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“A vicious campaign is being waged against me and the lecture I am due to give at the Jewish Museum Berlin on Friday.  The Jerusalem Post has just stoked the flames,” writes Brian Klug, a philosopher at Oxford and founder of Independent Jewish Voices in Britain.

From The Jerusalem Post:

Klug is the keynote speaker at a two-day conference scheduled for Friday and Saturday titled “Anti-Semitism in Europe Today: the Phenomena, the Conflicts.” The second day of the conference will mark 75 years since the pogrom referred to as “Kristallnacht,” in which the Nazis and ordinary Germans burned synagogues, murdered Jews and sent German Jews to concentration camps.

At the heart of the campaign is a McCarthyite “dossier” that Israel supporters have compiled to smear Klug. He describes it:

It’s a classic case of a kangaroo court. Reading it, I felt a little like Socrates at his trial: he opened his defence by saying that listening to his accusers he nearly forgot who he was.

The Times of Israel has also published some of the dossier. Here are a few of the Klug jurors, per the Post:

Elhanan Yakira, a professor for philosophy at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, said that the “Jewish Museum would rather deal with dead Jews or with a Jew à la Brian Klug” than with “the life, the feelings and thinking” of the majority of Jews in Israel and the United States.

Gerald Steinberg, a political studies professor at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, termed Klug “an immoral anti-Zionist” and accused the Jewish Museum of acting in the same immoral way by hosting Klug….

The controversy has reached Angela Merkel. From the Post:

Dr. Shimon Samuels, who heads the European office of the Wiesenthal Center, wrote an appeal on Tuesday to German Chancellor Angela Merkel on the website of the European Jewish Press.

Samuels’s letter is here. It says that Jews killed in Israel are heirs of Holocaust victims:

“Kristallnacht” must not be abused as an icon for those who wish to decouple the Jewish victims of Nazism from their heirs, the Jewish victims of today—whether in Israel or Diaspora. It is, indeed, so much easier to mourn for the Jewish dead of 75 years ago than for those of today.

Was the Berlin Jewish Museum created, at the cost of Germany’s taxpayers and international donations, to demonize Israel, serve as a fig leaf for antisemitism and to commit memoricide—the murder of the memory of those murdered?

Klug’s response to me:

One of the worst things about this hate campaign is that it detracts so much from the solemnity of the occasion — Kristallnacht — and the seriousness of the subject: antisemitism.

As readers’ comments show, I am now a Nazi and a total monster in the eyes of some people. I worry a little about this. We know from the history of antisemitism that hate speech leads, sooner or later, to violent acts. It’s all so incredibly ironic.

Klug is an Oxford scholar and author of Being Jewish and Doing Justice, a collection that included a superb essay that is also cited in the dossier, his piece on the absurdity of demanding of those who engage in the debate over the conflict, as a “ticket to ride,” that they affirm that “Israel has a right to exist.” Agreeing to that condition, Klug wrote, is giving a blank check to those who state that Israel is the state of the Jews. Klug refused to issue the affirmation, or its denial either, as a premise for his engagement.

He says that this JTA report is quite fair, if not entirely accurate. Excerpt:

Among the critics’ claims is that Klug denies Israel’s right to exist.

The accusation and others are false, Klug told JTA in a weekend email.

“My attorney has confirmed that the dossier is defamatory and …  I am weighing my options,” said Klug, who has been active in British Jewish movements that are critical of some Israeli policies on the Palestinians.

The dossier includes a 2004 piece at The Nation, “The Myth of the New Anti-Semitism.”

German political scientist Dr. Clemens Heni told The Jerusalem Post, “Brian Klug is a bad choice as a keynote speaker at a conference on anti- Semitism because he denies that there is a new anti-Semitism. In his view this is a ‘myth,’ as he wrote in [New York-based magazine] The Nation.”..

What about that piece in the Nation? Adam Shatz of the London Review of Books writes:

Brian’s article for me when I was literary editor of The Nation, The Myth of the New Anti-Semitism, is being distorted as denial (and self-hatred, of course). The purpose of Brian’s article was to explain, not to excuse, and to argue that the attacks on Jews in Europe at the time of the Second Intifada could not be understood as the latest manifestation of ancient Jew hatred but had to be placed in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the war on terrorism.

Read that piece. It includes a brilliant explanation of the ways that Israel has consecrated itself among Jews as the touchstone of Jewish identity– and the risk that this poses to Jews. Many of us have had this idea; I don’t think I’ve ever seen it expressed so logically and precisely. Klug:

In Europe, its original home, antiSemitism is an old and deeply rooted cultural trait that from time to time… has found political expression. In the Arab and Muslim world today it is, roughly speaking, the other way around: The political conflict is what comes first and goes deep, while anti-Semitism is a secondary formation, a byproduct of aspirations and grievances that have nothing to do with a priori prejudice against Jews (although such prejudice was hardly absent from the Muslim world before the creation of Israel). Foxman says that anti-Semitism is “rampant in the world of Islam” and warns against its “spread” in Europe due to the burgeoning Muslim population. But without a doubt, it would not be spreading within Muslim communities in Europe were it not for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, especially the current crisis that began in 2000 with the breakdown of the Oslo peace initiative and the outbreak of the second intifada…

[This] misconception goes to the heart of the complex situation in which Jews find themselves today. Israel does not regard itself as a state that just happens to be Jewish (like the medieval kingdom of the Khazars). It sees itself as (in Prime Minister Sharon’s phrase) “the Jewish collective,” the sovereign state of the Jewish people as a whole. In his speech at the Herzliya Conference in December, Sharon called the state “a national and spiritual center for all Jews of the world,” and added, “Aliyah [Jewish immigration] is the central goal of the State of Israel.” To what extent this view is reciprocated by Jews worldwide is hard to say. Many feel no particular connection to the state or strongly oppose its actions. On the other hand, in spring 2002, at the height of Israel’s Operation Defensive Shield, Jews gathered in large numbers in numerous cities to demonstrate their solidarity, as Jews, with Israel. Many Jewish community leaders, religious and secular, publicly reinforce this identification with the state. All of which is liable to give the unreflective onlooker the impression that Jews are, as it were, lumping themselves together; that Israel is indeed “the Jewish collective.”

Not that this justifies, not for one moment, a single incident where Jews are attacked for being Jewish; such attacks are repugnant. But it does provide a context within which to make sense of them without seeing a global “war against the Jews.” There is no such war. It is, in fact, as much a figment of the imagination as its mirror image: a Jewish conspiracy against the world. Jews have good reason to be concerned about growing hostility toward them. But while this includes the revival of hard-core antiSemitism, it is closer to the truth to say that anti-Zionism today takes the form of anti-Semitism rather than the other way round.

 

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  1. Shmuel
    Shmuel
    November 7, 2013, 12:34 pm

    Just to take stock for a moment, Brian Klug (a very decent man) is being attacked by the author of Post-Zionism Post-Holocaust (which seeks to link anti-Zionism and Holocaust denial); the founder of NGO Monitor; and the head of the European office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center (which sees no irony whatsoever in building a “museum of tolerance” on an ancient Muslim cemetery – against the will of the local Muslim community).

    How could it possibly be anything but a nasty smear job? I hope the directors of the Berlin Jewish Museum know better than to take any of this seriously.

    I know of another (Jewish-organised) event at which Klug will be speaking, which has come under attack (by the mainstream Jewish community) for being “extreme and divisive”. I suspect that Klug’s participation lies at the heart of the matter.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      November 7, 2013, 12:51 pm

      Steinberg is a grade A scumbag for yesha fascism and the SW crowd are as hysterical . I would have said they were directly descended from the Masada crowd but unfortunately there is no proof the ashkenazim have any link to them.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      November 7, 2013, 1:12 pm

      Thank you for that context, Shmuel. Should have had that Mamilla info in my story.

  2. EUR1069
    EUR1069
    November 7, 2013, 12:37 pm

    It’s good to have a British Norm Finkelstein on the other side of the Big Water

  3. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    November 7, 2013, 12:39 pm

    The idea that [1] Israel has a right to exist and [2] its existence being OK it may therefore do as it pleases, choose any form of existence it pleases as to territory, laws, treatment of its population and its exiles (which I take to be a pillar of today’s Zionism) is like * * *

    * * * saying that a fellow who opens a savings account in a bank [1] has a right to his savings account in the bank and [2] therefore has a right to transfer any money in the bank to his account.

    The [1]-propositions do not justify (and nothing else does either) the [2]-propositions.

  4. Don
    Don
    November 7, 2013, 1:02 pm

    I don’t think this is relevant…probably it is not. But seeing a Professor of Philosophy from the Hebrew University mentioned above (Elhanan Yakira) reminded me of… Father Marcel-Jacques Dubois, and Avital Wohlman.

    Father Dubois, a Dominican priest, was, I think, the chairman of the department of philosphy at Hebrew University for many years. I think Avital Wohlman, now prof emeritus of philosophy, was one of his doctoral students. One of her books was an imagined dialogue between Thomas Aquinas and Maimonides.

    The Christian Poet of Zion: In Memory of Father Marcel-Jacques Dubois
    Edited by Avital Wohlman
    http://www.vanleer.org.il/en/node/1536

    America Magazine (Jesuit Publication)
    A Righteous Gentile
    http://www.americamagazine.org/issue/627/faith-focus/righteous-gentile

    So how, exactly, did a Dominican priest become chairman of philosophy at The Hebrew University?

    The contradictions of Israel never fail to astound my under-powered little brain.

  5. Bandolero
    Bandolero
    November 7, 2013, 2:15 pm

    Benjamin Weinthal, Shimon Samuels, Clemens Heni?

    In Germany, it’s almost always some of the same narrow circle of well-published people, when it comes to expressing “public outrage” for critical views regarding the zionist apartheid regime. There are probably 20 or 30 more of these guys. These persons are well published by the usual mass media, but their circle is so narrow, that I wait for the time when the German people remark it and become bored of it.

    Will the smear be successful this time? I don’t know. Sometimes they succeed in Germany, sometimes not.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 7, 2013, 9:04 pm

      “… that I wait for the time when the German people remark it and become bored of it.”

      The guilt trip like the eternal flame will go on forever. The Zionists remain vigilant to re-igniting it whenever it starts waning. Memorials and museums that keep sprouting up, at times more than one to a city are part of keeping it going. The Bible says it has to last up to the 3rd and 4th generations; how many still to go?

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        November 7, 2013, 11:32 pm

        Walid

        The guilt trip like the eternal flame will go on forever. The Zionists remain vigilant to re-igniting it whenever it starts waning.

        No. Their power is waning in Germany. What’s new is that not a single German mainstream paper participated in this zionist smear campaign.

        I just checked it: Besides the Autrian “Die Presse” – which translated an article of British ex-labor MP Denis MacShane, now Policy Council of Labour Friends of Israel – only the decidedly jewish paper “Jüdische Allgemeine” seems to have reported in Germany at all on this smear campaign, and even that report was more critical about the smear campaign than about the invitation for Klug. The German Mainstream Media completely ignored this zionist attempt to start a smear campaign against the invitation of Klug.

        Compare that with the times when basically the very same zionist smear specialists were able to run a powerful smear campaign against Alfred Grosser speaking in Frankfurt threee years ago:

        https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Alfred+Grosser%22+Frankfurt

        This year they completely lost their ability to successfully run a smear campaign. Times are changing, slowly, but they change, even in Germany.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 11:43 am

        “Their power is waning in Germany…The German Mainstream Media completely ignored this zionist attempt to start a smear campaign against the invitation of Klug.”

        Bandolero, Germany sure has a funny of showing how it’s waning; those 6 free submarines from the German taxpayers is telling me that the guilt flame will never go out there. France has its own flame going and it has been relit not long ago with the guilt of the French railroads.

        As to the German press, it’s not ignoring it but going out of its way to not give it any exposure. Not reacting to it is a sure way of killing a story. I’d be curious to know who controls the mainstream media in Germany. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned to be Israeli interests.

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        November 8, 2013, 3:27 pm

        Walid

        You are right in that the German guilt of genocide against the jews of Europe will never go away. And rightly so. But the lessons can change, and that’s what’s currently happening in Germany, slowly, but nevertheless it’s happening. While after WWII the main lessons of US-led “re-education” were never again to Nazism and be nice to the jews who are represented by “Israel”, the lesson is now gradually shifting more to “never again to war” and “never again to no form of racism.” That change is reflected for example in the fact that Brian Klug was invited at all, and the German government didn’t back down on Zionist pressure regarding this invitation. That change is also reflected by Germany’s refusal to take part in aggression on Libya and Syria, and refusal to give Saudi Arabia Leo II tanks, though Israel lobbied heavily to the opposite. There are a host of factors behind this slow and gradual German change like that those directly guilty in the genocide against the jews all died, like China and Russia became more important trade partners to Germany as the US, the reputation of the US in germany fell recently due to GWB and Snowden and therefore the grip of the US is loosing on Germany and the US is split on Israel due to differences between Obama and Netanyahu.

        Background: The German mass media is largely controlled by the heirs of old Nazis, see Springer, Bertelsmann, DuMont, Holtzbrinck and so on. Those Nazis and their heirs were put in their influental places after WWII by the Psychological warefare units of the allied (US, Brits, French) armies, and the content of the German mass media (and the content of the allegdly “independent” leftist media, too) was later for decades made or prescibed largely by the CIA. It was the US who forced the German Nazis, which it had put in place to run the Federal Republic of Germany after WWII, to be nice to Israel, written down in the Luxembourg agreement in 1953.

        That grip is loosening now, gradually. The heirs of the Nazis running Germany’s mass media – and large chunks of the politics and the economy, too – are today less influenced by US and Israeli pressure – and blackmail – to be nice to Israel, but more driven by considarations of a public German opinion seeing Israel as ugly fascism and threat to peace and business opportunities with China. Also, the heirs of the Nazis gradually become with time a bit less influental in today’s economy of Germany, because newcomers not connected to the old Nazi networks get more and more power.

        I hope it helps to explain that a bit. And there is one more point: Israel reportedly recently tried to blackmail Germany for more subs for their nukes, but Germany didn’t give in to their demands. The change in Germany is still gradual so far, but there is change.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 4:08 pm

        Bandolero, thanks for your detailed answer, especially on who’s now controlling the media and how America had played a role in setting it up.

        Your comments about how the Germans are now feeling was also very helpful. Blackmail is a very powerful tool, it’s being used by influential Zionists in the States to threaten the French Railways currently bidding to build TGV lines in Florida and California. It’s being threatened to have it recognize and pay for its guilt in having transported French Jews to the death camps as ordered to by the Nazis or it can’t bid on the American TGV contracts. After Germany and the Swiss banks, it’s appearing that the reparations program is really just begining.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        November 8, 2013, 5:51 pm

        The German Mainstream Media completely ignored this zionist attempt to start a smear campaign against the invitation of Klug.

        Right! I haven’t heard anything about it here. If I didn’t read MW, I wouldn’t know about it.
        However, I also found an article about the issue on the German-Jewish Zionist website haOlam: http://haolam.de/artikel_15351.html
        Furthermore, there is a “statement of support for Brian Klug” on the German “Jewish Voice for a just Peace” website: http://www.juedische-stimme.de/?p=1322
        (German article plus English translation)

        We wish to express our solidarity with Dr. Klug and to support his rejection of the polemical accusations in the BICSA dossier. As German Jews and Jews living in Germany, who are also critical of the politics of the State of Israel, we are all too familiar with the common classifications dividing us into pro- and anti-Israel individuals and groups. We consider this polarizing juxtaposition a dangerous simplification. Its main goal is to denounce all voices critical of Israel as “anti-Israel”, to equate them with antisemitism, and thus to silence them. Together with a growing number of critical Jewish organizations such as Independent Jewish Voices in the UK, which Brian Klug supports, we oppose this equating of criticism of Israel with anti-Zionism or antisemitism, specifically from our situation as Jews. And we particularly oppose the silencing of diversity among Jewish voices in the present when commemorating the historical destruction of Jewish diversity on the 75th anniversary tomorrow of Pogrom Night.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        November 9, 2013, 8:41 am

        While after WWII the main lessons of US-led “re-education” were never again to Nazism and be nice to the jews who are represented by “Israel”, the lesson is now gradually shifting more to “never again to war” and “never again to no form of racism.”

        Bandolero, I guess the time you are born shapes perception in this context. For my generation it was still mainly walls of silence. How do you want to reeducate if you allow Germany to suppress dealing with the Nazi period in high schools? Yes I am much more skeptic concerning “reeducation” than you are based on my experience. From my perspective the shift from Nazism to Cold war provided that ideology for the necessary continuity.

        You only need to need to get a grasp of the post WWII chaos to understand how complicated it must have on the ground. Add to that that it wasn’t exactly easy to speak out against the Nazis, and the resulting collective protection. It’s no accident that there were quite few jokes about the “Persilschein”. I would be very interested in a huge parcel of petitions handed over by the protestant church in Württemberg now in an American archive. Fact is also that the few that resisted where the losers again in postwar Germany. Maybe that is a general rule? Always better to go with the flow?

        More interesting in our context here:
        Benjamin Weinthal, Shimon Samuels, Clemens Heni?

        I leave out the Simon Wiesenthal Center, I don’t pay attention on their missives for a long time now. I simply cannot, they too often made me angry.

        What is interesting about Benjamin Weinthal is that his American articles are very different, peculiarly different in the US press from what he writes about Berlin in the Jerusalem Post. Were he seems to obfuscate quite bit for the Israeli audience. Considering struggles with these people here on German ground others noticed this too.

        Weinthal strongly relies on AntiGerman network, among others Henryk Broder, Michael Künzel …. They all love to create scandals. About Künzel, I could tell you interesting stories. But: Clemens Heni’s academic wisdom may well offer an interesting look into “new antisemitism” support camp, or their side of the story. I am not sure if I make it but may well take a look at his writings or “scholarship”. He published Daniel Pipes too, by the way.

        To pick up on the age aspect, the AntiGermans lead me back into German left history, more especially the history of left militants. I wasn’t aware of this aspect of the German left Tupamaros till very long ago. Lots of rumors. And strictly that Peter Urbach surfaced in this context lately surrounded by rumors shortly before he died in California does not surprise me. „Rainer, wenn du wüsstest!“[4](Rainer if you knew it all!)

        I guess you are aware that the German equivalent of the FBI was formed with the help of a prominent Nazi leading chancellor Adenauer’s office? The BKA is a part of our secret service structure. There is a book about its genesis. Re-Education? The Israeli’s kept him out of the big Nazi process in Israel, in spite of the fact that he had quite a bit of inside information about Eichman?

        While I have to admit that I occasionally rejoiced when old Nazi cadres were attacked in the seventies, I can also easily admit that I got into a dilemma when German terrorists started to cooperate with Fatah and PLO singling out Israeli or Jewish citizen in the process of whatever hijackings. …

        That was the ultimate starting shot for the AntiGerman ideology. They are quite feared for much longer now in the pro-Palestine camp. They were among the signatories of the Euston manifesto for the left in London targeting the left generally. Their ideology is pretty simplistic pro Israel and pro America everything else follows from that. The camp includes many writers and academics. It also is clearly a good career option. Andrei S. Markovits surfaces in two CV’s I would like to take a closer look at some CV’s then Wikipedia or the web allows me. Markovits was the second examiner in Henri’s case. In the post 911 universe he wrote a paper equating anti-Americanism with antisemitism. He is also a specialist for antisemitism and the German left. Another slightly controversial German academic, seemingly too from the AntiGerman camp works in his department as some type of assistant prof.

        I doubt there will be a general shift in Germany concerning the US and/or Israel. But there you go. I doubt Ströbele–although he scored an interesting coup–will manage to make the future CDU/CSU – SPD coalition, and I think SPD members will ultimately agree, to grant Snowden political asylum. This is just not realistic. Ströbele, by the way is one of the few people in the Green Party, I respect a lot. I am much more hesitant about the general party lately …

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        November 9, 2013, 6:37 pm

        LeaNder

        Yes, I’m aware of the Nazi history of the BKA, the BND, most of the German court system, much of the CDU, the 131er, the German mass media and so on and so forth. I’m also aware that it was the US that put these old Nazis in charge of the FRG after the war. The reason for this is the same as why the US helped the Nazis gain power in Germany before the war: the US saw them as good bullwark against communism. I don’t think it is coincidence that – just as much of the money the Nazis needed to rise to power – much of the Nazi ideology came from the US. I guess you are aware of that? If not, here is a good start for reading more about it: Hermann Ploppa (in German):

        http://www.linkezeitung.de/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5799&Itemid=37

        Of course I know “re-education” was a scam. What else could it have been? Remember, when the US won WWII, racsim was still en vogue in the US, the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which started to change that, happened only ten years after the war ended. And so, US “re-education” in Germany was much more about switching loyalities (obey the US and be nice to Israel) than it was about discharging Nazi persons and values like racism, warmongering etc. But that changes now, slowly, but steadily, and my impression is, that the main driver for that change is that the business relations of Germany with China are now stronger and more profitable than those with the US.

        And, yes, I’m also familiar with the Eichmann case. My impression is, that he was not prosecuted because he played a major role in the genocide. If that was the case many more mormer Nazis – and then post war top German officials – would have been prosecuted. However, even after GDR Politburo member Albert Norden published the Baunbuch, that didn’t happen. My impression is that Eichmann was executed by Israel because he was too talkative regarding secrets and his old zionist friends in Israel feared he could pose a danger for Israels ambition to become a nuclear power. I guesss the ulterior motivation for the Eichmann process was to sent a message to former Nazis in charge of the FRG, that they should close their lips regarding secrets, that they should support giving money to Israel and that they should not dare to challenge Israel in any way. Are you familiar with the researches of Gaby Weber?

        The coordinator of the Holocaust felt resentful in Argentina and he gave interviews. It was only a question of time until a journalist would ring at his door. Adolf Eichmann had become a danger, for his former employer, Standard Oil, for Israel, for others.

        Source: http://www.gabyweber.com/dwnld/artikel/eichmann/ingles/usa_nuclear.pdf

        And, yes, of course I’m aware in the intelligence dealings in the beginning of the leftwing uprising in Germany, the role of Nordens Braunbuch, sting operations by Germany’s intelligence services and intelligence services of others, like that of the US and Israel, that of the GDR and so on. And, yes, of course, I know about Peter Urbach, Mogadishu and the Israeli selection and so on.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        November 10, 2013, 11:20 am

        Bandolera, I am aware of American influences concerning e.g. euthanasia, but strictly for me that are only aspects. For most aspects in the larger Nazi ideology you will find ideological precursors in history. But: as far as I know there is no precedent in the industrial extermination process. …

        You will encounter Ford again in the orbit or sphere of influence of the post Russian revolution White Russian guards spreading the protocols all over Europe and the US also in Hitlers circles in Munich. There you will also encounter the basic equation of the Jew=the revolutionary, with quite a bit manipulation of the numbers, making it artificially look as if the Russian revolution was a purely Jewish enterprise. Another aspect.

        It is no accident that the war against Russia and the extermination process started hand in hand. the ultimate enemy was the Jewish Bolshevism.

        Concerning Eichmann. In a way it fit perfectly into the larger scheme of a few sacrificial offerings. But yes, once Israel was founded it worked just as any other state. Have you read Raul Hilberg’s biography? A really short book.
        He challenged the basic silence that seems to have been agreed on in Israel – the US – Germany. But there is absolutely no doubt that it took for the obvious reason very, very long till his books were translated into German. I can understand that Hannah Arendt of all people became one of his favorite female enemies.

        Which brings us to Eichmann, Arendt’s book that extensively relied on Hilberg’s, research she knew from working as advisor in charge to recommend if his study should be published. Yes people are people no pure heroes ever, there are always warts blind spots and all the rest.

        You didn’t answer my question as to age. Do you recall the mental atmosphere of the sixties? Where lie your origins East or West? Where exactly and at what time? Are you aware of the the biography of Fritz Bauer, or his name? It took quite long but there is a biography for a while now. There you have it, another aspect of the Eichmann chase.

        I don’t like fast and easy explanations or archival misuse for a fast effect. That includes stars like Goldhagen. Which brings us back to the AntiGermans which ride this “academic wave”. I thought I corrected the links above. But they seem to make careers out of chasing “German antisemites”, from my own no doubt biased perspective, now that it is all much more easy to hunt antisemites not based on open antisemitism but on ever more hidden deeper levels than at Fritz Bauer’s time, which had much less German hunters curiously enough. Thus based on my age, I am not too impressed.

        I don’t like easy explanations and that includes the scholars when they sell it seemingly quite well. Kellogs did not get a star based on his study, it was mostly criticized. But the new scholars on Antisemitism seemingly following Goldhagen in search of “genetic trait” of us Germans as antisemites no matter what political camp seems to be much more successful.

        Back to age and background: The area of Germany that interested me most based on my own experiences in high school, was the German south, that was ruled by the French not America. And at one point they had to stop de-Nazification based on the simple fact that teachers became NSDAP members en masse in early 1933, the Nazis even responded to that by not accepting new members for a while. Some may in fact have been simply afraid to loose their jobs, family and all you know. In any case the French modified their rules, otherwise they would have faced a shortage of teachers. The ones rapidly educated to substitute may not have been the ideal solution. I had one such female teacher in mathematics. The only teacher I ever witnessed in that field that constantly needed the type of booklets with the results for teachers, which I had never witnessed any teacher needing before. The closer you look at the context the less easy to decide on people it becomes. Our headmaster who substituted for a outed SS member in that job, took over and immediately hired the guy again as “Oberstudienrat”, or senior teacher. One of my core enemies on closer look while not being a party member himself, rose rapidly from “Realschullehrer” thus someone that had a completely different education to high school teachers as you may know. He also was a stern authoritarian well connected in old Nazi cadres.

        You will even find people that entered the party strictly to be able to find out more. You will also encounter NSDAP members who ultimately helped save the Danish Jews from deportation. So the membership in the NSDAP may not be the last wisdom but what else could have been?

        In any case it feels I have to return to the polemical discussion here on German ground. There is a strong connection of the new antisemitism “shooting stars” with the Bush war mongers over here (The axis of the good/Die Achse der Guten) or the good type of propagandists. The ultimate “shooting star” who seems to have devised empirical tools to get at the more hidden antisemites no matter what political camp, has by now disappeared from list of Hendryk Broder contributors on the Axis of the Good Another “scholarly” manipulator here on German ground is still listed, he cooperated once for German media with false “conflict” statistics widening the “conflict” to the larger “murderous Arab world”.

        I will need to look at both Heni and Rendsman’s publications to understand the discussion over here.

        What I discovered though is something really odd, which at the moment I fail to understand. Concerning Rendsmann’s doctor father, to use the German term simply in translation, now an emeritus at FU Berlin university, I am slightly puzzled. He lists a speech/lecture on Antisemitism, that is not available anywhere as the basis for his “Habilitation” in 1984. I guess that is where I have to start. I have never encountered something like that before. But we all are learning till we die. In any case, this means he is slightly earlier than the AntiGermans with their genesis in 1989 as a response to the German reunification. You will surely remember the non-German fear reactions to that event, the AntiGerman incidentally shared it, but ironically now want Germany to mobilize against the Arab threat no doubt with expanding expenditures for the military.

        What the German pro-Palestine camp so far has not discovered is that Weinthal is not simply an ideologue inspired by the Axis of the Good line of thinking, but is also a fellow of the Defense for Democracy

        Benjamin Weinthal is an internationally-recognized journalist who serves as FDD’s eyes and ears on the ground in Central Europe. He is based in Berlin and is an indispensable member of the Iran Energy Project team, with a knack for uncovering the relationships between European energy companies and Iran.

        I even found articles by him on Foreign policy

        Benjamin Weinthal is the European affairs correspondent for the Jerusalem Post and a Berlin-based fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Follow him on Twitter @BenWeinthal.

        These articles are very, very different from his peculiarly manipulative articles for the JP about German antisemites like the campaign against the former head of Berlin’s center for the study of antisemitism partly taken down by now. Which have only left a trace by a dissenter against the campaign Israeli Yehuda Bauer which seemingly the larger network tried to get into supporting the campaign against Benz but he declined.

        Let me return to my studies, but I would still be able to mentally place you in time and space. Personally I was never anti-American and occasionally got into troubles in Berlin in the early seventies, since you know, you don’t talk to American soldiers. Do you? I make a difference between a country’s politics and it’s people. Would you yourself be here if you weren’t?

        Strictly the absolute irony in targeting Benz was that he started to look into Muslim juveniles and the fact that they are the main targets of the hard core Muslim anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda, and I am not talking of justified critique of Israeli policies. This is something that has to happen here obviously since they are sidelined in our society. What is peculiar in this context is that the new scholars are also active in Jihad watch and hard core anti-Muslim propaganda along the Horowitz – Pipes line of thinking. You know, they never assimilated as well as the Jews did? And that makes all the difference? Fighting their frustration with targeting Muslims collectively as antisemites and losers. Is that a solution?

        Fact is that indeed Jewish people are targeted occasionally. So no one is in the possession of the whole truth in this context, the rest is propaganda. I guess I have to shut up for a while again and look into matters more closely.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        November 10, 2013, 11:27 am

        Hannah Arendt, by the way while borrowing extensively from Hilberg’s research, advised against the publication of his whole study. I found that very, very interesting. What always when I discover faults in my heroes it reminds me only that I may misjudge based on the larger Zeitgeist too. We are all human after all.

        Sorry for this really long response. I’ll shut up for a while. No use either in trying to proofread the above. I would need a lot of time to check if all the links still work. That’s a technical problem here.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 8, 2013, 3:57 am

        The Bible says it has to last up to the 3rd and 4th generations; how many still to go?

        The Bible says that it is God, not man, who “visits iniquity” on the following generations — the same God who also “remembers” kindness for a thousand generations and forgives iniquity, transgression and sin.

        Funny how some people interpret imitatio Dei.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 11:50 am

        “Funny how some people interpret imitatio Dei.”

        Some aren’t simply into imitating God’s virtues, they are actually speaking and acting on God’s behalf.

  6. marc b.
    marc b.
    November 7, 2013, 2:15 pm

    that dossier is depressing. not much evidence of critical thinking among the intellectuals there.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      November 7, 2013, 2:29 pm

      Screaming new antisemitism is powered by a battery that can’t be recharged and sponsored by the boy who cried wolf.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        November 8, 2013, 9:58 am

        You always write (speak) with imagery, 0 seafoid!
        I think you have the soul of a poet.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 10:17 am

        Shukran ya bintbiba. It’s interesting to connect things and Israel with its dysfunction is endlessly fascinating…

  7. Krauss
    Krauss
    November 7, 2013, 2:43 pm

    But while this includes the revival of hard-core antiSemitism, it is closer to the truth to say that anti-Zionism today takes the form of anti-Semitism rather than the other way round

    He muddies the water with this one. It’s also feels like a concession he’s making.
    And even if the former is the one he is talking about, rather than the latter definiton, it’s still a stupid definiton not really rooted in reality.

    The saving grace of the article was that it was written in 2004. You had a lot less room back then, and judged by such time standards, it was an amazing article.
    Today? Less so.

  8. seafoid
    seafoid
    November 7, 2013, 4:07 pm

    There is something quite ironic about a jewish witch hunt against the person chosen to speak at the anniversary of Kristallnacht.

    • EUR1069
      EUR1069
      November 7, 2013, 5:19 pm

      “There is something quite ironic about a jewish witch hunt against the person chosen to speak at the anniversary of Kristallnacht.”

      Welcome to Twilight Zone where nothing is what it seems to be yet everything is possible, including its opposite, where the Zionists can have it in every way imaginable.

  9. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    November 7, 2013, 7:38 pm

    Isarel wants to normalize following behaviors- eviction of villagers,towns,uprooting Olive trees, separate roads , different car plate numbers, different stickers on the passport, stealing water supply, turning Palestine villages into wastebasket for trash,restricting movements of free people within narrow zones , mainatianing military rules for the people under occupation,destroying eductaion,schools,colges,and universities, barring travels for higher education, killing without rules ,killing indiscriminately, restrciting essential supplies necessarry for daily livings,torturing who dare to speak up, torturing who dare to resist, and using or creating any unrelated disturbances to increase the pace of these illegal activities.
    It is antisemtism ,according to Israel to pay attention to these ongoing activities with any negative flavors.
    This is also the very reason that Antisemitism will never disappear from Europe.
    Questioning the useful and lucrative but fully Isareli-manufactured phenomena will force Isarel to accept that antisemtism dont exist in Europe and Israel is guilty of crimes . Both are anathema to Israel.

  10. Walid
    Walid
    November 7, 2013, 8:43 pm

    This is another case of Zionists trying to “head them off at the pass” before the anti-Zionists open their mouths. Brings to mind Bob Simon’ 60 Minutes report in 2012 on the plight of the Christians in Israel and Ambasador Oren kicking up a storm of a complaint about it before it was aired or even knowing what was in it. Here, the Zionist big guns mobilized to muzzle Klug ahead of his scheduled talk. Don’t these guys get tired?

  11. Sumud
    Sumud
    November 7, 2013, 9:14 pm

    Klug must terrify zionists, in essence he is saying ‘never again’ means ‘never again’, not just ‘never again to the jews and if we do it, it’s kosher!’

    A simple, powerful message.

  12. piotr
    piotr
    November 8, 2013, 12:40 am

    Samuels letter is published by Algemeiner, a pretty extreme publication (perhaps no more extreme than Jerusalem Post), it is pretty tedious to read but nicely summarized by the single comment attached below:

    November 7, 2013
    4:26 pm

    GENUGH! Let’s stop this nonsense, referring to these despicable as being ‘Jews’. People like Brian Klug are not fellow Jews. They are B’nei Esau, still trying to kill the B’nei Yakov after so many centuries. We are commanded to Ahavah Yisroel, to love every Jew.
    I refuse to love these golum, Kapos, secular leftist monsters, who walk among us. They are not our fellow Jews, And like Esau hey have forfeited their birthright. They are our worst enemies, committing Fratricide by word and deed.

    I was thinking about some flip comment, but on the second thought, such intense hatred is depressing.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 8, 2013, 3:30 am

      “They are B’nei Esau, still trying to kill the B’nei Yakov after so many centuries.”

      Zionists are never at a loss to dig up something or other from the Bible to rationalize the absurd; here it’s to disparage Klug for being the bad Jew. Ironic that the allegory employed by the Zionists involves the thief, Jacob, that was glorified for his theft on a commandment to do so by God. It’s no wonder these guys can go on stealing the Palestinians’ land because God supposedly gave it to them.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 10:10 am

        To confuse a bot ask how the Shoah fits into Zionism and Jewish destiny. Did Gd have to kill all those people so Israel could come into being and if so why them.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 8, 2013, 10:26 am

        ” To confuse a bot ask how the Shoah fits into Zionism and Jewish destiny. Did Gd have to kill all those people so Israel could come into being and if so why them.”

        Yes, jerks do ask questions like these. I’m not a theologian, but I think the question is better put toward the Christians throughout Europe and the Soviet Union who were responsible for murdering the Jews.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        November 8, 2013, 3:50 pm

        I think that the word ‘Holocaust’ does carry certain terrifying theological implications. As I’ve said before I’d challenge anyone to read Leviticus 1, which concerns the holocaust = burned offering, recall the events to which that word is now applied (blasphemously, to my mind), and not shudder.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 5:09 pm

        Turning Nazi.industrialised murder into part of God’s plan for the Jewish people always struck me as desperate. It may meet theological requirements but it is dreadful.

      • piotr
        piotr
        November 9, 2013, 6:50 am

        One can ask many questions. Mind you, the time of mass murder was quite a while ago, so you pose the question to descendant. Was my “half” who spent WWII in German labor camp responsible for murdering the other “half” who joined the army allied with Stalin? Were my non-German 3/4 raping and expelling the German 1/4 from Lower Silesia (grandma)? At least all are complicit in the “holocaust of assimilation and intermarriage”.

        In the meantime, are you part of “secular leftist monsters”, hophmi? I have seen you posting against settlements, which may qualify you into the ranks of “golum and kapos”. Is anti-Semitism the problem of ideologies of hatred going in all directions, and quite well represented among Jews too, both in Israel and Diaspora?

        About a week ago a mosque was attacked in Gdansk, in apparent retribution for ritual slaughter related to Ramadan is a Muslim community in a totally different place in Poland. Animal rights people, or punks or some strange xenophobic intersection.

        We cannot eliminate hatred from societies, but we can strive to make societies healthier, with anti-hatred immune systems. What is better: recrimination, retribution, reconciliation, conflict resolution, universal rights, restriction of rights to “nice and correct people”?

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      November 8, 2013, 6:38 am

      “Hadith says to kill Jewish and Christians and non Muslims” so inform Gelller, ,Bridget,Spencer,Horowitz ,Florida Pastor, and various placeholders from the Congress and senate who have learnt how and when to join Islam and Fascism together to describe the resistance to the Zionist ‘s activities and to the exclusive ethnic- religious political entity which also teaches how to term the resistance and discontent to any of it’s activities as an attempt by resurrected B’ nei Easu to kill B nei Yakov.
      We should not forget that they always remind the world how the Geller gangs and Congressman are trying to build a peaceful,and secular world among those Hadith believers .

  13. hophmi
    hophmi
    November 8, 2013, 7:30 am

    Meanwhile, antisemitism in Europe reaches new heights. Mondoweiss is silent.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/jews-in-europe-report-a-surge-in-anti-semitism.html?_r=0

    • Shmuel
      Shmuel
      November 8, 2013, 8:48 am

      Meanwhile, antisemitism in Europe reaches new heights

      The survey did not actually measure levels of anti-Semitism, but Jewish perceptions of anti-Semitism. The fact that “One-third of respondents said they considered statements critical of Israel as anti-Semitic” and “The data was collected online by self-selecting respondents” made me wonder about the survey’s relevance, but I followed the link to have a closer look at the specific questions. The first question I came across was:

      In your opinion, would you consider a non-Jewish person to be antisemitic if he or she supports boycotts of Israeli goods/products?

      The results clearly demonstrate that the respondents’ perceptions have very little to do with actual racism against Jews in Europe today. With the exception of Sweden (where only 53% answered “yes”), the percentage of “yes” answers ranged from 65% (UK) to 85% (France), with an overall average (including Sweden) of 72%.

      I saw no reason to read any further.

      If European societies really want to address the problem of racism against Jews, they would do well to listen to people like Brian Klug, who know the difference between criticism of Israel and racism against Jews, and refuse to justify one form of racism in the name of combating another.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 9:02 am

        Zionism is simply an insane ideology

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/08/israel-john-kerry-iranian-nuclear-deal

        “In his airport statement, Netanyahu insisted Israel’s security was paramount in the negotiations. “I will never compromise on Israel’s security and our vital interests, not in the face of any international pressure. I think the pressure has to be put where it belongs, that is on the Palestinians who refuse to budge. But I think in any case, no amount of pressure will make me or the government of Israel compromise on the basic security and national interests of the state of Israel. The people of Israel know this and they support it, as they should,” he said”

        Israel’s “security” has destroyed Jewish morality, international human rights law and the laws of war.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 12:21 pm

        The incessant recalling of Israel’s endangered security is nauseating. Have to admit though, that it works wonders on America’s fundies that spook easy at the prospect of Jews not being be around to make the second coming happen, which would blow it for humanity.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 3:22 pm

        They don’t deserve security. None of the neighbours were ever spared Zionism’s wars.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 4:12 pm

        “They don’t deserve security.”

        seafoid, do you think that Zionists have told this lie about security so many times that they now actually beleive it, or are they just putting on a show?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 4:38 pm

        Walid

        They have exclusive licencing rights over the term “Jew” , similar to the way in which like Ecclestone controls Formula 1. “Killing Jews” is far more serious than murdering Palestinians. For the same reason, Jews deserve security . Lebanese, Syrians, Gazans etc can go take a hike.
        It is part of the chosenness of Israeli Jews.

        They could operate death camps but they would still be special. The paradox of Holocaust guilt. I think they think it will be like this forever.

        This was one of the best things I read about Israel this year :

        http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636

        “But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream.”

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        November 8, 2013, 9:04 am

        I was listening to a report on this survey on the news. They were taking it ‘seriously’, while explaining how it measured “latent anti-semitism” in Germany and a couple of other countries. I had me a few WTF moments.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 8, 2013, 10:18 am

        So, Shmuel, I gather that you tell Muslims that if they really want to address the problem of Islamophobia, they have to listen to people like Ayaan Hirst Ali.

        You don’t, and that’s why it’s a double standard. There is no excuse for antisemitism, or for the euphemistic version, where Israel is made to stand in for world Jewry.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 8, 2013, 1:37 pm

        @hophead

        “The data was collected online by self-selecting respondents.”

        In other words, your self-worship fails.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 8, 2013, 1:57 pm

        There is no excuse for antisemitism, or for the euphemistic version, where Israel is made to stand in for world Jewry.

        I agree that there is no excuse for anti-Semitism or any other form of racism. The problem lies with the interpretation that “Israel is made to stand in for world Jewry”. What is it based on? Is it always or even mostly correct? Does the fact that some Jews feel that way make it true?

        You made a statement regarding “antisemitism in Europe” that was actually about certain perceptions of anti-Semitism. Judging by the article you cited and cursory look at the survey itself, these perceptions would appear to be deeply flawed, based on assumptions that are rather problematic, to say the least. A large percentage of the self-selecting participants don’t seem to know the difference between racism and political opinion. How could their perceptions of racism possibly count for anything, when they don’t even know what it is?

        Those who are equally confused, or base their evaluations of current anti-Semitism on such surveys and the screaming headlines they produce, fail to adequately address real anti-Semitism. Maybe they find it convenient to only pretend to address anti-Semitism, or maybe they would really like to do something about anti-Semitism but feel it’s not worth a fight with the Simon Wiesenthal Center or other Jewish organisations. Klug will not let them off that easily.

      • American
        American
        November 8, 2013, 2:09 pm

        ‘ where Israel is made to stand in for world Jewry.”…..hoppie

        oh that is such bs…..it’s the exact opposite——you moronic zio cultist made Jews stand in for Israel.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 8, 2013, 6:01 pm

        “Israel is made to stand in for world Jewry”
        Top Israeli minister urges Hungary to combat anti-Semitism.
        http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/131002-lapid-anti-semitism-on-the-rise-in-hungary
        Ten working groups will attempt to “develop a work plan to combat anti-Semitism, including anti-Semitism on the Internet and in social media; in the Muslim and Arab world, and on university campuses,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
        http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/news/article/netanyahu-calls-for-truth-to-combat-anti-semitism/

        Shmuel who is going to stand in for world Jewry if not Israel.
        Your Country, or the US as in WWII ?
        What alternative do you have.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 3:02 am

        Yrn,

        You misunderstand the phrase “stand in for world Jewry” (used by hophmi). He meant that Israel is a proxy for Jews – the old “when they say Israel they mean Jews” argument.

        As for standing up for Jews, Israel has its own interests (silencing its critics, encouraging Jewish immigration, etc.) that are in fact at odds with the interests of Jews around the world. By insisting that Israel is “the state of the Jewish people”, that it acts on behalf of all Jews, treating Jewish communities and religious institutions as if they were “embassies” of Israel, and promoting the ridiculous and dangerous theory of “the new anti-Semitism”, the State of Israel actually increases hostility toward Jews and prevents societies from appropriately and effectively addressing real anti-Semitism in their midst. Thanks but no thanks.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 4:59 am

        Shmuel
        “and promoting the ridiculous and dangerous theory of “the new anti-Semitism”

        You are Pathetic, non of the information regarding the theory of “the new anti-Semitism comes from Israel, It’s all European press and as Usual you don’t see that you contradict yourself even inside one comment.
        Would you say that the the new anti-Semitism in Hungary, Greece, France, Sweden, Belgium is a ridiculous and dangerous theory.
        You just mentioned in your following Comment
        “Have I ever said that, anywhere, in any of my comments at MW? There most certainly is anti-Semitism in Europe – the situation in Hungary, for example, is particularly worrying. ”
        So is it a “ridiculous and dangerous theory” or “particularly worrying”
        Make up your mind.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 5:17 am

        Would you say that the the new anti-Semitism in Hungary, Greece, France, Sweden, Belgium is a ridiculous and dangerous theory.

        “The new anti-Semitism” (as promoted e.g. by Anita Shapira) tries to flog criticism of Israel as hatred of Jews (thereby both distorting the reality of anti-Semitism and giving Israel a get-out-of-jail-free card). That is ridiculous and dangerous – whether in Hungary, Sweden or the U.S.

        Real anti-Semitism, that is racism against Jews as Jews, is a very serious matter, and it has certainly reared its ugly head in Hungary (for example) in recent years.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 5:35 am

        Shmuel
        See how distorted your mind is.
        When Antisemitism is connected to let Israel get away with it, it’s not real Anti-semitism,
        The Hate of Jews in Hungary is Anti-semitism ? and if they also hate Israel because Jews live in Israel, it’s not Jewish hate ?
        so they found some reason to hate the Jews is it not real Anti-semitism,

        If someone will hate you as a Jew, will it make you feel better that it comes out because he Hates Israel ?.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 5:36 am

        “Real anti-Semitism, that is racism against Jews as Jews,”
        Wow that’s new
        How come you don’t jump in and say Jews are not A Race.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 5:44 am

        “is a very serious matter, and it has certainly reared its ugly head in Hungary (for example) in recent years.”

        Israeli Finance Minister Yair Lapid spoke up in the Hungary Parliament -“Anti Semitism reared its ugly head in Hungary again, and we know today that we cannot disregard racism, we cannot let it grow,” Israeli Finance Minister Yair Lapid told the Hungarian Parliament ”

        One of your Country ministers even bothers regarding this issue, did your country say anything to the Hungary Parliament regarding this issue ?

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 5:46 am

        How come you don’t jump in and say Jews are not A Race.

        Because it is not relevant to the concept of racism. See e.g. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 9, 2013, 5:57 am

        Shmuel- Was the murder of four Jews in Tolouse, not real antisemitism, because it stemmed from hatred of Israel? Was the murder of Ilan Halimi (also in France), not real antisemitism, because it was carried out by Arab youths and not by white antisemites?

        Yes, there is a difference between antiZionism and antiSemitism, but sometimes they overlap. Blurring the difference between the two is false and ignoring the overlap between the two is also false.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 6:04 am

        When Antisemitism is connected to let Israel get away with it, it’s not real Anti-semitism

        It’s not nice to put words into people’s mouths. Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism whether it involves criticism of Israel or not. The distortion lies in considering any (or virtually any or most) criticism of Israel anti-Semitic.

        The Hate of Jews in Hungary is Anti-semitism ? and if they also hate Israel because Jews live in Israel, it’s not Jewish hate ?

        It’s very basic logic. The fact that some anti-Semites also criticise Israel in no way implies that critics of Israel are anti-Semites.

        If someone will hate you as a Jew, will it make you feel better that it comes out because he Hates Israel ?

        Once again, if someone hates me as a Jew, they hate me as a Jew. They may also hate Israel, but that is neither here nor there. What you seem to have trouble wrapping your head around is the possibility that someone may criticise Israel – even harshly and even supporting BDS – without hating Jews. As a matter of fact, most of the people I know who support Palestinian rights are strong opponents of all forms of racism – including racism against Jews.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 6:16 am

        Was the murder of four Jews in Tolouse, not real antisemitism, because it stemmed from hatred of Israel? Was the murder of Ilan Halimi (also in France), not real antisemitism, because it was carried out by Arab youths and not by white antisemites?

        Yonah,

        I was talking about criticism of Israel. How did you get to Toulouse and Ilan Halimi? Both of those cases were hate crimes (specifically anti-Semitic), because they targeted Jews as Jews. Anti-Semitism always has some motivation (whether true or false), but it turns into racism when it generalises and extends to other members of the group, without distinction. Those murders were not criticism of Israel or BDS. They were simply hate crimes. They were not “new anti-Semitism”, but anti-Semitism tout court.

        Yes, there is a difference between antiZionism and antiSemitism, but sometimes they overlap. Blurring the difference between the two is false and ignoring the overlap between the two is also false.

        I have neither blurred nor ignored. Of course there are anti-Zionists who are also anti-Semites (and some anti-Semites who are extremely pro-Israel), but that is not the same as asserting that anyone who supports BDS is an anti-Semite – something you have not done, but 85% of French respondents to the survey did.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 7:09 am

        yrn,

        Racism is not divisible, nor is the fight against racism. In Hungary, the problem goes well beyond Jews. Will Minister Lapid be happy if anti-Semitism is combated in Hungary, but discrimination against the Roma continues?

        Anti-Semitism is part of a wider problem that needs to be addressed by governments and civil society in Europe. Some work has been done, but not nearly enough. It is pointless to fight against one kind of racism while condoning others. It is even worse when the fight against one kind of racism is actually used to justify and promote (or ignore) others.

        As piotr said elsewhere on this thread:

        We cannot eliminate hatred from societies, but we can strive to make societies healthier, with anti-hatred immune systems. What is better: recrimination, retribution, reconciliation, conflict resolution, universal rights, restriction of rights to “nice and correct people”?

      • EUR1069
        EUR1069
        November 9, 2013, 10:27 am

        Q: “Will Minister Lapid be happy if anti-Semitism is combated in Hungary, but discrimination against the Roma continues?”

        A: YES. “A selfish bunch.” President Harry Truman, 1948

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 12:34 pm

        “What you seem to have trouble wrapping your head around is the possibility that someone may criticise Israel”
        What nonsense, where did I ever say that for me Criticizing Israel is Antisemitism, it’s not.
        What you can’t get is that for you the new antisemitism, has to have a connection with Israel hate, which is completely not the case, but for you it breaks all your Anti Zionist Agenda, that’s why you always look for the link of the hate to Israel, but its not, that’s why you can’t accept pure Antisemitism.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 9, 2013, 2:53 pm

        What nonsense, where did I ever say that for me Criticizing Israel is Antisemitism, it’s not.

        That was the subject of the discussion – responses to the survey hophmi cited, and his assertion regarding “Israel standing in for Jews”.

        What you can’t get is that for you the new antisemitism, has to have a connection with Israel hate

        That is what the concept of “the new anti-Semitism” is all about. It’s not just anti-Semitism that happens to be relatively recent, but supposedly a new kind of anti-Semitism that “[tends] to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel” (from Wiki).

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 10, 2013, 5:08 am

        Shmuel,
        You’re saying that an event such as the Toulouse attack is” simply an (Anti-semitic) hate crime” .Unfortunately, it’s not that simple, because the Toulouse attack is an example of the convergence of Anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel. According to all the reports, the perpetrator, Mohammed Merah , was motivated by his hatred of Israel. So he’s an Anti-Zionist in motivation, but the motivation leads him to murder a rabbi and three small Jewish children, an Anti-Semitic act. (Recalls the attack on the Rome synagogue in 1982, in which a two year old child was murdered.) And there have been numerous such incidents over the years.
        Of course I’m not saying that Anti-Zionism is synonymous with Anti-Semitism, but in all too many places and occasions, they have converged.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 10, 2013, 5:18 am

        jon,

        How does that differ from the convergence of an economic crisis and anti-Semitism, or the convergence of religious teachings and anti-Semitism? The concept of “new anti-Semitism” is not necessary to explain Israel-related anti-Semitism, but it is necessary to recast opposition to Zionism and/or Israeli actions as anti-Jewish racial hatred – even in the absence of indiscriminate generalisation that is the hallmark of racism. The theory of “new anti-Semitism” in fact seeks to explain “hatred” of Israel, not hatred of Jews.

      • annie
        annie
        November 10, 2013, 8:43 am

        You are Pathetic, non of the information regarding the theory of “the new anti-Semitism comes from Israel, It’s all European press

        i’m sure israel and israel’s think-tankers have as much influence framing the european press as they do the american press. but where on earth did you get the impression none of the information regarding the theory of “the new anti-Semitism comes from Israel? that’s ridiculous:

        The trajectory of a long-running campaign that gave birth this month to the preposterous all-party British parliamentary report into anti-Semitism in the UK can be traced back to intensive lobbying by the Israeli government that began more than four years ago, in early 2002.

        ………The fresh claims about a new anti-Semitism began life in the spring of 2002, with the English-language website of Israel’s respected liberal daily newspaper, Haaretz, flagging for many months a special online supplement of articles on the “New anti-Semitism”, warning that the “age-old hatred” was being revived in Europe and America. The refrain was soon taken up the Jerusalem Post, a rightwing English-language newspaper regularly used by the Israeli establishment to shore up support for its policies among Diaspora Jews.

        Like its precursors, argued Israel’s apologists, the latest wave of anti-Semitism was the responsibility of Western progressive movements — though with a fresh twist. An ever-present but largely latent Western anti-Semitism was being stoked into frenzy by the growing political and intellectual influence of extremist Muslim immigrants. The implication was that an unholy alliance had been spawned between the left and militant Islam.

        Such views were first aired by senior members of Sharon’s cabinet. In an interview in the Jerusalem Post in November 2002, for example, Binyamin Netanyahu warned that latent anti-Semitism was again becoming active:

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 10, 2013, 9:29 am

        Shmuel, Sure , such convergences can occur , and do occur. As does the Anti-Zionist and Anti-Semitic convergence, which was the topic of my post. I didn’t use the term “new Anti-Semitism ” in reference to Israel-related Jew-hatred, because it’s not that new, could be traced at least back to the Mufti.

        “The theory of “new anti-Semitism” in fact seeks to explain “hatred” of Israel, not hatred of Jews” – again, you’re saying that the two hatreds are distinct, I’m pointing out that on many occasions they converge, bloodily.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 10, 2013, 10:09 am

        jon,

        I think you are confusing matters unnecessarily. There is anti-Zionism that fits into a general anti-Semitic worldview, just as are anti-capitalism, anti-communism and any number of other “antis” (as well as a few “pros”) that fit into a general anti-Semitic worldview (or vice versa – I don’t think it really matters which fits into which). There are however, clear boundaries between those political/economic/social positions and racism against Jews or any other group. The same holds true for anti-Zionism (or criticism of Israel that falls short of anti-Zionism).

        I use the term “new anti-Semitism” in a very specific sense – the sense in which it has been used (although mostly abused) by its proponents in recent years. It seeks to explain opposition to Zionist ideology or Israeli policies/actions as a kind of “socially-acceptable” sublimation of anti-Semitism. Obviously, the theory (which is new) refers to a period that can go back as far as the very beginnings of Zionism, but its observations (at least where the left and the west are concerned) pertain mostly to the post-war period, in which “classical” anti-Semitism has become socially unacceptable in most western societies.

        When I stated that “The theory of ‘new anti-Semitism’ … seeks to explain ‘hatred’ of Israel, not hatred of Jews”, I placed the first “hatred” in quotation marks, because I do not accept such a blanket designation of criticism (even harsh criticism) of Israel. I thus do not relate to the two as distinct “hatreds”, although they are distinct phenomenon that may or may not converge (just as anti-capitalism and anti-Semitism may or may not converge). The problem with “the new anti-Semitism” lies not in its recognition of the possibility of convergence (nothing “new” about that), but in its presumption of convergence, or rather the practical inexistence of “hatred” of Israel as a distinct phenomenon. Although they might not use the term “new anti-Semitism”, this would appear to be the view of most of the respondents to the survey cited by hophmi.

      • American
        American
        November 10, 2013, 10:55 am

        jon

        There is no ‘new’ Anti Semitism.
        What there is is a world wide disgust with Israel.
        It is billed as the “Jewish State” and shoves the Jewish State identity down everyone’s throat 24/7 and broadcast that what Israel is and does represents the wishes of all Jews and that is why there is a increasing dislike/spillover on Jews.
        Since the people incensed by Israel and the zionist cant get hold of them or an Israeli to take their anger out on some will take it out on whatever Jew outside of Israel they run into.
        The same kind of thing as occured in the US when after 911 there were isolated attacks on Muslims and people mistaken for Muslims or Arabs.
        Jews are symbols of Israel, Muslims were symbols for 911 and some people take their hate of Israel out on Jews or of 911 out on Arabs or Muslims.
        This is no great resurgence of “Jew hatred’ or tripling of Neo Nazis around the world.
        Most of what you portray as examples of some new outbreak of age old anti semitism can be traced directly to the timing of Israeli and Zionist activities and events in I/P.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 10, 2013, 11:41 am

        @jon s

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/palestinian-activists-incitement.html

        25 Palestinian activists detained for INCITEMENT.

        Gona chime in or continue harping about new antisemitism?

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 8, 2013, 12:24 pm

        Anti-Semitism ‘on the rise’ across Europe
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/10039580/Anti-Semitism-on-the-rise-across-Europe.html

        Everyday there is new information regarding the rise of Antisemitism in Europe, but, for Shmuel &Co. it’s propaganda, as it dose not fit his Anti Zionist Agenda.
        For Shmuel & Co, the rise of Antisemitism especaily in Europe (it’s not in my US yard so who cares), destroys his basic’s argument of been an AntiZionist, as for Shmuel &Co. the Jews are happy free and safe everywhere in the world accept of Israel.

        So rest in peace Shmuel &Co. there is no Antisemitism in Europe, not in Hungary, not in Greece and especially not in Sweden and France if it makes you feel good and keep on with your routine.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 8, 2013, 2:11 pm

        Everyday there is new information regarding the rise of Antisemitism in Europe

        Some of it is relevant and some is not. This survey is not.

        the rise of Antisemitism especaily in Europe (it’s not in my US yard so who cares), destroys his basic’s argument of been an AntiZionist

        No it doesn’t. My basic argument against Zionism is entirely consistent with my basic argument against anti-Semitism. (BTW, I live in Europe, not the US.)

        there is no Antisemitism in Europe, not in Hungary, not in Greece and especially not in Sweden and France

        Have I ever said that, anywhere, in any of my comments at MW? There most certainly is anti-Semitism in Europe – the situation in Hungary, for example, is particularly worrying. Some European anti-Semites are anti-Israel, and some are extremely pro-Israel. Please stop trivialising anti-Semitism in order to defend the indefensible.

      • American
        American
        November 8, 2013, 2:38 pm

        yrn says:
        November 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm

        Anti-Semitism ‘on the rise’ across Europe””…….

        O.K….lets say for the sake of argument it is on the rise—-to what do you attribute this resurgence of anti Semitism?

        1. Is it the gentile ‘disease’ some Jews claim that reappears from time to time like a rash in non Jews?
        2. Is it something the Jewish State is doing, has done, that people are taking out on Jews?
        3. Is it something Jews are doing?

        What would be your explanation for why anti-Semitism is making a comeback?
        And what exactly do you think can be done about it?

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 8, 2013, 2:45 pm

        Hophmi has said that Palestinians = Nazis (vis a vis the Mufti).

        I’m not bigoted toward Arabs, but yes, to save Cliff the time and trouble, I did once say that the Palestinians supported Hitler during a conversation about how the Palestinians were perceived by the elites at the UN responsible for partition.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/experts-weigh-in-what-dennis-rosss-departure-means-for-iran-and-the-peace-process.html#comment-390244

        Why shouldn’t I say Arabs in general? They have united in their hatred of Israel, and the Palestinian movement is an outgrowth of a greater Arab movement, a movement that has time and again tried to commit genocide against the Jews. In 1944, the Mufti organized an unsuccessful chemical attack that would have killed tens of thousands had it been successful. link to wymaninstitute.org

        http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/sullivan-asks-how-to-redeem-the-jewish-state.html#comment-202274

        He has said that Arabs are genocidal and Palestinians as well, by relation and by (once again) the Mufti.

        He has said that the Nakba is academic; Palestinian suffering is academic.

        He has said that Jewish terrorism was anti-imperialist primarily and thus, criticizing Jewish terrorism is supporting British imperialism.

        He believes hypothetical Palestinian violence is worse than actual Israeli violence.

        Recall the troll often brings up suicide bombing as if it’s still going on.

        Israel killed more people in 2.5 weeks than ALL SUICIDE ATTACKS in 30 years in the conflict (even less suicide bombings).

        Suicide attacks have killed 800ish people. Israel butcher 1400ish Palestinians in 2.5 weeks.

        This is who you are posing the question – ‘Please stop trivializing [antisemitism]’ – to.

        Supporters of Jewish terrorism and colonialism.

        Dialogue with these people is pointless. They deserved only to be shunned, mocked, insulted and called out for being the fascist liars that they are.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 8, 2013, 9:19 pm

        >> For Shmuel & Co, the rise of Antisemitism especaily in Europe … destroys his basic’s argument of been an AntiZionist, as for Shmuel &Co. the Jews are happy free and safe everywhere in the world accept of Israel.

        As with any other injustice, the answer to the injustice of anti-Semitism was and is justice. It was not and is not:
        – Jewish terrorism;
        – the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
        – the establishment of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine; and
        – a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 9, 2013, 5:28 am

        “Everyday there is new information regarding the rise of Antisemitism in Europe, but, for Shmuel &Co. it’s propaganda, as it dose not fit his Anti Zionist Agenda.”(yrn)

        yrn, you’re not seeing it clearly as Shmuel is describing it because you are equating being anti-Israel with being antisemite, which is wrong equating by the Zionist narrative being peddled. Jews appear to be happy and safe wherever they are, except of course, whenever they are taking up Israel’s defense of its abnormal behaviour.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 9, 2013, 12:38 pm

        Walid

        Where did I ever equated being anti-Israel with being antisemite, that’s your most stupid quote and your wishful thinking to hide Antisemitism.

        “Jews appear to be happy and safe wherever they are”
        Don’t be the local Ignorant and read some information regarding the Jews in Hungary, Sweden and France today and then tell me how happy they are.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 10, 2013, 10:34 am

        Having already had his false comments censored for libel at Corey Robin’s site, he continues them here, where slander doesn’t matter to Mondoweiss moderators (like the commenting rules).

        Oh well. One day, cliff will be able to look back on a life of blog comments and zero impact on the lives of Palestinians.

    • EUR1069
      EUR1069
      November 8, 2013, 9:21 am

      “Meanwhile, antisemitism in Europe reaches new heights.”

      Yeah right. That’s why Israelis choose to move to Berlin [of all places] by the thousands.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 8, 2013, 10:13 am

        “Yeah right. That’s why Israelis choose to move to Berlin [of all places] by the thousands.”

        In other news Germany is not just the city of Berlin.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 8, 2013, 11:56 am

        Home demolitions in Duisburg
        Torture in Aachen
        Access refused to Munich
        Imprisonment without trial in Bremen

        I’m just trying to imagine Zionism in Germany

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 8, 2013, 12:06 pm

        “In other news Germany is not just the city of Berlin.”

        In response to EUR1069, hophmi is arguing that it’s not spit but rain.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 8, 2013, 1:05 pm

        “In response to EUR1069, hophmi is arguing that it’s not spit but rain.”

        No, I’m arguing that most of the antisemitism in Germany occurs outside of Berlin, although one of the more violent incidents, the stabbing of a rabbi in by Arab youths, took place there.

        http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/xenophobia-still-prevalent-in-germany-20-years-after-neo-nazi-attacks-a-851972.html

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        November 9, 2013, 7:50 am

        @ Hophmi

        1) The (seriously flawed) survey you link to talks of perceptions, you are dishonestly presenting it otherwise to further your own position. And it’s not a surprising survey either, given the amount of effort Zionist dominated Jewish groups have gone to to both demonize Europeans (deligitimise perhaps?) and plant the idea amongst Jews that anti-semitism is almost genetically encoded in the non-Jewish European individual. Given all that, such a perception is hardly surprising. But a perception doesn’t make it a fact.

        Or are you going to argue that all those people who perceive Jewish domination of the media, and that because of this the MSM is primarily promoting Jewish interests are seeing things clearly? Didn’t think so.

        2) In the Spiegel article, LOVE the fact that you gloss over the Turkish restaurant being attacked, the Indians being chased by a mob and the immigrants being attacked all in favour of ONE Jew being stabbed (that doesn’t even seem to be mentioned). You even gloss over the headline – “XENOPHOBIA Still Prevalent” – in other words ALL bigotry is a problem not just that directed at Jews. Although to be fair I understand that for you, a Zionist, the idea that people could care about what happens to non-Jews is an alien concept. What? Care about non-Jews too? How absurd. You have yet again Hophmi by ignoring the other things mentioned in the article demonstrated that for you non-Jews are simply less important (if they have any import at all) than Jews, that crimes against them don’t really matter, only those against Jews.

        Talk about xenophobia.

      • American
        American
        November 9, 2013, 11:55 am

        @ hoppie

        For every one Jew attacked somewhere in the world today there’s probably a 1000 , even more than a 1000 Palestines Israel has attacked in Palestine.
        You are persecuting million of Palestines–no one is persecuting millions of Jews.
        Get some perspective.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      November 8, 2013, 2:30 pm

      Trolls like hoppy and the settler, yrn, are representative of the Zionist Jewish community.

      Here’s more proof this NYT promoted survey is BS:

      One-third of respondents said they considered statements critical of Israel as anti-Semitic.

      according to a detailed survey of Jewish perceptions

      The Vienna-based agency, in a lengthy report on its findings, did not reach any conclusions about the cause of a perception among European Jews of rising bias.

      The survey gathered information from nearly 6,000 Jews living in Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia and Sweden.

      Here’s the hilarious part – on ACTUAL physical violence experienced:

      Physical violence, however, is comparatively rare, with 4 percent responding that they had experienced violence or threats of violence because they were Jewish in the year before the survey.

      That’s 4 percent of 6,000 Jews. LOL

      Oh but apparently collecting ACTUAL DATA and not paranoia polls is not in fashion:

      Most previous efforts to assess the level of anti-Semitism have relied on the number of officially reported incidents of harassment or physical violence in individual countries. Such figures, however, appear to understate the extent of the problem, as most incidents are not reported and only 13 of the 28 countries in the European Union collect data on anti-Semitic incidents.

      13 out of 28 – but earlier the paranoia poll said that:

      The survey, by the bloc’s Fundamental Rights Agency, focused on eight countries that account for more than 90 percent of Europe’s Jewish population[…]

      In other words, this survey is worthless.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        November 8, 2013, 4:06 pm

        If negative views of Israel increase and meet in the same time and place with increasingly positive views of Israel and identification with Israel among Jewish people then Jewish and non-Jewish people will have a point increasingly at issue between them. This will be certainly perceived on one side as sheer prejudice against Jews, though objectively that may not be what it is.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      November 8, 2013, 8:59 pm

      Sikhs die in droves and they die in the temples in US but the money from the Homeland Security goes to Jewish centers .
      May be Homeland should add some more to budget to fight the antisemitism in Europe.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      November 9, 2013, 11:19 am

      The phenomena of Anti Judaism, or Judeo phobia (also referred to with the misnomer of Antisemitism) is critical for the ongoing Zionist project/theology.

      We must have it. It is critical to keep on finding it. (That is why we have an industry around “Antisemitism.” Loss of real or perceived Anti Judaism could destroy Zionism.

    • Theo
      Theo
      November 9, 2013, 12:31 pm

      If one considers a critic on Israel als anti-semitism, then MW must be an anti-semitic blog, what is far from the truth.
      The internet is full of blogs, from the very left to the very right, many of them are written by totally crazy individuals. As my comments represents only my own opinions, one should not judge it as the new trend of politics in Europe.
      If one wants to feel hated, there are blogs for every kind of hate to reassure your fear, as the Bible says “those who seek will find”.

      As long as human beings live on this globe we will have dislikes or even hate, it is part of our lives. We must make sure that such feelings do not turn into aggressions and criminal acts, I personally am disgusted with obese people, yet I would never consider doing anything harmful to them.

      In my opinion all this new outcry about anti-semitism in Europe is just another zio propaganda.

  14. Stephen Shenfield
    Stephen Shenfield
    November 8, 2013, 2:20 pm

    Regarding Kristallnacht, Israel has also had its “night of broken glass” — May 23, 2012, when rioters smashed up the area of South Tel Aviv where the African refugees live (see Goliath, Chapter 63).

  15. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    November 8, 2013, 4:41 pm

    Here’s a new Spiegel article:
    EU Study: Jews in Germany Fear Rising Anti-Semitism
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-study-fear-of-anti-semitism-rising-in-seven-european-countries-a-932597.html
    Note that the study doesn’t say that anti-Semitism is actually rising but merely that the fear of anti-Semitism is rising among Jews. I assume that’s because these Jews are Zionists and misinterpret German anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism.
    From the article:

    For the poll published Friday, 49 percent of respondents in Germany claimed to have heard or seen non-Jewish people suggest that Israelis behave “like Nazis” toward the Palestinians. The study’s results seem to suggest that German Jews are viewed as proxies of the state of Israel and its policies. Indeed, it found that 81 percent of them have felt accused of or blamed for something the Israeli government had done. Moreover, it noted a close coincidence between when trouble flares up in the Middle East and when Jews in Germany perceive rising hostility.

    And WHY are German Jews viewed by some as proxies of the state of Israel and its policies? Of course, the author of the article doesn’t dare to give the reason. The reason is that the Central Council of Jews in Germany is extremely Zionist and constantly defends Israel’s crimes. Evelyn Hecht-Galinski, an anti-Zionist German Jew, stated in a 2006 radio interview that the Central Council of Jews in Germany is the “mouthpiece of the Israeli government in Germany”. As the Central Council represents the Jews in Germany, its support for Israel’s crimes gives all Jews in Germany a bad reputation. A further problem is that the German MSM accept the Central Council’s opinion as THE Jewish opinion. Whenever a Jewish opinion is needed, a representative of the Central Council is asked for comments. The existence of less Zionist or anti-Zionist German Jews is almost completely ignored by the German MSM. To non-Jewish Germans, this conveys the (false) impression that all German Jews are extremely Zionist and want to see the Palestinians rotting in ghettos.
    Imagine the Central Council of Muslims in Germany had defended the September 11 attacks and supported Al-Qaeda. Then German Muslims would either be condemned as terrorists right away or be constantly asked by some non-Muslim German whether they approve of Al-Qaeda or not.

    • Bandolero
      Bandolero
      November 8, 2013, 11:18 pm

      I think it would be fine if the EU report which is the basis for that Spiegel article would be discussed in length at Mondo Weiss:

      http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2013-discrimination-hate-crime-against-jews-eu-member-states_en.pdf

      For an official EU report, I find your quote a very interesting conclusion. I doubt any official report in the US would dare to say such things – just switch the word “German” against “US” in the quote above to understand that stark official EU finding:

      The study’s results seem to suggest that US Jews are viewed as proxies of the state of Israel and its policies. Indeed, it found that 81 percent of them have felt accused of or blamed for something the Israeli government had done. Moreover, it noted a close coincidence between when trouble flares up in the Middle East and when Jews in the US perceive rising hostility.

      In other words: Israels policies are a major reason for rising hatred against jews in the western world who are widely seen as Israeli proxies.

      Would any US official report dare to say this, even if it was true?

    • Theo
      Theo
      November 9, 2013, 12:40 pm

      GL

      I visit the local jewish center regularly and personally did not notice any fear of anti-semitism there. On the other hand I second your opinion of the Central Commity, they do not represent the local jews, but the interests of the State of Israel. It is time that new, more liberal, commity members are elected, as their support of zionism will not lead to better relations in this country, but will encourage what they fear the most, new anti-semitism.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        November 9, 2013, 6:02 pm

        @ Theo
        I visit the local jewish center regularly and personally did not notice any fear of anti-semitism there.
        Some questions: What do people do at a Jewish center? If the people there don’t fear anti-Semitism, then I assume that they don’t have a security camera at the center? What do other people at the center think about Israel and its policies? So far, in every documentary about Jews in Germany that I have watched, the interviewed Jews loved Israel and cherished it as their refuge. Therefore, it looks like the problem isn’t just the Central Council. Most Jews in Germany are actually Zionists. Has an anti-Zionist Jew ever been attacked in Germany? I think that all attacked Jews were Zionists.

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 10, 2013, 4:53 pm

        “I think that all attacked Jews were Zionists”.
        Right.The victims of the Toulouse attack were 8-year old Miriam Monsonego, 6-year old Aryeh Sandler , 3-year old Gabriel Sandler, (all certified child-Zionists,) and their father, Rabbi Jonathan Sandler.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        November 10, 2013, 5:01 pm

        @ Jon: Of course, I was talking about Germany.

  16. hophmi
    hophmi
    November 10, 2013, 4:16 pm

    “I think that all attacked Jews were Zionists.”

    You think? Did you ask them? Do you any proof for these utterly stupid things that you say?

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      November 10, 2013, 5:05 pm

      You think? Did you ask them?
      The incidents were reported in the media. I looked a few of the victims up online and learnt that they were Zionists. If an outspoken anti-Zionist had been among the victims, I would probably have heard of it.

  17. seafoid
    seafoid
    November 11, 2013, 9:42 am

    Did Brian Klug deliver the address?

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