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How can US officials do this–

The U.S. will have its first formal meeting with the Taliban in more than a year over the next couple of days in Doha, which will be followed by a Taliban meeting with the Afghan High Peace Council, the White House announced Tuesday. [Link]

And not meet with Hamas?

For the same reason that we can vouch for the political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt while denouncing the Brotherhood’s cousin in Gaza, Hamas.

For the same reason we worked with Sunni political factions in Iraq though they carried out suicide bombings against Americans even as we demonize any Palestinian group that used suicide bombings against Israelis.

Because there is a double standard in American political life that exalts Israel and deems Israel’s foes terrorists and its critics delegitimizers– when in any other context these would be political matters. Because of the outsize role of the Israel lobby in the US discourse.

H/t Max Blumenthal.

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  1. Xpat
    Xpat
    June 19, 2013, 10:19 am

    Excellent! Have filed away for future use.
    Right now, the argument against negotiating with Hamas is not much used because we have no need for negotiations with them. Hamas is contained between Egypt, the PA and the IDF.

  2. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    June 19, 2013, 10:24 am

    Excellent observation. It would be interesting to hear Obama’s justification, but the chances of any White House ‘journalists’ asking the question are probably pretty slim.

  3. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    June 19, 2013, 10:28 am

    At different points in times in different conflicts the opposition is described as beyond the pale and then later at a different point in time the opposition is deemed worthy of negotiation. Obviously where the US has boots on the ground they can determine that they wish to engage in negotiation with the opposition. In Israel the US does not have boots on the ground so therefore to talk or not to talk with Hamas is a decision left to Israel. At some point (in the past or the future) Israel should talk to Hamas, but it is understandable at this time that the US is not telling Israel with whom to talk. Also given that the US is pushing for a two state deal which Abbas might agree to and Hamas would not agree to,, why would the US push for talking to the party that would kibosh the slim reed that the US is attempting to establish?

    • eljay
      eljay
      June 19, 2013, 12:55 pm

      >> … At some point (in the past or the future) Israel should talk to Hamas …

      If Israel were interested in engaging in sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-benefical peace, the best time to include Hamas in negotiations would be the present.

      >> … but it is understandable at this time that the US is not telling Israel with whom to talk.

      It’s only understandable if:
      – the U.S. is bought and paid for by Zio-supremacists and/or the supremacist “Jewish State”; or
      – the U.S. condones oppression, colonization and supremacism.

      If the U.S. believes in freedom, justice, equality and accountability, it’s not understandable at all.

      >> Also given that the US is pushing for a two state deal which Abbas might agree to and Hamas would not agree to,, why would the US push for talking to the party that would kibosh the slim reed that the US is attempting to establish?

      Because a just and mutually-beneficial two-state deal must include the Palestinians in Gaza. America’s “slim reed” is just another way for the supremacist “Jewish State” to maximize its gains.

    • marc b.
      marc b.
      June 19, 2013, 1:15 pm

      where the US has boots on the ground they can determine that they wish to engage in negotiation with the opposition.

      please. what nonsense. the US does not ‘have boots on the ground’ in Libya, Syria, Iran, and on and on, yet it routinely determines with whom and under what conditions it will or won’t talk to principal players in those countries’ conflicts. the US has greater authority to advise, negotiate with and influence the Syrian opposition than it does Hamas? the US has greater authority to influence ‘regime change’ in Iran than it has the authority to demand that Israel negotiate a settlement with the Palestinians and condition continued aid to Israel on the basis of such settlement? you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 19, 2013, 2:05 pm

      ” In Israel the US does not have boots on the ground so therefore to talk or not to talk with Hamas is a decision left to Israel.”

      Please, do tell us what other positions of the United States Government are being dictated by the Israeli Government, so that I know who to complain to when I disagree with a particular position…

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      June 19, 2013, 4:03 pm

      More lies from Wondering Jew.

      The US Institute For Peace report on Hamas concludes that Hamas has the capacity to negotiate and Hamas rep. Ismail Haniyeh has said that Hamas would agree to normalization in stages.

      Abbas and this 2SS that will never happen, that you refer to, is simply more piece processing.

      Did you not respond to the other thread regarding the economic rotten carrot on the stick?

      I think one commentator described it best, saying that the US and Israel will keep a certain compliant minority of Palestinians employed and the West Bank Palestinians as a whole dependent on Israel through the PA.

      That is what is happening rather than a 2SS.

      But instead of talking about this issue like a normal person, you post your usual petulant passive-aggressive obtuse indignation.

    • tree
      tree
      June 19, 2013, 5:13 pm

      …why would the US push for talking to the party that would kibosh the slim reed that the US is attempting to establish?

      Why, pray tell then, is the US pushing for talking to the Netanyahu Likud government? You seem to be grasping at straws here.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      June 19, 2013, 5:44 pm

      Nixon talked to China. Why doesn’t Obama similarly talk to Iran?

  4. just
    just
    June 19, 2013, 10:43 am

    Our hypocrisy is the root of much evil and the bulk of our “problems” with regard to our foreign policy. Our overriding concern is Israel first, coupled with a mutual drive for regional hegemony. And since Israel views almost everybody in the region as their enemy, we follow along faithfully, to our detriment.

    The entire world watches as the last shreds of our credibility dangle, and we twist in the wind.

    • just
      just
      June 19, 2013, 4:49 pm

      One more thing (aside from the hypocrisy). Why talk to the Taliban now? Why not during the war? It’s stupid, and it further delegitimizes the already illegitimate Karzai and demeans the Afghan people who are the ones who are going to suffer, and always do.

  5. tree
    tree
    June 19, 2013, 11:17 am

    Well, its not really a double standard. Its just a different standard than you think it is, or our government admits it is. We don’t talk to Hamas because Israel doesn’t want us to, so our government makes up a phony excuse to cover the fact that we are taking orders from Israel. The standard is that Israel doesn’t care if we talk to the Taliban so we can talk to them all we want, but Israel doesn’t want us to talk to Hamas, so we don’t. One slimy standard, not a double one.

  6. marc b.
    marc b.
    June 19, 2013, 12:18 pm

    not to mention support of AQ elements in Libya and Syria, support of the Iranian Khmer Rouge (MEK). same double standard hypocrisy as the regular selective release of classified materials by government officials to support their propagandizing of the electorate while they persecute manning. thanks for the indigestion.

  7. lysias
    lysias
    June 19, 2013, 3:51 pm

    OT, in Ireland parliamentarians can speak the truth: Irish parliamentarians spar over ‘war criminal’ Obama’s summit visit:

    President Obama’s visit to the Group of Eight summit has created a political row in Ireland after an outspoken liberal lawmaker on Wednesday denounced the U.S. president as a “war criminal” for his drone use and his decision to arm the Syrian rebels.

    Parliamentarian Clare Daly said her country’s government had showcased the country “as a nation of pimps, prostituting ourselves in return for a pat on the head,” The Irish Times reports.

  8. hophmi
    hophmi
    June 19, 2013, 4:34 pm

    “And not meet with Hamas?”

    I agree. We shouldn’t be legitimizing Hamas or the Taliban.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      June 20, 2013, 9:03 am

      Or Israel.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      June 20, 2013, 6:40 pm

      Hamas is not the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

      And contrary to what an Israel Firster troll thinks, it’s in America’s interest to make peace in that part of the world.

  9. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 19, 2013, 6:13 pm

    US Foreign Policy 101: Guide For Understanding USA’s Foreign Policy: http://mideastreality.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-case-against-israel-or-why-israel.html

  10. Keith
    Keith
    June 19, 2013, 6:22 pm

    “How can US officials do this– And not meet with Hamas?”

    If the US needed to meet with Hamas to achieve strategically important pipeline objectives, they would likely do so. If the US could achieve its strategic objectives in Afghanistan without meeting with the Taliban, it would likely not meet with the Taliban. Only the official pretexts for imperial actions appear hypocritical. Empires do what they will, little people suffer what they must.

    • libra
      libra
      June 20, 2013, 7:07 pm

      Keith: If the US needed to meet with Hamas to achieve strategically important pipeline objectives, they would likely do so. If the US could achieve its strategic objectives in Afghanistan without meeting with the Taliban, it would likely not meet with the Taliban. Only the official pretexts for imperial actions appear hypocritical. Empires do what they will, little people suffer what they must.

      Translation: If you can’t see the impeccable imperial logic behind every move the US empire makes then, unlike me, you are a stupid little person.

  11. Cliff
    Cliff
    June 20, 2013, 6:42 pm

    Here’s the USIP report on Hamas.

    http://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/resources/Special%20Report%20224_Hamas.pdf

    It’s yet another anathema for Zionist trolls everywhere who have no sources to cite except for garbage propaganda organizations like NGO Monitor or UN Watch or other completely un-subtle Orwellian organizations.

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