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I got chills up my spine from watching this exchange. The casualness in which the man expresses his sense of entitlement, reveals something so extraordinary about how racism is embedded and reinforced within Jewish Israeli society.

Here’s the transcript:

Woman: I have a right that no one will search my bag. If a policeman comes here, with a license, then I agree. If you don’t have a license, then regarding private things, I do not cede to anyone [letting them] check me.

Man:  It’s not that terrible.

Passengers: She is right.

Passengers: She is not right.

Woman: If you don’t feel safe, then simply please call the police.

Passengers: She is not right.

Passengers: Why?

Woman: If you feel unsafe then simply, I have no problem….

Man: If there’s anything suspicious, we need to check, that’s all.

Woman: Suspicious? What do you mean by that? Explain to me what suspicious means. My head scarf is suspicious? That’s what frightens you? So get off [the bus].

Man:  It’s not something personal.

Passenger:  It’s very insulting. I am a citizen here. I’m also an Arab

Woman: The fact you define us [inaudible] a person who is on the bus.

Man:   Both of us agree that this is an unpleasant situation. It’s embarrassing, it’s shaming and it’s insulting.

Woman: Not only embarrassing and insulting…

Man:  Then what?

Woman: It’s the matter of “security”.

Man:   Now, listen to me. I am only posing a request. I can tell you that I am studying a lot about Islam and Quran, and I really identify with the Arabic culture. You don’t know that I am…

Woman: It’s not a matter of culture.

Man:  Listen for a second. listen. I know, I know about all the sensitivities. I also worked for many years with a mixed population. What I am saying, since we are all now in a very…all the Israelis are in a very tense situation now. That’s something objective.

Passenger:  Me too, I am not in a safe situation now.

Some of the other people on the bus normalize this man’s request by their agreement, some by their silence, as if it’s the most natural thing for any Jewish person to have the right to request inspection of any Palestinian person anywhere, simply as a matter of course. The blond girl also trying to convince the woman, it’s mind-boggling.

David Remnick writes in an article in the NewYorker, Israel’s One-State Reality,

 More explicitly jingoistic and racist elements now operate closer to the center of Israeli political life. Some well-known figures in the religious world speak openly in an anti-democratic rhetoric of Jewish supremacy—“strength and victimhood all melded together,” as one Israeli friend put it to me.

This rhetoric of Jewish supremacy, how are people supposed to live around and deal with this mentality? That is a serious question.

Translation and subtitles by Ronnie Barkan 

(Hat tip Ofer Neiman)

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  1. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    November 11, 2014, 3:36 pm

    “I know about all the sensitivities. I also worked for many years with a mixed population.”

    Some of my best friends are Negroes.

    • Accentitude
      Accentitude
      November 12, 2014, 6:18 am

      That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read this. I’m not racist; I have black friends. Oh, why didn’t you say so? Well in that case…..

      Only racists use such a stupid defense against being racist and the fact that they don’t see how racist they are is even worse.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 12, 2014, 1:51 pm

        The usual lead in to a racist tirade begins with !!, “I am not a racist , BUT”. Such people deny vociferously they are racist and then go ahead and contradict themselves.

    • bilal a
      bilal a
      November 12, 2014, 2:21 pm

      amazing description of #JSIL by Max Blumenthal on norway tv

      http://tv.nrk.no/serie/urix/NNFA53111114/11-11-2014

      • annie
        annie
        November 12, 2014, 5:17 pm

        that was an awesome interview. thanks for posting.

  2. ckg
    ckg
    November 11, 2014, 4:00 pm

    By the way, Remnick’s entire article, although it’s behind a paywall, can easily be viewed in the Google cache.

  3. American
    American
    November 11, 2014, 4:33 pm

    ” This rhetoric of Jewish supremacy, how are people supposed to live around and deal with this mentality? That is a serious question.”

    The answer is no one is suppose to live with ethnic or religious supremacy–not in Israel , not in the US and not any where else.
    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  4. just
    just
    November 11, 2014, 5:16 pm

    reminds me of this great woman:

    http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509261001/1000509261001_2119569664001_Rosa-Parks-Legacy.jpg

    Israel is nuts. thanks, Annie. this is indeed chilling.

    • peter123
      peter123
      November 12, 2014, 2:50 pm

      Like it or not nations including Israel have started a course of reality that have the foundations of a mental illness.

  5. bilal a
    bilal a
    November 11, 2014, 5:24 pm

    Jewish supremacy—“strength and victimhood all melded together”

    This isn’t an Israeli characteristic, its a global phenomenon, and Remnik cant see it

    consider the Jews only critics of Israel, eg International Jewish Anti-Zionist network (IJAN)

    http://ijsn.net/

    They carry on an anti-zionist critique within an apartheid organizational framework Nd dont notice the irony. Self interest propels them into an externalization of the characteristic to a foreign other, its them not me., all the while they benefit from a position of privilege, discrimination, networking, etc.

    Israel is the scapegoat for a global problem.

    • annie
      annie
      November 11, 2014, 8:37 pm

      did remnik call it an exclusively israeli characteristic? even when he said “Some well-known figures in the religious world speak openly in an anti-democratic rhetoric of Jewish supremacy”

      i’m sure he knows there are american jews who agree with this.

      and why would you say “the Jews only critics of Israel, eg International Jewish Anti-Zionist network (IJAN) ”

      i am sure there are many jews critical of israel who are not part of ijan. there are many jews critical of israel who are not part of any group. and what is this “apartheid organizational framework”? because they self identify as jews? how is that in and of itself an “apartheid organizational framework”. sheesh. nag nag nag.

    • Accentitude
      Accentitude
      November 12, 2014, 6:20 am

      It may be a global phenomenon but in too indeed is an Israeli characteristic. Anyone of the “other kind” living in Israel or the West Bank is thoroughly aware of just how much this characteristic is woven into Israeli society.

    • Horizontal
      Horizontal
      November 12, 2014, 9:46 am

      bilal a ~

      As an American taxpayer I’d appreciate your short list of things that I’m allowed to legitimately criticize Israel about.

      Thanks. No rush.

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        November 12, 2014, 12:36 pm

        @ Horizontal,

        You ff-ng anti S…

        You ff-ing anti P…

        You…

        Taxpayer, you say?

        We’ve got an Iron Fist on sale in aisle 6… right next to the Iron Dome… and a rusty bridge…

    • Tigger
      Tigger
      November 15, 2014, 6:40 am

      Your comment – Israel is the scapegoat for a global problem – rather reminds me of the fellow arrested for murdering his wife, who complained that, in the light of global warming, the police had better things to do with their time.
      But this, apart from the shouting and ranting of Zionists when one confronts them face to face, appears to be the stock response.
      (Of course, when you can’t justify your actions, what else can you do except either scream or try to divert attention?)

  6. November 11, 2014, 5:38 pm

    Such a display of absolute ignorance.

  7. Talkback
    Talkback
    November 11, 2014, 6:08 pm

    He’s a wearing a kippa. Very suspicious. Check him for demolition orders.

  8. eljay
    eljay
    November 11, 2014, 6:32 pm

    >> Man: … What I am saying, since we are all now in a very…all the Israelis are in a very tense situation now. That’s something objective.

    Since all Israelis are in “a very tense situation”, does a non-Jewish Israeli person who feels that “there’s anything suspicious” with another person have the same right to demand “to check, that’s all” the bags of that person, even if that person appears to be Jewish Israeli?

    Surely “something objective” like that applies to all Israelis…yes?

    • Horizontal
      Horizontal
      November 12, 2014, 9:43 am

      I was struck how he said it’s “not personal,” like they’r talking about the weather and not tensions created by the very nature of Israel’s ongoing Zionist policies.

      Ingrained entitlement mixed with paranoia.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 12, 2014, 10:04 am

        >> Horizontal: I was struck how he said it’s “not personal,” …

        Had a non-Jewish Israeli person been grilling him, he likely would have argued that, at the very least, it was very personal and even anti-Semitic. (He may also have argued that it was Holocaust, Iran and (the) Hamas.)

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 12, 2014, 1:56 pm

        I was struck how he said it’s “not personal,” like they’r talking about the weather and not tensions created by the very nature of Israel’s ongoing Zionist policies.Horizontal.

        It not personal, it,s just business.These people could make the same claim just before they shoot you.

  9. OyVey00
    OyVey00
    November 11, 2014, 8:36 pm

    As much as I dislike defending Israel, labeling this incident as racism is ridiculous. Israel is not a peaceful country, but a society in a perpetual state of war. And with the recent unrests, it’s understandable that people are afraid of terrorist attacks.

    Since Jews have no reason to attack Israeli buses, of course that fear focuses on the Arab population and causes people to be wary of them. That’s not racism, it’s common sense.

    There’s alot of footage featuring actual racism against gentiles in Israel, but this isn’t one.

    • annie
      annie
      November 11, 2014, 8:52 pm

      it’s common sense for a person to impose on someone to asked to see the contents of their purse on a commute home after work. are you kidding me? the society is in a perpetual state of occupation in which they are the occupier. it’s been decades. by your definition it’s perfectly understandable why any jew in palestine/israel should be able to impose on any person wearing a hijab (in a country that claims all citizens are equal) just for stepping out of the house. what if it’s a child, and 8 year old? is it ok for a kid to walk up to an adult woman and make her show him the contents of her purse? in a normal society people just call the police when they think they are in danger. and what about all the violence towards palestinians, do you also think it understandable for them to walk up to a jewish person and search them? say in hebron? yeah right. and you have respect for netanyahu to as i recall. “he is a genuine Jewish nationalist and does what the head of a state is supposed to do – serving his people.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/oyvey00#sthash.WJBtng2R.dpuf whoopie. i guess a head of state is supposed to ramp up society into a racist frenzy which is one of his specialties. (but you dislike defending israel— hmm)

      racism is judging a person strictly by their appearance without taking their actions into consideration. there’s no excuse for it in a civilized country.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        November 12, 2014, 1:14 am

        The women was 100% right and I admire her defense. That said, this was a security issue, not a racism.

        All women, Jews and Arabs, have their bags searched at entrances to malls and buildings. Men are sometimes asked if they’re carrying a weapon.

        This is Israel. Sorry.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 12, 2014, 4:46 am

        Annie, heer is a slightly different vie of nietanyahu.

        “Netanyahu’s modus operandi is always the same: He does everything in his power to torpedo any possible agreement with the Palestinians, and then exploits the frustration created by his rejectionism to inflame the atmosphere. He sets absurd preconditions for beginning negotiations (like recognizing Israel as the Jews’ nation state), and then, after the Palestinian frustration has become tangible in the streets, “invites everyone who demonstrates against Israel and in favor of the Palestinian state to move there; we won’t put any obstacles in your path.”

        Netanyahu systematically reverses cause and effect. His goal is to portray the aggressor as the victim and the victim as the aggressor. He refuses to discuss substantive issues like borders, dividing Jerusalem and the right of return, then, after anger erupts on the Palestinian side and spills over into Israel’s Arab citizens as well, he instructs his interior minister to look into revoking the citizenship of Arab Israelis who demonstrated against the state or attacked policemen. “haaretz eitorial

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.62598

        You can read the whole article , there is no pay wall on this .

      • OyVey00
        OyVey00
        November 12, 2014, 5:34 am

        You’re putting words in my mouth. What that guy did was unlawful, but understandable considering the recent attacks in Jerusalem.

        Racial profiling may not be political correct, but it is used by law enforcement agencies all over the world, as it actually works and prevents crimes. There is simply a greater risk that an Arab will blow up an Israeli bus than a Jew will. That’s just how it is.

        “racism is judging a person strictly by their appearance without taking their actions into consideration. there’s no excuse for it in a civilized country.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/exchange-embedded-israeli#comment-721994

        Everyone judges strangers by their appearance, because, guess what? You do not know them. Even YOU do it. It only becomes wrong if you cling to your prejudice despite having evidence for the contrary (i.e. “all arabs are terrorists” – “hmm, that guy seems peaceful though” – “nvm, he’s an arab so he’s a terrorist”).

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 12, 2014, 10:09 am

        >> Jackdaweee:
        >> The women [sic] was 100% right … That said, this was a security issue, not a racism.

        If she is right, then it was racism and not a security issue.

        >> All women, Jews and Arabs, have their bags searched at entrances to malls and buildings.

        The woman in the story was on a bus, not at the entrance to a mall or building. Do all Jewish women on buses have their bags searched for “a security issue”?

        >> This is Israel. Sorry.

        You’re not sorry.

      • Chu
        Chu
        November 12, 2014, 11:23 am

        If Israelis are so concerned about their security, why not get separate bus lines? That way the Israeli (Jew) can feel secure in the land it’s taken by force & connivance for 60+ years. What’s important is that the emotional well-being of Israelis are satisfied.
        And while they are at it, give back the occupied land, and their sense of well being and security will dramatically increase.

      • annie
        annie
        November 12, 2014, 5:42 pm

        That said, this was a security issue, not a racism.

        you target people for ethnic cleasning because of their ethnicity, then you’re paranoid they’ll respond, which they do like any sane person, then you practice collective punishment against the ethnicity whose land you’re trying to settle steal and bulldoze their homes, then you claim it’s not racist and merely security when you defend any citizen of one ethnicity frisking anyone of the other ethnicity at will, but not the other way around..because you think they are suspicious? and you think it’s not racist!

        the “security” will always be racially oriented because the vast majority of the demography of the holyland was not jewish until zionism came along and decided to colonize the place, therefor to create a majority state those “others” (BASED ON religion/ETHNICITY) were targeted. so please, don’t give me this crap israel’s security is not racist in nature, because it is. the state is built on the blood of palestinians, their land, their home for thousands of years. the only way zionism can exist in a fundamentally non-racist state is if it manifested itself in a place with no other people. some island somewhere with no previous inhabitants would have been perfect. i could care less if 1/2 the globes jews want to live together and control their own state as long as it didn’t require the death and imprisonment and submission and of others.

        and amigo, thanks for the link.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 16, 2014, 6:25 pm

        @ Jackdaw
        “All women, Jews and Arabs, have their bags searched at entrances to malls and buildings. Men are sometimes asked if they’re carrying a weapon”

        A) You’re spouting nonsense
        B) This incident was on a bus

        “This is Israel. Sorry”

        Yes, so you should be.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      November 12, 2014, 1:20 am

      “Since Jews have no reason to attack Israeli buses, of course that fear focuses on the Arab population and causes people to be wary of them. That’s not racism, it’s common sense.”

      And if the Israeli Jews were suspicious, common sense would be to call a policeman. Indeed, the woman herself suggested that.

      • OyVey00
        OyVey00
        November 12, 2014, 9:21 am

        Yes, that’s what should’ve been done. I never suggested what that guy did was alright. But it also certainly wasn’t proof of racism, rather hysteria.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 12, 2014, 10:14 am

        >> OyVey00: But it also certainly wasn’t proof of racism, rather hysteria.

        So…it’s not racism if it’s just hysteria based on someone’s “Arab-like” appearance. Interesting. Is it also not racism if it’s just hysteria based on someone’s “Jew-like” appearance?

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 12, 2014, 11:06 am

        “Jews have no reason to attack Israeli buses”

        There was a time that this happened every Saturday morning. Stones were prepared in advance early on Friday by the ultras and placed in barrels along the bus routes. I don’t know if this still going on.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 11:42 am

        “But it also certainly wasn’t proof of racism, rather hysteria.”

        Hysteria? Israeli men have wombs? Now, that is a real new Zionist man!

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        November 12, 2014, 1:12 pm

        :All women, Jews and Arabs, have their bags searched at entrances to malls and buildings. Men are sometimes asked if they’re carrying a weapon. This is Israel. Sorry”.

        Jackdaw, you happen to notice they’re on a bus? They aren’t in a mall or a building they’re on a freaking bus and she had her bags or belongings checked at some point before she even got on the dang bus if she boarded in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Netanya, Haifa, etc., by a guard employed there to do exactly that, check peoples bags or even check their persons with a wand if they are a shade too brown. It’s guards that ask for your bag, not some schmuck on a bus in a stupid ass uniform who things he’s king of the mountain and can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

        “This is Israel. Sorry.” Translation: “This is Israel. We do whatever we damn well feel like because (insert your favorite justification for the occupation/apartheid/racism here).

      • tod77
        tod77
        November 12, 2014, 7:27 pm

        It might be hysteria, and it might be that a few of the people on the bus were unsettled by the “tense” situation in Israel, and would not have reacted in hysteria otherwise – but that’s just a lame excuse for the wrong misdeed. The really unsettling (disgusting) thing about the video is the fact that the guy in uniform has a sense of entitlement. A feeling that in uniform he can do whatever he wants to non-jews.
        I really hated the title of this article, because I don’t like taking singular instances of one person committing a crime as proof of misdoings of a society as a whole, (I’m not saying Israel isn’t drowning in racism, I’m saying this video doesn’t reveal that), but you do get a sense of what arab citizens of Israel have to go through at the innumerable checkpoints, security checks, airports and the like. This guy might represent 10% of Israeli population or he might represent 90% – but take a @$#(profanity self-censored) guy like this and put him in the wrong place, with a uniform and gun, and you make the life of a whole population living hell.
        In Israel, it is very easy for any Israeli jew to get a uniform, a gun and a job in the wrong place.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 5:09 pm

        “This guy might represent 10% of Israeli population or he might represent 90%”

        Isn’t that sort of irrelevant if the Israeli guy with the gun has the law, or the authorities on his side?

        Let’s say the guy on the bus actually represents a small minority of Israelis, no more than 25-35%. It happens to be the 30% which is in power, and I don’t think they have any intention of letting the other Israelis tell them what to do.

    • amigo
      amigo
      November 12, 2014, 4:39 am

      “Israel is not a peaceful country, but a society in a perpetual state of war. And with the recent unrests, it’s understandable that people are afraid of terrorist attacks. ” Oy Vey00

      You joke , surely.Israel is busy every day stealing land , oppressing and killing Palestinians and you dare to suggest that Israeli Jews have a right to further insult Arab Israeli “Citizens” by presuming to search their bags to keep themselves comfortable and feeling safe.

      Zionist apologists just get more and more ridiculous.

    • talknic
      talknic
      November 12, 2014, 6:24 am

      @ OyVey00 ” Since Jews have no reason to attack Israeli buses.”

      Uh huh. http://972mag.com/watch-israeli-jews-attack-palestinian-on-public-bus/93003/

      ” .. of course that fear focuses on the Arab population…”

      Uh huh. http://wp.me/pDB7k-19Y far more than 20%

      ” That’s not racism, it’s common sense.”

      It’s racism, to the point of denying Arab Jews their proper history. To deny people their proper history isn’t common sense, it’s idiocy.

    • talknic
      talknic
      November 12, 2014, 7:41 am

      @ OyVey00 ” Israel is not a peaceful country…”

      True. Almost immediately on acceptance into the UN Israel was illegally demanding non-Israeli territories and ignoring UNSC resolutions and the Conciliation Commission

      Israel is drenched in war. It was was recognized and accepted for UN Membership while at war in non-Israeli territories, while occupying non-Israeli territories, while it was illegally claiming non-Israeli territories and while it was illegally settling its citizens in non-Israeli territories.

      Israel has had troops in non-Israeli territories for 66 years, protecting Israeli citizens who have no right to be illegally in territories the Israeli Govt claimed were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

      Israel had already illegally acquired by war large tracts of non-Israeli territory by 1949 none of which have ever been legally annexed to Israel.

      Now theZionist Movement‘s state apparatus lies to Israelis, selling them land in territory not yet belonging to the State of Israel, endangering Israeli civilian lives by lying about the GC’s and the illegal settlements, lying about the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem and lying about 66 years of occupying non-Israeli territory, lies to the world, lies to itself.

      “… but a society in a perpetual state of war.”

      Go bitch to the Israeli Government, it has been Israel since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) illegally acquiring other folks territory by war. No one has ever made an illegal claim on or illegally annexed anything of Israel’s.

      Now Israel is so far in the ‘facts on the ground’ sh*te, it cannot afford to adhere to the law, it must negotiate a plea bargain with the Palestinians in order to circumvent the law under which it would be required to withdraw, take its illegal settlers, pay reparations AND allow RoR of its Arab Israeli citizens of 1948. But in a true sign of insanity, the Jewish state continues to demand more and more non-Israeli territory, without any legal basis what so ever.

      ” And with the recent unrests, it’s understandable that people are afraid of terrorist attacks”

      Let ’em complain to the Zionist Movement’s state, who by occupying another people and by illegally claiming occupied territory create an environment where there is very likely to be violent repercussions. That’s why GC IV applies to ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power, in order to protect them Now I ask, what sort of a sick govt encourages people to break laws that have been adopted to protect them?

      “There’s alot of footage featuring actual racism against gentiles in Israel, but this isn’t one.

      Care to point one out that isn’t defended by the usual Ziopoop?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      November 12, 2014, 8:37 am

      “That’s not racism, it’s common sense.”

      Sure, after all this looting and stealing of Palestinian property since 1948 we should also check the bags of any Israeli whearing a kippa or other Jewish symbols, because that alone makes him or her look “suspicous”, too, right? That’s not racism, but “common sense”, right?

    • American
      American
      November 12, 2014, 1:15 pm

      ” There’s alot of footage featuring actual racism against gentiles in Israel, but this isn’t one. -..OyVey

      I am sure you understand Isr’s ‘security issues’ are brought on by its own racism, ethnic/religo choseness and victim entitlement greed.

  10. ivri
    ivri
    November 12, 2014, 8:15 am

    Please, Annie, is it so surprising that a century old, occasionally real bloody, gives rise to such undesirable phenomena? Also consider what you constantly hear from the other side (e.g how Jews and Israelis are presented in Palestinian material) .
    That`s an inevitable bad outcome from a conflict so long and so loaded emotionally. The continual almost life and death struggle here does not elicit from people, particularly the weaker part of society, their better side.
    The hope is though that further normalization of relations – it can happen as it did in Europe! – will marginalize such views and their holders.

    • Horizontal
      Horizontal
      November 12, 2014, 11:23 am

      Care to elaborate exactly what that “normalization of relations” might look like and how we’re going to get there?

      Somehow I don’t think the Palestinians are going to be too pleased by it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 11:35 am

        Horizontal, what I can’t figure out is why all these guys are so worried about whether they are “normal” or not. They are all hoping Israel will do something which will make them feel “normal”?
        Can’t figure it out.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 12, 2014, 11:30 am

      ”Please, Annie, is it so surprising that a century old, occasionally real bloody, gives rise to such undesirable phenomena?”

      Intrinsically racist society is intrinsically racist?

      No, that’s not surprising at all.

    • American
      American
      November 12, 2014, 1:48 pm

      ivri
      November 12, 2014, 8:15 am

      Please, Annie, is it so surprising that a century old, occasionally real bloody, gives rise to such undesirable phenomena?>>>>>

      Ah, but you (zionist-israel) created the Israel ‘phenomena’..didn’t you.

      You have a inherent superior victim, eternally entitled People ‘disease’.
      That you blame on the eternal and inherent Gentile anti Semitic ‘disease’.

      The world has done its part to cure the “gentile disease”.

      What have you done to cure your own ‘disease’. ..?

      Nothing that I can see.

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      November 12, 2014, 1:54 pm

      Ivri: “consider what you constantly hear from the other side (e.g how Jews and Israelis are presented in Palestinian material)”

      How does Palestinian representation of Jews shed light on the victimization of this woman by a uniformed (and armed?) Israeli soldier?

  11. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 12, 2014, 10:54 am

    “Please, Annie, is it so surprising that a century old,…”

    “A century old? Just one century? Well, well, this is progress! Are you sure you don’t want to claim several centuries, or a couple thousand years? Gee, just a century? Within recorded history and living memory? Then maybe we could see what happened a “century ago?

    Oh but look, read the sentence. “is it so surprising that a century old, occasionally real bloody, gives rise…” “ivri” never says what this “century old, occasionally real bloody” thing is!

    Since almost any word he could use indict the Zionists and Israel, he just leaves the word out!
    Good ol’ honest “ivri”.

    • Horizontal
      Horizontal
      November 12, 2014, 11:25 am

      Yeah, I thought the exact same thing.

      It’s this . . . force . . . out there . . . somewhere . . . affecting . . . stuff . . .

  12. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 12, 2014, 11:03 am

    BTW, there’s a good little illustration here of something we should all be aware of, if we wish to call ourselves compassionate defenders of justice.

    Notice the exquisite sensitivity to racism exhibited here by our Zionists.
    The almost instinctual reflex of disgust and a desire to defend the victim! This is the kind ethics and morality people often develop when they themselves, have been the victim of discrimination and prejudice.

    And who could ever deny, who would ever want to deny, given the exhibition made by “ivri” “Jackdaw” and the rest, that the Jews have been subjected (and not just for one century, neither!) to persecution and discrimination?

    • Horizontal
      Horizontal
      November 12, 2014, 11:26 am

      Our Peanut Gallery seems particularly ruffled by this.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 12, 2014, 11:38 am

        Yes, I’m waiting for them to call it a “Rosa Parks moment” cause the Israeli guy refused to sit there and take it anymore.

  13. Chu
    Chu
    November 12, 2014, 11:14 am

    how are people supposed to live around and deal with this mentality?

    -come on. They are a start-up nation that’s had to occupy another people
    to ensure their rule. Surely if they have another 60 years to figure things out
    they’ll eventually get to some equilibrium.

  14. DoubleStandard
    DoubleStandard
    November 12, 2014, 1:11 pm

    You don’t live here. I live here. I know what it’s like to take buses and he legitimately afraid that they might be blown up. What the guy did isn’t right in an abstract moral universe, but it’s understandable given what’s going on.

    • annie
      annie
      November 12, 2014, 9:39 pm

      i never said i didn’t understand it, i understand it quite well. and considering that you live there it makes all the sense in the world why you seem to relate or sympathize with this racism. still, like you said, it doesn’t make it right.

      in fact it’s very insidious. you have to look at the big picture as well, the legislation going on right now and what’s coming out of the mouths of the politicians and citizens. you’ve just been normalized to it so you can’t recognize how gross it looks to the rest of us.

      • DoubleStandard
        DoubleStandard
        November 13, 2014, 2:59 am

        I’m not sure how it’s any different from the racial profiling that takes place in the US.

      • DoubleStandard
        DoubleStandard
        November 13, 2014, 3:01 am

        It’s not racism in the sense of “I don’t like her because she’s an Arab.” It’s ‘I don’t want to get blown up and an Arab is the only one who might do so “

      • annie
        annie
        November 13, 2014, 12:07 pm

        yes, i completely understand the “logic” you are employing. however, your fears do not supercede peoples rights. for example, after that arizona public shooting of the congressperson in a crowded outdoor place where several died and then that massacre in the movie threatre or maybe it was the columbine killing and some or all (i can’t recall frankly) had some element of non practicing jewish assailants, what if someone or ones became paranoid there may be a jewish terrorist in the movie theatre or the school and therefore it was understandable or reasonable jews should be searched. not a law mind you (although some might want a law) but just a personal decision of mine. and then i confronted (really nicely mind you) someone on a bus and said, can i check your belongings please because i don’t want to get blown up. (and for your information “arabs” are not the only people in israel/palestine committing acts of terror. so unless you also think it is reasonable and understandable for arabs to be asking to search jews there, then your ideas are quite hypocritical).

        oh, have you seen this. employee of transportation:

        by your logic we can assume to judge all jews based on this? don’t you understand the definition of racism? it doesn’t go away because you’re rationalizing it with “reasonable” fear. all racists think they are reasonable or their ideas make sense.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 13, 2014, 9:19 am

        >> DoubleStandardeee: … What the guy did isn’t right in an abstract moral universe, but it’s understandable given what’s going on.

        Gotta love that ol’ Zio-supremacist double-standard:
        – when a Jew does it to a non-Jew, it’s “understandable” because of “context” and morality has no place in the discussion; but
        – when a non-Jew does it to a Jew, it’s inexcusably anti-Semitic.

      • annie
        annie
        November 13, 2014, 1:23 pm

        I’m not sure how it’s any different from the racial profiling that takes place in the US.

        i’m against racial profiling where ever it is. the difference is that had this video been shot in the US, of a citizen practicing racial profiling on their own on a bus, there would likely a storm of public criticism following it. unlike the social media going on right now in hebrew, you would not see person after person justifying and thanking the man and calling him the equivalent of a good samaritan.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 1:28 pm

        “I’m against racial profiling…”

        Annie, I get the impression that Jackdaw thinks that “racial profiling” is a standard, accepted, legal, policing technique in the US. Maybe somebody could disabuse him of this notion? Nah, I doubt it.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 13, 2014, 8:22 am

      It’s only not right in an abstract moral universe? The fear is understandable. What is going on in between all the fear is not understandable at all nor is it permissable because of the fear, be it real (getting on a bus?) or imagined (everything between the ears of dear leader, netanyahu).

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2014, 6:21 pm

      “I know what it’s like to take buses and he legitimately afraid that they might be blown up”

      Gee, isn’t that nice, the Jewish people turn to Zionism seeking a refuge, and instead get trapped into being tethered goats and human shields for the various Zionist regimes and their expansionist fantasies.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 7:31 pm

        “I know what it’s like to take buses and he legitimately afraid that they might be blown up”

        Because these buses are operating in territory illegally occupied by “Israel”. Yes, that might be a legitimate fear.

    • talknic
      talknic
      November 16, 2014, 6:47 pm

      @ DoubleStandard “You don’t live here. I live here. I know what it’s like to take buses and he legitimately afraid that they might be blown up. ….. it’s understandable given what’s going on

      Take your pathetic whining to the Zionist Federation, Jewish Agency or Israeli Govt, they’re the cause of ‘what’s going on’!

      Endless territorial theft and oppression by a state over non-Jewish Arabs including non-Jewish Israelis, so ” it’s understandable” that eventually there will be some violent reaction, especially when all else has failed and thus far, all else HAS failed. Despite hundreds of UNSC resolutions affording Israel the opportunity to abide by the binding laws they re-affirm and emphasize, the so called Jewish state is still in breach of International law & UN Charter adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows by the *&^%$# Nazis!!

  15. Xpat
    Xpat
    November 12, 2014, 1:38 pm

    The veneer of politeness expressed in the soldiers’ calm demeanor is indeed chilling. The implied violence is palpable. That poor woman. In a normal country, she would file a complaint with the police for being harassed by uniformed soldiers on account of her ethnicity.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 12, 2014, 3:24 pm

      I wonder how much money and other valuables those guys steal when they go through people’s stuff?

    • annie
      annie
      November 14, 2014, 2:33 am

      thank you elliot, exactly.

  16. gracie fr
    gracie fr
    November 12, 2014, 2:37 pm

    Guardian video reveals Palestinian youngster’s intimate knowledge of Settler takeover in Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of east Jerusalem and the hostile response of a group of brainwashed (American) tourists….6 minutes of Palestinians’ reality……

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2011/jun/08/israel-palestinian-territories-twins-english

  17. seafoid
    seafoid
    November 12, 2014, 4:07 pm

    Reminds me of the process at the main Israeli airport. It doesn’t matter how many people they humiliate. It can all be explained away by ‘security” but it’s really domination

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.576569

    “She stood in the middle of Eilat Airport’s small departures hall, and her eyes said it all. An impressive, well-dressed woman with an assertive face, only her burning eyes betrayed the insult she felt. “I’m so ashamed,” she said, and the tears began to fall. But shame is the last thing Ezies Elias Shehadeh should be feeling. The shame is ours, all Jews who live in Israel and who allow the kind of situation that Shehadeh experienced to take place.

    Shehadeh, a Christian Arab who was born in Safed and has taught tourism at a Jewish high school in Tirat Carmel for 19 years, was returning from a school trip to Eilat with her students.
    As soon as she reached the security screening station, she was separated from her students and treated like an arch-terrorist.
    At Ben-Gurion International Airport, before the flight to Eilat, she was singled out for special attention from security but not to the same extent as in Eilat for the return flight. Shehadeh relates that she flashed her teachers’ union membership card, the inspectors recognized that she was Arab but gave her a boarding pass without any problem — or so she thought. A few minutes later, she was called back to the screening station. Her purse and suitcase were emptied out, she was instructed to remove her shoes and her rings, and her cellphone was whisked away for inspection.
    Nobody else on the flight was treated that way, she says. She remained quiet while her purse was emptied. She knows that as soon as the name on her identity card is read, she will be treated as if she were a ticking time bomb.
    But at Eilat Airport, before the return flight, someone decided that she needed to be searched more thoroughly. She was taken aside to a small room where, she says, she was strip-searched. A security officer was stationed outside the room, while inside, a woman inspector wearing gloves began probing all through her carefully-styled hair. “They touched me all over my body. They even asked me about my bones. They asked me to take off my slacks, my bra. I remained in my underpants,” she says, as the tears come back. “When I complained, they asked me: ‘Do you want to do this the easy way, or stay here?’ I went through close to an hour of humiliation that way.” ”

    That’s Zionism.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 13, 2014, 8:24 am

      There’s no shame in their game. What a horrible thing to happen.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 15, 2014, 11:46 am

        “That’s NOT “Zionism”. “

        Okay, it’s not Zionism. In that case, being that this is Israel, the Jewish State, it must be Judaism. Those are your two choices.

        But don’t worry, I know which you will choose. After all, they’re not making land anymore, and you can always make up a new religion.

  18. realitytest
    realitytest
    November 12, 2014, 7:55 pm

    That’s NOT “Zionism”. It’s a complex, humanly understandable response to reality-based fear.

    Same goes with the purse checking request (which was actually handled in a respectful fashion contrary to the description).

    This is one of those “you’re both right” situations which does not fall within the all too frequent “You’re very wrong” category of which we hear so much. I was frankly shocked by viewing both, after the build up. There is an overall context of unjust confrontation and even violence (which I had a mental set to expect given the description) And to reject it with anger.

    Yes, there’s no doubt the causality is complex and the blame attached to it even more so. My personal perspective is revulsion at what I hear occurring against Palestinians on the West Bank (I registered to this site explicitly to read about the dumping of sewage on Palestinian farm land and near residential areas).

    But if this kind of gross exaggeration typifies your journalism, my “set” is changing. I saw absolutely NO “entitlement” on the part of the male passenger concerned about the Arab passenger’s purse. What’s more the current situation warrants legitimate fear on his part – and on behalf of all the passengers, Jew and Arab.

    Once, as a new student, I accidentally forgot my backpack at a Jerusalem bus-stop. When, ashamed, I returned to retrieve it (afraid it had been stolen), I learned the facts of life in Israel. Theft? Ha! The whole area had been cordoned off and I was roundly chewed out by the police and all passersby for my carelessness. Privacy? Of course, I and all my belongings were carefully examined .

    THIS WAS REASONABLE BASED ON LEGITIMATE SECURITY CONCERNS. No, it’s not identical, but I never thought of questioning the special precautions or demanding a search warrant. I agree that the teacher should probably have been given a pass (AS DESCRIBED!) – and I hope her students were mortified and angry on her behalf. The bus incident was different and what’s more your inflammatory description was inaccurate. Looks like you’re just preaching to your choir who don’t even wait for evidence to draw conclusions.

    Now I’ll read about the sewage, but don’t expect me to perceive Mondoweiss as a serious journalistic source. Just one more raise the hackles propaganda tool, writing for people who demand it (the comments were just as biased ). So far you sound just slightly less slanted than ” Electronic Intifada”. And remember! I speak as a sympathetic reader ready to be angry about injustice against Israel’s Arab citizens and head-scarved bus-travelers.

    So far, though, I’m disappointed. Yes, the SITUATION requires changing. However, the SYMPTOMS as described here, are reality-based in terms of today’s unfortunate security problems. Good manners are required! Sacrifice of one’s life and that of others, is NOT. People get blown up all the time, and it would happen much more often without vigilance (the other Arab passengers would have been victimized too).

    It’s tragic and we need Solomonic judgments. True, unsubstantiated injustice and humiliation (especially with violence and/or intimidation of minors) requires punishment – serious punishment. Precautions enacted with respect, are in a different category.

    Do I really have to rely on the New York Times and – maybe – HaAretz, for news? Over-kill just puts you firmly in the fringe category.

    • annie
      annie
      November 13, 2014, 1:05 pm

      reality test. we’re not israelis, we’re americans. what may seem normal or acceptable to an israeli, and something that given israel’s history of normalizing and legalizing gross racist policies (like neighborhood committees that justify racially divided neighborhoods) you can’t see the slippery slope because the man was “nice” about what he was doing. and yes, he was trying to be polite and sound reasonable. that’s what i meant wrt “casualness”, the way this is all packaged so neatly for israelis. the way netanyahu, their own prime minister claims palestinians are provoking them and so many people think every arab wants to kill all the jews. i read the responses on hebrew fb posting of this video and it was just amazing to me how many people think this is ok. an empty backpack left alone is not the same as seeing a person on a bus and thinking it’s reasonable to search her simply because she is of arab ethnicity. and if this is acceptable behavior then what is to prevent any israeli jew from thinking they are being good samaritans by randomly having the right to search any palestinian-israeli? what would someones life be like in the US if i was supported by my society to walk up to a black person on a bus or a muslim person or a jew and sit down and ask them politely to reveal the contents of their private belongings? this is a society that routinely has been justifying pushing people out of their land and homes, a society with politicians demanding the minority take loyalty oaths at the risk of loosing their citizenship. and what is next? some guy in a neighborhood demanding the state get an oath from his neighbor because he is afraid? have people no rights to privacy because of your fears? this is an example of the state of israeli consciousness that has permeated society. a rational response to these kinds of fears is to teach tolerance in schools and teach about “the other” and respect and something like what kids learn here on mlk days and celebrations at school. not the other way around, not normalizing and justifying examining people with headscarves.

      this is how it looks to me. and you do not need to read the site but i am going to be honest about what i saw, it set chills up my spine. and this is from a country where its supporters are continually claiming the minority has equal rights. well what is equal about the majority having the right to inspect the minority at will? and why didn’t he just call the police? and if he was afraid why didn’t he tell the bus driver and why didn’t they empty the bus? normalizing public humiliation and shame (and he knows it is humiliating) is wrong.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2014, 6:24 pm

        Looks like the Israeli had a bad day and wanted to unload on somebody.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 13, 2014, 6:46 pm

        “reality test. we’re not israelis, we’re americans. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/exchange-embedded-israeli#sthash.XfMlZYnI.dpuf

        Great post, Annie.

      • annie
        annie
        November 14, 2014, 2:58 am

        thanks walid. it’s tough sometimes, especially when the other side doesn’t get what is just so basic. so very very basic. sad, excruciatingly so.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        November 14, 2014, 3:49 am

        “especially when the other side doesn’t get what is just so basic. so very very basic. sad, excruciatingly so.”

        My thoughts exactly

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 13, 2014, 1:32 pm

      >> realitytesteee: … don’t expect me to perceive Mondoweiss as a serious journalistic source.

      Sure. Just don’t expect to be perceived as anything other than the Zio-supremacist you have demonstrated yourself to be…and in your very first post, too!

      Funny stuff. :-)

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2014, 7:34 pm

      “People get blown up all the time,”

      Really? Israelis are getting “blown up all the time”? I didn’t know this.

      • annie
        annie
        November 14, 2014, 3:27 am

        thousands of palestinians just got blown up last summer. sorry, off topic

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 14, 2014, 1:32 pm

      “reality test. we’re not israelis, we’re americans. what may seem normal or acceptable to an israeli,”

      Gosh, it must seem even twice as normal to a dual-passport Israeli-America with a get-out-of-occupied-Palestine-free card in their pocket.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 16, 2014, 8:32 am

      I’ve heard that there were nice, polite gestapo helping elderly Jewish men and women onto transport cars. Does that help you visualize anything? Did this officious little nudnik have to physically assault this woman to get you to see what happened to her in a different way? The fact that she’d most likely surrendered her bags to a number of guards before she got onto the bus doesn’t sink in? Are you incapable of understanding anything outside your magic bubble? Please, if you need to get back into your happy place, you’ll find it at the NY times, Jerusalem Post and to a certain extent Ha’aretz. It you want to see the other side, welcome to Mondoweiss.

  19. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    November 13, 2014, 12:18 am

    Q: … since we are all now in a very…all the Israelis are in a very tense situation now.

    R: That individual nearly misspoke. Glad he corrected himself…

  20. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    November 13, 2014, 9:34 pm

    Watching this video I found myself siding with the Arab woman who was harassed by the Jewish Israeli passengers. I visited Israel several times between 2000 and 2004, which was prime time for blowing up Israeli buses as part of the 2nd intifada, so I am aware of the impulse to wish to inspect the belongings of any “suspect” who gets on a bus. In fact, I do not believe there was one woman who blew up a bus ever during the intifada. There was one woman who blew herself and some others up in a store, but not a bus. Nonetheless I realize the fear.

    If this is a public bus, I would think that the bus driver has the right to demand to inspect any passenger who gets on board. I do not think passengers have the right, but it would not surprise me that the driver would have the right. I am not sure what the law is.

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 13, 2014, 9:53 pm

      >> y.f.: Watching this video I found myself siding with the Arab woman who was harassed by the Jewish Israeli passengers.

      I am sincerely glad to hear that.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 16, 2014, 12:50 pm

        “… the invasion of privacy involved to a bare minimum, without allowing every tom, dick and harry to demand; let me look through your purse. ”

        Yonah, this wanton invasion of privacy is probably the result of living in a checkpoint mentality wherein everyone is either an Ok-Israeli or with all the rest being suspects. You can’t legislate away this diseased paranoia.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 14, 2014, 2:09 am

      You have to make up your mind, Yonah. First you side with the Palestinian woman, then you go on to say that you are aware “of the impulse to wish to inspect the belongings of any “suspect” who gets on a bus.” You went on to describe who has or doesn’t have the right to inspect passengers.

      You want it both ways.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 12:32 pm

        “First you side with the Palestinian woman….”

        Walid, they all do that. It’s called ‘throwing a bone’. They admit to some personal distaste for the action, or even are brave enough to say they don’t personally approve of it, as if that neatly absolves them, and then they go on to defend the Zionist action.
        They all do it, all the time.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 14, 2014, 3:45 pm

        Walid- There is inspection when one enters a bus station. I do not object to that. That the bus driver would be in charge of the security of his bus is not different than the inspection that exists at the entrance to a bus station.

        I want there to be a law that satisfies the urge of the public for security and minimizes the invasion of privacy involved to a bare minimum, without allowing every tom, dick and harry to demand; let me look through your purse.

        mooser- drivers experienced the 2nd intifada and to equate the looking into purses with separate seating is taking analogies to the cartoon level. Wile E. Coyote style rhetoric. Rhetoric for kindergarten and two digit I.Q.’s.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 14, 2014, 4:04 pm

        “mooser- drivers experienced the 2nd intifada and to equate the looking into purses with separate seating is taking analogies to the cartoon level. ”

        Yonah

        Israel has decided to go for the permanent war option. Which is why the bus driver suspects anyone who doesn’t look Jewish.
        Mooser thinks that’s nuts. It’s not Wil E Coyote to think like that. It’s how people think outside the Hebrew bubble.

        Jews in the UK aren’t singled out for intrusive searches in buses because they are different.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 14, 2014, 4:18 pm

        Seafoid- You aren’t opposed to security guards at the entrance to israeli bus stations, are you?

        You are opposed to racial profiling. You are so opposed to racial profiling that you equate racial profiling to segregated seating on southern buses. I hear you. I disagree. but in the realm of rhetoric it is closer to common demagoguery than it is to wile e. coyote.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 4:54 pm

        “I disagree. but in the realm of rhetoric it is closer to common demagoguery than it is to wile e. coyote.”

        Yonah, you will always be the Master Chef of Meaninglessness in my book. No-one can toss the word salad like you, Yonah!

        But please, Yonah, if you are talking about buses in Israel, please be careful to indicate if you are talking about buses in Israel, or Israeli buses which operate in the occupied territory, or both.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 14, 2014, 5:05 pm

        please, mooser, according to you, a bus driver should have no right to inspect the packages taken on a bus, so why discuss it at all. those stealing zionists deserve to get blown up, isn’t that your bottom line, and all this discussion is merely your lawyerly side rather than your justice side. your justice side just wants to see those zionists get whats coming to them. period. so this discussion is just a plaything for you.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 6:25 pm

        “please, mooser, according to you, a bus driver should have no right to inspect the packages taken on a bus,”

        You must have some super-dooper bus drivers in Israel! They drive the bus, and do bomb-detection, and instantly turn into a squad of policeman to deal with the terrorist. Do they do the after-bomb clean-up, too, if they handle it wrong??

        If an Israeli bus driver has a problem, shouldn’t he call the police, or the goon squad, or whatever kind of thugs you employ over there? All that you expect from a bus driver?
        I hope you pay them lots, these terrorist-fighter bomb-detection (and expert negotiater, since a real terrorist would never detonate a device without a long talk beforehand, which gives you a chance to grab their purse.)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 6:35 pm

        ” so why discuss it at all. those stealing zionists deserve to get blown up, isn’t that your bottom line “

        Yonah, for the past several days you have been making the most mendaciously vicious personal attacks you can muster, all without providing a single example. Not-a-single-one!

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 15, 2014, 4:24 pm

        mooser- on other issues: you want to relieve yourself on my shoes and then have me provide the photos of the time you peed or shat on my shoes? not going to happen.

        on your desire to see dead Zionists. maybe I overstate. but there is no dialogue with you, just tossing of garbage and epithets and you should expect at the very least: verbal excess from me. you deserve no less.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        November 15, 2014, 6:29 pm

        Yonah, is it always a personal insult to you when Mooser points out the enormous holes in your ill-thought through arguments?! It’s humorously done, but you attribute your feelings of embarrassment to the wild notion that he’s “tossing garbage and epithets” at you!
        And then you come back with a toddlers peeing and pooping nonsense! Wow!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 12:18 pm

        “And then you come back with a toddlers peeing and pooping nonsense! Wow!”

        He’s been on this scatalogical kick for about three days now. Keeps on making invidious comparisons to ill-directed alimentary evacuations and stuff like that.

        And he has not even provided one (1) example of me using profanity!

        Yonah, when I started commenting on the Internet, I promised my Mother, aleha ha sholem, that I would never write anything which might make my younger sister blush. Do you think I would break a promise made to Momila? Or, as we used to call her, Momzilla.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 12:28 pm

        Come to think of it, I guess my younger sisters are, well, women of a certain age by now. Married, too. Working, kids, all that.
        Maybe I’ll let myself go a little.

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 16, 2014, 12:41 pm

        “aleha ha sholem”

        Mooser, this sure sounds like “aleyha as-salaam”. You’re not a crypto-Moslem, are you?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 12:46 pm

        “on your desire to see dead Zionists.”

        You make an accusation (“your desire to see dead Zionists”), which, I submit, could fairly be labeled as “vicious” ( and viscous, as well! ) It is also completely unfounded, and again, you give nothing which could indicate what the hell you are talking about.

        And if this video shows the way Israel handles its “security problems”, I don’t think it’s my fantastical “desire to see dead Zionists” you need to worry about. It’s Israel’s.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 16, 2014, 12:56 pm

        ” You’re not a crypto-Moslem, are you?”

        I might be Muslim, or become so, but it won’t be crypto. I will not go down under the ground. I’d rather be at the beach

      • Walid
        Walid
        November 16, 2014, 1:12 pm

        ” I’d rather be at the beach.”

        Can’t blame you, Mooser, I’d join you at the beach. Great arabesque boards, especially the inchallah one, saw them last time you put them up.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 16, 2014, 4:00 pm

        Bumblebye- if you think that mooser’s words are limited to the illogic of my arguments, then you have not been reading them as carefully as i have.

        mooser- you are a game player who is also an antizionist. your antizionism i accept. your game playing is just internet nonsense. who puts a ROtFLmao as a punch line to your argument. an internet game player. that’s what you are.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 10:49 am

        ” then you have not been reading them as carefully as i have.”

        Yonah, I’m so glad to hear that. Thank you for paying such close attention. Why, I bet you read as “carefully” as you write!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 10:53 am
      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 11:21 am

        , “saw them last time you put them up”

        They knock me out every time I see them. Having confused “Sufi” and “Surfer” (which anybody could do, of course) I googled both terms together, and voila!.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 11:23 am

        “especially the inchallah one”

        Absolutely my favorite, too! Gorgeous.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 17, 2014, 6:50 pm

        ” and you should expect at the very least: verbal excess from me. you deserve no less.”

        Good, Yonah, you just keep on telling me what I deserve.
        What do you think someone deserves for participating in a violent land-theft scheme for years, using religion as an excuse? A lot of courtesy on the Internet? A big thank-you for helping ‘religion shape the boundaries of Israel’
        To be treated as an expert on American and Israeli Judaism and Jews?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 18, 2014, 5:37 pm

        “on your desire to see dead Zionists. maybe I overstate. “

        Why risk doing that, Yonah? I have an archive, surely you can find a hundred examples of me wishing death on Zionists? What’s stopping you? Could it be that you are, well, lying?
        I might even get upset about it, if I thought you are capable of telling the truth.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 18, 2014, 6:27 pm

        ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL READERS OTHER THAN MOOSER:
        I consider Mooser, three quarters of the time, to be an utter waste of time. upon occasion i will react to his nonsense with name calling and mischaracterize his statements. For example: if he says, “of course those thieving settlers ought to be afraid” I will say that he is happy that they are afraid and in fact wants to see them dead, whereas in fact, he only says that they ought to be afraid.

        To Mooser- You are a junior high school bully, who justifies your immature behavior by saying that your cause is just. but in fact you are a bully because you like being a bully and the justice of your cause does not mitigate the fact that bullying people gives you a thrill.

      • adele
        adele
        November 18, 2014, 9:42 pm

        Yonah,

        I wonder, do you know who Mulla Nasreddin is?

        For those who read this comment and know the beloved figure of Mulla Nasreddin, I think you will agree with me that Mooser’s witty repartees have a certain Mulla Nasreddin quality, wherein, hidden within the layers of his witty responses are morsels of sage advice and moral lessons that try to elevate the consciousness of his audience. I often smile when Mooser uses the sufi/surfer pun – Mulla Nasreddin would probably have done the same if they had surfers in his time.

        So Yonah, you see, Mooser is trying to help you along on your quest to universal enlightenment but you are proving to be rather stubborn and reluctant but he sees the potential in you to elevate your consciousness….baby step by baby step. I can certainly see now why you feel bullied but we still haven’t given up on you though, and more importantly, neither has Mulla Mooser!

        For good measure here is one story Yonah that may be helpful on your quest:

        Center of the Earth
        Friend: “Nasrudin, do you know where the center of the earth is?”
        Nasrudin: “As a matter of fact, I know exactly where it is.”
        “Where?”
        “Directly under the right hoof of my donkey.”
        “What! How can you be so sure?”
        “Well—if you don’t believe me, you can measure it for yourself.”

        And here is another, just because we all need a little light-hearted laughter to counter all the sadness of these past few days:

        The town’s new conqueror said to Nasrudin one day, “Hey Mulla, I have a challenge for you. Offend me in a way that your explanation will be a thousand times worse than the original offense.”
        The next day, Nasrudin came to the palace and kissed the conqueror right on the lips.
        “What was that!“ exclaimed the conqueror with great surprise.
        “Oh,” Nasrudin replied, “excuse me. I got you confused with your wife.”

        http://www.rodneyohebsion.com/mulla-nasrudin.htm

      • annie
        annie
        November 19, 2014, 1:46 am

        adele that was one of the most wonderful enjoyable delightful comments i have read in a long long time. ;)

      • annie
        annie
        November 19, 2014, 2:25 am

        wow, i have been otherwise engaged and missed out on a lot of this conversation and still have not read it all. but yonah YONAH you really jumped the shark when you claimed mooser “desire[d] to see dead Zionists”. it doesn’t lesson what you said by stating directly after you over stated.

        i doubt mooser has ever even been to israel, but i don’t think so. maybe he doesn’t know there are people checking bags at the entrance of bakeries and parks. what’s next for the US, our new improved airport security shoved into place after 9/11 (i think an israeli company even makes those x ray machines, “security” is a massive industry now) coming to a neighborhood near you?

        the bottom line yonah, is that israel refuses to consider any option besides tightening the noose. there are other solutions besides guards in front of every store checking every purse. this is a paranoid society because they are in the process of colonization. their intention is to perpetuate tension as a means to separate and as a justification to separate and they prey on peoples fears, the very fears they propagate continually. and you have those fears. but who, what caused those intifadas yonah? and now you say mooser or me and whoever want dead people. step back. just step back and chill. if it makes you feel any better (which it probably won’t) i do believe you sympathized with the woman on the bus. but here in america we don’t think bus drivers have the right to inspect bags. if they have suspicions they should call the police. only since 9/11 have we had this airport security, we really don’t want it extending to other forms of transportation. would an israeli jew allow Yusuf Hasan al-Ramouni to check their bags? i don’t think so.

        for an american this is weird behavior.

      • adele
        adele
        November 19, 2014, 3:42 am

        Thanks Annie,

        Yonah brings out the best in us :-)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 11:42 am

        “Adele” I’m blushing like schoolgirl.

        And if I’m not mistaken, the actions by the “soldier” in the video are not part of Israel’s already oppressive “security” arrangements, the soldier took it on himself to hassle that woman.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 11:48 am

        if he says, “of course those thieving settlers ought to be afraid”

        Yonah, did I say that? You’ve got it in quotes. Would you mind linking or indicating the comment it is from, you’ve got it in quotes!

        If you are paraphrasing, at least put it in single quotes, okay?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 11:54 am

        “your cause does not mitigate the fact that bullying people gives you a thrill.”

        Yonah, I feel bad for you, and I’m sorry.
        I guess I didn’t think about how hard this might hit you.
        After all, I think we can both agree that the making of a Jewish State, given the world as it is, is not a job for those who are easily bullied by a few smart cracks in a comment section. I’m sorry, I didn’t think a little spirited give-and-take would reach so far into your inadequacies.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 19, 2014, 3:24 pm

        ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL READERS OTHER THAN MOOSER:”

        Aw c’mon, isn’t anybody going to tell me what it says? You’re just going to leave me in the dark? Everybody OTHER than me? Is that allowed?

        Annie! Can he do this? I insist on knowing what it says!

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 14, 2014, 11:31 am

      “I do not think passengers have the right, but it would not surprise me that the driver would have the right. I am not sure what the law is.”

      Sure, Yonah, just like bus drivers in the South up until just 50 years ago were empowered to enforce the segregation laws.
      BTW, will these bus drivers be armed? How much of a raise will they need to act as seciruty and drivers?
      And what if there is more than one Palestinian woman on the bus?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2014, 11:33 am

        Oh well, I don’t know why I even try. Once you’ve spent years living on stolen land with impunity, it’s hard to see the owners of the land as anything but inferior beings to be pushed around by bus drivers.

      • gamal
        gamal
        November 19, 2014, 1:30 pm

        “And if I’m not mistaken, the actions by the “soldier” in the video are not part of Israel’s already oppressive “security” arrangements, the soldier took it on himself to hassle that woman.”

        yeah and made me think of

        Sexual Violence, Womens Bodies and Israeli Settler colonialism

        They not only invaded our home, took over our space, and evicted us—they even arrested me and took me to the Maskubya—the police station. I was put in room number four, alone, for a long time. Then, a big and tall man, a police officer, entered the interrogation room. I was alone, and started shivering from fear as he closed the door, started moving things around in the room….

        http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/19992/sexual-violence-women%E2%80%99s-bodies-and-israeli-settler

  21. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    November 14, 2014, 5:21 am

    As recently stated by israel’s President: israel is a sick society.

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