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I am a British Jew. I am not planning on, or even vaguely considering, leaving Britain. I believe Jews in Britain have never had it so good. I believe Britain has been a success story for the Jews – and still is. I believe that Israel needs in Britain a strong, self-confident and independently minded Jewish community.

In line with the current trend for expressing solidarity through French Twitter hashtags, I say to my readers: #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique.

So, why do I feel the need to make this public declaration?

Well, according to polling data published this week by the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), race hatred against Jews in Britain is rife.

If you’re a British Jew it’s time to be afraid. Or is it?

Here’s the case for pessimism.

In a representative poll of 3,411 British adults, almost half (45%) believed that at least one of the following statements were true.

• Jews think they are better than other people.• In business, Jews are not as honest as most people.
• I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew.
• Jews have too much power in the media.
• Jews chase money more than other British people.
• Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.
• Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.
1 in 4 people (26%) believed at least two of the statements to be true and 17% believe at least three statements. According to the findings, men are more likely to hold anti-Semitic views than women.In tandem with the poll of the British general public, CAA also carried out a survey of British Jews. The findings are even more depressing, if you take them at face value.The results suggest that a quarter of British Jews have considered leaving the country since 2012 and 45% are worried that Jews may not have a future in Britain. Furthermore, the survey of 2,230 British Jews (equivalent to 1% of the Jewish population) found that 56% felt that anti-Semitism in Britain has some echoes of the 1930s, and that belief rose to 64% of Jewish people in the north of England.So it looks like a serious situation for Britain and its Jewish citizens.

The sample of the general public was statistically reliable and the fieldwork was carried out by YouGov, a highly respected polling agency in Britain.

However, the survey of the British Jewish community was self-selecting and done ‘in-house’ by the CAA using social media sites and promotion via the main synagogue denominations. The survey was ‘live’ between 23 December 2014 and 11 January 2015 which means it covered the time during which the terrorist murders at the offices of Charlie Hebdo and the Kosher supermarket took place in Paris. It’s not unreasonable to suppose that this would have influenced the responses and the sense of fear and foreboding by Jews on this side of the Channel tunnel.

So what’s going on? And is life in Britain for Jews really as perilous as the CAA wants people to believe?

If you look at the detail of the findings it starts to look a lot less scary than the spun headline that presents half the country as rabid anti-Semitics.

For example, the survey reports that only 10% agreed with the statement: “I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew”. Which, I assume, means that 90% of the population wouldn’t have much of a problem with a Jewish brother-law. So how deeply felt can this anti-Semitism really be? As for the first statement on the list: “Jews think they are better than other people”–  well I’m pretty sure that Yorkshiremen think they are better than Lancastrians and the Scots would certainly say they were superior to the English. But Britain no longer gets torn apart by such thinking.

From personal experience, having reached the age of 49 and lived about half that time in London and half in the north of England, the findings don’t ring true.

Perhaps I’ve just been fortunate, but for me Britain has lived up to its reputation for tolerance and a ‘live and let live’ approach to neighbourliness.

Overwhelmingly, I have found my non Jewish friends and work colleagues either indifferent to or respectful and interested in my Judaism and Jewish identity. Over the years my children’s schools and youth groups have welcomed my annual explanations of Passover and Hanukkah as have the Church groups I’ve spoken to. Any anti-Semitism I have encountered has been mild and clearly founded on ignorance rather than some kind of hatred innately hard-wired into the European DNA.

And I’d go further.

I believe that Jews in Britain have been living through a Golden Age of acceptance and accomplishment, more impressive than even the medieval Spain of Maimonides or the Vienna of Sigmund Freud.

The British Jews surveyed appear to have a very poor sense of historical perspective about the country in which we live.

Go back a few centuries and it was a different story. But when have Jews in Britain been more secure and successful than over the last 70 years?

It’s true though that something is happening. Things are changing.

Physical attacks on Jews on the streets of London and elsewhere in Britain are on the increase. Synagogues are being daubed with graffiti. Jewish cemeteries are being vandalised. We have not suffered the terrorist murders of Jews in France in recent years but it’s still serious.

But if we fail to understand the context for the change or pretend we are just seeing a continuation of traditional hatred of the Jew as alien outsider, then we are being foolish in the extreme.

This week’s Jewish Chronicle is packed full of reaction to the terror attack at the Paris Kosher supermarket in which Philippe Braham, Yoann Cohen, Yoav Hattab and Francois-Michel Saada were murdered.

However, the paper chooses in its main editorial to deny the obvious facts. The headline for this week’s leader comment is: “It wasn’t about Israel. It was about Jews, as Jews”. The JC insists that these four men were killed: “simply for doing their Kosher shopping”. The editorial concludes with this: “Until we grasp the true nature of the threat we face, we have no chance of repelling it.”

But failing to grasp the true nature of the threat is exactly what the JC, and most establishment voices in the British Jewish community are currently doing. Pointing the figure only at fanatical Muslims is too easy and deliberately attempts to obscure that responsibility may rest elsewhere too.

Don’t get me wrong. Islamist terrorism is real. It is an ugly strain of Islam with growing support among young Muslims in the West. In the short term it needs vigilance and good intelligence to defeat its most dangerous manifestations. In the longer term there are issues of disaffection with mainstream Islamic teaching and with liberal democratic values that have to be tackled. Easier said than done, I know. But putting more police outside Jewish schools and synagogues will only get us so far.

What’s clearly nonsense is to claim that Israel’s behavior plays no part in the political and cultural dynamic that is provoking growing racism against Jews. When things kick off in Israel and the Occupied Territories anti-Semitic attacks spike in Western Europe. When peace is being talked about, with real plausibility, anti-Semitism in Europe dies down.

And before I go any further let me be clear that I am not falling into the mindset of blaming the victims or apologising for the killers. Nothing done by the State of Israel justifies the murder of Jews in Paris or London or anywhere. But attempting to describe what’s going on as just another manifestation of ‘the age old hatred against the Jews’ just doesn’t help. Even the Campaign Against Antisemitism’s report acknowledges the connection: “Antisemitism is usually most visible in Great Britain during crises involving Israel but the sentiment behind it does not simply disappear when the crises end.” That’s true but the reason the sentiment does not end is because the root cause of the sentiment remains unresolved. And increasingly the general public understand who has power and who does not in this particular conflict.

Thirty years ago most people still saw Israel as an admirable project of healing and renewal for a people broken by the Holocaust. Now that view is questioned and challenged. A state that was once seen as the underdog of the Middle East is now the regional superpower and the local bully. The big losers are recognised as the Palestinians who have become the new archetype for a dispossessed and downtrodden people. And as for the Jewish Israelis, David has become Goliath.

Watching the nightly news from Gaza last summer it wasn’t difficult for viewers in Britain to reach the conclusion that the on-going dispute between Israel and the Palestinians must be the most asymmetrical conflict of all time. And if Western leaders choose to adopt double standards on human rights and territorial occupations, is it any wonder that respect for liberal democracies becomes undermined.

Despite all that is changing for British Jews I still believe that we live in an exceptionally tolerant and understanding country. Even when our Jewish establishment leadership choose to defend the indefensible (as they did last summer over Gaza) and Israeli Prime Ministers present themselves as spokesmen for Jews worldwide, the British people can recognise the difference between Israeli actions and British Jews. In fact I was amazed that 80% of the CAA survey of the general public rejected the statement: “Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people”.

I don’t accept that Jewish life in Britain is becoming untenable – it’s nowhere near it. And I don’t seem to be the only Jew in Britain that thinks this. This week the Jewish Chronicle also conducted its own poll of Jewish views post Paris, this time using a more scientifically selected sample than the CAA’s. In the JC poll nine out of ten – 88% – said that they have not considered quitting Britain since last week’s atrocities. If I’m worried about anything it’s that some people are choosing to overstate anti-Semitism in Britain as a way to deflect criticism of Israel.

So to return to my opening statement of identity, I am a British Jew and I believe the Jews of Britain have learnt a great deal about what it takes to create a society that respects and protects all of its citizens. It may not be perfect but we know what multi-culturalism and religious pluralism should look like within the big tent of a liberal democracy.

Israel, in marked contrast, is struggling to work out how to be both Jewish and Democratic. In fact it’s not sure if it even wants to be both things anymore. The very principles that have allowed diaspora Jewry to thrive in Western democracies are being rejected by the State that was created to normalise and make life safe as a Jew.

So #JeSuisTolerance #JeSuisRespect #JeSuisPluralism and #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique.

This post first appeared on Robert Cohen’s blog, Micah’s Paradigm Shift.

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  1. Whizdom
    Whizdom
    January 18, 2015, 1:29 pm

    This echoes the debate between two prominent British Lords, back in early 20th century. Both were Jewish and they had opposing views on Zionism and Anti-Semitism.

    Lord Montagu, at the time the only Jewish Minister in Government, called out the British Cabinet for Anti-Semitism, because they were supportive of Zionism. Not the opposite.

    really worth a read.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Montagumemo.html

    “Zionism has always seemed to me to be a mischievous political creed, untenable by any patriotic citizen of the United Kingdom. If a Jewish Englishman sets his eyes on the Mount of Olives and longs for the day when he will shake British soil from his shoes and go back to agricultural pursuits in Palestine, he has always seemed to me to have acknowledged aims inconsistent with British citizenship and to have admitted that he is unfit for a share in public life in Great Britain, or to be treated as an Englishman.”

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 18, 2015, 4:17 pm

      “Lord Montagu, at the time the only Jewish Minister in Government, called out the British Cabinet for Anti-Semitism, because they were supportive of Zionism. Not the opposite”

      That moser! Where could he have gotten an extraordinary idea like that? Did he go in for self-hating at Oxford?

      • Whizdom
        Whizdom
        January 18, 2015, 4:28 pm

        I think they call it self loathing over there. Of course he wasn’t educated in Oxford. He read in Cambridge, you see. Explains a lot. And he was, gasp, a member of the Liberal party.

        Read this, pretty clear indictment.

        I can easily understand the editors of the Morning Post and of the New Witness being Zionists, and I am not in the least surprised that the non-Jews of England may welcome this policy. I have always recognised the unpopularity, much greater than some people think, of my community. We have obtained a far greater share of this country’s goods and opportunities than we are numerically entitled to. We reach on the whole maturity earlier, and therefore with people of our own age we compete unfairly. Many of us have been exclusive in our friendships and intolerant in our attitude, and I can easily understand that many a non-Jew in England wants to get rid of us. But just as there is no community of thought and mode of life among Christian Englishmen, so there is not among Jewish Englishmen. More and more we are educated in public schools and at the Universities, and take our part in the politics, in the Army, in the Civil Service, of our country. And I am glad to think that the prejudices against inter-marriage are breaking down. But when the Jew has a national home, surely it follows that the impetus to deprive us of the rights of British citizenship must be enormously increased. Palestine will become the world’s Ghetto. Why should the Russian give the Jew equal rights? His national home is Palestine. Why does Lord Rothschild attach so much importance to the difference between British and foreign Jews? All Jews will be foreign Jews, inhabitants of the great country of Palestine.

        And this horror!
        I would say to Lord Rothschild that the Government will be prepared to do everything in their power to obtain for Jews in Palestine complete liberty of settlement and life on an equality with the inhabitants of that country who profess other religious beliefs. I would ask that the Government should go no further.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        January 18, 2015, 5:47 pm

        Montagu must have been well aware that anti-Semitism, in the sense of prejudice against Jewish people, is perfectly compatible in its logic with Zionism. If you think that Jews are a kind of foreigner, not altogether to be trusted by the majority of ‘us’, you may well think that the best thing is the formation of a polity where Jewish people are the only citizens or form the dominant part of the citizen body.
        If by contrast you think that British Jewish people are as British as you are, spirit of the same spirit, you will not sympathise with the claim that they have, each and all, rights in another part of the world that British people in general do not have and a vital or ‘existential’ interest in protecting those rights. The thing about being one citizen body is that existential interests are the same.
        Before getting too worried about the actual state of British opinion, we should note that the Labour Party still has a reasonable chance of a plurality in the forthcoming election and its leader, who is Jewish by origin though an atheist by belief, a reasonable chance of being Prime Minister entrusted with the defence of our existential interests.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 18, 2015, 7:45 pm

        Cambridge. Hmmmn.

        Another such debate, rather later, was between the Governor General of Australia (1931 – 36) Sir Isaac Isaacs and Professor Julius Stone.

        Sir Isaac’s main points were

        “Summarising my objections…the demands of Political Zionism are:-
        7. A negation of Democracy, and an attempt to revert to the Church-State of bygone ages.
        8. Provocative anti-Semitism.
        9. Unwarranted by the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate, or any other right; contrary to Zionist assurances to Britain and to the Arabs’ and in present conditions unjust to other Palestinians politically and to other religions.
        10. As regards unrestricted immigration, a discriminatory and an undemocratic camouflage for a Jewish State.
        11. An obstruction to the consent of the Arabs to the peaceful and prosperous settlement in Palestine of hundreds of thousands of suffering European Jews, the victims of Nazi atrocities; and provocative of Moslem antagonism within and beyond the Empire, and consequently a danger to its integrity and safety.
        12. Inconsistent in demanding on one hand, on a basis of a separate Jewish nationality everywhere Jews are found, Jewish domination in Palestine, and at the same time claiming complete Jewish equality elsewhere than in Palestine, on the basis of a nationality common to the citizens of every faith.”

        http://isaacisaacs.blogspot.com.au

        It is rather depressing to see that both Lord Montagu and Sir Isaac present the same sort of objections as those which we post on MW.

        Though their versions are more elegantly expressed, and in better English.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        January 19, 2015, 5:57 am

        There is now a dispute breaking out because Government ministers have written to the Muslim Council of GB asking about Muslims and British identity, as if (say the recipients) there were some question about it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 1:06 pm

        “11. An obstruction to the consent of the Arabs to the peaceful and prosperous settlement in Palestine of hundreds of thousands of suffering European Jews, the victims of Nazi atrocities;”

        Yes, there were a couple of hundred thousand ‘displaced persons’, Jewish survivors at the end of WW2 many of whom may have wanted an option to settle in Palestine.

        A couple of hundred thousand, maybe. Seems like that could have been accomplished.

      • Krauss
        Krauss
        January 19, 2015, 7:52 pm

        Mhughes, Zionism arose because Jews are a seperate people. That doesn’t mean that Jews are untrustworthy per se. You can be a Zionist and be either pro- or anti-Jewish(and anyway, who decides the boundaries? It’s very vague to the point of useless). It’s not inherent in Zionism either way.

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        January 23, 2015, 7:58 am

        Mooser January 18, 2015, 4:17 pm

        That moser! Where could he have gotten an extraordinary idea like that? Did he go in for self-hating at Oxford?

        Lord Montagu was not a “moser”, but more like he was scared about what the goyyim would think. Though he was born to wealth and privilege and was made a peer, he knew that just a couple of generations before him British Jews weren’t allowed most political rights and couldn’t serve in Parliament like he did unless they abandoned their faith and their community. He knew that those rights were won only after a hard fight, and was terrified that what could be given could be taken away.

        People like you, Mooser, are even bigger scaredy-cats (I was going to use a word beginning with the letter “p” but I didn’t want to be called a misogynist) than Lord Montagu was. In a modern, liberal and tolerant society , there is no reason for Jewish citizens of the USA (or Canada, Australia, Brazil or New Zealand) to fear that the existence of a sovereign Jewish state should call into question their bona fides as loyal citizens of the countries in which they reside. Greek-Americans and Irish-Americans do not suffer from this insecurity, why do Jews? Not only is the charge of dual loyalty (and “Mooser’s” fear of being accused of it) ludicrous, there is nothing inherently wrong with dual loyalty to two countries that are not at war. Israeli-Americans like me (born and raised in the USA to Israeli citizen parents, I acquired both citizenships at birth) can fulfill their civic duties and comply with the laws of both countries without any qualms or conflict. Just as dual US-Canadians, dual US-Irish, dual US-Australians have to comply with US law and FATCA by filing US tax returns even for income earned in those countries while living in those countries, so do Israeli-Americans living in Israel. When living in the US, as an American, I also had to put up with jury duty and file and pay taxes. And as an Israeli, I was obligated to do my army duty/reserves when I was of age to do so. (Something the US never demanded of me.) So we have nothing to apologize for. Montagu’s fears were a relic of his time.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      January 19, 2015, 8:38 am

      @Whizdom

      Well of course. Judaism as it existed was a religion with a bit of a nationalist tinge. Zionism is a nationalist movement with an associated religion. The merger of Zionism and Judaism in the diaspora has meant that Jewish attachments to England are at best conditional. Jews are essentially identifying themselves as expats, and expats’ loyalties are seen as more conditional because they are. They are often strongly intellectually tied to their state because they made a conscious choice, but more weakly intuitively tied because their person formed in another state. For diaspora Jews it is often the reverse, which is why most people don’t take diaspora Zionism seriously, rightfully seeing it as more of a religious claim than an accurate description of the person’s mental state.

      However I have to say for a country where a huge percentage of Scotland just voted to formally sever ties, and there was a generation back a civil war with the Catholic population worrying about the loyalty of Jewish citizens does strike me as paying disproportionate attention to Jews. I don’t know whether one can really be fully English without being an Anglican. But whether the answer is yes or no, Jewish Englishmen seem much more English than many of the other factions in England.

      So ultimately… if England wants a pure nation. Kick the Irish Catholics in Northern Ireland out, kick the Scottish out and kick the Muslims and Jews out. But England right now doesn’t want a pure nation. So it isn’t going to happen for at least a long while.

  2. RobertB
    RobertB
    January 18, 2015, 1:30 pm

    It Looks Like An Execution
    Charlie Hebdo: Report from Europe

    By Paul Craig Roberts

    One video compares the car in which the killers escaped with the car in which the ID of
    one of the accused brothers was allegedly found and makes the point that the two cars differ. The car in which the ID was found apparently is not the escape car.

    Another video, which seems to be part of a news report, shows a large force of police waiting as the metal screen over the deli storefront rises. This is the deli in which Amedy Coulibaly is reported to be holding hostages.

    As the metal screen rises, police fire into the deli. There seems to be no return fire, and
    it is unclear who the police are shooting at. Perhaps it was the heavy firing by the police that killed the hostages.”

    “Police enter and turn to the right. Then Coulibaly appears from the same direction as the police entered. He is in a running stumble as if he has been pushed into the line of fire. There is no weapon in his hands, which appear to be tied together. He falls or is shot down at the door in front of the police, who then fire more bullets into the downed man.

    It looks like an execution. It most certainly is not a gun fight. Coulibaly was down and could easily have been captured and questioned. Instead, we have reports of pre-recorded confessions to take the place of capture and questioning. “

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40731.htm

    • K Renner
      K Renner
      January 18, 2015, 6:07 pm

      I don’t think a notorious conspiracy theorist should be touted as some kind of valuable source of commentary or of anything worthwhile, really.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 18, 2015, 10:45 pm

        “I don’t think a notorious conspiracy theorist should be touted as some kind of valuable source of commentary or of anything worthwhile, really.”

        1. Why not?

        2. He gives us his interpretation of the events on the video. We can look at the video and use our own minds to make our own interpretation. Or is using our own minds what you are worried about?

      • RobertB
        RobertB
        January 18, 2015, 11:13 pm

        Paul Craig Roberts is NOT a “notorious conspiracy theorist”; he doesn’t rely on the MSM story regarding this matter. I would expect more videos…details … would be coming out regarding the Charlie Hebdo incident/killing.

        “Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments.”

      • Kris
        Kris
        January 18, 2015, 11:31 pm

        Attacking the person, instead of the ideas he’s putting forward, is a logical fallacy called “ad hominem.” https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/

        If something is true, it’s true no matter who says it. For example, if Netanyahu were to say, “It rained today in the Pacific northwest,” it would be foolish for you to assume he’s lying just because he is a notorious liar. If you cared to know the truth of his assertion, you would check a weather site. Or call me! ;-)

      • RobertB
        RobertB
        January 19, 2015, 8:05 am

        Oh really…!!! What a pale attempt at the “Ole attacking the messenger/diversion tactic”! You sound like you just came out from the “FAUX News/Hasbara” closed door agenda meeting!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 12:51 pm

        This confusion between Paul Craig Roberts and Rand and Ron Paul is really starting to pall.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 19, 2015, 12:59 pm

        @Mooser

        It actually leaves one feeling appalled.

        The guys hands do look to be loosely cuffed. I’m not totally convinced though as the types of cuffs we generally see these days would not leave his hands so far apart. Even if cuffed it may not be so much a conspiracy as an extra judicial killing which is a crime but not indicative of the scenario being a black flag op.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 3:18 pm

        “It actually leaves one feeling appalled.”

        At least there’s no confusion between Paul and Paula.

      • Whizdom
        Whizdom
        January 19, 2015, 3:41 pm

        One is an Admiral right? John Paul something? Bonhomme Richard and all that? Or was that the Pope ?

      • MRW
        MRW
        January 19, 2015, 6:24 pm

        Hooray RoHa and RobertB.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        January 20, 2015, 1:28 am

        The black spot for ad hominem attacker. Informationclearinghouse has moved media items that have been purposefully buried into the light of day. Eau deDistraction.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 2:39 pm

        Well, I’ll give the final word to a to a man who knows!

    • bilal a
      bilal a
      January 20, 2015, 1:50 am

      Verbotten speech

      Marcuse wrote:

      Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: … it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word.

      [quoted in More Right on Progressives/ Frankfurt school ]

      Prime Minister Manuel Vals lists four. “There is a fundamental difference between the freedom to be impertinent and anti-Semitism, racism, glorification of terrorist acts, and Holocaust denial, all of which are crimes, that justice should punish with the most severity.”

      Vals’ list brings to mind another quote of Voltaire’s, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

      [Pat Buchanan in Unz]

  3. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    January 18, 2015, 2:32 pm
    • K Renner
      K Renner
      January 18, 2015, 6:09 pm

      “#Jesuisunevictimeéternelle”

      That really hits the nail on the head more then anything else, to my mind. Sad fact is that the pro-Israel Jews are especially renowned for playing that up to the point that it gets ridiculous.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 11:42 am

        ” Sad fact is that the pro-Israel Jews are especially renowned for playing that up to the point that it gets ridiculous.”

        But, “K Renner”, if there were no “pro-Israel Jews” there would be no Israel. And as long as there is Israel, there will be lots of “pro-Israel Jews”. Aren’t they a necessary part of the equation?

  4. In2u
    In2u
    January 18, 2015, 2:46 pm

    Anti-Semitism in Britain?

    This mosque and synagogue in London would disagree. Have a look at the link, they have been neighbours for decades!

    http://www.jewisheastend.com/Jewish68.jpg

    P.S. No future false flag attack on either of them, please and thank you.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 18, 2015, 8:52 pm

      Some people just don’t get it, do they?

      The farmer and the cowman should never be friends. We need to keep the population in a state of uncertainty and turmoil. We need to keep them terrified of Jihadists/Giant Hogweed/Flesh Eating Bacteria/Global Warming/Global Cooling/Russians/Falling Sky/[insert latest fashionable panic here] so as to sell some newspapers and stop the people from noticing how the bankers are ripping them off.

      This sort of peaceful co-existence just isn’t helpful.

  5. Keith
    Keith
    January 18, 2015, 3:02 pm

    ROBERT COHEN- “I believe that Israel needs in Britain a strong, self-confident and independently minded Jewish community.”

    Ah, a liberal Zionist!

    Robert Cohen: “If you look at the detail of the findings it starts to look a lot less scary than the spun headline that presents half the country as rabid anti-Semitics.”

    Curiously, Robert seems relatively untroubled by the fact that Jews continue to label Gentiles as anti-Semites due to relatively mild opinions about Jews. I maintain that these ongoing baseless accusations are prima facie evidence of Jewish anti-Gentile chauvinism. Organized Jewry reeks of tribal myopia, they seem incapable of seeing beyond themselves. As Israel Shahak notes: “Therefore, the real test facing both Israeli and diaspora Jews is the test of their self-criticism which must include [a] detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews.” (p103, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” Israel Shahak)

    I see no evidence of any such introspection in this article nor in the actions of the Campaign Against Antisemitism. Interesting that Jews would take umbrage that 10% of Gentiles would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew, but probably defend the (I’m guessing) higher percentage of Jews who would be upset if a family member married a Gentile. Seriously.

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      January 18, 2015, 5:08 pm

      +1

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        January 19, 2015, 3:39 pm

        @Kieth
        + another 1!

    • Frankie P
      Frankie P
      January 18, 2015, 5:27 pm

      “I believe that Israel needs in Britain a strong, self-confident and independently minded Jewish community.”

      Yes, there it is, in the opening paragraph, right up there among Mr. Cohen’s major beliefs, all of which, by the way, focus on what is good for “the Jews” of Britain, none of which show an ounce of concern for Britain as a nation or the “other” members of the British population. So, if this British Jew outlines his three beliefs, the third of which shows great concern for the needs of Israel, which is NOT his country (or is it?, Mr. Cohen, do you hold dual citizenship?), how could he be surprised when some Brits respond positively to the statement “Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.”?

      Makes you wonder if there is logic at play here.

      FPM

      • annie
        annie
        January 18, 2015, 10:17 pm

        hmm, my reading of it was different. and then there’s this

        http://micahsparadigmshift.blogspot.co.uk/p/writing-from-edge-whos-micah.html

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        January 19, 2015, 7:16 am

        Cohen’s “loyalty to Israel” should not be taken at face value. It is probably just a rhetorical device to deflect Zionist ire (safer to preface criticism with “I love Israel but”).

        My impression from living the first 40 years of my life in Britain (which I agree is basically a very tolerant society, certainly from a comparative perspective) is that mainstream British Jews want to be loyal to both Britain and Israel at the same time. They are British patriots and Zionists simultaneously. This is a totally illogical stance, but there you are.

        On the historical evolution, my impression (e.g., from talking with my parents) is that Zionism initially took hold among British Jews with some difficulty. One major reason was that their loyalties were torn by the conflict between the British mandatory authorities in Palestine and the Zionist underground. Most were shocked by the blowing up of the King David Hotel and other acts of Zionist terrorism.

      • Krauss
        Krauss
        January 19, 2015, 7:49 pm

        Replying to Shenfield below(the reply button didn’t appear below his name for some reason).

        Stephen, I didn’t see much harm in Cohen’s article. But I don’t really get the overtly hostile rant from Keith. Sure, there’s hypocrisy on intermarriage, but what exactly are “mild opinions on Jews”? Doesn’t sound too tolerant.

        As for the survey itself; it’s useless when it comes to the Jewish sample. It’s a self-selected group who replied on the internet. The Jewish Chronicle had another poll up where almost 90% of all British Jews stated that they have never even thought about leaving the UK.

      • Susan A
        Susan A
        January 20, 2015, 2:07 pm

        @Annie: Agreed! When I saw the name Robert Cohen I thought of a piece I’d read a couple of years ago and wondered if it was the same Robert Cohen. Due to the criticism of Mr Cohen that has arisen here, and after looking at your link to Micah’s Paradigm Shift I became convinced that it was the same Robert Cohen and indeed it is:
        http://micahsparadigmshift.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/45-years-onthe-poverty-of-arguments.html
        The article is witty and highly amusing. Robert Cohen is my kind of person. We have to laugh sometimes!

      • annie
        annie
        January 21, 2015, 10:58 am

        thank you susan! what a great list ;)

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      January 18, 2015, 7:24 pm

      @ Keith,

      Q:… but probably defend the (I’m guessing) higher percentage of Jews who would be upset if a family member married a Gentile.

      R: If you’d ask how many Rabbis would welcome a born and bred, Haitian Voodoo priest [as sun-in-law] into the fold, I guess the outcome would be close to 100%…

      That has nothing to do with racism, that’s only to keep the blood/line ‘pure’…

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        January 20, 2015, 1:34 am

        Who in their right mind would object to their child marrying a Jewish person? It eliminates the need to compete with the in-laws to have your kids home for Christmas. Sweeet!

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      January 19, 2015, 8:47 am

      @Keith

      Yes the problem with Jews is they aren’t sufficiently self critical and are completely unable to look at the world from other points of views. You nailed that one alright.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 11:52 am

        “You nailed that one alright.”

        Why, all Keith has to do, “JeffyB” is look at any one of your comments, and he’ll have that silly notion about insufficient Jewish self-criticism busted to smithereens!

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 19, 2015, 12:40 pm

        >> JeffBeee: Yes the problem with Jews is they aren’t sufficiently self critical and are completely unable to look at the world from other points of views.

        The problem with Zio-supremacists is their aversion to justice, accountability and equality.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 11:50 am

      “Curiously, Robert seems relatively untroubled by the fact that Jews continue to label Gentiles as anti-Semites due to relatively mild opinions about Jews.”

      Well, there we go. And who shall we compare ourselves, and the amount of social friction we endure to? A mythical person who experiences a socially perfect life, no unfavorable opinions, no friction, or other people, or other identifiable groups, with which we can compare?

      Do I have more social problems than say, I don’t know, a rich English person with a pedigree which goes back to filling up the breach with Harry, or, say, an East Indian immigrant? Which one should I have more or less trouble than?

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 19, 2015, 3:57 pm

        MOOSER- “And who shall we compare ourselves, and the amount of social friction we endure to?”

        This ongoing labeling of Gentiles as Jew haters (anti-Semites) over relatively trivial matters is the issue. And the failure of organized Jewry to reflect upon Jewish anti-Gentile attitudes and how these compare to Gentile anti-Jewish attitudes, and the effect this Jewish anti-Gentile hostility has upon anti-Semitic attitudes is what Israel Shahak is talking about. Not that you and Hophmi care about such things. In view of the relative Jewish power and privilege, the notion that Jews disproportionately suffer negative discrimination is ludicrous. This ongoing measurement is Judeocentric and unwholesome. Perceived anti-Semitism is the mothers milk of Zionism, therefore, I completely understand Hophmi’s motivation in engaging in anti-Gentile incitement. As for you, many of you Jewish anti-Zionists can best be described as tribal anti-Zionists. Your anti-Zionism has replaced Zionism as a tribal bond. And your knee-jerk umbrage to any criticism of Jews and/or Jewishness rather makes the point.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:18 pm

        “Your anti-Zionism has replaced Zionism as a tribal bond. And your knee-jerk umbrage to any criticism of Jews and/or Jewishness rather makes the point.”

        Wow, really? Jeez, I am one pathetic guy. Can’t make it as a Zionist Jew (a fact I freely admit) but still scrabbling for Jew’s “and/or” Jewish acceptance as an anti-Zionist! Pathetic, yes, indubitably, and (and not “and/or”, either, buster!) to top it off, futile! A self-negating stance! And pretty damn typical, too. I’m sure I needn’t say of what.

        What am I coming to? Two days ago it was “Muslims and people like you” from German Lefty, and today it’s “Not that you and Hophmi care about…” from Keith!

        Keith, I plead “predilections”. I can’t fight my custard, Keith.

    • American
      American
      January 20, 2015, 11:29 am

      ” I maintain that these ongoing baseless accusations are prima facie evidence of Jewish anti-Gentile chauvinism. – ”…Keith

      Netanyahu: Israel must open Asian markets due to anti-Semitism in …
      Opinion-Jerusalem Post Israel News-Jan 18, 2015

      I maintain that they have shot their hypocritical wad with their anti Gentilism-anti All Others-ism…their game is petering out.
      So they do need to move on to the Asians—who will also become anti semites the first time they deny any Israeli demand.
      Soon they will have to search for life on other planets to do business with.

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      January 21, 2015, 6:35 am

      Greetings Keith,
      Kudos.
      None of us could nail Judaic apologists better than lovable, laudable, entertainable brillant Finkelstein: Oy, they’ve created a profitable industry out of victimhood forever.
      ziusudra

    • Theo
      Theo
      January 22, 2015, 8:09 am

      Keith

      “higher percentage of jews would be upset if family members married a Gentile”.

      During my young days in Boston I witnessed the following two sad examples:

      1. A good friend, christian and brilliant pianist, fell in love with a jewish girl from an orthodox family. After her father found out that he is not jewish, he forbade her to see him again!!
      2. Two good friends, she irish, he jewish, lived together for decades, because both of their conservative families forbade such a marriage and they did not want to offend them.
      You also find this mentality with other religions or nationalities, italian girls must marry italians, irish only irish, catholic only catholic, chinese only chinese, etc., etc. In the USA, the so called melting spot for nationalities, that procedure is not working yet, different nationalities or religions live side by side, but mix very little, at least in the first or second generations. Even in New York City, there is a german town, a hungarian town, Chinatown, etc.

      By the way, my wife and I we are of different nationalities and religions, my christian brother married a jewish lady, we classify people as good or bad for their characters and deeds, nothing else matters.

  6. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    January 18, 2015, 4:06 pm

    “the survey reports that only 10% agreed with the statement: I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew.”

    I’d love to know how British Jews would respond to the statement “I would be unhappy if a family member married a non-Jew.” Chances are that anti-Gentilism is much more widespread among Jews than anti-Semitism among non-Jews. However, surveys and mainstream media always only focus on the smaller problem.

    Does the survey give a definition of the word “Jew”? Are Jews defined as an ethnic group or as a religious group? If Jews are defined as a religious group, then I – as an atheist – would indeed be somewhat unhappy if a close family member married a Jew … or a Christian … or a Muslim … or some other religious person.

    • Laurent Weppe
      Laurent Weppe
      January 18, 2015, 6:28 pm

      I’d love to know how British Jews would respond to the statement “I would be unhappy if a family member married a non-Jew.”

      Many will simply answer “I am that family member” Take away the ghetto, and Jews prove to be as enthusiastically exogamous as any other group with similar opportunities, something which should have been bloody obvious to anyone with the bare minimum understanding of human nature.

      • tokyobk
        tokyobk
        January 18, 2015, 10:48 pm

        Indeed.

      • tree
        tree
        January 18, 2015, 11:57 pm

        Many will simply answer “I am that family member”

        But yet the question remains. Only 10% of non-Jews in Britain answered that they would be unhappy. Are the numbers for Jews who would be unhappy with a relative marrying a non-Jew similarly 10% or so? We certainly know that there are some Jews who believe wholeheartedly in endogamy and Phil himself has gotten flak here from Jews about his marriage to a Quaker. So is the Jewish sentiment the same among the 10% or whatever the number may be, or is being unhappy if your non-Jewish relative marries a Jew somehow worse than being unhappy if your Jewish relative marries a non-Jew? And if so, why?

        And why don’t any of these surveys ask the same question of Jews that they ask of non-Jews. It might be a bit more enlightening if they did.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 19, 2015, 7:40 am

        @ Laurent Weppe
        “Many will simply answer ‘I am that family member’.”
        -> I already know the linked article. However, just because the percentage of intermarriages increases doesn’t mean that non-intermarried Jews approve of intermarriage. So, these are two separate issues.
        The linked article says, “Intermarried Jews are far less inclined to support Israel.” I think that Jewish rejection of intermarriage is not actually about ensuring Jewish continuity but about ensuring Jewish settler-colonialism.

        “Take away the ghetto, and Jews prove to be as enthusiastically exogamous as any other group with similar opportunities.”
        -> LOL. When the ghettos were removed in 1945, the first thing that Jews did was to ghettoise themselves by founding the Jewish state. Ethnic nationalism is the ultimate form of self-segregation. Also, Israel has no civil marriage in order to prevent intermarriage.

        Here’s a documentary about Jewish life in Germany:

        A German-Jewish woman is interviewed (34:05). She says that she lives in her “little, self-chosen ghetto” and has almost no contact to non-Jews. Keep in mind that only 0.2% of people in Germany are Jewish. So, when a German Jew has almost no contact to non-Jews, then this is not just a happenstance but requires a high degree of active avoidance and self-segregation. Later in the documentary, another German-Jewish woman is interviewed (1:23:30). She says that Jewish mothers in her community play matchmakers and try to marry off their sons to Jewish women in order to ensure that their grandchildren are Jewish, too.

        Here’s the book “How to Prevent an Intermarriage” by Rabbi Kalman Packouz:
        http://www.preventintermarriage.com/

        Head of Anti-Assimilation Group Appeals to Zuckerberg:
        Benzi Gopstein, head of the Lehava Organization, sends a letter to Mark Zuckerberg over his marriage to a non-Jew.
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/156204#.VLzpenuzmwE

        Dear Emuna: Revisiting Zuckerberg’s Intermarriage
        “Aish HaTorah has been at the forefront of the fight against intermarriage and assimilation for almost 40 years. […] Mark Zuckerberg is not to blame for his decision to intermarry; we are. […] Intermarriage is a tragedy for the Jewish people. The current rate is appalling – and unbearable.”
        http://www.aish.com/ci/de/Dear_Emuna_Revisiting_Zuckerbergs_Intermarriage.html

        An Open Letter to Zach Braff:
        http://estherkustanowitz.typepad.com/myurbankvetch2005/2006/02/an_open_letter_.html

        The Case For Dating Shiksas: Why One Gay Jewish Woman Dates Outside of the Tribe
        “I worry my mother for one reason, and for one reason only: as a queer observant Jewish woman, I adamantly refuse to only date Jews. […] But the downside to social progressiveness is that I, too, am now expected to marry a nice Jewish girl.”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/je-reich/the-case-for-dating-shiks_b_4505062.html

        “which should have been bloody obvious to anyone with the bare minimum understanding of human nature.”
        -> I understand human nature, but I also understand the power of Zionist propaganda.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 12:23 pm

        “We certainly know that there are some Jews who believe wholeheartedly in endogamy and Phil himself has gotten flak here from Jews about his marriage to a Quaker.”

        Hell, that ain’t nothin’. The girl I married can shimmy like her sister, Kate!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 5:52 pm

        “I would be unhappy if a family member married a non-Jew.”

        That’s no problem. Just make sure the female half of the drama (no matter which religion) is pregnant before you tell the parents. That stifles most objections to matrimony. Why, marriage plans will come as a positive relief!
        Oh, okay, sorry, just trying to be helpful.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 20, 2015, 8:26 pm

        My Japanese father-in-law was dubious about me, on the standard grounds that no-one was good enough for his daughter. (And he was right. I certainly wasn’t. And she wasn’t pregnant. )

        But my wife’s sister took it too far. She married a Frenchman!
        I know we’re all God’s children, but…

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 9:13 pm

        “She married a Frenchman!”

        There must be some reason for it, many, many people do. I imagine they take their marital vows in French, too.
        I’m not sure I could answer “I oui“, without giggling nervously.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      January 19, 2015, 7:30 am

      It’s very hard to disentangle the “ethnic” from the “religious.” Historically Jewish identity is so deeply immersed in religion that even atheists who wish to preserve a Jewish identity are forced back into religious practices. For instance, my father, who did not believe in God and thought of himself as a communist, nonetheless had me circumcised (under the false guise of a medical procedure). He paid a considerable sum each year to reserve a good seat in the synagogue (just in case he might want to go, as he explained) but never went. Both my sister and I married non-Jews: our parents accepted it but did not hide the fact that they would have been happier if we had married “Jews” (ideally atheist Jews, of course). None of these contradictions is in the least atypical. Opinion surveys are quite incapable of probing them, only in-depth interviewing, preferably under hypnosis, might do so.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 19, 2015, 8:08 am

        “It’s very hard to disentangle the ethnic from the religious.”
        -> Perhaps it’s hard for self-identified Jews, but it’s not hard for non-Jews.
        What I wanted to express is that there’s a difference between atheists who say “I don’t want to date a Jew because we disagree on religion.” and actual anti-Semites who say “I don’t want to date a Jew because Jews are evil subhumans.”

      • Theo
        Theo
        January 19, 2015, 9:08 am

        Yes, you find hypocracts in all religions, those who do not believe in God, but want to be sure just in case.
        John Hopkins University in Baltimore did a long research on a possible jewish gen, yet found none, meaning the so called jews come from many different groups of peoples and the only common dominator among them is the religion. For a so called jew, who is not religious, but insist that his son marries a jewish woman, who also may be an atheist, this wish is a hypocracy at the highest level.
        According to many there is no such thing as a jewish nation or race, just like there is no such thing as a catholic, islamic or buddhist race or nation, they are simply religions, its members come from different nations and races.
        My question is: can a person who comes from an atheist catholic family, he being also an atheist, can say that I am a catholic? The catholic church say NO!
        For me a religion has the same value as which club do you belong to, or do you prefer white wine or red wine. Personal choice, nothing else, and I would never chose my friends on the base of their choice of wine!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 12:55 pm

        “I don’t want to date a Jew because Jews are evil subhumans.”

        Some of them are even psycho ex-husbands and wives!

        “Personal choice, nothing else, and I would never chose my friends on the base of their choice of wine!”

        I’m very democratic like that, too. Screw-tops, “Spritzers” in five-gallon cardboard jugs with spigots, MD 20-20, I don’t care, I’ll drink it.

      • Theo
        Theo
        January 19, 2015, 1:27 pm

        Mooser, funny, however please do not invite me for a dinner when you serve such wines, not that I believe that you drink it.
        Good food requires good wine and we live only once.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 3:31 pm

        “None of these contradictions is in the least atypical.”

        Thanks for your comments, Stephen. Yes, there can be a lot of contradictions. And as you say, those are not atypical.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 3:43 pm

        “Yes, you find hypocracts in all religions, those who do not believe in God, but want to be sure just in case.”

        For a so called jew, who is not religious, but insist that his son marries a jewish woman, who also may be an atheist, this wish is a hypocracy at the highest level.”

        Gee, I thought Stephen Shenfield explained himself pretty well, and at the cost of some personal exposure. Do you “insist” on misunderstanding him, in certain opprobrious ways?

  7. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    January 18, 2015, 4:22 pm

    “When peace is being talked about, with real plausibility, anti-Semitism in Europe dies down.”
    -> Talking peace with real plausibility? Has this ever happened? I don’t think so. There’s only one kind of peace that the Zionists would agree to, namely complete Palestinian surrender.

    “I was amazed that 80% of the CAA survey of the general public rejected the statement: Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.”
    -> Yes, that’s indeed surprising.

    • straightline
      straightline
      January 19, 2015, 11:58 pm

      I have often wondered what would happen if the Palestinians said “We surrender”. What would Israel do? International opprobrium would hopefully prevent wholesale deportation and to where? The last thing Israel wants is that the Palestinians surrender – whatever that means. It cannot then go on doing what it does to them with impunity.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 21, 2015, 5:58 pm

        @ straightline
        When I wrote “complete surrender”, I had in mind that Palestinians either commit suicide or abandon their homes and emigrate.

  8. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    January 18, 2015, 7:16 pm

    1 in 4 British people (25%) believe Jews chase money more than other British people

    Tell me how that anti-semitic attitude has anything to do with Israel.
    And these questions in the survey that also revealed how widespread endemic anti-semitism is and how fundamentally it has nothing to do with Zionism:

    1. Jews think they are better than other people.

    2. In business, Jews are not as honest as most people.

    3. I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew.

    4. Jews have too much power in the media.

    5. Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.
    Jews who think that they can counter anti-semitism if they behave ‘better’ and kowtow to the sensibilities of the other are fools who have learned nothing from the annals of history.

    What Israel does can generate spikes in anti-semitism but the underlying bases for anti-semitism are fed by more deeply entrenched prejudices.
    Reading Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition (New York: Norton, 2013) by David Nirenberg,  has helped me understand much better at a meta-level the virulent hate that Jews have faced throughout history. Nirenberg’s ‘brilliant, fascinating, and deeply depressing book’ goes a long way to explain the malignant ‘noise’ that we keep hearing about Jews and their allegedly ‘unsavory’ behaviours.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 12:00 pm

      ” that we keep hearing about Jews and their allegedly ‘unsavory’ behaviours.”

      Mayhem, don’t worry too much about it. You should hear what the British public, a large percentage of it says about the Royals!!. “Unsavory” doesn’t even begin to describe it.

      And thank G-d, none of us will ever be mixed up in those scandals!

      • Whizdom
        Whizdom
        January 19, 2015, 3:29 pm

        Shallow end of the gene pool, those Windsors, eh? Toe sucking dullards, the whole lot

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:28 pm

        “Shallow end of the gene pool, those Windsors, eh? Toe sucking dullards, the whole lot”

        Well, naturally, you can’t expect them to have the +15 IQ gene, unless they get it from the wrong side of the covers. But you’ll have to ask Epstein and Dersh about the Royals, they know them.

        Oh wait, now I get it, Whizdom, you’re making a funny about the King David Hotel blow-up. Yup, dumb Brits.

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo
      January 19, 2015, 4:02 pm

      Can we please have a similar survey about Muslims please? And then Nigerians, then the Irish and then the Pakistanis….

      Guess what will happen. Shock horror! Yes lots of people will say other stupid stereotypical things about all of these different groups because that is unfortunately what people do, mainly out of harmless ignorance.

      So where are all these other surveys? I bet the one about Muslims wouldn’t be very pretty reading.

      But it’s always the Jews, the likes of the CAA, the ADL etc carrying out these stupid surveys trying to use a microscope to find any evidence of so called anti semitism in order to cement their place in history as the eternal victims of the human race.

      The Jewish community where I grew up in Stamford Hill were more racist and xenophobic towards others than they were towards us. We are the chosen people after all. We all lived in a self segregated ghetto and just expected everyone else to conform to standards we ourselves did not uphold.

      And right now we have even more security around Jewish schools and synagogues after the Paris incident where we should have protection for the Muslims who are undoubtedly the ones suffering the most.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 19, 2015, 5:34 pm

        “The Jewish community where I grew up in Stamford Hill were more racist and xenophobic towards others than they were towards us.”

        Were they anti-Gentile in general or were they hostile to a specific group of non-Jews?

        In a recent documentary about Jerusalem, a Palestinian woman said that the Jewish settlers are much more afraid of Palestinians than Palestinians are afraid of the Jewish settlers.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        January 19, 2015, 6:40 pm

        @GL
        I’m referring to orthodox Jews here. They were anti gentile in general. It was a self segregated community. Nobody forced them to live like that. They chose to do so. So when you make that decision to segregate, which also includes your own exclusive schools, synagogues, shops, rabbinical court you are excluding *outsiders *. We were advised not to hang around or play with the Goyim. That in effect is saying to a young child that ‘those people’ are not good for you. You should only be with your own people.

        Goyim by default of being Goyim had to be excluded because they broke all the rules of our group. First and foremost their blood line was not Jewish because they did not emerge from a Jewish womb. That’s already one strike and you’re out! Then you can further add they didn’t believe in the Torah, some didn’t believe in God (shock horror!), they didn’t keep the sabbath, they ate pork and unclean foods, they didn’t believe in our history, they were not like us! Stay away from them. We are the chosen people. They are the Goyim. That was the mindset.

        Yes I’m talking about the orthodox community but the slightly less orthodox community, the more ‘modern’ Jews from say Golders green were still very similar; tight segregated close knit community, exclusive schools etc. They looked a bit more modern but the mindset was similar. By virtue of growing up in such a community you tend to only have other Jewish friends and socialise in exclusively Jewish circles.

        So I can only describe their attitude as xenophobic. And let’s be honest, it’s quite hard to like xenophobic people.

      • just
        just
        January 19, 2015, 6:02 pm

        Do you have a link to the documentary, GL?

        Perhaps the Palestinian woman was displaying a false bravado…

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 19, 2015, 6:20 pm

        @ just
        The title is “360° Geo Reportage – Jerusalem im Morgengrauen”.
        Here’s the link: http://www.arte.tv/guide/de/046836-000/360-geo-reportage
        The woman was specifically talking about the situation in Jerusalem.

      • MRW
        MRW
        January 19, 2015, 8:39 pm

        So I can only describe their attitude as xenophobic. And let’s be honest, it’s quite hard to like xenophobic people.

        Which is so different from the experience of the American Colonial Jew, who was two things: a practitioner of the Sephardic (Spanish-Portuguese) Jewish tradition until the mid-1800s, and a shopkeeper or merchant, which meant a cut above those who worked the land. Acculturation was common here in the US.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 20, 2015, 4:35 am

        @ Bornajoo
        Thanks for your explanations. Sounds a bit like the Amish.
        Questions: I assume that Reform Jews were rejected too, for not being Jewish enough!? If you don’t abide by the community’s rules, do they expel you?
        By the way, here’s a study from 2011 titled “Intolerance, Prejudice and Discrimination – A European Report”: http://www.fes.de/cgi-bin/gbv.cgi?id=07908&ty=pdf
        The anti-Semitic statements are on page 57, the racist statements on page 59, the anti-Muslim statements on page 61. On page 80, the different hostilities are compared and it turns out that anti-Semitism is the lowest.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        January 20, 2015, 6:22 pm

        @GL
        Yes reform Jews would not be accepted there, as you say ‘not Jewish enough’. They generally don’t live amongst orthodox Jews. They tend to congregate in other Jewish communities away from that area

        Yes they do ‘expel’ but it has to be something fairly serious (or what they see as serious). In one of my other recent posts I mentioned a case of some orthodox parents who were not happy with the way that the local rabbinical court was dealing with another orthodox man (and another friend of his) who were sexually abusing their very young children. They decided to go to the police (out of utter despair and frustration) and the community nearly killed them (Yes nearly physically killed them). Their ‘crime’ was to take community business outside of the community. The fact that their kids were abused didn’t count. They were expelled and were lucky not to have been lynched by the mob that came after them

        Thanks very much for the document. I’m absolutely not surprised that anti semitism was the lowest of all the various racism and prejudices that exist in every society.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 20, 2015, 4:41 am

        @ just
        “Perhaps the Palestinian woman was displaying a false bravado.”
        -> I think what she meant was: Palestinians are harmless, peaceful people, but nevertheless the Jewish settlers have an extreme, irrational fear of them. The Palestinian fear of the Jewish settlers, however, is rational and justified.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 21, 2015, 11:58 am

        @ Bornajoo
        “Their ‘crime’ was to take community business outside of the community. They were expelled and were lucky not to have been lynched by the mob that came after them.”

        Wow, incredible! When multiculturalism turns into parallel societies, then that’s a real problem.
        You should write a book about your experiences with the orthodox Jewish community. I am sure it would sell well. I really liked Shalom Auslander’s book “Foreskin’s Lament”.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        January 21, 2015, 4:38 pm

        @GL
        Foreskins Lament is on my list if stuff to read. I hope I can get around to it soon.

        I have my own word for multiculturalism, which in many parts of London doesn’t exist and Instead you get the parallel societies that you mention.

        I call it MULTIGHETTOISM.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 22, 2015, 4:07 am

        @ Bornajoo
        “Foreskins Lament is on my list if stuff to read.”

        -> The most surprising information in the book was this: When Auslander was a boy, he did some shoplifting. He thought that he was very good at it, because he was never caught. One day, however, he decided to wear a baseball cap instead of his usual kippah. And when he tried to shoplift, he was immediately caught. This made him realise that the only reason he was never caught before is his kippah. Shop assistants simply don’t pay attention to Jewish kids, because they believe that they are too religious to steal.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        January 22, 2015, 10:48 am

        @GL
        That’s a very poignant little incident and quite telling. I’m looking forward to reading the book.

    • Keith
      Keith
      January 19, 2015, 8:41 pm

      MAYHEM- “…helped me understand much better at a meta-level the virulent hate that Jews have faced throughout history.”

      Wow! I guess that we Gentiles are pretty rotten human beings! No wonder you have such a “virulent hate” of Gentiles. Any ideas about why 99.9% of humanity turned out so bad? To me, the most amazing thing is how Jews became the most successful ethnic group in the US (the world?) IN SPITE OF all of this rabid anti-Semitism. Jeez, if you guys had a level playing field just think of the results! Talk about meritocracy! In view of these circumstances, I guess that Jews must be truly superior. There, I said it! I’ll bet you have thought the same thing from time to time, haven’t you? I mean, how could you be like us if we are so rotten? It only stands to reason that Jews have somehow escaped Gentile irrationality. On the other hand, You don’t suppose that this book you read is yet more Jewish eternal victimhood mythology? And you a Zionist propagandist trying to incite a little anti-Semitism with your crude anti-Gentile smears?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:32 pm

        “Wow! I guess that we Gentiles are pretty rotten human beings! “

        Well, a lot of them, except my wife and her family. Are you related to them, Keith? Cause if you are, I don’t care what anybody says, you’re all right.

  9. RoHa
    RoHa
    January 18, 2015, 7:57 pm

    “I’m pretty sure that Yorkshiremen think they are better than Lancastrians’

    In the Wallace and Gromit film A Matter of Loaf and Death, Lancastrians Wallace and Gromit get rid of a bomb by tossing it over the wall on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border. Once it is in Yorkshire, no-one need care if it explodes or not.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      January 19, 2015, 7:04 am

      Not only do Yorkshire and Lancashire people tend to be very different in character, but the War of the Roses between York and Lancaster is still fresh in their minds, having ended a mere half a millennium ago (in 1487). Give them time.

    • Theo
      Theo
      January 19, 2015, 9:19 am

      You find the same in all nations, this kind of mentality goes all the way down to neighbouring communities, both thinking the others are not so smart as we are.
      It is a sad human nature, we don´t like most anything about others, or how many neighbours really like eachother?

    • straightline
      straightline
      January 20, 2015, 5:37 am

      Of course Yorkshiremen are better than Lancastrians! I can speak with some authority!

      Incidentally Nick Park, creator of Wallace and Gromit, was born in Lancashire but studied in Sheffield, Yorkshire. And Wallace’s favourite cheese is Wensleydale which is definitely from Yorkshire!

      http://wallaceandgromit.net/wensleydale.php

      In fact, the “War of the Roses” is, these days, more a matter of fun than anything serious, except for the twice yearly cricket match between the two counties – then it becomes serious. These days the two counties are united by a common enemy – bloody southerners!

  10. michelle
    michelle
    January 18, 2015, 9:39 pm

    .
    another question
    is there any reason to believe that the poll ‘findings’
    were not straight up tampered with
    .
    polls just another means to mess with ‘your’ mind
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      January 18, 2015, 10:27 pm

      michelle: I’ve seen this sort of poll regularly over the years. Perhaps they are done by people with sincere intentions, and perhaps there was no intentional tampering here, but on the face of it the questions seem designed to confirm a prior belief. If the pollsters were sincere, they weren’t very skillful as social scientists. Mr. Cohen doesn’t use the poll to support a Zionist argument in any event–he is on the side of the Angels here–so perhaps more discussion of the poll would be beating a dead horse.

      Still, I’ll note that I’m always left wondering whether it matters if some of the beliefs are factually true? Would it be antisemitic to recognize that reality? Or perhaps only Jews are permitted to recognize it. Over the years I’ve seen numerous references to the likely superior intelligence of Jews, for example. A column by R. Cohen of WaPo provided an opening to this literature for me. Some of the evidence is discussed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

      It’s an article of faith in some circles that one wants a Jewish doctor, lawyer, money manger, etc., not because of ethnic affinity but because they are more competent.

      The numerous discussions (often by Jews) of the disproportionate representation of Jews among prize winners in many fields don’t always attribute this success to greater intelligence exclusively. Behavior and attitudes such as work ethic, emphasis on education, self-help (individually and collectively) etc. are frequently mentioned as relevant variables too. But they too could be interpreted as reasons for supporting a positive response to the question.

      Regarding the questionnaire, people responding to it might give a positive answer to the first question in one of two ways. They might (with some anecdotal evidence in the form of books, articles, newspaper columns, and oral comments from Jewish people for support) believe that a significant number of Jews believe that Jews are smarter, more competent, and more successful than other groups on average, without personally sharing that belief. Or they might share the belief that this superiority is empirically true. Either way, it isn’t clear to me that an affirmative answer to the first question is necessarily an indicator of anti-semitism. Absent evidence to the contrary not provided by the poll, it could be an accurate assessment of the state of the world.

      As some of the other commenters have indicated, some of the other questions could similarly be found to be rather dubious indicators. But saying more seems unnecessary. As I noted, I’ve no wish to quarrel with Mr. Cohen.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 19, 2015, 1:18 am

        “the questions seem designed to confirm a prior belief.” (Boomer)

        I’ve always suspected that this is behind all polls and that they are conducted with a desired objective. If I’d be polled on whether or not the Jews control the press, I’d answer that yes, and bravo to them for having succeeded at reaching that point. You can’t hold it against a particular group for having excelled at something. And it’s only natural that the Jewish controlled press would be favourable to Israel. If the Arabs don’t like it, they have enough money to buy all of it. As to the Jews being competent, everything else being equal, I’d pick a Jewish lawyer or doctor over another. I once asked a Jewish friend what was it that made Jews so good at what they do and he said that this was a common myth and that there were equally good non-Jewish doctors, lawyers, musicians and so on but that we don’t home-in on their ethnicity but we do so on the Jews because everyone keeps pointing to the Jews and this why Jews appear to stick out. He was politely telling me it was a racist thing to think so. He didn’t convince me.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 12:43 pm

        “You can’t hold it against a particular group for having excelled at something”

        Walid, you said “group”! Well, for your information, Walid, I happen to be part, undoubtedly, of that “particular group”. And sorry to bust your bubble, but that pulls us right down to “eh, barely average” or below.
        That’s the way math works, you know.

      • michelle
        michelle
        January 19, 2015, 2:29 pm

        .
        Mr. Cohen addresses many valid points and leaves the door open to those that would look for more
        .
        seems like a poll tells more about those asking the questions
        .
        maybe if polls were more base/general
        .
        for myself
        race sex religion even place of birth rank far below important issues such as;
        might this help me/and the world as a whole be more ….
        honest
        balanced
        just
        kind
        safe
        happy
        ….
        .
        in my small experience most polls do more to divide than unite
        though if most people ‘see’ them the way Mr. Cohen and many here do
        i may have to change my mind
        .
        maybe someone should poll that
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • Bandolero
      Bandolero
      January 18, 2015, 10:38 pm

      It’s possible, of course.

      However I think the more powerful way to get desired results is to pose the questions accordigly. Just look at this question for example:

      “Jews have too much power in the media.”

      So, how would one respond who thinks that most mass media have a Zionist pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian bias, and that that is no good thing?

      If someone answers then “Partly agree” with the statement above, because he believes many Zionists who are influential in the media are jews, but he thinks the wording of the statement is wrong conflating jews with zionists, then that’s taken as proof for anti-semitism. Though, when asked, whether he/she would object if a relative married a jew, than he answers he have no objection because he understands that judaism and Zionism are two different things.

      Another thing is that causes for anti-semitism are not questioned thoroughly. For example, one may believe that lot’s of Muslim anti-semitism may have a root in the Saudi/Qatari doctrines of Wahhabism. One may further believe that ruling British elites, including Zionists, powerful jews and the government of Israel, are partly responsible for the spread of Islamic anti-semitism, because they are in cahoots with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and let their Saudi/Qatari allies spread their Wahhabi version of intolerant Islam in Britain (and France, and other western countries) virtually unchecked, or they even encourage Saudi/Qatari donations for Islamic teaching in Britain (and France, etc.)

      And what about people who dislike most jews because they think most jews are adherents of a racist ideology called Zionism? Or what about those who think that “Israel” is “the state of the jewish people” and therefore jews worldwide agree with what the government of Israel does? Of course, such polls don’t reflect such opinions, and those who pay for the polls don’t want the poll to reflect such opinions, because they would lead to undesired political conclusions.

      So, I believe, such superficial polls on anti-semitism poorly reflect real opinions. They are more like a PR tool to influence policy in a direction those who pay for them favor.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        January 19, 2015, 8:55 am

        @Bandolero

        Disliking group X for “good” reasons and disliking group X are the same things.

        I could do the same kind of analysis of say anti-black attitudes in the USA.

        What if someone doesn’t like blacks because they rightfully believe they engage in more serious criminal activities on a per capita basis? What is someone doesn’t like blacks because they are less educated than whites?

        The answer is, the people doing the surveys don’t care about the why. The why is generally irrelevant. People who don’t like ethnic minorities have in their own head good reasons for that dislike. That’s a given. It is always the case.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 12:03 pm

        And after the blacks were, in spite of their actions, given a state, and kept invading and colonizing areas outside of it, people totally lost their patience with them.

      • MRW
        MRW
        January 19, 2015, 8:03 pm

        Good one, Mooser.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        January 20, 2015, 6:54 am

        @Bandolero: +1

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:38 pm

        “Good one, Mooser.”

        I don’t know, sometimes I can’t help but think there’s something a just a little bit inconsistent about Mayem’s reasoning. Can’t put my finger on it, tho. It’s almost like he has differing standards for different people.
        But at least he’s never, ever self-serving. In fact, you will note that if Mayhem’s arguments are accepted, and things go the way he thinks they should, he will have to make so many sacrifices! That alone gives his arguments and positions so much weight!

    • American
      American
      January 19, 2015, 9:18 am

      @ Michelle

      Ditto

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        January 19, 2015, 7:01 pm

        JeffB
        Of course it does matter why and on what reasons people hold negative opinions or prejudices. And of course it does matter if people differentiate between an identity of others and actions of others, but a poll does not.

        While I agree with you that people who don’t like ethnic minorities have in their own head good reasons for that dislike let me bring a different comparison to make the point more clear. Instead of comparing jews with blacks let’s compare jews with the British or Saudi royals.

        There are some people who dislike royals and have prejudices against royals just because they are royals though nobody has any guilt of being born a royal. These people are for the abolishment of the monarchy. Let’s call these people anti-royal. Other people may generally be fine with the system of a monarchy, but they dislike the abuse of power, warmongering and the amassing of wealth by some powerful royals and the support of these powerful royals by other royals. It’s an important difference, but then a poll goes and asks: do you dislike the (media) power of the royals? And when people then answer “yes, partly” the pollsters make the headline: Shocking! xx percent of the population are anti-royal, hold prejudices against royals.

        Of course the comparison of jews with royals doesn’t fit well, because jews have not the legal status of royals, but the comparison of jews with blacks doesn’t fit well, too, because jews are a very successful and powerful minority well magnitudes above their share of the general population, while balcks are a very unsuccessful and powerless minority magnitudes under their share of the general population. That jews were so successful and powerful was different some decades and centuries ago, but it obviously changed today.

        Regarding media (and other tools of power) for example I think it’s obvious that some powerful jews (most, if not of them staunch Zionists), wield much larger media power (and other power) than a jewish population share of between 0.3% in Britain and 3% in the USA would suggest.

        Don’t you see a difference between holding prejudices against a powerless minority and having a grudge against the abuse of power of some powerful people? In the polls that isn’t reflected at all.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 4:07 pm

        “while balcks are a very unsuccessful and powerless minority magnitudes under their share of the general population.”

        Wouldn’t that have been more gracefully phrased as “blacks did not even have the legal rights afforded to Jews (in the US), and had to fight for each right as a separate decision. They were, for much of their history in the US virtually non-persons Wherever black people are given the same legal rights (and not subjected to overwhelming social prejudice) and those rights are not abrogated they do just fine.

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        January 20, 2015, 8:38 pm

        Mooser

        Yes, of course. In no way I wanted to say that black people are more stupid, and jewish people are more intelligent or having any other group attribute by birth that makes blacks or jews generally them different.

        I even tried to edit my comment in that direction after I had posted it, but when I submitted the edit, time was already over.

        Wherever black people are given the same legal rights (and not subjected to overwhelming social prejudice) and those rights are not abrogated they do just fine.

        There is much more to that than just having the same legal rights. I think reasons have also a lot to do with having the same social chances, the financial status of parents, education chances, the existence or absence of effective group specific career networks and so on. In short: when one is born into a group that is down, it’s hard to get up. And other way round it seems also to be true: when one when one is born into a group that is doing well, chances are good that one will do well, too. However, that was not my main point.

        My main point was that there is a huge difference between holding prejudices against a powerless minority (whatever the reasons) and having a grudge against the abuse of power by some powerful people (whoever they are and whatever the reasons for their power), and such difference is deliberately eliminated from such polls on anti-semitism as discussed here.

  11. Walid
    Walid
    January 19, 2015, 12:04 am

    Robert Cohen is right in saying that all this brouhaha is bogus and to suck Jews out of Europe and draw them to Israel.

    A couple of years back, the BBC reported that in the UK a person gets mugged every 2 minutes and last year, people in London were 25% more at risk of being mugged than in Harlem.

    About antisemitic actions in the UK for 2014 with a population of 64 million, it was reported the the number of incidents spiked during Israel’s war on Gaza, so there’s definitely something tied to Israel’s mischief. On the other hand, some of the antisemitic actions reported are ridiculous as seen in the following sampling reported by the ADL for 2014. One has to assume that the ADL picked what it felt were the most important manifestations of antisemitism so it can be guessed what most of the other ones were actually about.

    From a world report for 2014 by the ADL, on the UK, the 8 most serious incidents:

    “UNITED KINGDOM

    December 30, 2014 – London – Swastikas were painted on more then 20 cars in a heavily Jewish neighborhood.

    September 12, 2014 – Hertfordshire – Visibly Jewish school students were refused entry into a sporting goods store by a security guard who told them “no Jews” were allowed in. The store later apologized and the security guard was fired.

    August 2, 2014 – Hove – “Free Gaza” was spray painted on a synagogue.

    July 30, 2014 – Kingston – A sign reading “child murderers” was taped the door of a synagogue.

    July 13, 2014 – Hendon – A swastika was spray painted on the front door of a Jewish home.

    July 12, 2014 – Manchester – Following a pro-Palestinian rally, occupants in a group of cars driving through the Jewish neighborhood of Broughton Park shouted and swore at Jewish pedestrians with slogans that included “Heil Hitler”. Cans and eggs were thrown at Jewish pedestrians from at least two of the cars.

    June 22, 2014 – Manchester – 40 gravestones were pushed over and smashed in the Blackley Jewish Cemetery.

    June 22, 2014 – Tottenham – Neo-Nazi’s attacked concert-goers at a music festival, pelting them with fireworks and rocks. One of those deliberately attacked was wearing a kippa.

    For ADL samplings of other countries:

    http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/international/c/global-antisemitism-2014.html

    • Walid
      Walid
      January 19, 2015, 12:30 am

      And the ADL’s report on France.

      “FRANCE

      December 22, 2014 – Paris – A bullet fired from an air gun pierced a window of the David Ben Ichay synagogue. No one was injured.

      December 1, 2014 – Paris – Three armed individuals robbed a Jewish couple – a 19 year old woman and her 21 year old partner- at gunpoint, and raped the woman. The assailants reportedly told the couple they shouldn’t try to pretend they didn’t have money because they knew they were Jewish.

      November 6, 2014 – Paris – A visibly Jewish male was beaten by a group of approximately 15 teens outside of a school.

      August 12, 2014 – Marseilles -A visibly Jewish male was in his car and wanted to park in his building’s garage, but another car was blocking the entrance. He honked and a young man came out of the building and said, “Dirty Jew, you’re not in Gaza here. I’m going to kill you and your family.” The victim tried to flee into the building, but was followed by the young man and several members of his family who hit him in the face and head.

      August 1, 2014 – Nice -Two men insulted two Jews near a local synagogue on Friday night, then came back at 3:30am Saturday with iron bars and broke a glass door and a surveillance camera. Police were close by and arrested them on the spot.

      July 26, 2014 – Toulouse – Following an anti-Israel demonstration, a protestor threw two Molotov cocktails at the security kiosk of the Jewish Community Center. The cocktails exploded but missed their target, and the attacker was quickly arrested.

      July 24, 2014 – Bobigny – A Jewish male was attacked by a group of people after his address was published on a Facebook page. He sustained light injuries.

      July 23, 2014 – Paris -Police arrested 16 people, mostly minors, for yelling “Death to Jews!” at a patrons of a restaurant on rue de Rosier, one of the more famous streets in the old Jewish Quarter of Paris.

      July 22, 2014 – Gap – During an anti-Israel demonstration yesterday in Gap (southeastern France) with 300 participants, ten hooded individuals broke a window where a Star of David was visible. They threatened to kill the woman inside, but didn’t enter and fled before the police arrived.

      July 20, 2014 – Sarcelles -A kosher store that was attacked with an improvised grenade in 2012 was attacked again, apparently with a Molotov cocktail, during an illegal anti-Israel demonstration.

      July 18, 2014 – Lyon – A young Jewish male was hit in the head as his attacker yelled, “I want to kill all the Jews.” The attacker was arrested on the spot by police.

      July 18, 2014 – Lyon – A banner with “Israel Assassin” was hung on the gate of a synagogue.

      July 13, 2014 – Paris – During a large anti-Israel demonstration two synagogues were attacked. Dozens of demonstrators broke off and tried to attack the Synagogue de la Roquette, while other demonstrators tried to enter the synagogue at Rue des Tournelles. Anti-Semitic slogans were reported in both incidents and chants of “Death to the Jews!” were heard during the demonstration.

      July 7, 2014 – Paris – A 17-year-old Jewish girl was attacked and pepper sprayed in her face while the assailant made anti-Semitic remarks.

      June 14, 2014 – Paris – Two men pointed what appeared to be firearms at police officers stationed outside a synagogue.

      June 14, 2014 – Garges les Gonesses – A knife and other objects were hurled into the interior yard of a synagogue.

      June 7, 2014 – Sarcelles – Two visibly Jewish teenagers were sprayed with tear gas.

      May 30, 2014 – Paris – A Jewish man was attacked by three assailants who said to him: “We know it was you who called the cops yesterday. You Jews are all the same.” They then proceeded to physically assualt the individual, shouting “You’re a dirty Jew. We know where you live, we know your wife, your kids, your car.” The man sustained a broken elbow during the incident.

      May 24, 2014 – Paris – Two Jewish brothers, aged 19 and 22, who were on their way to a local synagogue, were beaten with brass knuckles by two assailants. One victim was hospitalized with a severe eye injury.

      May 13, 2014 – Paris – A Jewish woman and her baby were assaulted while waiting for a bus. An unidentified woman shook the baby’s stroller and shouted at the mother: “Dirty Jewess, enough with your children already, you Jews have too many children, screw you!”

      March 10, 2014 – Paris – A visibly identifiable Jewish male was attacked by two men with a stun gun near a local synagogue. He was not seriously hurt, but did require hospitalization.

      March 2, 2014 – Paris – An orthodox Jewish man was assaulted and beaten on a Metro train. The four assailants, who were described as of Arab descent, reportedly shouted “Jews” before the attack.”
      ________________________________________________________

      The July 13, 2014 incident was discussed here at length and it was concluded that it had been the French arm of the JDL that had started the rumble with the Palestine marchers in Paris, but the ADL above make it appear that the pro-Palestinian marchers had attacked the synagogues for no reason.

      It was also discussed here (and by Abunimah at EI) that the IDF was using the Paris Grand Synagogue for recruitment.

      • tree
        tree
        January 19, 2015, 1:02 am

        The July 13, 2014 incident was discussed here at length and it was concluded that it had been the French arm of the JDL that had started the rumble with the Palestine marchers in Paris, but the ADL above make it appear that the pro-Palestinian marchers had attacked the synagogues for no reason.

        Not only did video show that the JDL thugs attacked the marchers first, but the Rabbi of the Paris Synagogue flatly denied that the synagogue itself was attacked.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/synagogue-attributed-semitism

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 19, 2015, 1:31 am

        Tree, that video also showed the French police providing cover for the JDL thugs. We also discussed how the the police had provided a Ministry of the Interior-owned hall for the French JDL to be trained in the Krav Maga martial arts course.

      • Theo
        Theo
        January 19, 2015, 9:30 am

        And shortly before the attack on Charlie Hebdo three moshees were fire bombed in Paris. Do we see an organised provocation to incite twist between those two religions?
        Who would profit, Netanyahu? Remember the attacks on jews in Iran during the 1950s, commited by the Mossad to force them to immigrate to Israel?

        By the way, jewish rabbies rushed to those fires to offer their help, not a catholic priest showed up, as far as I know. Jews and moslems lived in relative peace side by side for many centuries, until the zionist showed up.

  12. Marnie
    Marnie
    January 19, 2015, 12:31 am

    I never went to college, barely finished high school, too much interest in WWW (weed, whites and wine). I know I’m out of my league here and feel insecure at times about it, but it hasn’t kept me from posting. The issue, if it is an issue, of Jews feeling insecure is making me kind of ill. I think most of us are feeling insecure because of the world we all live in. Israel is just another shitty place in the world, but it’s mostly that way if you aren’t Jewish. That is a given and not up for debate at this late juncture, is it? Israel’s criminality are in focus and that makes zionists uncomfortable. Nu? So what. The civil rights movement made the white citizens councils and local chapters of the KKK uncomfortable too. Again, so what. Get used to it. Back to all of us though, I think the level of anger and frustration in the world may be at an all time high. Too many people are suffering at the expense of too few that sit at the top of this heap. I can’t imagine what their lives are like. How much money is enough? Most of us live from paycheck to paycheck and I don’t really call it living, only surviving. And its really, really hard. And it makes you sad, angry and hopeless when you realize you aren’t going to get out of the trap you’re in and you hope for so much better for your children, but if its this hard for you, how much harder will it be for them? It’s not the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindu, etc.; it’s not the black, brown, yellow, red or white that’s the problem, in my opinion. It’s more like Paul who said: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 12:18 pm
      • MRW
        MRW
        January 19, 2015, 8:08 pm

        That was fast: WWW.

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 19, 2015, 8:59 pm

        MOOSER- Linda Ronstadt? Why not Little Feat?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:44 pm

        “MOOSER- Linda Ronstadt? Why not Little Feat?”

        Only because the Linda R. version is, I think more widely known than the version by the song’s originators. Here sung by its author, Lowell George.

    • MRW
      MRW
      January 19, 2015, 8:08 pm

      Good post, Marnie.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        January 21, 2015, 5:10 am

        Really enjoy the original – thanks for putting it up.

  13. Kay24
    Kay24
    January 19, 2015, 1:00 am

    Let us Rejoice, even though Hell has frozen over:

    Faux News apologizing? Wow that is a first. Imagine if they had to apologize for all the lies, inaccuracies, and “errors”, they may have to start a daily segment for that. :))

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/18/hell-freezes-over-as-fox-news-actually-apologizes-for-telling-blatant-lies-on-the-air-video/

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      January 19, 2015, 2:14 am

      That was long overdue. However, they apologized to the “people of France and England” and did not apologize to the French and English Muslim citizens to whom the vitriol and demonization was directed. One thing is for sure, Fox will no doubt stick their foot in their mouth and insult a population, make up ridiculous statistics, etc., and have to apologize again. It’d just be so much easier if they quit lying!!!

      The question I have is what brought this on? Has the Fox news audience matured in the last few weeks or months to the point that they actually hear the BS they’d been deaf to before? What’s goin’ on?

      • MRW
        MRW
        January 19, 2015, 8:12 pm

        British Prime Minister David Cameron called Steve Emerson “a complete idiot” for saying what he did about Birmingham. Embarrassed Murdoch’s Fox, and I’ll bet there was ridicule throughout the aristo crowd in Britain that reflected poorly on Murdoch, who is still smarting from the News of the World debacle. No doubt the edict to apologize came from the top.

  14. NickJOCW
    NickJOCW
    January 19, 2015, 6:16 am

    Few non-Jewish Europeans like Jews collectively and never have, individually is another matter. That doesn’t mean they dislike Jews, simply that there is no special nisus of affection which is what it seems people like Netanyahu demand. It’s an absence of the positive rather than anything negative. I don’t believe it is peculiar to Jews either, nor do I think polls like this do anything useful by forcing people to give opinions on issues they normally don’t think about. The question about marrying a Jew is typical since it assumes anyone gives two figs about such things and overlooks the fact that in the real world the response would depend entirely on the individual and the circumstances.

    Thirty years ago most people still saw Israel as an admirable project of healing and renewal for a people broken by the Holocaust

    Not really. Disillusion was evident long before and rife by the early 70s. The majority of British after the war had no such thoughts either, being less concerned about ‘healing and renewal for a people broken by the Holocaust’ than simply being able to forget about them and relegate what was referred to as ‘the Jewish problem’ to the past. A smaller group of largely left wing intellectuals were hoping to see a new social structure arise from the ashes of the immediate past, a kind of blue print for a peaceful. postwar future. Most are dead, only a few linger in the estuary, perhaps just as well or the first would feel frustrated and the second would be deeply disappointed.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 19, 2015, 6:27 am

      “The majority of British after the war had no such thoughts either, being less concerned about ‘healing and renewal for a people broken by the Holocaust’ than ”

      clearing up the rubble and putting Britain back together again.

    • American
      American
      January 19, 2015, 10:01 am

      NickJOCW January 19, 2015, 6:16 am

      Few non-Jewish Europeans like Jews collectively and never have, individually is another matter. That doesn’t mean they dislike Jews, simply that there is no special nisus of affection which is what it seems people like Netanyahu demand. It’s an absence of the positive rather than anything negative. I don’t believe it is peculiar to Jews either, nor do I think polls like this do anything useful by forcing people to give opinions on issues they normally don’t think about. – >>>>>>>>>>>>.

      Also ditto.
      And I see no contridiction or anti semitism in recongizing Jews (or anyone else) are different ‘individuals’ and also recongizing that Jews do act as a ‘group’ on many issues.
      Thats the way humans roll.

      IMO however this where the groupies go wrong—–>”is that mainstream British Jews want to be loyal to both Britain and Israel at the same time. They are British patriots and Zionists simultaneously. This is a totally illogical stance, but there you are.”

      Because it is illogical and and an impossibility in the real world of differing national interest. I have asked many times why any Jew would support the idea of loyalty to a world wide ‘nation
      ‘ of Jews, now represented by Israel, when that is the exact disloyalty accusation and canard that has dogged them since time began. And then complain about anti semitism and others attitudes toward them. It makes no sense to rational people.

      • NickJOCW
        NickJOCW
        January 19, 2015, 1:18 pm

        American. These are essentially inter-sectarian Jewish issues, and most non-Jews are really not bothered about them. Does it matter to Europeans if a Jew juggles divided loyalties? What matters is Israel’s defiance of international law in regard to its boundaries and actions. It’s like having an anti-social neighbour who has gone too far. Israel forces itself on world attention and is a nuisance, people want peace and quiet. Of course the world is full of evil and unpleasantness but most of it runs in the background and there is little to be gained expending emotional energy on things you can’t do anything about, you just have to work around them. I don’t think most Europeans conflate Zionists and Jews any more than they do Scots pro or anti independence. The problem is that Israel is an irritant and should be sorted out by the authorities; most of us hope it will be with the steps Abbas is taking and accept that in the meanwhile we just have to put up with it. But we don’t have to like it and there is not an iota of sympathy for Israel’s behaviour whatever nonsense our leaders espouse. Pieces like this, I regret to say, I put in the same inter-sectarian category. There may be more daubing of synagogues and so on but it’s from a small group, certainly not representative of the people at large, and it runs along with anti all sorts of other groups. Suggesting it is somehow exclusively anti-Semitic, or looking at it from an predominantly Jewish perspective, obscures the fact that it is one of many symptoms of deeper socioeconomic maiaise, and by diverting attention from the underlying problems it diverts attention from the malaise itself, and the noise it makes doing so is itself an irritant. I understand this is a forum precisely concerned with the Jewish perspective, fair enough, but the issue of equity and peace in Palestine and the desire for the enforcement of international law would be the same were Israelis other than Jews.

      • American
        American
        January 19, 2015, 2:34 pm

        NickJOCW January 19, 2015, 1:18 pm

        ”American. These are essentially inter-sectarian Jewish issues, and most non-Jews are really not bothered about them. Does it matter to Europeans if a Jew juggles divided loyalties? What matters is Israel’s defiance of international law in regard to its boundaries and actions. ”

        ”The problem is that Israel is an irritant and should be sorted out by the authorities; ”

        ” or looking at it from an predominantly Jewish perspective, obscures the fact that it is one of many symptoms of deeper socioeconomic maiaise, and by diverting attention from the underlying problems it diverts attention from the malaise itself, ”

        You’re preaching to the choir….I agree.

        I dont think its wise however to lump all issues together.
        The Israeli aberration in nations policies comes from pure politics and government corruption on the single issue of Israel.
        The socioeconomic inequality among populations is more complicated.
        Altnough they both may spring from related types of government corruption and/or incompetence–they require different fixes.

        In the US for instance socioeconomic inequality is not a root cause of some conseratives religious militancy or of neocon militancy —its their ‘ideologies’.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 12:37 pm

      “Few non-Jewish Europeans like Jews collectively and never have, individually is another matter.”

      You’ve hit it right on the head. Can we ever be among the few, the happy few, the band of bothers?

  15. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    January 19, 2015, 6:30 am

    There is a very strong whiff of a fallacious argument that when Israel is asserting itself that anti-semitism increases and so Israelis are causing anti-semitism. Robert Cohen has been quick to try and dodge the accusation that he is “not falling into the mindset of blaming the victims” however I think he has unfortunately failed to avoid wearing that criticism.

    The spike in anti-Jewish behavior at times like Operation Protective Edge reflects pure and unadulterated anti-semitism, which hibernates in our society until there is the opportunity for people with such inclination to express it. All criticism of Israel or protests related to Israel’s actions does not equate to antisemitism. What is clear is that increased reporting of tensions overseas and a rise in anti-Israel rhetoric provides an excuse/pretext to antisemites to act on their beliefs and carry out intimidation directed towards Jews.
    When key players in the media, pushing their own agendas, keep inferring Israel is the sole perpetrator in the I/P conflict, using contrived images of Palestinians to pull at the heartstrings of the politically ignorant, the scene is set for more irrational, anti Jewish reaction. 

    Do Phil or Adam ever consider how much succor they give to anti-semites by running Mondoweiss?  

    Refer http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/falkenstein-why-must-my-friend-be-afraid-to-be-jewish/5656978

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 12:10 pm

      “Do Phil or Adam ever consider how much succor they give to anti-semites by running Mondoweiss?”

      See, it, just shows to go you! Maybe they could keep us Jews out of Medical Schools, but the Carnegie Institute always has an “all comers” policy, and Mayhem must be one of it’s come lard graduates.

      Ah, the way ‘tribal unity’ works is always a wonder to me.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 19, 2015, 1:12 pm

      @Mayhem

      Last time I checked Palestinians in general, Gazans in particular, were not occupying any parts of Israel and carrying out daily human rights violations. Yes Israel is the primary perpetrator.

      “Do Phil or Adam ever consider how much succor they give to anti-semites by running Mondoweiss? ”

      None. They will be antisemites regardless.

      And of course in your view the facts and crimes of Israel are not the problem but the reporting and discussion of them are. Get a grip.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      January 19, 2015, 1:51 pm

      You can’t divorce the state of Israel from Zionists, be they Christians or Jews; however, Christian zionists can’t make aliyah no matter how well they keep kashrut, etc., because they aren’t members of the tribe. There will always be people who don’t like Jews and I won’t say antisemites because most Jews aren’t semitic by definition, but Arabs are. Anyway, there’ll always be people who don’t like Jews, women, children, Africans, Asians, Muslims, Indians, you name it Does Mondoweiss give them succor – I don’t think so. Mondoweiss encourages thinking. If anything gives succor it’s more like Arutz Sheva feeding the zionist/settler hatred of Palestinians and its Fox news doing the same thing.

      “The spike in anti-Jewish behavior at times like Operation Protective Edge reflects pure and unadulterated anti-semitism, which hibernates in our society until there is the opportunity for people with such inclination to express it.” Frankly, there’s a fairly strong whiff of bullshit in this statement. Israel is the only colonizing enterprise here in the 21st century; Israel goes on an every 2-3 year major shooting spree on the citizens of Gaza; Israel claims to be a democracy or have “democratic values” but decides who can marry whom; Israel has different rules for non-Jews……there’s so much more and you already know the problems so why still use that antisemitic card?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 5:37 pm

        “Christian zionists can’t make aliyah no matter how well they keep kashrut, etc., because they aren’t members of the tribe.”

        Oh, I don’t know. If Israel’s government wants to let them in, or give them something, land, money, or simply let them in, who is going to stop them?

  16. RobertB
    RobertB
    January 19, 2015, 8:11 am

    CNN’s Jim Clancy resigns after anti-Israel tweets: Anchor leaves Cable News Network after 34 years following controversial Twitter debate with pro-Israel activists over terror attack on Charlie Hebdo.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4615997,00.html

    • MRW
      MRW
      January 19, 2015, 7:40 pm

      Do Phil or Adam ever consider how much succor they give to anti-semites by running Mondoweiss?

      How would you know? You’ve only been on this board for 3 1/2 years. I’ve been round for over decade (mondowiess (The Observer) –>philweiss.org??? –> phillipweiss.org–> mondoweiss.net). The archives only started at the end of July, 2009. I’ve been here before Adam or Scott. And what the hell is succor anyway.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:49 pm

        “And what the hell is succor anyway.”

        Oh that’s easy; “succor” is what you have to be, to be a Zionist. It’s best if you’re the “all day” variety.

    • MRW
      MRW
      January 19, 2015, 7:52 pm

      Free speech anyone? What was wrong with those tweets?

  17. Robert Sterling
    Robert Sterling
    January 19, 2015, 8:19 am

    First they came for the free thinkers….

    1993 – Joseph Sobran – National Review- https://sanseverything.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/joseph-sobran-far-worse-than-a-holocaust-skeptic/
    1996 – Larry White, Robert Batemarco, and Robert Higgs – Foundation for Economic Education – http://jkalb.freeshell.org/rants/freeman.html
    2009 – Maurice Sinet – Charlie Hebdo – http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/15/393255/Charlie-Hebdo-lying-about-free-speech
    2009 – Joel Kovel – Bard College – http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/joel-kovel-fired-for-crime-of-anti.html
    2010 – Helen Thomas – White House – http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/03/19/142174.html
    2010 – Octavia Nasr – CNN – http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/07/AR2010070704948.html
    2010 – Rick Satchel – CNN – http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/01/cnn.sanchez/
    2011 – Howard Gutman – U.S. ambassador – http://www.salon.com/2011/12/06/an_ambassador_smeared/
    2011 – Patricia McAllister – Los Angeles Unified School District – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/patricia-mcallister-fired_n_1020252.html
    2012 – Sunni Khalid – WYPR-FM – http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/03/26/say-what-npr-managing-news-editor-sunni-khalid-of-wypr-fm-fired-for-anti-semitic-comments-on-facebook
    2013 – Allen West – Pajamas Media – http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/27/allen-west-anti-semitic-slur/
    2013 – Dan Sileo – WQAM – http://thebiglead.com/2013/03/07/dan-sileo-was-fired-because-of-an-anti-semitic-remark/
    2014 – Rev. Bruce M. Shipman – Yale – http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/sentence-chaplains-resignation
    2014 – Steven Salaita – University of Illinois – http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/21/academic-who-lost-teaching-gig-over-anti-semitic-tweets-not-sorry/
    2014 – Diana Magnay- CNN – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696871/CNN-reporter-quickly-deletes-tweet-called-Israelis-cheering-missiles-striking-Gaza-scum.html
    2014 – Ari Roth – Jewish Community Center DC — http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/capitalcomment/local-news/ari-roths-firing-from-theater-j-is-part-of-a-larger-conflict-about-jewish-criticism-of-israel.php
    2015 – Jim Clancy- CNN – http://rt.com/usa/223895-jim-clancy-cnn-leaves/
    Report

  18. JaapBo
    JaapBo
    January 19, 2015, 9:07 am

    The statements in the poll are not good measures of antisemitism. No 1, 4 and 7 are true for Zionists, and maybe no 6 too. Since most Jews are Zionists the statements might as well be true for Jews.
    For non-Zionist Jews I don’t agree with any of the statements.

    • Zionists think they are better than other people:
    After mass murdering 2000+ Palestinians, recently both Netanyahu and Liebermann declared that the IDF is the most moral army in the world

    • Zionists have too much power in the media.
    E.g. the NY Times reports pro-Israel, or read Rabbi elmer Berger’s “Memoires of an Anti-Zionist Jew” or David Hirst’s “The Gun and the Olive Branch” for examples of Zionism preventing honest reporting.

    • Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.
    Support for Israel’s criminal behavior provokes terrorism. This does not only apply to many Jews in Brotain, but to about half of the population.

    • Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.
    Time and again, Zionists protray Jews as victims in the IP-conflict, many times invoking the Holocaust. We should all have learned from the Holocaust that ideologies that exclude people from their country of birth are a recipe for disaster.

  19. Whizdom
    Whizdom
    January 19, 2015, 10:00 am

    Anyone recall the flap when Nigel Farage allied the UKIP movement with a Polish holocaust denier? And some British jews defended him?

    And the new and improved BNP successfully recruited Jews in an attempt to erase its Anti-Semitic reputation?

    And Marine Le Pen doing the same thing in France?

    Apparently, Anti-semitism can be tolerated as long as it is coupled with Anti-Islamism.

  20. Boomer
    Boomer
    January 19, 2015, 10:21 am

    @RoHa:
    “It is rather depressing to see that both Lord Montagu and Sir Isaac present the same sort of objections as those which we post on MW.

    Though their versions are more elegantly expressed, and in better English.”

    Indeed. What’s particularly depressing for me is that I can’t think of a single U.S. political figure, past or present, who has spoken as candidly on the subject, much less as elegantly.

  21. Mooser
    Mooser
    January 19, 2015, 12:34 pm

    Well, where was Lord Montague on St. Cripin’s day? Did he help fill up the breach with English dead? Can he stand a’tip-toe when the day is named? Can he strip his sleeve and show his scars and say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’
    Probably not. And don’t let him tell you different.

    • Whizdom
      Whizdom
      January 19, 2015, 12:46 pm

      Probably not, but not unlikely a distant cousins arranged Henry’s loans, tho

      more Tudor agitprop, lord, I so do miss the Plantagenets.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 19, 2015, 3:57 pm

        “Probably not, but not unlikely a distant cousins arranged Henry’s loans, tho”

        You could continue to lean on anti-semitic stereotypes about Jews and money if you like, Whizdom. But I don’t think it will make you popular.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 19, 2015, 6:09 pm

        Don’t we all?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 19, 2015, 6:46 pm

        Miss the Plantagenets, that is.

  22. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 19, 2015, 1:06 pm

    . Jews have too much power in the media.
    • Jews chase money more than other British people.
    • Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.
    • Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.

    What is so anti-Semitic about those 4 ?

    • Whizdom
      Whizdom
      January 19, 2015, 2:51 pm

      As an experiment, substitute “Ashkenazi” for “Jew”, and give the same poll to Israeli Sephardi and Mizrahi. And the intermarriage one to both. You may find a surprising degree of antisemitism amongst both groups.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 19, 2015, 5:44 pm

      “What is so anti-Semitic about those 4 ?”

      I don’t know if they are anti-Semitic, but I know one thing. They aren’t very nice.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2015, 3:56 pm

        The way to avoid antisemitism, in case you didn’t know, is to make sure everybody has much better reasons to dislike me then the mere fact that I’m Jewish. Give ’em a real beef to grouse about and they’ll forget about all that petty stuff.

      • michelle
        michelle
        January 20, 2015, 4:42 pm

        .
        Isn’t that what ‘Israel’ is/hasbeen doing
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 21, 2015, 5:44 pm

        “Isn’t that what ‘Israel’ is/hasbeen doing”

        It’s those predilections, I guess.

  23. American
    American
    January 19, 2015, 3:15 pm

    ” I believe that Israel needs in Britain a strong, self-confident and independently minded Jewish community. – –Robert Cohen

    For what purpose does Israel need a strong independently minded Jewish community in Britain?

    Do you say because you think that Jewish community should ‘act’ to exert a ‘correcting’ influence/force on Israel’s behavior?
    Would they put their correcting Israel efforts into the UK political arena?
    That is what the Zionist and Israel have done—inserted Israel into other nations government/politics in the name of the Jews of that nation as well as Jews in Israel.

    But where then does this Jews of other nations acting for or trying to ‘perfect or cure Israel end? Or doesnt it ever end? Will they always be in other nations supporting Israel? Will this be more than ’emotional support? Will it be political and financial support as we see now even from those who call themselves liberal zionist because they say they ‘see a need’ for a Jewish state? How long are they going to need it and need it supported by the world–another 70 years?… ..forever? Because Jews need it or want it will it always receive protection and money and from Americans and Germans?

    Every time I look at this I cant help but think of the German maxium….”Principiis obsta and Finem respice’—Resist the beginnings and Consider the end.

    Where is the end of the problem for the Jews and the end of the Israel problem for everyone else?

  24. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    January 19, 2015, 7:08 pm

    David Conn has a piece up which is a far more balanced and rational look at this claim than the hyped and over-inflated hysterical propaganda which the CAA are irresponsibly disseminating, (along with Bibi and his gang of insufferable sycophants).

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/antisemitic-britain-jewish-experience-1930s

    • tree
      tree
      January 20, 2015, 3:14 pm

      Thanks for the link, jwp.

      The Guardian link you posted also links to an evaluation of the polls from the (British) Institute for Jewish Policy Research, which noted:

      unfortunately, the organisation’s survey about antisemitism is littered with flaws, and in the context of a clear need for accurate data on this topic, its work may even be rather irresponsible.

      http://www.jpr.org.uk/newsevents/article.1012

      My take on the survey is that both parts have their flaws, but the survey of British Jewish attitudes is certainly the more flagrantly biased. Besides the unreliability of it due to its self-selected nature, I’d call it an obvious push poll. It consists of a series of 13 statements, to which the respondent is asked to either “strongly agree,
      agree, neither agree nor disagree, disagree or strongly disagree”>

      Here are the 13 statements:

      1. I am concerned that Jews may not have a long-term future in Britain.
      2. I am concerned that Jews may not have a long-term future in Europe.
      3. My family and I are threatened by Islamic extremism in Britain.
      4. Boycotts of businesses selling Israeli products constitute intimidation.
      5. Media bias against Israel fuels persecution of Jews in Britain.
      6. I have witnessed antisemitism that was disguised as a political comment about Israel.
      7. I try not to show visible signs of my Judaism when I go out, like a Magen David or a kippah.
      8. I often avoid mentioning that I’m Jewish when I’m with new people.
      9. In the past two years I have witnessed or experienced more antisemitism than in previous years.
      10. In the past two years I have considered leaving Britain due to antisemitism.
      11. The authorities let too much antisemitism go unpunished.
      12. The Jewish community has to protect itself because the state doesn’t protect it enough.
      13. The recent rise in antisemitism in Britain has some echoes of the 1930s.

      All of the statements support the idea that there is a great deal of anti-semitism in Great Britain. Not one of them is a positive or neutral statement . And three of them conflate criticism or boycott of Israel with anti-semitism. And the 1930’s statement is just off the wall, even if its only talking about 1930’s in Great Britain, of which any British Jew under the age of 90 would have no memory. Add the stacking of the deck with these statements to the self-selected responses and the survey is truly and utterly useless, except as a campaign booster for the CAA, mostly likely its primary intent.

      The YouGov questions are not much more helpful in that all they do is measure people’s stereotypes about Jews, which are not the same as anti-semitism. Without looking into both positive and negative stereotypes its hard to say how much anti-semitism there is.

      Believing that “Jews have too much power in the media” does not necessarily imply that all Jews have this power. Also, even if one stereotypes ALL Jews as having “too much power in the media”, that does not of itself indicate anti-semitism, which I would define as “hatred of Jews merely because they are Jews”. Frankly I think that old white men have too much power in the media as well, but this does not mean that I hate old white men or wish them ill (I have several old white men as friends and relatives whom I love dearly). It just means that I think our media should be more diverse and representative of society as a whole. Without follow up questions, an agreement with the statement can not logically be used as a indicator of anti-semitism.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 20, 2015, 7:46 pm

        “All of the statements support the idea that there is a great deal of anti-semitism in Great Britain.”

        Strictly speaking, tree, agreement with those statements supports the idea that the respondent believes that there is a great deal of anti-semitism in Great Britain.

        The survey give no indication that there is any actual anti-Semitism in GB.

      • tree
        tree
        January 20, 2015, 11:08 pm

        Roha, I think you misunderstood my point, probably because of poor wording on my part. My point was that all 13 statements that the respondents are asked to agree or disagree with are of a negative variety, assuming a level of anti-semitism that does not match reality, rather than the statements being neutral in tone, or being a mix of positive and negative statements. Its a push poll of sorts, used for crass political purposes to gin up fear rather than a real research poll.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 20, 2015, 11:35 pm

        “Its a push poll of sorts, used for crass political purposes to gin up fear rather than a real research poll. ”

        I take that point, and totally agree.

        I’m just noting that, even with neutral or positive and negative statements, such a poll would tell us nothing about the actual incidence of anti-Semitism in Britain.

      • tree
        tree
        January 21, 2015, 4:32 pm

        I agree totally.

  25. eGuard
    eGuard
    January 20, 2015, 1:00 am

    A disgusting hijacking of the #JeSuis hashtag.

    • John O
      John O
      January 20, 2015, 12:17 pm

      Are you referring to the poor French grammar therein?

  26. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 20, 2015, 8:04 am

    If you change the Jews to Zionists it’s a reasonable fit

    ” Jews have too much power in the media. “•

    Given their size in terms of the population I think this is a fair point . look at the NYT

    Jews chase money more than other British people.

    Not fair to single out Jews ahead of Oxbridge grads, Gujuratis and Chinese origin but also fact based

    • Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people. •
    This is also based in fact for Zionists

    Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.

    Defo for Zionists

  27. Rodneywatts
    Rodneywatts
    January 21, 2015, 11:13 am

    Thank you Robert for this excellent and timely posting. I am later in commenting than I wanted as , though fundamentally an optimist, I needed to check to see if we are both too optimistic with regard to the UK. We both live in the North of England though separated by the River Tees and in our immediate communities there is nothing that equates with real anti-semitism. Until a few years ago I used to visit the Jewish part of Gateshead to do business with a Jewish gentleman who had his office there, and in the light of the high profile attack on a rabbi outside a school by 4 youths I was not surprised by the CAA findings for the North of England. The latter especially because of the undoubted bias introduced by polling selected congregations such as the notably orthodox community in Gateshead.

    There have already been many valid comments made about the problems of using stats from polls and you referred to the differences noted in the Jewish Chronicle poll from the CAA polls. Your article here does not link to the JC like in your original blog so I include it here:

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/128162/jc-poll-reveals-88-cent–british-jews-have-not-considered-leaving-uk

    What may well be of interest to MW readers is the claim by a noted British Jewish sociologist Dr Keith Kahn-Harris that the CAA results were not valid. Dr Kahn-Harris is the author of a book published last year called ‘Uncivil War: The Israel Conflict on the Jewish Community’ I have not read it yet but ‘civility’ is a word that readers have read often in connection with academic expectations and the reason Stephen Salaita got fired. My understanding is that the book includes observations on American communities as well as British.

    A point already made about CAA and ADL and important is that their focus is on the symptoms of anti-semitism rather than the causes. When I looked up the CAA website the other day I was presented with a video of our Home Secretary, Theresa May, at an anti-semitism gathering, spouting the usual stuff about stamping out anti-semtism with the full force of the law. Of course, as one of those activists, including Jews, in the 1960’s who helped bring in the first (imperfect) Race Relations Act 1965 I am for having good law but using it WHEN NECESSARY.

    Comments have already been made on the convenient conflation by CAA and zionist organisations of anti Israel (government) sentiments with anti-semitism. The latest involves the anti Israel and Netanyahu/Paris Solidarity tweets by David Ward, MP, (Lib.Dem Bradford East) (just google David Ward MP). So badly were these taken by the Israel government/Bibi that Ambassador Daniel Taub wrote an online letter, via twitter, asking that Nick Clegg deal severely with David Ward. (memories of Stephen Salaita?) It appears that this time Nick Clegg has not bent to Israeli pressure except for a few relatively mild rebukes from the party. The truth is that Netanyahu was making political gestures as usual, that genuinely riled David Ward, and yes his constituency contains a significant number of Moslems, where an election comes up soon. However, I have not found any evidence of antisemitism — indeed to the contrary, a short time ago, he was supporting and visiting an Anne Frank exhibition.

    For MW readers Bradford is not that far from where Robert lives and some links:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/14/israel-protests-nick-clegg-netanyahu-tweet–david-ward

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lid-dem-mp-david-ward-4974335

    • Bandolero
      Bandolero
      January 22, 2015, 1:47 am

      @Rodneywatts
      Do you really think that Netanyahu’s political gestures “genuinely riled” David Ward?

      To me it looks more like Bradford-East MP David Ward just suddenly developed a critical stance on Israel and sympathy for Palestinians after the shock of seeing George Gallaway while campaigning for Palestine win the by-elections 2012 in Bradford-West by a huge margin.

      Bradford-West seems to be a bit more Muslim than Bradford-East, but in the tendencies the constituencies seem to be quite similar.

      2001 Census Demographics for Bradford West: … Muslim: 38% …

      http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/bradfordwest/

      Respect George Gallaway won the 2012 by-election in Bradford West with 55.9%, against 25% for Labour, 8.4% for Conservatives, and 4.6% for the LibDem candidate.

      2001 Census Demographics for Bradford East: … Muslim: 24.3% …

      http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/bradfordeast/

      LibDem David Ward won the 2010 election with 33.7%, against 32.8% for Labour and 26.8% for the Conservatives candidate.

      While I cannot say anything about what David Ward genuinely thinks, to me it looks like David Ward is just very afraid that Respect will win Bradford East in 2015 with a campaign for Palestine, too.

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts
        January 22, 2015, 6:37 am

        Hello Bandolero! Of course your comments about the political realities in Bradford are possibly true and certainly pertinent. My comments were made with the main focus on antisemitism and its conflation with anti-Israel sentiments by zionists, which in David Ward’s case led to the letter by the Israel Ambassador to Nick Clegg.

        David Ward, it must be said already has considerable pro-palestinian ‘form’ and comments made several years ago led to him having the lib-dem whip removed for a number of months because of offence caused to zionists. What would bother me as an ex lib-dem activist going back to SA anti-apartheid days (and now reappeared again with Israel) is if David were actually antisemitic or more specifically anti -Jew. This I really do not believe.

        You are obviously interested in politics and I think for both of us there is no reasonable prediction of results in May. I cannot ever remember anything like now, but I live in hope that whatever government turns up, it will stand for justice and security in I/P.

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        January 22, 2015, 1:52 pm

        Hello Rodney

        thanks for your reply. I’m just looking from far on Britain.

        Let’s hope this years election in UK will continue the trend for the better after the earthquakes of the Galloway election and the defeat of the Zionist war lobby when the parliament voted down bombing Syria 2013. I’m surely hopeful that the election in May might become another big defeat for the zionist war lobby in Britain.

  28. Rodneywatts
    Rodneywatts
    January 21, 2015, 11:59 am

    Also should have added above that I have not yet seen any zionist/Israeli reference to the fact that a number of Jewish shoppers in the Paris supermarket where the killings occured were saved in the coldroom by a humble Moslem immigrant, Lassana Bathily. There is a petition running on change .org currently asking for an award of the Legion d’honneur as well as the citizenship already granted.

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