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Netanyahu met with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff yesterday at his residence in Jerusalem and described the peace process as the “challenge of establishing peace in our region”:

We have so many threats in the region, you know, we’ll have to discuss. But one dwarfs everything else, and that is the threat that Iran will get nuclear weapons. We can work and will work together, are working together, to make sure that doesn’t happen. And in addition to that we have other security challenges and the challenge of establishing peace in our region. So I look forward to discussing all these things with you, and I know you share our common goals, and you work for them too.

Army General Martin Dempsey:

I do very much, Mr. Prime Minister. First… thanks for inviting me into your home and especially so soon after your [hernia] surgery .. I have spent another very productive day with your chief of defense, General Benny Gantz, talking about all those issues and recommitting and reemphasizing and reinforcing our partnership, so you have our commitment to that.

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  1. seanmcbride
    seanmcbride
    August 14, 2013, 12:54 pm

    Prediction: Western national security communities (American and European) will eventually grow weary of the relentless and bullying pressure by personalities like Benjamin Netanyahu to organize their priorities around the expansionist and discriminatory policies of Israel and Jewish nationalism, and will revolt. When that moment comes, it will be sudden, volcanic and irreversible.

    Dempsey may be putting on a friendly face, but it’s easy to guess what he’s really thinking. There can be no doubt about where his true loyalties and priorities lie.

    Israel — even though it believes (often with religious fervor) that the entire universe revolves around and is subordinate to its problems — is only one small piece on the strategic chessboard.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      August 15, 2013, 3:37 am

      “We have so many threats in the region, you know, we’ll have to discuss. But one dwarfs everything else, and that is the threat that Iran will get nuclear weapons.”

      The same crap as in 2003 :

      http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/luntzwexneranalysis.pdf

      “THE ISRAELI AID MESSAGE TREE

      (1) As a democracy, Israel has the right and the responsibility to defend its borders and protect its people.

      (2) Prevention works. Even with the collapse of Saddam’s regime, terrorist threats remain throughout our region.

      (3) Israel is America’s one and only true ally in the region. In these particularly unstable and dangerous times, Israel should not be forced to go it alone.

      (4) With America’s financial assistance, Israel can defend its borders, protect its people, and provide invaluable assistance to the American effort in the war against terrorism.”

      Except now the US is bankrupt

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        August 15, 2013, 1:41 pm

        @seafoid – – I think Obama has made it clear Iran will not be allowed to build nukes. I doubt Netanyahu actually believes Iran could build nukes, and the US would allow it to do so.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        August 15, 2013, 5:16 pm

        Obama will not commit the US to an open ended war in Persia. He wants sanctions to work but what if they don’t?

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        August 16, 2013, 1:58 pm

        @seafoid – – In my view, militarist elements of Israel lobby want an American attack on Iran even if Iran does not move toward actually building nukes.
        Sadly, in my view, Iran has helped the warmongers in various ways which I can assume you know.
        I would expect a blockade of Iranian oil exports by sea, in event Iran stockpiles too much 20U and goes too far with the plutonium programme.
        I very much doubt Obama would try to have the US occupy Iran.

  2. MRW
    MRW
    August 14, 2013, 12:59 pm

    Is Benny Gantz a good (smart) guy or a bad (dumb) guy? I forget. The three keeping Netanyahu in check, keeping him from going off the reservation packing heat for Iran, were Meir Dagan, Yuval Diskin, and a third one.

    Was it Gantz or someone else?

  3. frankier
    frankier
    August 14, 2013, 1:01 pm

    I think a honest broker would go and visit Abbas’ home as well…

    Oh, by the way, what are the “so many threats in the region” Bibi speaks of…? Syria is in disarray, Egypt just fell back in line, Jordan never mind… Just ludicrous…

    • chocopie
      chocopie
      August 14, 2013, 3:03 pm

      “so many threats in the region”: 12-year-olds lobbing stones at armored vehicles; Palestinian theater groups; Arab Idol competitors; people with video cameras; Palestinian political cartoonists; Friends School teachers…it’s a notoriously tough neighborhood.

  4. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    August 14, 2013, 1:08 pm

    Just look at that video.

    Look at the learnt-in mannerism by Netanyahu, the way he talks, look with his eyes, hand gesturing etc. Truly pathetic. Who does he think he is? Hes so fake!

    And look at Dempsey obviously feeling uncomfortable in the situation, especially since Netanyahu trying to impose his views on Dempsey, just like when Netanyahu humiliated Obama in 2011 on 1967 borders.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-DL4ihfM8M

  5. Donald
    Donald
    August 14, 2013, 1:12 pm

    “I have spent another very productive day with your chief of defense, General Benny Gantz, talking about all those issues and recommitting and reemphasizing and reinforcing our partnership, so you have our commitment to that.”

    American pressure on Israel to make a fair and generous offer to the Palestinians is nothing short of relentless.

  6. James Canning
    James Canning
    August 14, 2013, 2:15 pm

    Great photo. And it does bring to mind Obama’s face while enduring lectures from Netanyahu in the White House.

  7. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    August 14, 2013, 6:17 pm

    RE: “Netanyahu met with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff yesterday at his residence in Jerusalem and described the peace process as the ‘challenge of establishing peace in our region'” ~ Weiss

    MY QUESTION: Does this mean that Netanyahu is repudiating Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s view that Jews must unilaterally decide Israel’s borders?

    FROM WIKIPEDIA [Iron Wall (essay)]:

    [EXCERPT] . . . Jabotinsky argued that the Palestinians would not agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine, and that “Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.”[1] The only solution to achieve peace and a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, he [Ze’ev Jabotinsky] argued, would be for Jews to unilaterally decide its borders and defend them with the strongest security possible. . .

    SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Wall_(essay)

    ENTIRE ‘IRON WALL’ ESSAY: “The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs)”, By Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923 – http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      August 14, 2013, 6:30 pm

      P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA [Ze’ev Jabotinsky]:

      (EXCERPT) Ze’ev Jabotinsky MBE (Hebrew: זאב ז’בוטינסקי‎; Ukrainian: Володи́мир (Зеєв) Євге́нович Жаботи́нський), born Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky (Russian: Влади́мир Евге́ньевич Жаботи́нский) (18 October 1880 – 4 August 1940), was a Revisionist Zionist (nationalist) leader, author, orator, soldier, and founder of the Jewish Self-Defense Organization in Odessa. With Joseph Trumpeldor, he co-founded the Jewish Legion[3] of the British army in World War I and later established as number of Jewish organizations such as Beitar, Hatzohar, and the Irgun. . .

      SOURCE – wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze’ev_Jabotinsky

      ALSO FROM WIKIPEDIA [Benzion Netanyahu]:

      (EXCERPT) Benzion Netanyahu (Hebrew: בנציון נתניהו‎, IPA: [ˈbentsijon netanˈjahu]) (March 25, 1910 – April 30, 2012)[2][3] was an Israeli historian. A professor emeritus at both Cornell University and the Hebrew University, his field of expertise was the history of the Jews in Spain. Netanyahu’s son is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. . .
      . . . During his studies, [Benzion] Netanyahu became active in Revisionist Zionists circles, and a close friend to Abba Ahimeir.[6] He was coeditor of Betar a Hebrew monthly (1933–1934), then editor of the Revisionist Zionist daily newspaper Ha-Yarden in Jerusalem (1934–1935).[2] The British Mandate authorities ordered that paper to close.[dubious – discuss][7] He was editor at the Zionist Political Library, Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv, 1935–1940. He traveled to New York and became the secretary to Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the father of the Revisionist Zionism movement.[8][9] Shortly thereafter, when Jabotinsky died, Netanyahu remained in New York and continued his Revisionist activities. He was executive director New Zionist Organization of America in New York 1940–1948, the political rival of the mainstream Zionist Organization of America.
      During World War II, he was one of the Revisionist movement’s leaders in the U.S. At the same time he pursued his PhD at Dropsie College in Philadelphia, writing his dissertation on Isaac Abrabanel.
      Netanyahu believed in Greater Israel. When the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was published (November 29, 1947), he joined others who signed the petition against the plan that was published in the New York Times.[10] During that time, he was active in engaging with Congress members in Washington, D.C.. He returned to Palestine (now the newly-established State of Israel) in 1949, where he tried to start a political career but failed. . .

      SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzion_Netanyahu

  8. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    August 14, 2013, 7:13 pm

    I have followed a great deal of what Dempsey has said over the last several years. He seems like a stand up kind of leader. Not to much nonsense. Think he has made some matter of fact statements about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Google time.

    Quite a leading statement by Netanyahu. But what else is new?

  9. Hostage
    Hostage
    August 14, 2013, 10:43 pm

    I’ve never heard details about this partnership or any of its tangible achievements. If there really is one, I gather it still stops at the Green Line.

    In other news, Haaretz is reminding everyone that:

    Israel says it won’t sign EU scientific agreements that forbid funding to entities based over the Green Line, but it signed such a deal with the United States in 1972.

    The United States-Israel Binational Science Foundation, the main body promoting scientific cooperation between the U.S. and Israel, requires that projects be based inside the 1967 borders.

    “According to the agreement between the U.S. and Israeli governments, projects sponsored by the Foundation may not be conducted in geographic areas which came under the administration of the Government of Israel after June 5, 1967 and may not relate to subjects primarily pertinent to such areas,” the foundation says on its website in the section under eligibility.

    The foundation is one of three primary frameworks within which Israel receives research grants from other nations. The other two are the EU, and the joint German-Israeli GIF.

    An official involved in the foundation’s work says the Israeli government is aware of the clause and that the foundation has never veered from the guideline.
    * http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.541540
    * http://www.bsf.org.il/ElectronicSubmission/downloadForms.aspx

    • ToivoS
      ToivoS
      August 14, 2013, 11:29 pm

      That is a very interesting point. I have been sent a number of scientific proposals over the last few decades from US government agencies that came from Israel. They were all from scientists who were located inside the Green Line. None from the occupied territories. At the time I was puzzled why Israeli scientists were allowed to apply for these US government funds while it was very rare to see proposals from other foreign countries. At the time I gave those proposals the same rigor I would use from any group inside the US. But I did wonder if those grants that were awarded to Israeli institutions were included in the dollars that we were giving Israel at that time?

      In any case, perhaps we might soon see legislation showing up to give US grant money to “Ariel University”. If so, then maybe peer reviewers should take action on their own and torch such proposals.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        August 15, 2013, 12:26 am

        I’ve commented about the United States-Israel Binational Science Foundation in the past, because it is endowed in part by the Israeli government and it has funded some of the studies which concluded that “Jewishness” has a genetic basis, e.g. http://mondoweiss.net/2012/12/head-of-israel-lobby-education-group-boasts-of-fear-political-opponents-feel.html/comment-page-1#comment-524125

        But I’ve never seen any evidence that a real partnership exists between the US and Israeli armed forces. There is no treaty organization or treaty relationship, like our other alliances. There are no joint operations plans or combined staffs. The occasional one-off ad hoc exercises are like these visits by the Chairman of the JCS. They’re political dog and pony shows.

      • Castellio
        Castellio
        August 15, 2013, 1:39 am

        Well, with or without the “partnership” or “treaty”, the US restocks vital military supplies in a timely fashion, ensures Israeli military technological superiority in the region, doesn’t question the nuclear arming of Israel in breach of international promises, shares its most important intelligence information – most notably in the wars against Egypt – and even hides it own losses when attacked by the Israeli military.

        Pretty real, I would say.

        Perhaps the difference to which you are really pointing is that the Israeli military never has American officers over it, unlike the German, Canadian, British, French, etc., and refuses to enter into relations where that would happen.

  10. ziusudra
    ziusudra
    August 15, 2013, 3:10 am

    Greetings seanmcbride,
    …. Israel is but one small piece on a strategic chessboard….
    In 50/100 yrs, the global population will no longer be sustainable
    for water, food, fossile energy.
    Yes, we produce food for 12.5 bill. presently, but we throw most of it away
    to secure our price/product guarantees.
    The US & EU will have enough troubles controlling their own populations plus fending off illegal immigrants.
    Yes, they’ll put their hegemonial imperatives on the back burner & drop their support for Zionistan.
    ziusudra

  11. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 15, 2013, 6:26 am

    Seems there have been some US-Israeli joint military plans and OPs, like the one that pretty much fizzled in October of 2012: http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-scales-down-annual-military-drill-with-israel/

  12. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 15, 2013, 6:46 am

    More. From MW Nov 12, 2012:

    Re. Austere Challenge 12, from Lea Park:

    Bloomberg:
    “Austere Challenge 12 is the largest aerial defense exercise to take place between the two militaries,” the Israeli army said overnight in an e-mailed statement. The three-week drill, involving as many as 3,500 U.S. personnel in the region along with 1,000 members of the Israel Defense Forces, according to the Pentagon.”

    Global Post
    Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, landed in Tel Aviv on Sunday to launch “Austere Challenge 12,” the largest-scale joint military exercise Israel and the United States have ever undertaken, at a cost of $38 million to the two nations.

    al Jazeera
    ,,, with US covering $30 million of that.

    I guess the joint exercise (Involving, US, Israel, and I think an EU rep from Germany) mostly fizzled due to Israel’s OP Pillar Of Cloud. Or because it looked too much like an attack on Iran? I know the latter reason is the reason the original 5,000 US boots on the ground planned was scaled back to a little over a thousand.

    OK, here’s the IDF glowing report of conclusion of the joint exercise on 11-14-12. I think it started on 10-31-12, so it lasted two weeks, was originally scheduled for three weeks.

  13. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 15, 2013, 7:19 am

    Still more: http://world.time.com/2012/08/31/exclusive-u-s-scales-back-military-exercise-with-israel-affecting-potential-iran-strike/

    Apparently the US and Israel military do not trust each other; there’s a US radar station in the desert over there that can detect anything incoming 8 minutes before Israel’s best radar, and only US personnel are allowed to read it. Looks like the US scaled down quite a lot on what was hailed as the biggest joint exercise in US-Israeli military history because the US thought Israel might take the opportunity to hit Iran while the exercise was going on, thus dragging US into the conflict. The chief reason for the exercise was to train better cooperation between US and Israel on missile defense systems protecting Israel, especially from Iran & its proxies like Hezbollah.

  14. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 15, 2013, 8:02 am

    I was referring to the x-band radar system manned by us troops in the Negev desert, which makes Israel think twice about attacking Iran alone: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-x-band-radar-the-us-military-is-pointing-towards-iran-right-now-2012-5

    It’s been there since 2008, and not much in US main media when it was put there along with 100 US Army technicians.

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