel
    directly and indirectly
    publicly and privately
    38 billion isn’t the USA total
    and what did/does Israel do in return
    .
    there’s a movie that talked about a kosher tax in America
    can’t be true can it
    .
    seems like the number of Muslim terrorists
    might be the same as
    the number of Jewish who don’t support Israel
    is there a poll to this effect
    .
    one can hear the quiet voice growing too little too late too little too late
    .
    G-d please help us we can do better we can be better please help us
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  22. xanadou
    December 5, 2016, 11:49 pm

    Hacked? Don’t think so, considering the insane hodge-podge of voting machines and fatally broken US voting system. But quite possibly skillfully manipulated from afar via the likes of Saban, et al. I rather doubt than even the zios could stomach the possibility of a clinton doormat for the next 4-8 years, whose servile submissiveness would likely hasten the rate of decline of US’s support.

    On a related subject, +972 has published/posted an interesting article “Nearly half of Americans support sanctions on Israel, poll finds.”
    http://972mag.com/nearly-half-of-americans-support-sanctions-on-israel-poll-finds/123472/
    The comments section is uncommonly rich (for +972) with opinions, some more shocking than others. I had no idea, e.g., just how despicable Stern (of the stern gang infamy) was.

  23. Marnie
    December 6, 2016, 12:13 am

    Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg: You’re describing a situation in which you have zero leverage.
    Kerry: I think we do – I think we do have leverage —
    Goldberg: But they never listen to you.
    Kerry: No, they don’t, and they haven’t listened on settlements, that’s correct.

    This conversation took place in a public forum? How embarrassing! Kerry and Goldberg sound like teenage girls. Kerry’s wondering why his ‘boyfriend’ (israel) won’t call anymore and Goldberg, the sympathetic anti-friend, who just wants to see Kerry be humiliated, plays along, partly encouraging, partly humiliating, as only an asshole ‘friend’ can do.

    Kerry: I gave him everything he asked for, I mean EVERYTHING! And I get nothing in return! No call, no date for the prom! And I think I’m pregnant!
    Goldberg: Really, gee that’s tough. It’s like he used you and now you’re dead to him. I told you he’s a real dick. Guess he just wasn’t that in to you, hit it and quit it. Can I get his number?

  24. Ossinev
    December 6, 2016, 4:58 am

    @echinococcus
    “Nothing done by the Zionists, including a successful genocide, will ever hit that fan unless US policy turns around (or the US is defeated.)”

    Fully entitled to your opinion. It is though I believe the sort of despairing opinion held by many pre the stuff hitting the Apartheid South African fan way back then. As for the US it has just elected a mega spiv to be it`s next President and who knows where his Twitter fetish will lead him to when it comes to Israel. As for genocide out of the question not least because Zionists wouldn`t be able to sleep at night being unable to weep and wail all the time about their unique victimisation status.

    • echinococcus
      December 6, 2016, 9:34 am

      I don’t see it as a “despairing opinion”, but recognition of a pressing need to readjust resistance support to large-scale, general-population action in the US –where it counts.

      The genocide has been going on nonstop since 1967, at least according to the international convention definition; since the start of the first Intifada it has picked up speed and the turkey shoots make it full-blown. All it needs to equal other industrial-scale, famous ones is a slight push on the gas pedal. The Zionist never let anything get in the way of wailing –that’s not a serious objection.

      As for the megaspiv: you hit your head on the right nail. Not himself anytime, of course, he’s an ultra-Zionist as an adopted Jew but the people who can turn around US policy are his electorate. They are the ones who must be fully informed and indignant. Not something that “liberals” and tribals with their PC ways have even an idea how to.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 6, 2016, 11:37 am

        Russia knows the details of every single plane that takes off from Har Nof airbase . Israel can and will fight but the war has to be done within 4 weeks cos it can’t stand casualties .
        Russia might decide to shake things up a bit for leverage elsewhere . The liberal order is in trouble post the Trump election. Ceteris is not paribus. Yossi Israeli thinks Israel is forever.

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 1:29 pm

        Watan,

        Who were you responding to? Not to my posting, for sure.

      • xanadou
        December 6, 2016, 2:02 pm

        Echinococcus,
        The genocide* has been going on since before May 1948. Since then the volume of the killings is steadily ratcheted as the zios successfully test the world’s silent indolence. The “international convention definition” was likely created to divert from the world’s own two decades of cowardly wishful thinking that continues to this day, and was/is intended to “shame” the zios into reconnecting with their dormant/absent humanity. The latter, however, requires the presence of a conscience and/or sense of honour. All the zios have are inflated delusions about themselves; the result of life defined by a ghetto existence disconnected from the world. Why? Because Boobooyahoo and his musical chairs cohorts would never have been able to accumulate billion$ without the global tribal army of useful idiots ready to serve their masters.

        *The international legal definition of genocide is not defined by numbers but by the mental/intentional and physical acts:
        http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 8:39 pm

        Xanadou,

        That is indeed the international definition.

        I wouldn’t say that the Zionists have been directly on the hook before 11/1947, though. The responsibility lay fully with Great Britain.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 7, 2016, 5:08 am

        Échi you sound like a realist. And Zionism has power.
        But the ground underneath them is fragile. Yesterday in London the Brexit case was discussed at the supreme Court. The plaintiff was surrounded by bodyguards. The judiciary has been attacked by the press. The US has just elected a narcissist with the attention span of a gnat.
        US economic growth for the first half of this year was 1%. Stability is gone. Zionism needs a stable USA to function. It cannot deal with the light. The Zionist nightmare is an American leader having to choose between A and B. Which to dump. B is Israel.

        BDS won’t kill Israel. Events might

      • echinococcus
        December 7, 2016, 10:15 am

        Maghlawatan,

        The US has just elected a narcissist with the attention span of a gnat.

        The gnat seems to remember what got him elected well enough, consistently over 18 months or so. He just reaffirmed his basic know-nothing-like commitment to avoiding war when you can talk. And sell stuff, of course. And of course limitedly to some instances, not including Palestine (duh), but that’s still something.

        The Zionist nightmare is an American leader having to choose between A and B. Which to dump. B is Israel.

        You don’t seem too familiar with how it works in these here States –and it’s not Tel-Aviv (or the Jerusalem Extraterritorial Zone) that calls the shots re Zionist policy. There can be no such American nightmare except if the pitchfork-holding villeins so despised by the liberals decide that enough is sufficient. They are not on the record yet for having done that.

        BDS won’t kill Israel. Events might

        BDS by itself won’t of course, its benefit is mainly educational for the Western public (if, that is, it stops being seen as the US liberals’ reserved incestuous domain.) It has great potential in that regard but little else.

    • HarryLaw
      December 8, 2016, 9:22 am

      The Europeans seem just as unwilling to confront reality as the US regarding the settlement enterprise. “Such a bill [legislation before the Knesset] violates international law,” he said, adding Israel would undermine its commitment to finding a “two-state solution” – a Palestinian state in territory Israel captured in a 1967 war – if the bill were passed.
      Asked whether Germany and the European Union should punish Israel with economic or diplomatic sanctions, the spokesman said: “We don’t think that sanctions would be the right path in this case to make headway in the Middle East peace process.” http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/germany-israeli-bill-violates-international-law-161207134344500.html It is difficult to imagine what other war crimes the state of Israel is allowed to commit before ‘any’ action is taken. Israel is the ‘Wests’ child, [the black sheep maybe] but no one is allowed to ‘take punitive action against a member of our family.

  25. SonofDaffyDuck
    December 6, 2016, 9:48 am

    Having followed this issue for more than 30 years, I have only seen an acceleration: in the growth of the settlements; growth of Zionist support on Capitol Hill; growth of Zionist leverage in the all-dominant donor class.

    American support has been and is being swept along toward the ultimate acceptance of apartheid. And the Americans may find themselves shocked at the price they ultimately pay.

    To somehow suggest that there is a hope – sometime, somewhere – that the American stance will change is an increasingly futile exercise and a gross misinterpretation of how the levers of power are pulled and pushed in America.

    • echinococcus
      December 6, 2016, 1:35 pm

      Daffy Jr.,

      Oll Korrekt. It can only get worse.

      Except if (yarright) we stop looking at our own navels and get a very widespread education campaign up and running among the people liberals don’t talk to. In which case I realistically foresee not a change in foreign policy but instead extreme repression inland. Which also falls under “only worse”, I suppose.

      No way of predicting how the world turns after that, though. It sure won’t stay the way it now is, that’s for sure.

      • SonofDaffyDuck
        December 6, 2016, 9:54 pm

        You have, indeed, start with despair and work backwards. It would appear that only in this manner can you clearly define the state of things and use it as a departure point for new approaches. Denial has not worked over the past few decades

  26. just
    December 6, 2016, 10:22 am

    “King Bibi for a day: golden Netanyahu statue is toppled

    Tel Aviv residents queue for selfies with work condemned as ‘expression of hatred’, then accept invitation to knock it down

    The nickname King Bibi for Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long been in circulation. It refers to his reputed imperial tendencies, his political gifts and his taste for fine living.

    Now the conceit has been given a new currency via the sudden – if brief – appearance of a large golden statue of Netanyahu in Tel Aviv’s most famous square, satirising the prime minister’s years in office and the allegations of scandal that have surrounded the management of his household.

    Appearing unexpectedly overnight in Rabin Square, the statue, on a white plinth, attracted the attention of scores of residents who waited to take selfies. But Netanyahu’s ministers, rushing to denounce the guerrilla art installation, made clear they were not amused.

    Leading the charge against the work’s creator, sculptor Itay Zalait, was the culture minister, Miri Regev, a leading figure in the right’s culture war against Israeli artists deemed leftwing or too elite. She denounced the statue as an “expression of hatred towards Netanyahu”.

    For their part, Tel Aviv municipal officials ordered Zalait to remove the statue and said they would haul it away and fine him if he refused.

    The artist, who had said the installation depicted “the situation we find ourselves in”, complied, inviting Israelis to help “topple Netanyahu” from his plinth. It was a task which they dutifully carried out, with pictures later showing the statue on its side.”

    more @ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/king-bibi-netanyahu-statue-attacked-by-israeli-culture-minister

    Ah, well.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 6, 2016, 11:27 am

      wow, an incredible work of art, i’m impressed. re regev’s “expression of hatred”? apparently that’s the go to word used for every occasion by pro israel advocates. it’s becoming ridiculous.

      • just
        December 6, 2016, 12:10 pm

        Perhaps if some ‘other’ had sculpted the statue, it would have been labeled ‘antisemitism’.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 6, 2016, 12:31 pm

        oh yeah no doubt.

      • gamal
        December 6, 2016, 12:37 pm

        ” As to those who have taken to worshiping the calf condemnation will overtake them and ignominy in the life of this world………….but as to those who repent their Sustainer’s is full of forgiveness a dispenser of blessing”

        “the faculty of discernment” near the end.

  27. Mayhem
    December 6, 2016, 6:14 pm

    Kerry said, “But I do believe that Israel, because of decisions that are being made on a daily basis quietly and without a lot of people seeing them or fully processing the consequences, is heading to a place of danger.”
    There is nothing quiet about illegal settlement activity; one can read in the daily press about how the courts in Israel are continually thwarting the establishment of illegal settlements like Amona.
    In today’s ever more treacherous Middle East, Israelis need more persuasion than ever that relinquishing territory will bring guaranteed tranquility, Gaza being a case in point. And Kerry by his constant badgering of Israel over settlements to the exclusion of the other major road blocks to peace and reconciliation that exist could never have succeeded.

  28. Maghlawatan
    December 6, 2016, 10:37 pm

    The only thing that will stop the expansion of the settlement project is the collapse of Zionist power in the US OR the collapse of the Israeli economy.
    Israel suffers from stability bias. Because global politics and finance were stable in the past they will be stable in the future. So it keeps on building.

    The next financial crash could be a game changer. Israel bet the house on YESHA and has no margin and no Plan B.

  29. Dmesh
    December 7, 2016, 1:35 am

    Is this obama and kerry looking for a last minute legacy? Kerry only avoided war in syria by accident. ACA will be dismantled. Libya is a failed state.

    Last minute peace push with visible frustration? They let israel slaughter children for years, with their only responses being light criticism and more ammo!

    Palestine is a nation. No one can invade and settle other countries! A war of aggression is the highest of crimes.

  30. gingershot
    December 7, 2016, 5:08 pm

    My favorite part of the Kerry talk was when the insufferable Saban presented Kerry with the ‘Giant Silver Sucker Award’ as Goldberg and Saban laughed at this world class freier for being strung along for so long, yet even now still yammering on about his undying dreams for Israel

    After the talk schoolboy Lurch asked Haim – to even more uproarious laughter – ‘what happened to the missing stick’ from his nifty giant lollypop –

  31. kalithea
    December 7, 2016, 7:25 pm
  32. Kathleen
    December 8, 2016, 8:56 am

    “Goldberg, the new editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, played the innocent. He knows damn well why the U.S. government has no leverage over Israel; because of Israel-loving journalists like himself and Israel-loving donors like Haim Saban. He ventured that the two-state solution (which he did as much as anyone to kill) is dead because there are now so many settlers in the West Bank there can never be a Palestinian state: -”

    “played the innocent” nauseating, If Goldberg had any integrity he would own his destructive support for Israel, His willingness to protect Israel no matter how many international agreements and laws they were breaking,.

    It’s almost as if Goldberg was challenging Kerry to maintain the myth that a two state solution is still possible by acting like he does not understand how Israel’s actions and the support he and other pro Israel (no matter what they do) journalist, supporters have actually destroyed the possibility,.

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