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‘We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist’: Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza

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Explosion over Gaza as reported by BBC World News reporter Yalda Hakim over Twitter.

Explosion over Gaza as reported by BBC World News reporter Yalda Hakim over Twitter.

Israeli ground troops have invaded the Gaza Strip in an action that the Israeli government says is meant to destroy the network of tunnels Palestinian militants have built that lead into Israel. While the initial ground incursion may be limited to the tunnels, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said in a statement that “the prime minister and the defense minister have ordered the IDF to make preparations for expanding the ground operation.”

“The prime minister and the defense minister have ordered the IDF to begin a ground operation in order to damage the underground tunnel terrors constructed in Gaza leading into Israeli territory,” the statement from the prime minister’s office read. The last time there was a large ground operation was in January 2009, during Operation Cast Lead, when 1,400 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians, were killed.

It is unclear whether what is being described as an operation to destroy tunnels will expand into a larger ground invasion. But The Independent (UK) reported that Israeli officials told them the “first step would be ‘surgical’ incursions into Gaza and then an operation to divide the Strip into three to prevent movement between the areas,” a strategy Israel employed during the Cast Lead invasion. Al Jazeera’s Gregg Carlstrom reports that “columns” of Israeli tanks have entered Gaza.

“We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist,” Naftali Bennett, the economy minister, said earlier today, Reuters reported.

The ordering of troops into Gaza comes hours after Palestinian militants tried to infiltrate Israel through a tunnel, but were attacked from the air. It also comes after a United Nations-requested humanitarian truce also held before the fighting started back up. Four Palestinian children were killed by Israeli air strikes today. Dozens of rockets were fired into Israel.

In total so far, 231 Palestinians–most of them civilians–have been killed by Israel. One Israeli has been killed by rocket fire.

In the hour before the Israeli ground invasion began, the military launched heavy artillery fire into Gaza. “They’re firing from every direction, everything here is shaking,” one Palestinian from Gaza told Haaretz. Journalists in Gaza have been told to evacuate from beach-front hotels.

Meanwhile, ceasefire talks in Cairo are ongoing. Hamas’ Khaled Meshaal, its political chief, said that a ceasefire must include the lifting of the blockade on Gaza, the halting of air strikes and the release of Palestinians arrested by Israel during its operation in the West Bank, which was started in June after the kidnapping of three Israeli youths.

This post will be updated as more news becomes available. 

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  1. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby on July 17, 2014, 5:11 pm

    What is wrong with these people? There must be somthing wrong with their mentality? This is what the nazis did.

    • MahaneYehude1
      MahaneYehude1 on July 18, 2014, 12:36 am

      @Justpassingby:

      What is wrong with these people? There must be somthing wrong with their mentality? This is what the nazis did.

      I agree with you and asked myself the same questions: What’s wrong with them and their mentality? Why they launch missiles on civilians exactly like the Nazis did in WWII when they bombed London with missiles.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:39 am

        Why they launch missiles on civilians exactly like the Nazis did in WWII when they bombed London with missiles.

        You are talking rubbish as usual potato man. It’s Israel that is striking civilian areas using predication guided munitions. And it waxJewish terrorist who were caught trying to bomb London.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1 on July 18, 2014, 3:02 am

        @Shingo:

        Sorry, Although I am a potato man, I don’t talk rubbish. Now you are replying directly to my comment. Last time, when I linked to a video shows the Palestinian envoy admits that Hamas missile attacks are war crimes, you chose to emphasize my “skills as statistician”. So, let’s continue, how is my English now, Shingo?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:22 pm

        Sorry, Although I am a potato man, I don’t talk rubbish.

        Sorry, but that’s all you do.

        Last time, when I linked to a video shows the Palestinian envoy admits that Hamas missile attacks are war crimes, you chose to emphasize my “skills as statistician”.

        You linked to no video and yes, it was odd that someone as illiterate as you suddenly showed interest in statistical data. Must have been another member of your team who broke out of character.

      • Talkback
        Talkback on July 18, 2014, 10:13 am

        But MahaneYehude1, your Antigentile Apartheid Junta does not only throw “missiles” on civilians in Gaza. 14.000 artillery shells in 2006 alone.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1 on July 19, 2014, 1:55 am

        @Shingo:

        it was odd that someone as illiterate as you…

        As usual, running to ad hominem is the best way to run from the subject. Why do you call me “Illiterate”? Can “illiterate” writes more than 1,000 comments and received many replies? Here are my comments:

        http://mondoweiss.net/profile/mahaneyehude1

        Can “illiterate” write such comments? If the answer is no, I please ask you to stop deal with my characters and deal with the subjects I write in my comments, if you want to. Thanks.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1 on July 19, 2014, 12:24 pm

        @Annie Robins:

        Next time, better delete my comment but don’t change its content. You are desperate.

      • eljay
        eljay on July 18, 2014, 10:27 am

        >> MY1: What’s wrong with them and their mentality? Why they launch missiles on civilians exactly like the Nazis did in WWII when they bombed London with missiles.

        Shame on both sides for launching missiles on civilians. All people responsible for (war) crimes must be brought to justice.

        But tell me, Potato-man, which side has been stealing, occupying and colonizing land outside of its / Partition borders for over 60 years? Which side – to this very day – is the occupying power? Which side refuses to end its occupation and colonization of land outside of its / Partition borders?

        Let’s agree to hold that side accountable for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes, shall we?

  2. eljay
    eljay on July 17, 2014, 5:11 pm

    >> “The prime minister and the defense minister have ordered the IDF to begin a ground operation in order to damage the underground tunnel terrors constructed in Gaza leading into Israeli territory,” the statement from the prime minister’s office read.

    Terrorism became “terror”, and now terrorists are “terrors”. Is their greed and hatred making Zio-supremacists more stupid?

    >> “We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist,” Naftali Bennett, the economy minister, said earlier today, Reuters reported.

    “Whoa, saying that just gave me an Iron Hard On!” Bennett ejaculated.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 17, 2014, 5:41 pm

      Yes, there’s something sick about the macho, quasi-sexual names they give to ‘military operations’ which are basically massacres of children playing football, disabled women in rehab centres, and elderly patients in comas. Does this make them feel like heroes? Does this convince the dumb Israeli public that their pimply, gum chewing conscripts are real soldiers?

      In a brainwashed society, anything is possible.

    • Ron Edwards
      Ron Edwards on July 17, 2014, 10:46 pm

      Is no one recalling the heritage of the name?

      The cover or media name for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was Operation Peace for Galilee. The in-house names for its two phases, long in planning despite the fig leaf of the claimed casus belli, were Little Pines (taking the southern coast and the south to the Litani, much like the 1978 invasion) and Big Pines, striking at Beirut.

      Big Pines was implemented by Ariel Sharon rather to the rest of the Israeli government’s surprise, and the ensuing siege of Beirut was named Operation Iron Fist.

      • chinese box
        chinese box on July 18, 2014, 8:19 am

        Thanks Ron…interesting. Also there was “Grapes of Wrath” from 1996…American literary/hymn reference made to appeal to Americans?

  3. seafoid
    seafoid on July 17, 2014, 5:12 pm

    “Iron fist” is pure Blut und Eisen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Iron_(speech)

    Israel is Prussia with a kippa .
    Remind me what happened to Prussia again.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 17, 2014, 5:16 pm

      In fairness, the Prussians were clever folks and pretty good fighters.

      The Israelis? Not so much.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 7:02 pm

        They seem to have weak eyes, poor aim, and constantly lying to cover up their crimes.

    • lysias
      lysias on July 17, 2014, 5:17 pm

      The organization Eiserne Faust had an important role in the early history of the Nazi Party:

      Die Organisation Eiserne Faust bestand zwischen 1919 und 1934. Sie wurde in München gegründet und war eine informelle Vereinigung völkisch-nationalistischer Reichswehroffiziere.

      Ernst Röhm vermittelte Adolf Hitler darin Kontakte zu den höheren Kreisen der Reichswehr.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 17, 2014, 5:46 pm

        Bennett would have been at home in the SS.

      • lysias
        lysias on July 17, 2014, 5:50 pm

        If Röhm played a role in Eiserne Faust and the organization, based in Munich, ceased its existence in 1934, I suspect it was more closely associated with the SA than with the SS.

      • NCINA
        NCINA on July 17, 2014, 6:46 pm

        Obviously speaking from experience. But Naftali Bennett like Netanyahu was in Sayaret Matkal.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 3:40 am

        Obviously speaking from experience.

        Yes Bennet does have the experience, having boated he’d killed many Arabs.

        But Naftali Bennett like Netanyahu was in Sayaret Matkal.

        A well known terrorist group.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 7:41 pm

        Yes, I can see him in that SS uniform, for that matter many of the Israeli leadership would look fitting in those uniforms.

      • Sumud
        Sumud on July 17, 2014, 10:53 pm

        On Israeli TV Bennett said Hamas were “self-genociding”.

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 17, 2014, 10:11 pm

        Thanks lysias. I just tried to look that up. Israel is sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss, as we watch.

      • ziusudra
        ziusudra on July 18, 2014, 8:51 am

        Greetings Lysias,
        This Translation should help other Readers:
        The Organization Iron Fist lasted from 1919 to 1934. It was founded in Munich and was an informal Union of different ethnicities of Nazi 3rd Empire Officers.
        Ernst Röhm communicated with A. Hitler of their contacts to the higher circles of the Military power of the 3rd Empire.
        Much Dank , Lysias
        ziusudra
        PS I’m still waiting for seafoid’s translation of BOT.

  4. jon s
    jon s on July 17, 2014, 5:20 pm

    Just saw the Hamas spokesman, speaking from in front of Shifa hospital.
    It looks like once again the terrorists have placed their hq in the hospital, using it as a shield.

    • James North
      James North on July 17, 2014, 5:39 pm

      jon s: How do you know there was a “hq” at the hospital? Did you go there?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 17, 2014, 5:43 pm

        Given how often Israel has bombed hospitals in this particular ‘war’ alone, why would anyone be daft enough to use a hospital as a shield? Perhaps Jon has been asleep for the past week – indeed the past half century – but Israel has no compunctions whatsoever about bombing hospitals.

        But hey, they give ‘warning’ to people in comas to evacuate. That’s so good of them.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 5:46 pm

        Maybe he was watching from a stolen hilltop, with popcorn, and cheering the sight of civilians being slaughtered.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 17, 2014, 6:11 pm

        https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/15101825264

        “As a Jew, Israel’s like a close family member who’s hooked on heroin and you just don’t know what to do with them any more.”-

      • NCINA
        NCINA on July 17, 2014, 6:41 pm

        I’d love to be sent to an open air prison like Aza. Five star hotels, malls, terrorist to fire missiles into Israel. You “people” make me laugh!

      • Kris
        Kris on July 17, 2014, 8:16 pm

        @seafoid: “As a Jew, Israel’s like a close family member who’s hooked on heroin and you just don’t know what to do with them any more.”

        I think Israel is more like a close family member who’s hooked on meth, considering that meth often causes psychosis and brain damage. Just saying.

        “In low doses, methamphetamine can cause an elevated mood and increase alertness, concentration, and energy in fatigued individuals. At higher doses, it can induce psychosis, rhabdomyolysis and cerebral hemorrhage. Methamphetamine is known to have a high potential for abuse and addiction. Recreational use of methamphetamine may result in psychosis or lead to post-withdrawal syndrome, a withdrawal syndrome that can persist for months beyond the typical withdrawal period.[i] Unlike amphetamine, methamphetamine is neurotoxic to humans, damaging both dopamine and serotonin neurons in the CNS.[i] Contrary to the long-term use of amphetamine,[iii] there is evidence that methamphetamine causes brain damage from long-term use in humans;[ii] this damage includes adverse changes in brain structure and function, such as reductions in gray matter volume in several brain regions and adverse changes in markers of metabolic integrity.[ii]” (from wikipedia)

        “…heroin in non-medical settings, is used as a recreational drug for the transcendent relaxation and intense euphoria it induces. Anthropologist Michael Agar once described heroin as “the perfect whatever drug.”[19] Tolerance develops quickly, and increased doses are needed in order to achieve the same effects. Its popularity with recreational drug users, compared to morphine, reportedly stems from its perceived different effects.[20] In particular, users report an intense rush, an acute transcendent state of euphoria…” (from wikipedia)

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye on July 17, 2014, 8:25 pm

        @NCINA
        Oh, right, and as a mother, an atheist, and a “damn proud right wing zionist” you’re paralytic on the kool-aid, full blown ziocaine psychosis, because we’re only sorta “people”, vastly lesser beings than your zionist self, yeah? Two legged animals, as per the rabbis you claim not to believe?
        Crank. Thieving racist.
        That mall turned out to be in Malaysia you booby.
        And what’s a five-star hotel worth to a non-existent tourist industry?

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 17, 2014, 9:00 pm

        @NCINA- Ah Zionist humor. Well executed, madam.

        So do you go to childrens’ funerals and laugh at the dead, or do you just teach your kids how to do it, sit back, and live in a state of constant vicarious hilarity?

      • Djinn
        Djinn on July 17, 2014, 10:44 pm

        NCINA says:
        July 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm

        I’d love to be sent to an open air prison like Aza. Five star hotels, malls, terrorist to fire missiles into Israel. You “people” make me laugh!

        No you wouldn’t you supremacist banshee. Yes they have shops, but that doesn’t mean there’s much available to buy in them thanks to Israel’s illegal siege, what is there is unaffordable to many thanks to the devastation of the Gazan economy. Nothing bought there will bring your children back to life when they are killed by one of Israel’s “knock on the doors”.

        As to the hotels, well having stayed in most of them I can tell you that no Gaza Hotel is five stars, it is not possible to get five stars with intermittent electricity and brackish water that is not safe to even brush your teeth with. No five star hotel requires you to bin not flush your TP because Israel bombed out the water treatment plant.

        People like you make me sick.

      • Talkback
        Talkback on July 18, 2014, 10:16 am

        “As a Jew, Israel’s like a close family member who’s hooked on heroin and you just don’t know what to do with them any more.”

        Well, just quit being a codependent enabler.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 17, 2014, 8:37 pm

        And what’s a five-star hotel worth to a non-existent tourist industry?

        You gotta love the psychotic hypocrisy and contradictions here.

        First the Israelis claim that they cannot allow the Gazans to have cement because Hamas will build bunkers and shelters.

        Then they criticize Hamas for not building shelters to protect their civilians.

        Then they criticize Gaza for not using building materials to build shelters, but built a hotel instead.

        I mean seriously, is Ziocaine that hallucinogenic?

      • eljay
        eljay on July 17, 2014, 9:41 pm

        >> NCINA: I’d love to be sent to an open air prison like Aza. Five star hotels, malls, terrorist to fire missiles into Israel.

        Careful what you wish for.

        >> You “people” make me laugh!

        You Zio-supremacist “people” don’t make me laugh. The shit you’ve been doing to your fellow human beings for over 60 years is a f*cking disgrace to humanity.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 8:15 am

        For the Palestinians, it is damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

        The zionists deliberately keep them in a life of suffering and limbo, and hatred makes them ridicule them for not “progressing”. Thanks to our tax dollars the scum have shelters and sirens to protect them.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:46 pm

        The zionists deliberately keep them in a life of suffering and limbo, and hatred makes them ridicule them for not “progressing”.

        And when the Palestinians manage to defy those limitations through ingenuity, the Zionists then turn around and say, see, it can’t be that bad if they have those luxuries.

      • jenin
        jenin on July 18, 2014, 8:29 am

        These people, like Ncina, will say hateful things about Palestinians no matter what they do, and defend Israel no matter what it does.

      • lyn117
        lyn117 on July 18, 2014, 10:50 am

        If NCINA wants to go to Gaza, perhaps we should take up a collection and send him?

      • jon s
        jon s on July 19, 2014, 6:46 am

        According to several reports that I’ve seen , in the present fighting -as in the previous round – Hamas operational hq is in the basement of Shifa hospital. Cynical exploitation of the hospital’s immunity.

        It’s like you don’t see what you’re looking at. The Hamas man is standing in the open, talking to the press, without any fear that he’ll be granted his wish to become a martyr – because he’s at a hospital.

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 9:04 am

        According to several reports that I’ve seen

        so link to them why don’t you.

        The Hamas man is standing in the open, talking to the press, without any fear that he’ll be granted his wish to become a martyr

        ah, the ol death cult propaganda. you don’t think hamas wants to live? in gaza, hamas people stand in the open all the time. this is not the WB. this is where the press junket was set up, therefore it is perfectly logicl a hamas spokesperson would be there. what’s next, you plan on questioning why he shows his face to the world.

      • jon s
        jon s on July 19, 2014, 10:39 am

        From Wikipedia:

        Hamas bunker[edit]
        Several reports by Shin Bet officials (Yuval Diskin, Yitzhak Ilan) stated that Hamas used Al-Shifa hospital as bunker and refuge, knowing it’ll be spared by air-strikes. Ahmed Jabari hid there during the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict.[8][10]

      • James North
        James North on July 19, 2014, 12:00 pm

        jon s: First, the entry may well have been placed by Hasbara Central’s Wikipedia Division. Second, quoting Shin Bet as impartial proof is laughable.

        Third, and most important, you seem like an intelligent person, so I don’t understand how you can fail to see that Netanyahu provoked the confrontation with Hamas in Gaza. Among others, Larry Derfner, who is like you, also in Israel, said this most clearly. Are you such a sucker that you believe anything your government tells you?

    • tree
      tree on July 17, 2014, 6:42 pm

      OK, jon. Then does Netanyahu speaking at Yad Vashem mean that the IDF has put its military headquarters there? Cuz that’s the equivalent of your cracked logic.

      • jon s
        jon s on July 18, 2014, 9:58 am

        Well , the IDF command post is not , in fact, located in Yad Vashem, while the Hamas terrorists are making use of hospitals, schools and civilian residences as launch sites, weapons depots and command posts.

      • jon s
        jon s on July 18, 2014, 10:23 am

        Nearly forgot: mosques, too.

      • tree
        tree on July 18, 2014, 5:39 pm

        And the Hamas command post is not, in fact, located in El-Shifa Hospital, and yet you have insisted that the fact that a Hamas representative spoke outside the hospital proved that the hospital was a command post. If your level of proof for the existence of a command post in the hospital is the fact that an official speaks directly outside the hospital then by YOUR OWN LOGIC applied to the Israeli government would mean that Yad Vashem is an IDF command post and thus a “legitimate target” in your mind. Except of course that you believe in the “two-rule” solution. One vet harsh rule for Palestinians and another, much more lenient one for Israel.

        Other than that you are simply parroting the hasbara of Israeli government sources used to excuse their targeting of civilian infrastructure.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:43 pm

        Other than that you are simply parroting the hasbara of Israeli government sources used to excuse their targeting of civilian infrastructure.

        Yes, since Israel attacked Gaza and rockets started Jon S sounds like the Lenni character from Of Mice and Men.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:04 pm

        while the Hamas terrorists are making use of hospitals, schools and civilian residences as launch sites, weapons depots and command posts.

        While we wait for you to provide one shred of evidence that Hamas are making use of hospitals, schools and civilian residences as launch sites, weapons depots and command posts.

        You sound like you’re having a mental breakdown Jon. I am picturing you sitting in a foetal position rocking back and forth with a blank stare mumbling this came crap to yourself over and over again.

        Nearly forgot: mosques, too.

        You also forgot the evidence for that too.

    • NCINA
      NCINA on July 17, 2014, 6:43 pm

      You certainly haven’t. I’d wager most of the commentators here have never set a foot in Israel, can’t speak any of the languages and really don’t give a damn about the so-called “Palestinians” being treated like crap in Arab countries. You certainly don’t show the same *fake* indignant outrage for the “Palestinians” in Syria. That have been killed and displaced by Arab.

      Guess its the racism of low expectations!

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 5:37 am

        I’d wager most of the commentators here have never set a foot in Israel, can’t speak any of the languages and really don’t give a damn about the so-called “Palestinians” being treated like crap in Arab countries.

        I’ll wager you don’t give about Jews seeing as you clearly gave no problem with the Haganah blowing up 180 if the in Haifa Harbor.

        I’ll wager you don’t speak Germam and haven’t been to Auschwitz.

        You certainly don’t show the same *fake* indignant outrage for the “Palestinians” in Syria. That have been killed and displaced by Arab.

        I have not see a complaint from you about pedophelia, human organ harvesting by Israel, the massacres in Africa or even the slave movement.

        One can only conclude from your absence if comment in these positions that you support and spice of them.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:54 am

        Good response shingo, looks like Ron Dermers fervent plea for hasbara reinforcements, because “Hamas is winning the PR battle” has been answered by the brainwashed and trained minions. They must think we are important here, because some of them are here spewing their crap, and getting good responses, like yours.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 8:01 am

        “Hamas is winning the PR battle” has been answered by the brainwashed and trained minions.

        And all they are doing is shooting themselves in the foot with their sadism and paranoia. This reporter, Diana Magnay, commented on macabre is was to witness Israelis cheering missile strikes by Israel on Gaza and the crowd turned on her.

        Crowd Cheers as Missile Hits Gaza, Then Threatens CNN Reporter
        http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/israeli-crowd-cheers-as-missile-hits-gaza-live-on-cnn

        http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-07/17/18/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-31646-1405634778-17.png

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 8:59 am

        Thanks for linking the reaction to the bombing of civilians, and the ensuing threat to the CNN reporter, for saying the “wrong” word.
        They have become a nation of violent people, haven’t they? It is now in their psyche, to threaten violent, resort to violence, and stifle any criticism of them. If we are put off by such viciousness, imagine how much the poor Palestinians must suffer by their hatred and criminal acts against them.

    • annie
      annie on July 17, 2014, 6:52 pm

      hey jon, i thought you might like this, soldiers partying on the border of gaza preparing for a land invasion.

      • just
        just on July 17, 2014, 6:59 pm

        psycho killers.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 7:05 pm

        Well, we know they are sadists by nature. So we should not be surprised.
        They anticipate killing off those Palestinians, less Palestinians more land to take.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on July 17, 2014, 7:21 pm

        You ever see the movie “platoon”.

        Do you think it’s boring to sit around and wait. Do you think if someone comes by with some music and you get a chance to dance instead, that you would take the opportunity to break the boredom with dancing? That makes you a psycho killer? No, not really.

        You believe your own gas fumes. Go preach to the choir, so that you can avoid talking to the trojan horse.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on July 17, 2014, 10:36 pm

        @robbins, what do you bloody well expect? Should they be handing out lollies and shouting Allah Akbar.These soldiers are bonding in preparation for a dangerous ground assault against a insidious enemy. Baruch Hashem to these soldiers! May they celebrate again when they put paid to the Hamas terrorists who want to destroy them. It is them or us!

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 3:35 am

        These soldiers are bonding in preparation for a dangerous ground assault against a insidious enemy.

        You hear that Annie. These murderers about to go to slaughter more women and children, which Mayhem labels an insidious enemy.

        Baruch Hashem to these soldiers!

        May they emulate Baruch Goldstein right Mayhem?

        May they celebrate again when they put paid to the Hamas terrorists who want to destroy them. It is them or us!

        But they won’t because they can’t. They’ll kill more women and children, cla that they were trying to get the terrorist but the human shields for in the way, and be back again in 2 – 4 years to mow the lawn all again.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 6:58 am

        So they need to bond, before they start facing the most terrifying opponent in the world, unarmed, men, women, and children, the MAJORITY the tough IDF has slaughtered so far.
        They need to get all psyched up before they face them in their thundering tanks, fully equipped, and armed with latest weapons.
        The world is not as stupid as you think, now it can clearly see exactly who the terrorists are, they wear the uniform of their country, the only difference, and the way they are killing civilians, shows exactly how insidious they are.
        You can try to justify their brutality, but we do not drink the koolaid here.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 18, 2014, 7:10 am

        “It is them or us!”

        Zionism in a nutshell. It’s them or us and it’s you for 60 years and for who knows much longer but then comes the day when you lose and that’s it.
        And that’s really stupid.

      • jon s
        jon s on July 18, 2014, 7:45 am

        We are hoping and praying for the safety of our soldiers, in battle with a vicious enemy and for the innocent civilians on both sides.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:06 pm

        We are hoping and praying for the safety of our soldiers, in battle with a vicious enemy and for the innocent civilians on both sides.

        If you were at all concerned for their safety, you wouldn’t be sending them into harms way to carry out a meaningless task with no purpose.

        As the vicious party is Israel, the ones killing all the civilians.

    • talknic
      talknic on July 17, 2014, 7:24 pm

      jon s “Just saw…”

      By the record your word isn’t viable pal. Supply some verification or STFU

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 17, 2014, 7:47 pm

      Christ Jon, your descent into varying states of insanity and dementia has been macabre to watch. Maybe you’re suffering from firecracker shock.

      I guess that when the head of the IDF gives and interview with Tel Aviv or Jerusalem in the background, that proves that both cities are legitimately military targets and that the IDF uses all the residents of these cities as human shields .

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 17, 2014, 8:17 pm

        “Christ Jon, your descent into varying states of insanity and dementia has been macabre to watch.”

        A Ziocaine Syndrome episode is not a pleasant thing to see. It can’t help but arouse sympathy in the observer.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on July 18, 2014, 1:31 am

        @shingo, totally absurd comment. Are the IDF soldiers hiding in schools, hospitals and homes like the Hamas perfidists?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:55 am

        totally absurd comment. Are the IDF soldiers hiding in schools, hospitals and homes like the Hamas perfidists?

        Yes they are.

        1. The IDF have appealed a ban on the use of human shields by the Supreme Court.
        2. IDF soldiers go to schools to pick up their children no doubt, which makes the schools a human shield.
        3. IDF soldiers are treated in hospitals for injuries, , which makes the hospitals a human shield.
        4. There is ZERO evidence Hamas has done so.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:27 pm

        For example:

        http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

        That’s not an example. The school is empty and abandoned. Thus no civilians are endangered, which debunks your entire thesis.

        Pitty you hasbratas don’t bother reading beyond the headline.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 19, 2014, 3:43 am

        @ jon s “For example: http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

        Thanks for that information jon s

        17 July 2014 …. This incident, which is the first of its kind in Gaza ……

      • jon s
        jon s on July 19, 2014, 5:25 am

        Shingo,
        Do I detect a note of concern for my personal welfare?
        I’m touched, really.
        In any case, my wife and I are flying to the U.S. tomorrow for a pre-planned vacation. Maybe my insanity and dementia will be cured.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 7:50 pm

      @jon
      and any evidence that Hamas is hiding missiles in mosques, schools and rehab centers will simply be brushed under the rug as it interferes with these true believers meme of Jews as Nazis. It so perfectly twisted that they have fallen in love with the idea of turning the victim into its killer. Its too sweet for them to ever examine more closely then the surface-which is mostly how far their thinking on this conflict goes. Nothing long term except the blind hope that everything they have staked their belief system in about Zionism being the sole source of evil in this conflict will come true with the destruction of the ‘Evil Zionist Entity’ which keeps baffling them by thriving and not self-destructing under their scornful eyes. The shame of it.

      • Kris
        Kris on July 17, 2014, 11:19 pm

        @jDaBakr: Why should anyone care where Hamas is hiding missiles? It doesn’t matter, since Israel is just “cutting the grass,” killing as many Palestinians as they can get away with this time around. As they have done repeatedly in the past. Missiles are just a pretext for this latest round of killing, and we all know it.

        If only the Palestinians had a huge arsenal of the latests weapons, like the ones we give Israel for free, along with brand new jet planes and lethal drones. How is it right for only one side to have real weapons?

        Watching Israel attack Gaze is like watching a reality show of a brutal home invasion, where the criminals are massacring the defenseless family whose home they are stealing. But wait–the family should call the police? No, because the criminal syndicate killing the family controls the police and the courts.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 18, 2014, 4:13 am

        @ DaBakr “any evidence that Hamas is hiding missiles in mosques, schools and rehab centers will simply be brushed under the rug “

        Why not put up some of this evidence … mmmmm? … or STFU because your reputation rests on a soggy bed of BS already pal.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 5:39 am

        and any evidence that Hamas is hiding missiles in mosques, schools and rehab centers will simply be brushed under the rug

        You and your fellow trolls don ‘to understand the definition of evidence. A statement by after Dermer, Bibbi or Regev is not evidence.

        so perfectly twisted that they have fallen in love with the idea of turning the victim into its killer.

        Don ‘to worry. When it comes to turning the victim into its killer and back again, you and your cultists are in a league if your own.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976 on July 18, 2014, 7:04 am

        If the basic principle is that damage to non-combatants should be limited then it is necessary to maintain some idea a) of abstaining from attacks on normally non-military targets b) of keeping things in proportion. If one side cannot inflict damage anything like in proportion to what it suffers without attacking enemy bases ‘disguised’ as hospitals and schools then it may perhaps take that terrible step as a ‘desperate measure’, though even then there must surely be severe restrictions if the basic principle is not to be abandoned altogether. Those restrictions should surely include leaving a large supply of medical facilities etc. intact, even if some are targeted and not acting (as Shingo rightly says) on mere suspicion – which would justify almost anything, ie destroy the basic principle.
        But this whole discussion hardly gets off the ground if the damage you are inflicting is already way greater and out of proportion to what the other side does or can do: the case for any sort of desperate or even abnormal measure is then at its weakest.
        To say that the principle of keeping hospitals etc. out of combat may be set aside in certain circumstances, these circumstances applying least when you are already inflicting destruction over the odds, is also to say that there is more reason to set the principle aside when you are able to inflict destruction far less than the other side is. If anything justifies desperate measures than desperate situations do.
        ‘Stay put’ orders to the civil population were issued, in a very restricted way, by the UK Government in 1940 when faced with invasion. There was a lot of moral ambiguity about that, but then the situation did appear to be desperate.

    • Djinn
      Djinn on July 17, 2014, 10:50 pm

      Pony up a link – you long ago lost any credibility as a truthful observer.

      I have no idea what interview you saw but you certainly did not see Hamas’ HQ in Al Shifa. That is a flat out lie.

    • Qualtrough
      Qualtrough on July 17, 2014, 11:27 pm

      Your theory makes no sense for several reasons:
      1. If you were using a hospital as an HQ, presumably because no one would think you would hide there, why in the world would you stand in front of said hospital and make it obvious?

      2. The Israelis have exhibited no compunction whatsoever over attacking and destroying any location they suspect harbors ‘terrorists’, nor have the caviled at killing civilians that they claim were being used as human shields. Given that is the case, what possible value is there for Hamas to hide behind civilians or in civilian locations?

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on July 18, 2014, 2:10 am

        @qualtrough, your remarks are pure nonsense. Given the nature of the international community to hypocritically harp about every single thing that Israel does, you see Israel taking every conceivable step to prevent the killing of innocent civilians. Israel doesn’t need to give the pro-Palestinian media any help.

      • annie
        annie on July 18, 2014, 2:39 am

        you see Israel taking every conceivable step to prevent the killing of innocent civilians

        no we don’t, that’s ridiculous.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 3:10 am

        you see Israel taking every conceivable step to prevent the killing of innocent civilians

        Yes we saw a fine example of that with the beach massacre.

        I also look forward to your explanationas to why the Pro Palestinian media pulled the only reporter from Gaza that wasn’t giving the Israeli MFA approved spin to his reporting.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 18, 2014, 4:24 am

        Mayhem “Given the nature of the international community to hypocritically harp about every single thing that Israel does”

        Whinging and whining from a Ziocaine addict is so cute…

        Israel is deservedly criticized for its illegal activities in territories the Israeli Govt claimed were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine” If it had adhered to the law in the first place …

        Take your pathetic moaning to the State of Israel, its successive Govts are responsible for its vile illegal actions and 66 years of well documented and verifiable lies to the people of Israel and the rest of the world.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 19, 2014, 4:04 am

        @ Mayhem ” you see Israel taking every conceivable step to prevent the killing of innocent civilians”

        BULLSH*T pal! One conceivable step would be if they allowed civilians out of the war zone as required by law , there’d be a chance of civilians escaping the violence of war as is their legal right!

        Geneva Convention IV … Section II.. Occupied territories.. Art49 …The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

        Instead “Israel, the Occupying Power” has all the borders closed including, under the 2005 agreement and the Egypt Israel Peace Treaty, those between Egypt and Gaza.

        Another conceivable step would be to get out of ALL non-Israeli territories for once. Never been tried!

        Stop illegal settlements in all Palestinian territory. End the stupid land grabbing occupation. Take all its illegal settlers and go live in Israel, after all that’s what it’s for. Not that Israel can afford to now start adhering to the law, it’d be sent bankrupt.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 19, 2014, 4:26 am

        Another conceivable step would be to get out of ALL non-Israeli territories for once. Never been tried!

        Another would be to adhere to ceasefires and stop conning with lame excuses to violate them.

    • annie
      annie on July 18, 2014, 2:56 am

      Just saw the Hamas spokesman, speaking from in front of Shifa hospital.

      jon, watching mayadeen tv it appears this is where the station is set up doing interviews and the station field reporters are there 24/7. there’s no logical reason why a hamas spokesperson should not be interviewed there. it doesn’t indicate the hospital is their ‘headquarters’. and hamas has more than one spokesperson. maybe it’s not so easy for these stations to maneuver around the strip.

  5. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail on July 17, 2014, 5:26 pm

    Meanwhile, “In an unprecedented criticism of the Israeli siege of Gaza, a senior official in the Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) humanitarian charity has described his organisation’s work among the 1.8 million besieged Palestinian refugees as akin to being “in an open-air prison to patch up prisoners in between their torture sessions”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/israelgaza-conflict-medical-charity-likens-work-to-patching-up-torture-victims-in-an-openair-prison-9613296.html

    • NCINA
      NCINA on July 17, 2014, 6:38 pm

      Its legal – get over it. No weapons smuggling no Turks seeking to break the blockade it ends. Its hardly rocket science for you to process.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail on July 18, 2014, 5:35 am

        Who knows what your incoherent rambling is on about. But the legality or otherwise has nothing to do with the situation MSF is describing.

  6. Sumud
    Sumud on July 17, 2014, 5:34 pm

    Iron fist my arse (no that’s not an invitation).

    Just imagine now those scaredy-cat big bullies in the IDF who’ve spent their time pushing people around in the OPTs. They had to delay for 10 days for the giant order of IDF diapers to be fulfilled.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 5:55 pm

      Well, when some men feel inadequate they have to use tough language like “Iron Fist”, just to show how tough they are.

  7. kalithea
    kalithea on July 17, 2014, 5:39 pm

    Sderot’s Jewish settlers have set up lawn chairs on hilltops to revel like Romans while Palestinian men, women and children are butchered by Zionist military forces and CNN has the gall to report from this vantage point with this sadistic voyeurism happening in the background!

    This slaughter is being executed on behalf of all Jews. When will Jews reject this barbaric legacy with one voice?

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 5:48 pm

      I saw that too, and presume the hasbarists who come here with delusional comments maybe perched up there too, enjoying the fireworks.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 7:56 pm

      just as Palestinians in Jerusalem set up armchairs on their roofs and hooted and hollered every time a missile trail could be seen incoming over the valley. People aren’t very different n matter how much you try and paint Israelis as some kind of ‘special’ creature. what makes a Jew cheering the outgoing any different then the Arabs cheering the incoming? Is it that the incoming havn’t caused mass casualties? I am sure many here would be very pleased if that were actually the case.

      • Qualtrough
        Qualtrough on July 17, 2014, 11:38 pm

        @DaBakr

        Your message that Israelis are no better or worse than Palestinians is severely out of line with Israeli propaganda. Have you gone rogue?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 5:37 am

        just as Palestinians in Jerusalem set up armchairs on their roofs and hooted and hollered every time a missile trail could be seen incoming over the valley.

        I know how desperate you are to believe that were true, but you have zero evidence if such a situation, just like you do about human shields and bases being built under hospitals.

        The fascinating phenomena we are witnessing with all these talking points is how similar they are to the propaganda the Nazis employed. They too complained about the resistance crawling out if holes on the ground, disappearing into crowds, using churches and hospitals to hide in.

        Ironically, it’s historical record that Jewish terror groups that went in to be banes the IDF, his weapons in Synagogues too.

        People aren’t very different n matter how much you try and paint Israelis as some kind of ‘special’ creature.

        We’re certainly not doing that. There us nothing particularly special about you, but you might want to break that news to the leaders of Betar, Shas and Eli Weisell.

        It’s not the cheering by Israelis that us uniquely sadistic, it’s the contradiction with the claim that Israel is fighting for it’s survival and are under son deadly attack. One would think that if Israelis were fearing for their lives they would not be so casual in placing themselves at risk.

    • tokyobk
      tokyobk on July 17, 2014, 8:19 pm

      Never. Because an entire group will never speak as one, not Jews Muslims or Christians.

      If I have mistaken you for someone else I apologize but you also seem to never accept -any- Jewish voice against Israel’s activities as being a legitimate voice. The fact that you are waiting for all Jews to speak as one certainly says that your standard is unmeetable. But the individual and group voices in the Jewish community will continue to change, especially among the younger. Watch.

      This refusal to be accepted as representative is something Muslims who don’t fit particular stereotypes have also experienced.

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 17, 2014, 10:54 pm

        @ tokobk

        kalithea said:
        “This slaughter is being executed on behalf of all Jews. When will Jews reject this barbaric legacy with one voice?”

        You responded: “Never. Because an entire group will never speak as one, not Jews Muslims or Christians.”

        Your response is misguided, likely by intent IMO, judging from your past comments on MW. Please redirect it to all those in US Establishment and Israel who continually conflate whatever Israel does as in behalf the world’s Jewish people, and also continually assert the state of Israel is the state and home of all Jews everywhere.

      • kalithea
        kalithea on July 17, 2014, 11:18 pm

        I’m not going to lie; I cannot trust any Jewish person’s will to do everything in his/her power to bring down Zionism; therefore I cannot trust the authenticity of empathy demonstrated by same towards the suffering of Palestinians.

        Secondly, perhaps I expressed this poorly; I’m not expecting every single Jew to speak as one; I know that’s unrealistic; but I am for once expecting some significant outcry from the Jewish community given the horror being inflicted on Gaza after they’ve already suffered so much cyclical destruction and ongoing deprivation. Instead, what I’m witnessing is a handful of Jews here and there condeming this slaughter. What’s it going to take to hear resounding condemnation from Jews? This is unacceptable, especially since this is being done on behalf of the Jewish people! It’s immoral not to feel compelled to express total outrage against such brutality committed on behalf of oneself. If someone killed an innocent on my behalf; I would be horrified, reject that individual categorically and would run; not dilly-dally to ensure that person would be punished for such a crime. The condemnation against this barbaric assault on Gaza’s trapped population should be second-nature without hesitation and it should be forceful and come from the majority of Jews not just a few here and there!

      • annie
        annie on July 18, 2014, 2:08 am

        what I’m witnessing is a handful of Jews here and there condeming this slaughter.

        you need to get out more.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 18, 2014, 8:30 pm

        Probably she should, and so should I.

        But for those of us who don’t, there is a pretty standard pattern.

        We see a sudden spurt of news stories, documentaries, etc, about the Nazis. Then Israel does something appalling. Then people billed as leaders of Jewish organisations write letters to the papers and appear on TV defending Israel. Jews who criticise Israel almost never make it into the media.

        What are we supposed to think?

      • kalithea
        kalithea on July 18, 2014, 11:32 pm

        I’m not sure what you’re getting at. If you’re implying there are that many Jews protesting this; then that would certainly get significant media coverage and be sufficient pressure to stop support for Israel. But like I said the response by Jews to this renewed horror executed on their behalf is–unacceptable, and you’re haven’t convinced me otherwise. Maybe if you had statistics.

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 1:43 am

        maybe if i had statistics? you made the initial claim, you provide statistics.

        the response by Jews to this renewed horror executed on their behalf is–unacceptable

        your claim is unacceptable because it implies “jews” speak in one voice. they do not. here’s what’s unacceptable, congress voting en mass to support israel. there’s a statistic we can count on. whereas your claim is merely conjecture. and racist conjecture at that.

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 1:52 am

        implying there are that many Jews protesting this; then that would certainly get significant media coverage

        ha ha ha ha ha . so let me get this straight, you’re claiming if say an org of 100,000 jews protested it would get significant media? because jvp doesn’t get the kind of press AIPAC gets and anyone paying attention knows groups like JCRC do not release their numbers.

        Saying something over and over again doesn’t make it true. The Bay Area JCRC, and local offices of the ADL and the AJC, are not synonymous with the “Bay Area Jewish Community.” In fact, while the Jewish Community Relations Council claims to represent Bay Area Jews, they won’t release the number or names of groups they represent. That certainly makes one wonder if the number is embarrassingly small. And it’s likely shrinking. There is no shortage of Jews around here, from a wide political spectrum, who would be appalled to be associated with an attack on a Muslim group for using a word that Israeli officials use regularly.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/francisco-apartheid-backlash.html

        they have money,money means power. they are just as interested (if not MORE) silencing jewish voices as all other voices opposing their apartheid mandates. what i wonder is why you are following their lead and perpetuating a notion “jews” all speak in one voice, the very notion these pro israel jewish groups like to perpetuate?

        so show me the numbers. while i’d wager jews supporting israel are the majority in this country, but they’re not the whole kitten kaboodle, not by a long shot.

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 1:56 am

        Jews who criticise Israel almost never make it into the media.

        exactly RoHa, just like the rest of us criticizing israel. it almost lends to the idea that criticizing israel almost never makes it to the media no matter who is doing criticizing!

        in fact, where’s this story in our msm?: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli.html

        how many people would it take protesting israel for it to make it into press!

        and look at this: http://www.thenation.com/blog/180702/dwight-howard-and-freepalestine

        For those who wanted Howard to grovel for daring to even muse that Palestine should be free, he did not disappoint, tweeting, “previous tweet was a mistake. I have never commented on international politics and never will” and then, “I apologize if I offended anyone with my previous tweet, it was a mistake!” This was not enough for Zionist Organization of America chief Morton Klein who told TMZ(!) that Howard “ should be publicly condemned as strong as Donald Sterling was.”

        so this is the climate supporting palestine is surrounded by. massive blame and shame. the idea a famous person would be subject to the recrimination of the outlandishly flaming racist Donald Sterling merely for tweeting ‘free palestine”.

        What are we supposed to think?

        you’re supposed to think there’s a massive amount of resources invested in manipulating public opinion “jews” is synonymous with zionism and support for israel. you’re not supposed believe it’s true. and who speaks for ‘the jews’ in the media? Zionist Organization of America chief Morton Klein? or the author Dave Zirin?

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 2:07 am

        I’m not going to lie; I cannot trust any Jewish person….

        that is what i hear kalithea. and what reason pray tell should anyone trust you? a person perfectly willing to throw an entire (very active) segment of our progressive community under a bus, because they are jewish.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 19, 2014, 2:51 am

        “your claim is unacceptable because it implies “jews” speak in one voice.”

        But my point is that we only hear one voice, and that voice is pro-Israel. So those who don’t get out much are likely to think that Jews in general are Israel supporters.

        (Psst! It’s “kit and caboodle”.)

      • annie
        annie on July 19, 2014, 9:42 am

        first of all i wasn’t talking to you in that comment RoHa, i copy and pasted kalithea’s comment “the response by Jews to this renewed horror executed on their behalf is–unacceptable“.

        second, if you think we only hear one voice, and that voice is pro-Israel you’re not listening and wasting your time here day after day year after year and there’s clearly something wrong with your ability to process information.

      • Goyjim
        Goyjim on July 19, 2014, 3:21 pm

        I am for once expecting some significant outcry from the Jewish community given the horror being inflicted on Gaza after they’ve already suffered so much cyclical destruction and ongoing deprivation.

        It’s good in a way that you’re still outraged by the lack of an outcry, but I’d guess most of us stopped expecting to hear such a thing long ago. It won’t be a popular position here, but I generally agree with you; this site’s contributors would have you believe that there’s significant, vocal Jewish dissent that’s being silenced by the media, but even articles like the “To my fellow American Jews” piece on this site are rare enough to still be a novelty at this late date (and finding a dissenting voice that’s actually more concerned with the horrors being inflicted on Palestinians than the PR damage to Judaism or the Jewish community itself itself is even rarer). Rather than waiting for meaningful protest from the Jewish community, it’s up to non-Jews who oppose Zionism’s crimes to concentrate on making our own voices heard.

  8. Kay24
    Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 6:02 pm

    Ron Dermers begging must have worked Ayman is not there anymore Richard Engel is toeing the line and Barry McCaffrey, US expert seems to talk as if Israel is only fighting Hamas, with no mention of civilians and the obvious massacre that is yet to come. He even made a case for this lopsided war, saying Israel has no choice.
    Yeah, how about not killing civilians, and stopping the occupation?
    No one seems to suggest that.

    • Abierno
      Abierno on July 17, 2014, 6:39 pm

      And the obvious massacre is not only to come, it was prefigured in the 7.13.2014
      article in Haaretz: “Waiting for the Slaughterhouse.” T related – “We should all remain together, in one room. If a missile comes, we’ll all be killed so none of us is left alive, alone.”

      And Israel’s actions according to the brightest and best of the beltway do not constitute war crimes? No one in the world, least of which is the UN, will stand up for these people? Is Israel given a license to kill, maim and torture any human – child, disabled, female, elderly, infirm – within their reach? Do Abbas and Arab League requests for protection fall on deaf ears at the UN? Given the commentaries from mainstream US citizens on news sites, blogs and social media sites, I cannot but believe that there will be massive political blowback in the 2014 and 2016 election cycles against both Democrats and Republican politicos who are in full throated support of these actions.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 7:10 pm

        Our politicians, from both sides are complicit in these crimes.
        All the US has to do to stop the slaughter, is threaten Israel and stop ALL aid and weapons, which is worth doing to save the lives of innocent civilians, but no, our leaders, and even the stinking media, keeps stoking Israel’s ego, and giving it unwavering support. Laying the groundwork for the impending massacre, they keep assuring the world that Israel has the right to defend itself.
        Who we should be defending are the Palestinian people, who are vulnerable, no shelters, no where to run to, and blocked inside their concentration camp. I hate to think that our tax money ends up in the hands of the present day nazis.

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:08 pm

        @ Kay24
        We may not do what we did under Nixon in ’73 to save Israel when the time comes. There is no more cold war or USSR. Or not? US citizens are still paying for the Arab Embargo Nixon set off by supplying Israel with endless military supplies at the expense of our own troops around the world at the time. How’s that very advanced little missile detection unit of America doing in the Israeli desert? Are the US soldiers there getting combat pay? I see Congress is giving Israel more cash for Iron Yarmulke. That will sure help all those Detroit homeowners and renters who are getting their utility services turned off during Detroit’s bankruptcy. Odd how they are cutting off services to those folks, even where the bills owed were incurred by past owners and renters, eh? Time to make this a big issue in US electoral campaigns. Don’t just leave it to anti-Zionists and what’s left of real grass roots Libertarians. Time to end the PEP phenomena in America. It’s not just young American Jews who don’t buy the old cherished ideologies, but the young Gentile Americans too. US needs a makeover. And its drug expiration date is well past.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:07 am

        I have absolutely no hope things will change during my lifetime. No amount of grass roots effort can rid this country of zio influence and it’s control over our politicians and the media. If you notice the immediate reaction by the WH and congress, to Israel’s war crimes was unwavering support and justification, by saying it had the right to defend itself. Not a murmur about the real victims – the unarmed civilians who have been killed, and the little kids who are being blasted by US paid for weapons.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 7:12 pm

      Did you hear about Dermer’s twitter session? Apparently it did
      Not go as planned as too many critics “hijacked” it. You know, asking real questions as oppose to the soft balls he’s usual thrown.

      So how long do you think we will have to wait until the campaign’s “showcase” atrocity?

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:13 pm

        @ a blah chick
        Have you checked out the Twitter replies to the Netanyahu and IDF Twitter accounts? The whole world (except most Americans) knows what an a-hole Israel is. On an up-note, the local Tampa Bay TV news stations have mostly been treating Tariq’s homecoming sans hasbara.

    • crone
      crone on July 17, 2014, 8:21 pm

      Right, NBC told Ayman to leave immediately. I don’t know the background on Dermers? Did he actually complain about Ayman?

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:10 am

        Dermer did not publicly complain about Ayman, he simply begged for American Jews to come to the aid of the motherland, not the US of course, but he said Hamas was winning the PR war, and wanted them to do hasbara for Israel. The result was Ayman was jerked out, and the truth of what Israel is doing is being gradually stifled. Hamas did nothing to win the PR battle, it was Israel’s own brutality that is turning the world against it.

  9. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich on July 17, 2014, 6:25 pm

    How do you get away with killing over 230 men, women and children?

    Blame the other guy and be sure to bring out your [WWII] dead.

    The Israeli publication Haaretz said Dermer got “what he asked for” by holding the Q&A. Dermer took it all in stride, even engaging with some of the critics:

    [email protected] Israel cares more about Pal civilians in Gaza than Hamas. We try to get them out of harms way. They put them in harm’s way
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    [email protected] Actually, if you turn your hospital into a command post & missile launching site you do. But Israel hasn’t.
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    [email protected] Genocide? Attempt to exterminate another people? Are you serious?
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    [email protected] Genocide=Holocaust. 6 million Jews murdered. 10k murdered everyday in May 1944 in Auschwitz.
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    [email protected] You think America would use less force than what Israel is using? Seriously?
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    [email protected] When Jews come 2 Israel, they’re coming home. Hope 1 day, Palestinian refugees will have a home of their own next 2 Israel
    — Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) July 17, 2014

    LINK

  10. NCINA
    NCINA on July 17, 2014, 6:34 pm

    There are consequences for their actions. The Arabs will reap what they have sown. This echo chamber of Israel haters will not change a thing. My only wish is that Tzahal doesn’t stop with the tunnels but wipes each and every terrorist out.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:22 pm

      @NCINA
      Yes, slowly the consequences will come to Israel (and its 5th column) for its brutal military occupation, its long medieval siege, its endless theft of land via settlements. Kharma. Newton (in agonizing slow-mo).

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:18 am

      There are consequences for their actions.

      Correction: There are only consequences for the weak. Israel never face consequences of their actions. Though they will eventually reap what they have sewn.

      My only wish is that Tzahal doesn’t stop with the tunnels but wipes each and every terrorist out.

      Another genocidal maniac. And you wonder why you are compared to the Nazis.

    • Marnie
      Marnie on July 18, 2014, 10:27 am

      My wish is that your wish is not granted, not ever. By terrorist you mean palestinian because they’re the same right? Can you even distinguish right from wrong. Tzahal can go to hell.

    • Marnie
      Marnie on July 18, 2014, 11:22 am

      There are consequences for their actions. The israelis will reap what they have sown. This echo chamber of palestinian haters will not change a thing. My only wish is that Tzahal gets it’s collective ass kicked.

      Can’t you see you’re on the wrong side? Is it some sick fantasy of some of you to do a nazi number on a helpless population, because that’s what happened to your ancestors? I would wager anything, that your ancestors would hang their heads in shame over the last 60+ years. I pity you for what awaits your soul. I pity the palestinians for the souless monsters who are in their midst.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 10:22 pm

        An outstanding comment Marnie.

  11. xanadou
    xanadou on July 17, 2014, 6:35 pm

    The Warsaw Ghetto 1943 revisited. What next? Gas chambers?

    This is not about the tunnels. The Jews used Warsaw’s underground tunnels to smuggle in food, medicine and weapons.
    This is about stealing Palestinians’ oil reserves and land.

    Time to bring out and dust off the Nurenberg gallows.

    Dear god, and those pathetic armchair warriors had to stoop to using the name of a protoNazi organization, Iron Fist, (Eisern Faust) to puff up their cowardly image?

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:27 pm

      @ xanadou
      US Congress is busy giving Israel more cash for its Iron Yarmulke while Detroit is dying and ever more on food stamps across the country. Chaney just said we should cut the food stamps and give the money to our Military-Industrial Complex. He also said our copy-cat war of choice on Iraq was the right thing to do. Ship him off to Israel where he belongs because he has the same mentality. And put a doll of him next to Darth Vadar under your next Xmas tree. Put a Bibi doll under there too; he can be a voodoo doll.

  12. ivri
    ivri on July 17, 2014, 6:52 pm

    The point is that Hamas underestimated Israel – you cannot fire rockets into Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa and not expect a harsh response. If you cannot prevent your main cities being hit at will and repeatedly you have no real country or defence forces – you are just a paper tiger. Inaction would have made Hamas immensely popular among Palestinian and in no time the entire West-Bank would have been turned into a war zone. In contrast, if there will be steep price in Gaza, especially for the Hamas people, the reaction will be the opposite – people, watching those that Hamas led into chaos by feeding them with false promises, will be glad that they have been spared that by the PA`s moderation. In the end even the Gazans will then give up on Hamas and likewise radicals and the money and efforts there will be diverted into civil development rather than military goals and expenditures. That`s the story in a nutshell

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:35 pm

      @ ivri
      You mean like making license plates in the open air prison of Gaza?

      • ivri
        ivri on July 18, 2014, 4:07 am

        Let`s face it: Gaza became like that as a consequence of the very same intrinsic belligerent attitudes of Hamas – now it is indeed quarantined by both Israel and Egypt. However, had Hamas instead of its grandiose total-liberation vision of ENTIRE Palestine (including Israel proper), which they openly declared repeatedly, sought civil development for Gaza (remember the big cooperative park that Israel initiated right after it left Gaza and the open borders then) the situation there now would have been radically different.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:11 pm

        Let`s face it: Gaza became like that as a consequence of the very same intrinsic belligerent attitudes of Hamas – now it is indeed quarantined by both Israel and Egypt.

        No face this Ivri. Everything you have posted has been completely and uttely false. So much say, that you are not even trying to engage anyone here in debate. You’re just trolling with your drive by posts, then speeding off and getting drunk behind the bleachers like some sophomore.

        Israel is warehousing Palestinians in Gaza because that has been their plan all along. They are doing the same in the West Bank, Where Hamas has virtually no presence. THis is not the consequence of what Hamas is doing, it is the consequence of Israel wanting to create it’s ethnically pure utopia.

        It is Israel that wants the whole damn lot from the Mediterranean to the sea. Some wackos in Israel refuse to even recognize Jordan because they believe that too is Israel.

        However, had Hamas instead of its grandiose total-liberation vision of ENTIRE Palestine (including Israel proper), which they openly declared repeatedly, sought civil development for Gaza

        They have, but Israel never was going to allow them that freedom. As Dov Weisglass admitted, Sharon’s plan was to suspend the peace process in formaldehyde and put the Gazans on a diet. That means development was never going to be tolerated.

    • kalithea
      kalithea on July 17, 2014, 11:36 pm

      You really mean that’s a nutty story, don’t you?

      The PA are the reason Palestinians are still in bondage under Israel’s yoke; they’re Israel’s b#tch! Maybe you should get a one-way ticket to Gaza, spend a couple of years there and then come back and smugly preach inaction.

      Hey, was there inaction in the Warsaw ghetto???

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:12 am

      The point is that Hamas underestimated Israel

      How could that possibly be true after Cast Lead? No, they don’t underestimate a Israel. That would be impossible given the depths to which Israel is willing to sink.

      It makes no difference whether Hamas fire rockets into Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, because Israel has a policy of attacking Gaza every 2-4 years – they call it mowing the lawn .

      You see, this latest exchange was entirely Israel’s responsibility. Hamas had not fired any rockets since the 2012 ceasefire when Israel arbitrarily decided to bomb Gaza citing the excuse that Hamas had to be punished for the kidnapping of the 3 Jewish boys.

      Israel admits thus and admits that Hamas only fired rockets in response to this attack which killed Palestinians on Gaza.
      The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

      So you see Ivri, everything you believed to be true is a lie by Israel’s own admission.

      Israel didn’t inflict a harsh response it afflicted an act if blatant and wanton aggression.

      Inaction would have made Hamas immensely popular among Palestinian and in no time the entire West-Bank would have been turned into a war zone.

      But that is precisely what is happening. Hamas have benefited enormity from this politically. Palestinians in Gaza blame Israel and the Palestinians in the West Bank are rebelling against Abbas, who’s reputation lies in tatters over his silence and inaction.

      So it turns out that Israel has underestimated Hamas and their own stupidity.

      After the PA not only stood by, but assisted the Israelis in inflicting collective punishment even in Ramallah, the PA is in crisis. The hopes of shattering the unity agreement between Hamas and Farah has failed.

      Israel have shot themselves in the foot as they always do.

      And THAT is the truth in a nutshell.

  13. Marco
    Marco on July 17, 2014, 6:59 pm

    Notice that Israel timed this to coincide with the shooting down of the Malaysia flight in Ukraine.

    It’s not a coincidence.

  14. talknic
    talknic on July 17, 2014, 7:16 pm

    Iron fist & a rusty brain encased in ziopoop!

    The answer has been simple and quite obvious since 00:01 May 15th 1948.

    In fact it was law by 1933

    Get out of all non-Israeli territory, take all Israelis, pay rightful reparations! If it sends Israel bankrupt, tough!

  15. gracie fr
    gracie fr on July 17, 2014, 7:20 pm

    …We’ll be seeing more of this:
    During the attack, soldiers moved within the city across hundred-meter-long “over-ground-tunnels” carved out through a dense and contiguous urban fabric. Although several thousand soldiers and hundreds of Palestinian guerrilla fighters were maneuvering simultaneously in the city, they were saturated within its fabric to the degree that most would not have been visible from an aerial perspective at any given moment. Furthermore, soldiers did not often use the streets, roads, alleys, or courtyards that constitute the syntax of the city, as well as the external doors, internal stairwells, and windows that constitute the order of buildings, but rather moved horizontally through party walls, and vertically through holes blasted in ceilings and floors. This form of movement is part of a tactics that the military refers to in metaphors it borrows from the world of aggregate animal formation as “swarming” and “infestation.” Moving through domestic interiors this maneuver turns inside to outside and private domains to thoroughfares. Fighting took place within half-demolished living rooms, bedrooms and corridors of poorly built refugee homes, where the television may still be operating and a pot may still on the stove…….
    http://eipcp.net/transversal/0507/weizman/en

  16. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 7:27 pm

    One of the twitters from Gaza is saying that the Israelis are using some kind of gas.

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 17, 2014, 11:18 pm

      Since discredited.

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 17, 2014, 11:55 pm

        I saw an unsupported report on flechette use. Did you see anything on that, Ellen?

  17. talknic
    talknic on July 17, 2014, 7:27 pm

    “the Israeli government says is meant to destroy the network of tunnels Palestinian militants have built that lead into Israel”

    It’s quite possible many of these tunnels have actually been built by Israelis.

  18. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 7:39 pm

    So Hamas is condemned for not providing bomb shelters yet they’re bombing the underground tunnels. Isn’t that where you would put a bomb shelter?

    Also, reports on twitter of the Israelis using gas.

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 17, 2014, 11:16 pm

      Those reports of gas were based on suspicions due to some symptoms of patients, but have been since discredited as gas-type attacks onto the population.

  19. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 8:19 pm

    Yep, they’re definitely using some sort of gas.

  20. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye on July 17, 2014, 9:12 pm

    Just listened to LtBloodyCol Lerner interviewed again, this stood out (given as a reason for the invasion):
    “Distance the terrorists from our borders”.
    Given the warning orders for people to move out of the north of Gaza, and the same for those in the east, it seems clear that they are going to force the people into a much smaller area of the ghetto/enclave, and increase vastly the barren no-go buffer zone. Maybe a couple of miles? They don’t give a damn about the people, no-one could put it past them.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 9:27 pm

      Did you notice that these war criminals have started referring to Hamas as terrorists? They even say Hamas terrorists. I guess it is necessary to convince the world they are after terrorists, to justify the bloodshed.
      Of course, they always never fail to mention that they take grrrreat care to not harm civilians, so thoughtful.

      • NCINA
        NCINA on July 17, 2014, 9:39 pm

        Hamas is an designated terrorist organisation that commits war crimes.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:53 am

        Hamas is an designated terrorist organisation that commits war crimes.

        Israel is a designated terrorist state that commits far more and more severe war crimes. It is also in violation of the Geneva Conventions and countless UNSC Resolutions.

      • Walid
        Walid on July 18, 2014, 8:25 am

        “Hamas is an designated terrorist organization that commits war crimes.”

        So is ISIS, Shingo, but because it is now serving Western and Gulf interests as far as Syria, Iran and the Shia problems in general are concerned, it’s being left alone to do its thing. It’s currently reaping about $1 million each day from its sale of Syrian oil to Turkey and several times that amount from the oil it controls in Iraq and from the royalties its collecting from the Kurds for letting the oil run through the pipelines in its territory to Turkey. With this “arrangement”, the West and the Gulfies no longer have to spend on them to keep them going as they are now self sufficient; this may explain how easy it was for ISIS to walk into Mosul and inherit all the weapons abandoned by the fleeing Iraqi army. In March, when the Libyan rebels tried to sell oil, the US sent out a carrier after them and had the ship taken back to Libya. At the time, the US said that it would not allow terrorists to sell oil on the market but now with ISIS, it seems that the US has other rules for it.

        Haven’t heard of Hamas crucifying people, cutting off hands or heads, or shooting people for not being in mosques praying during prayer time.

        The US picks and choses who it goes after from the list of terrorists. The US until lately was dealing with Iranian rebels that had still been on the list.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:45 am

        Maybe designated by Israel, then followed dutifully by the US and the rest.
        Israel has had, and still has, some of their own ruthless terrorists, which they are still proud about. Let me see, Irgun, Hagganah, JDL (US has designated them so) and the
        infamous Baruch Goldstein, belonging to the Kach movement, who so viciously killed 29 Arabs when they were praying at the Cave of Patriachs. Has Hamas ever killed so many Jews as they were in their synagogues? I thought not.
        However practically I call the side that holds the big guns, and keeps over 1.5 million people in the world’s largest concentration camp, and periodically kills hundreds to thousands at a time, by fences, check points, and the time they want to test the weapons they manufacture, the Biggest terrorists.
        I think the majority of the world is slowing realizing that too. Hamas may be bad, but the IDF is WORSE. Numbers back the facts.

    • Pixel
      Pixel on July 18, 2014, 2:04 am

      .
      “They don’t give a damn about the people, no-one could put it past them.”

      They don’t consider them people.

    • Eva Smagacz
      Eva Smagacz on July 18, 2014, 6:16 am

      ‘Just listened to LtBloodyCol Lerner interviewed again, this stood out (given as a reason for the invasion):
      “Distance the terrorists from our borders”.”

      This is why Hamas advises people to stay put: once cleansed (moved) they may never be allowed back : the story of Zionism from day one.

      • Walid
        Walid on July 18, 2014, 6:48 am

        ““Distance the terrorists from our borders”.

        It’s being reported that this is the statement that the Israeli army has instructed all its officers to declare, to trick the resistance in not doing anything against the invading forces on the assumption they’ll dig up the ground at the border and pull back into Israel.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 6:51 am

        It’s being reported that this is the statement that the army has instructed all its officers to declare, to trick the resistance in not doing anything against the invading forces on the assumption they’ll dig up the ground at the border and pull back into Israel.

        So much for disarming Hamas.

      • Walid
        Walid on July 18, 2014, 7:03 am

        Shingo, this is all show business so far to appease Israelis clamoring for blood. Israel is now being torn at the seams after a week in the shelters. They didn’t have the stamina to take more of it so Netanyahu is giving them a little distraction inside Gaza’s borders.

        In Gaza, everyone being asked, young and old, they are all saying they don’t want Hamas to quit, even at a cost of more deaths and destruction.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 7:25 am

        Israel is now being torn at the seams after a week in the shelters

        Do tell Walid,

        What can you tell us about what is really going on in Israel. It’s impossible to take Jon S seriously as he sounds like Marie Antoinette having a bad hair day and most news reports from Israel only repeat the same spiel.

        I an curious as to how this is affecting Israel economically, socially, politically and psychologically.

      • Walid
        Walid on July 18, 2014, 7:56 am

        Do tell …

        Shingo, a couple of days back, seafood put up a good Haaretz article about how much the war was hurting Israel.http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/report-israel-conditions.html#comment-685971 Politically, there’s the ongoing rumble between Netanyahu and Lieberman with Netanyahu looking all ruffled up in his TV appearances. Palestinians are used to having all this misery regularly dumped on them but Israelis are not used to it or to spending whole weeks in a shelter, so they have to be falling apart. On the Palestinian side, I think there’s only Abbas and other friends of Israel that are actually rooting for Hamas to stop firing missiles into Israel.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 9:11 am

        Walid you are right, this is costing Israel a whole lot, and as you say, the Palestinians are used to this suffering and doing without. The Israelis do not have the stomach to be at the receiving end of long lasting attacks. Their economy is taking a big hit, and that drives them crazy.
        Bibi the butcher of TelAviv is trying to please the right wingers, who have been screaming for the blood of Arabs and using their fine weapons on them.

        Rocket attacks over the first eight days of Operation Protective Edge have cost Israeli industry some 345 million shekels ($101 million), more than 40% to plants in the south of the country, the Manufacturers Association reported Thursday.
        http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.605793
        (not in its entirety)

        NO OCCUPATION NO ROCKETS.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 18, 2014, 10:22 pm

        The Israelis do not have the stomach to be at the receiving end of long lasting attacks.

        The meltdown we’re witnessing from Jon S is evidence of that.

        Their economy is taking a big hit, and that drives them crazy.

        That and the fact that they cannot control the situation. Israelis are so used to having everything their own way and completely on their own terms. Now they are faced with a situation where they have to compromise. Bibbi has backed himself into a corner. He vowed to end this once and for all, just as the Israelis did in 2008 and 2012, and he has to explain to the Israeli public why he can’t achieve that.

  21. Pat Nguyen
    Pat Nguyen on July 17, 2014, 9:20 pm

    Where is the outrage against Khaled Meshaal? This is all his doing. ,

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 18, 2014, 2:25 am

      Where is the outrage against Khaled Meshaal? This is all his doing.

      No this is all Bibbi’s doing. He knew that the teens were dead but pretended tone searching for the bouts and used the crisis to inflict war crimes and collective
      punishment on the West Bank and the began bombing Gaza, as though that was supposed to secure the safe return of the boys.

      Netenyahu lied, hundreds have died.

    • Walid
      Walid on July 18, 2014, 6:57 am

      Outrage against Meshaal is due but it has nothing to do with the atrocities that Israel is committing. It has to do with him being a leader for over a decade and always living comfortably in Amman, then Damascus and in now in Doha while all the shit is falling on the Palestinians in Gaza. He should be in Gaza with the people. He and Abbas should go on a very long cruise and give someone else the chance of fixing things for the Palestinians.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:48 am

      Meshaal is responsible for much, but the side that aims it’s big guns into civilian structures is the party responsible for the deaths of so many civilians.
      Would Israel be okay if another party aimed their precision bombs into homes
      in Tel Aviv, because the IDF lurk there?
      International law says bombing civilian homes is a war crime.

    • Talkback
      Talkback on July 18, 2014, 10:33 am

      Where is the outrage against Khaled Meshaal? This is all his doing.

      Hasbarats are very simple minded, aren’t you?

  22. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 9:24 pm

    Now they’re saying it’s not poison gas but something else and that people are just freaking out. Can’t imagine why.

    • Walid
      Walid on July 18, 2014, 8:39 am

      ” Can’t imagine why.”

      Keep in mind that Israel has always used the Palestinians, especially those of Gaza as well as the Lebanese from south Lebanon as guinea pigs to test mostly all their new arms as well as those of the US. So whatever Palestinians are feeling there has to be something experimental about it.

  23. Kay24
    Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 9:38 pm

    John Kerry on behalf of the US, gives a weak word of caution to Israel, to be more careful about civilian casualties. How about threatening them that the US will cut aid, John, and no more playthings to shoot with?

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605880

  24. eljay
    eljay on July 17, 2014, 9:47 pm

    >> link to haaretz.com

    “We continue to urge all parties to do all they can to protect civilians,” [Jen Psaki] told reporters at the State Department’s daily briefing.

    You know what Israel could do to protect civilians? It could immediately halt its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder, and agree to:
    – withdraw to within its / Partition borders;
    – honour its obligations under international law;
    – accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
    – enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually beneficial peace.

  25. Kate
    Kate on July 17, 2014, 10:37 pm

    Anyone behaving like this in anticipation of battle has no idea what war is actually like. All they know in occupation. Israeli troops entering Gaza for a real fight will get quite a shock – like Israeli troops engaging Hezbollah a few years ago. They had their heads handed to them.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on July 17, 2014, 11:40 pm

      Israel has not won a real war since 1973–and Israel only won that because Nixon sent them endless military supplies of the best sort–at the expense of our own troops around the world at the time, and this also resulted in the Arab Oil Embargo which US citizens are still paying for, as usual totally unaware.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 7:49 am

        But they sure know how to beat their chests and brag about how tough they are. They make up for their lack of expertise with cunning and lies.

  26. a blah chick
    a blah chick on July 17, 2014, 10:49 pm

    Is there anything crazier than a Christian Zionist? Take it away Guilio Meotti: “Jewish soldiers shouldn’t be “merciful”, must not show “restraint” or follow “purity of arms”, but destroy the enemies who come to kill Jews. It is obscene that the Jews’ mortal enemies, including prisoners of war, should be treated with such care and populations should be spared even if this care causes greater Israeli casualties.”

  27. casaananda
    casaananda on July 17, 2014, 10:58 pm

    I reported from Gaza in 1975 and it was a places of warm people and horrid conditions. Nothing has changed. Fuck the Likud and its friends. They should all be facing the ICC.

  28. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia on July 17, 2014, 11:06 pm
  29. Bob_Salad
    Bob_Salad on July 17, 2014, 11:39 pm

    Why aren’t the pro-Israel groups out pounding the streets, waving placards and denouncing Hamas/Palestine? Evidently, many believe they occupy the moral high ground, so why do you think there’s been so little in the way of public protest/support from the pro-Israel collective?

    Could it be they’re secretly ashamed of what’s now unfolding and they daren’t externalize their support so vocally and openly?

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby on July 18, 2014, 3:11 am

      Bob_Salad

      Isnt it same for pro-palestinians, not that much criticism compared with other wars against palestinians to be honest.

  30. ritzl
    ritzl on July 17, 2014, 11:45 pm

    Don’t know if anyone’s seen this and I don’t know how durable it is but:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Green Party of the United States is calling for an immediate ceasefire in the current exchange of missiles between Israeli and Palestinian forces, negotiation for a just and peaceful resolution to the conflict, an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories and human rights violations, repeal of apartheid policies in Israel, and establishment of one democratic state for all in Israel-Palestine.

    “We are appalled that the Obama Administration endorsed Operation Protective Edge. The White House must lead the rest of the world in bringing international pressure for a ceasefire, aid for civilian populations in the line of fire, observance of international law, and a just peace in the region with an end to Israel’s illegal occupation and apartheid policies within the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Israel,” said Dr. Justine McCabe, Connecticut Green and member of the Green Party’s International Committee (http://www.gp.org/committees/intl).

    http://www.gp.org/newsroom/press-releases/details/4/721

    Well the highlighted part appeals to 67% of people in the US anyway.

    Needed some good news today.

  31. RobertB
    RobertB on July 17, 2014, 11:59 pm

    Report No Evil

    NBC News Pulls Reporter from Gaza After Witnessing Israeli Attack on Children

    By Glenn Greenwald

    July 17, 2014

    “The Intercept” – Ayman Mohyeldin, the NBC News correspondent who personally witnessed yesterday’s killing by Israel of four Palestinian boys on a Gazan beach and who has received widespread praise for his brave and innovative coverage of the conflict, has been told by NBC executives to leave Gaza immediately. According to an NBC source upset at his treatment, the executives claimed the decision was motivated by “security concerns” as Israel prepares a ground invasion, a claim repeated to me by an NBC executive. But late yesterday, NBC sent another correspondent, Richard Engel, along with an American producer who has never been to Gaza and speaks no Arabic, into Gaza to cover the ongoing Israeli assault.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39125.htm

    • wes
      wes on July 18, 2014, 5:35 am

      They removed him because the “ready made for tv ” was a failure.

  32. talknic
    talknic on July 18, 2014, 2:16 am

    If Hamas wanted simply to kill Jews, they’re standing in full view on a hill in Sderot, with Israeli military next to ’em BTW http://bcove.me/6h4z1x6g

  33. TheWatcherWatching
    TheWatcherWatching on July 18, 2014, 3:04 am

    It seems to me like Hamas sucks it mustn’t have a military commander. Even hezzbolugh did a better job, if I was Iran I would be furious at how incompetent Hamas is.i feel like I could do a better job, Christ all they need to do is fire a few hundred rockets at the dimona reactor at the same time from various different angels (overwhelm the iron dome) and blow it sky high. That would be step one

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 18, 2014, 9:16 pm

      It seems to me like Hamas sucks it mustn’t have a military commander. Even hezzbolugh did a better job, if I was Iran I would be furious at how incompetent Hamas is.i feel like I could do a better job, Christ all they need to do is fire a few hundred rockets at the dimona reactor at the same time from various different angels (overwhelm the iron dome) and blow it sky high.

      What are you babbling about? Even uhum, “hezzbolugh” did a better job? Where did you get that spelling? Your Yiddish translator?

  34. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby on July 18, 2014, 3:10 am

    Note how the arab world is pretty much silent on israel and its war nowadays, what a shameful stance!

  35. Stogumber
    Stogumber on July 18, 2014, 4:39 am

    Personally, i had great hopes for “Iron Dome” – it could have secured Israel and made attacks on Gaza (obviously) superfluous.
    Does anyone know why Iron Dome was such a failure?

  36. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby on July 18, 2014, 6:24 am

    Crazy statement by Germany
    http://rt.com/news/line/2014-07-18/#66252
    israel could keep on with a factual genocide I guess.

  37. Marnie
    Marnie on July 18, 2014, 6:53 am

    But The Independent (UK) reported that Israeli officials told them the “first step would be ‘surgical’ incursions into Gaza and then an operation to divide the Strip into three to prevent movement between the areas,” a strategy Israel employed during the Cast Lead invasion . Al Jazeera’s Gregg Carlstrom reports that “columns” of Israeli tanks have entered Gaza.” That makes my blood run cold.

    “We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist,” Naftali Bennett, the economy minister, said earlier today, Reuters reported.” And he makes me sick. I would love to see him and his party on the front lines. Iron fist doesn’t sound much like “surgical” precision to me. The only side using surgical precision are Hamas, with one israel killed. I’m not praying for great numbers of israeli casualties, I’m just so sick of the bravado and foolishness of the israeli government. You’ve got all the weapons and still whine and scream about being “under attack”. I’ve never seen such an uneven field of battle. How can these soldiers go in there knowing damn well they are following the orders of a morally bankrupt nation? How will you explain this to your children and grandchildren, if you live to have them?

  38. Shingo
    Shingo on July 18, 2014, 8:05 am

    Now Israel’s army claims Israel’s Gaza invasion not meant to topple Hamas: army
    http://news.yahoo.com/israels-gaza-invasion-not-meant-topple-hamas-army-202301211.html

    The bottom line is they know they can’t. Imagine that? With all those weapons and political power, the Israelis are powerless to hurt Hamas.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick on July 18, 2014, 8:46 am

      Wait a minute, all during the run up it was Hamas Hamas Hamas, now it’s tunnels tunnels tunnels?

      Their moving the goal posts.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 8:53 am

      Hamas will never be annihilated, they will prevail like they always do, and it is time that Israel stopped giving them reasons to send those rockets – agree to peace, and give them their rights and freedom.
      Israel cannot complete the taking over of the Palestinian territories, as long as Hamas is there, one the other hand, Hamas gives them the excuse to slaughter Palestinians, and retaliate by grabbing MORE land.

  39. Kay24
    Kay24 on July 18, 2014, 8:22 am

    Blitzer: “Israel’s ground war in Gaza has turned deadly, ONE Israeli soldier dead”
    start of his report.

    Wow, if that is deadly, then what are about 270 civilians, 70 percent civilians, massacred, many children, disabled, old folks, children playing soccer, and thousands of injuries?

    Dr. Mustafa Baghouti is giving a great interview, and made a wonderful case for the US stopping the aid and weapons, being used on all Palestinians.
    He said this is not a war on Hamas but all Palestinians. Worthwhile watching that interview,
    He may not be interviewed on CNN again.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick on July 18, 2014, 8:34 am

      I thought I saw a report that said it might have been “friendly fire.” But if it was would they tell us?

  40. chinese box
    chinese box on July 18, 2014, 8:41 am

    Related: has anyone read Wapo’s editorials today? There is a Zionist piece by Charles Krauthammer, which I may not bother to read, and then a rather lame, predictable “cycle of violence” op-ed (I guess this is what Wapo considers “balance”) by Eugene Robinson. However the Robinson piece does mention the one state solution. I would say that 1ss has entered mainstream consciousness at this point (or at least the minds of the elite opinion-shaper world).

  41. Citizen
    Citizen on July 18, 2014, 8:52 am

    American Cable TV news & infotainment all say HAMAS started the latest Gaza -Israel Conflict. Anybody more oblivious and more a hasbara lackey than #IMUS? He blows his old bugle for Jewish Zionist maintenance of his career–that’s what he’s about. What an inspiration! He wills his son roping of steers, Palestinians steers. What a chump!

  42. just
    just on July 18, 2014, 9:07 am

    “Israel said it was reducing its diplomatic presence in Turkey after protesters threw stones at its consulate in Istanbul and draped Palestinian flags on the ambassador’s residence in Ankara. This is from Reuters.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/israels-ground-invasion-of-gaza-live-updates

    Poor things– they just hate stones.

  43. just
    just on July 18, 2014, 9:39 am

    Yousef Munayyer mentions “mowing the grass”…an impressive interview (as usual) on CNN.

    He sets things straight every time– he completely and elegantly trashes the MSM narrative.

  44. seafoid
    seafoid on July 18, 2014, 10:20 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/israels-ground-invasion-of-gaza-live-updates

    “In the wreckage of the home on Friday morning, Salem Entez, 29, Mohamed Salem’s father, approached the Guardian with a plastic bag, which he opened to revealed pieces of flesh he was collecting for burial. “This is my son,” he said.”

    Can all the “Jewish Americans who believe we are whatever ” start thinking about where Israel is headed now

    • just
      just on July 18, 2014, 10:23 am

      I seriously don’t think so…

      I read that heartbreaking story, and AGAIN felt utter revulsion for what is being done by Israel.

    • talknic
      talknic on July 19, 2014, 4:27 am

      Ooooops I didn’t mean to stop the Hasbarristas from having their say …..

  45. heartbeatt
    heartbeatt on July 19, 2014, 9:20 am

    re: the often repeated “Zionism is the belief in a Jewish state in historic Palestine…..”

    No, Zionism created ‘the belief’ in a Jewish state in Palestine – because Uganda and Argentina, etc. didn’t fit the bill. Historic Palestine was never Jewish, but a land with a rich multi-ethnic mixture of peoples and followers of many religious beliefs. And it will be again one day when the racist Jewish State disintegrates.
    Zionism created ‘the idea of Israel’ and its followers are doing everything they can to demonize those who challenge this invention of Israel. Their propaganda fills our media, our schools, our political agendas….who has really understood the lessons of the Holocaust and other ethnic cleansing horrors? how can people be so foolish?

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