Zionism is apartheid, and worse

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Sometimes confronting the naked truth is shocking – yet sobering.

Israeli historian Benny Morris was alas right, when he concluded that

“[T]ransfer was inevitable and inbuilt in Zionism – because it sought to transform a land which was ‘Arab’ into a Jewish state and a Jewish state could not have arisen without a major displacement of Arab population”.

I believe every Zionist knows this, even if they have not meticulously scrutinized the history of Zionism as Morris and many others had done. They know it because their logic tells them that they should not reverse the results of this ethnic cleansing (which occurred in various waves, mainly 1948, 1967, in between, thereafter and currently), because it would endanger the ‘Jewish and democratic’ state that is a ‘must’ for them.

Everything that results from this logic is an extension of it. How to deal with the dispossessed, how to close them in, how to deal with their ‘aggression and violence’.

It was the late General Rafael Eitan who said in 1983, when he was Chief of Staff, that

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”

Eitan later joined politics and held various ministerial offices including Deputy-Prime-Minister under Benjamin Netanyahu, from 1996 to 1999.

So, it all becomes a question of how to deal with “drunken cockroaches” after the fact, after the fate of the dispossessed is sealed.

You cannot make this much prettier, although ‘liberal Zionists’ definitely try to.

It’s just a plain and awful logic. There’s a reason why many prominent South Africans as well as other intellectuals, including Jewish and Israeli ones, have marked Israeli policy as worse than South African Apartheid:

–        South African law professor Prof. John Dugard, former special rapporteur for the United Nations on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories, had written in a report to the UN General Assembly in 2004 that the Israeli Apartheid regime is “worse than the one that existed in South Africa”. Out of office over a decade later, Dugard regarded the Israeli crimes as infinitely worse than those committed by the apartheid regime of South Africa.”

–      Baleka Mbete, chair of the African National Congress, said in 2012 that the Israeli regime is far worse than Apartheid South Africa.”

–        Israeli writer and journalist (Haaretz contributor) Yitzhak Laor wrote in 2009 that Israel’s Apartheid is not only “worse” but also “more ruthless”.

–        Professor Noam Chomsky said in 2014 that it’s much worse than Apartheid”.

–        Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said in 2014 that it amounts to an Apartheid system”.

True, many of these appraisals limit the Apartheid system to Israel’s 1967 occupation, under the orthodoxy that if it weren’t for that, it would be alright. This is based on the idea that before and outside the 1967 occupation paradigm, Israel is after all a ‘democracy’. But this limited appraisal is a conceptual walling in of that occupation, much like Israel’s various ‘security barriers’.

Yet we need to see beyond this wall. Who is it that enacts this apartheid? Is it not the state that is behind the wall, controlling both sides of it? The apartheid also exists on the other side of the wall, in what is often called ‘Israel proper’:
Israel’s Palestinian citizens are not equal citizens. They are subject to some 50 discriminatory laws, not to mention occasional ethnic cleansing. Their dispossessed brethren are kept away because of Zionism, and it’s not a 1967 issue, it’s a 1948 issue. Even New York Times former Israel correspondent Jodi Rudoren admitted recently (though not in the pages of the Times, God forbid) that Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians looks “a lot like apartheid” – and not just in the 1967 occupied territories.

Israeli apologists often refer to the ‘Israeli Arabs’ as a minority that after all, enjoys a certain civil protection, in a region where such protections are not always present. But this argument is disingenuous on several fronts. First, they are a minority because the majority was ethnically cleansed. Secondly, they are not equal under the law, and they cannot be, because of Israel’s intrinsic racial character as a Jewish State. Thirdly, just because they are perhaps the most fortunate sector of the Palestinian people, doesn’t mean that they are its essential representation, or that Israel should get a pass on its more overtly genocidal policies (as in Gaza), only because it treats some of the Palestinians better. A jail torturer is not less of a torturer just because he treats some prisoners well.

As I wrote in my very first published article here, there’s not really that big a difference between Israel’s 1948 occupation and its 1967 occupation, and as I wrote more recently, that occupation is simply what we do. Israel has been doing nothing else but ‘occupying’ since the beginning, and this begs the notion, that ‘occupation’ is too limited a term to describe the paradigm of Israel’s Apartheid. The ‘occupation’ is not a limited or temporary 1967 issue. It is a Zionist issue. The occupation is Apartheid, because the occupation is what Israel does, and it’s a manifestly Zionist matter.

And all this is because, when looking back at Morris’s appraisal, the Israeli Apartheid stems from its settler-colonialist nature. And it’s much worse than the South African one, because it is a venture which sought and seeks to essentially eliminate the presence of the native Palestinians to irrelevance, rather than to exploit them as cheap labor.

As celebrated American author Ben Ehrenreich recently said, 

“[T]he attempts to erase a people, to just erase them, to erase their history, I think follow a logic that can only be called genocidal”.

We are thus seeing not only Apartheid, but also genocide, unfold before us, for the past 7 decades. It’s so egregious, that many can hardly fathom it, and so they recoil to an apologetics that amounts to: “Don’t exaggerate.”

But the logic of it is frighteningly sober. We are talking about the two gravest crimes against humanity – Apartheid and Genocide. They are being committed in the name of Zionism.

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  1. Paranam Kid
    August 7, 2017, 12:52 pm

    Just to add 1 more prominent voice to the South African ones, the reverend Allan Boesak in 2011:

    Israeli apartheid is worse, not in the sense that apartheid was not an absolutely terrifying system in South Africa, but in the ways in which the Israelis have taken the apartheid system and perfected it, so to speak; sharpened it. For instance, we had the Bantustans and we had the Group Areas Act and we had the separate schools and all of that but I don’t think it ever even entered the mind of any apartheid planner to design a town in such a way that there is a physical wall that separates people and that that wall denotes your freedom of movement, your freedom of economic gain, of employment, and at the same time is a tool of intimidation and dehumanisation.
    Source: https://craignielsen.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/israeli-apartheid-worse-than-south-african-apatheid-allan-boesak/

    • Jack Green
      August 8, 2017, 8:56 am

      Paranam Kid

      If Israel were an apartheid state, I, for example, would not be allowed to work for a Jewish newspaper or live in a Jewish neighbourhood or own a home. The real apartheid is in Lebanon, where there is a law that bans Palestinians from working in over 50 professions. Can you imagine if the Knesset passed a law banning Arabs from working even in one profession? The law of Israel does not distinguish between a Jew and an Arab.

      Khaled Abu Toameh (journalist, Arab citizen of Israel)

      • Misterioso
        August 8, 2017, 10:26 am

        @Jack Green

        Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for over a thousand years. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

        Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid. (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

        Adi Ophir, professor of philosophy, Tel Aviv University: “…the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself.” (1998 issue of “Theory and Criticism,” published in Israel)

        Ilan Pappe, then professor of political science at Haifa University: “[Israel’s] political system [is] exclusionary, a pro forma democracy – going through the motions of democratic rule but essentially being akin to apartheid or Herenvolk (‘master race’) democracy.” (“Jerusalem Report,” Feb. 14/2000)

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid]¬.” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

        “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
        EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

        Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid

        In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

        “Construction, Not Destruction”
        “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

        One example of apartheid within Israel:
        “Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
        Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)

        Re Khaled Abu Toameh:

        http://www.redressonline.com/2013/01/israels-palestinian-propagandist/

        “Khaled Abu Toameh, Israeli hasbara agent”
        By Nureddin Sabir
        Editor, Redress Information & Analysis

        EXCERPTS:

        “I discovered that Abu Toameh is symbiotically linked to some of Israel’s and the United States’ most right-wing, anti-Arab and neo-conservative bodies. One of these is The Jerusalem Report, which comes under the corporate umbrella of the Israeli right-wing Jerusalem Post Group.

        “Another of the organizations for which Abu Toameh writes is the Hudson Institute, a think-tank based in Washington DC. ”

        “According to Wikipedia, Abu Toameh is listed as a speaker for the Hasbara Fellowships, an organization that brings students to Israel and trains them to be effective pro-Israel activists on college campuses. The Fellowship in fact brought him to more than a dozen talks at various university campuses.

        “In addition, Abu Toameh has given numerous talks sponsored by StandWithUs, a pro-Israel education and advocacy organization based in Los Angeles with branches in New York, Denver, Michigan, Chicago, Seattle, Orange County, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, the UK and Israel. Among these talks was one given at their annual conference in Los Angeles in 2008.”

      • YoniFalic
        August 8, 2017, 10:44 am

        Lebanon has no obligation to make it easier for white racist genocidal European settler-colonist invaders to get away with their crime of genocide.

        I’ve spent some time in studying Lebanon. Integrating the Palestinians that fled the 1947-8 Zionist genocide of the native Palestinian population destabilizes the Lebanese state.

        However much Lebanese might wish to integrate Palestinians, Lebanon simply can’t.

        In point of fact, Lebanon did integrate Palestinian Shiites as part of the larger deal that made it possible for Lebanon to host a large refugee population. The integration of the small Palestinian Shiite population did not affect the Lebanese electoral system, but Hizbollah remembers (and its members should) that the white racist genocidal European invaders utterly obliterated the Palestinian Shiite community.

      • amigo
        August 8, 2017, 11:06 am

        ” Can you imagine if the Knesset passed a law banning Arabs from working even in one profession? The law of Israel does not distinguish between a Jew and an Arab. ” jacko

        You must try to get out more often jacko.
        Israel already made a fool of you.Do they pay you so handsomely that you suspend your self respect for thirty shillings Sad fellow.

        Here are just three of the 50 discriminatory laws passed by the “KNESSET”.

        ” 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

        1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

        In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

        The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

        In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

        In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.”

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel/

      • Talkback
        August 8, 2017, 12:00 pm

        Jack Green: “If Israel were an apartheid state, I, for example, would not be allowed to work for a Jewish newspaper or live in a Jewish neighbourhood or own a home.”

        How long how long are you going to play the stupid game that if someting isn’t exactly like South African Apartheid it isn’t Apartheid at all and ignoring the Crime of Apartheid as defined by international law? Having said that, Israel doesn’t allow Palestinian refugees to do all of the above.

        Jack Green: “The real apartheid is in Lebanon, where there is a law that bans Palestinians from working in over 50 professions”

        You obviously don’t know what Apartheid is. Lebanon doesn’t need to do that to Palestinian REFUGEES so that Labanese are the dominating group in their own country. Israel needs to keep Palestinians expelled to maintain Jewish dominance.

      • Talkback
        August 8, 2017, 4:49 pm

        Jack Green: “… live in a Jewish neighbourhood …”

        That’s actually not the true. The neighbourhood decides on this matter. And you know their decision.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 5:26 pm

        Misterioso

        South African MP Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe wrote in the San Francisco Examiner, “As a black South African who lived under apartheid, this system was implemented in South Africa to subjugate people of color and deny them a variety of their rights. In my view, Israel cannot be compared to apartheid in South Africa. Those who make the accusation expose their ignorance of what apartheid really is.” Meshoe made this statement upon visiting San Francisco, where he was shocked to learn of posters posted within the city comparing Israel to the apartheid regime in South Africa. He asserted, “As a black South African under apartheid, I, among other things, could not vote, nor could I freely travel the landscape of South Africa. No person of color could hold high government office. The races were strictly segregated at sports arenas, public restrooms, schools and on public transportation. People of color had inferior hospitals, medical care and education. If a white doctor was willing to take a black patient, he had to examine him or her in a back room or some other hidden place. In my numerous visits to Israel, I did not see any of the above.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 6:05 pm

        amigo

        Discrimination is not apartheid.
        Apartheid involves segregation.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 8, 2017, 7:49 pm

        jack, scroll down and watch the jonathan cook video, he explains the separation.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 9:14 pm

        Misterioso

        De Klerk [Former South African president who ended apartheid]: ‘
        Odious’ to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa

      • Talkback
        August 9, 2017, 4:21 am

        Jack Green: “South African MP Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe wrote …”

        Superb Jack, you just found another person who has no clue how the Crime of Apartheid is defined in international law and instead compares Southa Africa’s so called petty Apartheid with what Israel is doing without understanding the so called grand Apartheid which enables Israel to maintain Jewish dominance and the violation of human rights that come with it. Including the denial of the right to return.

        I have the strong feeling that you want to remain being ignorant.

      • Misterioso
        September 12, 2017, 8:52 pm

        @Jack Green

        “Odious’ to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa”

        Well, let’s check in with a real expert:

        To quote the following observation made by Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize recipient, Desmond Tutu (who certainly knows apartheid when he sees it), in a letter to student leaders at the University of California regarding the occupied West Bank, including occupied East Jerusalem: “I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid. I have witnessed the humiliation of Palestinian men, women, and children made to wait hours at Israeli military checkpoints routinely when trying to make the most basic of trips to visit relatives or attend school or college, and this humiliation is familiar to me and the many black South Africans who were corralled and regularly insulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government.”

    • Talkback
      August 9, 2017, 4:05 am

      Jack Green: “Discrimination is not apartheid.”

      Straw argument.

      Jack Green: “Apartheid involves segregation.”

      Yep, keeping refugees expelled and denationalized, because they are not Jews.

      But the Crime of Apartheid as defined by international law does not necesseraly involve segregation. Why don’t you take a little bit of your time to reads its definition on Wikipedia, before you make yourself look as stupid as any other Zionist Hafradaheid denier?

      • DaBakr
        August 12, 2017, 4:30 pm

        International law. if the so-called international law was ever seriously challenged it would not hold up . south africa instituted and defined the term. the palestinians want to define the specifically south african policy to suit their own needs as part of their legal war against israel.

        international law can state whatever it wants but major points have never been challenged in open court. their a many lawyers (and not all zionist) that believe judea and samaria can be successfully argued as legally belonging to israel or at the very least not illegally settled in any sense of the word. [yes there are many others who believe the opposite but the only point is it has not been definitively decided. neither has jerusalem.

        then there is the other point about so-called international law. it is essentially toothless. russia, china, south america, india, pakistan, iran, u.s. and many more nations completely ignore international law with highly disputed issues while abiding by laws that have long been established as internationally humane-long before there was an icj. there are many other nations that completely ignore international law by engaging in open and unfettered human trafficking, drug smuggling, secret incarcerations and so forth.

        its just seems self-righteous to be screaming “international law! international law!” in answer to every well placed counterpoint. one might as well be screaming into a vacuum.

        * it is always obvious to me when a pro-zionist commenter makes a painful point as the responses are usually massive link-dumps that simply restate their already well know side of the argument. never conceding a single point is not often a sign of strength. its often a sign of insecurity.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2017, 5:53 pm

        “never conceding a single point is not often a sign of strength. its often a sign of insecurity.”

        You don’t say?

      • YoniFalic
        August 12, 2017, 7:22 pm

        I’m not sure what @DaBakr means by “challenged”. There is no international supreme court in which international law can be challenged.

        International law is a combinations of international treaties and conventions, customary law, and decisions of various international tribunals. (In some cases, international law is based on the practices of various states. The treatment of Confederate soldiers and citizens by the USA has been a major input into the Hague and Geneva Conventions.)

        Here is the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid.

        https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%201015/volume-1015-i-14861-english.pdf

        From wikipedia.

        The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

        The Rome Statute [created the ICC and] established four core international crimes: genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression. Those crimes “shall not be subject to any statute of limitations”.

        While international law functions well in certain areas which like international telecommunications are relatively apolitical, international law has been far more problematic in application to the four core international crimes.

        Obviously as long as the State of Israel exists and Zios wander freely throughout the globe and do damage to the political systems of many states, no one can take seriously the international law of genocide.

        For this reason we must start to discuss the crimes of Israel not only in terms of apartheid but also in terms of genocide. We should not be daunted that the ICC uses 2002 as terminus a quo. Israel and Zios are culpable under international anti-genocide law for numerous crimes post 2002 (including Cast Lead).

        Venues that claim universal jurisdiction can prosecute and punish Israeli and Zio leaders to the fullest extent of customary international anti-genocide law on the precedents of the Nuremberg IMT, which is terminus a quo for customary international anti-genocide law.

      • DaBakr
        August 13, 2017, 10:03 pm

        @yfc

        “Customary law” . You’ve got to be joking. Anyway, I’ve already stated that many nations embraced basic humane laws before there ever was an ijc.

        Of course any so-called international law can be challenged in a court. The decision to do that however might be put off as it would lend credibility to an increasingly discredited, racist, patriarchal and condescending organization. Take for example the legality of the Israeli blockade” of Gaza. international maritime law has declared it a legal blockade while other international courts have found otherwise. There is no jurisdiction or ability to carry out any legal action to circumvent the blockade. Maybe another flotilla will be tried but we know how that will go.

        The point about laws practiced by “various states” and “customary laws” is one of the reasons many African, Asian and other nations consider the icj to be a colonialist, racist and patrarchal organization dispite the placement of jurists from around the world on its benches. When the world sees an American, Russian or Chinese official in the dock at the Hague I might believe there is a very small chance of ever seeing anyone from Israel, KSA, South America and even Syria (perhaps the single most documented war crimes committed in the past 75 years the world over) . So, while the hardcore MW commenters can continue to have their wet dream fantasies about Bibi in the dock it’s just not even worthy of contemplation.

        As for the international courts so-called definition of apartheid? It’s no different then how the Arab Muslim block in the UN has been able to devote more then 75% of security council censures and anti Israel resolutions rather then focusing on the other widespread and 10x more murderous regimes, including many of themselves, that inflict 1000x more havoc in the world then Israel ever has in its 70+ yrs. The UN and the ICJ are equally as big a waste of time and credibility as any org. in the past 70 yrs . With that said, how do any of you here seriously expect any serious nation to take the icj seriously? It’s a joke. Serbia and a couple of African warlords. Big whoop.

        @ms
        Yes msr , you read correctly and I do say so. And, I’m sure you understand exactly what my meaning is. In fact, you are the living proof that backs up what I wrote, so thanks.

        And back to yfc, after reading about a family line that fled across North africa to Morocco and then into Spain with half returning to Morocco and the other half migrating up and into Poland all circa 16th-17th century I have to think those clinging to the khazzer theory are more then just mistaken, they also have strong signs of psychopathic obsessions similar to hardcore conspiracy theorists and idiotic revisionists. But really, khazzers are your bag? romantic warrior turks being the ‘real’ Jews? Knock yourself out. Wetter mw should ban you or not-your right up there with holocaust and nakba deniers.

      • Mooser
        August 14, 2017, 11:54 am

        “DaBakr” goes back into his long-form mutterings.

  2. yourstruly
    August 7, 2017, 1:05 pm

    Yes, genocide as in…..

    Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto

    same place
    different time
    while the world stands by
    genocide
    live

    • Jack Green
      August 8, 2017, 8:50 am

      yourstruly

      Warsaw Ghetto was a holding area where Jews were stored until they were taken to the gas chambers. There are no gas chambers in Gaza.

      • yourstruly
        August 8, 2017, 10:19 am

        R

      • Misterioso
        August 8, 2017, 10:41 am

        @Jack Green

        The International Committee of the Red Cross: “The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”

        “In practice, Gaza has become a huge, let me be blunt, concentration camp for right now 1, 800,000 people” – Amira Hass, 2015 correspondent for Haaretz, speaking at the Forum for Scholars and Publics at Duke University.

        “‘The significance of the [then proposed Gaza Strip] disengagement plan [implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda….’ Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in an interview with Ha’aretz for the Friday Magazine. ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’” (Top PM Aide: Gaza Plan Aims to Freeze the Peace Process, Ha’aretz, October 6, 2004)

        http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2012-10-24/israels-formula-for-a-starvation-diet/
        “Israel’s formula for a starvation diet”
        24 October 2012
        EXCERPTS:
        “Six and a half years go [2006], shortly after Hamas won the Palestinian elections and took charge of Gaza, a senior Israeli official [Dov Weisglass, then a advisor to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert] described Israel’s planned response. ‘The idea,’ he said, ‘is to put Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.’ … few observers treated his comment as more than hyperbole..”

        “[Last week, ] after a three-year legal battle by an Israeli human rights group, Israel was forced to disclose its ‘Red Lines’ document. Drafted in early 2008, as the blockade was tightened…, the defence ministry paper set forth proposals on how to treat Hamas-ruled Gaza.

        “Health officials provided calculations of the minimum number of calories needed by Gaza’s 1.5 million inhabitants to avoid malnutrition. Those figures were then translated into truckloads of food Israel was supposed to allow in each day.”

        “…While the health ministry determined that Gazans needed daily an average of 2,279 calories each to avoid malnutrition – requiring 170 trucks a day – military officials then found a host of pretexts to whittle down the trucks to [just 67.]”

        “There can be no doubt that the diet devised for Gaza… was directed at every man, woman and child….”

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 5:19 pm

        Misterioso

        “Collective punishment” like BDS?

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 5:30 pm

        Misterioso

        What obligations to Gaza does Israel have under international humanitarian law?
        Does Egypt have the same obligations? What about the UK?

      • Talkback
        August 9, 2017, 4:15 am

        Jack Green: “Collective punishment” like BDS?”

        Do you realize how pathetic it sounds if you need to compare non-violent tactics to pressure Israel into abiding by international and humanitarian law with Israel’s violation of international and humanitarian law that are considered to be war crimes since the Nuremberg trials against the Nazis?

      • Talkback
        August 9, 2017, 4:24 am

        Jack Green: “What obligations to Gaza does Israel have under international humanitarian law?”

        The obligations an occupying state has. The wellfbein and protection of the occupied and their rights.

        Jack Green: “Does Egypt have the same obligations? What about the UK?”

        They are not occupying the State of Palestine. Duh.

      • Jack Green
        August 9, 2017, 9:41 pm

        Talkback

        575,000 Iraqi children died from non-violent sanctions.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 11:20 am

        “575,000 Iraqi children died from non-violent sanctions.”

        You are right, “Jack”, Israel should think long and hard about its intransigence.

      • catalan
        August 11, 2017, 12:15 pm

        “You are right, “Jack”, Israel should think long and hard about its intransigence.” mooser
        There are millions of Arabs under Israel’s control. If BDS ever caused actual food shortages (GDP per capita there is still 40K), who do you think would be actually dying of hunger first? If there is limited food, or electricity, or hospitals in Israel, what do you think the order of supply would be? Ironically, the best BDS can hope for is to starve the people it aims to help.

      • John O
        August 11, 2017, 2:01 pm

        @catalan

        “Ironically, the best BDS can hope for is to starve the people it aims to help.”

        That is the argument supporters of apartheid in South Africa made. The people BDS was intended to help said, “True, but we’ll put up with it to achieve a greater good.”

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:38 pm

        Mooser

        Intransigence?

        Every time Israel offers to end the occupation, the Palestinians say “No!”
        Even Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia (certainly not a Zionist) said that Arafat’s refusal to accept the January 2001 offer was a crime. Thousands of people would die because of Arafat’s decision & not one of those deaths could be justified.

        As Clinton later wrote in his memoir:
        It was historic: an Israeli government had said that to get peace, there would be a Palestinian state in roughly 97 percent of the West Bank, counting the [land] swap, and all of Gaza, where Israel also had settlements. The ball was in Arafat’s court.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:40 pm

        John O

        The goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel.
        How is that the greater good?

        Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

        Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

        While Israel is not the only country that brings in guest workers, it’s the only country that trains them in the most advanced agriculture so when they go home they can improve agriculture in their home countries.

      • John O
        August 11, 2017, 3:42 pm

        @Jack Green

        Ten instances of the word “Arab” in your latest post.

        Like the white South Africans who used to rule the roost there, it’s far more important to you to divide human being beings up into their ancestral tribes than to treat them as equals.

      • eljay
        August 11, 2017, 3:45 pm

        || Jack Green: … The goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel. … ||

        BDS FAQs:

        … BDS call urges action to pressure Israel to comply with international law by:

        1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
        International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.

        2. Granting Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel their right to full equality

        3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194 …

        Nope, nothing there about the destruction of Israel.

        BDS might – and rightly should – also result in the end of religion-supremacist “Jewish State”, but that would be a good thing because no state has a right to exist as any form of supremacist state. (And only a hateful and immoral Zionist hypocrite would argue that supremacism is acceptable if Jews are the ones doing it.)

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 4:01 pm

        ” If BDS ever caused actual food shortages (GDP per capita there is still 40K), who do you think would be actually dying of hunger first?” “catalan”

        I’m sure the Jewish State will be consult the Torah and the Jewish ethical tradition if this situation should arise, to guide Israel to a final solution. Supervising the revenge starvation of the Gazans or Palestinians, will show the world the Jewish conscience in action!

      • catalan
        August 11, 2017, 4:48 pm

        “True, but we’ll put up with it to achieve a greater good.” John O
        I doubt that the Palestinians in the West Bank will go for martyrdom in order for the refugees from Gaza to come back. Since Israel would use nuclear weapons to not let that happen, it seems that all that starving will be useless. The case of South Africa is different in that many whites there were willing to change the system. What BDS is asking Israel is to let Hamas set up central headquarters in Tel Aviv with government funding. After all, most leaders of Hamas are descendants of refugees from 1948 Israel.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 8:04 pm

        eljay

        Omar Bargouti, the founder of BDS, has to say:

        “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights
        of the indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically….Definitely, most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian, rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian, will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.”

      • eljay
        August 11, 2017, 9:43 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Omar Bargouti, the founder of BDS, has to say:

        “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically….Definitely, most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian, rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian, will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.” ||

        Mr. Barghouti is right to oppose a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine. Still not seeing anything about the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.

      • DaBakr
        August 12, 2017, 5:20 pm

        @e

        “Mr. Barghouti is right to oppose a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine. Still not seeing anything about the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.
        ok

        This isn’t high school debate club 101 over here. you really think we are just going to pretend your little winky-wink rhetorical tactic will mean anything to either israeli jew or arab israeli? your pyrrhic point scoring is so pointless its pathetic but totally apropos for the typically pretentious and piqued mw commenter.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2017, 6:06 pm

        “DaBakr“,never conceding a single point is not often a sign of strength. It is often a sign of insecurity.

      • eljay
        August 12, 2017, 6:17 pm

        || @kr: … ok

        This isn’t high school debate club 101 over here. you really think we are just going to pretend your little winky-wink rhetorical tactic will mean anything to either israeli jew or arab israeli? your pyrrhic point scoring is so pointless its pathetic but totally apropos for the typically pretentious and piqued mw commenter. ||

        ok

        Your strident and verbose way of saying you got nuthin’ is amusing but totally apropos for a Zionist.

      • lonely rico
        August 12, 2017, 8:40 pm

        > Jack Green
        There are no gas chambers in Gaza

        The late Norman Pollack –

        Israel has come a long way since 1967… the proto-Nazification of policy and conduct in which the gas chamber has been replaced by the more protracted denial of life to the victims of an ethnocentric/racial ideology achieved through the degradation of a whole people: a faucet of inhumanity left running, where genocide is administered in drips rather than in a torrent.

        https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/19/israels-defamation-of-judaism/

      • Jack Green
        August 12, 2017, 8:59 pm

        DaBakr

        When Bargouti, the founder of BDS, says a Jewish State is not acceptable, he’s talking about Israel. He wants Israel eliminated.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2017, 2:59 pm

        “When Bargouti, the founder of BDS, says a Jewish State is not acceptable, he’s talking about Israel. He wants Israel eliminated.”

        You are entitled to think so. If I were you, I’d dwell on that thought until the probable consequences become clear. If you stay, you might have to live on terms of equality with Palestinians. Palestinians would have access to the courts…well, figure it out for yourself, “Jack”.

      • eljay
        August 13, 2017, 4:00 pm

        || Jack Green: DaBakr … ||

        Jack.

        || … When Bargouti, the founder of BDS, says a Jewish State is not acceptable, he’s talking about Israel. He wants Israel eliminated. ||

        This is true if one – in this case, you – conflates the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” construct with the internationally-recognized State of Israel.

        Still missing from you is proof that the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.

      • Danaa
        August 13, 2017, 7:33 pm

        Jack Green
        Warsaw Ghetto was a holding area where Jews were stored until they were taken to the gas chambers. There are no gas chambers in Gaza.

        Yes, there are two differences I see:

        1. the extermination of the gazans is going to happen over a longer period than the warsaw ghetto had

        2. Gas chambers are not really an acceptable tactic any longer, so other means had to be found. What’s going on is an attempt at extermination by bits and drabs. Israel ups the ante every few months, shutting off power here, putting underground wall there, pressuring the Egyptians somewhere else. Then wait a little to see if the world notices (the UN crying Gevalt doesn’t count) before proceeding to the next step. See – most Israelis know exactly what it’s all about, and for the most part, they don’t mind much, as long as things don’t “get out of hand”.

        “Just get rid of them somehow”, is the motto you hear on the streets, in the cafes and in the taxis and even on social media. may be you need to pretend to not know, but that doesn’t mean Israelis share your particular species of ostrich.

      • Nathan
        August 13, 2017, 10:17 pm

        Danaa – You forgot to mention another difference between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza. Allow me to bring to your attention that Gaza has a much nicer beach than there was in the Warsaw Ghetto.

      • DaBakr
        August 13, 2017, 11:28 pm

        @jg

        . I know what barghouti and his million dollar Palestinian financed bds movement wants the eventual destruction of Israel as the nation of Jews. I’m pointing out to bds supporters that just because those words are not specifically spelled out dies not mean we are going to fall for their asinine tactic thinking they will fool us

      • Mooser
        August 14, 2017, 12:04 pm

        .” I know what barghouti and his million dollar Palestinian financed bds movement wants the eventual destruction of Israel as the nation of Jews”

        You are absolutely right, “DaBakr”. A little boycott and a little publicity is all it will take to topple Zionism in Palestine.

        Leave now and save yourself, is my advice. You understand the danger, Israel is balanced on a precipice, and BDS will push it right over.

      • eljay
        August 14, 2017, 12:30 pm

        || @aa: @jg

        . I know what barghouti and his million dollar Palestinian financed bds movement wants the eventual destruction of Israel as the nation of Jews. I’m pointing out to bds supporters that just because those words are not specifically spelled out dies not mean we are going to fall for their asinine tactic thinking they will fool us ||

        Israel shouldn’t exist a religion-supremacist “nation of Jews”. No state should exist as a supremacist state of any kind.

        If BDS manages to reform Israel…
        – from a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews;
        – into a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally,
        …more power to them.

        Meanwhile, you and Jack continue to fail to prove Jack’s claim that the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.

      • Mooser
        August 14, 2017, 1:29 pm

        “Meanwhile, you and Jack continue to fail to prove Jack’s claim that the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.”

        Proof? Who needs proof? As long as “Jack” and “Dabakr” believe that BDS can bring down Israel, I’m happy. They ought to know what can destroy Israel, and I believe them.

      • eljay
        August 14, 2017, 2:20 pm

        || Mooser: … Proof? Who needs proof? As long as “Jack” and “Dabakr” believe that BDS can bring down Israel, I’m happy. They ought to know what can destroy Israel, and I believe them. ||

        Zionists have boasted that the “Jewish State” will last a Thousand Years, so Jack and The Baker can’t possibly believe that puny ol’ BDS will destroy the “Jewish State” (which they keep conflating with Israel) unless:
        – they didn’t get or didn’t bother to read the memo from ZioHQ;
        – they have some doubt about the claim made by their fellow Zionists; or
        – they are openly refuting the claim (which I suppose would make them self-loathing Zionists).

      • Danaa
        August 15, 2017, 4:20 am

        Nathan, OK, you win. Gaza does have a “beautiful” beach. With access somewhat circumscribed, but never mind that.

        I am sure that israel’s exceptional planners are losing sleep over what can be done about that beach. Yes, a blockade is in place and yes, they got Egypt to sign on to it, but, what if millions of Gazans started streaming out to sea on rickety boats as living conditions on the strip became intolerable. Ah, a bit of a dilemma!

        But never you mind. All that needs to be done is to make sure that access to photos and videos can be prohibited (there’s a plan for that) and that those migrant-picking pesky NGO boats can be kept safely moored around Mibya.

        You see, I like to figure out what israel’s brilliant planners are up to. I know they are hard at work…..it’s not easy to plan a decent genocide these days, you know…it’s not like it was in the 30’s and 40’s. So unfair!

    • Jack Green
      August 12, 2017, 10:19 pm

      eljay

      Israel is not a “religion-supremacist” state. It doesn’t claim that Jews are better than anyone.
      It was created to be a shelter or a refugee for Jews fleeing persecution.

      There are womens’ shelters for battered women. That they’re for women doesn’t mean that they think that women are better.

      • eljay
        August 13, 2017, 9:32 am

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Israel is not a “religion-supremacist” state. … ||

        Of course it is: Jewish is a religion-based identity. Israel exists as a state primarily of and for Israelis and non-Israelis who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      • eljay
        August 13, 2017, 9:48 am

        || Jack Green: … It was created to be a shelter or a refugee for Jews fleeing persecution. … ||

        So, just to be perfectly clear: Should the homosexual people require shelter or refuge from persecution, you are of the opinion that they will be fully entitled to:
        – invade and militarily-occupy Israel (where gays have lived for thousands of years);
        – ethnically-cleanse Israelis from their homes and lands; and
        – establish a “Queer State” primarily of and for gay Queers and non-Queer gays.

        Got it.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2017, 2:33 pm

        ” who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.”

        Well, as the identity of “Jewish” pertains to Israel, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say ‘the administratively-determined identity of Jewish’?

      • eljay
        August 13, 2017, 2:50 pm

        || Mooser: … Well, as the identity of “Jewish” pertains to Israel, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say ‘the administratively-determined identity of Jewish’? ||

        For those who believe that the identity of Jewish should pertain to Israel, it might. I’m not one of those people. :-)

      • Jack Green
        August 13, 2017, 2:51 pm

        eljay

        Israel was established as a refuge or shelter for Jews,
        but it’s a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-confessional, multi-lingual democracy.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 13, 2017, 3:31 pm

        a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-confessional, multi-lingual “democracy” where half the people are not part of the multitudes who are sheltered, and the sheltered are actively oppressing that other half — the indigenous half — of the population.

        let’s give that a name shall we? democapartheid! when half the people democratically decide to oppress the other half.

      • eljay
        August 13, 2017, 3:52 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Israel was established as a refuge or shelter for Jews … ||

        Israel was established as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for people throughout the world who chose and who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

        || … but it’s a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-confessional, multi-lingual democracy. ||

        The rapist wears a suit and tie to the office, helps little old ladies safely cross the street and pays his taxes on time, but he’s still a rapist.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2017, 5:04 pm

        “Israel was established as a refuge or shelter for Jews,
        but it’s a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-confessional, multi-lingual democracy.”

        “Oh it isn’t, huh? Weell, would you believe it’s a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-lingual democracy?”

        “Okay, okay, it’s not, but would you believe it’s a , multi-ethnic, multi-lingual democracy?”

        “Would you believe several different languages are spoken in Israel?”

      • Keith
        August 13, 2017, 5:34 pm

        JACK GREEN- “Israel was established as a refuge or shelter for Jews….”

        No it wasn’t. The early Zionists were very explicit about not focusing on refugees, but on maintaining a sense of Jewish peoplehood through the creation of a Jewish state. I suspect that you are aware of this and are being intentionally deceptive.

  3. tnrs7
    August 7, 2017, 1:26 pm

    Actually there is a third crime being committed in order to accommodate Zionism–i.e. the subversion by propaganda and political intimidation of secular democracies like the United States.

  4. Stephen Shenfield
    August 7, 2017, 2:29 pm

    Zionism is also archaic. Not only in its reliance on ancient myth, but also because it came to fruition at exactly the time when settler colonialism and the displacement or even genocide of indigenous people were losing their legitimacy. This process was previously regarded in Europe and its offshoots by all but a tiny minority as important contributions to the progress of civilization. Zionism got in “just before the bell.”

    • Jack Green
      August 7, 2017, 8:24 pm

      Stephen Shenfield

      Zionism does not rely on ancient myth.
      The early Zionists were atheists.

      • Mooser
        August 8, 2017, 12:31 am

        “Zionism does not rely on ancient myth.
        The early Zionists were atheists.”

        “Jack” everybody knows the early Zionists pimped the hell out of Judaism and still do today. But we aren’t supposed to be so ingenuous about it! You could at least try to maintain some kind of front.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        August 8, 2017, 1:01 pm

        Jack Green, “Zionism does not rely on ancient myth. The early Zionists were atheists” .

        Here’s Ilan Pappe: “The secular Jews who founded the Zionist movement wanted paradoxically both to secularize Jewish life and to use the Bible as a justification for colonizing Palestine; in other words, they did not believe in God but He nonetheless promised them Palestine.”

        https://electronicintifada.net/content/reclaiming-judaism-zionism/12859

        And here’s a bit cited by me:
        In 1936, there was a mass revolt of the indigenous Palestinian population, known as ‘The Great Arab Revolt’. The British government, which at that time controlled Palestine with its Mandate, sent a committee to hear out representatives of both sides and try to resolve the ‘Arab-Jewish conflict’. The chairman of the committee was Lord Peel and one of the witnesses to testify before the Peel Commission was the chairman of the Jewish Agency: David Ben-Gurion. Ben-Gurion spoke of the right of the Jews to the land of Israel. When he finished, Lord Peel turned to him and asked, “Mr. Ben-Gurion: Where were you born?” “In Plonsk, Poland,” he answered. Lord Peel continued, “If a man lives in a house for many years and suddenly, someone else appears and claims ownership of the house, international law dictates that the burden of proof rests upon the claimant, not the current occupant. Mr. Ben-Gurion: Do you have a deed or contract of sale that gives you the right to take the place of the native Arabs who have lived here for generations?” On the witness stand was a copy of the Bible, upon which the witnesses had sworn. Ben-Gurion suddenly picked up the Bible in his hand and declared, “This is our deed!”

        More on that in my article “Zionism is not really secular”
        http://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/zionism-is-not-really-secular/

      • Mooser
        August 8, 2017, 2:55 pm

        ” Ben-Gurion suddenly picked up the Bible in his hand and declared, “This is our deed!”

        Now, that’s chutzpah! That’s beyond chutzpah!

      • Talkback
        August 8, 2017, 5:37 pm

        Mooser: “Now, that’s chutzpah! That’s beyond chutzpah!”

        Ben Gurion knew that most of the Palestinians are the true descendants of ancient Hebrews. He wanted to reconvert them. After that failed he opted for Plan Daleth.

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2017, 12:52 pm

        “Ben Gurion knew….”

        …or made a very shrewd judgement concerning the education and beliefs which go into a Goyishe-kop in those days.

      • MHughes976
        August 9, 2017, 2:29 pm

        There is no problem in the use of a myth which is either ancient or religious or both by a genuine atheist. (s)he may think that it is an expression of a deep truth about humanity (Oedipus/Freud) or evidence of an important truth about history (Agamemnon/any atheist fascinated by Schliemann).
        If the myth was in origin part of a claim by someone to the right to do something – maybe the story of Odysseus suggests that one has every right, conferred by the gods, to massacre any gang that sets covetous eyes on one’s wife – what if someone who claims to be an atheist acts in that way now, referring solely to the myth for authority?
        He seems to have two problems: the myth is a religious one and he seemingly does not believe in the authority in which the mythical characters believed. So he needs to to distinguish his own attitude from the attitude behind the myth – and can he do this if the myth is the sole authority he cites? Secondly, the myth is ancient and we might argue that standards of right and wrong have evolved in some crucial way since then.
        One might suspect – though this is a slightly different thing – that if he has deeply internalised the myth and it is his most profound motivation then he is not really an atheist at all, but a religious believer who cannot bear to recognise his true state of mind – and that is a worrying moral position,

      • DaBakr
        August 12, 2017, 5:31 pm

        @jo

        just because you believe in the mythical status of i. pappe as an authoritative voice on the matter of the i/p conflict does make him anything but the disgruntled, discredited , disgraced and widely debunked pseudo-historian that he is. try somebody less embarrassing to your cause.

      • LHunter
        August 12, 2017, 7:58 pm

        Jack – do you believe Jews are superior to Palestinians because they are jews?

        Simple question.

        Be a proud racist and proclaim your bigotry openly – don’t muddy the waters by trying to come up with clever arguments or the exception. That only makes you look like a weak cowardly racist. Tell the world what you believe – jews are superior to non jews simply because they are jews right?

        Stop boring us and show your stripes

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2017, 6:21 pm

        “Zionism does not rely on ancient myth.”

        So much for that “Torah-as-a-Land-Deed” argument you used the other day.

  5. JosephA
    August 7, 2017, 7:17 pm

    I thank you, Jonathan, now if only more people would come to accept this sober reality and work to change it.

    • DaBakr
      August 12, 2017, 5:34 pm

      @j

      do you mean like more germans came to accept the sober reality that the jews were their misfortune in the 1930s and 40s?

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2017, 9:07 pm

        “came to accept the sober reality that the jews were their misfortune in the 1930s and 40s?”

        That won’t happen here, “DaBakr”. We know how fortunate we are to have you around. You brighten up every thread you’re on.

  6. Down under girl
    August 7, 2017, 7:30 pm

    Great doctored picture you have here BTW.

    You clearly have no idea what apartheid is try the Arab countries for that.

    Look it up.

    This would NEVER have happened in South Africa

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/WATCH-Rising-Arab-Israeli-star-bucks-negativity-joins-Israeli-opera-501724

    • Mooser
      August 7, 2017, 7:56 pm

      “Great doctored picture you have here BTW.”

      What made it so obvious it was doctored? Pallywood said it would fool anybody.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 7, 2017, 9:54 pm

      same photo on haaretz/reuters articles

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.609275

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.608548

      why would you think it’s doctored? i’m sure if it were there would have been articles written about it by now.

      This would NEVER have happened in South Africa

      huh? you mean in sun city?

      • Mooser
        August 8, 2017, 12:35 am

        “same photo on haaretz/reuters articles”

        Fooled everybody except “down under girl”.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        August 8, 2017, 2:07 am

        Yeah, Down Under Girl, ‘doctored picture’, huh? Those AFP, Haaretz, Reuters, Mondoweiss, they’re all the same. Using cheap Palestinian Photoshops…
        I know the pictures can be downright unbelievable sometimes, but we just have to grapple with reality, you know?
        And thanks for bringing to mention the ‘Arab Israeli’ woman who got a role at the Israeli Opera. Netanyahu also mentions occasionally that there’s an ‘Arab’ Supreme Court judge in Israel.
        I was writing about that above, if you noticed: “Thirdly, just because they are perhaps the most fortunate sector of the Palestinian people, doesn’t mean that they are its essential representation, or that Israel should get a pass on its more overtly genocidal policies (as in Gaza), only because it treats some of the Palestinians better. A jail torturer is not less of a torturer just because he treats some prisoners well.”

        On several levels, ‘Israeli Arabs’ (2/3 of whom identify as Palestinians, BTW), serve as Israel’s alibi. Alibi against ethnic cleansing. Alibi against Apartheid. And here you are, citing the opera singer and saying it would never have happened in South Africa (so this couldn’t be Apartheid, as it were). But as mentioned, not only Jodi Rudoren says that it ‘looks a lot like Apartheid’, but many of those who have seen and experienced SA Apartheid first hand, say it is WORSE. It doesn’t have to be identical.

        Finally, remember that the Nazis also had ‘Jewish orchestras’ in Theresinstadt ghetto, and they lined it up nicely for the ICRC visit. No, Israeli Apartheid and genocide don’t have to be identical to the Third Reich. Neither does Israeli Apartheid have to be identical to South African Apartheid. But to insist upon pedantic exceptions is the work of apologists.

        As Polish writer Irena Klepfisz,who was born in Warsaw in 1941 and whose father died in the Warsaw ghetto uprising, wrote:

        “Am I to feel better that the Palestinians… were not shot by the Israelis but merely beaten? As long as hundreds of Palestinians are not being lined up and shot, but are killed by Israelis only one a day, are we Jews free from worrying about morality, justice? Has Nazism become the sole norm by which to judge evil, so that anything that is not its exact duplicate is considered by us morally acceptable? Is that what the Holocaust has done to Jewish moral sensibility?”

        (From “Dreams of an Insomniac: Jewish Feminist Essays, Speeches, and Diatribes” by Irena Klepfisz (1990), in Michael Neumann, The Case Against Israel.)

      • YoniFalic
        August 8, 2017, 5:57 am

        The Palestinian opera singer is just an example of Zio PR. It has a long tradition among Zios. Herzl wrote Reschid Bey into Altneuland. Of course, Herzl does not tell us how the Zionists treated die Bewohner, die ein räuberhaftes Aussehen hatten — the inhabitants, who looked like robbers.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 9, 2017, 4:36 pm

        Israeli photoshop software has an option to bomb the actual place in order to enhance the picture. It’s next to the pinetree icon that’s used for wiping an area.

    • YoniFalic
      August 7, 2017, 10:42 pm

      I guess I have to repeat myself.

      How does one know a Zio is lying? Check for breathing.

      I could easily have spewed lies like that of Down under girl when I was a high school true believer in Israel and pontificated on history about which I knew nothing.

      From http://www.npr.org/2015/03/07/390758217/from-the-shadows-of-apartheid-three-singers-bring-their-voices-to-the-states .

      This week, American listeners will get an introduction to three of the best-known voices in South Africa. The Bala Brothers are Zwai, Loyiso and Phelo Bala, and they have been commanding attention in their home country since the 12-year-old Zwai became the first black member of the renowned Drakensburg boys choir, six years before apartheid ended. The brothers eventually became national stars, performing R&B, kwaito, gospel and even opera, singing in English, Afrikaans and their native Xhosa.

      Having grown up as a true believing “progressive” and forced to realize that my own Zionist acts made me a monster, I have know doubt

      1) that Zionism is worse than apartheid,

      2) that Israel must be dismantled and the criminal white racist genocidal settler-colonist invaders must be removed, and

      3) that propagandists for Zionism must be tried for genocide under the Streicher precedent of the Nuremberg IMT.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 9:37 am

        At least 300,000 Palestinian refugees live in Lebanon in what Human Rights Watch calls “appalling social and economic conditions.” They’re blocked from working in a variety of professions, and the Lebanese government has largely resisted granting them broader property rights.

        The Redditor quotes British member of Parliament Gerald Kaufman on his 2011 visit to the refugee camps in Lebanon:

        When I went to Gaza in 2010 I thought I had seen the worst that could be seen of the appalling predicament of Palestinians living in conditions which no human being should be expected to endure. But what I saw in the camps in Lebanon is far worse and far more hopeless. The conditions are unspeakable, but for over 400,000 of our fellow human beings this is their life: today, tomorrow and for a future that cannot even be foreseen. At least in Gaza, frightful though the situation is, the people are free within the confines of their blockaded prison. In the camps of Lebanon they are not free.

      • John O
        August 8, 2017, 10:07 am

        @Jack Green

        So,refugee camps in Lebanon are even worse than Gaza. A curious measurement by which to praise Israel.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 5:24 pm

        YoniFalic

        Even Arab Israelis don’t want Israel dismantled.

        Khaled Abu Toameh, the journalist who reports for the Jerusalem Post, U.S. News & World Report and NBC News, put it: “Israel is a wonderful place to live … a free and open country.

        Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

        Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

      • Jack Green
        August 8, 2017, 5:56 pm

        John O

        I told you about Lebanon to show what apartheid is.
        Apartheid is separation. It has the word “apart” in it.
        Lebanon keeps Palestinians confined to refugee camps separated from the Lebanese.
        There are no refugee camps in Israel.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 8, 2017, 7:37 pm

        Jack Green:

        “I told you about Lebanon to show what apartheid is.
        Apartheid is separation. It has the word “apart” in it.
        Lebanon keeps Palestinians confined to refugee camps separated from the Lebanese.
        There are no refugee camps in Israel..”

        Do you read your own texts?? Don’t you see how illogical they are??

        “Apartheid is separation..”

        Yes, and why have you built that huge wall between West Bank and Israel, if not because of wanting to separate the Palestinians from Israelis and control their every move in their open-air prison.. ??

        And your weird question about : “What obligations to Gaza does Israel have under international humanitarian law? Does Egypt have the same obligations..”

        Why would Egypt have same obligations as Israel? The Palestinians are not Egyptians and there was no separate Gaza before Israel. That is why your obligation should be to end that separation (another open-air prison..) and let those people live free!!

        And since you are using so much time to convince how well the Palestinians are doing in their own separate areas around Israel – which your armed IDF soldiers control in most humiliating ways – I think you should move to live and share your life with them, and why would you not??? The Palestinians are living such good, free and happy life there, as you’ve just been describing here in your comments!

      • Talkback
        August 9, 2017, 4:37 am

        Jack Green: “I told you about Lebanon to show what apartheid is.
        Apartheid is separation. It has the word “apart” in it.
        Lebanon keeps Palestinians confined to refugee camps separated from the Lebanese.
        There are no refugee camps in Israel.”

        Another stupid commen that demonstrates that Jack Green doesn’t know what The Crime of Apartheid is. The next time he will argue that prisoners are victims of Apartheid, because they are locked up and kept seperated. Does Lebanon need to confine them so that the Lebanese matintan dominance? On the other hand does Israel need to keep refugees “seperated” to maintain the dominance of one group in Israel which Israel racistly considers to be the only nationals, the only real citizens?

      • YoniFalic
        August 9, 2017, 5:34 am

        Shills like Khaled Abu Toameh are well-paid for saying and writing what hyper-wealthy racist Jews/Zios want to hear and read. I know because my wealthy evil Zio relatives are among those that compensate gentile shills for lying.

        Christian Wilhelm von Dohm (11 December 1751 – 29 May 1820) is an early example of a non-Jew, who made an excellent income from wealthy Jews by praising Jews and by lying about Jewish practices.

      • John O
        August 9, 2017, 8:46 am

        @Jack Green

        “There are no refugee camps in Israel.”

        Strange, that. Israel has a border with Syria, and if the Israeli government (and, dare I say it, the majority of its people) had a shred of decency, they would have taken in thousands of innocent people fleeing the civil war. But no, the burden falls on Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Europe to give some shelter to these wretched people.

      • kev
        August 9, 2017, 9:42 pm

        “There are no refugee camps in Israel.”

        Really? Doesn’t Israel define the (illegally annexed) area of East Jerusalem as being part of Israel? And where is Shuafat?

        Bonehead.

      • Jack Green
        August 9, 2017, 9:54 pm

        John O

        Israel & Syria are at war. There’s just a cease fire, not a peace treaty. No country should be obligated to take in its enemy. However, Israeli doctors have treated thousands of Syrians.

        There are 60 million refugees. None are Jews because Israel takes in all Jewish refugees.
        Before complaining that Israel doesn’t take in enough gentile refugees, let the majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries take in Christian & Muslim refugees. Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.

        Furthermore, let’s remember why Israel was created. Israel was created to be a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for their Jewish citizens. If Israel takes in too many gentiles, it will no longer be majority-Jewish. Unfortunately, there still is a need for a majority-Jewish country because Jews are still targeted for being Jews.

      • John O
        August 10, 2017, 4:18 am

        @Jack Green

        “Before complaining that Israel doesn’t take in enough gentile refugees, let the majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries take in Christian & Muslim refugees. Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.”

        You’re all heart, Jack. So, it’s OK to turn away non-Jewish refugees from your borders; and in your next sentence, you condemn the countries that turned away Jewish refugees as being responsible for the Holocaust.

      • John O
        August 10, 2017, 2:52 pm

        @Jack Green

        “There are other countries, countries not at war with Syria, who have been willing to take in Syrian refugees. No one, except the Dominican Republic, was willing to take in the Jews.”

        So, what you are still arguing is that if an injured mother with a starving child turned up at Israel’s door, your first question would be, “Are you Jewish?” If the answer is “yes”, you’d say, “Come in.” If the answer is “no”, you’d say, “Go away and die elsewhere.”

        You then say that, because other countries failed to take Jews in before the Holocaust, Israel is justified in keeping non-Jews out. Have you no sense of decency?

      • Keith
        August 10, 2017, 4:35 pm

        JACK GREEN- “Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.”

        Yet more fraudulent Zionist myth-history. Former commenter Tree has commented extensively on this in the past. I am once again going to quote her to set the record straight as is frequently necessary when dealing with Zionists such as you who lack both moral and intellectual integrity. It is a difficult thing to do in view of your high volume of deceptions.

        “In the 1920’s, well before Hitler came to power, and in fact while he was serving time in prison, the US passed laws restricting immigration based on country of origin, in an attempt to maintain the numerical prevalence of Western and Northern European stock over newer Southern and Eastern Europeans, and Asians. German immigration, although limited by quotas, was not banned, and in fact from the 1930’s to early 1940’s its estimated that 140,000 German Jews immigrated to the US, and the total German Jewish immigration to other countries was on the order of 450,000 or 70% of the total German Jewish population of 600,000.

        Jews were not restricted as Jews from immigrating to the US and they were the overwhelming majority of the immigrants arriving in the US from Germany during this time. Overall, from 1931-39, over 20% of all US immigrants were Jews, which was the highest Jewish percentage of any decade in US history. In 1939 alone, over 50% of ALL US immigrants were Jews.

        During this same period, approximately 40,000 to 50,000 German Jews arrived in Palestine. This was only 10% of the total German Jewish immigration. Not only that, but the Zionists in Palestine, who were in charge of determining who exactly was allowed in to Palestine under British quotas had a selection process that put greater weight on whether a particular Jew was a Zionist, in good health and capable of materially aiding the Zionist cause and economy over the need or vulnerability of that particular Jew. Thus, sometimes a Jew from the US or the Americas were given preference over a German or Eastern European Jew, and young adults were given preference over the elderly or young children.

        It should also be noted that during the time of the US immigration quotas, Ukrainians, who were dying in the millions from the forced starvation of the Holodomor, were almost completely cut off from any immigration to the US. Poles, who were as a nation suffering from the Soviet Union’s Great Terror were also nearly completely cut off from US immigration, as were other Eastern and Southern Europeans. The majority of the Europeans who were victimized by the massive curtailment of US immigration opportunities that occurred in the 1920’s and onward were religiously Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

        It should also be noted that during this time any immigration to the US from Asian countries was COMPLETELY prohibited, and those Asians who had immigrated earlier were prohibited from becoming naturalized US citizens.

        I’m sick and tired of the lie that Jews were singled out for prohibition, and the lie that others were not as negatively impacted by the country restrictions as Eastern European Jews. The US restrictions doomed Ukrainian kulaks, Polish nationalists and others well before they doomed Eastern European Jews.” (Tree) http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/latest-generous-offer-leaked-israel-wants-to-control-jordan-river-and-40-of-west-bank-while-palestinians-get-temporary-borders/#comment-591577

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 6:07 pm

        John O

        Please don’t put words into my mouth.
        I never said:
        “…because other countries failed to take Jews in before the Holocaust, Israel is justified in keeping non-Jews out…”

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 6:11 pm

        Keith

        Thanks for the info,
        None of it contradicts anything I said.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2017, 7:08 pm

        “Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died…”

        And this horror, the Holocaust, was visited upon the Jews during an unprecedented era of peace, good-will and mutual trust among the nations.

      • Keith
        August 10, 2017, 9:03 pm

        JACK GREEN- “Thanks for the info,
        None of it contradicts anything I said.”

        Of course it does. Typically, you attempt to brazen it out. Empirical reality means nothing to you, fealty to ideology and solidarity with your group are all that matters. You are not here to discuss, you are here to disrupt.

      • DaBakr
        August 12, 2017, 6:14 pm

        @k

        are you also “sick and tired” of reading the ever growing release of files and reports that fdr and the dos knew about the mass murder of euro jews and still restricted the numbers?

        i know that there were famines caused by stalin that killed millions but i am not familiar with how widespread this info was in the u.s. at the time. in fact the american left-repleat with many jews-were still lauding how amazing stalin was -just like the far left in the s now laud the tyrant in tehran.

      • echinococcus
        August 12, 2017, 9:26 pm

        Abu Bakr:

        are you also “sick and tired” of reading the ever growing release of files and reports that fdr and the dos knew about the mass murder of euro jews and still restricted the numbers?

        You mean when the Zionist Organization of America with all its undergroups, and the GB Zionist organization, all fought tooth and nail ***against*** wider quotas for Jewish immigration from Central and East Europe? Rabbi Wise, their boss, was running around like a headless chicken to ***restrict*** entry to European Jews who were being massacred, so that some may go to Palestine to murder Ayrabs and sabotage the Allies.

        So they won, what’s new, and the quotas did not get increased. Congratulations to the Zionist mass murderers.

    • CigarGod
      August 8, 2017, 9:09 am

      Doctored?
      Does that mean made better?

      • amigo
        August 8, 2017, 10:43 am

        So Jacko , it,s all the fault of the Lebanese who refuse to give citizenship to the Refugees , (which they don,t want) and relieve Israel of it,s responsibility under International Law (know what that is jacko) and allow those people to return to their homes on which illegal squatter thieves are now living.

        How inconvenient for the little rogue pip squeak entity that all those Arab nations will not cooperate with the light unto the nations in it,s endeavour to rid so called Israel of every non Jew so you can have it all to yourself.

        Damn antisemites —eh jacko.

        Btw , I asked you before –twice—do you believe in God?????.

        I asked also if you are Jewish and or a zionist.Did you run out of ink .

      • Jack Green
        August 9, 2017, 10:12 pm

        YoniFalic

        Evidence that Khaled Abu Toameh is being paid to say good things about Israel & doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying?

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 10:23 am

        John O

        There are other countries, countries not at war with Syria, who have been willing to take in Syrian refugees. No one, except the Dominican Republic, was willing to take in the Jews.

      • YoniFalic
        August 10, 2017, 4:27 pm

        Human beings have an incredible ability to believe ideas that increase their bank accounts or — in the case of politicians — their campaign coffers.

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 4:48 pm

        John O

        As I said, “There are other countries, countries not at war with Syria, who have been willing to take in Syrian refugees.”

        During the Holocaust, if a Jewish refugee was turned away, he died.
        If Israel turns away a Syrian refugee, the refugee won’t die because there are other countries accepting Syrian refugees.

        Israel should be praised for treating injured Syrians especially because Syria & Israel are at war.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2017, 8:26 pm

        Israel is treating injured Syrian and foreign jihadists who are trying to overthrow the Syrian government. Israel is also sending its war planes to injure other Syrians.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 10, 2017, 9:10 pm

        Jack Green:

        “Israel should be praised for treating injured Syrians especially because Syria & Israel are at war..”

        Dear Jack,

        You are making it sound like Israel was a warm-harted friendly country, but..

        Israel is just a greedy selfish nation, which has all of it’s time of existance only continued stealing as much land as possible from innocent people, who had nothing to do with Jews, Holocoust or anything you are trying to use as excuse here.

        When I lived in Israel, I fell in love with Golan and the Druze and I used to make trips there to have a cup of tea and chat with some Druze farmers I learned to know. It is just sick how these people, whose families had been farming these lands for centuries suddenly beacame part of this Israelian s*it!! Like stealig the lands of the Palestians just was not enough!

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 10, 2017, 9:18 pm

        RoHa:

        ” Israel is also sending its war planes to injure other Syrian..”

        Thanks for writing it here.. I was just thinking, if I should do so, it seems that Jacko is not very well informed of what is going on and where..

        Anyway, what a Holy Nation, first they bomb and injure and then they come to see who was left alive, so that they might offer some help??

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 9:46 pm

        RoHa

        Israeli doctors, like Doctors without Borders, treat everyone including many Syrian women & children.
        Israeli doctors even treated Gazans in the middle of the war with Gaza.

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 9:49 pm

        Kaisa of Finland

        How do you know what’s Palestinian land & what’s Israeli land when there’s no official border between Palestine & Israel?

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 9:58 pm

        Kaisa of Finland

        and yet the Druze VOLUNTEER to serve in the IDF.

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 10:01 pm

        Kaisa of Finland

        Yet this “greedy, selfish nation” has been saving Syrian lives while 190+ countries don’t help at all.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 11, 2017, 10:16 am

        Jack Green:

        I hope you wake up one day.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 12:42 pm

        “and yet the Druze VOLUNTEER to serve in the IDF.”

        By the livin’ Gawd that made you,
        you’re a better man than I am, Ghassan Alian.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 11, 2017, 1:57 pm

        Jack Green:

        Just to remind you, the Druze of Golan Heights are not the same as Druze living elsewhere in Israel.

    • Misterioso
      August 8, 2017, 11:53 am

      @Down under girl

      You blew it. With supporters like you and your ilk, Israel needs no critics.

    • Talkback
      August 8, 2017, 5:10 pm

      Down under girl: “Great doctored picture you have here BTW.”

      Great self delusion,It’s from Reuters and was used by Haaretz.
      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.609275

      Down under girl: “You clearly have no idea what apartheid is try the Arab countries for that.”

      This would NEVER have happened in South Africa

      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/WATCH-Rising-Arab-Israeli-star-bucks-negativity-joins-Israeli-opera-501724

      Your Apartheid accusation towards Arab states and your comparison with South Africa’s petty Apartheid clearly show that it is you who has no idea what the Crime of Apartheid is as defined by international law.

      But we allready know that you don’t really want to know, don’t we?

    • hophmi
      September 11, 2017, 11:53 am

      YoniFalic, the antisemite, talks of writers who favored Jewish emancipation as shills. If that’s not a clue as to who he is, nothing is. He needs to be banned from here, as per commenting rules.

      • Mooser
        September 11, 2017, 12:27 pm

        . “He (“Yoni Falic”) needs to be banned from here, as per commenting rules.” “Hophmi”

        Sorry “Hophmi”, can’t be done. “Yoni” has IDF veteran posting privileges.

        Of course, if you raise the stakes to the ‘it’s either him or me!’ level, there’s no telling what will happen.

  7. yonah fredman
    August 8, 2017, 12:17 am

    I am curious how Jonathan Ofir sees the endgame of the Israel Palestine conflict.

    I realize that this is an evasion, that with the phrase genocide being tossed around, that I must either confess or deny, but I am curious as to how mister ofir sees this playing out.

    Those who take pleasure from living in Israel or have taken pleasure from visiting Israel, wish to maintain the good and somehow remedy the evil, in such a way so that the good can remain. This is clearly not the majority viewpoint here, nor mister Ofir’s viewpoint.

    I, myself, have spent years living in Israel and have many close relatives living there and have invested much time and thought regarding the past and present tenses and wonder what the future holds.

    I do not consider antiZionism personified by Linda Sarsour to be yehudi hatred, I consider it as natural as human nature. Nonetheless the life and death struggle embodied by Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran versus Israel is deeply unsettling. And as one who thinks of politics as the art of the possible, I wonder what might be possible. Certainly the leadership of Netanyahu, and the tradition of militarism embodied by the IDF and even Rabin, and the history of the Nakba are a few facts that add context to the worry about Israel versus Hezbollah and company. But I would seek a way 1. to set Gaza free (or freer). 2. to set most of the West Bank freer. I think setting Gaza freer is really achievable, yet it is still to be achieved and will have to wait for someone after Netanyahu. Regarding the West Bank, I can’t see an achievable compromise within reach.
    Regarding the right of return, the idea is not near to the vast majority of Israeli Jews and to the vast majority of their supporters. Also as it is expressed here at mw, it is forbidden to use the term right of return and compromise in the same sentence. I think Israel could afford to allow half a million refugees to return to Israel proper after a two state solution is achieved. But I don’t even bother to raise this idea with my Israeli cousins, for they would scoff. And meanwhile a two state solution (discounting Gaza) is not within reach.
    If the path to a solution regarding Gaza was near. If the thinking regarding the West Bank was tending towards compromise on the part of Israel If the attitude of most Israelis reflected the desire of what is currently a small number of liberal Zionists for reconciliation, then the killing might look like history rather than an ongoing mess, and if there was a movement towards reconciliation, the past attempts to deny Palestinian history and the callousness towards Palestinians as humans or as a group with aspirations could be put into a context of, “let’s see what we can achieve in terms of compromise”. But that is not the context and as such the callousness promises more of the same.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      August 8, 2017, 1:15 pm

      Yoni Falic, thanks for asking.
      A few days ago, Jeff Halper wrote an article about ‘Israel’s endgame’: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170804-the-deal-israels-endgame/

      He lists the points as definite things that will happen.

      I cannot say that I am convinced, and basically I am wary of being too definite about the future – I profess no prophetic abilities, and can only look to the past in attempt to possibly and carefully suggest how things might go.

      But the past is extremely worrying. What is also worrying is how little effective opposition there has been to the Israeli colonization scheme. Do we need more photos of dead children and pulverisered buildings?

      For those who have been expelled and lived their life in exile, they have experienced the end game already. Those babies who died in Gaza by the touch of an F-16 button, they’ve experienced the end game.

      The question we must be asking ourselves internationally is, how do we up our game to stop this. It could in principle go on and on, as Dayan’s “no solution”, where Palestinians “live like dogs”. If the world accepts it, it becomes normal.

      I haven’t got an answer. But I think we need to keep working on answers to Israel’s continuing genocidal policy.

      • yonah fredman
        August 8, 2017, 5:33 pm

        Jonathan- Yoni Falic shares my initials with his (probably) fake name. But I would appreciate if you would not confuse me with him.

      • YoniFalic
        August 8, 2017, 8:10 pm

        I have always been clear that I don’t post under my legal name, which is fake Hebraicization of my family’s name in Austrian Galicia. I despise the effort of racist Eastern Europeans to masquerade as descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        August 9, 2017, 2:56 am

        Apologies, Yonah Fredman, I really didn’t notice it.

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2017, 12:29 pm

        “yonah” try not to let your narcissism run away with you. Mr. Ofir was answering “Yoni Falic’s” question, he simply put his reply in the wrong spot.

  8. Tuyzentfloot
    August 8, 2017, 6:39 am

    Jonathan Cook introduced a group of let’s say novices to the subject of Israeli Apartheid. He deliberately focused on Israel proper . I think it’s a very good introduction.

    • Talkback
      August 8, 2017, 5:25 pm

      I watched this video. It’s EXCELLENT. I have to see it again.

      • Paranam Kid
        August 11, 2017, 6:39 am

        Very good video. Jonathan is in a very good position to talk about this subject, being a foreigner (British), married to a Palestinian woman & having 2 kids. Furthermore, he is abviously not biased, but presents it as it is, though Zionists will not agree with that.

        He have been struggling with Israel’s contorted citizenship/nationality issue, read up about it, but Jonathan helped elucidate it further in his clear, cogent language.

  9. dr. abraham Weizfeld Ph.D.
    August 8, 2017, 1:52 pm

    When pro-Zionists argue that there is a difference between the Zionist State and Apartheid South-Africa then one may examine the claim as is done here to mark the similarities but one may also examine the diffrerence, not only in terms of how more degerate Zionism is but also in terms of the association made with racism.
    In terms of racism, there is a difference which is never mentioned, except by the pro-Zionists. This defence of Zionist Apartheid, that is Apartheid Israel, is that it is not racist because amongst the Jewish-Israelis there are 50% who are of Arabic origin. This is true and marks off Zionism as a peculiar non-racist racist Apartheid regime. The contradiction is resolved if on considers that Zionist Aparthied is based on nationality and not a myth of race, except for the animosity foostered for the Oriental culture.
    The analysis of Zionist Apartheid should go further and is examined as such in my Thesis as a continuation of the Jabotinsky principle of the ‘Separation Principle’.

    • Talkback
      August 8, 2017, 5:26 pm

      Call it “Hafradaheid”.

      • echinococcus
        August 12, 2017, 6:25 pm

        Another stupid question:

        “So why isn’t the American embassy in Jerusalem?” [if Zionists are in command here]

        Because the Zionist owners of the country (who are too smart themselves to live in the shitty hellhole) don’t think it’s time yet. Duh.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      August 9, 2017, 3:58 am

      Dr. Abraham Weizfeld, I would contend that race doesn’t exist anyway. When we say ‘racist’, it is an indication of that obsession in that person about that notion.

      The notion of Jews as a ‘race’ is, as far as I am concerned, racist. For all practical purposes, the Zionist designation of it as a ‘nation’ (and notice that in pre-Balfour declaration deliberations the terms ‘race’ and ‘nation’ were used quite interchangably), is a racist designation. It’s the same racial notion, with a veneer of modern ‘civility’ in that it applies the title ‘nation’ which so many associate with modern liberal statehood.

      Now the original Zionist vision was that of a white European colony. Yes, of Jews, but of the white kind.
      Yet Israel was faced with a demographic need, and through complexities which I shall not enter here for brevity, got an Arab Jewish population which was considered downright inferior by the early European Zionist establishment. So much so, that even Genocide could rather easily be inflicted upon them (and I speak here of the ‘Yemenite children’s affair’ of 1950’s).

      Israel’s European establishment tried to separate the ‘Arab’ from the ‘Jew’ in various manners, which I again shall not delve into here. Only few of these Arab Jews have cared to boldly declare themselves as such – notable examples are authors Naeim Giladi and Sami Michael.

      The ideological separation of the Jewish from the Arab is not a result of circumstances – it sits at the heart of the Zionist venture. It was already existent in the British separation of Jew and Arab in mandate ID’s, and this became part of Israel’s recognition of ‘nationality’ – you could be Jewish, or you could be Arab – but you couldn’t be both.

      The aim of this is multiple. It ‘gathers’ the Arab Jews into the fold of ‘Jews’ and separates them from ‘Arabs’, increasing the ‘Jewish’ count; it reduces the native Palestinian nationality to a vague ‘national’ concept devoid of precise connection to Palestine – making it morally easier to expel them (under the racist notion that they have 22 other Arab countries to go to – how bad can it be?); Finally, it suggests that there is no national colonialist issue here – for Jews are simply a nation amongst so many others (Israel recognises over 130 nationalities, but not an Israeli one).

      In the end, all this is a veil. A veil for a colonialist takeover IN THE NAME OF JUDAISM. That Israel, the Jewish State, considers people of darker complexion as part of its ‘own’, doesn’t make it any less racist, nor any less colonialist. The skin color issue is only an excuse for the racists to claim it isn’t racist, just as the existence of a minority of Israeli Palestinians is used as an alibi to exonerate the ethnic cleansing of their vast majority.

      Race is what we make it to be. And Zionism has made it to be ‘Jewish’, as a ‘nation’.

      • Talkback
        August 9, 2017, 6:12 am

        Jonathan: “Finally, it suggests that there is no national colonialist issue here – for Jews are simply a nation amongst so many others (Israel recognises over 130 nationalities, but not an Israeli one). ”

        Israel considers the Jewish ‘people’ to be not a, but THE “nation” of Israel. The ethno/religious concept of a “nation” is not the same as the civic convept of “nation” being an equivalent term to citizenship. The 130 “nationalities” you are talking about are just “nationalities” WITHIN citizenhip and not “nationalities” AS citizenship.

        Israel is trying to fool everybody. What it calls “citizens” and the rights that comes with citizenship cannot be compared to the full citizenship of the citizens in other nations. Israel only grants this full citizenship to Jews which it considers to be not only citizens, but more importantly “nationals”. Since “nationals” and “citizens” are the same in other countries Israel only views “nationals” to be the real citizens and obscures this by calling Jews and the Nonjews of Israel “citizens”.

        The Nazis had a similar concept. They, too, differentiated between nationals (“Reichtsbuerger”, literally “Citizens of the Reich”) and “citizens”. The only difference to Israel is that the Nazis didn’t obscure it by putting the nationals in the ‘lower’ category of “citizens”.

        So when Israel creates a legislation which applies to everyone in Israel than it is a legislation for its citizens. If it only wants to create a legislation that applies only to Jews than it finds others ways like describing them as laws, priviliges, benefits, etc. that only apply to those who can become citizens through the law of return.

        I urge you to watch Jonathan Cook’s video:

        Jonathan: “Race is what we make it to be. And Zionism has made it to be ‘Jewish’, as a ‘nation’.”

        I don’t doubt that Zionism is only an antisemites’s wet dream to treat Jews differently then as nationals in their country, but to sent them to ‘their homeland’. Not to mention how antisemitic it is from a Jewish religious perspective.

      • Mooser
        August 9, 2017, 1:20 pm

        “Yet Israel was faced with a demographic need, and through complexities which I shall not enter here for brevity,”

        Basically, Israel was hoping to get “Jews, but of the white kind” wholesale. But somebody didn’t keep up their end of the bargain, and Zionism ended up having to pay retail, and get them nearly one at a time.

      • yonah fredman
        August 10, 2017, 2:22 am

        Jonathan Ofir- I think condemnation of Zionism circa 1897, calling it racist, is anachronistic, applying 2017 standards to a different world. Of course there is the possibility of universalism, which was the emphasis of those who rejected all nationalism and all religions and all distinctions and maybe you are wedded to this idealism and as such anything that smacks of the other choices are rejected as primitive. Of course the Jewish nation circa 1897 is a bit different, for they in fact are not associated with a geographic territory (other than the ancient association which has led us into this vale of tears), but if one is rejected by mother russia and told that you are a separate nation, (not one of us), when in fact you speak a different language and live in separate neighborhoods and need special passes to be able to travel in the country at large, (thus the Pale was their geographic territory), then in fact you happen to have many of the attributes of a nation.

        The inclination towards assimilation was understandable and inexorable, except that it was interrupted by a major cataclysm that embodied the national aspect of the Jews, by an ideology which saw the Jews through a racial prism, and the murderers were aided in this murder campaign in many countries by collaborators of different sorts, who executed a plan that fulfilled their image of the Jew as a separate nation.

        To come along in 2017 and call the 1897 impulse towards preservation of a lifestyle and identity as racism, is valid, only in terms of trying to create a path forward in 2017. But if your interests extend towards an understanding of the sociology of zionism in minsk and pinsk, and basel, circa 1897, you are failing, obscuring the truth with your terminology, rather than enlightening the history that brought us to this point.

      • Jack Green
        August 10, 2017, 10:46 am

        Talkback

        Should all Israelis be treated the same?

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2017, 4:48 pm

        “you are failing, obscuring the truth with your terminology, rather than enlightening the history that brought us to this point.” “yonah fredman” to Jonathan Ofir

        Gosh, I just hope there’s somebody with Mr. Ofir when he reads that.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2017, 8:02 pm

        “I think condemnation of Zionism circa 1897, calling it racist, is anachronistic, applying 2017 standards to a different world.”

        1897 Zionism was racist. It might be the case that racism was not regarded as wrong in 1897, but, if racism is wrong, it was wrong in 1897.

      • yonah fredman
        August 10, 2017, 8:47 pm

        RoHa, Zionism circa 1897 was racist in terms of its disregard for the Palestinians. Ofir is asserting that it was racist merely based upon its take on Jewish identity. I reject that.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2017, 10:13 pm

        ” I think condemnation of Zionism circa 1897, calling it racist, is anachronistic, applying 2017 standards to a different world.”

        “Yonah” it is perfectly obvious to me that racism became wrong and a bad thing just about the time Jews began to outnumber everybody else, and we could use racism against other people. And then all of a sudden, racism was wrong just when it was going to work to Jewish advantage! I’m sure you have noticed that, too.

      • YoniFalic
        August 10, 2017, 11:02 pm

        In 1897 racism had already been well-articulated as an ideology. (Just think Calhoun and the debate over slavery in the USA.)

        In that time period racism was almost equally likely to be a component of progressive ideology as it was to be a component of conservative ideology.

        Many people at the time period considered racism wrong, and certainly on the whole Jews rejected Zionism not least because it was racist.

        Both Herzl and Nordau were ideological racists. Nordau (the second most important ideological leader of Zionism) was in fact almost an advocate for genocide. At the very least he explicitly considered genocide to be a good thing when carried out by white Europeans.

        Nordau was a pen pal with Thomas Dixon the founder of US white or Aryan racism. Dixon considered European Jews to be part of the Aryan club.

        Herzl was more lukewarm on genocide.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 10:01 am

        RoHa

        How was 1897 Zionism racist?

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 10:06 am

        yonah fredman

        What should Zionists of 1897 have done differently with regard to the Palestinians?

      • YoniFalic
        August 11, 2017, 11:10 am

        On the basis of Zionist writings from before 1897, there can be no doubt that Zionists presumed that the (false) historical and (mythical) national rights of E. European (fake) “Jews” (really Slavo-Turks) were superior to the human, democratic, and property rights of the native population.

        It’s a strong, clear, and convincing prima facie case of the racism of genocidal & extremely chauvinist white Europeans.

        Jack Green either refutes the prima facie case or stops spewing his ridiculous white racist genocidal Euro nonsense.

      • YoniFalic
        August 11, 2017, 11:13 am

        What should Zios have done in 1897? They should have renounced their evil racist ideas, assimilated, and learned to be decent human beings. If they did not like Europe, they were free to emigrate to the USA, which had open immigration policy at the time.

      • yonah fredman
        August 11, 2017, 11:32 am

        Jack green- It’s not clear precisely what course Zionists might have taken in1897 or 1917 or 1928 for that matter to minimize harm to Palestinians, while maintaining the progress for their/our nationalist movement. From the Palestinian perspective the overall effect has been damaging, and prescribing for them a change in attitude towards a twist of history that was about to strike them with the overall ferocity of an earthquake, is to deny their natural human reactions. Ahad Haam saw Zionist attitudes which repelled him, but even so, the Jewish urge towards self determination was antithetical towards the Palestinian wish for political self respect. The two impulses were two opposing forces headed towards a crash. Flexibility rather than stubbornness might have yielded better results for the palestinians. Certainly the cataclysmic hatred of yehudim in Poland in the 20’s and in Germany with the rise of hitler changed a gradual movement into a stampede. Yet we must confess that seen through Palestinian eyes, zionism promised conflict and delivered disaster.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 1:26 pm

        ” If they did not like Europe, they were free to emigrate to the USA, which had open immigration policy at the time.”

        Just about completely open until 1920, I believe.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:36 pm

        YoniFalic

        You talked about Zionists being racist,
        but I was wondering about the claim that the Zionism of 1897 was racist.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:46 pm

        YoniFalic

        It wasn’t that the Jews didn’t like Europe.
        It was that they were being persecuted & murdered in Europe.
        Why should Jews have gone to the USA rather than to Palestine?

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:48 pm

        YoniFalic

        Why do you call the E. European Jews “fake Jews?”

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 2:52 pm

        yonah fredman

        Evidence of “Palestinian wish for political self-respect in 1897?”

      • yonah fredman
        August 11, 2017, 3:21 pm

        Jack- No evidence is necessary. If they were not awake in 1897, they were soon to wake up.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 3:45 pm

        “Jack Green either refutes the prima facie case or stops spewing his ridiculous white racist genocidal Euro nonsense.”

        Stop? “Jack” can’t stop, he’s fighting for Israel’s honor…

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 3:57 pm

        YoniFalic

        People can’t control their thoughts or emotions &
        should only be judged by their behavior.

      • Jack Green
        August 11, 2017, 3:59 pm

        YoniFalic

        Jews fled Europe & ended up all over the world.
        Why was it OK to go to the USA, but not OK to go to Palestine?

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2017, 4:14 pm

        “but I was wondering about the claim that the Zionism of 1897 was racist.”

        Those claims are false. The principles and methods of Zionism were originally conceived and published, oddly enough in 1873 pamphlet for oral hygenists entitled “A Guide to Painless Irredentistry” and was at that time equal-opportunity ideology.
        But because there are so many Jewish dentists, it got to to be sort of a closed club after a while.

      • YoniFalic
        August 11, 2017, 8:41 pm

        Jack Green writes the following.

        YoniFalic

        You talked about Zionists being racist,
        but I was wondering about the claim that the Zionism of 1897 was racist.

        Jack Green has provided a typical example of completely obnoxious Zio hairsplitting/pilpul/quodlibet.

        Okay. I will provide the obvious rewrite.

        On the basis of Zionist writings from before 1897, there can be no doubt that Zionism presumes that the (false) historical and (mythical) national rights of E. European (fake) “Jews” (really Slavo-Turks) are superior to the human, democratic, and property rights of the native population.

        It’s a strong, clear, and convincing prima facie case of the inherent racism of Zionism, which is a genocidal ideology espoused by extremely chauvinist white Europeans.

        Jack Green either refutes the prima facie case or stops spewing his ridiculous white racist genocidal Euro nonsense.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 11, 2017, 9:09 pm

        Jack Green:

        “Why was it OK to go to the USA, but not OK to go to Palestine..”

        I wish there is someone who will explain to you what has been the difference there!! I am speechless..

      • echinococcus
        August 12, 2017, 1:25 am

        Kaisa,

        Yours was the first post I saw sitting back at the puter…

        I wish there is someone who will explain to you what has been the difference there!! I am speechless..

        Well, the difference is not so enormous. Not any longer, that is. The Zionist domination over all aspects of our political life may even be tighter than in Palestine.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        August 12, 2017, 4:14 am

        Echi:

        “Well, the difference is not so enormous. Not any longer, that is..”

        That thought kind of crossed my mind while writing my comment.. But still, when thinking about the history, no houses were annexed and people killed.. I guess that still makes some kind of difference. But I must say that before I found Mondoweiss, I did not have any idea how much power certain groups of people in U.S. have/use in Israel. As I see it now, Israel is just another state of U.S. Without U.S. it would not exist the way it does now.

      • Keith
        August 12, 2017, 11:11 am

        YONI FALIC- “It’s a strong, clear, and convincing prima facie case of the inherent racism of Zionism, which is a genocidal ideology espoused by extremely chauvinist white Europeans.”

        I agree. Anyone familiar with the early Zionists is well aware of their racist attitudes towards the indigenous population. A quote to make a point.

        “Neither Zangwill nor Weizmann intended these demographic assessments in a literal fashion. They did not mean that there were no people in Palestine, but that there were no people worth considering within the framework of the notions of European supremacy that then held sway. In this connection, a comment by Weizmann to Arthur Ruppin, the head of the colonization department of the Jewish Agency, is particularly revealing. When asked by Ruppin about the Palestinian Arabs, Weizmann replied: “The British told us that there are there some hundred thousands negroes [Kushim] and for those there is no value.” http://www.palestine-studies.org/resources/special-focus/zionist-settler-colonialism

      • Jack Green
        August 12, 2017, 12:47 pm

        echinococcus

        So why isn’t the American embassy in Jerusalem?

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2017, 3:47 pm

        “People can’t control their thoughts or emotions &
        should only be judged by their behavior.”
        “Jack Green”

        Does that apply to Zionists or Zionism, “Jack”?

      • Jack Green
        August 12, 2017, 9:02 pm

        Mooser

        Yes.

      • Jack Green
        August 12, 2017, 9:07 pm

        Keith

        That some Zionists were racist doesn’t mean that Zionism is racist.

      • Mooser
        August 13, 2017, 1:35 pm

        “That some Zionists were racist doesn’t mean that Zionism is racist.”

        “Weeell, would you believe….?”

      • Keith
        August 13, 2017, 3:42 pm

        JACK GREEN- “That some Zionists were racist doesn’t mean that Zionism is racist.”

        Some Zionists? Zionism is a particular form of blood and soil nationalism which maintains that the state is not the sum of all of its citizens, but the birthright of a particular people. The Nazis, for example, maintained that Germany was the home of the German people, other residents merely “guests” of the German people. Zionism maintains that Israel is the birthright of the Jewish people, non-Jewish Israelis de facto second class citizens. And the early Zionists were saturated with European racism, Jabotinsky notoriously so. That was, after all, Yoni’s point was it not? That Zionism embodied the European racist colonial mindset from the get go. Racist colonizers don’t share the land with the indigenous population, they ethnically cleanse the natives, the obvious reality. Zionism represents a continuation of European colonialism with fundamentalist religious influences which are gaining in strength.

    • DaBakr
      August 12, 2017, 10:59 pm

      @dr.

      “non racist racist.” and somebody gave you a phd.

  10. catalan
    August 9, 2017, 10:06 am

    Happy to report that Israel ranked number 11 in the world in the United Nations happiness report for 2017- ahead of Ireland, the United States, and Germany: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/norway-named-happiest-country-of-2017/. This is a huge surprise because I thought the boycotts of tomatos, Feta, wine, and Ben and Jerry’s would have made them unhappy. Our commenter Yoni, on the other hand, does not seem happy at all.

    • Mooser
      August 9, 2017, 12:31 pm

      Shalom, “catalan” and make sure to send in some “happy” comments from Israel.

      • amigo
        August 9, 2017, 6:17 pm

        “catalan” and make sure to send in some “happy” comments from Israel.”Mooser.

        Look on the bright side , catalan,s arrival will cause Israel to tumble to the bottom of the “Happiness ” ranking and conversely move the US position to heights it has never reached before.

    • Kaisa of Finland
      August 9, 2017, 5:58 pm

      Oh my, Catalan..

      Please not this same stuff again..

      Greetings from Norway, the happiest country in 2017..

    • amigo
      August 9, 2017, 6:10 pm

      Happy to report that Israel ( again)ranked in the top three least liked or trusted nations on earth. Great company you are keeping catalan.Must be the company Israel keeps that makes yossi and family so happy.Or maybe , the more they are hated , the happier they are.

      What a country. What a people .What a mess.

      2007 http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2706.cfm

      2011 http://www.jpost.com/International/Poll-Israel-among-the-worlds-least-popular-countries

      2012 https://tribune.com.pk/story/380329/iran-pakistan-israel-most-negatively-rated-countries-globally-bbc-poll/

      2013 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/world-hates-israel-in-annual-bbc-poll/

      Apologies for ommitting several years but even you are smart enough to get the message.

    • YoniFalic
      August 10, 2017, 11:07 pm

      BTW, I have addressed the happiness of white racist genocidal Euro Zio invaders in a previous post.

      German non-Jews were extremely happy in Nazi Germany up to the declaration of war that started WW2. Ethnic fundamentalist ideologies, which like German Nazism and Zionism tell the population identified with state that it is an elite special population, seems to provide a form of omphaloskeptic ego-bliss that shows up in these happiness rankings.

      Just as theft of Palestinian assets benefits the invader population in stolen and occupied Palestine, likewise driving Jews out of the German economy along with stealing Jewish assets benefited many German non-Jews. Such theft in the case of Zionism and in the case of German Nazism almost certainly increased the happiness of both self-declared Herrenvölker (master races).

      I have to admit that I was quite happy until Cast Lead and truly believed that we Jews had taken back what is rightfully ours (a common belief of thieves and invaders — the German Nazis convinced themselves that the Caucasus was rightfully German).

      Russian Jewish settler colonist invaders are supposed to be even happier than those born in Israel because they often compare Israel to Soviet conditions

  11. mcohen..
    August 14, 2017, 6:26 pm

    Yoni

    There is definitely a lot of happiness going around and the consternation that the anti zionists display at the unhappiness index leads them to conclude that things need to be tweaked in order to return to that state of happiness after cast lead as in your case ,is admirable.

    What i find really interesting is your own pursuit of happiness by seperating your inner psyche from the fray after the fact.
    I went to israel in 1975 on birth right and remember thinking that the situation created there was one of overreach and that eventually a consolidation will be needed to achieve the so called happiness you speak of.

    There is no denying the jewish connection to the land that is israel but in order for zionism to sustain judaism an equilibrium needs to be obtained.some sort of symbolic reality to help preserve and nuture the true essence of judaism which is to serve as an anchor to God and a way of life that uplifts the human condition.

    On passover we have various foods that tell the tale of jewish nationalism and the land that is israel is spoken about.but what symbolic reality would satisfy our quest for equilibrium.
    The land from sea to jordan.
    The land based on the 67 line
    The land in west jerusalem
    The land where the wailing wall stands
    A small stone from the shores of the galilee
    A grain of sand from the negev

    What symbolic reality could the jews put on the passover plate to achieve that happiness.

    • Mooser
      August 15, 2017, 11:42 am

      “On passover we have various foods that tell the tale of jewish nationalism “

      “land”, “a small stone” more “land” and “sand”. Doesn’t seem like a very nourishing diet.

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