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(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

Days before John Kerry is poised to arrive in the Middle East for another round of direct negotiations between Israeli and Palestinian leaders, ten thousand Israelis marched in the hills east of Jerusalem in a protest organized by a founder of extremist settler groups. The event was led by Daniella Weiss, 69, a three-decade veteran of clandestine settler organizations and one of the first to mobilize “price tagging” rampages in Palestinian cities, and her project the Nachala movement.

Pro-settler protesters march from Ma'ale Adumim to the hills of E1 in a demonstration against Kerry backed peace talks. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Pro-settler protesters march from Ma’ale Adumim to the hills of E1 in a demonstration against Kerry backed peace talks. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Weiss’s group bussed in the demonstrators from religious schools across Israel while others, yeshiva students in Mechiva, a one-year religious program after high school, were transported on buses paid for by the government-funded schools. Speakers at a rally in the upscale settlement of Ma’ale Adumim and a dusk celebration inside of the occupied land called E1 included members of Knesset and government ministers. Although Nachala organizers said national figures including Minister of Economy Naftali Bennett and Likud’s Miri Regev were scheduled to address the crowd, none of the mainstream right leaders showed.

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

When the youth protesters first gathered in front of a shopping mall, the atmosphere was like summer camp. The cohorts belted spirited and atonal sing-a-longs. After an hour-long march through the sand swept hills of E1, the evening rally appeared more like a Meir Kahane festival than a pubescent love-Israel affair. By sundown reels upon reels of “Kahane was right” stickers plastered the arms of the pro-settler youths from cities as far as Eilat and Mitzpe Ramon– honoring a militant Zionist who supported removing Palestinians from the occupied territories. A group of adults chanted, “No, no Kerry!” A band serenaded the youths with “Am Yisrael Chai,” the unofficial anthem of Kahane rallies during the 1980s.

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

Speakers at the evening event included Weiss, Uri Ariel, the minister of housing and construction, and Ze’ev Elkin, a member of Likud and the foreign deputy minister of Israel. While Weiss was a known participant in the Jewish Underground, and is considered today a mother-hen to the hilltop youth, having been investigated for harboring wanted vandals, Ariel and Elkin also have ties to extremist groups despite their standing in government. In 2011 a group of settlers attacked an IDF base. A year later both Ariel and Elkin admitted to aiding the violent wildcats by informing them of IDF positions.

Thirty years ago Weiss had a reputation as a menace. As a member of the Jewish Underground, a loose network of followers of the extremist Rabbi Kahane, Weiss attained high standing when she was appointed as the General Secretary of Gush Emunim, a nationalist-religious settler organization with its own ruffian shadow group, in 1985.

Daniella Weiss, speaking in area E1, 13 February 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Daniella Weiss, speaking in area E1, 13 February 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Months before the start of the first Intifada, Weiss organized what the Israeli Defense Forces called a “pogrom” in Qalqilya, a siege-like takeover of the Northern West Bank Palestinian city. After days of firebombs the Israeli military was brought in to suppress the 1987 settler attack, dubbing it the “night of bottles.” The Israeli legal rights group Yesh Din said, “she managed to get away with a fine and a suspended sentence,” marking the “tradition of our courts of being merciful toward hooligan settlers.”

The 1987 riot was under the advisement of one of Weiss’s Gush Emunim council members, Rabbi Moshe Levinger, a foremost member of the Underground, and Weiss’s spiritual adviser. Levinger has been arrested nearly a dozen times, for crimes ranging from beating a six-year old to killing two Palestinians. In the latter case, he was convicted of manslaughter. Levinger is also one of the co-founders of the radical Kiryat Araba settlement near Hebron. Today he is retired from the Underground and lives in Hebron.

In the 1980s Weiss’s extremism caused a split in Gush Emunim, where members viewed her post as a veiled pulpit for violence against the Israeli military and Palestinians. “The current leadership of Gush Emunim is functioning like a committee for the underground detainees and has become an arm of the terror organization and therefore it is disengaging from the majority in the settlements and in the nation,” said Rabbi Yoel Bin-Nun, on Weiss’s reign of the organization. Bin-Nun and others left to form a new association of settlers.

Weiss lambasted settlers seeking relations with Palestinians as “collaborators.” After she was deposed, Weiss moved on to the Nachala movement where she founded illegal outposts, including Kedumim where she now lives and once was the town’s mayor.

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

“Her close and informal contacts with members of Knesset,” noted professor Ian Lustick in For the Land and the Lord: Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel, gained Weiss the endearment of “the queen of the Knesset cafeteria.” She skillfully parlayed her leadership position to meet regularly with the late Ariel Sharon when he was minister of housing and construction. In the 1970s Weiss was one of the founders of Elon Moreh, the first settlement to built on “state owned” land in the West Bank. After years years of meetings with Sharon, acquiring state land became a mainstay tactic for contemporary Israeli expansion over the Green Line, implemented under Sharon’s tenure as Prime Minister.

But today Weiss has softened her rhetoric to reach the modern Orthodox youth of Israel with the Nachala movement, a group that initiates new illegal outposts in the West Bank. Yet Weiss still calls for the use of violence against Palestinians and left-wing Israelis, describing such actions as “ongoing rebellions.” She even attacked a group of activists from the anti-occupation group Machsom Watch at a checkpoint in 2004, when Weiss was well into her fifties. “Stoning is complicated, because stoning entails dangers,” said Weiss in an interview in 2008. “Damaging property, I don’t consider a sin, because the dearest property, the land [of Israel] is now in danger.”

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

(Photo: Allison Deger)

However, Weiss’s extremist views went unknown past scores of the protesting Israeli youngsters on their school field trip to the West Bank. “A lot of them are not politically aware,” said David Charvith, 19, one of the Mechiva students, and pointed specifically at the Kahane stickers. Charvith said he does not condone murder– one of Kahane’s most controversial recommendations– and his assessment was that neither did the high-schoolers. “Just look at those girls, I don’t think they would hurt a fly,” he said motioning over to a group of teens in pencil skirts and light make-up.

In fact teenager after smiling, giggling teenager said they were not marching in E1 to protest Kerry or Netanyahu, as Weiss said from the stage, but to support Israel and the Jewish people. In fact, of a dozen teens I spoke with, most didn’t even know that the march was scheduled to take place on a controversial hilltop, and none could articulate its strategic importance to both Israeli and Palestinian negotiators.

“I don’t follow politics that much. I’m just here to help the general protest of anti-pressure from the American government,” said a 26 year old from Brooklyn who lives in Afula. “I guess I’m the wrong person to talk to.”

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  1. casaananda
    casaananda
    February 15, 2014, 12:34 pm

    Disgusting, these people.

  2. Krauss
    Krauss
    February 15, 2014, 12:37 pm

    Good reporting.

    10,000 mostly young people come out in defence of Apartheid. Where is the left in Israel? It’s a bunch of isolated people and graying peaceniks like Larry Derfner. I sympathize with them but let’s be honest: they are finished and a spent force.

    This rally shows very clearly who is in command of the future of Israel.
    Just like the racist, pro-genocide ex-Shas rabbi had over 700,000 people at his funeral compared to what, 9,000 for the saint of secular Israel, Arik Einstein.

    As Stalin liked to say: quantity is a quality in of itself. And these people are not just more, they are also a lot more fanatical about their beliefs. Please don’t waste our time with myths about “engagement”. These people will rather go down in a literal fire than give up the settlements.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      February 15, 2014, 12:43 pm

      On a unrelated sidenote, pretty amazing what kind of racial/ethnic diversity exists in those photos. From dark black to very bright red, stereotypically Irish to Northern European light blonde to brown Sephardic. All among just a group of 15-20 girls.

      I always laugh when I see people desperately trying to prove that Jews are a single race, united by blood. They are not a majority in the community but they are there, folks like Ostrer who try to qualify that kind of argument through various ways in order to further a Zionist concensus through science.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        February 15, 2014, 4:52 pm

        Yeah, everyone is all smiles now but wait until that black girl’s brother tries to date one of those tow-headed lasses, then we’ll see the bat-guano hit the fan.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        February 16, 2014, 4:18 am

        wait until that black girl’s brother tries to date one of those tow-headed lasses, then we’ll see the bat-guano hit the fan

        Settler racism doesn’t quite work that way. The attitude toward Beta Yisrael (Ethiopian Jews) on settlements is probably better than in Israeli society in general. The acceptance of the Beta Yisrael for many on the far right is ideological — part of the “ingathering of the exiles”, settlement of the land, etc. Colour is far less of an issue.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 15, 2014, 11:41 pm

        “I always laugh when I see people desperately trying to prove that Jews are a single race, united by blood. ”

        I likewise disagree about the claimed homogeneity of Arabs that comprise the member countries of the Arab League.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 16, 2014, 2:54 am

        @Walid – With the difference that as crazy a theory as that claiming a common blood origin for the Arabs is generally considered pure bullshit, while the Jewish crowd and especially the Zionists stick to the “diaspora” theory like a baby kangaroo to his mom. Well, duh, that’s their land deed.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      February 15, 2014, 1:26 pm

      Ovadia Yosef- pro genocide? Maybe. But if the only quote is when he says, “God should cause the Palestinians to perish”, this is not pro genocide. (It is wrong. It is bad. But it is not pro genocide. Genocide is an act of humans, not an act of God.)

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        February 15, 2014, 1:51 pm

        Yes, he was pro-genocide. Stop defending him you clown.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        February 15, 2014, 2:03 pm

        But if the only quote is when he says, “God should cause the Palestinians to perish”, this is not pro genocide.

        How about (in reference to Arabs in general): “It is forbidden to show them mercy, they should be given some terrific missiles (tilim al hakef kefak), wiped out (lehashmid otam), these cursed, wicked [people].”

        http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-654389,00.html
        (Hebrew)

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        February 15, 2014, 10:51 pm

        lehashmid otam counts as being pro genocide.

        “They should all drop dead” does not count as being pro genocide.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        February 15, 2014, 11:12 pm

        What a joke. There is no moral difference in someone saying, “I hope the Nazis kill every Jew” or “I hope God kills every Jew” or “I hope a disease kills every Jew” and anyone who says any of these thigs can be called “pro-genocide.” Almost as inhumane is the attempt to excuse the latter because of particular cause of the megadeaths.

        (And nothing in this analysis changes if “Jew” is changed to any other group, including “Arab.”. I know. Shouldn’t have to be said but there are zionists here…)

      • marc b.
        marc b.
        February 15, 2014, 2:28 pm

        Shmuel beat me to it. Besides his unequivocally annihilationist statements, he regularly referred to Gentiles as the slaves of Jews, animal more than human. (Does the slaughter of animals constitute a ‘genocide’? And would Fredman be parsing words if the ayatollah publicly called upon Allah to annihilate ‘the Jews’?). In any event, when a spiritual leader petitions ‘g_d’ to smite this sinner and that unbeliever it’s not simply a prayer, it’s also a call to action.

      • American
        American
        February 15, 2014, 3:47 pm

        yonah says…..’But if the only quote is when he says, “God should cause the Palestinians to perish”, this is not pro genocide. (It is wrong. It is bad. But it is not pro genocide. Genocide is an act of humans, not an act of God.)>>>>>

        Calling on God to perish some people is not pro genocide? That is so pathetic, you should be embarassed.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        February 15, 2014, 4:59 pm

        Typical racist yonah, excusing clearly genocidal statements because it was a Jew who said it.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        February 15, 2014, 5:22 pm

        Ovadia Yosef- pro genocide? Maybe. But if the only quote is when he says, “God should cause the Palestinians to perish”, this is not pro genocide. (It is wrong. It is bad. But it is not pro genocide. Genocide is an act of humans, not an act of God.).

        ROFL. So HE was not pro genocide, because YOU don’t believe that (his) God could commit genocide and did so in the past according to his believe?

        Yosef was a psychopath like so many others who believe that it is ‘morally good’ to obey “God” (or a Fuehrer), even if this God commands to commit genocide.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 16, 2014, 12:01 am

        “Genocide is an act of humans, not an act of God.”

        Do, please, show what part of either the normal or the legal definitions of genocide relieves God of moral or legal responsibility for any mass killings he may commit.

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        February 16, 2014, 5:59 pm

        @ yonah,

        Q: Genocide is an act of humans, not an act of God.

        R: Does this mean the Germans weren’t that bad after all?

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 15, 2014, 2:32 pm

      Very good reporting.

      These people are nuts. They may be devoted to the cause but they are economically useless. They don’t generate anything.

      http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/77378/girls-at-war
      I bet Israel will shaft them.
      I bet a good few of the girls are abused as well.

      I hope they don’t take Judaism down with them.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 15, 2014, 11:53 pm

        “they are economically useless. They don’t generate anything.”

        It’s an easy life being a parasite, seafoid; land cost is zero, water is abundant, cheap labour is imported and sent home after dark, abundant cash keeps flowing from the mother-country, the army is there to watch over things. No need to generate anything except babies to help establish more facts on the ground. Were these people born useless or were they made that way by the state?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 16, 2014, 1:19 am

        It all comes back to setting appropriate incentives, Walid. Works for banking, pharma, geopolitics….
        The wrong incentives lead to the big crash. And you can’t change behaviours when it counts.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        February 16, 2014, 2:21 am

        @ seafoid

        “I hope they don’t take Judaism down with them.”

        Probably too late there seafoid because (and I was having this conversation last night) more and more people, even disinterested Spaniards think of jack boots, house demolitions and laughable cries of “but we’re the victim” when they think of Judaism and little else. Zionism has succeeded in one thing at least – it’s terminally damaged the reputation of Judaism.

        (They also seriously resent a bunch of jack boot wearing thugs being given passports because of something that happened 500 years ago)

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 16, 2014, 5:36 pm

        http://www.utne.com/arts/jewish-identity-zm0z12ndzlin.aspx?PageId=2

        “My feelings about being Jewish—or not—came and went during the next 15 years. Denying them was easy around non-Jews. “I’m nothing,” I would respond when asked about my religion. “I was born Jewish, but I’m really nothing.” But rejecting the fact of my Jewishness felt oddly painful among Jewish friends who loved the tradition for the guidance and wisdom it provided. In their company, I felt connected yet alienated, envious and confused. By blood I was Jewish. In my mind, however, I was an imposter: a low-class, white-trash welfare kid who had never learned enough about Judaism to claim it as a birthright. What would it take for me to feel like I belonged? My mother’s death, my marriage and, above all, motherhood made me want to try.
        I hadn’t grown up with the language of prayer, but something about these major and life-altering lifecycle events made me want to pray. I craved the words and rituals that had guided generations through grief, sanctified marriages, and blessed children. I began reading and trying to learn the prayers and basic tenets of Judaism. I said kaddish for my mother and married a similarly conflicted, nonobservant Jew under a huppah. When Sophie, our first child, was born, I vowed not to pass on the ignorance and shame that had informed my own pained Jewish identity. When she turned five, we joined a Reform synagogue and enrolled her in Hebrew School. It is important to know who you are, I told Sophie and her little brother, Ben, whenever they complained about going to Hebrew School. You are Jewish. It is your heritage. Question it. Struggle with it. Reject it, if you must. But know what you are rejecting. ”

        Zionism would appear to be very far away from real Judaism

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 16, 2014, 8:19 pm

        ‘”It is important to know who you are,” I told Sophie and her little brother, Ben, whenever they complained about going to Hebrew School.’

        I’m pretty sure they know they are Sophie and Ben. That is who they are. What more can Hebrew school teach them about that?

        “You are Jewish.”
        But they don’t have to be. Why lumber them with it?

        “It is your heritage.”
        What makes the Jewish stuff any more their “heritage” than, say, Confucianism? Only that the parent wants to bring the children up in it, even though he doesn’t know it himself.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        February 17, 2014, 3:16 pm

        @ seafoid

        When she turned five, we joined a Reform synagogue and enrolled her in Hebrew School. It is important to know who you are, I told Sophie and her little brother, Ben…

        Apparently they were two kids who didn’t want their mother’s search for some anchoring identity foisted on them.

        You are Jewish.

        What exactly does that mean coming from a mother who created her own ethno-religious identity later in life? Why couldn’t they just be “American?”

  3. annie
    annie
    February 15, 2014, 12:42 pm

    it’s amazing to me the state funds field trips like this for children, fodder for extremists to brainwash. it’s stunning really.

    excellent reporting allison, and the photos are amazing.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      February 15, 2014, 12:46 pm

      Every state has an ideology of its own. China does its brainwashing, so does America.
      Few Americans are as whitewashed as Lincoln, for example, who advocated until two minutes to midnight that after slavery, the U.S. should just ship them back to Africa and wash its hands.

      Or take the eradication of native americans from the history books, who are given token paragraphs and then quickly ignored.

      But yeah, the Israeli one is pretty extreme.

      It’s basically the only country left among the Western nations – if it even belongs to this group anymore – that advocates nationalism based on blood and soil where there are still significant minorities. I’m not counting countries like Finland where the population has remained roughly the same over the last thousands of years.

      This is why I think “liberal” Zionists are naive. Even if we had a 2SS tomorrow, these ideological clashes are fundamental and will not go away.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    February 15, 2014, 12:46 pm

    mehane , you asked me Thursday who the trouble makers and whiners are that I do not want in my neighbourhood.Well here are 10,000 of them.

    You want these miscreants in yours.And would it be racist if you did not.

    Hope that answers your question.

  5. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    February 15, 2014, 12:59 pm

    Am Yisroel Chai is much more than the unofficial tune sung at Kahane rallies. It predates Kahane and predates the 80’s. It was composed by Shlomo Carlebach in the struggle to free Soviet Jewry. True, it is not a leftist anthem, but to label it as if it is a Kahanist tune is inaccurate.

    The underground was extremist, but it was not just Kahanists. Yehuda Etzion, one of the major figures in the underground, was no Kahanist. (Meaning he was no follower of Kahane, although their philosophies were similar. If by Kahanism you mean those in favor of transfer, yes. If you mean a follower of Kahane, no.)

  6. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    February 15, 2014, 1:14 pm

    Well no one can say that Israel isnt brainwashing its people thats for sure.

  7. ritzl
    ritzl
    February 15, 2014, 1:18 pm

    Child abuse.

    Jerry Springer could do a year of his “best” shows ever using Israel as material.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    February 15, 2014, 1:21 pm

    Can you imagine the uproar if these were Palestinian children.

    The zios would be accusing Palestinians of indoctrinating their children and using them as human shields to name just two of the hasbara comments.

    When the illegal squatters learn to love their children more than they hate Palestinians etc etc.

    Amazing how it is all going south for these racist land thieves .

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 16, 2014, 2:46 pm

      Yes, can you imagine the cries of incitement from Israel’s amen corner?

    • American
      American
      February 16, 2014, 7:35 pm

      amigo says:
      February 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm
      Can you imagine the uproar if these were Palestinian children.>>>>

      If they were Palestine children they would shot by the IDF as a threat.

  9. Mndwss
    Mndwss
    February 15, 2014, 1:31 pm

    Mother hen?

    Should that not be Pied Piper?

    Is that not a new Children’s Crusade?

  10. yrn
    yrn
    February 15, 2014, 1:37 pm

    Amusing, ” in anti-Kerry protest”
    Are you referring to the issue, that MW residence are Pro-Kerry…….
    What a joke, if this is the case, I join MW.

  11. Cliff
    Cliff
    February 15, 2014, 1:53 pm

    This is Israel (not) in Palestine.

    A bunch of crazy, psychotic Jewish nationalists who stole Palestine from the Palestinians.

  12. just
    just
    February 15, 2014, 2:10 pm

    Absolutely stunning.

    Weiss is no “mother- hen”. She is an ugly bird of prey– a veritable vulture. Who in their right mind would allow these kids to participate? Why, their PARENTS– including the ones in Allison’s amazing photographs. If this is not obscene, I don’t know what is. An entire generation devoted to hate/apartheid/ethnic cleansing– they are lost, without a moral compass. I look into their excited faces and see nothing except privileged obscenity.

    An future empty of anything worthwhile or good is what is in store for them.

    (I would characterize the groups mentioned as terrorists)

  13. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 15, 2014, 3:00 pm

    http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/palestine/israel/zionists/individuals/daniella_weiss/

    When [settler activist] Daniella Weiss says, ‘This will be a halakhic state,’ what is she trying to achieve?

    Daniella Weiss, LEADER, SETTLER MOVEMENT: We came to a land where there were other people living, but this land was promised to the Jewish nation by god.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/migron-settlement-ordered-removed-by-312-will-it-happen.html

    Her name was Lea Kop, and she was a web activist and disciple of Daniella Weiss, the old Gush Emunim member who grandmothers the Bnai Akiva youth movement. She’d photographed most of the evacuations and expulsions and posted the albums on the web. “Wherever there’s an atmosphere of destruction, we need to change the intention and expand. It’s the program of the hilltops,” she told me.

    That halakhic state again

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3538781,00.html
    “(EXCERPT) Women must not wear pants even when they are home alone, Rabbi Shlomi Aviner has ruled. Aviner, Beit El’s rabbi and one of Religious Zionism’s most prominent leaders, was asked in a cellular Q&A session published in the “Small World” bulletin, “When a girl goes to relieve herself at night, is she allowed to say the ‘Asher Yatzar’ (‘he who formed’) prayer while wearing a short-sleeved shirt and trousers?” The rabbi replied that it is permitted to say the prayer in such a case, but added that “in general, a woman must always wear modest clothes even when she is alone and in the dark, because the Holy one blessed be he is everywhere. And yes, trousers are a self-prohibition even when a woman is alone.” . . . “

    • MahaneYehude1
      MahaneYehude1
      February 15, 2014, 6:03 pm

      @seafoid;

      What was the purpose of the last paragraph in your comment? Why can’t you respect people beliefs and their tradition?

      I wonder what is your obsession with Judaism. Most of your comments are about Judaism (from the negative aspect) without any connection to the issue. I hope you respect Muslim women wearing Hijab and Jilbab.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 15, 2014, 11:57 pm

      “in general, a woman must always wear modest clothes even when she is alone and in the dark, because the Holy one blessed be he is everywhere.”

      If he is everywhere, he is inside her knickers already. What, then, is the point of the modest clothes?

  14. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    February 15, 2014, 3:15 pm

    All this baloney is depressing me no end!
    Too too sad….

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 17, 2014, 9:03 am

      I feel sorry for Judaism at this stage. Such a waste of a lovely religion.
      Ya salam.

  15. American
    American
    February 15, 2014, 3:52 pm

    Imagine how the Palestines feel seeing 10,000 Israeli youths demostrating…..it probably gives them the same hebbies jebbies the Hitler Youth Corp marches gave the Jews.

  16. radii
    radii
    February 15, 2014, 4:03 pm

    settlers are terrorists … sad to see young people embrace [religious-based] fascism

  17. talknic
    talknic
    February 15, 2014, 5:07 pm

    Brainwashing works.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 15, 2014, 5:32 pm

      Not really. Israel needs the world to swallow the Kool Aid.
      And that could only work if everyone spoke Hebrew.

      This is a top tune that fits the tragedy of Israel

  18. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    February 15, 2014, 5:10 pm

    “Although Nachala organizers said national figures including Minister of Economy Naftali Bennett and Likud’s Miri Regev were scheduled to address the crowd, none of the mainstream right leaders showed.”

    Hmm, anyone know why? Miri is a notorious camera hog, so to speak, so I can’t think why she wouldn’t show. Unless Mr. Sara told her and Bennett to stay away because of all the hoohah in the wake of Schulz’s visit.

    Also isn’t it telling that fascist leaders are considered mainstream over there?

  19. giladg
    giladg
    February 15, 2014, 5:21 pm

    Allison, Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity. This is not an extremist point of view but the exact opposite. It is what it is and you and Philip and Barghouti cannot change this fact, no matter how hard you try.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 16, 2014, 5:22 pm

      Allison, Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity.

      I thought Jerusalem was. In any case, it is not part of Israel so your point in moot.

      It is what it is and you and Philip and Barghouti cannot change this fact, no matter how hard you try.

      No need to change it, though you and your cultists want to change the borders to make it part of Israel

    • just
      just
      February 16, 2014, 5:50 pm

      Please drop into this century without your fairy dust.

      It IS the West Bank, and it is Palestinian. So is Gaza and East Jerusalem. So are many dunums that your and your terrorist settlers have claimed and squatted upon. You deny the truth and reality as a result of your foolish & illegal coveting of your brothers’ and sisters’ land and resources and your denial of their very right to exist. Disgusting.

      (btw– It ain’t “Jew-dea”. )

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 16, 2014, 6:17 pm

      >> Allison, Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible …

      Meaningless.

      >> … and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity.

      The West Bank was tangibly the core of the story and identity of the people who actually lived there, not of the people who lived elsewhere but coveted it.

    • American
      American
      February 16, 2014, 7:31 pm

      giladg says:
      February 15, 2014 at 5:21 pm
      Allison, Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity
      >>>>>

      Imaginary domesticated camels were in the Bible too.

    • talknic
      talknic
      February 16, 2014, 10:10 pm

      giladg “the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity. “

      Uh huh . However, as you have been shown so many times with incontrovertible evidence, it isn’t within Israel’s actual sovereign extent.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 16, 2014, 10:32 pm

      Allison, Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity.

      As MJ Ronserbger Tweeted a few weeks ago, the Jewish Bible says the land belongs to the Jews. Who would have thunk it?

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 16, 2014, 10:32 pm

      @Gigglad – Which, of the bible, or “Jewish identity”, or Star Odyssey balloon zQ55%l, is a “fact” as you say?

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 16, 2014, 10:52 pm

      And nothing must be allowed to stand in the way of Jewish “identity”. It is their “heritage”, their “roots”, “who they are as a people”, and all the rest of the total bollocks.

    • Allison Deger
      Allison Deger
      February 17, 2014, 7:04 am

      I get it. In a way it’s like how there are more religious sites to Serbs in Kosovo than in Serbia. But the point of the rally was nationalistic, not religious. Use, control, or access to religious sites is very different than staging a demonstration on a land corridor and speaking out against the government (the Israeli government) for negotiations.

      What I found at the demonstration, was many young people on a school field trip who are very proud of their religion and culture. But they were led in a march by a violent extremist who is exacting political leverage. One of the youths told me, “I don’t have anything bad to say about anyone,” when speaking of the Kerry negotiation team, yet Weiss’s purpose was in opposition to Kerry. The two don’t add up. Most cynically, the kids were being exploited to astroturf a movement for Greater Israel.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 17, 2014, 7:20 am

        That makes a lot of sense Allison.

        This was maninly a rent a crowd.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        February 17, 2014, 7:28 am

        What I found at the demonstration, was many young people on a school field trip who are very proud of their religion and culture. But they were led in a march by a violent extremist who is exacting political leverage.

        When I was in high school (national religious, Jerusalem), we were bussed in to all sorts of demonstrations, including ultra-nationalist ones (“stop the withdrawal from Sinai” was the cause of the day). Not going to those demonstrations required a conscious act of resistance (my first).

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      February 17, 2014, 9:53 am

      giladg :

      Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity.

      While “Eretz Israel” has been an central element of Jewish psychology and mythology, psychology and mythology do not provide any legal or moral basis for political rights to territory

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      February 17, 2014, 9:56 am

      giladg :

      Judea (Jew-dea) and Samaria, the place you call the West Bank, is the area most often mentioned in the Bible and is at the core of the Jewish story and identity.

      While “Eretz Israel” has been a central element of Jewish psychology and mythology, psychology and mythology do not provide any legal or moral basis for a right to political sovereignty over any territory.

      Furthermore, for centuries “Eretz Israel” did not have a territorialist-nationalist meaning in Judaism. Political Zionism radically altered its meaning in line with 19th century European nationalism, which is a major reason why political Zionism was initially opposed by most Jews.

  20. Hostage
    Hostage
    February 15, 2014, 5:37 pm

    In the 1970s Weiss was one of the founders of Elon Moreh, the first settlement to built on “state owned” land in the West Bank.

    Article 6(b) of the 1945 International Military Tribunal Charter (Nuremberg) included “plunder of public or private property” in its list of war crimes, for which there must be individual criminal responsibility. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp#art6

    The IMT Nuremberg held that the humanitarian rules annexed to the Hague Convention of 1907 were “recognized by all civilized nations and were regarded as being declaratory of the laws and customs of war” by 1939. The Jews of Israel may be a “nation”, but they surely can’t claim to be a “civilized” one.

  21. Henry Norr
    Henry Norr
    February 15, 2014, 5:44 pm

    Great report, Allison. I haven’t seen anything about this demo anywhere else.

    Incidentally, Daniella Weiss is one of the stars of the amazing “Stone Cold Justice” show recently aired on Australian TV.
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/02/10/3939266.htm#sthash.uruIdf6P.dpuf
    Starting at around 7:50, right after Obama tells the Israeli kids to try looking at the world through Palestinian eyes, she says: “We came to a land where there were other people living, but this land was promised to the Jewish nation by God. All the other people who live here will accept Jewish sovereignty in the Promised Land. This is the only way I see. So those who accept it, live nicely; those who don’t accept it, encounters, confrontations.” In other words, we’ll harass, beat, jail, or kill anyone who doesn’t surrender.

    Crystal clear – what more is there to say?

    She appears again later in the show, just after 39:50, explaining how she worked with Ariel Sharon to plan settlements in such a way that “there will be no option for a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria.”

    • just
      just
      February 15, 2014, 5:53 pm

      “Stone Cold Justice” is a must- see.

      Thanks for linking it, Henry.

    • Sumud
      Sumud
      February 15, 2014, 11:56 pm

      Thanks Henry I was going to link to this for the Weiss content also.

      She clearly doesn’t realise the damage she does to Israel’s standing among civilised people. Or maybe she does – and just doesn’t care because god gave the land to the jews blah blah blah.

      I used to say I wished for Ariel Sharon a speedy recovery so he could bear witness to events unfolding in I/P. In the same spirit I wish DW a long and healthy life.

  22. Shingo
    Shingo
    February 15, 2014, 6:23 pm

    She skillfully parlayed her leadership position to meet regularly with the late Ariel Sharon when he was minister of housing and construction.

    This was also pointed out in the ABC Australia Documentary.

    DANIELLA WEISS: With our many talks with Ariel Sharon, and with my work with Ariel Sharon, there was a clear understanding, a very clear planning of spreading the communities, the Jewish communities in the way that there will be no option for a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria.
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/02/10/3939266.htm

    So far from being a fringe figure, Weiss has enjoyed full support and collaboration by Likud/Kadima.

  23. bilal a
    bilal a
    February 15, 2014, 8:55 pm

    Why can’t Jews live in Palestine with their own security forces where necessary, and semi-autonomy, in a multi-cultural state , allowing Jewish, Christian, and Muslim self determination.

    Why won’t pro Palestine activists allow a one state solution for the West Bank.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 16, 2014, 5:24 pm

      Why can’t Jews live in Palestine with their own security forces where necessary, and semi-autonomy, in a multi-cultural state , allowing Jewish, Christian, and Muslim self determination.

      Because it’s Palestine, and they have no right to live in Palestine unless they are prepared to live according to the laws of the land and the authority of the state. Would you allow Palestinians security forces into Jaffa?

      Why won’t pro Palestine activists allow a one state solution for the West Bank.

      Why won’t pro Israeli cultists allow a one state solution for the whole of Palestine fro the Mediterranean and the sea?

  24. bilal a
    bilal a
    February 15, 2014, 9:08 pm

    We have to remember these kids didnt ask to be born in Zionist Israel anymore than White Girls chose to be born in Klan run Alabama., its not their moral fault, they live there, why should they pack up and leave ?

    The PA/Hamas has a moral duty to protect Jews who choose to remain in their birthplace in Palestine. In my understanding, it is completely un-Islamic in theory, and in historical practice, for Muslims to expel Jews where they come into power.

    The Jewish-Islamic era in Spain was a high point in Islamic culture, and Jewish scholarship also flourished. But it was a different form of the multi-culturalism advocated today. All faiths could follow their norms, with full property rights, and with freedom of association.

    Modern multiculturalism breaks down everything to its lowest common denominator.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 16, 2014, 5:28 pm

      We have to remember these kids didnt ask to be born in Zionist Israel anymore than White Girls chose to be born in Klan run Alabama., its not their moral fault, they live there, why should they pack up and leave ?

      Who said anything about those born in Israel being made to pack up and leave ? The occupied territories are not Israel. And why did Israel make 750,000 Palestinians who were born in Palestine, leave (without packing up) in 1948 and another 300,000 in 1967?

      The PA/Hamas has a moral duty to protect Jews who choose to remain in their birthplace in Palestine.

      Israel had a moral duty to protect Palestinians who wanted to remain in their birthplace in Israel, but they expelled them.

      In my understanding, it is completely un-Islamic in theory, and in historical practice, for Muslims to expel Jews where they come into power.

      In my understanding, it is completely against Judaism for Jews to expel anyone where they come into power. So why are you being such an insufferable hypocrite? Why the double standards?

      The Jewish-Islamic era in Spain was a high point in Islamic culture, and Jewish scholarship also flourished. But it was a different form of the multi-culturalism advocated today. All faiths could follow their norms, with full property rights, and with freedom of association.

      It appears that in that case, the high point in Jewish culture is also behind them in that case, given that Arabs do not have full property rights.

      Modern multiculturalism breaks down everything to its lowest common denominator.

      It’s funny hearing your cultists denigrate multiculturalism in Israel but championing it in the US because it suits you.

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 16, 2014, 10:43 pm

      @bilal a – Why should PA or Hamas or anyone else have a “duty to protect Jews who choose to remain in their birthplace in Palestine?

      First, PA nor Hamas don’t have a say; the only authoritative settlement comes from a genuinely sovereign (=armed) Palestinian representation.
      Second, how dare anyone dictate to such a representation what basis their citizenship laws will have (i.e. birthplace or parentage)? How dare anyone dictate what borders they will seek? What if the situation has change enough to claim all of historic Palestine?
      And who said this sovereign representation will be Islamic and not secular? Again, things change. As for Islamic governments and the People of the Book, of course, and you sure don’t have to as far back as Spain. But as law-abiding subjects of the realm alongside all others. Not racial supremacist conquerors.

  25. joer
    joer
    February 16, 2014, 12:54 am

    I wonder how Texans would react if 10,000 Mexican teenagers marched into Texas and claimed it as their homeland. So many people have guns down there that all the teenagers would be shot before the Army had a chance to do it. ..and the TExans would be considered heroes….But I know the situation is different in the Mideast….I just don’t remember why.

  26. just
    just
    February 16, 2014, 4:56 am

    I’m quite sure that D. Weiss is peeved that the terror perpetrated by the “settlers” is not praised and embraced even more than it is:


    Meretz head Gal-On blasts AG over cabinet’s lesser categorization of ‘price tag’ attacks
    Cabinet were allowed to define attacks by extremists on Arabs and Palestinians as being part of ‘forbidden organizations,’ not terror groups

    Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein let the cabinet choose to define the perpetrators of so-called price tag attacks on Arab and Palestinian targets as part of “forbidden organizations” rather than terror groups in June 2013.

    Last summer, as a result of political pressure from the right, the cabinet voted to settle for the less severe definition, which is also applied to charities linked to Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

    The difference between the two terms is significant. While conviction of membership in a terror organization carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, and the property of any organization defined as such can be confiscated by the police and the Shin Bet security service, the only punishment faced by a forbidden organization is the possible confiscation of its property by the state.

    Meretz chairwoman MK Zahava Gal-On sent a letter to Weinstein, asking him to instruct the cabinet to void its decision and to define the perpetrators of price tag attacks as part of terror organizations.

    “Against the recommendation of the attorney general, the cabinet waves a white flag for political reasons, and instead of calling a spade a spade and declaring ‘price tags’ as a terror organization, allows the thugs from the hilltop youth to evade criminal prosecution through the use of administrative orders,” Gal-On said Saturday.

    In her letter to Weinstein, Gal-On wrote, “There is no doubt that in light of the escalation in price tag activities,” they must be defined as acts of terror, and forceful action must be taken against their perpetrators.

    In a written response to Gal-On, Deputy Attorney General Raz Nezri confirmed that Weinstein allowed the cabinet to choose between the two possible definitions. But he also noted that, from the perspective of the police and the Shin Bet, there is no difference between the two terms, as in either case the means of enforcement available to the agencies are identical. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.574423

    Just more proof that the government of Israel has different strokes for different folks…………………apartheid. Terror is a-ok as long as it’s directed at the “others”. Institutionalized terror against the indigenous people. Charming.

  27. just
    just
    February 16, 2014, 5:15 am

    ” the only punishment faced by a forbidden organization is the possible confiscation of its property by the state.”

    It’s hilarious, in a macabre way. So the “state” can confiscate the stolen land that the “settler” sits on? What, so they can pass it on to another family from Brooklyn or Peoria?

    “Last summer, as a result of political pressure from the right, the cabinet voted to settle for the less severe definition, which is also applied to charities linked to Hamas or Islamic Jihad.”

    So the settler terrorists have WHAT to do with charities (linked to Hamas or Islamic Jihad)? Israel– the master of false equivalencies and heaps of bs.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      February 16, 2014, 7:03 am

      just- Peoria? How did you come up with Peoria?

      • just
        just
        February 16, 2014, 8:42 am

        I didn’t think it especially original, yonah. “Settlers” come from all over……

        Peoria does happen to be the ‘home’ of Caterpillar.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 16, 2014, 7:50 pm

        And Peoria is supposed to be representative of Middle America. Thus, the implication is that a family from Peoria is just a bunch of Americans with no right to land in Palestine.

  28. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    February 16, 2014, 5:25 am

    RE: “10,000 Israeli teens follow mother-hen of extremist settler movement in anti-Kerry protest”

    MY COMMENT: Thanks for this excellent article. It was very well written, and was exceptionally informative.

  29. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    February 16, 2014, 6:18 pm

    “The campaign is starting to bite. Last year, Jordan Valley farmers lost an estimated $29 million, or 14 percent of revenue, because they were forced to find alternative markets for their exports, such as Russia, where prices are 20 to 60 percent lower. Pepper exports to Western Europe have stopped completely, and grape exports are likely to be phased out this year because of consumer pressure, says David Elhayani, mayor of the Jordan Valley Regional Council and a farmer himself.” LINK

    If you don’t listen to ‘our’ loud voices, perhaps you’ll hear the whisper of ‘our’ luscious wallets?

    When that guys came at me with a knife, he expected me to go all ‘martial arts’ on him. I knocked him out with a chair. A very solid one.

  30. Shingo
    Shingo
    February 17, 2014, 7:12 am

    OT but very important.

    The ABC Documentary on the occupation abuse of children by the IDF and Israeli police in the occupied territories is on Youtube.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8_qzdDdM4

    It includes Daniella Weiss. Please watch it before Youtube is forced to take it down.

  31. mcohen
    mcohen
    February 17, 2014, 7:22 am

    Allison says

    “In fact, of a dozen teens I spoke with, most didn’t even know that the march was scheduled to take place on a controversial hilltop, and none could articulate its strategic importance to both Israeli and Palestinian negotiators.”

    E1 has been occupied several times,in the news many times in the past year,israel is a small country news travels fast
    in fact

  32. mcohen
    mcohen
    February 17, 2014, 7:47 am

    Allison says

    “In fact, of a dozen teens I spoke with, most didn’t even know that the march was scheduled to take place on a controversial hilltop, and none could articulate its strategic importance to both Israeli and Palestinian negotiators.”

    Each and every person knew why they were there except you allison. how could you not understand the immense sacrifice that israeli,s have made to ensure that these children grow up in a state that Jews can call there own.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 17, 2014, 7:57 am

      Each and every person knew why they were there except you allison.

      Not the ones Allison asked apparently.

      how could you not understand the immense sacrifice that israeli,s have made to ensure that these children grow up in a state that Jews can call there own.

      Jews have a state they can call there own. How could you not understand that none of occupied territories belong that state.

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 17, 2014, 8:10 am

      >> how could you not understand the immense sacrifice that israeli,s have made to ensure that these children grow up in a state that Jews can call there own.

      You say that Israelis have made sacrifices for a supremacist “Jewish State”, but what you really mean is that Jews have made sacrifices for a supremacist “Jewish State”.

      And, of course, you conveniently fail to mention the fact that those sacrifices – which include Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands – were made and continue to be made on the backs of non-Jews, for the homes and lands of non-Jews.

      All for the greater glory of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”.

      That’s a cause for shame, not pride.

    • Shmuel
      Shmuel
      February 17, 2014, 8:13 am

      how could you not understand the immense sacrifice that israeli,s have made to ensure that these children grow up in a state that Jews can call there own

      How could you not understand that “girls just wanna have fun” (as my teenage daughter never tires of telling me)?

      I’ll bet a few of my younger relatives were at this event and, believe me, politics are the furthest thing from their minds. Not that they necessarily disagree with the messages conveyed by the organisers, but that’s not why they were there.

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