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‘Take your Ebola ass and get out’: L.A. confrontation highlights relationship between Zionism and anti-black racism

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On 18 October 2014, a self-professed “racist” pro-Israel counter-protester at a Block the Boat action in Los Angeles told black Palestinian solidarity activist and radio personality Margaret Prescod to “take your Ebola a*s and get out.”

LA-based activist Taher Herzallah first tweeted the picture and quote:

This quote was corroborated by numerous activists who attended the demonstration. I asked several LA protesters personally, all of whom verified that the Israel-supporter indeed spewed such racism. I was told that there was even video of the incident. I asked I could get ahold of it, and an activist who goes by the name of Sanchez uploaded the cinematographic evidence to YouTube on October 26:

At 1:15 in the video, you can see Prescod begin to walk over to the group of Zionist counter-protesters. She holds a large yellow “Free Gaza” sign, in the shape of a hand, a common design used by Block the Boat activists. At 1:26, when Prescod arrives next to the counter-protesters, you can hear one tell her “Get the f*ck* out of the way, d*ke.” Prescod responds noting the First Amendment guarantees her the right to stand in a public space and protest. The pro-Israel protester replies “Maybe I don’t want any Ebola.” Another counter-protester, off screen, says “Take your Ebola ass and get out.” Prescod, aghast, asks “What kind of racist comment is that?” The counter-protester in the red shirt proudly replies “I am racist. Step the f*ck out; step the f*ck out!” (At 1:43, another counter-protester inquires, entirely relevantly, “Do you like Obama?”)

In spite of being verbally assaulted, Prescod stands her ground, insisting on the importance of her First Amendment right. Off to the side, a Zionist counter-protester, wrapped in an Israeli flag, argues with a Palestinian solidarity activist, rehashing popular myths and distortions about Islam (e.g., Muslims cannot be friends with Jews and Christians, the prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, etc.). Very often concomitant with diehard Zionism is not just racism, but also Islamophobia.

At 4:10, Prescod expresses her concern to this man, who appears to be at least slightly less pugnacious than his confrères. “Excuse me a moment. For your message,” Prescod politely says, motioning toward the Zionist who proudly identified as a racist, “your supporter said ‘Get your Ebola self outta here.’ To have a racist person—” The man cuts her off, promptly insisting “That’s not racist” and defends his companion.

The group of Israel advocates then, at 6:50, proceeds to accuse Palestine human rights advocates of being connected to ISIS—another popular Islamophobic tactic. At 7:00, the self-identified racist points over to Prescod and yells “How many black people have committed crimes, b*tch?” By 7:40, fellow Palestinian solidarity activists of color have joined Prescod and have begun chanting “From Ferguson to Palestine, occupation is a crime.” This appears to prompt another Zionist counter-protester,at 7:47, to flail her arm at the peace advocates and violently yell “Uneducated!” six times.

Next on the list of racist stereotypes from which the Zionists draw is right-wing anti-immigrant rhetoric, prevalent among the US Republican Party. A counter-protester refers to the people of color present as “anti-American.” At 8:48, she yells into the megaphone “Get outta here. All anti-Americans, get outta here!” and, at 9:40, “You’re all anti-Americans.”

In a mellifluous conclusion to to the Zionists’ chauvinist cacophony, at 11:00, the Palestinian solidarity activists begin chanting “Racists go home!” The counter-protesters take their leave. The counter-protester in red flips them off as she ambles angrily away.

Two Ugly Sides of the Same Coin

Margaret Prescod is well known in the community as a host on listener-supported KPFK 90.7 FM public radio. Four times per week, she hosts the morning show “Sojourner Truth,” covering local, national, and international new with an emphasis on “how those of us most impacted – women, communities of color and other communities are responding.”

After the counter-protesters left, Global Voices for Justice filmed Prescod as she addressed the crowd, recounting the incident and explaining that the struggle against Israeli apartheid is part of a larger movement against apartheid and racism around the world. At 0:20 she states:

I’m really glad to be out here, as a person of African descent, and to see some of my other brothers and sisters of African descent here, because we know that the apartheid practiced in Israel is the same apartheid that was practiced in South Africa, and the racism happening against the Bedouins and the Palestinian people in Israel is the same racism that we are facing here in these United States.

An incident happened this morning that I intend to report on the show on the air, and really to encourage more of my African-American brothers and sisters to be part of this effort. Our women’s group has been part of the Block the Boat coalition and we tried to get the word out as best we could.

But as I walked across the street this morning, to where the Israeli lobby and supporters were, I was the first person that walked over there. First, the police turned me away. I then stayed on the other side. And then I thought ‘Well why should they be able to occupy that corner?’. And I walked back across the street … and one of the women viciously said to me ‘Get your Ebola self outta here.” She did, and it was caught on video. And I said, ‘Because I’m black, you’re saying that to me? That’s racist,’ and she said ‘Yes I’m a racist and get your f’ing Ebola self off of my corner; get away from me.’

Now that tells us something, and that sends a message not only to all of us here, clarifying to many who may be confused about what’s going on with the occupation and the repression of Palestinian people, that level of racism, being out here, representing the state of Israel, is shameful.

I just wanted to report that to you. The police officers who are out there, you should know that as well. I reported it to one of the Long Beach police officers; he made no comment. But I really felt attacked, as a person of African descent. And that is bloody outrageous.

And also, just finally to say, that just didn’t fall out of her mouth. There are people that are now running around with this. And the guy she was with defended it saying ‘You black people want to be called African-Americans, and everybody knows that it’s Africans that are putting people at risk of Ebola.’ This is the level of racism going on, and this is the kind of racism that Zionism represents and that we stand against. So thank each and every one of you for being out here and supporting us.

Echoing Israeli Racism

That Zionists are open about their racism is not surprising. Their support for the ethnocratic state of Israel is doubtless, at least in part, motivated by this racism.

As journalist Rania Khalek has noted, Zionism “enable[s] Israel’s genocidal ambitions” by normalizing this racism within an ethnoreligious-supremacist political philosophy. Zionism’s hyper-nationalism inspires egregious stereotypes that lead to the demonization and subsequent dehumanization of entire peoples. The same racist (il)logic that leads to the generalization of all Palestinians as “terrorists” leads to seeing all people of African descent as having Ebola.

Muslims have been racialized through “race thinking,” so Islam, as a synecdoche, has come to represent, and to be iniquitously wielded against, these Arab “terrorists.” The sign the Zionist counter-protesters held read “Radical Islam is the new Nazi.” The anti-Palestinian and anti-black racism festering in these Israel supporters also manifests itself in a virulent Islamophobia. They presumably know that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, but use the racialization of Islam to present themselves as brave warriors, combating “radical Islam”—this phrase, of course, meant, through this series of connections, to refer to the Palestinian people.

At an even more basic level, semiotics and cultural connotations aside, moreoever, this sign is too somewhat strange considering the recorded instances of Israeli actual neo-Nazis beating up Palestinians, African refugees, and Jewish leftists, often while police stand by, doing nothing.

It’s also strange considering journalist David Sheen has collected video footage of numerous rallies in which groups of Israeli fascists chant “Death to Arabs” & “Death to leftists.”

Israeli peace activist and Duke University professor Rann Bar-On was attending a demonstration in Haifa this summer, with “about three or four hundred left-wing activists demonstrating against the war, for peace between Arabs and Jews, refusing to be enemies,” when

well over a thousand … militant activists from the right, surrounded by police and others, screaming, ‘Death to Arabs! Death to leftists!’ As we were protesting, they moved towards us. The police allowed them to move towards us. The police allowed them to attack us, to throw stones at us. Later on, as we were trying to leave, … the police did not attempt to allow us to leave. They took over an hour to evacuate us while we were under heavy attack by stones and other missiles. Many were injured. We’ve had over 30 injured. Two women are still in hospital. There were gangs roaming the streets, beating up anyone they thought was an Arab or member of our demonstration.

During “Operation Protective Edge,” Israeli fascists roamed the streets, looking for Arabs and Jewish leftists, whom they would then harass and attack. There is video footage of Israeli mobs shouting “Death to the Arabs” and attacking Palestinians at a Jerusalem mall. Israeli fascists took the life of 17-year-old Muhammed Abu Khdeir, burning him alive, after forcing him to drink gasoline (which made his internal organs burn while he was still alive).

As if it was not enough to take a young, innocent man’s life, Israeli police then ransacked the home of Abu Khdeir’s family and arrested relatives in “revenge for the family’s role in publicizing CCTV footage of [Tariq, his cousin] Abu Khdeir’s brutal beating at the hands of Israeli police, and their public campaign to secure his return to the US.”

Anti-Black Racism in Israel

Events like these serve as regular reminders that Zionism is indeed a racist, colonialist ideology.

The racism of these California-based Zionist counter-protesters is symptomatic of a much larger culture of bigotry and hate. Israeli President Reuven Rivlin has gone on record calling his country, in the words of the Jerusalem Post, “a sick society that needs treatment.” Haaretz, the “Israeli New York Times,” has also shown that racism is getting even worse among younger generations, that Israeli teenagers are “Racist and proud of it.”

This racism manifests itself politically in the form of apartheid. In 2007, David A. Kirshbaum, of the Israel Law Resource Center, published a piece titled “Israeli Apartheid — A Basic Legal Perspective,” meticulously detailing the myriad ways in which Israel is an apartheid state, under its very own laws. Once again, Israel’s most-read newspaper has published pieces confirming this fact, admitting that “Israeli Arabs have never been equal before the law.”

And yet, as the aforementioned incident evinces, this racism is not only directed at Palestinians. David Sheen has been “carefully chronicling the racist attacks against non-Jewish African asylum-seekers in Israel for several years,” documenting “social media stories about the recent violence, footage from four years of anti-African rallies, and extended one-on-one interviews about opposition to the presence of Africans in Israel.” He writes:

In January 2012, an organization in Israel that aids African asylum-seekers, the African Refugee Development Center, asked me to author on their behalf a report to the United Nations Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD). After receiving the report in text and video form, the UN committee urged the Israeli government to prevent racist attacks against Africans in Israel. The Israeli government ignored the UN’s call, and the following month, Israelis firebombed a kindergarten for African children in Tel Aviv, igniting a wave of violence against non-Jewish African people in Israel that is still ongoing.

Blumenthal and Sheen released a brief documentary titled “Israel’s New Racism: The Persecution of African Migrants in the Holy Land.” In it, they show video footage of prominent politicians, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Member of Knesset Michael Ben-Ari, calling African refugees “infiltrators” and “cancer,” and openly using the n-word; of Israeli citizens harassing fellow Israelis for engaging in interracial relationships; and of some politicians even going so far as to propose the creation of concentration camps in which to hold African refugees.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has also drawn attention to the vitriolic strain of anti-black racism in Israeli society. In its September 2014 report “Make Their Lives Miserable”: Israel’s Coercion of Eritrean and Sudanese Asylum Seekers to Leave Israel details how “Israeli authorities have labelled Eritreans and Sudanese a ‘threat,’ branded them ‘infiltrators,’ denied them access to fair and efficient asylum procedures, and used the resulting insecure legal status as a pretext to unlawfully detain or threaten to detain them indefinitely, coercing thousands into leaving.”

HRW writes that “Israel’s policies are well summed up in the words of former Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai who said that as long as Israel cannot deport them to their home countries, it should ‘lock them up to make their lives miserable.’”

In the time since Blumenthal and Sheen’s documentary was made (mid 2013), Israel has in fact created what are effectively internment camps for African refugees. Israeli journalist Lia Tarachansky, reporting for the Real News, has documented these horrific practices.

Tarachansky notes that African refugees are imprisoned en masse in open-air prison camps in the middle of nowhere. They are told they are not prisoners, but they must sign in three times per day, and the prison camp is so far from any neighboring city that it is impossible to leave on foot. Moreover, when African refugees collectively decide to leave in protest of the concentration camp conditions in which they are involuntarily held, the army violently stops them. In response, African refugees are now going on hunger strike.

Israel’s modus operandi for dealing with this supposed refugee “problem” has been to trade African asylum-seekers with other countries in exchange for weapons. It goes without saying that such a decision bears striking and grotesque resemblances to slavery. (It might also, significantly, be herein noted that the US is complicit in this neo-slavery process, as the weapons Israel is exchanging for human beings may very well have been bought with the US’ over $100 billion of military aid.)

Even African Jews are not immune from this intense, unmitigated racism. Israel has admitted to forcibly sterilizing Ethiopian Jews, in an action that some argue constitutes the legal definition of genocide. Magen David Adom, the “Israeli Red Cross,” has refused to take blood donations from one of its own country’s Members of Knesset, Pnina Tamano-Shata, referring to it as “the special kind of Jewish-Ethiopian blood” they avoid.

Scholar Hanan Chehata has thoroughly detailed Israel’s “overt racism” against and segregation of African Jews, calling the ethnocracy the “promised land for Jews … as long as they’re not black.” The chief rabbi of Petach Tikvah (a “sister city” of Chicago) went to so far as to refuse to wed Ethiopian Jews, because he doubted that they were truly Jewish. Clearly, Israel’s white supremacist Zionism leads to its own despicable form of anti-Semitism.

The Palestinian Solidarity Movement Is an Anti-Racist Movement

Given the obscene levels and grotesque displays of racism in Israeli society, it should not be a big surprise that Israel’s supporters tell black Americans to “take your Ebola a*s and get out.” As Prescod noted in her speech, this Zionist’s (and her accomplices’) racism “just didn’t fall out of her mouth”; it’s a reflection of the racist ethnostate she (and they) support.

Racist Zionist protesters like these remind one that the Palestinian solidarity movement is a fundamentally anti-racist movement. In the words of Blumenthal, we are “principled” anti-Zionists because “we’re genuinely disgusted by any form of racism. It’s why we’re disgusted by the Israeli government and by the structure of Israeli apartheid.”

Palestinian solidarity activists—advocates for Palestinian human rights, freedom, and dignity—organize and fight precisely because they oppose racism, in all of its forms, and want to see an end to it anywhere and everywhere.

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  1. just
    just
    October 30, 2014, 10:30 am

    Ben ~ thanks for this important, comprehensive and well- sourced article.

    I’m going back to read this in more depth a bit later. Right now I feel thoroughly ill to my core. Racism is ugly enough. Zio- racism is……….

    Didn’t anyone ever teach these ‘people’ the Golden Rule???

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      October 30, 2014, 10:41 am

      Apparently they learned those rules from their abuser many years ago. Zionism begets racists, haters, and those prone to inflict pain on others. It is part of their psyche. Whether it is Palestinian territories, or even in the US, these servants of zionists, who are doing the bidding of their masters, stoop to ugly, racist behavior. Whether it is graffiti calling for the death of all Arabs, or telling a person of African origin that they have Ebola, it is the same zionist mind set.
      It has become such a bad habit, they forget they are in the US and not apartheid land, when they behave (as this zionist admitted) like all racists over there.
      To your point any other people would have learned from their past, and never resorted to acting like arrogant jerks, hurting others.

      • TwoRedDogs
        TwoRedDogs
        November 1, 2014, 12:22 am

        You are correct kay24, but how do they rationally justify hate while complaining about antisemitism around the world? How does Abe Foxman not say a word about all the racist vandalism and attacks in Israel while he destroys lives in US and Europe for much lesser offenses?

        Didn’t they ever hear of “let the one without sin cast the first stone”?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 1, 2014, 1:13 pm

        “Didn’t they ever hear of “let the one without sin cast the first stone”?”

        Was that in Leviticus?

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    October 30, 2014, 10:44 am

    I’m convinced that the antipathy between Obama and Butcher Bibi started from unsubtle racism our president has encountered from the Israeli PM.

    Concerning the “Left Side” emblem. Think about it, someone had to make the decision to substitute the Iron Cross with the Magen David. Did they not think for a moment the strange irony of that? Or were they just reaching out to a new market? Also why aren’t the Jewish organization up in arms about this? They were all bent out of shape when those Palestinian students supposedly gave the Nazi salute, why ignore blatant Neo-Nazi regalia on Jewish backs? Hypocrisy does not even begin to describe that.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      October 30, 2014, 1:22 pm

      May I remind everyone that Donald Sterling did say that “blacks are treated like dogs in Israel”?

      Maybe you have a good point.

  3. eljay
    eljay
    October 30, 2014, 10:50 am

    … At 1:26, when Prescod arrives next to the counter-protesters, you can hear one tell her “Get the f*ck* out of the way, d*ke.” Prescod responds noting the First Amendment guarantees her the right to stand in a public space and protest. The pro-Israel protester replies “Maybe I don’t want any Ebola.” Another counter-protester, off screen, says “Take your Ebola ass and get out.” Prescod, aghast, asks “What kind of racist comment is that?” The counter-protester in the red shirt proudly replies “I am racist. Step the f*ck out; step the f*ck out!” …
    . . .
    At 7:00, the self-identified racist points over to Prescod and yells “How many black people have committed crimes, b*tch?” …
    . . .
    Next on the list of racist stereotypes from which the Zionists draw is right-wing anti-immigrant rhetoric … A counter-protester refers to the people of color present as “anti-American.” At 8:48, she yells into the megaphone “Get outta here. All anti-Americans, get outta here!” and, at 9:40, “You’re all anti-Americans.”

    People who advocate for, support, justify and/or defend supremacism are always so damned classy. How do they do it?!

    • just
      just
      October 30, 2014, 11:20 am

      How is it “anti- American” to protest the apartheid, racist, colonial, murderous policies of another foreign state???

      How is it “anti- American” to advocate for human rights here or anywhere on the planet???

      • Sycamores
        Sycamores
        October 30, 2014, 12:04 pm

        @ just,

        of course it’s not anti-American to protest but in the female racist eyes, so long as the US government (which meant to represent American values) aids and abets the colonial state of Israel, the Block the Boat protesters can be argue in her eyes as anti-American.

        Human rights don’t come into it.

        perverse logic of the racist.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        November 2, 2014, 4:40 am

        Well, everyone knows that the true authority would be none other than Benjamin Netanyahu, apparently the “Miss Manners” of all things american.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 2, 2014, 9:58 am

      “Get outta here. All anti-Americans, get outta here!” and, at 9:40, “You’re all anti-Americans.”

      Anti-american is the new dog whistle for black people? WTF is wrong here!

      The classiest people on earth wear hoods and burn crosses; they also wear kippot and tallit and love to pray at magical walls and call African asylum seekers “infiltrators” and all Palestinians are either KHamas or ISIS. They love labels.

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    October 30, 2014, 11:35 am

    My old ears, with their hearing loss, did not distinguish the Zionist-spoken words about Ebola, etc. I must assume the words in the video were adequately clear to people with younger hearing. (With hearing aids in, I did hear “Ebola” but assumed it was the spoken by the pro-Palestine woman.) All of which is to say that one man’s evidence is not necessarily persuasive to another.

    But I completely believe that the combined senses, among many Zionists, of [1] having historically been oppressed and being victims, [2] feeling angry at and hurt by anti-Zionism which feels to them like a re-play of the antisemitism of old, [3] being completely ignorant of the racism inherent in Zionism and the whole horrible story summed up in the single word “Nakba”, and [4] now feeling powerful, even feeling above the law, above “civility” — these combined senses have led the Zionists to a triumphalist racialism which is oppressive of others and hurled around “as of right” and without regard for how it reflects on (for example) the so-called Jewish People, in a way which is highly offensive to me as a human being, never mind any Jewish ancestry.

    • American
      American
      October 30, 2014, 12:06 pm

      ” But I completely believe that the combined senses, among many Zionists, of [1] having historically been oppressed and being victims, [2] feeling angry at and hurt by anti-Zionism which feels to them like a re-play of the antisemitism of old, [3] being completely ignorant of the racism inherent in Zionism and the whole horrible story summed up in the single word “Nakba”, and [4] now feeling powerful, even feeling above the law, above “civility” — these combined senses have led the Zionists to a triumphalist racialism which is oppressive of others and hurled around “as of right” and without regard for how it reflects on (for example) the so-called Jewish People, in a way which is highly offensive to me as a human being, never mind any Jewish ancestry. ”……pabelmont

      As the official hard ass here let me say that offering psychological reasons or excuses for the Zionist attitudes is ‘not helpful’. ..as the StateDept says.
      Why?…because it only plays into and bolsters all the psychological victim excuses and rationals Israel and zionism use to justify what they do.
      You give them one inch of it and they will turn it into a mile.
      You can offer them psychological counseling ‘ after’ they are locked down and no longer a danger to others.

      Every time I hear the psychological explanation for radical zionist I think of serial killer Ted Bundy’s legal defense claiming that he killed all those women because’ he felt’ his mother rejected him and didn’t love him enough so he shouldn’t get the death penalty because he was ’emotionally damaged’ .

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        October 31, 2014, 6:50 am

        @ American,

        Agreed.

        You don’t talk to bullies. You kick ’em in the nuts until they bleed from their ears; then you talk, because then they’ll listen.

      • annie
        annie
        November 1, 2014, 2:01 am

        offering psychological reasons or excuses for the Zionist attitudes is ‘not helpful’

        hmm, but pabelmont didn’t state them as excuses. he stated them as background and reasons why he now thinks these combined senses have “led the Zionists to a triumphalist racialism which is oppressive of others and hurled around “as of right” and without regard for how it reflects on (for example) the so-called Jewish People, in a way which is highly offensive to me as a human being, never mind any Jewish ancestry. ”

        iow, the combined feelings of anger, ignorance, and feeling above the law leads to radicalism.

        and, he’s probably correct. personally, i find it interesting. for there very pts giles and tworeddogs point out and add to the discourse. what’s happening now didn’t happen in a vacuum. what gives a people of sense of ” triumphalist racialism” that seems to be brimming over in israel today? the kind that justifies genocide no less?

        these people in the video are disgusting. but they believe they are right. it’s gross.

    • October 30, 2014, 2:26 pm

      This goes beyond Zionism I fear. To understand these people, you have to realize they have been raised to believe that much of the rest of the world is out to wipe all Jews off the planet and that it has been this way for thousands of years. Due to some inexplicable disease called anti-Semitism that continues to crop up wherever there are Jews in any numbers.

      Obsessing over perceived oppression and genocide that took place 4,000 years ago and 70 years ago and is taking place now (even though it is not) creates an extremely ethnocentric, self obsessed, paranoid people who manage to accrue tremendous power thru their sticking together and their willingness to act dishonestly and dishonorably to anyone not in their little tribe. They then use this power to exploit and victimize all those outside of their little circle.

      Which inevitably results in blowback from those they are victimizing. But they can never understand this as real history is lost in their propaganda and so blame any criticism to this odd disease of anti-Semitism and so never modify their behavior.

      My feeling is most Jews feel somewhat like this (clearly many do not) but only a minority let it rule their lives. It seems that the wealthier a Jewish person is, the more likely he is to feel he is a victim.

      This is inevitably going to end very badly

      • lysias
        lysias
        October 31, 2014, 12:33 pm

        This is inevitably going to end very badly.

        Especially since Israel has so many nukes. Did you read my posting the other day about how Bibi’s psychiatrist kiled himself in 2010 over despair when he was unable to cure Bibi of his irrational thinking?

      • lysias
        lysias
        October 31, 2014, 12:41 pm

        Here’s the critical paragraph from that posting:

        The first of Yatom’s strokes occurred when Netanyahu offered his opinion that the 911 attacks on Washington and New York “were good.” The second followed a session in which Netanyahu insisted that Iran and Nazi Germany were identical. And the third occurred after the Prime Minister declared Iran’s nuclear energy program was a “flying gas chamber,” and that all Jews everywhere “lived permanently in Auschwitz.” Yatom’s efforts to calm Netanyahu’s hysteria were extremely taxing emotionally and routinely ended in failure. “The alibi is always the same with him,” complained another diary entry. “The Jews are on the verge of annihilation at the hands of the racist goyim and the only way to save the day is to carry out one final massacre.”

      • TwoRedDogs
        TwoRedDogs
        November 1, 2014, 12:51 am

        “they have been raised to believe that much of the rest of the world is out to wipe all Jews off the planet and that it has been this way for thousands of years. Due to some inexplicable disease called anti-Semitism that continues to crop up wherever there are Jews in any numbers.”

        If there ever was ‘intelligent design’, this is it. The question is why? Yes, Jews have suffered, but they weren’t the only ones who suffered discrimination and genocide by a long shot. Is it a tool to cement ethnic nepotism in order to achieve power?

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 5, 2014, 10:50 pm

        Giles (formerly known as “Uncle99b” and “oldjoe5” on YouTube), you’ve got it all twisted again. Jewish victimhood, most definitely no longer exists and that is a GOOD thing. We live in an age of Zionism, where the Jews once again enjoy sovereignty in their own historical homeland. In democratic countries of the West, Jews have excelled in the professions, the arts and hold positions of power. The clock won’t be turned back, much to your dismay. Victimhood is for people like you to wallow in.

      • annie
        annie
        November 6, 2014, 12:32 am

        mikhael, while i may agree with you jewish victimhood, for the most part, does not exist.. theres’ an industry that perpetuates the illusion of it. this is easily sourced any day of the week, like today for example. the “never ending” genocide of jews. (leave it to those think tanks to come up w/the best slogans.) http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/ambassador-ending-genocide

        big yawn. and you can partly thank abe foxman of that lest we forget that jews are maligned day in and day out all over the world and anti semitism runs rampant.

        anyway, the victimhood brand is one many many jews will never relinquish. it’s too …valuable. the eternal victim..

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 7, 2014, 8:08 am

        Annie Robbins November 6, 2014, 12:32 am
        mikhael, while i may agree with you jewish victimhood, for the most part, does not exist.. theres’ an industry that perpetuates the illusion of it. this is easily sourced any day of the week, like today for example. the “never ending” genocide of jews. (leave it to those think tanks to come up w/the best slogans.) link to mondoweiss.net

        Just because Jews are not victims and won’t ever be again doesn’t mean that there aren’t many who hope to make us collective victims again, and long for those days.

        big yawn. and you can partly thank abe foxman of that lest we forget that jews are maligned day in and day out all over the world and anti semitism runs rampant.

        Just like Ibrahim Cooper of CAIR and the executives of the Arab-American Anti Discrimination Committee, Foxman makes a living by highlighting isolated instances of bigotry. Doesn’t mean he’s not also often right. ( Keep in mind also that the ADL also is very outspoken against discrimination against Arabs and Muslims as well.)
        The average American Jew doesn’t know or care about Foxman or the ADL (just like the average Muslim in the US doesn’t know about CAIR). Even fewer people in Israel know who he is. You’d think we all walk around carrying pictures of him. It’s not like he’s the Lubavitcher Rebbe or anything. However, judging from comments that I see about him on lunatic fringe sites like Mondoweiss, Jewhaters are obsessed with Foxman.

        anyway, the victimhood brand is one many many jews will never relinquish. it’s too …valuable. the eternal victim..

        Nope. We’ve been there, done that, for a few thousand years, and it sucked. There was nothing good about it and we won’t go back.
        Aside from some old folk maybe who survived the Holocaust or oppression in the USSR or various Arab countries, or on a much lesser scale, have experienced discrimination in the USA in the early half of the last century, on the whole, Jews don’t regard themselves as victims. Young Jews are strong, confident and successful. Those of us who live in Israel grow up in our own homeland where we are the majority. Those of us who grow up in democratic nations of the West, like the USA and Canada, tend to be super-assimilated and barely aware of their Jewish identity and whether or not they have a strong Jewish identity (outside the Orthodox enclaves in the US, this is on the wane) as a group, have succeeded enormously because democratic Western countries don’t place barriers on them like those their ancestors faced in Europe and the Middle East; most of them also grow up in nurturing environments with stable family units. If they wish, they can express their Jewishness without fear of persecution and feel free to stand up to bullying anti-Semites on the rare occasions that they surface. Being vigilant and fighting those who would victimize Jews again is not the same as embracing victim status, however.

        You’re confusing Jews with the Arabs who’ve recently adopted a Palestinian identity.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 7, 2014, 4:27 pm

        Most Jews alive today are not living where their great grandparents lived 100 years ago. The reasons why they live in place X (America or Israel or France or Britain) rather than in place Y (Eastern Europe or the Levant) is intimately related to an atmosphere of hatred that urged them to move: ranging from the extermination policies of Nazism to the reaction to Zionism atmosphere of the countries of the Levant.

        One can decry the emphasis on victimhood of Jews, including myself, but without a modicum of historical perspective, the overall attitude conveyed by this decrying is one of ignorance and apathy. Sprinkle a couple of facts in once in a while, in case your purpose is not preaching to the choir. Forget about facts and human nature if you just wish to pontificate like a bunch of cold blooded idiots.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        November 7, 2014, 6:47 pm

        @yonah
        My mother was born in Iraq and her family were there for generations before that. Her culture is completely Arab; language, music, food… Absolutely everything until this day and Arabic is still her first language. When she was quite young her family moved to bahrain which she always describes as her golden years. According to her and other members of the family there was never any problem in their entire history of living in those countries UNTIL the zionist project gathered steam which resulted in the naqba. After that it was a different story and it could never be the same as before. My mother is now 81 and when she thinks back she absolutely believes that the creation of Israel was a huge mistake and was the whole cause of all of the problems faced by the Jews who previously lived in Arab countries.

        We are from the Spanish and Portuguese Jewish sephardic community and it was after all the Ottomans who gave our ancestors refuge after being forced out of Spain in the late 15th century

        Before the zionist project the Jews who lived in those Arab countries were respected, had religious freedom and also held positions of power and influence. It all changed, understandably, when the zionists showed up in force.

        There is a lot of mythology and propaganda about how the arabs always hated the Jews and this is what the majority of Jews believe today. I’m afraid it’s simply not true.

        Anyway that’s my mother’s version and she lived through it

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 7, 2014, 5:11 pm

        Yonah, what on earth are you getting at. Persecutionm isn’t supposed to inspire petulance, you know

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 7, 2014, 9:19 pm

        “Bornajoo” that was very interesting, and wonderful to read.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 8, 2014, 11:45 am

        And I was so sure I would see a response to “Bornajoo’s” comment from Yonah today.

        At least the assurance that “Ashkenazi” Jews and Zionism will always protect Sephardic Jews from Arab persecution, and assist them in ascending to our level, would have been nice.

  5. Bornajoo
    Bornajoo
    October 30, 2014, 12:44 pm

    @American
    Yes I agree with you.
    we all know the origin of their mental sickness and disturbing behaviour.
    But these maniacs need to be stopped! Let’s all focus on that. How do we stop them from carrying out the slow motion genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians taking place in front of our eyes?
    Their power of impunity comes directly from the USA and while they have that support they will continue with their evil agenda. The fate of the Palestinians rests with American public opinion. Until that changes the Palestinians will continue to suffer. israel is way too far gone to ever end their suffering of these poor people which has been left in the hands of these mentally ill zio-supremacist racist evil psychos

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      November 1, 2014, 1:01 pm

      Not exactly “rests with American public opinion” but “rests with” the compromises worked out within the American establishment (oligarchy) — the folks who really decides this stuff.l tool for good decision making that the oligarchs who run Ameruica wisely (and benevolently) replaced it with oligarchy. It at least has the benefit of working well to assure the short-term interests of the oligqrchs. Not very good with any long-term stuff, such as climate change. (Or I/P.)

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        November 1, 2014, 5:22 pm

        @Pabelmont
        Thanks for that correction. I naively thought that as more of the global public opinion, particularly from within the EU, finally begins shifting towards the Palestinians, that this would in turn affect mainstream public opinion in the US which would then force the hand of the oligarchs. But of course the main stream public aren’t reading MW! They get fed whatever the oligarchs want to feed them as they control the msm in any case. Is that a fair appraisal?

        Question. What needs to happen to get the oligarchs to change and what can we all do to speed it up?

    • Mikhael
      Mikhael
      November 9, 2014, 8:59 pm

      Bornajoo November 7, 2014, 6:47 pm
      @yonah
      My mother was born in Iraq and her family were there for generations before that. Her culture is completely Arab; language, music, food… Absolutely everything until this day and Arabic is still her first language. When she was quite young her family moved to bahrain which she always describes as her golden years. According to her and other members of the family there was never any problem in their entire history of living in those countries UNTIL the zionist project gathered steam which resulted in the naqba.

      Before the zionist project the Jews who lived in those Arab countries were respected, had religious freedom and also held positions of power and influence. It all changed, understandably, when the zionists showed up in force.

      There is a lot of mythology and propaganda about how the arabs always hated the Jews and this is what the majority of Jews believe today. I’m afraid it’s simply not true.

      You’re engaging in gross oversimpfication on a greater scale than those you accuse of propaganda. While some people who defend Israel and Zionism overemphasize the periods of discrimination and persecution that Jews in the Arab and Muslim world endured for polemical reasons, neither it is the case that Jews living under Arab/Muslim rule always lived in a utopia of brotherhood and amity with their non-Jewish neighbors. The truth is that over the course of more than a thousand years, there were periods of persecution and discrimination towards Jews in various Arab and Muslim countries that alternated with periods of relative tolerance and acceptance, with some examples of individual Jews who rose to high positions. What there never was was full equality for Jews under Islamic rule, except when Arab countries were under partial or full European control

      Jews were massacred in Baghdad in 1941 in the “farhud” pogrom, this occured years before the so-called “nakba”. Arab mobs attacked Jews in Jerusalem in the 1920s and did not discriminate between Mizrahi, Sefaradi and Ashkenazi Jews. My father’s uncle Nissim was not spared being slashed because he was supposedly a fellow Jewish Arab. There were sporadic bouts of mob violence and official persecution against Jews in various locales in the Middle East and North Africa interspersed with years of quiet.

      After that it was a different story and it could never be the same as before. My mother is now 81 and when she thinks back she absolutely believes that the creation of Israel was a huge mistake and was the whole cause of all of the problems faced by the Jews who previously lived in Arab countries.

      What of it? Even in Germany pre-WW2 many Jews had amicable relations with German friends and neighborsl, Of course some Jews had good neighborly relations with some of their Arab and Muslim neighbors.

      On the other hand, even in today’s Israel, it is often the case that many Arab citizens get along well with Jewish friends and neighbiors. Therefore, by your logic you should argue that life in Israel is a veritable wonderland for non-Jews.
      .

      We are from the Spanish and Portuguese Jewish sephardic community and it was after all the Ottomans who gave our ancestors refuge after being forced out of Spain in the late 15th century

      Earlier you stated that your background was from the Iraqi Jewish community, which predates the settlements of Sefaradim from the Iberian peninsula. Although Babylonian Jewry accepted certain Sefaradi liturgical and ritual customs, Sefaradi Jewish migration post-1492 Expulsion into what is now presently Iraq was negligible. Spanish-Portuguese Jews did indeed settle in other parts of the Ottoman Empire after 1492, notably North Africa, the Balkans,and present-day Syria (where some of my ancestors hailed from), and where they mixed with the local Mustarabi Jews. But while I’m sure some individual Spanish-Portuguese Jews wound up in present-day Iraq, it was surely rare.
      Jews of exclusive Babylonian (Iraqi) heritage are not “Spanish-Portuguese” Sefaradim. They may occasionally refer to themselves as “Sefaradim” in reference to nusakh ( prayer liturgy) or minhagh (ritual customs), but they are distinct from the Spanish-Portuguese Sephardic Jews, although within Israel there have been many marriages between Iraqi Jews and Sephardic Jews from the Balkans, Syria, North Africa, etc. as well as Ashkenazim. Something doesn’t ring true in your self-description as being a scion of the Iraqi-Jewish community that migrated to Bahrain (many of whom originated from Basra) and “Spanish-Portuguese” Sephardic.

  6. American
    American
    October 30, 2014, 1:38 pm

    @bornajoo

    ” we all know the origin of their mental sickness and disturbing behaviour. ”

    I am not even going to give them that out.

    Why?….because there are other Jews ( and many people in the world) who were actual victims who don’t turn into frothing at the mouth zionist or racist and do not take that attitude.

    So the difference here is in the individuals ‘characters’ .

    They are bad actors. And would be just as ‘bad’ for any other reason they could seize on.

    • just
      just
      October 30, 2014, 2:49 pm

      +1, American!

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo
      October 30, 2014, 3:01 pm

      @American
      It’s definitely not an out.
      Evil is evil regardless of where it originates from. There is no excuse. They need to be stopped
      My relatively young nieces and nephews here in the UK and a young cousin recently visiting from Israel are all products of the brainwashing and indoctrination programme and now have “evil” views. They of course would not agree with that description but after attending pro-zionist schools and having all been to Yad Vashem and Auschwitz, exposed to the constant brainwashing, they are no different to the right wing mob in the video in this article above. In fact if you put them in charge on israel today there would be a total genocide of the Palestinians tomorrow.

      But however it got here, it is here, and it needs to be stopped.

  7. peter123
    peter123
    October 30, 2014, 1:40 pm

    Someone please help me understand! When is a Zionist ever guilty of a hate crime… verbal abuse is and can be considered a crime if the person to whom it is addressed at feels threatened. “Dkye” “Bitch” or any other threat would do….I would take the recorded material and press charges…. and let the attackers deal with the consequences.

    • just
      just
      October 30, 2014, 2:35 pm

      peter123– I wish I could ‘help you understand’.

      it’s a mystery.

  8. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    October 30, 2014, 2:04 pm

    I’m sure that some standard racist and generally highly abusive language gets used in these contexts but it seems to me that Jewish people who are Zionist are overwhelmingly inclined to recall the Jewish support that was so important, maybe even so crucial, to Martin Luther King and even, by more of a stretch perhaps, to Nelson Mandela and to claim that they are strongly in favour of maintaining that anti-racist tradition. This may not be so true of Christian Zionists, I suppose.
    I’m not sure that we can really show that Zionism is just another version of white-supremacy racism. That sort of racism is something which everyone in the West has been taught to despise but if we say ‘That’s what Zionism is!’ we will find images like the one here on Mondoweiss going with the article about yet another journalist with offspring in the Israeli armed forces – we’ve all seen the jolly faces of the diverse military unit that was used in that context. Western public opinion will find that sort of image convincing. The angry, deeply religion-tinged contempt for things Islamic does draw on the well of fear for dark skin but does not feel exactly like it and is far more acceptable in these bad times. (I don’t think R. Shalom Lewis will get into that much trouble.) It may be as dangerous and destructive as Jim Crow sentiments – or even more dangerous than those sentiments ever were – but it’s a different thing.

  9. jayn0t
    jayn0t
    October 30, 2014, 10:30 pm

    “A much larger culture of bigotry and hate in Israel and among some pro-Israel supporters internationally”. Some pro-Israel supporters? It’s good to hear there are supporters of ethnic cleansing who don’t advocate bigotry and hate.

    This piece falls into the category of articles which try to make Israel look like a normal Western country, one which can be reformed to make it less ‘bigoted’. South Africa, yes. Israel, no.

  10. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    October 31, 2014, 4:31 am

    RE: “But as I walked across the street this morning, to where the Israeli lobby and supporters were . . . and one of the women viciously said to me ‘Get your Ebola self outta here.” She did, and it was caught on video. And I said, ‘Because I’m black, you’re saying that to me? That’s racist,’ and she said ‘Yes I’m a racist and get your f’ing Ebola self off of my corner; get away from me.’ . . . I reported it to one of the Long Beach police officers; he made no comment.”

    MY COMMENT: Perhaps this Long Beach police officer was trained in Israel on the use of Israeli techniques “tested in combat”!

    SEE:
    Catalan Police in Israel: repression courses “Tested In Combat” [VIDEO, 05:40] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrNmGcIFpY
    CATALAN POLICE TRAINING IN ISRAEL
    VIDEO February 16, 2014
    “Public security” training in Israel for police from Catalonia – or how to wage war on your own civilian population to protect the investments of bankster criminals!

    SOURCE – http://roblosricos.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/catalan-police-training-in-israel/

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    P.P.S. RE: “Tested In Combat” ~ from the above video on Catalan police training in Israel

    MY COMMENT – Here is a very powerful testimonial regarding the impact of Israel’s “tested in combat” marketing on policing here in the U.S.
    An Israeli Soldier’s Story – Eran Efrati [VIDEO, 40:05] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8
    Published on Mar 8, 2014
    The talk by Eran Efrati was filmed in Denver, Colorado on March 3, 2014 as part of The Soldier and the Refusenik U.S. tour with Maya Wind. Eran talks about his experiences in the IDF and then more broadly discusses Israel, its relationship to the U.S. and the global expansion of militarism.

    Bornajoo October 24, 2014, 3:37 pm
    @JLewisDickerson
    That was indeed a very powerful must-watch testimonial. Thank you for the link. More honest and courageous people from within like Eran urgently required
    The digger you deep it just becomes even more hideous, even more grotesque and even more evil.

    Reply

    MRW October 27, 2014, 12:43 am
    Everyone should see that “An Israeli Soldier’s Story – Eran Efrati [VIDEO, 40:05].”

    If you can’t stand to watch the whole thing, the last 10 minutes will do it.

    SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/there-things-around#comment-717880

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      October 31, 2014, 5:03 am

      P.P.S.
      ■ ALSO SEE: “Sheriff Ortiz goes to Israel”, by Eva Ruth Moravec, mysanantonio.com, 07/07/11

      [EXCERPTS] . . . For one week last month, Bexar County Sheriff Amadeo Ortiz swapped his cowboy hat for a yarmulke as he visited Israel on an organized trip with other law enforcement leaders.
      “I’ve always had an interest in Israel,” he said in an interview Tuesday. “It was a great conference.”
      Ortiz joined 16 other sheriffs, police chiefs and organization heads, including Houston Police Chief Charles McClelland, on a week-long trip, courtesy of the Jewish Institute for National Security’s Law Enforcement Exchange Program.
      The group toured a hospital’s trauma unit, Israeli Arab villages, sites of terrorist attacks, border crossings, police offices and the country’s security fence. Based on the itinerary, most of the sites and speeches focused on terrorism and security.
      Ortiz said he was impressed by Israel Defense Force soldiers, who he said are trained as soldiers and as police officers.
      “If we ever deploy troops along the Texas border, they should have training in being a soldier and in law enforcement,” he said…
      …The junket was Ortiz’s second organized trip to Israel: last year, Bexar County footed the bill to send him to an international conference on homeland security, he said…

      SOURCE – http://blog.mysanantonio.com/police/2011/07/sheriff-ortiz-goes-to-israel/

      ■ AND SEE: “Israel trip an eye-opening experience for Jefferson chief”, By Adina Solomon, onlineathens.com, 07/18/11

      This summer, Jefferson Police Chief Joe Wirthman went on a two-week trip 6,000 miles away, traveling across Israel with a delegation of state law enforcement officers as part of the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange.
      “It was an awesome trip,” he said. “A trip of a lifetime.”
      GILEE, which partners with Georgia State University, sends a different group of Georgia officers every summer to work with Israeli law enforcement and border control.
      Commerce Police Chief John Gaissert and University of Georgia Police Chief Jimmy Williamson also have gone in past years.

      The object of the program is to learn how Israeli police deal with terrorism every day…
      …After his trip, Wirthman is trying to think one step ahead with the Jefferson Police Department, preparing for the type of threatening situations Israel faces 24 hours a day, he said.
      “Hopefully it’ll never happen, but in this world, ‘never’ isn’t a word,” Wirthman said. “We’re not invincible here.”
      He’s also witnessed how people live their daily lives with the constant menace of terrorism, he said.
      Wirthman met one man who sends each of his children on a different bus to school. In case one of the buses is bombed, only one of his three children will be harmed.
      “I don’t know if I could raise my family under those conditions,” said Wirthman, who has three kids of his own.
      And nobody in Israel grumbles about it, he said. Instead, they have a strong national pride many Americans had only after 9/11, he said…”

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://onlineathens.com/stories/071811/jac_858627408.shtml

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 1, 2014, 1:40 pm

        “Instead, they have a strong national pride many Americans had only after 9/11, he said… “

        Gee, that’s funny, Mr Wilson, I remember a lot of feelings after 9-11, but I can’t figure how “national pride” enters into it. Everything about it was a disgrace, actually. Oh, well.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      October 31, 2014, 5:08 am

      P.P.P.S. AND SEE: “Atlanta Police Department Commander Completes International Public Safety Training”, Elizabeth Espy, APD Public Affairs Deputy Manager, Atlanta Police Public Affairs News Release

      Atlanta Police Department Commander Completes International Public Safety Training

      News Release

      Zone 4 Major Rodney Bryant learns best practices on counterterrorism

      Atlanta Police Department Major Rodney Bryant completed a two-week public safety program and exchange focused on new public safety techniques and technologies. Organized by the Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange (GILEE), Major Bryant along with 16 other senior Georgia public safety officials learned best practices on counterterrorism measures.

      “The Atlanta Police Department has supported the GILEE program since it was founded in 1992. “I am huge supporter of the GILEE Exchange Program since I visited Israel myself as a participant in this program, said Police Chief George N. Turner. “GILEE is an excellent tool to help educate and train our officers about to responding to multiple threats.”

      Major Rodney Bryant is the commander of Zone 4 and has more than 20 years of law enforcement experience. The Department regularly participates in global public safety exchanges. The Atlanta Police Leadership Institute is a leadership program that prepares all ranks for promotional opportunities. The APLI program includes training on international law enforcement issues where officers learn tactics on preventing acts of terror, responding to suspicious objects and organizing volunteers for emergency response. Additionally, this year the Atlanta Police Department has hosted several international police agencies including the Nicaraguan National Police and Israel National Police Department. . .

      ENTIRE PRESS RELEASE – http://www.atlantaga.gov/index.aspx?page=672&recordid=2912

  11. NickJOCW
    NickJOCW
    October 31, 2014, 11:38 am

    The anti-Palestinian and anti-black racism festering in these Israel supporters also manifests itself in a virulent Islamophobia. They presumably know that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, but use the racialization of Islam to present themselves as brave warriors, combating “radical Islam”—this phrase, of course, meant, through this series of connections, to refer to the Palestinian people.

    I have referred to this phenomenon elsewhere. It’s insidious and particularly dangerous when adopted by the less less well informed seeking a simple, immediate way of relating to the IP issue. This particularly applies to inhabitants of countries like China who fear potential threats from terrorist groups and can encouraged to imagine them inspired by groups ‘like Hamas’. The connection is invalid, of course. but it is beliefs not truth that determine attitudes and actions.

  12. CloakAndDagger
    CloakAndDagger
    October 31, 2014, 7:38 pm

    What’s a leftist??

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 1, 2014, 1:16 pm

      “What’s a leftist??”

      Save yourself some effort, friend. I’ve been asking that question, right here, for years and no one can tell me. Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 7, 2014, 7:37 am

        Mooser November 1, 2014, 5:30 pm

        Just saying, I mean, well, a “leftist” doesn’t sound like such a bad thing to be, when you put it that way! But all the Zionists here disparage “the left” and find it responsible for everything bad.

        The modern political Zionist movement (as opposed to the Zionism that has always been part and parcel of plain and basic ordinary Jewish belief) has always been permeated with progressive, “Leftist” ideals, exemplified in Israel’s social welfare state and laws protecting job discrimination against women and national minorities, free speech, etc.

        In today’s topsy-turvy world, self-styled “Leftists” try to con people into believing that they stand for social justice through a campaign to call for eradicating the sole Jewish state in the world and the dispersal of its citizens.

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/confrontation-highlights-relationship/comment-page-1#comment-721134

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 7, 2014, 12:56 pm

        Sure, Mikhael, it is sort of circuitous, isn’t it, like that link which leads right back to your comment?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 7, 2014, 12:58 pm

        “exemplified in Israel’s social welfare state and laws protecting job discrimination against women and national minorities, free speech, etc.”

        Mikhael, please, allright already? I’m Jewish, I’m 61 years old, and I grew up with Zionism and Israel. Go sell somebody else that load of clams.

      • annie
        annie
        November 10, 2014, 12:14 am

        61? omg! ’53? me too. astrologically we have so much in common. ;)

      • annie
        annie
        November 10, 2014, 12:19 am

        oh wow,i see mikhael has linked back to himself in this mini subthread, how …like…, circular. or something. seriously, we read your crap the first time.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 10, 2014, 11:25 am

        “61? omg! ’53? me too. astrologically we have so much in common.”

        Okay, you caught me. I can never remember exactly (to the year) how old I am anymore, or what year I was born. It all happened a long time ago.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      November 1, 2014, 1:52 pm

      What’s a leftist??

      Someone who doesn’t support racial supremacy and crimes against humanity, basically an anti-Nazi. That’s why Hitler had to get rid of them before he murdered Jews.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 1, 2014, 5:30 pm

        “Someone who doesn’t support racial supremacy and crimes against humanity, basically an anti-Nazi.”

        Just saying, I mean, well, a “leftist” doesn’t sound like such a bad thing to be, when you put it that way! But all the Zionists here disparage “the left” and find it responsible for everything bad.
        Hard to know what to think.

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 9, 2014, 9:55 pm

        Mooser November 7, 2014, 12:58 pm

        Mikhael, please, allright already? I’m Jewish, I’m 61 years old, and I grew up with Zionism and Israel. Go sell somebody else that load of clams.

        You grew up? When did that happen? Do you actually think that asserting your age actually proves that you’re well-informed about Israel? Well, I’m 44 years old and I’ve spent over half of my life in Israel, I was born to Israeli parents (and my father’s family has lived there for centuries), I served in the IDF, I speak, read and write Hebrew with native fluency and know some Arabic. But your ability to malapropistically spit out some occasional Yiddish vulgarisms really establishes you as a bona fide MOT whose opinion matters and the fact that you clam that you “grew up with Zionism and Israel” puts my actual, real-life experience and knowledge to shame.

    • annie
      annie
      November 10, 2014, 12:31 am

      in the US leftists is a term used by the rightwing to describe their adversaries on the left. very few people on the left self describe themselves as leftists, except perhaps in the UK. maybe the author (ben)doesn’t know this. personally i find it weird anytime when people adopt the descriptor their adversaries use to describe them (argh, does that make sense),but leftist is not a word americans on the left use to self identify. it may be different in europe, not sure.

  13. TwoRedDogs
    TwoRedDogs
    November 1, 2014, 12:04 am

    It seems LA is no different than NY. A liberal Jewish friend in her 60s, has quite a few right wing friends. Back in 2007-2008 during the primaries my friend frequently forwarded group emails she would receive from zionists that trashed Obama as being Muslim etc. She tells me that even now, at dinner parties that’s the topic of discussion. But being stupid enough to show their racism in public tells you the size of their PR problem.

    Even in NYT, some of the islamophobic comments are way over the top. These are the same folks who see antisemitism behind every criticism. Either they are living in a bubble and don’t realize how it comes across , or they just don’t care.

    It’s been over 13 years now that they are trying to capitalize on 9/11 to turn the west against Islam, and are mad as hell they haven’t had any success with moderate Christians and progressives in general. It’s pretty sad to watch them in action.

  14. Mikhael
    Mikhael
    November 5, 2014, 10:56 pm

    Racism exists among some of those who identify as pro-Israel just as it does in some segments broader Jewish community. Likewise, it is also widespread in the Arab and Muslim communities.

    Those who know Arabic are familiar with the casual use of term “abd” (slave) to refer to black people, both in the US and in the Middle East. Black Arabs often report discrimination by white Arabs. Racist depictions of blacks are not unknown in the Arab world.

    The fact that racism exists among some segments of Arab society is not sufficient to discredit the just calls for Palestinian Arab self-determination in a state to be to be established alongside the Jewish state of Israel.

    • annie
      annie
      November 6, 2014, 12:08 am

      iow “Racism exists among some of those who identify as pro-Israel”

      but in Arab and Muslim communities it is “widespread” ?

      ha! bias much?

      Those who know Arabic are familiar with the casual use of term “abd” (slave) to refer to black people

      do tell, what’s the hebrew word for the equivalent? those protesters in the streets calling for the africans to get out of the country, what do the racist hebrew speakers cal them?

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 7, 2014, 7:30 am

        Annie Robbins November 6, 2014, 12:08 am
        iow “Racism exists among some of those who identify as pro-Israel”

        but in Arab and Muslim communities it is “widespread”

        ha! bias much?

        Huh? It’s biased of me to call out your bias?

        Oh, I forgot. Countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by mentioning that racism also exists in Arab society is tantamount to racism against Arabs. I’m such a stupid racist hypocrite, I didn’t realize it until you enlightened me. Arabs, even the white Arabs (unlike other white ethnic groups), are incapable of expressing any racist sentiment, because they themselves are forever oppressed and victimized.

        I’m going to be more racist (I can’t help myself) and link to a blog in Arabic which had screen captures of tweets in Arabic spewing gleeful venom on the reports of the death of Golani Staff Sgt Moshe Malko, an IDF soldier of Ethiopian-Jewish heritage, who fell in battle during Protective Edge.

        http://blackinegypt.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B9%D9%86%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D9%84-%D8%AC%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%89-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%89/

        Now, I guess he deserved the vitriol for being a Zionist, but Tweeters like Saadah Abuhasna called him “يا سود الكلب ” –a black dog–and others used phrases like “Oh, African, oh pig!–ya afriki, ya khanzir– (يا افريقي يا خنزير).

        do tell, what’s the hebrew word for the equivalent? those protesters in the streets calling for the africans to get out of the country, what do the racist hebrew speakers cal them?

        I don’t hang out with racist Hebrew speakers, nor have I been at any of the handful of protests against the undocumented migrants living in Israel, so I can’t answer that. “Kushi” is a Hebrew word that can have a pejorative connotation in today’s Hebrew, although a generation ago, it was a neutral term. But I haven’t seen coverage where that term was specifically used against the undocumented in the protests against the High Court’s ruling regarding the detention centers, although no doubt many Hebrew-speaking Israelis are comfortable using it just as many Arabs say <abd casually. In my opinion, calling some a “kushi”, which refers to the Biblical Ethiopia, while it may grate on some ears (it’s not a term that I use) is less intrinsically insulting than referring to someone as a slave, the literal meaning of عبد abd/i>.The protestors at the anti-migrant rallies, as far as I can see from coverage of the events, are using the word מסתננים —mistananim” which means “infiltrators”, and it applies to anyone who enters Israel illegally, whether African or not. “Infiltrators” is an accurate term that applies to many of these people. Among those Israelis frustrated with illegal migration and the government’s inability to control it are Israeli Jews of Ethiopian descent and Arab citizens of Israel. Personally, I think Israel has a duty to evaluate refugee claims and provide temporary asylum and legal status to those who can demonstrate a legitimate fear of persecution in their homelands and deport the rest.

      • annie
        annie
        November 10, 2014, 12:04 am

        . Countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by mentioning that racism also exists in Arab society is tantamount to racism

        no, but countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by doubling down and claiming racism in the arab world is “widespread” is. own it mickhael, you claimed “some ” vs “widespread”, so we get the message. don’t think you can gloss over what you wrote by claiming you “mentioned.. racism also exists in Arab society”. phff. you’re pathetic. own your racism.

        Arabs, ….are incapable of expressing any racist sentiment, because they themselves are forever oppressed and victimized.

        and by all means do not fantasize you can exit your way out of this by “paraphrasing” some imaginary statement i never made. #hasbaraFAIL.

        I’m such a stupid racist hypocrite

        don’t be so hard on yourself. i never called you stupid.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 10, 2014, 11:22 am

        Annie, it’s really easy to tell how much a guy like Mikheal has been subjected to discrimination or prejudice. He has the exquisite sensitivity to it only displayed by those who know it first-hand.

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 21, 2014, 9:18 am

        Annie Robbins November 10, 2014, 12:04 am . Countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by mentioning that racism also exists in Arab society is tantamount to racism no, but countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by doubling down and claiming racism in the arab world is “widespread” is.

        No. You don’t know what the word “racism” means. “Racism” means a belief that the human species is divided into biological subcategories called “races” and believing that these “races” possess distinct genetic advantages and disadvantages relative to one another, and that it is appropriate to discriminate between these so-called races on the perceived presence or absence of these traits. Nothing that I have written indicates any such belief on my part, because I don’t harbor such beliefs. Unless you are psychic who has the ability to know what I believe better than I do myself, you have no basis to assert that I am a racist.

        Since the original post attempted to link supporters of Zionism to anti-black racist bigots because of obnoxious statements that some pro-Israel counterprotestors made at an anti-Israel rally, it is relevant and appropriate to point out that one can find similar, obnoxious racist statements made by Palestinian Arabs as well. The fact that many white Palestinian Arabs harbor racist sentiments towards blacks and are not shy about expressing such sentiments does not negate the right of the Palestinian Arab People to political self-determination in their own independent and sovereign state, a right that I, as a Zionist, wholeheartedly support. The fact that some supporters of Zionism also are not shy about expressing racist and bigoted sentiments does not detract from the Jewish People’s right for continued independence in their own state either.

        own it mickhael, you claimed “some ” vs “widespread”, so we get the message. don’t think you can gloss over what you wrote by claiming you “mentioned.. racism also exists in Arab society”. phff. you’re pathetic. own your racism.

        That’s absolutely right. I did say “some” versus “widespread.” I acknowledged that some Jews, including some Israeli Jews, harbor terribly racist beliefs. And yes, I assert that such beliefs are far more widespread and common among Arabs. My experiences with Arabs and my experiences with Jews lead me to believe that this is a true statment; this is, of course, a subjective impression. Even if this belief could somehow be proven wrong and shown, perhaps by means of unassailably scientifically accurate polls proving that the opposite is true, that Jews, Israelis and Zionists are far far more likely to harbor and express racist sentiments than Arabs and Palestinians, my having asserted that it is “widespread” among Arabs and only found among “some” Jews would still not be evidence of a racist allegation. Refer back to what the word “racism” means, because you clearly do not know how to use this common and simple word in the English language correctly.

      • annie
        annie
        November 21, 2014, 2:54 pm

        “Racism” means a belief that the human species is divided into biological subcategories called “races”…

        i was referencing the common/legal definition which is also the basis our hate crime laws are.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Legal

        first listing under heading of definitions

        “2 Definitions
        2.1 Legal”

        :

        Legal

        The UN does not define “racism”; however, it does define “racial discrimination”: According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

        the term “racial discrimination” shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[25]

        This definition does not make any difference between discrimination based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among anthropologists.[26] Similarly, in British law the phrase racial group means “any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin”.[27]

        countering examples of racist expressions by Jews by doubling down and claiming racism in the arab world is “widespread” is racist.

        point out that one can find similar, obnoxious racist statements made by Palestinian Arabs as well.

        but you didn’t do that. you called it widespread.

      • annie
        annie
        November 21, 2014, 3:13 pm

        , I assert that such beliefs are far more widespread and common among Arabs. My experiences with Arabs and my experiences with Jews lead me to believe that this is a true statment; this is, of course, a subjective impression. Even if this belief could somehow be proven wrong and shown, perhaps by means of unassailably scientifically accurate polls proving that the opposite is true, that Jews, Israelis and Zionists are far far more likely to harbor and express racist sentiments than Arabs and Palestinians, my having asserted that it is “widespread” among Arabs and only found among “some” Jews would still not be evidence of a racist allegation.

        you mean if i claimed racism in the jewish community was widespread because based on my experiences with Jews it lead me to believe that this is a true statement that you would not think it was anti semitic?

        well that’s comforting. i’ll have to remember that. and by the way claiming something is a subjective impression doesn’t protect the subjective from charges of racism. many times, like for instance your statement, it buttresses those charges.

        and in case you were not aware, there are billions of arabs in the world (i think) so there’s literally no way your “subjective impression” could possibly be based on more that a minute fraction of them.

        whereas, the primary angst (as far as i know) against jews in the arab world is their support for a political construct (zionism) which has underlying racist implications, including ethnic cleansing and other sorted details, iow, it is political in nature.

        whereas, the zionist community knows this perfectly well which is why, strategically, they have accused their political adversaries with a blanket wide brush accusation of racism by claiming anti zionism (in and of itself) is anti semitic (iow racist based on the legal definition of racism i just cited). so this is a little orwellian jiu jitsu hasbarists are very adept at akin to claiming the removal of occupants living in illegal, jewish only, apartheid, colonial settlements that require the removal of the earlier inhabitants based on their ethnicity, is in fact an ethnic cleansing of jews!!!!

        but this stuff doesn’t fool anyone. and as for revisiting old threads where your argument got trounced 3 weeks earlier to squeeze in the last word; phff.

        good day.

  15. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 7, 2014, 12:50 pm

    “Personally, I think Israel has a duty to evaluate refugee claims and provide temporary asylum and legal status to those who can demonstrate a legitimate fear of persecution in their homelands and deport the rest.”

    So do I! I think every person all over the world who makes aliyah should be carefully checked, to see if they really are Jewish, all Jewish, no halfisies and quarter-Jews! And how many generations Jewish? Let’s just say you have a one-in-ten-tribes shot at it.

    I’m tired of people without a real claim getting into the Promise Land.

    • Mikhael
      Mikhael
      November 9, 2014, 6:23 pm

      Mooser
      November 7, 2014, 12:50 pm <So do I! I think every person all over the world who makes aliyah should be carefully checked, to see if they really are Jewish, all Jewish, no halfisies and quarter-Jews! And how many generations Jewish?

      Israel is not a theocratic state (though some elements in Israeli society wish it to be so) and thus people who are not Jewish per the dictates of halakha but are of provable Jewish ancestry (and their non-Jewish spouses, children or stepchildren) are eligible to make aliyah under the Law of Return. This is right and just, as people of Jewish ancestry also trace their origins to this country and have links to the Jewish People, and, moreover, can be subject to persecution or discrimination for having Jewish familial background. This was the case in Nazi Germany and the USSR. Those who are of half or quarter-Jewish ancestry who make aliyah have the right to take their immediate family members who have no Jewish ancestry. Again, this is right and just. Israel also has a moral duty to provide temporary asylum to *legitimate* refugees, of whatever origin. It has fulfilled this mandate in the past and should in the present. It has no obligation to allow permanent residency or grant citizenship to economic migrants, whether they have arrived legally and overstayed their temporary work visas or whether they have infiltrated the country illegally.

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