Trump ‘promise’ to move US embassy to Jerusalem stirs international furor

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With Donald Trump about to enter the White House, there is intense debate around the world about a “promise” he has repeated in recent days, to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Here is some of that furor.

Many voices are counseling prudence. Like this ad in the Palestinian city of Nablus.

The Institute for Middle East Understanding has put together an excellent video on the subject, explaining why the matter is an urgent issue for Zionists, but illegal in the eyes of the world.

Donald Trump becomes President today. His plan to move the US embassy would legitimize theft of Palestinian land.

No other country in the world maintains an embassy in Jerusalem.

Nikki Haley, Trump’s nominee to be ambassador to the United Nations, said two days ago that she approved the idea, during her Senate hearing. Interestingly, the Associated Press began its report on her statement by saying the shift “could trigger more violence in the Middle East.”

Haley, Trump’s pick to be the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday that she “absolutely” backs the embassy move because that’s what Israel and congressional Republicans want. But a spokesman for Jordan’s government recently told The Associated Press that the embassy move would be a “red line” for Amman and “inflame the Islamic and Arab streets.”

Haaretz is also concerned. Its story describes “scenarios of worsening violence.”

Netanyahu Briefed on Scenarios of Violence Should Trump Move Embassy to Jerusalem

Prime minister isn’t sure whether or when the incoming U.S. president would announce the embassy’s relocation, but has told defense officials to complete security preparations by the inauguration.

This online polling conveyed by Jeremy Saltan, Israeli analyst, suggests that most Israelis do not take Trump at his word on Jerusalem, though they do believe that he will license annexation of East Jerusalem and other territories in the West Bank.

Do you believe that Donald Trump will support moves of applying Israeli sovereignty in the territories in places like Maale Adumim and Ariel?

48% Yes, 30% No, 22% Don’t know

Do you believe Donald Trump will move the United States Embassy to Jerusalem as he promised during the elections?

46% No, 41% Yes, 13% Don’t know

Another dissenter. Last week James Mattis, Trump’s nominee for Defense Secretary, said at a hearing that the capital of Israel is Tel Aviv, because most government offices are there:

[Sen. Lindsey] Graham put Mattis on the spot, asking what the capital of Israel is.
“The capital of Israel that I go to, sir, is Tel Aviv, sir, because that’s where all their government people are,” Mattis said.

Here’s Rashid Khalidi, commenting to Politico:

“Given how important the issue of Jerusalem is for Muslims around the world, and especially at a time when Islamist terrorist groups systematically exploit the Palestine issue, this will also constitute a potentially explosive provocation,” said Rashid Khalidi, director of Columbia University’s Middle East Institute.

Here is Tom Friedman on CNN last week, calling the idea madness:

The United States position is that the ultimate disposition of Jerusalem remains to be negotiated by the two sides, and until it is, we’re going to keep our embassy in Tel Aviv. Now, moving the American embassy — and this is an evergreen, everyone running for President tosses this out, no one actually does it — moving the embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, in the absence of an agreed upon solution between Israelis and Palestinians, I would call that the “Full Employment for Iran Act.”

Because I can tell you, Chris [Cuomo], the Iranians, oh, they would be clinking glasses over that because what the Iranians would then do is make a huge issue of this, paint the Americans as a pro, a basically fanatical right-wing supporter of the worst kind in Israel. And that would then embarrass all the Sunni Arab regimes. They would have to do something, enormously complicating, by the way, Israel’s relations with them, but also with their relations with us. This would put Egypt, Saudi Arabia in a very awkward position… This is such madness that it’s — it’s just — I can’t believe we’re talking about it.

US News and World Report has more criticism:

Sheikh Ekrema Sabri, imam of Jerusalem’s al-Aqsa Mosque, said the move would be tantamount to a “declaration of war.”

Last night Chris Matthews said that it would be crazy for Trump to follow through on the promise. He has been outspoken on the question, saying that Arab capitals could blow up with such provocation.

Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat has set up a website for Israelis to welcome Trump. Barkat’s video message to the incoming president thanks Trump for the promise to move the US embassy “to the eternal capital of the Jewish people.”

Here is Trump himself, responding to the newspaper Israel Hayom on Tuesday night:

Asked by the paper Tuesday night at the Chairman’s Global Dinner in Washington, DC — an exclusive black tie event for diplomats and members of the incoming administration — if “you have not forgotten your promise concerning the embassy in Jerusalem,” Trump responded that “of course I remember what I said about Jerusalem.”

“You know that I am not a person who breaks promises.”

And here is incoming White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, when asked the Jerusalem question yesterday:

“What I can tell you is stay tuned. There will be a further announcement on that,” Mr. Spicer said at a press conference.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is very excited. So is an Israeli developer, whose billboard wain  is encouraging the move in the Jerusalem photo tweeted by Haaretz reporter Uri Blau, below:

Ad in Jerusalem, from Uri Blau’s twitter feed

We’ll update as the day progresses.

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  1. scott9854958
    January 20, 2017, 11:47 am

    This is hilarious. All of the Trump bashers keep saying the guy’s full of hot air and won’t follow through on any of his agenda. Now apparently some are soiling themselves that he might ACTUALLY move the embassy. (You know, unlike the professional liars who say they will and don’t) And if he does THAT, what does this portend for the Mexico wall and the rest of his plans? Oh dear, the cupcakes may be in for a rude surprise.

    • eljay
      January 20, 2017, 1:02 pm

      || scott9854958: This is hilarious. All of the Trump bashers keep saying the guy’s full of hot air and won’t follow through on any of his agenda. Now apparently some are soiling themselves that he might ACTUALLY move the embassy. … ||

      He IS full of hot air and while he MIGHT move the embassy the embassy is still in Tel Aviv. Hilarious.

      || … And if he does THAT, what does this portend for the Mexico wall and the rest of his plans? Oh dear, the cupcakes may be in for a rude surprise. ||

      I don’t know, cupcake, what does it portend for the Mexico wall and the rest of his plans?

      Here are the new policy stances Donald Trump has taken since the election

      Eleven days after being elected, Trump has taken eight new policy stances on seven different issues.

      Call it the post-platform era: Trump ran and won a campaign in which he took 141 distinct policy position on 23 issues over the course of 511 days.

      • scott9854958
        January 20, 2017, 3:54 pm

        Wow, fascinating link. He said he’s going to build a wall and now says part of that wall might be “fence.”

        THE LYING MONSTER

      • eljay
        January 20, 2017, 4:07 pm

        || scott9854958: Wow, fascinating link. He said he’s going to build a wall and now says part of that wall might be “fence.”

        THE LYING MONSTER ||

        Easy there, cupcake. No-one’s saying he’s a monster…well, except for you.

        Anyway, the wall – which is now partly a fence – hasn’t been built yet, so I wouldn’t get too excited about Trump’s promises just yet.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 4:22 pm

        i think he already said it wasn’t going to be built across the entire border.

      • Mooser
        January 20, 2017, 4:13 pm

        “THE LYING MONSTER”

        Just terrible, what the Presidency does to people. Guy has been straight-arrow his whole life, but as soon as he gets an entry-level political job, he forgets the lessons learned at Mother’s knee, and prevaricates. It’s enough to sour my view of human nature.

      • Keith
        January 20, 2017, 4:40 pm

        ELJAY- “Anyway, the wall – which is now partly a fence – hasn’t been built yet….”

        Actually, a “fence” was constructed by President Bill Clinton after passage of NAFTA in anticipation of dispossessed Mexican farmers migrating to the US to survive.

        “Academic Noam Chomsky has said that Operation Gatekeeper was a “militarization of the U.S.-Mexican border” and alleges it was because NAFTA would have increased illegal immigration into the United States; therefore, Gatekeeper was a precaution to stop future illegal immigration.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gatekeeper

      • eljay
        January 20, 2017, 6:33 pm

        || Keith: … Actually, a “fence” was constructed by President Bill Clinton after passage of NAFTA in anticipation of dispossessed Mexican farmers migrating to the US to survive. … ||

        According to Wiki:

        The Mexico–United States barrier is a series of walls and fences along the Mexico–United States border … The barrier is not one continuous structure, but a grouping of relatively short physical walls, secured in between with a “virtual fence” which includes a system of sensors and cameras …

        Opportunity remains for Trump to complete his promised wall…that is, fence. And to make Mexico pay for it.

      • Keith
        January 20, 2017, 11:48 pm

        ELJAY- “Opportunity remains for Trump to complete his promised wall…that is, fence. And to make Mexico pay for it.”

        If he completes the fence, then he is completing Clinton’s work, surely something the Democrats should acknowledge and applaud? After all, haven’t the Dems charted the course for what is occurring now? As for making Mexico pay, what better way to undermine the odious NAFTA than to force the Mexican compradors to deal with the consequences of their actions? If not for NAFTA, there would be no torrent of dispossessed Mexican farmers. The problem is NAFTA and neoliberal globalization, not Trump who is but a symptom of the underlying disease. And, perhaps inadvertently, a catalyst for change.

      • Keith
        January 21, 2017, 1:23 pm

        Eljay, an addition to my comment of 11:48. NAFTA destroyed American jobs, pure and simple. NAFTA also decimated Mexican farmers by opening the door to cheaper HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED American agribusiness, hence, the flood of poor Mexican farmers literally forced to immigrate to the US to earn a living. If Trump eliminates NAFTA (wishful thinking?), then perhaps Mexican agriculture can be revived and many of these former farmers return home, which would be a wonderful thing. A sustainable society needs more farmers and less agribusiness. Forget the fence, oppose these “trade” agreements and neoliberal globalization which is destroying our society and the planet.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 20, 2017, 4:12 pm

      Jeremy Saltan, Israeli analyst, suggests that most Israelis do not take Trump at his word on Jerusalem

      oops, scott’s cupcakes.

      • scott9854958
        January 20, 2017, 4:38 pm

        “Easy there, cupcake. No-one’s saying he’s a monster…well, except for you”

        Yeah, your sarcasmatron is broken.

        “Anyway, the wall – which is now partly a fence – hasn’t been built yet, so I wouldn’t get too excited about Trump’s promises just yet .”

        I don’t do excitement with politics. I wait and see. But your “evidence” that Trump is a serial promise breaker or flip flopper is a joke of a story from CNBC that plays semantic games with words like “wall” and “fence” to make its “point.”

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 4:46 pm

        I wait and see

        really? because it seems to me like you preempted every other commenter on here with your top comment on the thread making claims about people soiling their pants and such. no waiting around at all. maybe you’re the cupcake who dodges and runs away when queried about sources for your (racist) declarations.

        anyway, congrats on your top comment, but if the threads anything like the last time you got your a** handed to you on a platter here, we’re not exactly shaking in our boots. i’m done here.

      • scott9854958
        January 20, 2017, 5:00 pm

        Pre-empted every other commenter? Is this your forum, Robbins? Who made you the arbiter of who gets to comment, and when?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 5:42 pm

        i didn’t say you couldn’t comment, go ahead and comment. all top comments, by their very nature, preempt every other comment on a thread. by preempt i meant making claims such as “your “evidence” that Trump is a serial promise breaker or flip flopper” when — i don’t recall eljay (or anyone else on the thread – yet) making the argument trump was a “serial promise breaker” or “flip flopper”. maybe you’re shadowboxing imaginary cupcakes?

        i noticed 3 minutes after i wrote “i’m done here” (meaning our exchange), you wrote you were done arguing w/idiots (downthread). anyway, i meant it. take the last word. bye.

      • eljay
        January 20, 2017, 6:18 pm

        || scott9854958: … Yeah, your sarcasmatron is broken. … ||

        Whatever you say, cupcake.

        || … I don’t do excitement with politics. I wait and see. … ||

        Yup, except for when you get excited and soil yourself.

        || … But your “evidence” that Trump is a serial promise breaker or flip flopper is a joke of a story from CNBC that plays semantic games with words like “wall” and “fence” to make its “point.” ||

        Meanwhile, your evidence that Trump – the man you call a monster – keeps promises and never flip flops is…oh, that’s right, you haven’t provided any. Cupcake.

    • Misterioso
      January 21, 2017, 2:55 pm

      Zionists will regret jumping in bed with their fellow thug, Donald Trump.
      There is going to be a great awakening in America and the world regarding Israel and the well document litany of horrors it has perpetrated against historical Palestine’s native inhabitants.

  2. yonah fredman
    January 20, 2017, 1:01 pm

    I think it’s a very dangerous move. It looks stupid and foolhardy.

    • Mooser
      January 20, 2017, 2:16 pm

      “I think it’s a very dangerous move.”

      Yes, but like Einstein said, we’ll be like a snail…

  3. just
    January 20, 2017, 1:04 pm

    “This is hilarious.”

    Nothing “hilarious” about it.

    Speaking of Jerusalem, it was simply mind- boggling that the first up to ‘pray’ @ his inauguration was Rabbi Marvin Hier! He spoke of Jerusalem and oh, btw:

    “Trump’s Inauguration Rabbi a Beneficiary of Kushner Donations
    The Charles and Seryl Kushner Family Foundation has donated $35,000 to Rabbi Marvin Hier’s Simon Wiesenthal Center in recent years.”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.762474

    • Annie Robbins
      January 20, 2017, 4:17 pm

      just, it’s for the wiesenthal center’s museum of intolerance built on top palestinian graves. part of what cupcake scott finds so hilarious.

      speaking of cupcakes, remember when scott got totally creamed in this thread claiming “Muslims commit terrorist acts far, far out of proportion to their % of the population”? and then he couldn’t provide any back up, no link or supporting evidence other than ineffective comebacks like ‘trump won, there’s my evidence’

      talk about hilarious: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/organizing-americans-registry/#comment-860097

      • scott9854958
        January 20, 2017, 4:49 pm

        Oh dear, Annie’s on the rampage again.

        Annie, just FYI, I never got creamed. You seem to have a special thing for getting in my airspace, for what reason, I don’t know. I rarely visit this site, while you seem to squat here 24/7.

        And yes, Muslims do commit terrorist acts far beyond their percentages in the general population. Why don’t you be a good girl and count the number of bona fide terrorist incidents since the year 2000 in the U.S. and then tell us how many were committed by Muslims. Then, do some basic percentage math, and compare that to their ~ 1% population level.

        I’m not going to do it because it’s too boring. And I’m done arguing with idiots.

      • Keith
        January 20, 2017, 5:15 pm

        SCOTT9854958- “And yes, Muslims do commit terrorist acts far beyond their percentages in the general population.”

        Rubbish! If one includes imperial state terrorism, then Muslims are the primary victims of terrorism. What in the West compares with the death and destruction dealt to Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen? Or don’t their lives matter?

      • Jon66
        January 20, 2017, 7:51 pm

        Well there is this report from the UN. Not exactly a pro-Israel organization. Of course, not all Arabs are muslims. It lists the Arab region at 5% of world population and 45% of global terrorist attacks.

        http://www.arabstates.undp.org/content/dam/rbas/report/AHDR%20Reports/AHDR%202016/AHDR%20Final%202016/ExecutiveENG.pdf

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 9:16 pm

        jon, i was interested in reading the context and couldn’t find the info. can you direct me to what page of the report it’s on. thanks. and do you think the wars we started there might be impacting that figure, as opposed to the ethnicity of the people.

      • Mooser
        January 20, 2017, 7:51 pm

        Good gosh, there’s the moment it happened:

        I love Trump and love his political instincts..
        scott9854958 http://mondoweiss.net/profile/scott9854958/#sthash.JNTVAUCA.dpuf

        And then every comment above that more and more clash-of-civilizations and Trump.

      • eljay
        January 20, 2017, 9:24 pm

        || Jon66: Well there is this report from the UN. Not exactly a pro-Israel organization. Of course, not all Arabs are muslims. It lists the Arab region at 5% of world population and 45% of global terrorist attacks. … ||

        There’s also this report from the “Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS)” – a “Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group” – which concludes that ‘the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.’

      • Jon66
        January 20, 2017, 9:33 pm

        Annie,
        Figure 8, page 30. It’s a graphic. No real exposition. When you get a chance read the report in its entirety. It’s quite depressing. The position of women is deteriorating rapidly.

        Without doubt the regional conflicts are worsening the situation. Ethnicity, culture, I don’t know enough about the Arab region to have that sort of insight. I still can’t understand how Trump was elected and I live here.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 21, 2017, 12:04 pm

        Without doubt the regional conflicts are worsening the situation.

        do you think the US using takfiri salafists (AKA “rebels”) to carry out their proxy wars might be a contributing factor to the growth of extremism within those regional conflicts?

        http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/05/why-hillary-clinton-is-responsible-for-failures-in-both-libya-and-syria/

        Clinton’s job, like most US diplomats, was to uphold the public facade that Washington is engaging in its usual list of honorable pursuits like ‘cease fires, ‘peace plans’ and protecting human rights – while simultaneously helping to advance a covert agenda that achieves the exact opposite: destabilization, escalation of violence, flooding the region with weapons, and of course, working to overthrow the government of Syria. We want to pay special attention to the weapons trafficking part. Clinton was pivotal – not only in coordinating with the Gulf states, but also giving political legitimacy to arming the “moderate rebels” (now commonly recognized as terrorists).

        Although the initial effort to fuel the armed insurgency in Syria was organized through Libya under the office of Secretary Clinton (which we’ll demonstrate below), later efforts were formalized through a series of large weapons shipments out of NATO countries like Croatia, and then through other US-sanctioned covert smuggling projects like Operation Timber Sycamore, where the CIA, with the approval of President Obama, organized weapons shipments into Syria via Turkey and Jordan, but with Saudi Arabia footing the bill for that clandestine operation. The New York Times confirmed certain details of this in January 2016:

        “American officials have not disclosed the amount of the Saudi contribution, which is by far the largest from another nation to the program to arm the rebels against President Bashar al-Assad’s military. But estimates have put the total cost of the arming and training effort at several billion dollars.”

        Perhaps the most important aspect of this story is this: it is absolutely illegal under International Law for foreign nations to conspire and trafficking arms into a country with the intent to overthrow the government of a nation-state.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 21, 2017, 12:13 pm

        it’s a criminal racket

        1. The institutional support by government and NGOs of Saudi Arabia and other members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) to Salafist movements across the globe including but not limited to Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Mali, Chechenya and many Western countries;

        2. The joint sponsorship and recruitment of Takfiri Salafists by the United States and Saudi Arabia in an opportunistic manner with little regard for war crimes and human rights, e.g., in Afghan Jihad against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, recruitment of Salafist Jihadis to liberate Syria from Bashar Al-Assad regime, removal and murder of Gaddafi from Libya etc.

        3. Both Quilliam and Carnegie downplay the Salafist threat to international peace by hiding its increasing momentum and influence, thanks to generous support from Saudi Arabia and GCC countries while the US conveniently looks the other way as long as Saudi Arabia remains a lucrative financial partner and politically subservient state.

        4. They hide the fact that Takfiri Salafis who killed US diplomats in Benghazi are the same lot who demolished Sufi shrines in Libya, committed Shia genocide in Pakistan, slaughtered postal workers and other government employees in Syria etc. They also hide that the USA and other Western countries are making similar investments in Syria, as they did in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

        Read Quilliam Foundation’s press release on the Libya attack and laugh. Do they really deserve wide publicity and financial support which they currently enjoy probably due to their connections with Western intelligence agencies?

        in fact, with all that sponsorship (billion$), one might even get the idea there was an actual objective to produce exactly the kinds results mentioned in the UN report.

        It’s quite depressing.

        isn’t it tho.

      • Talkback
        January 21, 2017, 4:54 am

        scott9854958 : “Why don’t you be a good girl and count the number of bona fide terrorist incidents since the year 2000 in the U.S. and then tell us how many were committed by Muslims. Then, do some basic percentage math, and compare that to their ~ 1% population level.”

        I found an article based on an FBI-Report regarding the time 1980-2005:
        All Terrorists are Muslims … Except the 94% that Aren’t
        http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

        According to the data of the FBI Jews commited even more attacks than Muslim. Now compare that to their world wide population.

        Regarding the time after 2005 I’m not convinced either.

        scott9854958 : “’I’m not going to do it because it’s too boring. And I’m done arguing with idiots.”

        That sounds very mature and intelligent and not like an infantile and cheap excuse at all. LOL.

      • MHughes976
        January 21, 2017, 4:40 pm

        As to the ‘Islamic terrorism’ that Trump promises to dismiss from existence there are serious problems in defining and applying both terms. There’s an article by Sandy Ikeda of SUNY, published by a libertarian group, which acknowledges these problems but suggests,,with some attention to the logic of probability, that it is reasonable to suppose that the probability that an American Muslim is a terrorist is around 0.2%. He cites a note by William Easterly (was it Easterley?) ) which puts the probability even lower and mentions, very sensibly, the related dangers which come from ignorant and brutal antagonism directed at some social groups. Ikeda considers that the chances of an American non-Muslim’s being a terrorist are around 0.002%. He does not consider the probability that an American may be involved in state terrorism, which would once again raise questions of definition.

      • Jon66
        January 21, 2017, 5:09 pm

        Hughes,
        I think the more relevant statistics would be the refugee population that we admit. In that subset we could have some actual data based upon Somali refugees we have allowed to enter here over the last several decades. We could then extrapolate to have an actual conversation based upon a reasonable set of statistics instead of fearmongering about the risks inherent in admitting folks who cannot truly be vetted.

      • HarryLaw
        January 23, 2017, 3:29 pm

        Yes Annie As you said in one of your comments on another thread, Joe Biden told the truth to those Harvard University students..
        With the help of then British Foreign Secretary William Hague, it was through the Friends of Syria that Clinton was able to create the political smokescreen necessary to coordinate arms and financial aid between the GCC and Turkey, as well as through the fledgling US puppet government in Libya in 2012 which no doubt included funneling ex-Gaddafi arms stock and Jihadist guerrilla fighters from Libya to their new-found rebel fighting force in Syria, a CIA-run covert operation which eventually cost the lives of Americans in Benghazi including US Ambassador Christopher Stevens. http://www.globalresearch.ca/arabs-under-the-bus-has-biden-grown-a-brain-no-hes-just-campaigning-for-2016/5406324

      • MHughes976
        January 25, 2017, 11:30 am

        Statistics on refugee behaviour might indeed be useful. Being a refugee must be extremely disorienting and demoralising and not all will react to the receiving society with gratitude. But the probability of anyone in any group’s being a terrorist is extremely low and there is a difficulty in understanding probability increments at this low level. Is it foolish to do something that raises a significant risk from 0.002 to 0.2%, the figure Ikeda suggests, if it’s something you want to do on other grounds?

  4. michelle
    January 20, 2017, 1:16 pm

    .
    see nothings changed ‘new’ POTUS
    and yet the USA is still Israels bitch
    .
    thought Trump might stand up to Israel
    but he is as weak as all the others
    .
    ssdd
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Mooser
      January 20, 2017, 2:11 pm

      “thought Trump might stand up to Israel”

      Strange, isn’t it, that after a lifetime spent devoted to justice and human rights , Trump fell down on Israel?

      • michelle
        January 20, 2017, 11:01 pm

        .
        just can’t picture;

        Trump puckering/putting up to kiss Israels ass
        again and again and again year after year

        Trump bent over so the real American POTUS Netanyahu
        can break him in/give it to him but good
        .
        after all America has/and hasn’t done to/for Palestine/Middle East
        maybe this is what we deserve
        maybe Trump is an act of Middle East terrorism
        .
        though i do ‘enjoy’ some/most of the lib./dems and all the bemoaning and crys for….????
        yet not a tear/or a word for Palestine in over fifty years ….
        oh my what good dogs they are …. not much diff. than Trump
        .
        Hillary would have been a slow boil to death
        no better just slower so many would go along w/o a fuss
        .
        so yes i will keep up with what sometimes seems like hopeless hope
        for the ‘Trumps’ and the ‘Trumpers’ big picture they all look the same
        .
        it won’t end until it’s
        every and all
        not just
        some and afew
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

  5. john douglas
    January 20, 2017, 3:20 pm

    Whatever happened to “America First?”

    • Mooser
      January 20, 2017, 4:10 pm

      “Whatever happened to “America First?”

      This is what happened to “America First”

    • Annie Robbins
      January 20, 2017, 4:14 pm

      Whatever happened to “America First?”

      it means america is first in line to kiss israel’s a**.

      • Mooser
        January 20, 2017, 5:06 pm

        “it means america is first in line to kiss israel’s a**.”

        No one can deny that the meaning of political slogans change over decades, or can be misleading. Maybe “America First” ain’t what it used to be.

      • amigo
        January 22, 2017, 9:41 am

        “it means america is first in line to kiss israel’s a**.” Annie.

        When Israel needs financial and political support , America is always First .When Israel wants to embarrass world leaders , America is always first.When Israel wants to illegally annex Palestinian Territory and garner international support , America is always first.

        I am told that Trump has a donkey farm , (Kushner is the zookeeper), deep in the bowels of trump tower , just in case Netanyahu drops by unannounced and demands a demonstration of unquestionable support for the Jewish (oh and democratic )state of “Greater Israel”.

    • inbound39
      January 21, 2017, 4:37 pm

      Before Trump can put America First he needs to cleanse the Government of those who serve Israel First. That may take him some time given the majority in Government are Israel First. A National search is also underway seeking out where America’s Self Respect has been hidden.

  6. lonely rico
    January 20, 2017, 4:36 pm

    Trump’s inaugural address – “Every decision … on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.”

    Nikki Haley, Trump’s nominee to be ambassador to the United Nations –
    … the embassy move [to Jerusalem] because that’s what Israel … want[s].

    Ergo, the embassy move (and everything else Israel wants) is being made to benefit American workers and families. QED

  7. Keith
    January 20, 2017, 4:54 pm

    While I don’t approve moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, we need to keep things in perspective. According to John Pilger, as President elect, Barack Obama gave the green light to Israel to implement Operation Cast Lead. I believe the stipulation was that it be concluded prior to his inauguration, which it was. Which was/is worse? When are you liberal Obama worshippers going to hold him to account? The New Democrats? The Democratic Party which has become the official party of neoliberalism and war? For cry sakes, look around and act like you have principles rather than blind loyalty to a brand.

    Link to Pilger video- Obama as Pres elect authorized Cast Lead (at 15:00) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46255.htm

  8. Talkback
    January 20, 2017, 5:18 pm

    Let’s hope that Trump is going to help BDS and to isolate Israel even more than Netanyahu does.

  9. DaBakr
    January 20, 2017, 5:40 pm

    most palestinians -except activists and the commenters here don’t give a rats ass if the embassy is moved to a lot in western jerusalem. either they don’t care because it will have zero impact on their lives or-if they believe that east jerusalem will be their capital one day an w.j. is meaningless.. palestinians are not so stupid as to not understand that the US ‘promise’ to move embassy has always meant the same thing politically and moving it or ‘promising’ to move it to w.j. doesn’t change anything. (except to far left wingers and obsessed anti-israel zionist hating activists.

    A) if they continue to be denied a state of their own-the embassy doesn’t matter as the struggle is not to build an embassy but establish a state.

    B) If there was ever a 1ss and palestinians gained political majority(as many dream)-their embassy would still be in jerusalem

    C) if there is a 2ss they will build their embassy in the parts of east jerusalem that become theirs.

    even the quran alludes to jerusalem being the city of the book people. only the irritated , hate filled , bilious zionist haters here thrive on making bogus intellectual arguments on why jerusalem is not or should not be the israeli capital. its almost as pathetic as the ‘quipster princes’ inane spurts.

    If anybody in the west started to count the number of times politicians hyperventilated about the “explosion” that will surely come if the west does A, B or C they would probably feel like sheep. Muslims are understanding a lot better how political leaders that do not have their interests in mind at all are perfectly happy to rile up parts of the muslim world into violent protests which kill who? Muslims.

    And IS is not bombing Germany, Syria, Turkey and Russia because of Jerusalem as much as some would like to bel;I’ve

    • Annie Robbins
      January 20, 2017, 6:04 pm

      only the irritated , hate filled , bilious zionist haters here thrive on making bogus intellectual arguments on why jerusalem is not or should not be the israeli capital.

      what a strange allegation dabker. by the sound of it you think only a relatively few mondoweiss commenters object to this move. that’s sort of wild.

      it’s my understanding the reason no countries in the whole wide world have their embassy in jerusalem is because the governments of all of those countries recognize jerusalem was unilaterally and illegally annexed to israel, and therefore is not recognized internationally as being legally inside of israeli territory.

      most palestinians … don’t give a rats ass if the embassy is moved to …jerusalem.

      wow, interesting. do you have any sources to back this up. or is it just your hunch.

      and when did the US ” ‘promise’ ” to move the embassy? do you mean trump?

      • johneill
        January 20, 2017, 7:28 pm

        i believe he’s referring to a bill (which i forget the name of) that each president since the mid-90’s has put off. there were some machinations afoot by congressional republicans to make another delay illegal, last I payed attention.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 7:49 pm

        thanks john, i know about that bill. a bill isn’t quite the same as a promise tho. a promise implies there is someone you are promising to. i’m not sure i would consider a resolution to move the embassy as a promise to the american people, because resolutions can be reversed with a vote (or in this case a presidential wave of a pen). technically, i don’t think promises are supposed to be broken. you never know. that would be more like a memorandum of understanding between two governments. i’m not a lawyer tho.

      • oldgeezer
        January 20, 2017, 11:20 pm

        @annie

        Too funny annie. In a very sad way.

        Duhlefthandcurvedweelerdohbaker doesn’t understand the import of the UNSC vote recently held together with the vast majority of 7 billion people which have decried their war crimes and vile lack of humanity.

        What a bubble he lives in.

        Madge your hands are soaking in it.

        Cue hophead to cry antisemitism.

      • inbound39
        January 21, 2017, 4:45 pm

        Israel accepted borders as defined by Resolution 181 and declared those as its Sovereign Borders. Jerusalem was not a part of Sovereign Israel nor was the West Bank, Gaza or Golan Heights or many other places too numerous to mention. The borders Israel declared in 1948 ARE STILL ITS ONLY LEGALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS AND IT HAS NEVER LEGALLY ANNEXED ANY OTHER TERRITORY. The Provisional Government stated Jerusalem was under Occupation.

    • eljay
      January 20, 2017, 6:23 pm

      || @aBar: … even the quran alludes to jerusalem being the city of the book people. … ||

      So now you’re taking the Qur’an as gospel. Huh.

      || … only the irritated , hate filled , bilious zionist haters here thrive on making bogus intellectual arguments on why jerusalem is not or should not be the israeli capital. … ||

      1. Zionism is religion-based supremacism. Do you love all supremacists equally or are you one of those hypocrites who selectively loves only certain types of supremacists?
      2. Jerusalem does not belong to Israel. That’s a very valid reason why it should not be Israel’s capital.

      • oldgeezer
        January 20, 2017, 9:35 pm

        @eljay

        Quite correct.

        Attachment, whether historical religious or otherwise, is not a property deed.

        If it comes to be I could look forward to the day that the criminal zionists make peace with the civilians that they slaughter and oppress and the world cedes part of Jerusalem as their capitol. I prefer to see it as an international city but the valuation of of basic human rights to all by the the zionist savages would be a wonderful thing and I would celebrate that day.

      • gamal
        January 21, 2017, 7:35 am

        “So now you’re taking the Qur’an as gospel. Huh.”

        the Quran does no such thing, while people of the book are mentioned a good few times, baqarra, imran, nissa, etc, there is no mention of Jerusalem, there is a pamphlet by Palazzi which butchers 101-105 al israa claiming it is 100-104,its not and it still says nothing and he distorts the passage about judgement, omitting part of 104 and mixing in the first part of 105 to mean “gathered in the land” via parentheses , pitiful.

        anyone is welcome to give me chapter and verse of the Quran where

        “even the quran alludes to jerusalem being the city of the book people”

        i can find no confirmation in the Quran that i own my house, which while unfortunate does not unduly concern me, god pays for nothing but he does “recompense” and all the while while not even existing best of schemers indeed.

        this kind of “abrahamic’ bullshit is insane, today Ibrahim would prefer the gompa to the churchmosquesynagoge, accidently posted was going to delete whats the point

        I have been reading a lot of American right sites, Skeeters in the white house and it seems he really doesn’t like your kind, any kind around here.

    • oldgeezer
      January 20, 2017, 6:34 pm

      @annie

      Indeed. Neither east nor west Jerusalem is legally a part of Israel. Both parts were acquired through the use of force and Israel has been constantly and consistently reminded that territory cannot be legally acquired in that way.

      Certainly the word has, in my opinion, indicated that it is prepared to acknowledge that all or part of Jerusalem is Israeli territory. While it has made such indications it is predicated on Israel completing a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Keeping mind that the Palestinians are under no legal obligation to concede a single inch of their territory.

      The rogue state of Israel and it’s war criminal acts participants and supporters crave legitimacy. They are deluded and off the hinge, as jackdoh clearly demonstrates on a regular basis, in that they refuse to do what is required to gain that legitimacy. Come to a peace agreement with the victims of their over half century of murder and crimes.

      Sucks to be an outlaw I guess.

      Trump may move the embassy but Israel won’t gain a shred of legitimacy and neither will their illegal claims. It will lower the US in the eyes of the word, however, as it will be standing against all of international law and the majority of people on this planet.

      It’s a shame that Israel has chosen to betray it’s citizen’s through war crimes, theft, murder and oppression. It isn’t even a beacon onto African hell holes.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 20, 2017, 7:58 pm

        oldgeezer, i read in a tweet from an israeli reporter about a week ago reporting on something that was said on israeli army radio. it was because the person tweeting was an israeli journalist that i thought it might be true. anyway, radio interviewed someone from team trump saying the ambassador would be moving to jerusalem but not the embassy building itself. hmm. so i am not sure what is going to happen. but i very much doubt, if we do move our embassy there, other embassies will follow suit. i think the US is already lost so much prestige in the world over our relationship with israel it’s hard to imagine how it could get worse, tho it probably will.

      • oldgeezer
        January 20, 2017, 9:29 pm

        @annie

        Well the loss of prestige is not all Israel’s fault. It has been a gradual decline from the point of South amd Central America adventures. SouthEast Asia.

        But Israel and the zionist cause has certainly perpetuated the downward path.

        In simplistic terms the perception is that a democracy should behave properly as the majority of people will ensure that. At this stage of life I am no longer convinced of that and not only because of the US. I will include my own country in that side of the ledger.

        I do believe the majority of people are good. I guess it’s too depressing to consider the alternative. Not enough care? Too many other worries taking their time and attention?

        Israel is one of the longest running human rights abuses. It needs to be addressed. One of and not the only one.

        No matter how lowlives like hophmi or jackdoh or duhbaker wish to justify such inhumanity it is one of the pressing issues.

        That decent people can support such a barbaric, inhuman and vile state astounds me. And Israel is not improving with age. It is becoming worse with each passing day as the murders and oppression mounts.

    • Talkback
      January 21, 2017, 5:51 am

      DaBakr: “only the irritated , hate filled , bilious zionist haters here thrive on making bogus intellectual arguments on why jerusalem is not or should not be the israeli capital. ”

      Oh boy, another acute exacerbation of paranoid psychotic state after long-term confrontation with international law.

  10. Ossinev
    January 21, 2017, 12:24 pm

    “DaBakr: “only the irritated , hate filled , bilious zionist haters here thrive on making bogus intellectual arguments on why jerusalem is not or should not be the israeli capital”

    So the known universe is full of nasty belching intellectually compromised “Zionist haters” ( have you been instructed by your team leaders to lay off the old worn out “Anti-Semite” card pro tem perhaps ). Would you believe it ? They should all switch to a healthy Ziodiet ,enjoy a settled stomach and develop an intellect.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positions_on_Jerusalem

  11. James Canning
    January 21, 2017, 2:11 pm

    Trump pledged to build a wall on US border with Mexico. I think Trump knows chances he will do this are zero.

    What idiocy, to declare in effect Jerusalem is Israel’s capital.

  12. Misterioso
    January 21, 2017, 3:36 pm

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/1.766445

    “Right-wing Jewish Defense League Celebrates Trump Inauguration in N.Y.C. Bash”

    “Bagels, wine and a Kidush are in order as followers of right-wing Meir Kahane gather in an office building on Times Square to celebrate.”
    Taly Krupkin, Jan 21, 2017

    This event and other examples of Zionist fawning over Trump will lead to significant and increasing mainstream American blowback against Israel.

  13. xanadou
    January 21, 2017, 5:03 pm

    If trumpty-dumpty is looking for an excuse to back out of his irresponsible insanity re moving the embassy to Al Quds, perhaps the current not-far-from-the-beach location might be a convincing argument. No?

    Well then, how about the fact that such a catastrophic move would likely become, in short order, a massive threat to US interests, i.e., a practical reason for remaining in TA. TA is the seat of govt agencies and other embassies. Embassies have for ages served as hidey-holes for spies and informal sites for international negotiations often involving third parties. I doubt anyone at any embassy indulges anymore in telephonic conversations when uber secretive/confidential info needs to be conveyed/discussed. Can the US afford to have the trust in its embassies compromised to benefit a nasty little country that has nothing but contempt for the US and its citizens? (rhetorical)

    Perhaps the implementation of the coming quantum computing will restore phones to their former glory, but for today there is nothing like sharing a morning jog or dog walk along the Med’s noisy wave line or a motorboat ride on the said Med. An American schlepping from Al Quds to TA for a tete-a-tete and hoping for secrecy is an invitation to an endless stream of disasters courtesy of shinbet and mosad (SB&M), further compromising and submitting yet more US interests to israel’s blackmailing ruthlessness well into the future. The latters’ interests are NOT US’s interests. Perhaps that’s the reason why and what the israeli govt is hoping for: more compromised info with which to blackmail individuals, including T-D and his hopes for lasting thru the next 4 years in his temp job, as well as threatening the interests of business and govt entities. The US govt cannot afford to provoke corporate wrath, nor does T-D want to expose his own future biz vulnerabilities to same. A nearby sniffing for dirt Kushner is a nasty risk in itself.

    Is trumpty really that dumbty to not recognise the trap? Is there really no one in his entourage, or within the intelligence circles who might want to invent a plausible excuse to back out? Then how about letting the First Yahoo know that it’s a no-go. FY will likely respond with unacceptable demands, which T-D may easily shut down with a threat of taking down all the well-known sleeper cells in this country and elsewhere as determined by those in the know, then deporting israel’s useful idiots who are running the cells, exposing the stream of traitors, 5th columnists and SB&M agents confident of disappearing off the NSA’s, CIA’s, FBI’s, etc., radars with the help of those sleeper cells.

    • inbound39
      January 23, 2017, 6:21 am

      As for sleeper cells….Why is the Jewish Defence League….populated by banned Kahanist Internationally listed terrorists allowed to flourish in America?

  14. Misterioso
    January 21, 2017, 5:29 pm

    The wheels are turning:

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170120-belgium-to-arrest-former-israeli-fm-for-war-crimes/

    Middle East Monitor, January 20, 2017

    Belgium to arrest former Israeli FM for “war crimes”

    Update: Livni cancelled her trip.​

  15. inbound39
    January 23, 2017, 6:17 am

    Netanyahu is no dumb bunny. Zionists may have started this whole conflict off by taking land that was never theirs to take and by ethnically cleansing Palestinian villages and slaughtering Palestinians but Netanyahu during his time has taken it to a whole new level. Infiltration of the American Government by Pro Israeli’s has never been greater than during his era. His open manipulation of the American Government has never before been seen to be done so obviously and insultingly by any other Israeli leader. He has also managed to point the flak away from Israel in many cases and landed it on Americas doorstep. The attacks on Gaza have been so horrific and the leaks of American armament being used so convenient that he has halved Israel’s responsibility by making America complicit in his nations crimes. He effectively is taking America down with Israel.

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