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This coming weekend the liberal Zionist organization J Street is holding its annual conference in Washington, aimed at saving the 65-year-old Jewish state by ending its 47-year-old disease– the settlement project– and as I have been making predictions lately about the rage on the right toward any perceived enemies of Israel, I wanted to share this video I saw recently when I was googling Peter Beinart’s name. Beinart is one of the main speakers at J Street this weekend, an avowed idealist who has led the discussion inside the mainstream Jewish community by asserting that liberalism and a Jewish state can be reconciled. Lately he has challenged the American Jewish community to make way for more Palestinian voices, because he sees the increasing toughness/stupidity of the American Jewish community, the result of tying itself to a colonial discriminatory project.

A year or so back, Beinart came out for “Zionist BDS” — a boycott aimed at the settlements, aimed at pressuring the Israeli government to pull back the colonies in order to “save Israel.” I would argue that Beinart’s call has been ineffective; Israel has only increased its settlements.

The above video was apparently crafted by some ass in response to Beinart’s boycott call. I have no idea who put it together; I’m guessing it’s a hard-right Zionist. You will see that the video uses the most rebarbative and disgusting language and imagery in arguing that Beinart is a Nazi and Ku Klux Klanner and anti-Semite, because he called for a limited boycott. Someone put a lot of effort into the production, burning a cross and an Israeli flag or two.

But Peter Beinart puts an Israeli flag in his son’s bedroom so the kid will grow up to love Israel as he does… You’d think he’d be immune from this sort of attack? I think it’s indicative of the demons that exist inside the rightwing Zionist community– here’s another rightwinger calling Beinart a Trojan horse in the temple—  and that the demons are sure to come out in force, dragging their knuckles, if Israel is ever really challenged, by anyone.

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  1. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    September 24, 2013, 12:04 pm

    Wow, those ziofanatics must have got kick out of dressing up as the Klan. They seem to have an unhealthy obsession with them. What a mixed-up, confused and downright absurd piece of propaganda this is. The usual fear mongering and hysteria, all done with an amateur dramatic society who shout slogans written by a student writer keen to impress his sketchy ideas on us. What addled brains they have, it’s so confused that i thought they were aligning the KKK with Zionists who want to hang Beinart. At least that’s the subliminal message that comes out. Can you imagine the meetings and discussions that preceded this, as they all thought how brilliant they were? lol

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      September 24, 2013, 12:55 pm

      “Wow, those ziofanatics must have got kick out of dressing up as the Klan.”

      They have bigotry-envy. After the zios spend all of their lives trying to hide their bigotry against the Palestinians and Arabs in general, they are jealous that the Klansmen just let their hate out there in the open.

      • Krauss
        Krauss
        September 24, 2013, 4:25 pm

        Was I the only one who found the video hilarious???.

        Seriously, I was laughing my ass off for a good few minutes. It did look like something Eli Valley would have produced and as I watched it, before I read the article, I was convinced it was a parody.

        I still do, to some extent. Does anyone actually believe you’d have a serious group of people do that video?
        It was incredibly amateurish, ridiculous and just plain bad, so bad it’s funny.

        It also didn’t help to convey a serious image because the voice of the leader was extremely similar to Dave Chappelle’s and reminded me of his ‘black member of the KKK’ skit a few years ago that was golden.

      • Sammar
        Sammar
        September 25, 2013, 6:19 am

        I found it downright asinine. And of course totally misleading, nobody ever called for a “jew boycott” but of course you can’t really bring the Nazi’s into this unless you twist things.
        What morons – bad video, bad actors, bad intentions……..

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 25, 2013, 11:54 am

        No, Krauss, it was so ham handed that I found it more ridiculous than anything else. But I don’t think that it was intended as parody. It’s been my experience that right-wing political types, of the kind that would make this video, are simply tone deaf in this area and don’t intuitively grasp when their attempts at humor fall flat or, conversely, when their earnest attempt to be [fill in the blank: earnest, clever, edgy, whatever] bleeds into the ridiculous.

  2. American
    American
    September 24, 2013, 12:21 pm

    ‘You’d think he’d be immune from this sort of attack? I think it’s indicative of the demons that exist inside the rightwing Zionist community– ‘

    Ugh.
    No one immune from that ‘cult’… it is crazy. ..very, very, very crazy…Jim Jones kind of crazy.

    “”I would argue that Beinart’s call has been ineffective; Israel has only increased its settlements”

    I dont think liberal zios can be effective in any solution….maybe some like mj have some effect by swattng the lib zios with a little reality.
    But most of the others are like Beinart……their appeal is sort of like the old story of the defense trying to get a cushy hospital stay instead of prison or the death penalty for the teen who killed his parents on the basis thats he’s a orphan now.

  3. seafoid
    seafoid
    September 24, 2013, 12:51 pm

    “But Peter Beinart puts an Israeli flag in his son’s bedroom so the kid will grow up to love Israel as he does…”

    It’ll have all the cachet of the Confederate flag by the time his son has kids..

  4. American
    American
    September 24, 2013, 1:07 pm

    ”Beinart is one of the main speakers at J Street this weekend, an avowed idealist who has led the discussion inside the mainstream Jewish community by asserting that liberalism and a Jewish state can be reconciled”

    That where I just lose it wth these people—–what do they think 99% of the world’s definition and understanding of liberalism is?
    What is Beinart calling liberalism? Does he believe in the policy of maintaining a Jewish majority in Israel? Does he believe that immigration into Israel based on religion or some bloodline is liberalism and western?
    They have so baffled themselves wth their own bullsh-t they think they can get other people to buy it.
    They ought to just stick to their Jewish state ‘exceptionalism’ claim instead of trying to have it both ways cause their own hypocrisy is what traps them when they go outside the zio echo chamber.

    Jewish State democracy = ‘imitation crab meat.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      September 24, 2013, 2:02 pm

      I think that Beinart is simply lying to himself. He’s said that if push came to shove, he would abandon his liberalism to support his zionism. They’re incompatible but he’s pretending they’re not because he likes to think of himself as being liberal.

  5. eljay
    eljay
    September 24, 2013, 1:46 pm

    >> You’d think he’d be immune from this sort of attack?

    Being moderately supremacist simply isn’t good enough for the full-on, die-hard, “f*ck the Palestinians and the rest of the world” Zio-supremacists.

  6. ritzl
    ritzl
    September 24, 2013, 1:46 pm

    Not surprising. A lot of the comments at Open Zion are similar. Emily Hauser was called the c-word a few months back and it stayed up (I flagged it).

    I don’t know why they let it stand, unless they’re attempting to ridicule/discredit that particularly coarse vein of Zionism by exposing it [to more “sensitive” Zionists who just want the land and water and Israeli lifestyle, but really hate how the Palestinians are treated]. Good luck with that. It seems like it’s become generally accepted behavior, if not “normalized.” Annexation inertia.

  7. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    September 24, 2013, 2:39 pm

    They’re attempting to ridicule/discredit that particularly coarse vein of Zionism by exposing it [to more “sensitive” Zionists].

    Yes, that’s what I assume, too.

  8. jon s
    jon s
    September 24, 2013, 2:42 pm

    I found the video so nauseating I couldn’t watch it to the end.
    Some of us on the Israeli Left, whom you call “liberal Zionists”, have paid a personal price for our convictions. I hope Peter Beinart won’t be deterred by this garbage.

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      September 24, 2013, 4:42 pm

      Some of us on the Israeli Left, whom you call “liberal Zionists”, have paid a personal price for our convictions.

      That’s nothing compared to what Palestinians have to endure. So, don’t expect me to feel sorry for you.
      Besides, there’s no such thing as a liberal Zionist. Either you are a liberal or a Zionist.

      • jon s
        jon s
        September 25, 2013, 1:10 am

        GL,
        I’m not expecting you to feel sorry. Clearly your empathy is reserved for one side only.
        People like Beinart are considered “liberal Zionists” , as distinct from right-wing, pro-settler Zionists. Personally, I’m a person of the Left, a Socialist.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 25, 2013, 5:12 am

        I’m a person of the Left, a Socialist.
        No, you aren’t. You are a Zionist. Zionism is right-wing extremist. Therefore, you can’t be a lefty.

      • Ron Edwards
        Ron Edwards
        September 25, 2013, 8:01 am

        jon s,
        Your disgust with the video is noted and I see no reason not to believe you. In that we are agreed.
        I’m writing to highlight your use of the term “one side.” There are no sides in Israel/Palestine. There is a subordinated population whose scattered and often immiserated parts are oppressed. The oppression ranges from onerous discrimination to outright atrocity, depending on the place and time. At no point and in no way does it resemble citizenship (in Israeli terms, “citizen” + “national”), nor is it anything to do with two distinct groups each operating independently and in conflict. It is one self-designated group, possessed of great power, subordinating and abusing another, deprived of any. I repeat – these are not “sides.”

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 25, 2013, 11:56 am

        “Clearly your empathy is reserved for one side only.”

        Beinart doesn’t care that someone came alon and stole the Palestinians’ land, ethnically cleansed them and have held them as serfs for 40-70 years. Why should anyone care that he is called a name?

        “Personally, I’m a person of the Left”

        Baloney. You support an ethnocratic system. There’s nothing “Left” in you but the label you prefer for your self image.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 25, 2013, 1:10 pm

        >> People like Beinart are considered “liberal Zionists” , as distinct from right-wing, pro-settler Zionists.

        The distinction is a matter of degree only. At the end of the day, they all advocate for Jewish supremacism in Palestine. As do you.

      • tokyobk
        tokyobk
        September 25, 2013, 5:58 pm

        GL – Not sure how many books you have read about Zionism or left and right political movements you have read.

        Zionism is nationalism which can be “left” or “right.” Nationalism can even be Socialist. That rings a bell, right?(PS I love Germany, so that is not a dig on the country, just you)

        Zionism began as a “progressive” movement (as in breakaway from history not as in “good”). Labor Zionism was an extremely powerful movement in terms of bringing American and European left types into the idea of a modern (often a-religious) Jewish state organized in collectives such as the Yishuv and Kibbutz.

        But people use “left” and “right” as synonyms for “good” and “bad.” So my guess is to your ear saying that Zionism is “right wing” is just a way to say it is “bad.”

        Without a doubt the most powerful Zionist groups today lean “right.”

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 25, 2013, 6:08 pm

        Zionism is nationalism which can be “left” or “right.”

        Ethnic nationalism (e.g. Zionism, Nazism) is right-wing. Civic nationalism is left-wing.

        Nationalism can even be Socialist.

        Nazis weren’t actual socialists, just like Zionists can’t be socialists. They misuse the word.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 25, 2013, 6:16 pm

        Nationalism can even be Socialist. That rings a bell, right?(PS I love Germany, so that is not a dig on the country, just you)

        How is mentioning the so-called “national socialism” a dig at me? I am neither a Nazi nor do I identify with Nazi Germany.
        Besides, how come you love Germany? You know, Germany is a country where Jews and non-Jews have equal rights. That’s very much unlike Israel.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      September 25, 2013, 5:54 am

      @ jon s
      Personal price? Did some Palestinian goons demolish your home, steal your land, treat you and yours like caged chickens, put you on a subsistence diet? Drop white phosphorus on your family? Keep it from getting to a doctor in a timely manner?

  9. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 24, 2013, 2:43 pm

    Zio-fanatics murdered the Israel PM Rabin. They hand-grenanded lefties. They have not merely attacked Palestinians (which, of course, they have done “in spades”). So why not attack Beinart?

    Didn’t Communists of various flavors hate each other worse than they hated non-communists and anti-communists (and socialists)? The enforcement of ideology (especially in circumstances where the ideology makes no sense) is a fierce business among criminals. If we do not hang together, they may hang us separately.

    Let’s hear it for “they”. Peter Beinart is not among the “they” I fear.

  10. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    September 24, 2013, 3:05 pm

    RE: “The above video was apparently crafted by some ass in response to Beinart’s boycott call. . . [T]he video uses the most rebarbative and disgusting language and imagery in arguing that Beinart is a Nazi and Ku Klux Klanner . . . “ ~ Weiss

    SPEAKING OF KU KLUX KLANNERS: This video reminds me a bit of a Purim photo I saw on an Israeli blog several years ago. The photo was of three individuals on a city street (Tel Aviv, I think) dressed in their Purim costumes and proudly ‘aping’ for the camera. The three were attired in pristine, white, hooded, KKK robes and regalia. Their faces fully covered except for two small holes for their eyes. Their robes were even adorned with ornate cross patches that looked to me like the official KKK insignia.

    FOR ANOTHER EXAMLE OF KKK-TYPE PURIM FUN, SEE: “Dear Congress: What the Purim video reveals about the racism embedded in the Israeli state structure”, by Scott McConnell, Mondoweiss, 3/12/10
    This is about a ninety second video of Israeli settlers holding a Purim Party in East Jerusalem. In it, the settlers are singing a song of praise for Baruch Goldstein, the American born Jewish doctor who shot and killed twenty-nine Palestinian worshipers in Hebron in 1994.
    “Dr. Goldstein, Dr. Goldstein” their song goes, “Everybody loves you.”
    Link – http://mondoweiss.net/2010/03/dear-congress-what-the-purim-video-reveals-about-the-racism-embedded-in-the-israeli-state-structure.html

  11. Xpat
    Xpat
    September 24, 2013, 3:17 pm

    I have no idea who put it together; I’m guessing it’s a hard-right Zionist.
    There is a story about a Jewish shoe shop owner in a Southern town back in the day who watched, from his shop doorway as the KKK paraded down the town’s main street. He just stood there quietly as the Klansmen walked by. Afterwards he was able to say exactly which of his customers and neighbors were in the Klan. He recognized the shoes and remembered who had bought them.
    It’s telling that the creators of this garbage hid their identity. Here’s looking forward to learning from someone smarter than me whose money and sick brain is behind this.

  12. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    September 24, 2013, 4:36 pm

    These strange KKK people can’t even spell “Beinart” or “Juden” properly. Clearly, they aren’t particularly bright.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      September 24, 2013, 4:49 pm

      Not only that, but the people behind this video don’t seem to understand that the KKK is not a neo-Nazi organization. While there is much overlap between the two, they are not the same, so all the pro-Nazi Germany stuff was completely out of place.

  13. hophmi
    hophmi
    September 24, 2013, 5:26 pm

    Yeah, it’s all very disturbing, but what’s the point you’re trying to make, Phil? You have similar fissures in the pro-Palestinian movement; there’s a cold war between the Islamists on Hamas and the secularists of Fatah.

    And you bear some responsibility for it. The right-wingers attack Beinart because they think you and him are the same.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      September 24, 2013, 5:52 pm

      There is no fissure in the pro-Palestinian movement in the context we’re talking about.

      Phil is talking about American liberal Zionists.

      AFAIK, Hamas and Fatah haven’t chimed in on SJP or Code Pink or Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky or whatever other components of Palestinian solidarity stateside.

      But once again, it’s typical of a troll to INTENTIONALLY miss the point (ie STRAW MAN).

    • tree
      tree
      September 24, 2013, 6:07 pm

      And you bear some responsibility for it. The right-wingers attack Beinart because they think you and him are the same.

      Wow, now there’s one sick statement. Phil’s to blame for this hate-filled video because the makers of the video really intended it for Phil and confused Beinart’s views with Phil’s views? The video would not have been so “disturbing” if it had been
      properly directed at Phil?

      One of the points that should be made is that despite the meme that Zionists are concerned about Jews, in reality that’s not necessarily true. Some of the most heinuous slurs at individual Jews have been flung by right-wing Zionist Jews. They “love Jews” to the extent that those Jews agree with the Zionists’ approved tribal line. Step out of line and prepare to be emotionally and physically assaulted, and be told, as Phil just was, that the assault is his own fault.

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      September 24, 2013, 6:10 pm

      And you bear some responsibility for it. The right-wingers attack Beinart because they think you and him are the same.

      How much responsibility does Phil Weiss bear for this hate propaganda?

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        September 24, 2013, 6:25 pm

        hoppy the Zionist schizophrenic is saying that the right-wing Zionists only hate Beinhart because of Phil Weiss, so it’s all actually Phil’s fault and not the hateful right-wing Zionists!

        LOL

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      September 24, 2013, 6:23 pm

      translating hoppy the troll:

      quick superficial acknowledgement of the disturbing nature of the video, followed by the rest of his post condemning Phil Weiss and then whitewashing the video by equivocating w/ alleged ‘fissures in’ the pro-Palestinian movement (via a straw-man wherein Hamas and Fatah are the ‘pro-Palestinian’ movement LOL).

    • Ron Edwards
      Ron Edwards
      September 24, 2013, 6:51 pm

      It’s like following an untrained puppy around today, with this guy. Hoppy, your little piles all smell the same. Newsflash again: mentioning “Hamas! Hamas!” doesn’t work any more.

    • American
      American
      September 24, 2013, 7:14 pm

      ”And you bear some responsibility for it. The right-wingers attack Beinart because they think you and him are the same.”’..hoppy

      Of course!…in the hoppy zio brain everything a zio does is someone elses fault.
      Some days believe it or not I actually feel sorry for you cause dont even see that you as a Jew are nothing to Zio,Inc. but cattle for their ranch. Privilaged cattle, but still just cattle, a cattle fence to protect them, not you. They dont love you buddy boy, not at all.

      • Ludwig
        Ludwig
        September 24, 2013, 9:00 pm

        Why must we always use language like “Zio” and “Hasbrat” I don’t use “Pali” and “Pallywood” in fact, if I did it would be censored. So my question Annie, why the double standard?

        Can you not have a respectful debate without calling others brain damaged cattle drivers?

      • American
        American
        September 25, 2013, 5:15 pm

        Ludwig says:
        September 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm

        Can you not have a respectful debate without calling others brain damaged cattle drivers?>>>>>>>>>

        You will get no respect from me.
        And there’s nothing to debate.
        There are only Zio lies to counter.

    • NCINA
      NCINA
      September 27, 2013, 10:08 am

      @Hophmi – they ARE the same!

  14. Ludwig
    Ludwig
    September 24, 2013, 6:23 pm

    How is this any different than people on this website comparing Zionists to Nazis?

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      September 24, 2013, 10:43 pm

      don’t know what point you are making Ludwig, but the National Socialism (NAZI) movement promoted National Identity. It used ideas of race, stories and myths of heroic -larger-than-life characters to give national identity. To unite a people behind a cause, it also pushed ideas of victimology — that the world was against the German nation. That along with the idea of exceptionalism, and even superiority over others.

      And it found it’s enemies. And used ideas of ancient myths and peoples to annex other countries.

      This is how ALL National Social movements operate. Zionism, Nazi-ism, extreme American Patriotism — the god, guns, guts and glory thing. It is all the same.

      • Ludwig
        Ludwig
        September 24, 2013, 11:00 pm

        Ellen,

        That’s one way of looking at it. Another comparison is seen right in the video. My point is I don’t really see any difference at all between erroneous and hurtful comparisons between Israeli Jews and Nazis and comparisons between the Nazi boycott of Jews and the BDS boycott of Israel.

        Maybe both sorts of comparisons should end? Think about it.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 25, 2013, 5:32 am

        My point is I don’t really see any difference at all between erroneous and hurtful comparisons between Israeli Jews and Nazis and comparisons between the Nazi boycott of Jews and the BDS boycott of Israel.

        Nobody compares (all) Israeli Jews to Nazis. We compare Zionists to Nazis.
        Zionism = ethnic nationalism
        Nazism = ethnic nationalism
        Zionism = Nazism
        It’s the same idea: One state for one ethnic group. The unwanted ethnic groups are removed by ethnic cleansing. They are expelled, put into a ghetto, or killed. There’s conquest of new living space in the east. Mixed marriages are forbidden. There are Zionist graffiti that say “Arabs to the gas chambers”, “Gas the Arabs”, “Death to the Arabs”, “Kill the Arabs”, “Arabs = an inferior race”, “Spill Arab blood”, “Die Arab sand-niggers”, “Exterminate the Muslims”. There are numerous Zionists who refer to Palestinians as “animals”. An IDF general once stated that when dealing with Palestinian refugee camps, Zionists need to learn from Nazis how they crushed the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. So, how could I not draw these parallels? The Zionists draw these parallels themselves.

        The boycott of Israel must be compared to the boycott of Nazi Germany, not to the Nazi boycott of Jews.
        Boycotting Jews for being Jews is fundamentally different from boycotting Jews for being Zionists.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        September 25, 2013, 6:05 am

        @ Ludwig
        You don’t respond to the philosophical similarities of the ideologies of Nazism and Zionism. Where does the BDS boycott of apartheid S Africa fit in your hurtful comparison theme as you illustrate it?

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        September 25, 2013, 7:23 am

        BDS isn’t aimed at Jews.

        It’s aimed at Israel and the occupation/colonization/apartheid practiced in Palestine by Israel.

        And it’s not Israeli Jews who are compared to Nazis – as if ‘Israeli Jews’ as an identifier is the prime focus – it is Israel and Zionism.

        It’s not about gas chambers – it’s about the nationalistic fervor in Zionism and the racism/bigotry/chauvinism/etc. espoused by adherents of Zionist ideology. It’s about the supremacy complex.

        Zionists present themselves as supremacists but also as victims and this repulsive mix is unique because it incorporates the history of Jewish suffering and ‘weaponizes’ it.

        I wouldn’t say it is representative of Jewish identity historically. It’s just a bunch of nationalistic goons (the same all throughout history) who shamelessly milk past suffering to justify present political realities and goals.

        That’s something you can relate to, Ludwig – since you shamelessly promote the Holocaust Industry and concern-troll this blog.

        That makes you especially disgusting.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        September 25, 2013, 8:25 am

        Ludwig, you have moved the target from comparing the dynamics national social movements like NAZI, Zionism and others to the use of Boycotts to protest those movements.

        Comparisons are never perfect, but do help us understand. Yes, it can be hurtful, but truth hurts.

        As an aside, I did not watch the above video as it is probably too upsetting.

        These guys use the imagry of the KKK to smear Beinhart. It is ironic and stupid.

        When it was founded, it went after post war carpetbaggers and other threats to the established way of life in the South. In Bernard Baruch’s autobiography, he discusses his father’s inovolvement in the early KKK. The Baruchs, like many Jews of the South, had been there from the earliest settlements and the post war conditions wiped away the former order and established prosperity. The KKK was born out of this resentment, but quckly denegrated into an ignorant angry white man’s ugly costume party.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 25, 2013, 12:32 pm

        “My point is I don’t really see any difference at all between erroneous and hurtful comparisons between Israeli Jews and Nazis and comparisons between the Nazi boycott of Jews and the BDS boycott of Israel.”

        The problem with your position is that the comparisons between the acts of the Nazis and the acts of israel are usually not erroneous, but those who cheerlead for israel and its apartheid system think that the fact that they favor the Judeo-supremacist state should turn a valid comparison into an invalid one by fiat.

        “Maybe both sorts of comparisons should end?”

        Why? Pointing out when the israeli state acts like Nazis is a very useful tool for opening people’s eyes to the evil of the zionist system. Why in the world would anyone want to give that up?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        September 25, 2013, 3:55 pm

        Um-hmm – brilliant logical reasoning, German Lefty.

        Let’s try another one

        Sky=blue
        Sea=blue
        Sky=Sea.

        Let’s try another:

        Merkel = Chancellor
        Hitler = Chancellor
        Merkel=Hitler.

        Yes, fantastic logic.

        “It’s the same idea”

        Yes, Israel provides child subsidies and free education to its Arab citizens, and there are Jewish/Arab schools, and Arab members of parliament and so on. That’s exactly the same thing as throwing them in concentration camps, banning them from all professions and government jobs, and so on.

        “There are Zionist graffiti that say “Arabs to the gas chambers””

        Yeah, and of course, graffiti is the same as whatever most people in a society think. There’s graffiti in my neighborhood that says “Sarah/Stupid.” That must mean that Americans think everyone named Sarah is stupid. I mean, hey, we have the Minutemen here. It must mean all Americans hate immigrants, right?

        You really are a hate figure.

      • American
        American
        September 25, 2013, 5:18 pm

        “Maybe both sorts of comparisons should end? Think about it.”…Ludwig

        Not going to end. Just beginning.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 26, 2013, 1:29 pm

        Let’s try another one
        Your use of logical fallacies doesn’t prove me wrong. Just because you chose the same “form of presentation” doesn’t mean that my content is as incorrect as your content.

        Israel provides child subsidies and free education to its Arab citizens, and there are Jewish/Arab schools, and Arab members of parliament and so on. That’s exactly the same thing as throwing them in concentration camps, banning them from all professions and government jobs, and so on.
        Don’t try to distract. Comment on what I wrote. Are you denying that the Nakba happened? Are you claiming that Israel doesn’t deny the Palestinian refugees their right of return? Are you denying that Israel occupies the West Bank and builds settlements there? Are you denying that Israel turned Gaza into a prison ghetto? Are you denying that Israel doesn’t allow marriages between Jews and non-Jews? Are you denying that non-Jewish citizens are a demographic threat to a “Jewish state”?

        Yeah, and of course, graffiti is the same as whatever most people in a society think.
        Well, if you don’t believe the graffiti, then perhaps you believe Israeli politicians, Israeli school books, and Israeli airport staff.
        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/to-understand-the-history-of-palestinian-dispossession-look-to-the-words-of-zionist-and-israeli-leaders.html
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/racist-incitement-by-israeli-public-figures-doubled-in-2012-study-shows.premium-1.510230
        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.540278
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/07/israeli-school-racism-claim
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/israeli-passengers-stickers.html/

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 26, 2013, 3:13 pm

        Um-hmm – brilliant logical reasoning, German Lefty.

        Let’s try another one

        Sky=blue
        Sea=blue
        Sky=Sea.

        Let’s try another:

        Merkel = Chancellor
        Hitler = Chancellor
        Merkel=Hitler.

        Yes, fantastic logic.

        Stupid, stupid argument, hoppy. German Lefty is defining a comparison that is based on an attribute that is probative and relevant to the issue. Yours are trite, meaningless and irrelevant.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        September 27, 2013, 10:47 am

        @GL: Please, look at the enclose video, and tell me your opinion about it. It is in Arabic, but you need to learn only two words in order to understand the spirit of the song: “Al-Maut La-Israyil” – “Death to Israel”.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 27, 2013, 1:17 pm

        “Please, look at the enclose video, and tell me your opinion about it. It is in Arabic, but you need to learn only two words in order to understand the spirit of the song: “Al-Maut La-Israyil” – “Death to Israel”.”

        Given your state’s history of murder and oppression over the last three generations, what do you expect your victims to sing about you? “Oh, Israel Please Kill More Of Our Children”???

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        September 27, 2013, 1:35 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1:
        I know that some Palestinians shout “Death to Israel”. And I sympathise with them. As I already said many times before, wishing death to a (supremacist) state is NOT the same as wishing death to people. Anti-Zionists ONLY wish death to Jewish supremacism, NOT death to Jewish people. Otherwise, we would shout “Death to Jews”. But we don’t!
        Actually, it’s the Zionists who shout “Death to Arabs”. The Zionists wish death to people. Therefore, the Zionists are the terrorists.
        Again:
        Anti-Zionists shout “Death to Israel”, i.e. a supremacist state.
        Zionists shout “Death to Arabs”, i.e. the indigenous people.
        These two things are NOT the same at all. Do you understand the difference now?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        September 28, 2013, 12:15 am

        GL: Thanks, but I really don’t understand the difference you try to explain. Look, I sent you this video only because I see many times that you write “Zionists call death to Arabs”. First, it is a generalization to write Zionists. Who are the Zionists that you refer to? Zionists are not a small group of young right-wing extremists, a Zionist can be a settler, a Kibutznik, a man from Tel-Aviv, a Professor in the university, me and even several Arabs and Druzes declare them self Zionists.

        In Israel, calling “death to Arabs” or to any other group (like homosexuals), writing racist graphities on walls and any racist act, is a criminal act before the law. Many people were punished for such crimes in Israel. Any way, be sure that the people calling “death to Arabs” are few and considered as lunatic fringe in Israel exactly like the group of Neo-Nazis that don’t represents Germany and I am sure they are less than 0.1% of the German population. More, not each claim was said by an Israeli, or Zionist if you wish, represents the Zionism and the state of Israel. Many people that said such moronic things were punished.

        In other hands, the video I sent you is not aimed to “death to Israel as a state”. It is your interpretation. If you looked at the photos you probably saw our victims of terror attacks and the way they proud that they caused these victims. For someone who speak Arabic, the message is very clear.

        One more thing, please, don’t compare nothing in this planet to Nazism. I am not going to teach you what Nazism is since I sure that you, and everyone, can learn by them self. By comparing Nazism to any thing you are destroying the memory of the Nazism victims, and I don’t speak only on the Jewish victims.

  15. kalithea
    kalithea
    September 24, 2013, 9:44 pm

    What is a “Liberal” Zionist but the worst kind of Zionist of all. At least we know that the radical Zionist is really tearing Zionism down while the “LiberZio” is trying to sell you Zio snake oil. Do I feel pity for Beinart? Do I feel sad that Zionists eat their own? Naaaaaaaaaw, I’m loving every minute of it!

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      September 25, 2013, 5:33 am

      Do I feel sad that Zionists eat their own? Naaaaaaaaaw, I’m loving every minute of it!

      Exactly!

  16. Inanna
    Inanna
    September 25, 2013, 3:03 am

    The problem for zionists is that the disease is actually as old as their state – 65 years. It didn’t just spring up in 1967. It began in 1947 and continues to this day. Please stop falling into the trap of making 1967 a new, distinguishing feature when it’s just a continuation of the same.

  17. seafoid
    seafoid
    September 25, 2013, 4:56 am

    I read in the FT that the Daily Beast lost $12m last year and that Tina Brown has jumped ship. I guess that explains Beinart’s triangulating – he has to please whoever is funding his journalism.

  18. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    September 25, 2013, 6:23 am

    Anyone else find it odd that the fake KKK marchers sport a sign calling for beheading? I don’t recall seeing the KKK doing that, seems lynching was the much preferred and all American method. Perhaps this poster was recycled from an anti-Muslim poster from a similar effort by the person who created this video.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      September 26, 2013, 3:07 pm

      I noticed that, too. It’s a racist dog-whistle. The anti-Muslim bigots who will be attracted to this video will understand the comparison between Muslims and Kluckers being made here, even though your average bedsheet wearer is more than likely hates Muslims as much as the people behind this video.

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