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We’ve dropped the ball on this for a week, but it’s still important, Gideon Levy’s column in Haaretz last Sunday saying that it would be better for everyone if Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud coalition is reelected because if the “Zionist camp” of Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni win (Labor and Hatnua), the world will take the pressure off Israel in the belief that there’s been change. But there will be no change, Herzog will maintain the occupation through years of more pointless peace talks. Better that Netanyahu stay in the hot seat and Europe imposes sanctions.

Many folks have sent this column along. As Jerome Slater wrote, “Levy is not only amazingly courageous, honest, and principled: he’s almost never wrong.”

Below are excerpts of Levy’s column, “A Labor win will only entrench the occupation.” He begins by agreeing that Zionist Camp is a nicer face than Likud because it “doesn’t have people with nationalist and racist views inciting and agitating.” But.

Now let’s assume Zionist Camp wins. Jubilation; Netanyahu will be ousted and a new day will dawn in Israel with a Herzog-Livni government. Actually, the first and most dramatic change will come from abroad — a global sigh of relief.

Not a statesman around the world will be sorry to see Netanyahu go, other than maybe Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah and Khaled Meshal of Hamas. All will be pleased with the victory of the “moderates.” The world will applaud, Herzog will be invited to Washington and Livni to London — and vice versa.

And soon, as promised, the “diplomatic process,” not to say the “peace process,” will begin. Herzog will meet with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Livni with Palestinian leader Ahmed Qurei in a series of moving photo-ops. The cheering around the world will grow louder.

This change will be happening just as it appears the world has had its fill of Israeli policy, of Israel thumbing its nose at international law, the United States and the across-the-board opposition around the world to a continuation of the occupation.

And just when it appears that sanctions against Israel — the only nonviolent way to push the country to leave the territories — are about to be introduced — then of all times Israel will be applauded. There will be no prospect of action at The Hague or at the UN Security Council, no pressure and no punishment. Quiet, they’re talking — those sacred negotiations are in progress.

Those negotiations will, of course, go on endlessly unless this time Abbas refuses to lend a hand to the farce. Herzog has already announced that he will devote five (!) years to negotiations that could be wrapped up in five weeks. In other words, Herzog has no intention of reaching an agreement. Over those five years, the world won’t put on pressure; the two sides are talking.

The occupation will become even more entrenched. Herzog has said his government will continue to build in the “settlement blocs.” And the last chance for a two-state solution — if it still exists — will be squandered. Herzog and Livni will delude the world and perhaps the Palestinians too. Those two will never achieve a just agreement.

This scenario need not surprise anyone. Herzog is at the helm of Israel’s party of occupation. The Labor Party is the founding mother of the settlement enterprise; it never considered stopping it.

Its historical responsibility for the occupation is greater than Likud’s. The Labor troika of Golda Meir, Yisrael Galili and Moshe Dayan founded it, Shimon Peres continued it, and Herzog will go down the same path.

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  1. MRW
    MRW
    February 8, 2015, 10:32 am

    Levy must be reading this blog, because several people here have been saying the same thing for weeks.

    • CloakAndDagger
      CloakAndDagger
      February 8, 2015, 10:54 am

      Indeed. That continues to be my position that Netanyahu should be (and probably will be) re-elected. A less in-your-face replacement would slow the inevitable unshackling of our government.

      • The Dirty Democrat
        The Dirty Democrat
        February 9, 2015, 11:56 pm

        Cloak the destruction of the Likud Party would be a very good thing, doncha think? Might look decent again.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      February 8, 2015, 11:27 am

      Levy is mostly correct except for the bizarre statement that the Zionist “left” don’t have agitators. Really, now?

      Even Tzipi “I demanded that Israel acted like hooligans in Gaza during Cast Lead” Livni?

    • American
      American
      February 8, 2015, 12:28 pm

      Ditto. me too.
      Netanyahu should stay in place—no more re starts or re dos for israel.

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      February 9, 2015, 6:53 am

      Greetings Gidean Levy,
      Kudos, but don’t mention your name when visiting illegal squatter settlements.
      ziusudra
      PS Glad to hear that Haaretz allows such comments.

  2. MRW
    MRW
    February 8, 2015, 10:39 am

    As Jerome Slater wrote, “Levy is not only amazingly courageous, honest, and principled: he’s almost never wrong.”

    He also gets published, which is how you hear his thoughts to begin with. There are a lot of “amazingly courageous, honest, and principled” people on this side of the pond, but the hoi polloi don’t hear or read them because pro-Israel media forces make sure they aren’t heard or read.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      February 8, 2015, 11:26 am

      Good point. On the other hand, how many people on this side of the pond need fucking bodyguards because of what they write?

      I think you’re underestimating the extreme fascism, even neo-Nazism, that is currently enthralling Israel. To be a dissident is not just a social inconvenience, it can literally be physically lethal for you.

      • MRW
        MRW
        February 8, 2015, 3:13 pm

        Is that what’s next here after getting your career destroyed, losing your income, and finally your reputation and good name?

        (What happened to Helen Thomas after a brilliant 60-year career still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The only high-visibility Jew that I remember coming to her defense was—it was vague at best—was Keith Olbermann while he still had a MSNBC show. Hell, this blog was started because of what Ivanka’s hubby did to Phil.)

      • February 8, 2015, 5:24 pm

        What happened to Helen Thomas after a brilliant 60-year career still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The only high-visibility Jew that I remember coming to her defense was—it was vague at best—was Keith Olbermann while he still had a MSNBC show –

        Even more stark given Olbermann is not Jewish.

      • MRW
        MRW
        February 8, 2015, 5:37 pm

        Giles, he isn’t? I thought he said he was.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 9, 2015, 12:16 am

        “Hell, this blog was started because of what Ivanka’s hubby did to Phil.”

        What did he do?

      • MRW
        MRW
        February 12, 2015, 3:59 pm

        @Walid,

        Fired him for not being sufficiently solicitous to Zionism. Accused him of being anti-semitic. Tarred him and took his income away.

  3. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    February 8, 2015, 11:16 am

    It is clear to anyone who wants to see the facts and the truth: the zionist entity and ALL its parties have the SAME GOAL – keep israel from sea to sea. The ONLY difference is the way they go about it. At least Nutnyahoo is honest and says it. Herzog/Livni are hypocrites. Don’t forget, they call themselves the zionist party. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

    The truth and the facts are there to be seen. Nutnyhaoo must win and will win. He will win because most zionists have become drunken with the occupation mirage thinking they can have the cake and eat it too (“manage the occupation”), they have become arrogant and supremacists racists wanting to rule over “inferior Palestinian Arab animals”.

    This will boomerang. The thunderbolt is long in the making. 1S1P1V – freedom, justice, liberty, equality, human rights, civil rights, respect, and dignity for each human being regardless to religion, race, or national origin.

    That’s why it’s 1S1P1V or war and death.

    God bless all Palestinians. God bless Palestine.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      February 8, 2015, 12:49 pm

      You’ve got that right! I never thought Netanyahu would be good for anything but his winning the election will guarantee pressure will stay on the GoI and increase and he may find himself on the docket at the Hague, maybe with Livni, Bennett, Feiglin, et al, to keep him company!

      (I thought Livni was afraid to travel abroad for fear of being arrested?)

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 9, 2015, 8:38 am

      || Ramzi Jaber: … The truth and the facts are there to be seen. Nutnyhaoo must win and will win. He will win because most zionists have become drunken with the occupation mirage … they have become arrogant and supremacists racists wanting to rule over “inferior Palestinian Arab animals”. This will boomerang. ||

      And that’s why Zio-supremacists like JeffB are working overtime to conflate Israel and Zionism with Jews everywhere, and anti-Semitically insisting that all Jews are responsible for the crimes of Zio-supremacists and Israel.

      When the blowback hits, they want to be able to save themselves and let non-Zionist Jews take the fall for their past and on-going (war) crimes: “That one over there – he’s a Jew! He’s the one you want! Get him!!”

  4. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    February 8, 2015, 11:40 am

    RAMZI +1

  5. amigo
    amigo
    February 8, 2015, 12:08 pm

    Some questions arise if “The Zionist Party ” are elected.

    1, Will they arrest and try Illegal settler terrorists who attack Palestinians and cut down Olive trees and burn crops with the same verve they pursue Palestinians.

    2, Will they arrest Israeli Jews who roam the streets of Israel attacking Palestinians and shouting , “Death To Arabs”. Will they work to curtail this incitement.

    3, Will they cancel the Prawer Plan and end the practice of re locating Arab citizens of Israel to build Jews only communities in those areas .

    4, Will they end the practice of raiding West Bank homes at 2 am and arresting/torturing Palestinian teens and dragging them off to Jail to be incarcerated for months without a trial.

    5, Will they end the practice of refusing to grant building permits for Palestinian Israeli citizens.

    6, Will they end the destruction of Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem to make way for Jews only housing.

    7, Will they end the practice of beating/shooting peaceful protesters in the West Bank and Israel proper.

    8, Will they end the attempts to influence American Foreign Policy and insulting the Leaders of other Nations.

    9, Will , they continue the program of keeping the People of Gaza on a diet and preventing them from rebuilding their lives and infrastructure.

    10, Will they end the practice of spraying Skunk Juice on Palestinians homes and schools.

    Just a few questions one might ask.

    Livni is a war criminal and is no different from her counterparts except she is less vocal about her true intentions , which are of course to create the so called “Greater Israel” , that is Arab frei.

    I for one am not fooled by these fake peace seekers.Just take a look at some of Herzogs comments about Palestinians and you will see this particular leopard has no intentions of changing his spots.Hopefully , the Worlds leaders are smart enough to see what any person with eyes can see clearly.Truth is you do not need sight to understand Israel,s goals.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      February 8, 2015, 12:53 pm

      Exactly – what can anybody expect from a party calling itself “The Zionist Party”? It may as well be called “Apartheid Forever”, it generates no kumbaya vibe (more like Darth Vader’s theme music).

  6. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    February 8, 2015, 12:12 pm

    As if to emphasize what Levy is saying we get word (via 972mag) that Isaac (don’t call me Booje!) Herzog is asking that Hanan Zoabi (aka the most hated Arab in Israel) be banned from the united Arab list for advocating terra. Seems Labor is slipping in the polls and has decided to go after disgruntled right wing voters.

    There is not one wit of difference between them.

    • annie
      annie
      February 8, 2015, 12:55 pm

      they love throwing red meat into the discourse. the masses are getting restless.

  7. Cliff
    Cliff
    February 8, 2015, 12:55 pm

    Levy is absolutely right.

    Things have to get worse before they ever get better.

    It’s a shame that its always worse for the Palestinians, but no one is going to give a shit until things have become so bad that they can take off their antisemitism/holocaust industry blinders and see Jews as human beings like the rest of us – capable of outright evil actions and not just eternally victims.

  8. February 8, 2015, 1:10 pm

    Netanyahu being re-elected is no different than his speech to Congress going forward — the more Netanyahu, the better.

  9. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    February 8, 2015, 1:22 pm

    I disagree with those who pine for more Netanyahu. The Prime Minister has Mossad and AIPAC under his control, and Netanyahu is hell bent on igniting the clash of civilizations that will engage so much of Asia and Africa in war that a few more episodes of ethnic cleansing of what the Israelis claim as their land will hardly be noticed. Risk of contagious war will continue to escalate under Netanyahu, unless and until his leadership is rebuked.

    I think the view that Livni will just resume a more peaceful sounding version of expanding the settlements, and the rest of the world will cease to notice, underestimates the capability of the American and European peoples to awake from their stupor and take the right side of history, forcing Israel to make peace.

    The school of opinion has been forming now for years. Clean up Zionism’s mess now, rather than years from now, when it will be much larger.

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 9, 2015, 1:01 am

      I agree with David on this one. Netanyahoo is a master at pulling the wool over America’s eyes and a victory for him would only prolong the agony and the systematic dispossession of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have reached a point of no return and win by an even more rabbid snake like Livni or other nutjobs running against Netanyahu would throw the anti-Israel movement into overdrive and speed up the end of the evil Zionist enterprise.

      • Donald
        Donald
        February 9, 2015, 3:41 pm

        “Netanyahoo is a master at pulling the wool over America’s eyes ”

        I usually agree with your comments, but this is way off. Netanyahu is the idiot who is so inept he might actually drive a wedge between Democrats and Republicans on Israel and Iran. Liberal Zionists are much better at keeping that beloved bipartisan support for Israel that they want so much to see. This is why the liberal Zionist groups are so upset by Netanyahu’s proposed speech.

        When I see liberal Zionists defending Israel at other places online (like in comments after NYT articles) they commonly say that they support Israel but are disgusted by Netanyahu. He’s the kind of person that any sane individual wants to see on the other side of an issue.

        That said, David does have a partial point. Netanyahu does want to drive us into war with Iran and repulsive as he is, he might still be able to do it. Where I disagree is about Livni. I think there are a lot of people in the US (can’t speak with much knowledge about Europe) who would love to have a liberal Zionist back in charge, making the right noises about the peace process, so they could side wholeheartedly with Israel as they try to shove some inadequate peace proposal down the throats of the Palestinians. Then they will put all the blame on the Palestinians if they refuse the proposal. This has happened more than once.

      • DaveS
        DaveS
        February 9, 2015, 6:10 pm

        As usual, Donald makes a lot of sense. Three quick things I would add. First, Netanyahu’s probable election victory will make him happy, and that is one reason to root against it, though kind of a weak one.

        Second, I sort of feel like a baseball fan deciding who to root for in a game between two teams I care nothing about, trying to figure out which outcome would best benefit my favorite team’s chances of getting into the post-season. This is a real dilemma for many fans, but obviously their ultimate choice is meaningless because it will not affect the game anyway. Still, Levy’s analysis is well worth considering, even if our individual preferences are inconsequential.

        Finally, I usually am unsympathetic to arguments similar to Levy’s. The granddaddy of all is the German Communists of the 1930’s who welcomed Hitler’s election on the theory that after the German people became disgusted with him, they would turn all the way to the left. That did not go so well. But here, Levy is right. Netanyahu, miserable and evil as he is, probably does not make life any worse for Palestinians than any of the other candidates would, and whatever marginal difference there might be in that, this situation will not be resolved without massive world-wide pressure on Israel. Netanyahu has shown himself “admirably” capable of inspiring the required outrage (even pissing off some in the US Congress – no mean feat for an Israeli PM), while more “liberal” alternative victors would no doubt be given a great deal of leeway and an extended opportunity to engage in delaying, unsuccessful “negotiations.” A Netanyahu defeat will probably postpone any ultimate redemption of Palestinian rights without providing any significant measure of relief for their short-term misery. As for Iran, I don’t think it will make a difference. I don’t think any Israeli PM will start a war with Iran or prompt the US to do so, regardless of the insanity of their rhetoric in that regard. I think they use the Iranian “existential threat” to distract attention from pressure on the Palestinian issue. “How can we negotiate with Palestinian terrorists while Iranian terrorists are threatening to nuke us?!?!?!”

        Rooting for Netanyahu – who would have guessed!

  10. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    February 8, 2015, 2:19 pm

    “if the “Zionist camp” of Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni win (Labor and Hatnua), the world will take the pressure off Israel in the belief that there’s been change. But there will be no change,”

    This is true- when Bush lost to Obama, the large protest movements against the wars in the Mideast declined in scale quickly. There would be more pressure by liberals if a president like Bush were in office.

    In any case, the larger point is probably that Herzog and Livni are not coming into office, and so it’s simply unrealistic to ttalk about it like it’s a real possibility.

    I expect that a Livni presidency there could be better than Netanyahu’s. There would be fewer abuses. And yes, liberals would pay less attention. but anyway, it isn’t going to happen because Israelis are very steadily becoming more and more right wing with each generation, which is another major point.

    With each generation of US southerners growing up with slavery in place, that system deepened in them racist ideas that would be weaker if they were in non-slave states or countries, like Canada. Likewise, the Israeli political system that oversees millions of occupied Palestinians relies on people there to have very right wing beliefs, and the reality of occupation reinforces those beliefs.

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      February 8, 2015, 5:10 pm

      Great comment/analogy, W.Jones.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        February 8, 2015, 5:39 pm

        Thanks.

        The main point is that Livni/Herzog will not come into power because Israelis are getting steadily and unceasingly more right wing.

        Yes, liberal Zionists pin their hopes on a Livni presidency whereby she would make a deal with Palestinians to end the official occupation and make improvements. Sure, it would be better even if it didn’t let the refugees come home. And you could debate strategically whether it’s better to have Netanyahu who makes Israeli dispossession of Palestinians look bad or Livni who could make dispossession of Palestinians look more acceptable.

        However, even debating the question is pointless, because Livni and Herzog won’t be elected because the liberal Zionist electoral base there is not just a minority, but a very steadily shrinking minority. Netanyahu’s “job”, as assigned to him by the “parents” (US donors)in his latest campaign advertisement is to “babysit” and make sure the hardcore right wingers don’t get out of hand there while also pursuing a Neocon strategy.

        The reality is not just that Netanyahu will win, but in the decades ahead Israelis and their electorate will get even more hardcore right wing. What we are seeing now in the Congress with Netanyahu’s conflict with Obama and some dems on Iran will eventually become more and more open. Netanyahu is making the speech to please his electorate. In turn that means that you need to understand where the electorate is going, because they are also a major factor.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        February 8, 2015, 5:52 pm

        The latest election is a sideshow and if anything it pushes Netanyahu to the right to appease his electorate. That’s why he is planning to make the speech in DC. If his electorate was liberal or there was no election now, he would not be making the anti-Iran speech there right now. I doubt that BN really needs some more Iran sanctions right now. After all, how do the proposed sanctions stop Iran from getting nukes? Rather, the point of pushing the sanctions right now in such an open way is much more likely related to the timing of his own election.

        So one of the driving forces behind the speech is probably not just Netanyahu, but Israelis themselves. That puts the rub on liberal “pro-Israelis’ ” simplification that Netanyahu is the problem, that Israeli society wants the right things, it’s just a matter of Livni winning, etc.

  11. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    February 8, 2015, 3:54 pm

    RE: “We’ve dropped the ball* on this for a week, but it’s still important, Gideon Levy’s column in Haaretz last Sunday saying that it would be better for everyone if Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud coalition is reelected because if the “Zionist camp” of Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni win (Labor and Hatnua), the world will take the pressure off Israel in the belief that there’s been change. But there will be no change,” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: I’m pulling for Benjamin Netanyahu to be reelected because the last time he addressed the U.S. Congress he said that he is willing to make “painful concessions” in order to achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Certainly he would not have lied to the U.S. Congress. Not to the U.S. Congress! ! !

    “Netanyahu: Israel Ready To Make Painful Concessions; Palestinians Must, Too”, NPR, May 24, 2011 – http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/06/01/136610951/u-s-israel-relations-in-spotlight-as-netanyahu-addresses-congress

    “Bibi’s hand is ‘outstretched’, alright”, by Larry Derfner, 972mag.com, October 11, 2011 – http://972mag.com/bibis-hand-is-outstretched-alright/24964/

    What ‘painful concessions’ are left for Palestinians to make? ~ By Willem Aldershoff and Jaap Hamburger, +972 Blog, March 6, 2014 – http://972mag.com/what-painful-concessions-are-left-for-palestinians-to-make/87981/

    * P.S. The mainsteam/corporate media is desperate to know whether the ball you guys dropped was properly inflated! They are literally obsessing over it.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      February 8, 2015, 4:15 pm

      P.P.S. RE: “[T]he last time he [Netanyahu] addressed the U.S. Congress he said that he is willing to make “painful concessions” in order to achieve a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Certainly he would not have lied to the U.S. Congress. Not to the U.S. Congress! ! !” ~ me (from above)

      SEE: “Inside the talks’ failure: US officials open up”, By Nahum Barnea, YnetNews.com, May 2, 2014
      In an exclusive interview, American officials directly connected to the talks reveal the real reason for the collapse of the negotiations.

      [EXCERPT] The American version of why the current round of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians failed is fundamentally different to the one presented by Israeli officials. The list of those to blame for this failure is also very different. From the US perspective, the issue of the settlements was largely to blame.

      Senior American officials involved in Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace push this week agreed to share with me their take on the talks’ failure.

      They had one condition, in line with instructions they had received – that I didn’t name them. But what they told me is the closest thing to an official American version of what happened…

      . . . Using advanced software, the Americans drew a border outline in the West Bank that gives Israel sovereignty over some 80 percent of the settlers that live there today. The remaining 20 percent were meant to evacuate. In Jerusalem, the proposed border is based on Bill Clinton’s plan – Jewish neighborhoods to Israel, Arab neighborhoods to the Palestinians.

      The Israeli government made no response to the American plan, and avoided drawing its own border outline. . .

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4515821,00.html

  12. MRW
    MRW
    February 8, 2015, 3:59 pm

    Iran’s secret weapon: Netanyahu, prime minister of Israel
    The prime minister insists he must speak to Congress to stop a nuclear deal with Iran, but he’s actually sabotaging Israel’s most precious asset.
    By Barak Ravid | Feb. 8, 2015 | 3:55 AM
    http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.641327

    Read. A taste:

    Shapiro told them of the White House’s fury at the trick Netanyahu cooked up with the Republican Party leadership; of the U.S. administration’s total loss of faith in Israeli Ambassador to Washington Ron Dermer; and of the grave impact this would have on relations between the Obama Administration and a future Netanyahu government. “Ultimately, this will have a price,” a source briefed on the meeting quoted Shapiro as saying.

    And it’s not just the White House. Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein, who visited Capitol Hill last week, was stunned by the depth of the anger he found. He met with Democratic congressmen who are sworn friends of Israel, but now feel betrayed by Israel’s prime minister. “I’ve never encountered such tension, even when I came a few years ago to talk with congressmen about freeing” Jonathan Pollard, Edelstein said.

    This is the comic campaign that is referred to in the article. Starts out with Netanyahu talking to Obama. As the article says, Netanyahu made have already had his last phone call with Obama.
    https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/564462673794830338

  13. Kay24
    Kay24
    February 8, 2015, 6:46 pm

    Anyone who is elected as the next PM of Israel, will not make a difference for the Palestinians.
    Their suffering will continue, they will be kept in their open prisons, have their lands stolen, and occasionally have their homes blasted by Israeli bombs, whenever it suits that leader. Damn all those who will continue their zionist policies.

  14. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    February 8, 2015, 7:03 pm

    Herzog Livni will not win and therefore Gideon Levy’s prediction will not be tested.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 8, 2015, 8:18 pm

      “Herzog Livni will not win and therefore Gideon Levy’s prediction will not be tested.”

      What about his predictions concerning Netanyahoo: “it would be better for everyone if Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud coalition is reelected” ?(as phrased in the article)

  15. talknic
    talknic
    February 8, 2015, 9:22 pm

    The Zionist Movement was the initiator of the call for the colonization of Palestine and a major player in the declaration of the State of Israel.

    One would have to be rather naive to believe that the same people who invited Arab citizens to stay were not aware of their own Plan Dalet which was at the same time dispossessing most non-Jewish citizens from Israel

    Read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel very care fully

    “The state of Israel … will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel
    and read
    Deuteronomy 20:15
    and read
    Israel’s 31st August 1949 (failed) claim to territories that did not belong to the nearby nations and Israel’s subsequent illegal actions on being rebuffed by the Conciliation Commission … ignoring International Law, the UN Charter, relevant conventions, hundreds of UNSC resolutions, not respecting the ” sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force”

    When the promised and legally required Israeli constitution has been written and a government legally elected for the first time under that constitution, there might then be a chance for peace with Israel. Until then or until such time as an International Peace keeping force is imposed on the situation, expect the carnage and theft to continue regardless of which Israeli political party is in power

  16. dbroncos
    dbroncos
    February 8, 2015, 11:13 pm

    Off topic but here’s a rich joke (not) about how Israeli presumptions to steal land ifrom neighbors and smear the rightful landowners as anti Semites has reached the tiny town of Gardner, Colorado. See link to Denver Post below.

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27483309/desert-retreat-leads-ugly-land-battle

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 9, 2015, 12:52 am

      Could you imagine what it would be like if the gun-toting settlers were made to abandon their settlements and return home to the US?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 9, 2015, 1:51 am

        “The land, he thought, would be the perfect home for a retreat where Orthodox Israelis could come to meditate.”

        They can’t do that in Israel? And would Orthodox want to meditate with Hindu swami?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 9, 2015, 2:41 pm

        “And would Orthodox want to meditate with Hindu swami?”

        Why, everybody knows how we love our Swamis!

        BTW he was born Asa Yoelson on May 26, 1886, in Russia .

  17. Steve Macklevore
    Steve Macklevore
    February 9, 2015, 3:51 am

    Levy’s argument is horribly plausible.

  18. Bornajoo
    Bornajoo
    February 9, 2015, 10:58 am

    I fully agree with Gideon Levy. I think his analysis is spot on. The so called Zionist camp will put the internationally acceptable face of zionism back on display and the USA and the rest of the international community will no longer have to condemn israel. they can all go back to business as usual and breathe a long sigh of relief. The peace process will be back and another 20 years of Oslo Shmoslo can start all over again. It will be another long drawn out period of a peace deal just around the corner which will never ever happen.

    Israel’s continuing loss of support under Netanyahu and his right wing cronies has been significant in recent years and I believe this loss of support will grow exponentially if he is reelected

    But not much chance of the opposition winning in any case.

    • just
      just
      February 9, 2015, 11:25 am

      “Oslo Shmoslo” ~ lol!

      ;-( Perish the thought. I think that both you and Gideon are correct, Bornajoo.

  19. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    February 9, 2015, 9:59 pm

    Livni is the psychological twin of Netanyahu floating in the same old soup.
    She was right there with Rice and Olmert following the same slow jamming of the process

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/05/03/the-livni-rice-plan-for-the-middle-east/

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