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For Obama officials, synagogue attack is ‘pure terror’ — and not a word about attacks on Palestinians

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There’s been plenty of Israeli incitement in recent days, and two Palestinian children were lately blinded by rubber bullets, and on Sunday night a Palestinian bus driver was found hanged, and Palestinians all over East Jerusalem are subject to unrelenting occupation and persecution.

But for American officials, the terror killings of four Jewish men in a West Jerusalem synagogue today are the one and only story. “Pure terror,” as our secretary of state puts it. President Obama condemned the killings with not a word about the Palestinian experience:

We know that two attackers senselessly and brutally attacked innocent worshippers in a synagogue during their morning prayers. Obviously, we condemn in the strongest terms these attacks.A number of people were wounded, and four people were killed, including three American citizens.So this is a tragedy for both nations, Israel as well as the United States.And our hearts go out to the families who obviously are undergoing enormous grief right now.

Secretary of State John Kerry, in London, also said nothing about the recent killings of Palestinians, and crackdown on Palestinian neighborhoods:

I was just on the phone to Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel. This morning, today in Jerusalem, Palestinians attacked Jews who were praying in a synagogue. And people who had come to worship God in the sanctuary of a synagogue were hatcheted and hacked and murdered in that holy place in an act of pure terror and senseless brutality and murder.

I call on the Palestinian leadership at every single level to condemn this in the most powerful terms. This violence has no place anywhere… And to have this kind of act, which is a pure result of incitement of calls for days of rage, of just an irresponsibility, is unacceptable.

So the Palestinian leadership must condemn this and they must begin to take serious steps to restrain any kind of incitement that comes from their language, from other people’s language, and exhibit the kind of leadership that is necessary to put this region on a different path. Our hearts go out to all Israelis for the atrocity of this event and for all the reminders of history that come with it. This is – simply has no place in human behavior, and we need to hear from leaders who are going to lead – lead their people to a different place.

Samantha Power, US ambassador to the UN, is also concentrating sympathy on one side:

My thoughts are with the families of the worshipers murdered today, including Americans Aryeh Kupinsky, Cary William Levine & Mosheh Twersky

Even Yaacov Lozowick, the Israeli archivist, offers more context than American officials do:

TV news interviews with east-jerusalem Palestinians: attack is revenge 4 murder of bus driver… who committed suicide.

As if Yusuf Hassan al-Ramouni, the Palestinian bus driver found hanged in a bus on the east side of Jerusalem Sunday night, killed himself. Palestinian accounts state that he was lynched.

Here’s some context for Americans. Power journalist/Israel lobbyist Jeffrey Goldberg says the lesson of today’s attack is that Palestinians just can’t accept the presence of Jews in Israel. Oh, and that Hamas wants to kill all Jews:

the events of the past couple of weeks in Jerusalem suggest that a core issue of the conflict remains the unwillingness of many Palestinian Muslims to accept the idea that Jews have rights in their ancestral homeland. And in the case of Hamas and like-minded groups, that Jews have a right to live.

He really ought to say what rights Jews have in the ancestral homeland. All the rights?

Update. Here’s Bill de Blasio, mayor of NY:

New York City stands in solidarity with Israel, and we hope and pray for a peaceful and secure future for all of its people.

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  1. just
    November 18, 2014, 3:37 pm

    “So this is a tragedy for both nations, Israel as well as the United States.”

    what words did he utter when Israel has murdered Americans???

    not a word about Netanyahu’s incitement, nor that of his government or IOF/police…

    • Horizontal
      November 18, 2014, 6:07 pm

      Wasn’t it a tragedy for both Turkey and America when that Turkish-American was murdered on the Freedom Flotilla?

      I don’t recall any such statement of sympathy, do you?

      And don’t expect any mention of Israel’s part in brewing this toxic stew; the outrage clock only started this morning.

      • just
        November 18, 2014, 6:14 pm

        there’s no ‘sympathy’ for any Muslim people or primarily Muslim nation…

  2. eljay
    November 18, 2014, 3:44 pm

    >> just: what words did he utter when Israel has murdered Americans???
    >> not a word about Netanyahu’s incitement, nor that of his government or IOF/police…

    You’d think he’d at least say such things were “unhelpful”.

  3. Kay24
    November 18, 2014, 4:01 pm

    I am simply disgusted with the way our officials keep kissing up to Israel. They act so outraged and give Israel immediate love and sympathy whenever they are the victims of an attack, but only give a luke warm response whenever the Palestinians are massacred by the hundreds. What kind of game are they playing? How can we expect the world to consider us “honest brokers” in this conflict, when we have (shamelessly) always sided with the brutal occupier?

    If what the Palestinian men who attacked the synagogue is blood libel, then what should we call the Gaza massacre that killed 2000 and injured thousands more be called?

    “Netanyahu: Palestinian blood libel led to Jerusalem terror attack
    Prime minister accuses Palestinians of incitement, says ordered homes of two terrorists demolished.” Haaretz

    The Israelis have a sick fascination for demolishing homes too. They do it to steal lands, and they do it to punish Palestinians. Whoever called Israelis a sick society is absolutely right.

    • seafoid
      November 18, 2014, 4:10 pm

      “Netanyahu: Palestinian blood libel led to Jerusalem terror attack”

      He’s just talking to his people. They live in a parallel version of reality mediated via Hebrew with very little connection to the real world.

      This attack is what Israel gets for having leaders like Netanyahu.
      There is no free occupation. That was horseshit from the Israeli right.

      • Kay24
        November 18, 2014, 4:28 pm

        This attack is all due to the occupation and a resistance, and the Chickenshits regular “mowing of the lawn”. Chickenshit provoked the Arabs by messing with their third biggest Holy shrine, and then is all outraged, and threatens every Palestinian. If only the media in the US has the honesty to question the reasons why the Palestinians have to hit back like this. Surely, even a child will know that when you keep people in a prison for no valid reason, they will want to strike back and get out of it?

      • Blownaway
        November 18, 2014, 7:24 pm

        Fear not the FBI has launched an investigation. You can only kill Arab Americans not American Jews…see the difference?

  4. seafoid
    November 18, 2014, 4:14 pm

    “And in the case of Hamas and like-minded groups, that Jews have a right to live”.

    Cry me a river. 17 Jews killed this year in “teghogh”.
    Israel murdered 490 children in Gaza in the summer.

    And Jews are the victims?
    When does the whining stop ?

    • Kay24
      November 18, 2014, 4:24 pm

      Seafoid, it will only stop if the US does the right thing, threaten to cut them off, and demand they make peace. Whining is second nature to them now. They are totally delusional and pretend they are the victims. They have butchered so many Palestinians, yet when they lose a couple or more of theirs, oy vey, the world must immediately condemn it, and give them the sympathy.
      They are unable to see the role they play in this conflict, the endless occupation and land grabs, and blame it all on occupied people. This is the zio world for you.

      • Horizontal
        November 18, 2014, 4:54 pm

        Seafoid, it will only stop if the US does the right thing, threaten to cut them off, and demand they make peace.

        Kay, seafoid, etc ~

        I used to feel exactly like the statement I quoted above, but I find myself coming to a realization lately that is only now crystallizing for me. Israel isn’t some weird foreign influence that our government must somehow shake off; those who support it in our government are exactly like those in Israel whom we condemn. They represent a common elitist mindset, and the fact that one group is in Tel Aviv and one group is in Washington, DC, is secondary.

        The “enemy” isn’t over there. It’s right here, and that’s why it gets such support among the American elite. These people have no interest whatever in “doing the right thing,” and never will, and Israel isn’t the reason that they don’t. They will never “shake off” Israel’s influence, anymore than a fish can shake off the water it swims in. Entitlement, racism, elitism, profit & cruelty don’t need to be imported.

        Maybe all this has long been obvious to some people, but to me, it’s just now become clear.

      • Kay24
        November 18, 2014, 5:15 pm

        Horizontal you are right, it does seem like that. They are not ignorant or naive to what is happening. They know what they are doing, and it is ugly.

      • DavidDaoud
        November 19, 2014, 1:43 pm

        Re: Horizontal
        November 18, 2014, 4:54 pm

        Horizontal, what you say has become apparent to me as well in recent months. Israel and U.S.A. have, over the last few decades, slowly grown into parts of one entity. Evidence of that is all over the U.S. Administration, and further evidence of that is in the way the Israeli government conducts itself.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 8:34 am

        Glad I’m not the only one to see it.

        It doesn’t really change the battle before us, but expecting Obama or Kerry or Hillary to “do the right thing” is as crazy as expecting Netanyahu to wake up one morning and suddenly change his ways. They’re all equally compromised personalities.

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 8:39 am

        it’s been this way since forever, seems to me.

        why we can’t have the divorce is beyond me– surely it can’t “be for the children”!

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 9:39 am

        Well I can’t say it’s been forever.

        Eisenhower was able to stand up to Israel in the Suez crisis without suffering political suicide, so maybe that was the turning point. Israel probably went back to Tel Aviv and worked out a long game on how to prevent that from ever happening again.

        The influence that they once inflicted on the British was also being focused on America as it surpassed Britain as a world power in the post war years. I’m sure this had an effect as well.

        But at some time there was a tipping point where the influence just got crazy; like Reagan started ending every speech with “. . . and God Bless, the United States of America,” and now every president feels like they have to say it, too.

        But anything done can be undone; we just have to keep working with the younger generation who will hopefully see things differently.

  5. seafoid
    November 18, 2014, 4:23 pm

    “A great majority of the time, for most of the Jews here, the Palestinian suffering is completely denied. When it is not documented on video it interests almost no one, and when it is documented it is repressed as a conspiracy. What significance is there to the display of mutual responsibility of these days if when they see the Palestinian baby who survived a premature birth and a car accident, but did not survive a live bullet fired at his upper body, in light of the documentation of his death we do not become angry and give our hearts out to him and his family; and instead we ask with estranged cynicism and in arrogant contempt: “Why don’t they show us what happened earlier?” ”

    “Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
    This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival.”

    ” In his speech, Rosen-Zvi said, “I want to single out two things that seem new and very frightening to me. First, the death of soldiers no longer creates the same public pressure as in the past. It’s a new mechanism and different from what we knew, when coffins created a sense of revulsion that led to criticism and media pressure. It seems that now death creates togetherness and at the same time invites more death in order to justify it.”

    Today’s development is another step on the road to the eventual arrival of ISIS or some descendant at the gates of Israel.
    That’s where the right is leading Zionism.

    I’d love to hear what Gutvitz has to say. It is so depressing.

    • Laurent Weppe
      November 18, 2014, 7:17 pm

      If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.

      Kinda like the French and Brits have to live with the “painful” realization that their colonial empires were parasitic endeavors meant to enrich a tiny class of hacendados and that France and Britain’s commoners would have prospered a lot more if their countries had refrained from invading and pillaging half the planet and treated its population like equal partners.

      And you know what? Guilt is perfectly endurable: at one point you just come to terms with the fact your forefathers were nasty pieces of works and you carry their legacy of crimes by trying to not mimic them.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 12:41 pm

        “If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary;”

        Which would leave the Israelis to deal with each other. So I’m sure you can see from that perspective that what Israel has done to the Palestinians was absolutely necessary for Zionism.

  6. just
    November 18, 2014, 4:38 pm

    depressing indeed.

    JSIL invites ISIS.

  7. Horizontal
    November 18, 2014, 4:40 pm

    I’ve been following this predictably blind runaway bus ever since I learned it left the station this morning. The hypocrisy is nauseating; the response, preordained.

    Palestinian lives mean nothing; Jewish lives mean everything. American lives only mean anything when they’re ended by weapons in the hands of Arabs. Rachel Corrie is still waiting for her murder to be investigated by the FBI; today, in less than 24 hours, they’ve already swung into action. Acts of terrorism by Arabs are labeled as such; acts of terrorism committed by Israel either ignored or are merely heartbreaking accidents.

    We’ve been here before. I’m sickened and embarrassed by my country today. All I can do is look at everything going to hell around me while all the same actors on stage recite all the same wrong lines.

    • just
      November 18, 2014, 4:45 pm


    • Kay24
      November 18, 2014, 5:12 pm

      Well said Horizontal. I am disgusted with the way our nation keeps covering Israel’s large behind, and making it look the victim.

      I would like to ask them why they keep this devotion going, when it has spied on us, attacked the USS Liberty, get American Jews to spy on their own country, show disrespect for the President, and also why this wonderful ally of ours has never sent their precious troops to fight alongside our armed forces in any of the wars we have waged recently, when other true allies like the UK, always stand “shoulder to shoulder” with us. All this and Congress cannot wait to applaud the war monger.

      • Horizontal
        November 18, 2014, 5:47 pm

        I think our congress, military, media and other various elite hangers-on and Israel each hold up the same warped fun house mirror to each other and each side is pleased by what they see.

      • Horizontal
        November 18, 2014, 6:02 pm

        But, Kay, to answer your question, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it really addressed. I’ve never seen it go beyond a talking points answer, where phrases like “closest ally in the region” or “Middle East’s only democracy” are supposed to suffice. I think Senator Warren’s obtuse statement that “civilian casualties are the last thing that Israel wants” in attacking Gaza stands on its own as a demonstration of her serious lack of knowledge of the topic. And she’s supposed to be one of the smart ones.

        Bernie Sanders got into a shouting match at a town hall, but I don’t think any minds were changed or points made. He just pretty much doubled down on his own opinions and left it at that.

        So there’s never that moment of reckoning that I think we’re all waiting for. It would take maybe a half hour uninterrupted TV interview with someone like Amy Goodman or even Jon Stewart to have the time to bore-in past the talking points to get to the heart of the matter, and most sponsors & politicians have no stomach for such inevitable anti-Israeli fireworks. So it doesn’t happen.

        And that’s a damn shame.

  8. a blah chick
    November 18, 2014, 5:06 pm

    If you haven’t checked out Noam Sheaf’s column up at 972mag do so.

    “For half a decade Netanyahu and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat have been selling us lies about Israel’s unified and prosperous capital, all while 40 percent of its residents live in impoverished neighborhoods and are not represented politically, aren’t given building permits or even full municipal services. …At the same time, with the encouragement of the city and under the protection and cover of the police, settlers are being put into the hearts of the Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods, and right-wing members of Knesset are marking new targets for their projects — the Temple Mount, Silwan and Mount of Olives. After all that, is anybody really surprised that Palestinians have no trust in the police? That they view the municipality as their enemy?”

    Zionism has never offered these people anything except the bullet, exile or second class citizenship.

    • Horizontal
      November 18, 2014, 9:00 pm

      Hey, it’s all peaches ‘n cream according to the American media. The killings were senseless according to our Secretary of State. No possible motive, however misguided it may have been. No motive whatsoever. They occurred in a peaceful vacuum of peaches ‘n cream.

  9. lysias
    November 18, 2014, 5:07 pm

    RT television just mentioned the Al Aqsa mosque in connection with the attack in Jerusalem.

    • Sycamores
      November 18, 2014, 7:53 pm

      Israeli papers are linking it to the murder of Mohammed Abu Khedair because the father of one of the accused prays at the synagogue.


      4 to 5 months of crackdown on Palestinian neighborhoods, the murder and maiming of Palestinians. any or all of these reasons could be in connection with the attack in Jerusalem.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 8:45 am

        So Kerry’s statement that the attack was “senseless” merely masks Israeli’s part in its recent incitement. But that’s what the American political establishment always does — removes any kind of context from our (or now Israel’s) actions in the region.

        So the takeover of our embassy in Tehran in 1979 had no cause; neither did 9/11, and now this. It doesn’t mean that you agree with the cause, but at least you should acknowledge what motivated the action. Instead, the world is just full of crazy Arabs who attack and kill for no reason. What a useful, but ultimately racist, piece of political propaganda to yield.

        I wish to God some reporter had the guts to call Kerry out on it.

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 11:08 am


  10. just
    November 18, 2014, 5:33 pm

    every time I read Kerry’s statement — 5X now, it makes me more angry and more ashamed of the US.

    (apologies if that’s TMI)

    • Horizontal
      November 18, 2014, 5:50 pm

      Not at all. Say it loud & clear.

      It’s a dark day for our country, but not in the way that they mean.

  11. Horizontal
    November 18, 2014, 6:12 pm

    So the Israeli leadership must condemn this and they must begin to take serious steps to restrain any kind of incitement that comes from their language, from other people’s language, and exhibit the kind of leadership that is necessary to put this region on a different path.

    There, Mr. Secretary. Was that so hard?

    • just
      November 18, 2014, 7:23 pm

      well done, Horizontal. (it’s always nice to dream)

      will MSM report this?

      “RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — An Israeli settler shot and seriously injured a Palestinian teenager Tuesday after a settler demonstration on the outskirts of Beitin village east of Ramallah.

      Ibrahim Mahmoud, 16, was shot with a live bullet and taken to Palestine Medical Complex with serious injuries. He is now stable and was placed in the ICU.

      An Israeli army spokeswoman said she was looking into the report.

      Earlier a Palestinian man was stabbed by a group of Israelis in north Jerusalem.

      Fadi Jalal Radwan, 22, was attacked and stabbed by four Israelis while walking in the town of Kafr Aqab, his father said. He was stabbed three times in the legs, and once in the back.

      The victim was found bleeding in the street and taken to Hadassah hospital for treatment. Doctors said he was in a serious condition.”

  12. Blownaway
    November 18, 2014, 7:31 pm

    The Israelis for the most part have a cost free occupation. They don’t feel the pain of the Palestininas. They speak openly of maintaining the status quo. Well if there is no cost there is no occupation. This is the cost of dehumanizing Palestinians such that they know they are going to die and have nothing to lose. It’s amazing after decades of trying to make this a religious instead of a political problem that they are shocked of the religious dinension. From MK’s who want to destroy Islams third holiest shrine and calls the palestine by biblical names

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 8:50 am

      The Israelis for the most part have a cost free occupation.

      Well said.

      Having a cost-free occupation is the sole reason that this entire shabby propaganda enterprise exists. That’s what the lies, political blackmail and whataboutery are all designed to maintain.

      And that’s also why BDS scares the pants off ’em.

  13. James Canning
    November 18, 2014, 7:38 pm

    Gross hypocrisy from Bill de Blasio? What a surprise.

    • scott9854958
      November 19, 2014, 10:48 am

      Yup, de Blowsio is a progressive alright, except on the issue where it matters, and that’s Palestinian rights. What a vile, cheap whore he is.

  14. Kay24
    November 18, 2014, 9:51 pm

    Bibi spoke to his base today promising revenge, and in the US the MSM was making this the top story of the day, with the usual zio journalists blaming all on the other side. The perfect opportunity to win back some of that sympathy they lost when they attacked Gaza.
    Bibi gets top marks for trying to show they are eternal victims, and like superman, he will avenge these deaths too.

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 10:49 am

      Please don’t, Kay; the image of Bibi in spandex is too much this early in the morning . . .

  15. yonah fredman
    November 18, 2014, 9:53 pm

    There are two types of reactions to such an event: a human reaction and a political reaction. Phil and the commentators here have provided the political reaction that one would expect here. But nary a word in the direction of a human reaction. Hardened hearts, anyone?

    • American
      November 18, 2014, 11:15 pm

      ” But nary a word in the direction of a human reaction. Hardened hearts, anyone?…..yonah

      Here’s a human reaction……I regret these people or any non combant civilians are killed .

      But what do you expect? You expect Palestine not to ever be crazy and desperate and enraged and want revenge?

      Israel never lets up on the Palestines, not for a day, an hour or a second—-for 65 long brutal years. Being oppressed and slaughtered by you is all some Palestine had ever known in their lifetimes.
      You never stop killing them, shooting their children, humiliating them, imprisoning them, sealing from them .
      If you were doing this to me in my country I’d try to kill every one of you.
      In fact if you were doing to this to any other people anywhere on earth you would have been wiped out long ago.

      You get what you give. So you can blame Israel for this.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 9:43 am

        You’re right, American, but yonah just stopped by to push some buttons.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 11:21 am

        Horizontal, I think it is important that you understand that “Yonah” has his own comment policy, which takes precedence over any other parameters! Now, as you can see, I haven’t read it, since it is not directed at me, but here it is, ver- freakin’- batim:

        I consider Mooser, three quarters of the time, to be an utter waste of time. upon occasion i will react to his nonsense with name calling and mischaracterize his statements. For example: if he says, “of course those thieving settlers ought to be afraid” I will say that he is happy that they are afraid and in fact wants to see them dead, whereas in fact, he only says that they ought to be afraid.

        To Mooser- You are a junior high school bully, who justifies your immature behavior by saying that your cause is just. but in fact you are a bully because you like being a bully and the justice of your cause does not mitigate the fact that bullying people gives you a thrill.”

        So, you might want to take this into consideration. And will somebody tell me what it says? Pleeaassee?

      • just
        November 21, 2014, 11:53 am

        that’s his policy. different strokes for different folks. and, no i can’t tell you what it says.

        apparently, you get under his skin…

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 12:48 pm

        “no i can’t tell you what it says.”

        Oh well, I guess I shouldn’t expect anyone to break ranks on this. I guess I’ll never know.
        You can’t even give me a hint? No, I guess you can’t.

        Oh well, I guess Yonah really got me, this time.

    • Donald
      November 19, 2014, 7:49 am

      “Phil and the commentators here have provided the political reaction that one would expect here. ”

      You are right that there are hardened hearts on all sides and I accept your point about how we should mourn all victims, but you’re missing half the picture. Phil is criticizing the hardened hearts of the hypocrites in the US government. That’s not simply a political reaction on his part. It is difficult to see the conspicuous difference between how Israeli and Palestinian atrocities are treated in this country without getting angry. I recognize that this should not be an excuse for hardening our own hearts, but it is right to point out the hypocrisy. This isn’t a political reaction, but a moral one. Palestinians are dying too, but that doesn’t elicit US condemnation. Palestinian children died by the hundreds last summer and the US supported Israel’s “right to defend itself.”

      I’ll add the NYT editorial board to that list of hypocrites, who just came out with an editorial condemning the horror in Jerusalem and saying that it brings shame to the Palestinian people, when they never said one word along those lines about Israel or its supporters during the Gaza War. The difference in their treatment is galling. Completely expected, coming from them, and yet they talk about the Palestinian people bringing shame on themselves.

      • a blah chick
        November 19, 2014, 8:03 am

        Hear, hear.

      • eljay
        November 19, 2014, 8:25 am

        >> Donald @ November 19, 2014, 7:49 am

        Excellent post, Donald.

        >> I’ll add the NYT editorial board to that list of hypocrites, who just came out with an editorial condemning the horror in Jerusalem and saying that it brings shame to the Palestinian people, when they never said one word along those lines about Israel or its supporters during the Gaza War.

        That sounds very…Zio-supremacist.

      • eljay
        November 19, 2014, 8:26 am

        >> eljay: That sounds very…Zio-supremacist.

        Clarification: The behaviour of the NYT editorial board, not your mention of their behaviour.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 9:45 am

        Yes, the NYT is great on racist collective punishment, but they’re pretty selective in that category, aren’t they?

    • seafoid
      November 19, 2014, 7:55 am


      This is what I think

      YESHA just isn’t worth it
      The Israeli right wing is insane
      Israel will fall apart eventually unless some sanity is restored to Israeli policy

      And those 5 people will not be the last to die for a pointless cause.

    • eljay
      November 19, 2014, 8:18 am

      >> y.f.: There are two types of reactions to such an event: a human reaction and a political reaction. Phil and the commentators here have provided the political reaction that one would expect here. But nary a word in the direction of a human reaction. Hardened hearts, anyone?

      Here is my reaction:

      >> jon s: Horrific terrorist attack this morning , on a synagogue in Jerusalem.

      I condemn the attack and sincerely hope that the perpetrators are brought to justice.

      I tried to find a similarly succinct “human reaction” comment from you regarding either the murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir or of the inhabitants of Gaza during Israel’s most recent assault on that population. I couldn’t find anything relating to the former, and the only comments I could find relating to the latter were padded with political / philosophical commentary.

      Hardened heart, y.f.?

      • yonah fredman
        November 19, 2014, 8:37 pm

        although the level is the junior high school yard rather than the halls of the networks, the reaction: “you have a hardened heart too or first” is essentially a political reaction, emphasizing the point.

        here’s what amira hass wrote in wednesday’s haaretz:
        “Palestinians believe that all means, including armed struggle are legitimate to fight the occupation. but in private conversations, even those who support killing Israelis seem embarrassed by an attack on civilians at prayer.”

        Pro forma condemnations are better than no pro forma condemnations, but it is this element of embarrassment that I find utterly lacking here. Maybe on the West Bank, where their lives are on the line, they are allowed the luxury of embarrassment and here in the peanut gallery, only hard hearted realism is the only option for those not on the front line. but the embarrassment that hass described finding among the Palestinians has been utterly lacking here in the comments section, at least of this post.

      • Bumblebye
        November 19, 2014, 9:13 pm

        I cannot feel very much sympathy for a group of men who emigrated to become occupiers/tools of occupation. Why should I feel any embarrassment? How much influence did they and their fellows interpretations of religious texts have on Mohamed abu Khdeir’s killer? Where are your comments on the obvious cover-up over the murder of the bus driver? Before you give those who blatantly lie for their corrupt criminal state, take a look at a photo that clearly shows lividity on his back (proving he was lyingbflat for some while *before* being hanged):

      • yonah fredman
        November 19, 2014, 10:21 pm

        Bumblebye- Well, you make it clear that you are happy these people were murdered. Clarity is a step forward. no, let me amend that. You are not happy, but not upset either.

        I assume that the bus driver was murdered by Jewish extremists. These extremists are dangerous and immoral. They should be caught and imprisoned for long sentences.

      • Donald
        November 19, 2014, 11:54 pm

        “but the embarrassment that hass described finding among the Palestinians has been utterly lacking here in the comments section, at least of this post.”

        I don’t agree. Several of us agree that the murders of the rabbis were horrifying. Am I “embarrassed”? I suppose I am, at human beings in general. Why is it that some people think that injustice can be answered with more injustice? Why taint a good cause with a disgusting set of murders? But people do this all through history. Maybe under the wrong circumstances I’d do something terrible myself–I hope not, but I don’t wish to find out. It’s upsetting, but it’s not an affliction peculiar to Palestinians who suffer under the boot of Israeli oppression. Incidentally, I found that link to Amira Hass at Finkelstein’s website and was glad to read that Palestinians were privately embarrassed at this act, even those who generally support armed resistance. But you can’t count on every member of an oppressed people to always hold themselves to standards their oppressors don’t follow.

        But you came into this thread insisting on missing the point of the original post and what some of us keep pointing out–most of the American reaction, both the Obama Administration and in the press, has been hypocritical. The US government basically funds the killing of Palestinians by Israel, yet we only hear these kinds of full-throated moral condemnations of atrocities from our government when a Palestinian is guilty. Does this hypocrisy matter to you? I assume that it does, but that you are so intent on making your point about our alleged lack of embarrassment you refuse to acknowledge the importance of the issue, instead choosing to trivialize it by saying it is “political”. Do you really think that it is mere “politics” to point out that the country which helps Israel kill Palestinian children is in no position to lecture Palestinians about morality? It seems like basic morality to me.

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 1:57 am

        well, that’s a first, yonah– you are quoting Amira Hass. little steps!

        (thanks, Donald for your good comments. thank you as well, Bumblebye)

      • eljay
        November 20, 2014, 8:38 am

        >> y.f. @ November 19, 2014, 8:37 pm

        A great “junior high school yard” non-answer, full of the usual dodge and deflect. Why the hardened heart?

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2014, 10:25 am

        “Bumblebye- Well, you make it clear that you are happy these people were murdered”

        How long are we going to have to put up with this? Look he can do it to me if he wants, but now Bumblebye? And what, Yonah, has Bumblebye ever said or done to you that you make this (again, completely unfounded, with no example or quote) Is this going to be a constant feature of Mondo from now on, Yonah telling us we are glad when Jews or Israelis die? That’s just a little much.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 10:38 am

        In all the hubbub about our lack of human feelings I kind of missed this bit from yonah:

        . . . although the level is the junior high school yard rather than the halls of the networks . . .

        I don’t know how vaunted the networks are where he comes from, but here in the states, they’re pretty much at the level of a junior high school yard — one-sided, loud, rude, uninformed, petty, mean, self-serving & shallow.

        For unintended irony, he’s doing pretty good.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 11:23 am

        “Eljay” and “Horizontal”, please refer to Yonah’s personal commenting policy, quoted and linked above in this thread.

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 8:55 am

      A full-throated supporter of Israel accusing anyone else of having a hardened heart would first require that individual to have a bit of alone time to reflect.

      We’ll talk when you get back to us.

      • Kay24
        November 20, 2014, 9:11 am

        Come now Horizontal, doesn’t a decades long occupation, land grabs with home demolitions to build illegal settlements, and collective punishment, prove how soft hearted the side Yonah keeps defending, must be? May I add they are so compassionate they even sell the water back to the victims they steal from. I am so puzzled as to why such a warm and soft hearted nation is one of the most disliked in the world!!

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 9:59 am

        Thanks, Kay. I see now I got it all wrong. As far as Israel’s low ranking, well, that’s just the anti-Semitic world at it again.

        (Wow, I get the appeal of thinking like this: everything suddenly becomes so easy.)

      • Kay24
        November 20, 2014, 10:31 am

        All true Horizontal, they are the victims of an occupied people who are one of top weapons manufacturers in the world, and have one of the most brutal armed forces, when I think of it, I sob my heart out feeling so much sympathy for these eternal victims.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 10:40 am

        You forgot: These weapons are expensive and we only give them $3 billion a year to squeak by on. Makes you want to have a bake sale or something.

      • Kay24
        November 20, 2014, 10:53 am

        So true, I feel we Americans are not doing enough for our bestest ally, after all they have shown us so much of respect and love by spying on us, bombing our naval ship, and selling our weapons to China. I mean, is that love or what?

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 11:27 am

        Wow, talk about hard-hearted!
        Don’t you guys recognize the symptoms of being an oppressed, discriminated against, persecuted person?
        Everybody knows that one of the signs you have been persecuted for generations is demanding sympathy, and immediately condemning those who won’t give it in sufficient measure. That’s what happens to you when you’ve been beaten down for centuries. You get really demanding and morally imperious! Happens all the time.

  16. Blownaway
    November 18, 2014, 10:56 pm

    Yonah I’ve tried searching for one comment from you expressing human sympathy and understanding for the children of Gaza not just the ones killed but the ones hurting now homeless and hungry or the Palestinian children shot and killed while protesting in the last few weeks…couldn’t find a thing

    • just
      November 19, 2014, 12:25 am

      you can keep looking, blownaway. you won’t find it.

      lots of commenters have expressed “human reactions” and sadness @ the loss of lives today. i guess they weren’t Zionist enough, nor reflective enough for some.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 9:27 am

        Yonah’s tap dance about hardened hearts just doesn’t ring true to my ear, which makes it that much more shallow and crass, considering the circumstances.

        Everyone mourns in their own way; sorry if we’re not putting our human reactions on sufficient display, but then, maybe a political blog isn’t the best way to do this. Your mileage may vary.

        What we do here is disparage the brutal political reality that exists today in Israel — one that can only be created and maintained by the hardest of hard hearts — that encourages and then guarantees that atrocities like these will occur.

        You want wailing and gnashing of teeth? Sorry, not my style, at least not on the Internet, but also, you have no idea what goes on in my heart, either, so don’t pretend that you do.

        These tragic deaths have already been dipped in the toxic sauce of hypocrisy, thanks to our warped pro-Zionist political & media entities. This, too, is grossly unfair, as it makes them innocent victims all over again by the system that you endorse and support by your comments here, even though you probably don’t see how this cheapens real people by turning them into mere political chits — cherished victims if they’re Jewish, invisible if they’re Palestinian.

        By its very nature, the occupation can’t exist without innocent victims. Every day. Each life lost is a tragedy, on both sides. We disagree on how to end it, but the Zionists knew the costs going in, and went in anyway.

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 11:12 am

        I think it’s both a jig and a tap dance that’s meant to send us reeling.

        Horizontal, your comments are really very important imho.

    • American
      November 19, 2014, 9:01 pm

      ” but the embarrassment that hass described finding among the Palestinians has been utterly lacking here in the comments section, at least of this post ——yonah

      Once again…

      First, Palestines are better people than we are. Or you are . That’s a fact.
      Second, the only thing we have to be embarrassed about is our failure to stop the cause, the Isr occupation.

      Third, did you ever see the movie “Patton”..and the scene where he slapped the shit out of a sniveling, whining solider who refused to go back with his company and fight?

      If you did you should take it to heart as how Americans are not nearly as nice as Palestines. And Israel one day might have to answer to us instead of the kinder them.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 12:56 pm

        “First, Palestines are better people than we are. Or you are . That’s a fact.”

        It is a fact I did not want to credit at first, too. They didn’t need to be anybody special for Zionism and its actions toward them to be wrong and criminal. But it is true, they are amazing in so many ways. Their own virtues make them prey for Zionists and Israel, which is very frustrating.

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 10:01 am

      It’s a fool’s errand, Blownaway, and yonah knows it. Your time’s better spent hunting for Bigfoot.

      • yonah fredman
        November 20, 2014, 7:41 pm

        About 8 to 12 years ago for about four years between 2002 and 2006, I used to go to union square park in nyc and argue with the pro palestinian crowd. some of them were obtuse, but some were more human than others. and in the aftermath of killing of israelis i’d hope for some input of a human nature, and it would most often be totally missing in the obtuse ones of the crowd, but after some conversation i could elicit some words of true humanity from a few of the nonobtuse ones.

        the nature of a blog, without human eye contact and the freedom of a real street corner conversation is in fact less likely to lead to the “some word of true humanity” that i would sometimes hear.

        the war between the zionists and the palestinians is ugly and it will present many murdered dead bodies, including all the dead of gaza this summer (particularly the civilians, but in fact, all the dead) and the relatively small number of dead in jerusalem and other parts the last few weeks. people have to make a choice to allow themselves to feel. i know that no matter what i say right now about my feelings regarding dead Palestinians will not satisfy the demands that my words measure up to the demands that I make on you. the nature of the typewriter key board versus the in-person nature of physically being on the same street corner really does not allow for real human interactioin. (except when it is as hate filled and blood thirsty like “american” and his praise of patton).

        in fact my opposition to the war in gaza in 2008 and 2009 was a reaction to the body count and my inability to bear it any longer. the result is obviously insufficient for the israel bashing crew here, but in fact my own political position has changed as a result of a human reaction.

        also: the embarrassment that amira hass referred to was specifically because the killings were done in a place of worship. the palestinians actually respect worship and that’s why they were embarrassed (at least in this circumstance in the reportage of hass). people around here think, for the most part, that religion is evil, particularly the jewish religion and in fact the palestinians have respect for religion, including the jewish religion, and that goes a way to explain the difference between the reaction here and the reaction that hass experienced in israel/palestine.

      • just
        November 21, 2014, 8:06 am

        “people around here think, for the most part, that religion is evil, particularly the jewish religion”

        total, unmitigated bs.

      • just
        November 21, 2014, 8:17 am

        as for disrespecting religion, etc. check this out:

        “The attempted arson came only a week after a group of settlers attacked the village and torched a mosque as well as 12 copies of the Qur’an, Islam’s holy book, in an incident that sparked widespread Palestinian fury.

        According to Palestinian Religious Endowments Minister Yousef Adeis, in October alone Israeli settlers carried out 110 separate attacks on religious sites across the Palestinian territories.”
        – See more at:

        h/t Walid.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 11:32 am

        . “some of them were obtuse, but some were more human than others”

        See? Evolution is real! In a couple more eons, they might even be fully human! Hurray for Darwin!

        And please refer to Yonah’s personal commenting policy, quoted abopve in the thread. It gives him certain privileges the rest of us simply don’t have. On the other hand, some of us might be “more human than others”

        BTW, folks, this really humble, self-effacing, egalitarian point-of-view Yonah has? See that’s how you get when you’ve been persecuted. You know you are nobody special, and can’t go around judging everyone.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 11:34 am

        “in fact my opposition to the war in gaza in 2008 and 2009 was a….”

        Complete charade you just made up? Yonah, you’ve got an archive, don’t you realise that? Or is this just more of your own personal commenting policy?

  17. ckg
    November 19, 2014, 12:09 am

    How can an autopsy of a hanging rule out foul play? This question has been bothering me all day. I understand how an autopsy can prove foul play, but I don’t see how it can rule it out. And given the bruising, I wouldn’t rule it out.

    I only bring this up because Netanyahu calls this charge “blood libel.”

    • just
      November 19, 2014, 12:32 am

      Annie’s new post brings it up, too:

      “Kahanists attack school after synagogue killings”

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 10:11 am

      How can an autopsy of a hanging rule out foul play?

      My smart-alack answer is: Because it’s done in Israel; but to seriously answer your question, if it was murder it is assumed that the victim would fight back and so there would be evidence of scratches, bruises, skin under the fingernails or other signs of a struggle.

      Of course, political pressure can be brought to bear on the examiner doing the autopsy to come to a preordained conclusion.

  18. American
    November 19, 2014, 12:13 am

    Wiesel, Rabbi Boteach and Samatha Powers and The Jewish Values network presents:


    I actually had the urge to throw up when I saw this .
    Its evil. They are sick evil people.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 19, 2014, 1:25 am

      oh, did it happen? phil wrote about that

      • American
        November 19, 2014, 11:44 am

        annie…..I dont know if it happened, just noticed it last night on twitter.
        I don’t even want to follow up on it….its a cess pool of fear mongering and poisoning the Jewish well and society in general that turns my stomach.
        I’d like to have a fire hose to wash these people off the streets and into the sewer where they belong.

  19. OlegR
    November 19, 2014, 3:46 am

    So Mondoweiss is now into spreading blood libels about lynched Palestinian drivers.
    Not surprising.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 19, 2014, 1:32 pm

      oleg, do you recall when Arafat Jaradat died of extreme torture in Israeli custody – See more at:

      israel tried claiming he had a heart attack. it’s not a blood libel when it’s true. palestinians wanted to perform their own autopsy for al-Ramouni, but israel wouldn’t allow it. why would that be? you’re defending a gov that lies with impunity, all the time.

      blood libel blood libel blood screaming wolf, it’s lost all meaning in this context of occupation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide.

      • OlegR
        November 20, 2014, 3:25 am

        It’s nice how you bring an unrelated incident in which surprise the also PA tried to claim
        torture as if this somehow reinforces their current claims.

        The Palestinian coroner was present at the autopsy and signed the documents.
        He later recanted under pressure from the PA that wanted to spin the suicide to their advantage.
        Does it surprise you at all?
        Was there ever a case in which you didn’t believe the Palestinians claims about another Israeli atrocity ?
        Didn’t think so.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2014, 4:56 am

        He later recanted under pressure from the PA

        i didn’t find anything in your link. could you please let me know where you read it. and when you say “he recanted”, it’s my understanding he didn’t file a report until the next day. he “attended the autopsy on the family’s behalf”. the family requested there own autopsy and they were refused. he was allowed to attend as an observer. is there anything he signed his name on saying he agreed with the finding? was it some sort of group effort that required his opinion and the time?

        according to kogel “he agreed with the analysis” but this is the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute. rather notorious history with gross negligence (google chief pathologist for decades, dr.hiss) fabrications and other unsavory acts that lead to some court room drama as i recall. and speaking of recanting, wasn’t he the same person who revealed in an interview he’d collected body parts from palestinians after the israeli government was going to like, boycott somecountry that published those facts which threw the whole country int oa hissy fit of denial?

        so, Israel refused to allow the body to be moved into a palestinian facility even tho ramouni was not a criminal in any sense of the word. refused a team of palestinian doctors to perform the autopsy. and now you expect me to believe kogel’s words over a representative of the family? and, as far as i have heard they have not made the “official” autopsy, that have not given it to the family. so, did you think there might be some reason why haaretz didn’t mention in the article the reason why the palestinian doctor didn’t think it could have been a suicide?

        He said the autopsy revealed that the man’s first vertebra was not dislocated, which is usually the case in hangings by suicide. Moreover, he noted, signs of liver mortis – the settling of the blood after death – were found on the buttocks of the body rather than in the lower limbs, where they should be in the case of a suicide.

        i think under the circumstance israel should have been transparent with the family. and there’s no evidence he ever recanted anything. just kogel’s word, why should we believe him? maybe it was he who was pressured to say this.

      • OlegR
        November 20, 2014, 5:13 am

        So we are back to the who do we believe and what are the facts ?
        You don’t believe anything Israel official would say though unlike the PA Israel is known for investigating and prosecuting Jewish offenders against Arabs.
        You immediately think conspiracy though there was an autopsy and a PA doctor was present at it.
        Fine i am not here to change you world view these are the facts as we know them
        the readers will decide who to believe.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2014, 4:21 pm

        Israel is known for investigating and prosecuting Jewish offenders against Arabs.

        are you kidding me? something like less than 97% of yesh din complaints led to indictments. don’t you mean they have been known in the past, on rare occasion, to actually investigate and prosecute a Jewish offenders against palestinians (like one for every thousands of offenses, or haven’t you been following “proce tag attacks” abetted by israeli soldiers)? israel is most definitely not “known” for what you claim, they are notoriously “known” for the exact opposite!

        You don’t believe anything Israel official would say

        i believe an Israel official would say anything to get israel off the hook. this is the same government that claimed there were no dead bodies after the nakba day killings and whose ambassador went on american tv and claimed palestinians had staged the video!

        these are the facts as we know them

        no they aren’t. they are the allegations by a gov who repeatedly lies and spends 100’s of millions on advocating themselves as global victims. facts don’t even enter into it when it comes to the desperate claims of those you represent.

      • seafoid
        November 20, 2014, 8:04 am


        I had a look at your profile

        Soviet Union born, Israeli raised , Jew, Humanist, Liberal –

        So tell us what you think of home demolitions , you “Jew, humanist, Liberal”

      • seafoid
        November 20, 2014, 8:35 am

        Was there ever a case in which you didn’t believe the Palestinians claims about another Israeli atrocity ? –


        Was abu Khdeir gay ? Was he murdered by his own family ?
        Does anything the Israeli police say about the deaths of Palestinians have any link with reality ?

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 8:50 am

        “Was there ever a case in which you didn’t believe the Palestinians claims about another Israeli atrocity ?”

        Was there ever a case in which anyone can believe the Israelis about another Israeli atrocity committed against any Palestinian that they covered up, denied, failed to punish, prosecute, or ANYTHING ELSE that a CIVILIZED society would do?

        I’ll wait over here in the corner for your answer, OlegR, while you wail about your “blood libel”. If you have time, you might also find the missing CCTV tapes and court documents.

      • seafoid
        November 20, 2014, 9:01 am

        Bot moans about blood libel are nuts. Israel kills Palestinians with impunity. Jews in the Pale of Poland who were accused of murdering kids for matzos were as defenceless as Palestinian civilians now are. Israel is the New Cossack state.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 10:15 am

        OlegR ~

        What’s the deal with the “blood libel?” Isn’t plain old libel good enough anymore?

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2014, 10:30 am

        “Soviet Union born, Israeli raised , Jew, Humanist, Liberal”

        This is where I wave my arms like they are corrugated tubes, and my hands are mechanical hooks, and say “Danger, Will Robinson, danger! Does not compute, does not compute!”

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 10:44 am

        Maybe he spends all his time in a glass case in a Tel Aviv museum.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2014, 4:34 pm

        what do you mean “PA tried to claim”! it’s the same lying Forensic Institute for heavens sake. didn’t you read about the chief pathologist having a museum of 1000’s of stolen organs? for christs sake oleg. get a grip.

        It’s nice how you bring an unrelated incident

        you’re welcome. context matters so i am glad you appreciate it. and although the incident itself, the crime, was unrelated, the character of one of the parties is the same. iow, when investigating if a crime had taken place one might mention if someone had a past history of murder or lying. in this case, the institute, a government institution, has no credibility.

    • Kris
      November 19, 2014, 10:58 pm

      I think that “blood libel” is meaningless to most Americans, Oleg R.

      Netanyahu said that for people to suspect that the Palestinian bus driver didn’t commit suicide in his bus, but was murdered by Israelis, is a “wild blood libel.” Which sounded to me as if he was (oddly, but, then again, Netanyahu is beyond odd!) referring to the organs that Israeli doctors have removed from Palestinians without their consent. Reporting this was no doubt called a “blood libel,” but then Israel admitted it was true. (

      So I looked “blood libel” up, and here is the definition: “an accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Christians in religious rituals, especially in the preparation of Passover bread.”

      Yawn. No one cares about Passover bread anymore. For an accusation to be libel, the accusation must be false and defammatory. It is not false and defamatory to question Israel’s story about the death of the Palestinian bus driver, it is realistic, given Israel’s history of lying.

  20. CigarGod
    November 19, 2014, 9:20 am

    Well, how could they say anything else? We have been co-opted. The good news is, history repeats itself…or is that the bad news? In any case, it is the nature of our planet. Maybe the primitives of religion and politics will one day be found by archeologists…hammering away at sedentary layers in a desert somewhere.

    • CigarGod
      November 19, 2014, 9:22 am

      Sedementary. Damn phone thinks it can read my mind. At least I figured out how to turn off the cuss censor.

      • Horizontal
        November 20, 2014, 10:17 am

        Well the layers are pretty sedentary at that.

        (BTW, You’ll love our no edit button.)

  21. seafoid
    November 20, 2014, 9:10 am

    It is more than just the cost free occupation. Israelis are educated to believe that Palestinians are not fully human. They can’t see beyond Jewish pain.

    “Aside from exceptional murders and hate crimes by individuals, there is total apathy — and the obtuseness is frightening. Killings (we dare not say murders) by soldiers and policemen will never shock Israel. The propaganda machine will whitewash everything, and the media will be its mouthpiece. No one will demand condemnations. No one will express shock. Few will even consider that the pain is the same pain, that murder is murder.
    How many Israelis are willing to give a thought to the parents of Yousef Shawamreh, the boy who went out to pick wild greens and was killed by an army sniper? Why is it exaggerating to be upset by, or at least give some attention to, the killing of Khalil Anati, a 10-year-old boy from the Al-Fawar refugee camp?
    Why can’t we identify with the pain of bereaved father Abd al-Wahab Hammad, whose son was killed in Silwad, or with the Al-Qatari family from the Al-Amari refugee camp, two members of which were killed by soldiers within a month? Why do we reserve our horror for the synagogue and not consider these killings disturbing?
    Yes, there is the test of intent. The typical Israeli argument is that soldiers, unlike terrorists, do not intend to kill. If so, then what exactly is the intent of the sniper who fires live bullets at the head or chest of a demonstrator a distance away who poses no threat? Or when he shoots a child in the back as he’s running for his life? Didn’t he intend to kill him?
    The attack in Jerusalem was a horrendous crime; nothing can justify it. But the blood that flowed there is not the only blood being spilled here murderously. The degree to which it is forbidden to say that is incredible. ”

    Israel is such a sick society

    • Horizontal
      November 20, 2014, 10:28 am

      There’s a lot of one-sidedness coming out of this sad story, and it’s not that we here at Mondoweiss are the uncaring ones as some pretend.

      If Israel is a sick society — and I believe that it is — then American society has a high grade fever. How many secret wars, tortures and atrocities are we committing around the globe? Do we even know the half of it? Do we even want to know? I know you and I do, but society in general, I mean.

      Put a uniform on a person and suddenly they can get away with all kinds of things that would otherwise be labeled as terrorism. That word is now more for political convenience than it is for communicating accurate information. But its victims are just as dead.

      • just
        November 20, 2014, 7:22 pm


  22. Chu
    November 20, 2014, 4:05 pm

    This synagogue hit has led to the discussion of Baruch Goldstein in the Forward check this out. They have comments apologising for Baruch Goldstein’s actions 20 years ago and it’s not just one comment (and people think MW comments are bad):

    “@azkenamer · 8 hours ago
    I think it is important to remember what exactly pushed Dr. Goldstein over the edge. I hope the readers please take into account that his job was treated the survivors of Arab terror attacks. He was Israel’s top trauma doctor and was about to be promoted to IDF major before the killing. His best friend Mordechai Lapid (a former Soviet refusenik and prisoner) and his son died in his arms during the surgery two nights before the attack. They were victims of Arab terror as well as hundreds of others. Some lived and some died. You would have to be super human in order for these things not to effect you. He was an activists but most simply demonstrate without killing people. In any event I thought this was a well written editorial. I agree with it. The fact that no solutions are offered might be because they have not been formulated or perhaps there are no solutions.”

    • Kris
      November 20, 2014, 11:17 pm

      Many thanks, Chu. The video that you linked to is extremely funny.

      Ami Horowitz, a “media personality,” is shown at UC-Berkeley, doing an experiment with flags to determine which–Israel or ISIL–students hate more.

    • just
      November 20, 2014, 11:39 pm


    • light2014
      November 21, 2014, 1:47 am

      George Deek, an Arab Israeli, addressing a conference in Oslo ,Norway in Sept. 2014.
      His family has lived in Jaffa for centuries.
      In this video he relates the experiences of his family especially his grandfather’s brave decision .
      He outlines the path hearts and minds should take to reach a better life for all sides.


      • Mooser
        November 21, 2014, 1:01 pm

        “George Deek, Israel’s vice ambassador to Norway, giving a lecture in the House of Litterature in Oslo, during a MIFF event 27 September 2014.”

        Oh, please. Well, at least the You-Tube commenters are on to him. And his recipe for Vichysauce.

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