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Kerry and Abbas, in Ramallah Dec. 12, photo by State Department

Kerry and Abbas, in Ramallah Dec. 12, photo by State Department

The European Union has been rattling Israel with threats against the occupation for months. Now it is going even further, with an unnamed official threatening to cut off funds to the Palestinian Authority in comments to the Associated Press:

“the EU cannot fund the Israeli occupation anymore. Israel needs to be responsible for its occupation. This means no more EU money to the PA.”

It is common on the left to hear the PA described as stooges for the occupation. Now the EU is evidently beginning to reflect this analysis. This is a significant development.

From the Associated Press‘s Tia Goldenberg:

In another threat meant to spur the sides toward a deal, an EU official said Europe would tell the Palestinians on Tuesday it would cut aid off to the Palestinian Authority, which relies on donor funding to function. But such a move would hurt Israel more than the Palestinians, since it would leave Israel responsible for the fate of some 2.5 million Palestinians living under military occupation.

“If there is no deal, the EU cannot fund the Israeli occupation anymore. Israel needs to be responsible for its occupation. This means no more EU money to the PA,” said the official, who requested anonymity because he was discussing private diplomatic matters. The official did not say when the funds might be cut off and it was not clear how concrete the threat was.

Europe has become increasingly vocal over the stalemate between Israel and the Palestinians.

Last week, EU auditors recommended that the bloc should stop paying the salaries of Palestinian civil servants in Gaza who haven’t worked since Hamas seized the territory from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2007, leaving him with only the West Bank. Abbas decided at the time to keep paying their salaries, on condition they stay home and not work for the Hamas government. The practice is a key tool for Abbas to maintain political support in Gaza and counter Hamas’ efforts to deepen its control.

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  1. just
    just
    December 18, 2013, 9:58 am

    Then I suggest that the EU fully boycott Israel. (If it’s the Occupation that they can’t abide.) Who is causing the “stalemate” anyway?

    Besides, under international law the OCCUPIER is responsible to and for the protection the Occupied.

    http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm

    But then again, when has Israel ever adhered to any international laws?

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      December 18, 2013, 10:11 am

      just: Agreed, full boycott is obviously the way to go — or at least an OPEN DISCUSSION of such a full boycott as a “main course”. With “appetizers” of actual withdrawal of funds to PA. The “appetizers” to show actual intent to follow through on the “main course”. And “soup” of a refusal to allow imports of things made in WB.

      However, the fate of Gaza is before us: Fate [1]: Israel can still do that to WB. Fate [2]: EU has done nothing to roll-back the closure of Gaza. So things could get a lot worse.

  2. Eva Smagacz
    Eva Smagacz
    December 18, 2013, 10:14 am

    The removal of salaries would shake up West Bank, no question. Would Palestinian Police cooperate with Occupying Forces in keeping the peace? Or would Israel have to, like during Intifadas, call out reserves to keep natives quiet?

    Palestinians in West Bank are not as corralled as Palestinians in Gaza. Keeping them quiet on a diet of 1056 calories and 3 hours of electricity a day may not be so easy. And strives of pro-Palestinian movement mean that any unrest will be difficult to be sold to the world and even USA as terrorism.

    On the other hand, the move can trigger the action of concentrating Palestinians to 2-3 bantustans from currently unmanageable 167.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 18, 2013, 10:57 am

      @Eva —

      Israel has constructed defensive fortifications, Israeli West Bank barrier. Moreover Palestinians aren’t part of the domestic workforce (mostly) at all anymore. It won’t be anything like the Intifada. They don’t have to “keep the peace”.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 18, 2013, 2:27 pm

        “Israel has constructed defensive fortifications, Israeli West Bank barrier.”jb

        Now take it down and build it in Israel.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 18, 2013, 4:34 pm

        Israel has constructed defensive fortifications, Israeli West Bank barrier.

        Which 1500 Palestinians manage to climb over or under every week.

        It won’t be anything like the Intifada. They don’t have to “keep the peace”.

        Yes they do, which is why half of the Palestinian workforce are employed by PA security services for Israel.

      • tree
        tree
        December 18, 2013, 6:44 pm

        Elaborating on Shingo’s and Hostage’s posts:

        One Thousand, Two Hundred And Seventy-Six People Per Week

        ….Today, Israeli politicians tell us that their only purpose in building the Wall is to secure Israel from suicide bombers, and that its proven track record in that regard justifies its continuing construction on Palestinian land: as if we are too stupid to read for ourselves the Israeli security service’s warning that the respite in suicide bombings is due to the truce that Hamas has maintained, and not the Wall, which the militants have already learned to bypass.

        I have written in an earlier post about the fact that although the Wall is capable of inflicting misery on a great many Palestinians, it is difficult to believe that it is capable of keeping suicide bombers out of Israel, seeing as it is already proving incapable of keeping out thousands of Palestinians who circumvent it to avoid being cut off from work or other essential services. At the time, I had to estimate that the number of West Bank Palestinians who were bypassing the Wall to work in Israel was probably in the low tens of thousands, as I didn’t have a reliable number. But now I do.

        The Palestinian independent news agency, Maan News, reported last Sunday on a news item that was broadcast the previous evening on Israel’s Channel Two:

        Last night, Israeli television broadcast a report showing Tel Aviv police hunting Palestinian workers who bypass the Wall to look for work.

        A Channel Two camera crew accompanied Israeli police patrols as they raided construction sites and arrested workers who were sleeping outside or in builders’ workshops…

        The report revealed that Israeli police said they arrested 17,620 Palestinian workers inside the Green Line during the last two months. It also reported that 2,552 were arrested in the past two weeks…

        The report said in conclusion: “The wall, siege, security cordon, police patrols and border guards have not prevented tens of thousands of workers from reaching Tel Aviv every month”.

        (translation mine)

        Two thousand, five hundred and fifty-two arrests in just two weeks adds up to an awful lot of people circumventing Israel’s Wall. And of course those numbers reflect the absolute minimum number of Palestinians who successfully bypass it, as they count only those who are arrested while working inside Israel, not those who remain there undetected.

        more at link: http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2007/09/one-thousand-tw.html

      • tree
        tree
        December 18, 2013, 6:51 pm

        And lest you think that because Lawrence of Cyberia’s link is from 2007 that the situation has changed, here is a link from less than a month ago in the JPost:

        The number of Palestinians from the West Bank working Jewish settlements there and in Israel has increased from ninety-six thousand in the first quarter of the year to 103 thousand in the third quarter.The numbers were released in a report by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics on Thursday.

        51,000 of the Palestinian workers employed in Israel had work permits while 34,600 did not have permits, according to the report.

        http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/34600-Palestinians-working-in-Israel-without-permits-332597

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 18, 2013, 5:49 pm

        @Eva –Israel has constructed defensive fortifications. Israeli West Bank barrier.

        And it’s still just as ineffective as the Maginot and Bar Lev Lines. Thousands of Palestinians walk into Israel where they are still part of the workforce.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 19, 2013, 8:20 am

        @Hostage —

        Right now there isn’t much need to tighten it. When there was a major suicide bombing campaign it along with more aggressive policing brought it to an end.

        If there were a major intifada, those jobs disappear and that wall becomes remilitarized. Ask the Koreans how ineffectual the DMZ is.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 19, 2013, 4:15 pm

        If there were a major intifada, those jobs disappear and that wall becomes remilitarized.

        And again anyone with military training can tell you that fixed fortifications are indefensible.

        Ask the Koreans how ineffectual the DMZ is.

        It’s just an imaginary line marked by a couple thousand signs. I’d have to ask them why the DMZ didn’t even stop North Korea from firing artillery shells onto the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong. For that matter, the Korean war itself began as a dispute over the post-WWII division of Korea along nearly the same (38th parallel) lines.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 19, 2013, 4:34 pm

        @JeffB “Israel has constructed defensive fortifications, Israeli West Bank barrier.”

        Uh huh.

        A) It isn’t in Israel. Normal countries build their defenses in their own territory.

        B) Meanwhile 34,600 potential suicide bombers regularly enter Israel, apparently undetected http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/34600-Palestinians-working-in-Israel-without-permits-332597 These ‘defensive fortifications’ don’t seem to work. Maybe because they aren’t actually ‘defensive fortifications’ at all, just another land grab by the Jewish state coveting non-Israeli territory. Odd isn’t it for a so called Jewish state. Coveting other folks property is against the basic tenets of Judaism.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      December 18, 2013, 12:59 pm

      The EU is dead right. Israel is rich enough to cover the effects of its pauperisation policies. Europe is done paying for WW2. Israel needs to grow up.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        December 18, 2013, 10:38 pm

        Seafoid,

        The EU doesnt have to pay for the PA. But isn’t it a good thing to help poor people? And the Isr. State would not provide as much for them.

        I do get the argument about how the PA works to suppress dissent. But funding to the PA has a dual role, not just suppression, but also welfare.

        How about the EU and US stop providing welfare funding for the Isr. State?

        So I feel conflicted. My guess is that if the PA is considered to overall have a bad role, then the EU should better fund Pal. society, but do it through civil society orgs. and charities like World Vision or UN agencies.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        December 19, 2013, 12:30 am

        W.Jones – I share your feelings about the potential harm that could come to Palestinians if the EU turns off the funding tap.

        Abbas has mentioned ‘handing the keys back to Israel’ before, a tacit admission of the PA’s role in perpetuating the occupation. I think he probably feels a great deal on conflict about the matter himself. I certainly don’t envy him, he cops it from every direction.

        It would have to be a major turning point in the conflict if the EU does stop the funds. It’s hard to think of anything else that would have such an effect, short of the US stopping it’s own funds to Israel or ceasing to use their SC veto power to shield Israel from the full force of international law.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        December 19, 2013, 2:15 am

        Sumud,

        CMEP has its members meet a few legislators’ staff at some point to mention to them a few of CMEP’s ideas. The one about funding the PA was based on our humanitarian desires to help people. If they are starving and have no means, it does severely limit what they can do. This may be one reason some Arab countries like Qatar make donations to Gaza or the PA, even if they do not agree with Israeli, Gazan, or PA policies. CMEP also removed a positive reference to the PA’s security measures from their talking points, because they know that there has been torture or other abuses.

        Now what you may find interesting is that CMEP found having the US fund the PA to be the most successful and favored of its talking points with the staff of the legislators, who are of course very supportive of the State.

        I get the idea that the State would have to pay for the occupation if there were no supplies from outside. But how much would they really do this if they were not pressured to? The amount they let in to Gaza is very small, and they are harsh with the PA territories. So how much do you really expect they would donate to the PA without being forced to?

        The reply by opponents of donations is that if there was no donations, then the PA would erupt in rebellion. This is probably correct too. But is this a good situation in which to indirectly force them to rebel?

        So at this point I think humanitarian motives and goals are right to follow in donating, but I can see other issues too.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 19, 2013, 2:08 pm

        The EU keeps the occupation going. So does the absence of international law.

        So how about one slam dunk
        Eu defunds + BDS + ICJ

  3. mondonut
    mondonut
    December 18, 2013, 10:29 am

    What a joke. Unnamed officials issuing vague threats with zero political backing, threats that run counter to everything they have said, done and tried to achieve over the past few years. Sure, it’s great stuff for the Mondos to chew on but it has no basis in reality.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      December 18, 2013, 5:57 pm

      Unnamed officials issuing vague threats with zero political backing,

      This actually happened a couple of weeks ago. Reuters and and others identified him as the EU spokesman for the Middle East peace process. The next day Ashton’s office said the EU ministers had never decided to cutoff funding, they were simply in discussions about future policy and that was a suggestion that some had advanced in one of their meetings. But the fact remains the EU was only funding the PA in order to facilitate statehood and the 2SS. If that fails to happen, Israel really is to blame and should pay for its continued occupation.

  4. LeaNder
    LeaNder
    December 18, 2013, 10:48 am

    Interesting, but I do not hold my breath. Interesting because concerning the limited news I watch over here, one thing struck me when I actually did in special contexts, we always are told that Israel withholds money but we are never told to what extend our taxes sustain the occupation exercise. In other words I am assuming that most Germans think that Israel supports the “Arab village”.

  5. JeffB
    JeffB
    December 18, 2013, 10:55 am

    I’m not sure how cutting off aid to the PA is supposed to hurt Israel. The reason for the aide to the PA was that European countries wanted to be able to show their level of influence on the ground for domestic reasons. I don’t see why 2006 wouldn’t repeat if they intend to cut off aide. This also relieves a lot of pressure in Europe to take more hostile action. So sounds like a good thing to me on balance.

    It will be interesting to see how Israel responds given a freer hand, a carrot as well as a stick. Do they for example create huge economic disparities between various areas in the West Bank to encourage internal migrations and break up social structures? Do they try and setup some sort of town level governments like Ariel Sharon advocated? In the mid 2000s there was a lot of talk in Israel in funding civil war in Gaza. Would they still want this or are they content with the situation? Opens up lots of possibilities for Israel.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      December 18, 2013, 4:37 pm

      The reason for the aide to the PA was that European countries wanted to be able to show their level of influence on the ground for domestic reasons.

      No the reason for the aide to the PA was to help Israel with the occupation to offset the cost.

      It will be interesting to see how Israel responds given a freer hand, a carrot as well as a stick.

      No it won’t, we already know how Israel will respond. Israel is a one trick pony, so they will respond the way they always do – more home demolitions, more settlements etc.

      Do they try and setup some sort of town level governments like Ariel Sharon advocated?

      They’re called bantustans Jeff. Sharon was a big fan of the idea.

    • talknic
      talknic
      December 19, 2013, 4:45 pm

      @ JeffB “I’m not sure how cutting off aid to the PA is supposed to hurt Israel”

      The Occupying Power is responsible.

      “It will be interesting to see how Israel responds given a freer hand, a carrot as well as a stick.”

      The carrot would be taken away

      ” Opens up lots of possibilities for Israel”

      You’re gloating over your own straw

  6. American
    American
    December 18, 2013, 11:38 am

    I am not sure that threat isnt really aimed at making Palestine capitulate to Israeli demands in a settlement.
    The EU knows full well that Israel isnt going to be finanically responsible for keeping the occupied Palestines and Gazans alive.
    Israel has spent ZERO on their occupation prisoners—-Isr in fact makes money off the aid that is given to Palestine because most of the goods purchased by that aid money are bought and delivered from Israel.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 18, 2013, 3:35 pm

      @American —

      I agree that a threat of cutting off aide as a way to pressure Abbas is more plausible, than a punishment for Israel. Europe is tired of the stress and wants Abbas’ signature on a deal.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 18, 2013, 4:39 pm

        No, even Abbas has suggested dissolving the PA, so it’s not a pressure on Abbas at all.

        Europe is tired of the stress and wants Israel out of the territories. Next will be sanctions and hopefully a full embargo that will collapse Israel’s economy.

  7. Citizen
    Citizen
    December 18, 2013, 12:05 pm

    EU is tired of subsidizing Israel’s rogue conduct. On the related issue of subsidizing those illegal and ever expanding settlements, Israel should be required to pay for those too. Even in Texas, there’s a growing demand for that: http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/u-s-shouldnt-complain-about-israeli-settlements-were-getting-what-weve-paid-for.html/

    So long as EU and US subsidize Israel’s occupation, and even the illegal settlement expansion, why should Israel change its conduct? When the goy nations pay for the Jewish state’s occupation and its settlements in the OT, this combined dole frees up Israeli taxpayer money that would otherwise have to be spent on OT operations, that is, on occupied Palestinians and Jewish settlers on occupied land. Netanyahu said about 17 years ago Israel was going to stand on its own feet economically. Let this Zionist freedom bell ring! (BTW, nearly all the start-ups in the start-up nation have been government subsidized.)

  8. miriam6
    miriam6
    December 18, 2013, 1:17 pm

    On the other hand – the EU is offering THIS carrot to both Israelis and Palestinians..

    EU promises ‘unprecedented’ aid for Mideast peace

    BRUSSELS (AP)
    — European Union foreign ministers on Monday pledged “unprecedented” political, financial and security support for Israel and the Palestinians if they reach a peace agreement.
    In the event of a final peace deal, EU ministers said, the 28-member trade bloc will offer Israel and a future state of Palestine a “special privileged partnership.”
    That will mean increased access to European markets, facilitation of trade and investment, closer cultural and scientific ties and promotion of business-to-business relations.
    Greater political dialogue and cooperation in the security realm are also foreseen, the ministers said.

    http://www.mail.com/int/news/europe/2522418-eu-promises-unprecedented-aid-mideast-peace.html#.1258-stage-hero1-12

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      December 18, 2013, 10:16 pm

      Kinda fits in with Kerry’s latest proposal, not to establish a Palestinian sovereign state, but to buy peace by economically enhancing Palestinian (business) institutions. EU and US trying to buy off the unelected Abbas’s negotiators?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 19, 2013, 12:06 am

        Kinda fits in with Kerry’s latest proposal, not to establish a Palestinian sovereign state, but to buy peace by economically enhancing Palestinian (business) institutions.

        No, the Quartet Road Map adopted by the UN Security Council still calls for recognition of the Palestinian State in Phase II, before the Phase III final settlement. MW interpreted the Kerry’s remarks about the Palestinians having waited so long that they deserve good state institutions to mean no statehood at all. But you can’t have “state institutions” without a “state”.

  9. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius
    December 18, 2013, 3:10 pm

    ”Hamas seized the territory from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2007, leaving him with only the West Bank.”

    Are times so tough for AP that they can’t afford to pay researchers? Nobody ‘seized the territory from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2007”. Hamas had the temerity to, you know, actually win an election and the ‘coup’ was in fact a pre-emptive attempt to prevent a US/Israeli power grab.

    Very poor ‘journalism’.

    • just
      just
      December 18, 2013, 5:19 pm

      Thanks Max.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      December 18, 2013, 6:17 pm

      Are times so tough for AP that they can’t afford to pay researchers? Nobody ‘seized the territory from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2007”. Hamas had the temerity to, you know, actually win an election and the ‘coup’ was in fact a pre-emptive attempt to prevent a US/Israeli power grab.

      Very poor ‘journalism’.

      Haniyeh didn’t get himself elected President of Palestine and the Hamas militias in question were never Palestinian state organs. Even the Gaza bombshell article in Vanity Fair explained that Hamas launched a so-called preemptive coup.

      The Palestinian Prime Minister did not control any of the Palestinian state Security Forces in 2007. That was still the President’s job, just like it is here in the USA.

  10. Sycamores
    Sycamores
    December 18, 2013, 4:51 pm

    EU funding to the PA was meant to be temporary (5 years, starting back in 1993, part of the Oslo BS). the EU is the main contributor (over 50%) for the international aid to the PA. the funding was meant to establish Palestine as functional state.

    the aid has been misused from day one and the only one who is benefitting from it is israel. with the PA help israel has its occupation of Palestine paid for by international aid.

    each time Abbas threatens to dissolved the PA, the US always begs him not too and each time Abbas gives in.
    the PA receives about $700 millions a year from international aid (not including humanitarian aid).
    this will affect israel financially without doubt.

    EU please, please, please stop the aid to the PA.

    • W.Jones
      W.Jones
      December 18, 2013, 9:04 pm

      I am so confused, Sycamore!

      US churches say ‘No’ to Palestinian aid cuts! | CMEP, Churches for Middle East Peace, Palestine

      The US Senate is currently considering three amendments to a defense spending bill that would reduce or eliminate funding for the Palestinian Authority, Churches for Middle East Peace report. (CMEP) This action comes in the wake of UN action on Thursday to upgrade the PA’s status in the General Assembly. The funding in question includes $370 million for budget support for the Palestinian Authority. This funding is essential to humanitarian programs such as the Augusta Victoria Hospital (a project of Lutheran World Federation) in East Jerusalem.
      http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=21554

      So is Aid good or bad? It is noble to give donations to the poor, and it is bad that so little help is given to Gazans. But then again, we are paying for the needs of a population when the duty to provide the needs is the Occupier’s, and the PA does “guard work” too.

      Look at Ireland during the famine and British occupation. Aid was needed and Britain should have provided it. Britain was very rich. Instead, a million Irish died. No joke! Aid from America would have been good for the Irish.

      So what I see as better, Sycamore, would be a No to Aid for Settlements, and No to giving “security aid” that is used to crush the plebes. But Yes to humanitarian Aid. What do you think?

  11. Amsterdam
    Amsterdam
    December 18, 2013, 5:11 pm

    The Times of Israel, December 4:

    “European diplomats have been mulling the possibility of ending EU funding for the Palestinian Authority should negotiations between Israel and the PLO fail, the Times of Israel has learned. Such a move, if undertaken, could lead to the financial collapse of the PA, which receives European funding estimated at between €300 and €500 million per year.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/half-the-eu-supports-settlement-product-labeling

  12. Hostage
    Hostage
    December 18, 2013, 5:30 pm

    It is common on the left to hear the PA described as stooges for the occupation. Now the EU is evidently beginning to reflect this analysis. This is a significant development.

    In fact, the EU said that funding for the PA was intended to lead to statehood and that if it didn’t, then Israel should pay for its occupation. They did not say PA officials were stooges. In fact they’ve offered both sides an unprecedented package of economic and trade benefits if they reach a final settlement.

    FYI, the EU ministers were behind the Quartet Road Map and the General Assembly emergency session resolution that called on the Palestinian Authority to undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks. http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/F3B95E613518A0AC85256EEB00683444

    That’s what gets the left’s panties in a wad, and they should address their criticism to the right governments in the first place and stop blaming the victims of their own government policies.

  13. American
    American
    December 18, 2013, 7:21 pm

    Jewish Paul Revere, Max Blumenthal, rides again…..warning the populace, are they listening?

    http://storify.com/MaxBlumenthal/zionism-anti-semitism-and-the-extreme-right

    Zionism, Anti-Semitism, and the Extreme Right

    A look at the emerging bonds between international right-wing extremists and the state of Israel in the context of historical Zionist collaboration with anti-Semitic rightists.
    >>>>

    You need to click on the link to see the tweets Max is sending documenting Israeli officials scurrying all over the world to make common cause with the far right and the anti semite leaders in Europe.
    Is mind blowing.
    Actually I had noticed this ‘shared agenda’ with the far right 2 /3 years ago–but the Isr marriage with them has now speeded up considerably and become more
    formal.
    Impossible to stress enough how stupid this is. Do the zionist think that if they form an alliance with the far right to help them get the Muslims and als0 get support for Israel, that the far right in Europe will stop at getting rid of the Muslims and not go for the Jews in their countries next/too?
    What is the Zio end goal in this? To have Jews flee to Israel when the bigots also turn on them or to use some turning on European Jews as another holocaust rallying cry for Israel to have it’s way for Greater Israel?
    Playing with fire imo.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      December 18, 2013, 10:23 pm

      Don’t you remember The Tranfer Agreement? Old wine in old bottles.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 19, 2013, 10:20 am

      @American

      Jews in Europe right now are throwing moral support behind rightwing parties because they (effectively) got kicked out of the European left. The European Jewish community has been moving right in most countries for a few generations. France is probably the best example where the French Jewish population mostly feel that the French left kicked them out because of their anti-Zionist / pro-moselm positions.

      At the same time the European right’s objections to Jews are disappearing as Jews shift right. In particular Jews no longer support a world government and a world without states since Jews now have their own state and are much more satisfied with the world as it exists. Why is to hard to believe that as Jews agree with the right’s worldview on more issues that the European right isn’t willing to reassess their position on Jews?

      We saw a similar example in the United States during the 2003-4 protests against the Iraq war. Which might be more familiar. When the Iraq war was first being raised, Hussein’s anti-Semitism / anti-Zionism played a major role in dividing the peace movement. About 1/2 the peace movement in the USA is Jewish and the Jews, even in the peace movement mostly did support or were indifferent to forcible regime change. Democratic politicians seeing that even the peace movement was divided decided not to oppose Bush and the Republicans.

      As the war built up and then started, the antiwar movement decided to embrace anti-Zionism as “part of the struggle” and Jews walked away from the antiwar movement during those years. George Bush had the advantage of a weak divided peace movement. It was only when the antiwar movement became narrowly focused on US out of Iraq that Jewish participation resumed and the peace movement started to become effectual.

      And incidentally I think the same thing applies here. If BDS is successful in becoming a mainstream position among Democrats in the USA one of the consequences will be that Jews become Republicans. And that’s a group that is quite possibly the most socially liberal ethnic minority in America, and relatively economic liberal as well. In 2012 when the Republicans lost ground almost across the board with ethnic, religious and racial minorities there were very few exceptions. One of those exceptions was Jews where Romney’s strong position on Israel won him an extra 100k Jewish votes or so.

      ___

      Even if your assessment is right, what European Jews are doing is acting like a people. They are sacrificing their local interests for the more important national interest. Zionism created a nation.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        December 21, 2013, 7:33 am

        @ JeffB

        “…what European Jews are doing is acting like a people. They are sacrificing their local interests for the more important national interest. Zionism created a nation.”

        Obviously. They are sacrificing American interests for what they perceive as Israel’s interests–they view themselves as Israel Firsters, not American Firsters, and so should we. Since their nation is Israel, they should move to Israel. Not live in America and view it as nothing but a tool for the state of Israel to use at its pleasure.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 23, 2013, 6:58 am

        @Citizen —

        Hard to be an anti-Zionist and advocating moving 5m more Jews to Israel. Sorry but you have to pick.

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