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Fireworks in Ramallah, as Abbas signs treaty to join International Criminal Court

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Fireworks are exploding throughout Ramallah in celebration of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s surprise move to sign the Rome Statute along with 21 other international treaties, one day after his draft resolution seeking to end Israel’s occupation through negotiations failed to pass the United Nations Security Council.

Abbas had held off in the past on acceding to the Rome Statute, which allows the Palestinian government to present charges against Israel in the International Criminal Court (ICC). The signing tonight was unexpected.

The letters to join the conventions were inked in a meeting with Palestinian leaders at the Muqataa, the seat of the Palestinian Authority, at 6:45pm Jerusalem time. “We have a right to sign all of the international conventions and agreements,” said Abbas after a raising of hands from Palestinian leaders in favor of acceding to the Rome Statute and the other international treaties. Then Chief Palestinian Negotiator Saeb Erakat, a longtime advocate of joining the ICC, presented him with the letters and a pen. After the vote, the Palestinian leaders and media clapped, and copies of the documents were distributed to the committee members.

The signing of the letters followed a state ceremony also at the Muqataa to mark the 50 year anniversary of the founding of Abbas’s Fatah political party. But the announcement came after the thousands of Fatah supporters had cleared from the government compound.

Abbas said joining the convention was a result of yesterday’s vote at the Security Council where he sought, “A time limit for the negotiations, to end the occupation and to give us a Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital,” he said in his address tonight.

“There was some pressure to delay this act,” continued the president, “we were expecting to have nine votes because we know who is with us and who is not and at the final moment one country withdrew.” An official with the Palestinian Authority said Nigeria had committed to vote in favor of the resolution and in a surprise move, changed their vote without notice. “We hoped that if we had nine votes that the Americans would not veto it,” Abbas added.

Abbas’s move to join the ICC opens the gate for Palestine to take Israel to the court over violations of the Fourth Geneva Conventions, specifically over Israel’s settler population living in the West Bank. Over 500,000 Israeli settlers reside in the occupied territory.

The State Department condemns the move. It

“will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace…”

AP’s Matt Lee reports, and:

“We strongly oppose #Palestinian action at the #ICC,” per @statedept. “Counter-productive” and does nothing for statehood aspirations.

Israel has also condemned. PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s comments:

“It is the Palestinian Authority – which is in a unity government with Hamas, an avowed terrorist organization that, like ISIS, perpetrates war crimes – that needs to be concerned about the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

“We will take steps in response and we will defend the soldiers of the IDF, the most moral army in the world.

“We will rebuff this additional attempt to force diktat on us just like we rebuffed the Palestinian appeal to the UN Security Council.”

The New York Times characterizes Palestine’s action as a “provocative move” in defiance of Israeli and American warnings:

President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority signed papers Wednesday to join the International Criminal Court, a provocative move that could lead to the prosecution of Israeli officials on charges of war crimes and risks severe sanctions from Washington and Jerusalem.

The Times doesn’t usually tell its readers what to think in such blatant manner. As for Israeli settlements? Earlier this year, settlements just seem provocative to some:

Critics of Israeli settlement policy see every push forward as a provocation that further hampers the prospects for a two-state solution.
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  1. Blownaway on December 31, 2014, 1:30 pm

    It’s hysterical that anyone with any semblance of credibility thinks the Palestinians should continue to put their fate in the hands of the U.S. and Israel. That just leaves the NYT because that belief is institutional and Abbas because it’s financial. Every one else seems to recognize the fraud.

    • Blownaway on December 31, 2014, 1:31 pm

      PS I still think he’s bluffing

      • Walid on December 31, 2014, 2:33 pm

        I agree; “fireworks in Ramallah” is like getting drunk from an empty cup.

    • spktruth200 on January 1, 2015, 9:36 am

      The US and Israel two of the worst rogue terrorist nations can overrule the entire UN? Of course UK and Zionist Austrailia always follow along….the World Zionist Organization have their claws firmly into these governments….its time for Palestine to ignore both US and Israel and go to the ICC…bravo.

      • Pixel on January 2, 2015, 6:33 am


        I’m with you on the UK and Australia.

        When it comes to Zionist infiltration / control, they seem to get pretty short shrift, here.

        I don’t know why that is.

        I think it’s pretty serious in both governments.

  2. JLewisDickerson on December 31, 2014, 1:36 pm

    RE: The State Department condemns the move. It “will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace…” ~ Deger

    MY COMMENT: The Palestinians should make it perfectly clear that under absolutely no circumstances (cross their hearts and hope to die) will they participate (either directly, or indirectly) in another so-called “peace process” brokered by the U.S. (i.e., “Israel’s lawyer”).

    In the unlikely event a U.S. administration really tried to be an “honest broker”, Israel would still be able to get its way by going around the administration directly to the fundy-infested , AIPAC-beholden U.S. Congress (as was done to veto the moratorium on building in the settlements during negotiations). By virtue of Israel’s chokehold on the U.S. Congress, it has an absolute veto over virtually anything any administration (the President, Secretary of State, “special envoys” etc.) might try to do in regards to Israel-Palestine.

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    • JLewisDickerson on December 31, 2014, 4:38 pm

      P.P.S. RE: “fundy-infested” – me (from above)

      ARGUABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN: fundie-infested

      • bryan on January 2, 2015, 4:12 am

        If you meant infested by fundamentalist bigots then I would accept “fundy”; if you were referring to a deep sewer of political corruption, then “fundie” is probably better.

    • peeesss on January 1, 2015, 2:11 am

      A simplistic question: The Security Council has 15 members. Why is nine votes needed for a majority , not eight.?

    • RockyMissouri on January 1, 2015, 10:42 am

      An excellent comment..!!

  3. Sycamores on December 31, 2014, 1:39 pm

    brilliant! bring on 2015

    • seafoid on December 31, 2014, 2:09 pm

      Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid also denounced the Palestinian president’s signing of the Rome Stature, saying that Abbas has made “a huge mistake.” “It is the Palestinians and their terror organizations who commit war crimes … the IDF is the most moral army in the world and its soldiers and commanders do everything in their power to prevent harming innocents.”


      “A senior Israeli military officer, in a telephone briefing with foreign reporters, said Israel would strike the Beit Lahia area from late evening on Sunday. “The enemy has built rocket infrastructure in between the houses [in Beit Lahia],” the officer said. “He wants to trap me into an attack and into hurting civilians.”
      The leaflet warned: “Those who fail to comply with the instructions will endanger their lives and the lives of their families. Beware.””

      “Saleem also described the assault on Shujai’iya Sunday that killed at least 67 people – some fighters but mostly civilians – in one night:
      The night the Shuja’ayia district was targeted, we were watching the thunderous light of the shelling that never stopped. All the Israeli military machine was focused on a sole place. We could not help in evacuating the bodies, but we bought some food and clothes for the bereaved families as well as the wounded. It was a risky move, but it was hard to stay at home watching our people dying. The hospital was full of kids and women who came individually, they did not know about their families. I saw a woman who fled the shelling by herself though her kids were buried at home. She could not stay at home any longer to save them. The hospital’s garden and the nearby streets were full of people who fled Shuja’ayia district. They were moved to the UNRWA schools later on.
      Nfooz Al Shawish, a middle-aged woman who fled her home in Shejaia after she received an automated phone call from the Israel Defence Forces in the early days of the bombardment, warning her to leave. As we speak, she is hurrying back to the shelter with some meat and rice that friends have given her. “I cried,” she says of her first look at battered Shejaia at the weekend. “Nobody could tell where their houses were.””

      “ZAKARIA: Let me switch gears with you, Zbig, and ask you about the Israeli invasion of Gaza. Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that this was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force, but it has been — it has been quite a robust use of force and the most recent attacks apparently 60 Palestinians have died.

      Do you think that it is going to succeed the Israeli stage?

      BRZEZINSKI: No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution from Israel — with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that. Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza which is so lethal.

      I think he is isolating Israel. He’s endangering its longer-range future and I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N.”

      Abbas did this for Gaza and also for Judaism.

      “Hassan, who has worked at the mental health center since 1991, spoke a lot in our conversation about the meaning of psychological treatment during periods of unrelenting and continuing trauma. “I came to the conclusion that such treatment is not ethical,” he said. “For 23 years, I have been trying to help children living in trauma, but there is no guarantee that they will not be affected again. It’s as if I am just preparing them to deal with something worse. You cannot provide true psychological treatment when the patients have no protection, no guarantee that it won’t happen again and soon, when what causes trauma never ends,” he said.
      “What is at issue here is a lot more than individual, separate cases,” he continued. “Even when there is no war, there is no stability in the Gaza Strip, and in a situation like this, how can psychological treatment help? One political decision on Israel’s part — lifting the blockade — could do a lot more good than all of the psychological treatment performed in Gaza and all of the quantities of money invested in them. The long-standing blockade limits our field of vision, our broader outlook, our creativity. The occupation is not only of land. The blockade is not just of goods, objects. The occupation is also cognitive, of one’s will, of feelings and thoughts. The siege is also over the ability to hope.”
      “When an entire family is killed, society’s primary source of support is lost,” Hassan Ziadeh said in a phone call from Gaza. “When Israel targets entire families, it is destroying a social institution.” ”

      1. Elizabeth Tsurkov @Elizrael • 3h
      New Channel 10 poll: 87% of Israelis support continuing the operation in Gaza, 7% support a cease-fire

  4. annie on December 31, 2014, 1:41 pm

    this is exactly what i predicted and why i thought he didn’t delay the vote, because this is a better option than the resolution yesterday. YEAH.

    • seafoid on December 31, 2014, 1:51 pm

      It’s way better. It’s chess now, not schoolyard bullying.

    • CloakAndDagger on December 31, 2014, 1:58 pm

      @ annie

      Yes you were right. Now we need to wait for 60 days before a case can be presented to the ICC. Let’s see what happens then.

      • CloakAndDagger on December 31, 2014, 2:09 pm

        Even once the 60-day waiting period is over, the UN security council has the power to stop ICC investigations from proceeding, and the prosecutor’s office can decide whether investigations should lead to indictments. Israel, the US and their allies can be expected to use all the lobbying power at their disposal to make sure Israeli soldiers and politicians are not indicted. Acquiring ICC membership and satisfying Palestinians demands for justice could prove to be very different things.

        The hurdles never end…

      • joemowrey on December 31, 2014, 2:33 pm

        As CloakAndDagger points out below, signing these letters is a far cry from acting on them. Abbas is a snake in the grass. He works for Israel and the U.S. Everything he does is calculated to postpone any advancement for the Palestinian people. I hope no one is going to hold their breath waiting for him to act. And even if he does manage to take some kind of action, the hurdles are many and he knows this in advance. As usual, he can look like he is doing something without there being any possibility that anything will come of his actions.

        Suggesting that it is better that Abbas forced a vote too early (one he knew he would lose) so that he could then sign these treaties is somewhat disingenuous. He should have waited to call for the vote, AND signed the treaties. Why are people implying that it was an either/or choice?

      • ritzl on December 31, 2014, 2:36 pm

        I wonder if that approval is in the form of an affirmation or an acquiescence.

        IOW, does there have to be a veto-able motion (US veto) to go forward, or would it be a veto-able (e.g. China veto) motion to end rhe process?

        So many new things to talk about…

      • Boomer on December 31, 2014, 3:43 pm

        Cloak&Dagger, your subsequent link to the Guardian, with the comment that the Security Council can block ICC action, leaves me wondering if this development really has any significance.

      • Abierno on December 31, 2014, 3:57 pm

        @Cloak and Dagger: As I understand it, in order for the Security Council to shut down an ICC investigation and action, an affirmative vote from all permanent members and a majority of the non permanent members is needed. Reviewing the permanent members – Russia, China, UK, US and France. Only the US could be guaranteed to vote yea; Russia, China and France could by expected to vote not to shut it down. The non permanent members, I think, are Chad, Malaysia, Venezuela, New Zealand, Spain, Angola, Chile, Jordan, Nigeria and Lithuania. Getting a majority from this group would not be easy even with the most intense arm twisting. Thus, Abbas, by getting the US to torpedo Palestine’s initial resolution with the 2014 council, has moved the ICC debate in the Security Council to the 2015 group, which is far less favorable to either the US or Israel. Meanwhile, Jordan remains on the council to – in the case of severe US intransigence – reintroduce the original resolution (or an amended version) with the US/Israel fighting both actions. Inquiring minds would seriously doubt that the insouciant team of Rice, Kerry and Power could effectively navigate such a challenge.
        Israel could be guaranteed to respond with violence, further land theft and harassment and imprisonment (if not outright assassination) of those Palestinian authorities they could get their hands on, be they Fatah, PA, PLO or Hamas. Netanyahu is already indicating they are all Hamas, and members of his party and other rightest parties have stated that this is war,
        and murder of these Palestinian traitors is sanctioned. Meanwhile, Palestine plays by the rules in direct contrast to Israel’s ever increasing fascism, racism and violence, further
        cementing the obvious fact that Palestinians need their own state, with their own or international security forces. An international protectorate will most probably be necessary
        (like the one in East Timor.)

      • CloakAndDagger on December 31, 2014, 6:10 pm

        @ abierno

        I do not disagree with your understanding. I believe that all the right tools are there and the right members in the Security Council are there as well to execute on the right actions.

        What remains to be seen is if the those right actions are actually initiated given that the stars are finally in alignment. If someone other than Abbas were in charge, I may have been more confident.

        Moreover, I predict that Israel will once again use these latest developments as more excuse to perpetrate violence (cornered rats, etc.), and our venal congress will all but assist it in doing that.

  5. seafoid on December 31, 2014, 1:46 pm

    “The State Department condemns the move. It “will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace…” ”

    The wifebeater was said to be drinking heavily, armed with a hammer and looking for his wife

  6. W.Jones on December 31, 2014, 1:47 pm

    Hostage, are you there?

    I believe we had some discussions about the PA and the ICC.

    • Walid on December 31, 2014, 2:31 pm

      The only time I disagreed with Hostage’s excellent comments were in in his apologies for Abbas’ inactions that he felt were provoked solely under duress by the US that would threaten to cut off the Palestinians’ allowances.

      • W.Jones on December 31, 2014, 5:41 pm

        Hostage was complaining though that the Palestinians weren’t going to the ICC or trying to seek UN membership. and he blamed that partly on people who supported a 1SS, if I recall correctly.

        So it would be nice for Hostage to take notice of this latest news item.

    • ritzl on December 31, 2014, 2:38 pm


  7. seafoid on December 31, 2014, 1:50 pm

    “Abbas has been under heavy domestic pressure to take action against Israel following months of tensions fuelled by the collapse of US-brokered peace talks, a 50-day war between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza, a spate of deadly Palestinian attacks on Israeli targets and Israeli restrictions on Palestinian access to a key Muslim holy site in Jerusalem.

    Tuesday’s defeat in the UN security council further raised pressure on Abbas to act.

    “We want to complain. There’s aggression against us, against our land. The security council disappointed us,” Abbas said as he gathered a meeting of the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank.

    The long-threatened move to join the ICC came amid a palpable sense of fury in the Palestinian leadership on Wednesday over US- and Israeli-led efforts that derailed a UN resolution that called for the ending of the Israeli occupation by 2017 and the establishment of a Palestinian state based on pre-1967 borders with mutual land swaps.

    That UN resolution was strongly opposed by the US and Israel and saw both the US secretary of state, John Kerry, and Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, call the president of Nigeria, Goodluck Jonathan, on the eve of the vote to persuade him to abstain.

    Before the vote Palestinian officials believed Nigeria was set to back their resolution, which ultimately fell one vote short of a majority of nine votes.

    Turning to the international criminal court marks a major policy shift by transforming Abbas’s relations with Israel from tense to openly hostile. Abbas has been threatening to join the court since 2012, but held off under American and Israeli pressure. The Palestinians can use the court to challenge the legality of Israeli settlement construction on occupied lands and to pursue war crimes charges connected to military activity.

    Senior Palestinian officials had warned in the weeks before the failed UN vote that the next step would be for Palestine to join the ICC – not least if the resolution was vetoed by the US.

    Abbas’s decision is expected to trigger a harsh response from Israel.

    Israel says all disputes should be resolved through peace talks, and such actions are aimed at bypassing negotiations.”

    “Livni is recorded confirming what Palestinians have always accused Israeli governments of doing: creating facts on the ground to prevent the possibility of a viable Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.”
    When Mr Erekat asked Ms Livni: “Short of your jet fighters in my sky and your army on my territory, can I choose where I secure external defence?”. She replied: “No. In order to create your state you have to agree in advance with Israel – you have to choose not to have the right of choice afterwards. These are the basic pillars.”

    “Israel takes more land [so] that the Palestinian state will be impossible . . . the Israel policy is to take more and more land day after day and that at the end of the day we’ll say that is impossible, we already have the land and we cannot create the state”. She conceded that it had been “the policy of the government for a really long time”.

    Another choice comment from Livni, this one from a Nov. 13, 2007 meeting, where she and Abu Ala (Qurei) were discussing what should be included in the “terms of reference” for the upcoming Annapolis meeting (the eighth meeting on this question):
    AA: International law?

    Livni : NO. I was the Minister of Justice. I am a lawyer…But I am against law — international law in particular. Law in general. If we want to make the agreement smaller, can we just drop some of these issues? Like international law, this will make the agreements easier.

    BTW Livni is a complete hypocrite

    “Livni claims her initiative “correctly translates the values of democracy in a way that will be acceptable to all the pragmatic and moderate elements in our region.”
    She proposes banning all parties that uphold violence and/or racism and/or do not respect international agreements.”

    What a vile turd

    • Walid on December 31, 2014, 2:15 pm

      “When Mr Erekat asked Ms Livni: “Short of your jet fighters in my sky and your army on my territory, can I choose where I secure external defence?”. She replied: “No. In order to create your state you have to agree in advance with Israel – you have to choose not to have the right of choice afterwards. These are the basic pillars.”

      Seafoid, you can write-off this idle chatter as pillow talk.

    • a blah chick on December 31, 2014, 2:45 pm

      “I am a lawyer…But I am against law — international law in particular. Law in general.”

      Could she have made herself any clearer?

  8. seafoid on December 31, 2014, 1:53 pm

    “It is the Palestinian Authority – which is in a unity government with Hamas, an avowed terrorist organization that, like ISIS, perpetrates war crimes ”

    Jesus, what about what Israel did bombing hospitals, UN shelters and schools andblowing up families, shelling kids playing football etc back in August ?
    does the bible give Israel a get out clause for that ?

    • JLewisDickerson on December 31, 2014, 2:32 pm

      Hey, at least give the guy a few points for “message discipline”!

      • Netanyahu Tells World Leaders ‘Hamas is ISIS and ISIS is Hamas’ –
      • Benjamin Netanyahu: ‘Hamas is ISIS’ –
      • Binyamin Netanyahu: Isis and Hamas ‘branches of the same poisonous tree’ –
      • Netanyahu at the United Nations: Hamas, Iran, ISIS and 100 cheering Israelis –

    • JLewisDickerson on December 31, 2014, 2:52 pm

      RE: “Jesus, what about what Israel did bombing hospitals, UN shelters and schools andblowing up families, shelling kids playing football etc back in August ? does the bible give Israel a get out clause for that ?” ~ seafoid

      MY REPLY: Glad you asked!*

      * SEE: Bachmann: ‘If We Reject Israel, Then There Is A Curse That Comes Into Play’, by Doug Mataconis, Outside the Beltway, 5/20/11
      [EXCERPTS] Apparently, Michele Bachmann bases her foreign policy views on obscure quotes from a book written 5,000 years ago:
      At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist.
      The Republican Jewish Coalition is the same organization that recently hired former Sen. Norm Coleman. . .
      . . . Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks at the RJC event:

      I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle. . .
      . . . So that is a very long way to answer your question, but I believe that an explicit statement from us about our support for Israel as tied to American security, we would do well to do that.

      Leaving aside the question of whether it would be a good idea to give any more political power to a person who apparently makes her foreign policy decisions based on religion rather than the facts on the ground and what might actually be in America’s national interest, I’ve really got to wonder if the author of this verse:

      The LORD said to Abram: “Go forth from the land of your kinsfolk and from your father’s house to a land that I will show you. I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the communities of the earth shall find blessing in you.

      really meant to say Bibi Netanyahu, right or wrong. Somehow, I think not.
      SOURCE –

      ✔ ALSO SEE:
      “We Ought to Support Israel because God Said So”
      The Myth of Abraham and America’s Allegiance to Israel,
      by Gary Leupp,, December 23, 2014
      LINK –

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 6:22 am

        “I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the communities of the earth shall find blessing in you. ”


        I’m finding some dissonance in the juxtaposition of “shall find blessing in you” and “international criminal court”

  9. amigo on December 31, 2014, 2:21 pm

    “does the bible give Israel a get out clause for that ? ” seafoid

    Of course it does .It is a book written by Jews , for Jews.Goy,s can write their own bibles as long as they include the part about Israel being belong to the Jews who have the most moral army in the only democracy in the middle East and are a light unto the nations and improve the lives of all citizens on this planet with their hi tech gadgets.
    Is that too much to ask.After all , it is God,s will for his chosen people.

  10. Walid on December 31, 2014, 2:27 pm

    It is the Palestinian Authority – which is in a unity government with Hamas, an avowed terrorist organization that, like ISIS, perpetrates war crimes – that needs to be concerned about the International Criminal Court in the Hague. -”

    According to the EU, Hamas is NOT a terrorist organization.
    When and where beyond chickenshit’s head did Hamas avow that it was a terrorist organization?

  11. Bornajoo on December 31, 2014, 2:47 pm

    “what a vile turd”
    Way too complimentary for that multi headed snake. She’s a liar, she’s deceitful, she’s a war criminal… I could go on

    Yes you were right. But I just saw a short analysis on Al Jazeera explaining just how easy it is for the USA to put pressure on the security council to stop even one case being filed at the ICC. They also have other ways and means of delay and obstruction. I have no doubt that the USA will use every possible means at its disposal to continue supporting their little rogue state at the expense of the Palestinians. And that rogue criminal state seems to be able to completely control USA foreign policy

    I’d like to be more optimistic but I cannot handle any more anti climaxes

    I’m not convinced he’s not bluffing either

    • seafoid on December 31, 2014, 2:53 pm

      Israel can respond very “harshly” to this latest development but vindictive Judaism hurts Jews too

      Sarcelles is a suburb of Paris with 37% youth unemployment.

      • Bornajoo on December 31, 2014, 3:13 pm

        Yes it does but this is also what the GOI wants to happen to Jews outside of Israel. In their sick and warped world this strengthens their case that Israel has to defend itself at all costs as the only safe and secure place for Jews and therefore “justifying” their crimes. In fact the more they suffer the better as this only strengthens their arguments. Mooser might agree with me on this

      • seafoid on December 31, 2014, 3:27 pm

        I see that but middleclass Jews who are happy living in France or England are not going to play that game of nihilism. I can’t see how it can fly.

      • Mooser on January 2, 2015, 12:05 pm

        “Mooser might agree with me on this”

        He might, but you have a unique, personal and well-expressed perspective based on your own experiences, and it’s a heck of a lot more authoritative then mine. You’ve lived it, I’ve just watched it.

  12. a blah chick on December 31, 2014, 2:51 pm

    ““will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace…”

    As I read this I kept seeing those little bodies in those ice cream coolers.

    Do these idiots EVER listen to themselves?

  13. amigo on December 31, 2014, 2:51 pm

    The most moral army has nothing to worry about say those who give them the orders.

    “Netanyahu added that Israel will act “to protect soldiers of the IDF – the most moral army in the world.”

    “Writing on his Facebook page, Lieberman said that “even a deaf, blind and dumb judge knows this, so Abbas better not threaten us, the country with the most moral army in the world.”

    “Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid also denounced the Palestinian president’s signing of the Rome Stature, saying that Abbas has made “a huge mistake.” “It is the Palestinians and their terror organizations who commit war crimes … the IDF is the most moral army in the world and its soldiers and commanders do everything in their power to prevent harming innocents.”

    Tell that to the Hague nuttyahoo.Maybe if enough zionists say it often enough , the rest of the world might begin to believe it.

    • Marnie on December 31, 2014, 3:44 pm

      It sounds like “the most moral army in the world” is getting jacked up to start more shit. Of course it’s all Abbas’ fault, first the unity government announcement last April, now this? Just who does this Arab think he is? He is making us make him make the Palestinian population self-genocide!

    • pjdude on December 31, 2014, 3:51 pm

      the IDF is the most coddled group of terrorists and war criminals the world has ever seen

  14. Rusty Pipes on December 31, 2014, 3:15 pm

    Any further information about the other agreements Abbas signed? According to Reuters:

    Other agreements approved by Abbas included several articles on the court’s jurisdiction, commitments against banned weapons and cluster munitions along with less controversial pledges on the political rights of women, navigation and the environment.

    Navigation agreements would seem essential not only for breaking the ocean siege of Gaza, but for asserting Palestine’s sovereignty over Gaza’s coast and its resources (fishing, natural gas, etc.). Israel is trying to bring the offshore gas to market and block surrounding countries (Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine) from claiming the gas in adjacent fields. Jordan is being pressured to sign contracts to buy natural gas from Israel rather than Egypt.

  15. ckg on December 31, 2014, 3:27 pm

    Earlier this year on Democracy Now, Ken Roth of HRW stated that if US officials supplied weapons to Israel while Israel engaged in war crimes then the American officials were subject to prosecution too. Now wouldn’t that be nice?

    • Rusty Pipes on December 31, 2014, 3:46 pm

      During the summer assault on Gaza (operation lemmings over the cliff), Israel took weapons from an American supply depot which Chuck Hegel claimed he had not authorized. I never heard the media follow up about exactly who did authorize the transfer.

      • Eva Smagacz on January 2, 2015, 8:39 am

        Since 2006, due to handywork of Pentagon procurement apparatchik call Keith Rowe, authorisation is no longer required. “Somehow” this agreement didn’t reach White House

      • Boomer on January 2, 2015, 10:52 am

        “I never heard the media follow up about exactly who did authorize the transfer.” I noticed the same thing, and thought it odd that our news media didn’t report exactly who did what and when. It seemed to me that the Obama Administration was trying to have it both ways, saying “don’t blame us” to those who were upset by American complicity in the slaughter of Palestinians, and to the Israelis who were doing the slaughter. There were hints in the press that the “White House” (whoever that is) had told DoD that the WH needed to scrutinize further weapons transfers. Then we learned from DoD that the transfers had been made. The additional information from Eva Smagacz elsewhere in this thread (no reply button), is the first I’ve heard of Keith Rowe. That’s very interesting, and of course leads to more questions.

        Some of the questions (but not all) are answered here, which I found thanks to having the name Eva provided:

    • Boomer on January 2, 2015, 2:13 pm

      The following report, dated Dec 17, seems highly relevant. It includes a reference to the Leahy Act and a significant quote from Richard Falk. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to insert it as a block quote, so I’ll use an open quotation mark at the beginning of each paragraph:

      “The US Senate has unanimously passed a bill supplying Israel with military equipment that would enable it to execute an air strike on Iran. The bill, titled the US-Israel Strategic Partnership Act, includes the sale of advanced aerial refueling tankers, which refuel fighter jets in midflight – necessary for Israeli fighter jets to reach targets in Iran. This is particularly noteworthy since the Bush administration had refused to provide Israel with refueling tankers.

      “The sale of the refueling tankers follows a 2013 arms sale to Israel that included V-22 Ospreys. Kenneth Pollack of the Brookings Institution stated shortly after the sale that Ospreys are “the ideal platform for sending Israeli special forces into Iran.”

      “The bill, which was also passed in the House earlier this year, expands the US weapons stockpile in Israel by a value of $200 million, to a total of $1.8 billion. Israel used weapons from this stockpile during its most recent military operation against Gaza, “Operation Protective Edge.” Israel also used the stockpile during its 2006 invasion of Lebanon.

      “The bill has generated concern among experts. Mike Coogan, legislative coordinator at US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, told RSN that the air refueling capabilities, expanded satellite cooperation, and access to US satellite data that the bill would grant Israel “sounds quite dangerous.”

      “It sounds like a formula for attacking Iran.”

      “The bill may also be in violation of the Leahy Law, which prohibits US weapons exports to military units responsible for consistent human rights violations. Israel’s most recent major military offensive, “Protective Edge,” would seem to have violated elementary human rights.

      “Richard Falk, former UN special rapporteur on Palestinian rights and professor of international law at Princeton, told this journalist, “the evidence that I’m aware of suggests the commission of serious crimes against humanity and war crimes in the course of this operation.”

      “The UN high commissioner for human rights likewise suggested that there was “a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes.” The UN secretary general condemned the high civilian death toll Israel inflicted upon the Palestinians: “I condemn this atrocious action. Israel must exercise maximum restraint and do far more to protect civilians.” Amnesty International called on the UN to “impose an arms embargo on Israel/Gaza.”

      “Andrew Feinstein, former minister of Parliament for South Africa and arms industry expert, told RSN that the bill is “in flagrant violation of the International Arms Trade Treaty, which the US supported and which prohibits the export of weaponry to countries engaged in conflict or where conflicts are likely to be extended or intensified by such exports.”


  16. amigo on December 31, 2014, 3:34 pm

    Rathke , “Actions like this are not the answer,” Rathke said, calling the latest action “badly damaging” and one of many that “undermine trust and create doubts about their commitment to a negotiated peace.”.

    So pray tell us Rathke , does stealing Israeli lands and building settlements for Arabs only appeal to your sensitivities.Maybe some Arabs only roads and buses for Arabs only.

    Do advise.We desperately seek your advice so we can operate inside your guidelines.

  17. HarryLaw on December 31, 2014, 3:35 pm

    Netanyahu…”We will take steps in response and will defend the soldiers of the IDF, the most moral army in the world” Utter garbage. The indictments will be against the planners of the settlement enterprise, you know people who initiated it like Netanyahu and the other war criminals who went before him, and on an individual basis.

  18. HarryLaw on December 31, 2014, 4:12 pm

    Boomer, Sorry no reply facility on your comment above I am pretty sure there can be no veto by the UNSC on an investigation by the ICC, certainly not on an individual basis otherwise the US/Israel would not now be going ape shit about it. I appeal to the Palestinians to give both the exceptional nation, and the chosen nation, both barrels.

    • Boomer on December 31, 2014, 4:44 pm

      @HarryLaw, thanks for your reply. As you observe, it does seem reasonable to infer from the reaction of Israel and the U.S. that something is at stake. I hope it works out well.

  19. seafoid on December 31, 2014, 5:07 pm
    MJ Rosenberg
    ‏@MJayRosenberg PA joining ICC. Happy New Year Bibi, Baby. You are thoroughly fucked. #Israel #Palestine

  20. Curatica on December 31, 2014, 5:28 pm

    This headline is unintentionally evocative of the significance of Abu Mazen’s gesture, which is nothing but fireworks: an ephemeral and illusory glitter of beautiful light which makes adults turned into children rejoice, but otherwise, has no substance or consequences. The Palestinians may need to suffer through the end of their despair.

    Although I am afraid that there will be no justice for them in this world, it doesn’t mean to say that man should not stand for truth and justice; this quest is what renders us humans and makes the promoters and contributors of this website highly commendable as dignified human beings.

  21. ivri on December 31, 2014, 6:16 pm

    The key point is that by now Israel and the PA are in fact in the same boat. There is still hard bargaining for how the final arrangement will look but both sides understand that there is no turning back on the track adopted – with the US as the guardian angel. The reason for that is elementary – the alternatives are Hamas doing to the PA what they did years back in Gaza (literally throwing them out of the windows) and Israel is the PA life insurance here. It has clearly demonstrated in the last Gaza war that it can always keep Hamas in check (perhaps that`s was one reason for the unusual harsh blows – to convince the PA about Israel total commitment in this regard).
    So whatever maneuvering will take place the fundamentals can`t change – Israel and the PA will continue on a set track, despite all the problems, for some workable arrangement and power-sharing.

    • Walker on December 31, 2014, 7:56 pm

      Man, what a bunch of crap.

      “Hard bargaining”. Tell me, ivri, what “hard bargaining” have the Palestinians been able to conduct with Israel, with the US as the guardian angel? What “hard bargaining” will they ever be able to conduct?

      None, that’s what. And that’s exactly what you and your sponsor prefer.

      • ivri on January 1, 2015, 9:24 am

        Wrong, Walker – in the end they will get their share of the pie, unlike the macho-playing Hamas. The West-Bank already looks better than a lot of the surrounding countries but not so Gaza.

    • a blah chick on December 31, 2014, 8:18 pm

      “It has clearly demonstrated in the last Gaza war that it can always keep Hamas in check”

      Yep, nothing brings home the realities of war like dead babies in ice cream coolers.

    • Walid on December 31, 2014, 11:33 pm

      “The key point is that by now Israel and the PA are in fact in the same boat.”

      That’s just it; they have always been so, even with Arafat.

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 5:31 am

        They were calling it “as salatah al filisteeniyeh” even when he was around, Walid.
        The fact they have their major events in Ramallah says it all.

      • Walid on January 1, 2015, 6:02 am

        “The fact they have their major events in Ramallah says it all.”

        I think they had given up Jerusalem even back then. Why would Abbas fight for Jerusalem when he admitted that he no longer has a right to return to live in Safed but only to visit. He later skated backwards to get out of this one in saying it was a slip of the tongue but the damage was done.

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 6:44 am

        I used to think that too, Walid. I remember being in Beit Sahour about 12 years ago looking at Jebel Abu Ghneim wondering how the Palestinians could have stopped what happened. Should they not have built some houses on the hill in the 60s? But how can you anticipate insanity ? Sometimes you can’t do anything. Sharon’s pastrami sandwich logic, that they would just do whatever they wanted and to hell with the consequences and the money and their process- it all seemed so strong. But they never got the buy in of the Palestinians in Jerusalem, did they ? And they can’t fix hasbara. And the international sympathy they had drips away with every massacre in Gaza.

        They have spent the last 70 years trying to wipe any trace of Palestinians from Erez Israel. and they can’t. There are old guys smoking nargileh all over Erez Israel right now and their wives may be listening to Fairuz.

        So the whole structure is now at risk.

        Power and authority are so interesting. You have to remember at the end of the day it is always about people. And they thought they could override that. Duh.

    • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 5:32 am

      ” It has clearly demonstrated in the last Gaza war that it can always keep Hamas in check”

      And that means denying Israelis check-in when the airport is bombed. Check mate

  22. Nite_Owl on December 31, 2014, 8:38 pm

    Ask yourself what kind of people are afraid to take their cases to a fair and open court? What kind of people would shun a proper investigation? What kind of people attack because someone asked them a question? Would that be the innocent or the guilty?

    • ivri on January 1, 2015, 2:59 am

      And the answer is: those people that understand that the court is biased against them and so don`t expect fairness from it. The UN is a coalition of political blocks, with “legal” measures subjugated to that (as it is in some countries: Turkey for instance).

      • Bornajoo on January 1, 2015, 5:56 am

        “And the answer is: those people that understand that the court is biased against them and so don`t expect fairness from it.”

        Oh of course!! The ICC is also anti semitic!

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 7:30 am

        Since when has Israel been fair ?

      • eljay on January 1, 2015, 7:58 am

        >> Bornajoo: Oh of course!! The ICC is also anti semitic!

        You took the words right out of hophmeee’s mouth. ;-)

      • Thalwen on January 1, 2015, 10:46 am

        Biased, as in, they aren’t allowed to set the agenda, make their own rules.
        Israel has an odd definition of fairness – if it gets to win, it’s fair; if there’s even a chance of it losing, it is irreparably biased. so, yes, by Israel’s standards, the ICC and the UN are unfair, even the U.S., which kowtows to nearly all of Israel’s whims, gets accused of being biased and unfair.
        It’s a ridiculous standard that no sane person should support.

  23. Walid on December 31, 2014, 11:37 pm

    “Ask yourself what kind of people are afraid to take their cases to a fair and open court? ”

    The kind that knows which side their bread is buttered on.

  24. petersz on January 1, 2015, 2:03 am

    The most “moral” army in the world shouldn’t have any problem defending its action at The Hague then! Lol

  25. NickJOCW on January 1, 2015, 4:11 am

    What is surprising is the expression of so much surprise. Abbas has done exactly what he said he would do in the progression in which he said he would do it, and in consequence he appears honourable, straightforward and reasonable. Oranges are not just for doing business with, they can be eaten.

    • Walid on January 1, 2015, 4:43 am

      Nick, ask the opinion of a Palestinian that doesn’t depend on a salary from the PA. The ICC? More of a dead-end than the UN itself; it’s more smoke and mirrors and a little bit of pulling a rabbit out of a hat or actually it’s about pulling Israel’s ass out of the fire. The ICC has a sorry 13 year record of almost nothing (1 acquittal and 1 conviction), somewhat like these empty and absurd fireworks. A summary from a U of Washington study about what to expect from the ICC (and I won’t go into the ineffeciency of its kangaroo offshoot that’s the special tribunal for Lebanon that after 8 years and a permanent staff of 600 that has cost over $500 million is still to come out with anything more substantial than circumstantial evidence to indict 5 people:

      “… Since the Rome Statute entered into force in 2002, the International Criminal Court (ICC or the Court) has encountered many challenges, undermining its legitimacy and credibility in the international community. This report argues that if the first ten years of the ICC’s existence are any indication of its potential in the long run, these challenges must be confronted over the next few decisive years. This is imperative to ensuring the Court reaches its full potential to bring justice to the most serious crimes of international concern under its jurisdiction. Currently, a lack of efficiency and effectiveness in producing results has led to a serious decline in its perception of legitimacy with the international community. To date, the ICC has produced only two verdicts: one conviction and one acquittal. With this poor track record, comprehensive improvements are essential for improving the Court’s capacity to prosecute crimes that threaten international peace and security.”

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 5:21 am

        It’s politics, Walid. If they can go to the ICC it means Israel is losing support.

        It’s the failure of hasbara, the fallout from last summer, the loss of patience with procrastination. It won’t be solved tomorrow but the trend looks clear. Israel is fucked.

      • Walid on January 1, 2015, 5:48 am

        Nice smooth music, seafoid.

        No doubt about Israel losing support, it started to from way back but the spectre of the Holocaust that has gotten it out of trouble all along is starting to fade. My concern is with timing, it’s taking too long. This why I’d like to see BDS turn its full attention to the boycotting of Israel rather than its settlements activities. SodaStream may be losing its fizz thanks to BDS but there are hundreds of others still going strong. I don’t know if what’s needed is a wooden stake or a silver bullet but something is urgently needed while there is something of Palestine still left to salvage. Israel has succeeded in playing the waiting or stalling game until a good part of the pre-48 refugees have died and from what we learned from the Palestinian Papers, Abbas’ PA had already conceded to Israel that out of the 6 million stateless Palestinians, only about 5,000 would be returning and that over an extended period of years.

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 5:56 am

        It is taking too long but it honestly doesn’t matter how many settlers there are in the West Bank. The Israeli view that time is relevant is wrong. They can’t sweep 1948 under the carpet and they doubled up on their mistake in 1967. Zionism is the problem. It will have to be taken out .

        Economic war is the least painful way to bring the structure down.

      • NickJOCW on January 1, 2015, 10:27 am

        Walid, I agree. But it doesn’t matter much. Retribution is not what it’s about. Joining the ICC itself strengthens the PA hand and causes grief in Tel Aviv. It’s like crossing thin ice, every move, however small, must take you safely in the right direction. BDS is less of an attack, more an effort to weaken Israel within. Furthermore, this move has actually taken Obama somewhat off the hook without precipitating the storm a veto or even abstention would have provoked. He has been actively trying to get the Europeans to pick up the baton and, teleologicaly, this development might even have been a cooked up between him and Abbas.

  26. Kay24 on January 1, 2015, 6:08 am

    “The State Department condemns the move.

    “It will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace…”

    Nothing like starting the New Year with the usual bull poop, America. “Will badly damage atmosphere” indeed. It has been already damaged by Israel’s refusal to cooperate even with the US, and sit its large behind at a peace table, and funny America said nothing when Palestinians were being blown up in Gaza, which also damaged the atmosphere. We are damn hypocrites.

    As for the reaction from the occupier, coming soon to stolen lands in the territories, more cursed illegal settlements for criminal squatters, Israel has yet another excuse, which DEFINITELY WILL DAMAGE THE ATMOSPHERE. One, two, three….

    • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 6:20 am

      “It will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace -”

      It’s hardly as hateful as blowing up families or bombing with white phosphorous.

      • Kay24 on January 1, 2015, 6:37 am

        Yes, and the US once again, attempts to insult the intelligence of the world, with this BS.
        It must be hard for US officials to keep making the miserable occupier always look the victim.
        I wonder who is paid, and how much, to keep making ridiculous statements like that.

      • seafoid on January 1, 2015, 8:33 am

        Israel Supreme court okays home demolitions

        Doesn’t quite tally with God’s chosen people , light unto the nations, world’s most moral army and other nonsense

        and here’s one for Hoppy and Jon and their fellow travelers

        ” At least 10 Israel Defense Forces soldiers committed suicide in 2014, including four who fought in Gaza in the summer, according to figures compiled by Haaretz. The IDF mental health chief, Col. Keren Ginat, said: “I don’t like to call it a suicide phenomenon, but in fact three soldiers taking their own lives after the operation is significant,” Ginat told a Knesset committee about two months ago. “I can’t say — and I don’t know whether I will ever be able to say — if it is connected to Operation Protective Edge or not. We are treating it as if it is,” she added. ”

        how many dead Jews is YESHA worth?

    • piotr on January 1, 2015, 12:53 pm

      The Hudson branch of the State Department, a.k.a. NYT, issued a more elaborate condemnation as “opinion of the Editorial Board”, toiling even as they had to prepare for New Year festivities. I suspect that the editorial was prepared ahead of time. For someone who grew up in a mildly totalitarian country, the article has all hallmark of unenthusiastic propaganda effort, so unenthusiastic that one has to suspect a specific instruction to use a light hand. Hence the official policy of DoS seems to be “we will do everything GoI wants, but grumpily”.

      The title is “The Palestinians’ Desperation Move”. The opening paragraphs seem to say that yeah, the Palestinians have a lot of reasons to be desperate,

      And, in truth, prospects for a two-state solution grow dimmer by the day, with right-wing Israeli politicians opposing a Palestinian state and the Israeli government, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, steadily expanding settlements, making the creation of a viable Palestinian state harder.

      But Mr. Abbas’s actions will almost certainly make the situation worse, setting back the cause of statehood even farther. By taking this tack before the Israeli elections, which are set for March 17, he has given Israeli hard-liners new ammunition to attack the Palestinians and reject new peace talks. And he may have set in motion the collapse of the Palestinians’ self-governing authority.

      Apparently, the purpose of the editorial is to provide some ammunition to Israeli soft-liners who would deign to engage in new (improved? more fiber?) peace talks. The consequences that the current and future GoI will have to suffer are that countries like Nigeria, Lithuania and United Kingdom will not see pro-Israeli actions as the sure way to ingratiate themselves with the mighty U.S.A. which in time may cause real problems.

      • Les on January 1, 2015, 1:19 pm

        The Times will defend Israel no matter what. NPR’s Behind the News defended coverage of the last war agaInst Gaza by attempting to show the coverage was fair to both sides, the way the German media likely portrayed both sides as having equal power during the battle of the Warsaw Ghetto. US media claims of neutrality in the long running battle between Israel occupiers and Palestinian resisters as if they had equal power, is anything but neutral.

      • RoHa on January 1, 2015, 6:10 pm

        I cannot help wondering whether this is part of a Cunning Plan.

        Perhaps the aim is to make it clear that there is no prospect whatsoever of a two state solution, and so push the world into supporting a one state solution.

  27. piotr on January 1, 2015, 1:08 pm

    As non-native speaker, it is for the first time that I have seen the phrase “to damage atmosphere with people”. The closest explanation I have found is this:

    Your thoughts and feelings, and the mental and emotional vibrations that emanate from you, create the atmosphere around you. People who are in your proximity, sense this atmosphere and are affected by it. This atmosphere also determines their attitude toward you.

    However, here the atmosphere is suppose to affect all “people around you”, no provision for creating a distinct atmosphere for “some people” and a separate for “the very people that …”. Thus most of the advise in that source seems hard to apply. Suppose that Mahmud Abbas tries the following:

    1. A positive attitude is important. There are many articles about this subject here, and in the books Visualize and Achieve and Affirmations – Words with Power
    2. Focus your mind more attentively on what you are doing. This will train your mind to transmit more powerful vibrations.
    3. Practice concentration exercises. This strengthens your ability to choose your thoughts, and puts more energy into them.
    4. Practice meditation. This will help you transmit more peaceful vibrations.
    5. The more inner peace you can develop, the more peaceful vibrations you can transmit. Inner peace is the product of inner training, detachment and meditation. With some inner work, everyone can gain at least some measure of inner peace.
    6. Visualize only what you really want to happen, and nothing that can hurt you or other people.
    7. Arouse happiness within you, and soak yourself within it. Feel how this happiness is filling the space around you, the room, the house, the office, the bus or train where you are.
    8. Visualize bright light, full of life, happiness and positive vibrations, filling your body and the place where you are.

  28. tommy on January 1, 2015, 2:04 pm

    The only hope to end Israeli state sponsored terrorism and territorial acquisition is for the Palestinians to defy US and Israel’s treacherous leadership, which is imposed by military might against a captive and impoverished Palestinian population, and take their grievances to ICC.

  29. ramzijaber on January 1, 2015, 3:52 pm

    “will badly damage atmosphere with the very people with whom they ultimately need to make peace”

    Rathke is being silly, a liar, a coward, and a zionist slave just like the usa government and oabama/kerry. how about zionist crimes damaging the atmosphere with whom they would ultimately need to make peace??? How about the million “escalatory steps damaging the atmosphere” that the zionists take every day in occupied Palestine – continued colonization, murder, theft of land, hampering the movement of people, wrongful imprisonment, no due process, military occupation, economic blackmail, human rights violations, torture, civil rights denials, etc. etc. etc.

    what has the usa done to help us in our cause. NOTHING. Totally siding with the zionists. SHAME ON YOU. Instead, you cowardly speak against the oppressed, occupied, colonized, and aggrieved party by saying that Palestinians seeking justice at the ICC is negative and bad. How dare the Palestinians seek justice and peace?!! Pathetic.

    just read the arrogance, racism, hatred, supremacism, and lies in what he and other people are saying. unbelievable.

    shoemer and other usa senators and politicians are more zionist than the zionists, better be representing zionists in the kinesset. poor american people having such bad people represent them. shomer and other us-zio-politicians threatening to defund Palestinian organizations for DARING to seek justice and peace.

    bolton spews lies and silliness by saying we are not a state while 98% of the world’s population and all states in the world (except 7 zion-controlled countries) say and acknowledge that we are a state.

    bottom line is that zionists are already fearful!! i’m sure us government officials are concerned too as they may be dragged into the ICC/ICJ for assisting, abiding, supporting, and supplying the zionists criminals. lol. we’re just getting started down this new path of justice.

    to those who invoke oslo and say Palestinians are breaking it, you better go check and see how the zionist regime is breaking everything in oslo.

    to those talking about unilateral moves, you better see what the zionist regime does each and every day in occupied Palestine. all illegal and criminal acts.

    to those saying the zionists will sue the Palestinians, this is like the nazis suing the jews for driving the nazis to commit crimes against humanity. lol.

    ICC/ICJ is coming at you zionists!

  30. ramzijaber on January 1, 2015, 9:36 pm

    Bornajoo and Annie, it’s January 1 and I am still waiting for Jordan to re-submit the resolution so we get 10-11 votes and force a us veto. Maybe I’m dreaming but this is a must in my opinion. This way, abbas and the pa can dispel any thought that they were just playing games to avoid a us veto.

    My wishes for 2015:
    1) File for ICC/ICJ and other UN organizations right away. CHECK.
    2) With Jordan, resubmit the same UNSC resolution right away.
    3) After the usa veto, publicly tell usa we no longer deal with them on this matter since they are partial to zionists.
    4) Ask France and Luxembourg to formally recognize Palestine.
    5) Shut down pa and give the keys to the colonial occupier.

    • Bornajoo on January 2, 2015, 4:08 am

      Ramzi, I’m trying to think of one disadvantage of not resubmitting the resolution. I can’t find one. There are only advantages. Therefore if it is not resubmitted in order to force the veto then it proves that there is collusion and a pre agreement to save the USA from embarrassment

      Yes there is a possibility that the PA and Obama have agreed another secret strategy but I’m not buying it

      Why would you not immediately resubmit? It further exposes the absolute reality that justice is denied by the American empire and their little rogue state and dispels the myth that it was all down to a so called democratic vote

      If we are to argue that the primary objective is to educate the ignorant, the uninformed, the misinformed, the undecided masses rather than the minorities with their preexisting entrenched views, then resubmitting to force the veto is hugely symbolic and important. In my opinion it’s a massive symbolic issue

      It’s the difference between pretending that real justice and democracy still exists and the actual reality of the situation

    • Walid on January 2, 2015, 12:47 pm

      Ramzi, your best bet is to have number 5 happen, all the others are pie in the sky, especially with the ICC being a big charade. Speaking of funny courts, Ban Ki Moon just extended the Tribunal for Lebanon for another 3-year term. The 8-year old kangaroo court has been running on empty for 9 years with 600 employees at the Hague that so far have cost $500 million, half of which is paid by UN members and the other half by Lebanon. Don’t be too hopeful for anything to come out of the ICC. What would the ICC do if and when Israel, that hasn’t signed on to the ICC, refuses to send in witnesses called to testify by the ICC? Lebanon also is not a signatory to the ICC but this was because the US asked it not to join for Israel’s sake.

      Already, the ICC is wheeling and dealing with various countries to provide immunities to certain people and most African countries are no longer part of the ICC. As to the story on why Lebanon is not in, this from the Daily Star back in 2009, which gives you an idea on the seriousness of this court:

      “… BEIRUT: The US government has demonstrated “intense opposition” to Lebanon joining the International Criminal Court (ICC) because the move could leave Israel liable to face war crimes accusations dating from the summer 2006 war, justice campaigners said on Wednesday.

      A week after the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir for his role in the Darfur conflict, a conference in Beirut heard that Washington was opposed to Lebanon signing an international treaty that would give the court powers to investigate war crimes committed in the country since 2002.

      Justice Minister Ibrahim Najjar told The Daily Star on Wednesday that there were no plans to sign the treaty in the near future. “Lebanon has not decided to join the ICC now,” he said. When asked whether this was a result of US pressure, he replied: “Not at all.”

      But delegates at a conference organized by Lebanese pressure group Justice without Frontiers said that the US was opposed to Lebanon signing the treaty because it believes that Israel could be accused of war crimes committed in the country. At least 1,200 Lebanese were killed during the 34-day conflict, which saw intense aerial bombardment of civilian areas.

      William Pace, Convener of the Coalition for the International Criminal Court, said that there were several reasons that Lebanon had not signed up. “The reasons we hear from Lebanese officials why they do not accede to the ICC treaty or make use of the ICC as a non-state party are 1) some factions of the government are afraid they will be prosecuted, 2) intense opposition by the USA government to Lebanon acceding to the Rome Statute, 3) fear that the ICC is just another example of international laws controlled by the big powers,” he said.

      Afterward he explained to The Daily Star why he believed the US was opposed to Lebanon signing up to the tribunal. “The vulnerability of Israel because of alleged war crimes committed on Lebanese soil is reason enough for the US to oppose Lebanon signing the treaty,” he said.

      Full story:

      • Bornajoo on January 2, 2015, 2:28 pm

        thanks for injecting a dose of reality into this.
        I’m very, very concerned that this could end up as yet another super massive anti climax for a people who have already had to endure false promises, setbacks and duplicitousness for so long already
        Since the announcement I’ve been reading all about the ICC from as many sources as possible. From what I’ve read I can already see that this court is quite toothless, it doesn’t have its own police force and it is 100% reliant on the security council to enforce any of its rulings, including getting people over there in the first place! And we already know just how much influence and lobbying power the USA has at the security council

        The PA, in my opinion, needs to play to its strengths and they need to do it now while momentum is strong and worldwide public opinion is favorable. They need to submit a less watered down version of the statehood resolution which we all know will now get the necessary votes which will force the Big Daddy Don Mafioso Empire to use its veto. And then do it again, and again.

        This will do more to educate the uninformed, misinformed, uneducated, ignorant, undecided masses of the reality of what is actually going on than pinning any hopes for justice on the ICC. This will strengthen the bds movement and further isolate the USA and may eventually make their position of unfaltering support for their little rogue state untenable. People need to understand that the USA and the security council has absolutely nothing to do with democracy when the USA has to use its veto

        I see much more mileage in this route than waiting years trying to get any justice from the ICC which at the end of the day is part and parcel of the very same Empire which is and has been screwing them for decades

        If they do not resubmit in the very near future then it’s pretty clear to me that this has all been a staged farce from the very beginning

      • Walid on January 2, 2015, 2:48 pm

        Bornajew, they will not resubmit; Jordan, Egypt and all the rest are in on this game. One has to feel for the Palestinians that are being let down time after time, after time, and will continue being so for years to come.

      • Bornajoo on January 2, 2015, 3:02 pm

        Walid, if that’s the case then the PA are a sham and a total disgrace. There is absolutely no justification for not pushing for that political advantage now. The only reason they would not submit is because they are indeed part of the whole miserable conspiracy and are just using every possible method of prolonging the status quo which is exactly what the evil Empire and their zionist outpost want.

        So let’s wait and see

  31. Kay24 on January 1, 2015, 11:08 pm

    It is a shame that the US support for Israel has made it lose credibility, and earned no trust from other nations. For a nation that brags about wanting democracy and rights for all in the world, it fails miserably when it come to the Palestinian issue. The US has a record of being hypocrites when it is quite selective in where democracy and human rights should be in this world.

    The US has always come across as the over indulgent wealthy parent, ignoring all the crimes and tantrums thrown by it’s juvenile criminal brat, when it comes to protecting Israel.

    Israel has made the US hated by, and isolated from, the rest of the world. The recent unnecessary wars by the Bush/Cheney administration has worsened the situation.
    No American should really wonder why we are hated so much. We are responsible for our stupid actions, and our sick relationship with Israel, that only makes us look compliant in it’s criminal activities against occupied people. Sheesh.

  32. ritzl on January 2, 2015, 12:09 pm

    If Palestine is going to resubmit anything in 2015, it should be something additive, clarifying, and more within the purview of the UN itself to implement. Something like:

    Palestine is recogognized as a state, with all the rights and responsibilities inherent thereto.

    To me that removes Israel’s blanket blocking excuse, embraces/enhances all manner of process options, and doesn’t artificially, unintentionally, and/or externally elevate any one option (leaving it solely up to Palestinians to choose, prioritize, and politick).

    To throw in, or focus on, negotiations and a specific outcome, and to get the (non-Anglo) world to sign on to that completely discredited specificity in an effort to achieve the already achieved embarrassment (or something, I can never quite tell what) of the Anglo world seems retardant, wasteful, if not out outright harmful to Palestinian progress in whatever form it may take going forward.

    Palestine only gets a very, very few more bites at the UNSC apple. I hope they use them wisely and meaningfully.

    Someone’s probably already pointed this out, but the Rome Statue accession papers cover criminality from June 1, 2014, forward.

    • Rusty Pipes on January 2, 2015, 1:20 pm

      Perhaps they could push for a review of Israel’s membership status in the UN, given that it has been noncompliant with terms of its admittance as a State — the return of Palestinian refugees — for over 60 years.

      • ritzl on January 2, 2015, 3:25 pm

        Hi Rusty, howzit?

        I was just my pea brain around something that the UN could actually do, and for the world consensus to get behind, on record (as expressed by 10-11/16 of the UNSC this year), as an organic development. I think it’s harder to kick bad states out than getting long-suffering/disadvantaged one’s in. Kosovo and S. Sudan come to mind.

        The US would still veto, but we would be vetoing something entirely new, imho. Progress of sorts.

        Hope all is well…

  33. ramzijaber on January 4, 2015, 3:22 pm

    Looks like my 2015 wish number 2 may happen soon….

    Abbas seeks to re-submit statehood bid to UN Security Council,7340,L-4611283,00.html

    walid, you may be right, wish five should occur right away. even eraket is finally acknowledging that his and pa’s mere existence depends on the whims of their masters nutnyahoo and the zionist criminals.

    Erekat hints at dissolution of Palestinian Authority after Israel withholds tax funds

    My wishes for 2015:
    1) File for ICC/ICJ and other UN organizations right away. CHECK.
    2) With Jordan, resubmit the same UNSC resolution right away.
    3) After the usa veto, publicly tell usa we no longer deal with them on this matter since they are partial to zionists.
    4) Ask France and Luxembourg to formally recognize Palestine.
    5) Shut down pa and give the keys to the colonial occupier.

    • Bornajoo on January 4, 2015, 3:38 pm

      Ramzi, I hope all 5 on the wish list become reality.
      The PA must resubmit the resolution asap. The new members will force the veto and bring the criminal hypocrisy out in the open. It’s these moments that momentum is gained and progress is faster. There is no disadvantage in doing so, only advantages.

      If they do not resubmit something is seriously wrong… And rotten

    • Walid on January 4, 2015, 3:56 pm

      Ramzy, Erekat like his boss has made a career of resigning or threatening to resign or of dissolving the PA. I think these guys went off the track when they folded under Zionist pressure to fire Diana Buttu and Michael Tarazi, the best PR reps Palestinians ever had.

      • ramzijaber on January 4, 2015, 6:21 pm

        Walid, you’re 100% right. Diana and Michael were pushed aside by the zios and the traitors pa agreed. in fact, i believe they wanted it to happen more than the zios because these two were themselves more of a threat to the pa itself and some of its entrenched figures. they both remind me of how hanan ashrawi was in her younger days, before she was brought “in line”.

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