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It was another difficult week for Israel.

In Britain, 700 artists, including many household names, pledged a cultural boycott of Israel, and a leader of the Board of Deputies, the representative body of UK Jews, quit, saying he could no longer abide by its ban on criticising Israel.

Across the Atlantic, the student body of one of the most prestigious US universities, Stanford, voted to withdraw investments from companies implicated in Israel’s occupation, giving a significant boost to the growing international boycott (BDS) movement.

Meanwhile, a CNN poll found that two-thirds of Americans, and three-quarters of those under 50, believed the US foreign policy should be neutral between Israel and Palestine.

This drip-drip of bad news, as American and European popular opinion shifts against Israel, is gradually changing the west’s political culture and forcing Israel to rethink its historic alliances.

The deterioration in relations between Israel and the White House is now impossible to dismiss, as Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Barack Obama lock horns, this time over negotiations with Iran.

The US was reported last week to be refusing to share with Israel sensitive information on the talks, fearful it will be misused. A senior Israeli official described it as like being evicted from the “deluxe guest suite” in Washington. “Astonishing doesn’t begin to describe it,” he said.

The fall-out is spreading to the US Congress, where for the first time Israel is becoming a partisan issue. A growing number of Democrats have declared they will boycott Netanyahu’s address to the Congress next month, when he is expected to try to undermine the Iran talks.

Things are more precarious still in Europe. Several leading parliaments have called on their governments to recognise Palestinian statehood, and France rocked Israel by backing just such a resolution recently in the UN Security Council.

Europe has also begun punishing Israel for its intransigence towards the Palestinians. It is labelling settlement products and is expected to start demanding compensation for its projects in the occupied territories the Israeli army destroys.

This month 63 members of the European Parliament went further, urging the European Union to suspend its “association agreement”, which allows Israel unrestricted trade and access to special funding.

None of this has gone unnoticed in Israel. A classified report by the foreign ministry leaked last month paints a dark future. It concludes that western support for the Palestinians will increase, the threat of European sanctions will grow, and the US might even refuse to “protect Israel with its veto” at the UN.

Israel is particularly concerned about the economic impact, given that Europe is its largest trading partner. Serious sanctions could ravage the economy.

One might assume that, faced with these drastic calculations, Israel would reconsider its obstructive approach to peace negotiations and Palestinian statehood. Not a bit of it.

Netanyahu’s officials blame the crisis with Washington on Obama, implying that they will wait out his presidency for better times to return.

As for Europe, Netanyahu blames the shift there on what he calls “Islamisation”, suggesting that Europe’s growing Muslim population is holding the region’s politicians to ransom. On this view, the price paid for the recent terror attacks in Paris and Copenhagen is Europe’s support for Israel.

Instead, Netanyahu has begun looking elsewhere for economic – and ultimately political – patrons.

In doing so, he is returning to an early Israeli tradition. The state’s founders were inspired by the collectivist ideals of the Soviet Union, not US individualism. And in return for attacking Egypt in 1956, Israel was secretly helped by Britain and France to build nuclear weapons over stiff US opposition.

In response to recent developments, Netanyahu announced last month that he was courting trade with China, India and Japan – comprising nearly 40 per cent of the planet’s population.

Last year, for the first time, Israel did more trade with these Asian giants than with the US. Much of it focused on the burgeoning arms market, with Israel supplying nearly $4 billion worth of weapons in 2013. A region once implacably hostile to Israel is throwing open its doors.

India, plagued by border tensions with Pakistan and China, is now Israel’s largest arms purchaser – and such trade is expected to expand further following the election last year of Narendra Modi, known for his anti-Muslim views.

He has lifted the veil off India’s growing defence cooperation with Israel, one reason why Moshe Yaalon last week became the first Israeli defence minister to make an official visit.

Ties between Israel and China are deepening rapidly too. Beijing has become Israel’s third largest trading partner, while Israel is China’s second biggest supplier of military technology after Russia.

Last month the two signed a three-year cooperation plan, with China keen to exploit – in addition to Israel’s military hardware – its innovations on solar energy, irrigation and desalination.

Emmanuel Navon, an international relations expert at Tel Aviv University, claims that, despite its poor public image, Israel now enjoys a “global clout” unprecedented in its history.

Israel’s immediate goal is to future-proof itself economically against mounting popular pressure in Europe and the US to act in favour of the Palestinian cause.

But longer term Israel hopes to convert Chinese and Indian dependency on Israeli armaments – based on technology it tests and refines on a captive Palestinian population – into diplomatic cover. One day Israel may be relying on a Chinese veto at the UN, not a US one.

A version of this article first appeared in the National, Abu Dhabi.

Jonathan Cook
About Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His new website is jonathan-cook.net.

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  1. just
    just
    February 24, 2015, 9:50 am

    Thanks, Jonathan, for this excellent reporting and assessment of the current state of affairs.

    This does not bode well for the planet. It’s sad, though not surprising, that India, China and Japan are taking advantage of the situation. Goodness knows that it’s taken decades for the western populations to get a clue.

    • weiss
      weiss
      February 24, 2015, 12:23 pm

      So true…

      India and Israel make a great couple:

      BOTH have Nuclear Weapons and REFUSE to join the NPT – Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty to avoid IAEA inspections.

      The only 2 other nuclear states who refuse to sign the NPT are North Korea and Pakistan.

      Does Israel feel comfortable being in the SAME company as NORTH KOREA???

      • Krauss
        Krauss
        February 24, 2015, 3:49 pm

        India is a country that has pushed the doctrine of realpolitik possibly further than any other nation on Earth. They essentially have no enemies except Pakistan.

        They have managed the feat of staying on the good side of America, Europe, Russia, China and most of the Islamic world. India’s diplomatic skills are often overlooked. It’ll be interesting to see how they manage this going forward, because it is easier blend in when you are a smaller economy.

        Why would they exclude Israel? But India’s friendship with Israel, such as it is, is based on pragmatism. India imports almost 70% of the oil it consumes and that figure will grow as their economy grows. The vast majority of that comes from muslim-majority states in the Middle East.
        This places a natural lock on how far they are willing – or even able – to go with this relationship.

        As for China, its closest friend is Pakistan. It is also going deeper into Middle Eastern politics. When Libya fell, they had over 20,000 nationals working in the oil sector in the country.

        When Shimon Peres was visiting last year, Xi admonished him for the stalling peace process.

        I highly doubt either China or India will use the veto the way that the U.S. has. Israel’s technology is not unique. Their high-tech exports to China is low, because China already has everything that they have to offer. India’s needs of Israel are greater, they want to diversify away from Russian dependence on arms imports, this is also why US arms exports are increasing to India.

        They also need the kind of desalination/agricultural know-know that Israel has, but again, that isn’t unique to Israel.

        Neither China nor India has an AIPAC; because lets remember, that is fundamentally what is driving the veto-no-matter-what position of the US.

        Further, public opinion in China and India towards Israel is chilly. Israel claims that India is extremely pro-Israel.

        Well, the Lowe’s institute in 2013 did a large public poll in India on foreign relations. The public ranked Israel in the bottom 3, together with Pakistan and North Korea.

        India’s muslim minority is too small to do that on its own. Israel is not popular among the Indian population.

        That won’t stop the Indian government from diversifying away from Russian imports of arms for its military, but it will not exactly create the conditions for an unconditional veto in the UN barring an Indian AIPAC, which isn’t going to happen.

        Ultimately, I think a lot rests among the Arab states in the region. They have the power of the purse, as oil exporters, to force change upon the rest of the world re: the Palestinians.

        And so far they haven’t really done that.
        If anything, they have treated the Palestinians like shit. They only really step up after the latest devastation in Gaza, but they prefer not to talk about the Palestinian refugees living in their country(and god forbid if they get citizenship).

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 6:50 pm

        @wss

        a very bad analogy and argument. The US is in the same “company” as other nations who committed genocide, tortured and kept slaves. Do you feel comfortable with that?

      • piotr
        piotr
        February 24, 2015, 11:49 pm

        Yes, they are in the same company.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 10:43 am

        “The US is in the same “company” as other nations who committed genocide, tortured and kept slaves. Do you feel comfortable with that?”

        Dabakr, the US is much, much bigger, has a huge population and resources, and arose out of events which changed the face of the earth. We can get away with stuff Israel shouldn’t even think of!
        Go play with the little dependent kids, and stop trying to punch above your weight. And try and keep your trunks up.

      • lysias
        lysias
        February 25, 2015, 5:36 pm

        India, with 177 million Muslims, has the third-largest population of Muslims in the world. Only Indonesia and Pakistan have more. India’s Muslims are 14.6% of the population.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        March 2, 2015, 5:58 pm

        “Does Israel feel comfortable being in the SAME company as NORTH KOREA??? ”

        According to the BBC country ratings poll, Israel has been in that company for years.

        2014 poll results:

        Iran remains the most unfavourably viewed country, with negative ratings of its perceived influence averaging 60 per cent, followed by Pakistan and North Korea (both 58%). Israel continues to be the fourth most negatively viewed nation, despite an uptick of three points in its positive ratings (24%) and a decline in its negative ratings to 50 per cent (down 2 points) that differentiates it from the other worst-rated nations.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/world-service-country-pollwww.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/world-service-country-poll

  2. eljay
    eljay
    February 24, 2015, 10:18 am

    One might assume that, faced with these drastic calculations, Israel would reconsider its obstructive approach to peace negotiations and Palestinian statehood. Not a bit of it.

    For decades, the unjust and immoral actions ((war) crimes) of the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of (Greater) Israel have been defended, excused, supported, justified, glossed over and ignored by far too many countries, governments, politicians, communities and people.

    It’s no surprise that Israel and the Zio-supremacists who run it, fund it, enable it and defend it are of the opinion that Israel is right and everyone else is wrong.

  3. Dan Crowther
    Dan Crowther
    February 24, 2015, 10:20 am

    Well we all know about that Indian Israel lobby………

    thanks for the bit of seriousness john. This place sorely needs it.

  4. Pauline
    Pauline
    February 24, 2015, 10:27 am

    This is really useful & informative report. I would just add that the South Korean government is also implicated in Israeli occupation and apartheid, with the collaboration intensifying under the administration of Park Geun-hye (the first woman elected president of the Republic of Korea):
    https://intifadakorea.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/does-korea-want-to-be-israel-park-geun-hye-nomics-creative-economy/

  5. amigo
    amigo
    February 24, 2015, 11:02 am

    “One day Israel may be relying on a Chinese veto at the UN, not a US one.” JC.

    Yeah , in about ten years and another 5 or 6 lawn mowings , Israel should be ready to launch “Operation wipe up” which will be followed just a few weeks later by the planting of new crops of unwanted native Indians who will magically become Jews by promising to be good zionists and do whatever is asked of them by their white Zionist betters.

    And when Israel has wiped the Palestinians from Gaza in self defence they will run to mommy China and seek protection from those awful Jew haters and anti semites in the UN, especially those Jew hating Yankees.

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo
      February 24, 2015, 4:30 pm

      +1 Amigo!

      Thanks for the informative article Jonathan Cook.

    • MRW
      MRW
      February 24, 2015, 9:29 pm

      One day Israel may be relying on a Chinese veto at the UN, not a US one.

      Not a chance. It is not in China’s interest. China has a sizable Muslim population and it does not want trouble within its borders. Don’t forget that Tiananmen Square was to quell the uprising the Uighers (Muslims).

      I suspect that Jonathan Cook does not speak Chinese. He should rely, therefore, on the insights of Chas Freeman, who does.

      The Middle East and China

      • Frankie P
        Frankie P
        February 25, 2015, 8:47 am

        @MRW

        Thanks for the great link to the speech by Chas Freeman. It’s an excellent analysis of China and its policies toward Asia, including the Middle East. I’ve been here in Taiwan since well before Tiananmen, and I followed it closely, and NOWHERE have I seen anyone say that its purpose was to quell the uprising of Uighers. You are sorely mistaken on that point.

        FPM

      • MRW
        MRW
        March 1, 2015, 2:25 am

        @Frankie P,

        I’ve been here in Taiwan since well before Tiananmen, and I followed it closely, and NOWHERE have I seen anyone say that its purpose was to quell the uprising of Uighers. You are sorely mistaken on that point.

        Point taken, Frankie. I’ve probably believed one of the many disinfo stories put out in 1994 that did say it was the Uighurs. After reading what you wrote, I did some research and read about three different groups being in the square that day (police, students, and a workers’ group). The police didn’t have guns, and either the students or the workers protected them when things got out of hand. So, I’m suspecting that the 1994 Uighur story may have been part of the burgeoning anti-Muslim propaganda that started in 1992. Thanks for the heads-up.

  6. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    February 24, 2015, 11:34 am

    China isn’t going to veto UN resolutions against the rest of the world, including Russia, on behalf of the Israeli State. China is cautious in world policy. Israel would have to be like North Korea, Nepal, Vietnam, or some other country with super-close relations before it would do that.

  7. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned
    February 24, 2015, 11:39 am

    Thanks for a valuable column. The first part, describing the recent advances made by the Palestinians, has Israeli officials very concerned.

    But of course, they pretend in public that they’re not concerned at all!!!

  8. Bandolero
    Bandolero
    February 24, 2015, 12:10 pm

    Israeli cooperation with Japan, India and China is several decades old. China is happy to have Israel export the arms technology to China, which sale to China is banned by the US and the EU. With India the driver is not banned technology, but competion with the EU. But neither the political system of China nor India is open to Israeli manipulation or domination, like the those of US and EU are – or were.

    While Japan is a US client state, China and India are in the process of forming a close global BRICS and regional SCO alliance with Russia and Iran. Netanyahu is very mistaken if he thinks, China and India will ever protect an Israeli apartheid regime with their growing diplomatic and economic clout. But there is also good news in this: If Bibi really has illusions about this, he’s likely to overplay his hand very seriously in the face of the US and the EU and the unmaking of Israel is coming.

    • W.Jones
      W.Jones
      February 24, 2015, 12:53 pm

      Good point. China and India are not going to have a domestic pro-Israeli lobby, with all it entails- Christian Zios, pro-Israeli religious summer camps, etc.

    • mikeo
      mikeo
      February 24, 2015, 4:48 pm

      There is very little chance that Israel will be able to use trade with China as a lever to gain political favours unless they are relatively cost free to China.

      China is just too big, and the single-party political culture there is one that allows consideration of the long-term more than the US.

      Israel has very little to offer China that it could not get elsewhere if required…

    • Belligerent Rabbit
      Belligerent Rabbit
      February 25, 2015, 2:13 pm

      China and India aren’t MEANT to ‘protect’ Israel’s apartheid regime. They have their own apartheid regimes to run and maintain. These are peas in the same pod. Is ra el is not going to come undone at all. Jud aics have been running into the arms of the ‘asian’ ever since Nixon ‘opened’ China. That was the time it was meant to happen and it did.

      One can see, that all over the world, shite floats to the top.

  9. ckg
    ckg
    February 24, 2015, 12:43 pm

    If I were a Republican strategist, I would not be able to think of a better 2016 wedge issue than Israel to add to God, guns, and gays. And if it does become a 2016 wedge issue, it will become more partisan than ever. This is AIPAC’s nightmare.

    • W.Jones
      W.Jones
      February 24, 2015, 12:59 pm

      If China fights for the Israelis at the UN, what will China get in return? More arms contracts? It is already getting them. China will get a lot of flak from Muslims (20-30% of the world) instead. China doesn’t need that.

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        February 24, 2015, 1:46 pm

        W.Jones

        China had something like a strong “jewish lobby” in the past but the very most people in China have no fond memories for this time and want it never again:

        http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/11/the-jewish-monopoly-on-opium-still-fuels-chinese-resentment-today/

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        February 24, 2015, 2:03 pm

        Was that actually an openly Jewish lobby in China and Britain on the Opium trade?

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        February 24, 2015, 5:22 pm

        @ Bandolero

        I have spent many years in China on business (and still do). While there, I have visited the shrines to the opium wars in Shanghai and was generally familiar with the opium poisoning of Shanghai making the Pearl of the Orient, the den of prostitution for the western world.

        In all this time, however, I had not paid much attention to the gory details of that history as gleaned from your link, and though I had wondered about how the British had dominance over Hong Kong, I was too lazy to dig deeper into the history of that origin until just now.

        The entire Sassoon enterprise was mind-boggling in its scope and is the personification of the Protocols. I had no idea of the horrific extent that they went to, with British complicity, not only to ravage China, but also rape the Indian subcontinent. Enslaving the inhabitants of Bengal and forcing them to raise poppies to fuel China with Opium and use the profits from that to fund a century of wars – is there a more disgusting example of crimes against humanity in the history of mankind?

        And it is a gift that keeps on giving, even into today. It is enough to drive a man to drink.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 10:46 am

        “And it is a gift that keeps on giving, even into today. It is enough to drive a man to drink.”

        Or make him go completely to pot.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        February 25, 2015, 4:19 pm

        Cloak,

        It sounds like you have a lot of first hand knowledge from traveling to China, and it sounds quite newsworthy, because you said that it keeps on giving. It’s quite new for me as well. Do you think you might consider writing an essay for Mondoweiss or a similar site on this topic? To make it more relevant, you might consider relating it to the Middle East today.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 4:28 pm

        The Opium Poisoning, and the Opium Wars. A terrible episode in the lives of both China and India, and the ramifications are still being felt today.

  10. hophmi
    hophmi
    February 24, 2015, 1:39 pm

    “Meanwhile, a CNN poll found that two-thirds of Americans, and three-quarters of those under 50, believed the US foreign policy should be neutral between Israel and Palestine.”

    Oh please. This polling is consistent with historical polling on this issue. It’s nothing new. The same poll found that of those who favored that the US take a side, the pro-Israel community outnumbered the pro-Palestinian community 29-2. You’re not going to move US policymakers if 2% of the population supports your cause.

    “The fall-out is spreading to the US Congress, where for the first time Israel is becoming a partisan issue. A growing number of Democrats have declared they will boycott Netanyahu’s address to the Congress next month, when he is expected to try to undermine the Iran talks.”

    Not a single one of those Democrats has said that they’re boycotting the speech because they want to make a stand for the Palestinians.

    “Instead, Netanyahu has begun looking elsewhere for economic – and ultimately political – patrons.

    In doing so, he is returning to an early Israeli tradition.”

    The tradition of doing what every other head of state does by forming alliances with other countries? I didn’t realize that that was a tradition. I thought it was what countries were supposed to do.

    • annie
      annie
      February 25, 2015, 9:23 am

      The same poll found that of those who favored that the US take a side, the pro-Israel community outnumbered the pro-Palestinian community 29-2. You’re not going to move US policymakers if 2% of the population supports your cause.

      well of course. that’s because the 33% who supported netanyahu’s speech are all pro israel, so of course they would be the ones favoring israel over palestine. but don’t assume the other 66%, the ones who would like the american gov to be neutral, don’t pretend for one minute if they were asked to pick a side they would favor israel 29-2. there are a lot more americans who support palestine than 2%.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 25, 2015, 10:44 am

        “ut don’t assume the other 66%, the ones who would like the american gov to be neutral, don’t pretend for one minute if they were asked to pick a side they would favor israel 29-2. there are a lot more americans who support palestine than 2%.”

        That’s certainly true. There are basically two types of polls on this issue. The CNN poll offers neutrality as an option, and the results are consistent with historical figures. The poll you’re talking about asks people to choose a side. There is plenty of polling available where Americans were asked which side they sympathize with more, where they had to pick a side. Gallup released the latest version of that poll a couple of days ago. In February 2014, Americans favoring Israel outnumber Americans favoring the Palestinians 62-18. In February 2015, the latest poll, Americans favoring Israel outnumber Americans favoring the Palestinians 62-16, and this poll was taken at the height of the brouhaha over this speech. http://www.gallup.com/poll/181652/seven-americans-continue-view-israel-favorably.aspx

  11. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    February 24, 2015, 1:40 pm

    this is not ‘new’ news. israel has been working on growing ties with asian allies for years. it isn;t as if bds and jvp suddenly convinced a left wing student body at a california campus to ‘divest’ and netanyahu suddenly determined “oh- time to shift”. the writing has been on the walls for quite some time. it has long been noted that with the asian power brokers -while most have UN policy that is sympathetic to Palestinian pop-they do NOT have what many consider to be the ‘hard-wired’ history of sporadic but regular Jew-hatred and the cultural isolation of the poor jewish masses.
    So while the bids movement is celebrating victories such as soda-stream which has caused extreme hardship for many of the 100s of Palestinian families who depended on the jobs there (don’t believe many of their lives have been destroyed by soda-stream closing up? ask them. yes-Israel has destroyed lives as well but the question is who is bds hurting more?)
    The Israelis have signed billion dollar contracts with India, China, Japan ad South Korea. The 14b gas deal with Jordan is likely to pass after the Jordanian ‘opposition’ makes their point and some monies and profits are shifted around to benefit them as well.

    It has been obvious for over ten years that while China may pay lip service to the Arab block at the UN they would never allow any real harm to come to Israel in light of how crucial Israeli tech, meds, agro and arms have become to them. And in fact-Israel does not require of China that they publicly announce their position on i/p conflict. The more important message is wether they are an ally or are they out to destroy. Israel has a pretty good track record of distinguishing between the .

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      February 24, 2015, 3:02 pm

      i should add that where this fits in to the scuff between netanyahu and obama is that obamas cloistered cabinet has pinned almost 99% of its FP goals on the idea that the lynchpin to US interests is going to be through Iran and the hegemony it will gain in the next ten years (by raping Syrians of their autonomy) but its all dependent on the iron fisted mullahs letting loose their grip on power and supposedly having the younger generation (that supposedly ‘likes’Americans take over as an even more rational ‘rational’ player.
      But 30yrs of screaming death to America and Death to Israel is going to be a bit harder to manage then barry’s people think. Kerry appears to be clueless and simply utters pointless and juvenile insults with no substance against BN. And all the commenters who are predicting this is great for BN because ‘people’ will see how ‘crazy’ he is? It seems more likely that Americans, at least in large % may very well come to see BN as making a lot more concrete sense about the ‘deal’ then their own protected President who hasn’t had to fight a real battle in years and picks BN as the ‘bad guy’ while making excuses for the owners of Kuwait, SA, Iran, and all the other 2-bit totalitarian dictators that he would never dare to utter a word of disrespect to. If Obama really wanted to ‘beat’ BN on this issue he should have simply run with the initial press release and then shut up about it. Now the only way he’s not going to look like an ass is …oh wait….

      It is hardly an unreasonable position to take that throwing over Americas traditional allies in the ME in favor of Iran on the off chance the mullahs are overthrown is a very bad policy and NOT in Americas self interest. Iran is in deep cahoots with Russia whose policy is taking a harder and more militaristic stance against the US each year. with no chance of gaining any influence in whatever becomes of Syria-exactly what is the great benefit to US interest that comes from scaring the gulf powers -along with Egypt and its allies into an arms race to stymie the Iranian regime?

      The Obama admin. -with a complete lack of clarity and confidence- is obviously scared of how Amricans will take in what BN has to say aboutnthis so-called fp which risks much in return for what exactly? What does the US gain by appeasing Iran? Many Americans were just recently reminded of what a ‘great’ strategic asset Iran is in the federal case that did not allow the families of the marine barrack bombing to use off-shore Iranian money to pay for the damage the Iranian/Amal/Hezbollah attack which murdered 241 US marines.
      And the world (as are American citizens) wondering what to make of the Iranian involvement in Argentina worst terrorist catastrophe ever. as well as the current murder of the lead investigator of the attack. Either way-Iran comes off as something much less then a rational actor. The attempt to blame israel for both the attack, the failed investigation AND the murder of Nisman is worse then a bad joke.

      And the Iranian people? The last time they tried to rise up and demand a say in their gov’t-they were beaten, murdered and imprisoned. And they were not even protesting for a regime change. Just a fair election.

      the point isn’t that anyone is scared about Iran launching a nuclear attack which it probably won’t-its that iran will use its weapon stockpile to lord it over any other power in the region that does not cave to its dominance. in regards to the i/p conflict there are many here who really like that scenario. But take away a weakened Israel from this ‘deal’ and what does America, europe and the ME get that it actually needs

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 25, 2015, 4:31 pm

      “i should add that where this fits…”

      Really? You “should”? Okay then, give us a good long mutter.

  12. italian ex-pat
    italian ex-pat
    February 24, 2015, 1:50 pm

    So, in 2013 Israel sold $4billions worth of weapons to Asian countries. Coincidentally, that’s roughly the same amount the US give to Israel each year, as ‘military aid’. And boy, how many times have I heard Israel’s apologists claim that those billions are spent purchasing arms from US manifacturers, therefore basically bringing the money back to the American economy.

    Even if that is true – and it seems to me that it’s only the arms dealers and the politicians in their pockets who are making out like bandits – why do we continue to give Israel this military aid when it’s obvious they don’t even need it. They have so many weapons already that they can sell them to other countries (and who knows in what hands those weapons may fall).

    For pete’s sake, let’s cut this farce and give Israel the cash directly, because this is practically what’s already happening.

  13. italian ex-pat
    italian ex-pat
    February 24, 2015, 1:54 pm

    So, in 2013 Israel sold $4billions worth of weapons to Asian countries. Coincidentally, that’s roughly the same amount the US give to Israel each year, as ‘military aid’. And boy, how many times have I heard Israel apologists claim that those billions are spent purchasing arms from US manifacturers, therefore basically bringing the money back to the American economy.

    Even if that is true – and it seems to me that it’s only the arms dealers and the politicians in their pockets who are making out like bandits – why do we continue to give Israel this military aid when it’s obvious they have enough weapons already, witness the fact that they can sell them to other countries (and who knows in what hands those weapons may fall).

    For pete’s sake, let’s cut this farce and give Israel the cash directly, because this is practically what’s already happening.

  14. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 24, 2015, 5:16 pm

    Israel is an aircraft carrier of the West in the Eastern Med.
    It can’t coherently turn its back on the US and think China is an adequate replacement.
    It will have to take its sanctions medicine and see it as part of God’s plan for straying from the path of righteousness.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRE23YfSvc8

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

    • just
      just
      February 24, 2015, 5:25 pm

      “Israel is an aircraft carrier of the West in the Eastern Med. It can’t coherently turn its back on the US and think China is an adequate replacement. It will have to take its sanctions medicine and see it as part of God’s plan for straying from the path of righteousness.”

      so true!

      As for Jules and his Bible Verse (Ezekiel 25:17.), what can I say except Samuel is one heckuva actor, and you are amazing, seafoid.

      Thank you.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 6:46 pm

        it was-i believe -alexander haig who first coined the decription of Israel as the largest moored aircraft carrier in the world and its at ‘our’ disposal. or something like that.

        And nobody said Israel was going to ‘turn its back’ on the US but merely reduce its dependence on (surely most here favor this, no?) and integrate itself into the changing power structure of the world in which the US is no longer (at least by MW commenters view) seen as the arbiter of good and decency and other agents such as China, South Korea and Japan will benefit form not only exposure to the actual culture of Jews (not what they read in the ‘protocols of zion’ or mein kmp) as well as reap the benefits of mutual and close cooperation with Israeli scientific-agro-medical institutions.

        The US, meanwhile, can play with its new bff while it burns Israeli flags and walks all over US ones. Obama may not be a bad man. He may even be a smart man but in terms of the world stage and FP-he is strictly junior varsity. Out of his league. Who the hell is he listening to and why? And why are so many here convinced that iranina mullahs are the real ‘friend’ of American interests?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 4:35 pm

        “Obama may not be a bad man. He may even be a smart man but in terms of the world stage and FP-he is strictly junior varsity. Out of his league.”

        Normally, I might think that was a little bit tendentious. But coming from someone with a long, distinguished diplomatic and political career, topped off by a stint as a successful world-affairs consultant, who has a reputation for scholarship and objective analysis, it has a devastating impact. Coming from you, “Dabakr”, it’s worth squat.

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo
      February 24, 2015, 7:31 pm

      +100 for that one Seafoid!

    • Alcibiades
      Alcibiades
      February 25, 2015, 9:34 am

      “Israel is an aircraft carrier of the West in the Eastern Med.”

      No, Israel, because it is an affront to the rest of the region, is unusable as an “aircraft carrier.” When have we ever flown off that deck?

      “the inequities of the selfish”

      Yes, those Americans who put their narrow ethnic interests above the strategic well being of the nation are indeed selfish.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 25, 2015, 10:48 am

      LOL. Seafoid just compared the anti-Israel movement to a mafia hitman.

    • Belligerent Rabbit
      Belligerent Rabbit
      February 25, 2015, 2:46 pm

      The presumption being that the U.S. is run in the interest of and for the benefit of Americans and somehow the righteous America shall overcome? Naive. Why do you think China has been ‘westernizing’ for the past 3 decades? Why do you think Islam has been allowed to be ‘exported’ to former Christian nations? Why do you think bds has been permitted to gain a toehold? Why do you think the church of Rome now openly talks and behaves like any other ‘christian’ denomination– (no dogma other than climate change, liberation theology, and preferential treatment of the poor?
      Those who run the U.S. also run the mid east and China. At the top, it’s one, big happy family. The rest is theater. Sure, there may be internecine squabbles about territory and resources, but the end game is one gov’t and one religion. Yes, it will likely take a good deal more time but those who own (and clandestinely run) governments have nothing but time on their side and the power of the purse to accomplish their goals. Most everything given to you for consumption and regurgitation is distraction.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 4:51 pm

        “Why do you think China has been ‘westernizing’ for the past 3 decades? Why do you think Islam has been allowed to be ‘exported’ to former Christian nations? Why do you think bds has been permitted to gain a toehold? Why do you think the church of Rome now openly talks and behaves like any other ‘christian’ denomination”

        Whoa, those are weighty questions! I’m still trying to find out who put the Benzedrine in Mrs. Murphy’s Ovaltine!

        But I get it, we got trouble. With a capital T! But I’m with you, I’m not even Catholic, and I sort of miss the Latin Mass. It was impressive. They do talk just like anybody else now.

  15. tokyobk
    tokyobk
    February 24, 2015, 8:21 pm

    CloakAndDagger “…is there a more disgusting example of crimes against humanity in the history of mankind?”

    The Atlantic Slave Trade, the European Holocaust, the Japanese assault on Asia perhaps? But no need to go off mission, you probably have a Stormfront article ID’ng the Jews behind those too.

    PS I hope it does not ruin your or Bandolero’s day but most East Asians are Judeo-philes not phobes.

    The reasons, however, can often be equally creepy and narcissistic, and also conspiracy based, though inverted from the type indulged by hobbyists such as yourself.

    • Teapot
      Teapot
      February 24, 2015, 9:05 pm

      but most East Asians are Judeo-philes not phobes

      I can only speak for China here (although that makes for a big part of East Asia), but the Chinese are neither Judeophiles nor -phobes. They seem pretty indifferent.
      I used to live and work in China some years ago, and at first I was quite shocked by their attitude towards the holocaust. There was no such reverence like in the West, it was just a part of European history to them. I remember I had this long discussion with some Chinese friends about the Nazi salute, because they didn’t quite see why Europeans made such a fuss about it.

      My point is that Israel won’t be able to play the anti-semitism card in China. Jewish persecution is not a part of their history. As you mentioned in your comment above, Japan caused a lot of suffering in China during WWII and the cultural revolution wasn’t exactly an easy time to live through either. Jewish suffering will not seem exceptional to the Chinese. And the Israel lobby will never be able to manipulate China the way they’re currently controlling the US.

      • Frankie P
        Frankie P
        February 25, 2015, 9:19 pm

        @Teapot,

        I have lived in Taiwan for over 25 years, and I concur with your observations about ethnic Chinese and their inability to grasp the western reverence for the Holocaust of European Jews as the ultimate in human suffering or injustice. As for the anti-semitism card, it will not be played here in East Asia, as it will have no effect at all. The East Asians have not had extensive historical dealings with Jews, and they are not suffering from the self-censorship that causes otherwise progressive westerners to hold their tongues when it comes to the crimes of the Jews of Israel and their supporters in western countries. For me, it’s refreshing to hear ethnic Chinese talk openly about how they are able to discern that the democracies of the west, including the American Congress and many of the western European governments, are controlled by campaign funding from pro-Israel Jews who hold citizenship of their states but loyalty to a foreign state. They say this in an analytical and logical fashion; they smile when informed that such talk in the United States would provoke cries and accusations of Jew-hatred and anti-semitism. They ask then if that makes the facts any less true.

        This is the culture that gave the world Sun Tze’s Art of War thousands of years ago. Mossad’s motto was plagarized directly from Sun Tze. Nothing about the inhumanity of man to man surprises them.

        FPM

    • Chu
      Chu
      February 24, 2015, 11:32 pm

      misfired, not on the same thread.

    • Alcibiades
      Alcibiades
      February 25, 2015, 9:41 am

      Teapot is exactly right. You’ve been drinking too much of your own koolaid. There is some admiration in China and elsewhere in East Asia from those who are conversant in global affairs (alway a small minority) for Israel and Jews. BUT…this should not be misunderstood (willfully or otherwise) as “judeophilia” in any meaningful sense, i.e., in the sense that it could somehow lead China to sacrifice its own interests on behalf of Israel as the US regularly does (and the EU to a lesser extent.)

      As Teapot says, “Israel won’t be able to play the anti-semitism card in China,” and it will have no lobby with which to subvert Chinese policy. So no dice.

      India is a somewhat different story. It’s fear of China has led it into a strategic relationship with the US, which will probably deepen and on which Israel will be able to piggyback.

      Reference Japan, there is really nothing new.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 25, 2015, 10:52 am

      “But no need to go off mission, you probably have a Stormfront article ID’ng the Jews behind those too.”

      Look who popped in just to make a fool of himself. BTW, “tokyobk” do you have a link to the Judeo-phile vs. Judeo-phobe survey for East Asians? I might go there this year, and would like to be sure of my reception.

      I guess it’s no big news, I pop in and make a fool of almost myself every day.
      And I don’t care what anybody says about Sassoon, my hair looks fabulous!

      • tree
        tree
        February 25, 2015, 2:59 pm

        Look who popped in just to make a fool of himself.

        He popped in to illustrate my point that he, among others, readily ignores the anti-semitism that comes out of the mouths of right wing Zionists like JeffB. JeffB went on at great length about how all Jews bear responsibility for the actions of Israel, etc, etc, but TBK never thought twice about that. Zionists are allowed to make such statements in his world. But just let TBK think he detects a whiff of anti-semitism from a non-Zionist non-Jew and out comes the invective and the comparisons to Stormfront.

        Frankly, I’ve rarely if ever seen the usual “liberal” Zionists here personally disagree in the comments section with any of the more right wing Zionist commenters. One might logically conclude that liberal ZIonists would consider the right wing commenters more of a threat to the continuation of their genteel ethnocentrism, but apparently their sense of tribal unity overshadows logic in these instances. Or perhaps it has more to do with their own unacknowledged bigotry towards non-Jews. More often than not Hophmi, Yonah and TBK prove to be on a hair trigger against any perceived sense of anti-semitism coming from someone who is not Jewish and/or not Zionist, but willing to overlook and excuse any anti-semitism or bigotry against non-Jews no matter how obvious or heinous if it comes from the mouths or actions of Zionist Jews.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 25, 2015, 3:10 pm

        || tree: More often than not Hophmi, Yonah and TBK … ||

        I believe TBK when he says he’s not a Zionist. I certainly wouldn’t put him in the same category as guys like hophmi, y.f. and jon s.

        But that’s just me. :-)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 4:59 pm

        Oh, I wasn’t worried about whether anybody is a Zionist or not, I was just thinking that “Stormfront” thing was a little much. Especially without some kind of link. But just as an general accusation? Sheesh.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 25, 2015, 5:05 pm

      “PS I hope it does not ruin your or Bandolero’s day but most East Asians are Judeo-philes not phobes.
      The reasons, however, can often be equally creepy and narcissistic, and also conspiracy based, though inverted from the type indulged by hobbyists such as yourself.”

      Wow, tokyobk, it must be tough to fight the philiac and phobic misconceptions of “creepy and narcissistic and also conspiracy based” East Asians, and have to deal with inverted “hobbyists such as” .

      • lysias
        lysias
        February 25, 2015, 5:24 pm

        The leader of Team Shalom used on Daily Kos (before he was banned) regularly to call this site “Mondofront”. He was largely responsible for Daily Kos adopting a policy under which linking to this site became a banning offense.

      • just
        just
        February 25, 2015, 5:27 pm

        And that’s part of the reason that I left that swamp.

  16. Real Jew
    Real Jew
    February 24, 2015, 8:36 pm

    it seems like Israel is willing to do absolutely anything in order to avoid making a deal with the Palestinians. And that includes making a deal with the devil himself. How morally low can this country get. But no partnership with India or China will ever be a comparable substitute for American political and economic support.

    On a side note, i wonder how long is it gonna take for these historically pro Palestinian Asian countries to abandon their moral standing in return for armaments from israel. Funny how the world works..

  17. Kay24
    Kay24
    February 24, 2015, 9:30 pm

    Today Israel has managed to slither into Australia and India, and the signs are into some Asian nations, which really would be a cake walk. India that once had a cold relationship with Israel, today has purchased Israeli made weapons for millions of dollars, and recently Modi attended the Israeli Aerospace Industry exhibition in Bangalore, recently. Dangerous liaisons. It would be much easier to bribe officials in some Asian nations, into becoming the staunch Israeli supporters, that do the bidding of Israel. Israel despite the denials know that EU is becoming harder to manipulate, with strong calls for BDS and the EU making demands, and showing support for a Palestinian State, is now looking for more victims like a parasite, and they will not be able to get rid of, just like in the US.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.643024

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      February 25, 2015, 9:18 am

      As Israel grows more and more as a powerful military supplier to various nations like India or. Korea or Japan it will be forced to grow less and less disengaged from the defense and military establishments of West . Further development of Israeli military arsenals and refinement of its hardwares will be extremely jeopardized and start becoming vulnerable to this separation. West won’t have any fear of telling Israel off. The current atmosphere of enmity between west and Israrl will spread to every area. Israel will not have the free ,easy access . Israel will lose this advantage that it enjoys now . Can it develop on its own? If history is a guide,then : no.
      The other possibility is that Israel continuously has to sell better products at cheaper rate to keep this ” feeling” alive .
      Meanwhile India can and will face same problem but much worse that Europe is worried of- ‘ homegrown’ terrorism – for support to Israel and support to Israeli manufactured wars . But it will be worse . Support to these homegrown terrorist will come from Pakistan,Bangladesh and even non Muslim countries . India is a country that has linguistic,tribal problems in addition to caste problems. There are enormous undercurrents of ” terrorism’ throughout the nation. This challenge will get magnified not lessened .
      Arms sale did not and could not support Cold War based Soviet existence . How could a ” little shitty country ” like Israel can survive on some bad blood based domestic and foreign tension that affect SE Asia ?
      China and India can’t depend on same suppliers . It doesn’t work. N Korea can grow more cozy with America if S Korea bolts the door .Pakistan and N Korea have good relation. Japan and S Korea can’t see eye to eye . China and Japan have problems. Israel can’t navigate this myriad complexities . Over the West ,it has by forcing other countries like German,France,Italy,and UK to forget their core interests and accept the pressures from US ( made by Israel ) . That will not work in S Asia. every move by one country will be matched by another country in opposite direction.
      Israel will not survive the disengagement from US. US unless remain only superpower can’t guarantee succeess of Israel.

      • annie
        annie
        February 25, 2015, 9:37 am

        thanks train, that’s some very interesting analysis.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 25, 2015, 11:05 am

        “As Israel grows more and more as a powerful military supplier to various nations like India or. Korea or Japan it will be forced to grow less and less disengaged from the defense and military establishments of West . ”

        LOL, exactly the opposite is true. The more Israel diversifies its portfolio by developing trade with the developing world, the less reliant it will be on the bloated, stagnant economies of Europe.

        ” The current atmosphere of enmity between west and Israrl will spread to every area. ”

        I doubt it. The Europeans have no real interest in an ongoing atmosphere of enmity between the West and Israel. While they may sanction settlement products, it will likely go no further than that, and, in any event, settlement products are tiny part of the more than 30 billion Euros in trade between Israel and the EU. Israel is an OECD member, and eventually, in a decade or two, it will accede to the EU itself. You’re fooling yourself if you think otherwise. The movers and shakers in Europe have no interest in boycotting Israel – they are far more likely to want to take part in its tech industry, as Intel, Microsoft, Apple, and many others have.

        “Meanwhile India can and will face same problem but much worse that Europe is worried of- ‘ homegrown’ terrorism – for support to Israel and support to Israeli manufactured wars . ”

        India has had a terrorism problem for a long time, and it has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with Islamic radicalism emanating from Pakistan. Like an increasing number of countries, India is not willing to give in to radical Islamist blackmail by avoiding a productive relationship with the Israelis. Just compare the places where Islamic radicals operate to Israel. Why would you choose the Islamic radicals over a first-world economy?

        “How could a ” little shitty country ” like Israel can survive on some bad blood based domestic and foreign tension that affect SE Asia ?”

        Because Israel isn’t a little shitty country. It’s a successful and stable liberal democracy, Haters are gonna hate, and the Israelis learned a long time ago that the haters aren’t really worth their time. All they have to do is look at the carnage and barbarity in the rest of their region to see why.

        “Israel will not survive the disengagement from US. US unless remain only superpower can’t guarantee succeess of Israel.”

        Many would have said the same about a country in a much worse financial, political, and military position after 1959 – Cuba. Alas, Cuba, which was a third-world country in 1959, showed everyone that it was possible to survive without the help of the United States. Israel’s position is infinitely better than Cuba’s was.

        See, the problem is that when your entire political program is based on hate, as the anti-Israel program is, you tend to lose, and you tend to be a bad analyst.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 25, 2015, 5:11 pm

        Because Israel isn’t a little shitty country. It’s a successful and stable liberal democracy”

        Hooray for Israel! Hophmi will now, with a great flourish of the pointer and audio-visual aids, show us the “successful and stable” borders of Israel, behind which the “stable liberal democracy” of Israel resides, with liberty and justice for all, and to all, a good night, as long as the Iron Dome isn’t rusted.

        Hophmi, how long are you going to try and sell that same load of clams?

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        February 25, 2015, 9:41 pm

        I agree with Annie, it is indeed an interesting perspective. Israel is becoming more and more a rogue state, supplying arms to the powder kegs of the world, and causing trouble wherever it sees the opportunity. Soon, it will be no. 1 on the worlds topmost hated nation.
        All their doing and they deserve it., although the outrage about victimhood will continue.

  18. piotr
    piotr
    February 25, 2015, 12:16 am

    “One day Israel may be relying on a Chinese veto at the UN, not a US one. ”

    This is perhaps a dream in Israel, but a totally impossible dream. Even secular Israelis should know something about resting hand on a slender reed. Furthermore, either Israel will sell somewhat crappy stuff to China, severely limiting the gratitude, or it will be on a path of deteriorating the relationship with USA: the first thing to go would be to end sweet agreements on joint development of military technologies, which can be done quite discretely if Pentagon is annoyed. Or not so discretely if Pentagon will be annoyed more.

    A further danger is the conflict in Ukraine. If the hotheads like Biden will win the day, this conflict will linger longer, and Ukraine will get a smattering of American weapons (through UAE?). In due time, those weapons will be smashed by Russian weapons. As a consequence, Russia will have best tested weapon systems that are not Western, and the dominant role of Russia as a supplier to India and China will be restore after temporary wobbling. It is also possible that Russian-made drones will be tested against Israeli drones in Armenia-Azerbaijan.

    Lastly, it is a mistake to read South and East Asian attitudes as “Judeo-philic”. Apart from some Islamophobic Indian nationalists, there is no sentiment whatsoever, instead, purely mercantile attitude.

    • Alcibiades
      Alcibiades
      February 25, 2015, 9:48 am

      Yes, it’s amusing to see all the “Israel-China” alliance nonsense. Of course, all of it comes from Israel and its supporters. China doesn’t bother saying anything. China’s short-term motivation, aside from technology, stems from the realization that Israel and its lobby are so pernicious in their stranglehold on US politics that it behooves China to give Israel the impression of great interest. Since there is considerable overlap in the US between pro-Israel sentiment and neo-conservative unilateralism that is inclined to see “rising China” as a threat, it makes sense for China to take what measures it can to innoculate itself from de facto linkage of pro-Israel and anti-Chinese neocon ideological positions.

      The Chinese investment in the Beesheeba-Eilat train link is just the kind of thing China does to put itself on the good side of a country. But the Israelis misinterpret this as China’s recognition of Israel as a “blessing unto the nations.”

      It’s almost comical.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 26, 2015, 4:43 am

      Chinese people, born in a country that went through the Japanese invasion, civil war, the cultural revolution and the insanity of Maoism are hardly going to bow down before the logic of Zionism.

  19. peter123
    peter123
    February 25, 2015, 12:24 pm

    My money is on China since Israel has old habits that keep them performing the same dog and pony show. Not today, but Israel will learn a new trick or two, especially if they piss China off.

    The illusion here is that the China that can and does copy any product made to be marketed needs Israel at all. There must be some hidden economic benefit to China somewhere down the road.

  20. amigo
    amigo
    February 25, 2015, 1:26 pm

    I wonder what nietanyahu is thinking??.

    How can I get these brave Chinese fodder to attack Iran for me.

  21. Belligerent Rabbit
    Belligerent Rabbit
    February 25, 2015, 2:30 pm

    Cook wrote:
    “Netanyahu blames the shift there on what he calls “Islamisation”, suggesting that Europe’s growing Muslim population is holding the region’s politicians to ransom.”

    Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black!?! There is no shortage of chutzpah in the mid east.

    Binyamin is THRILLED with the Islamisation of Europe; that means Christendom is being destroyed and the only tears shed in the mid east over that, are those of crocodiles.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 25, 2015, 5:15 pm

      “Binyamin is THRILLED with the Islamisation of Europe; that means Christendom is being destroyed and the only tears shed in the mid east over that, are those of crocodiles.”

      “Christendom”? Huh? I’ve never heard of a country called “Christendom”. Is it one of those tiny European Duchies like Grand Fenwick?

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia
        February 26, 2015, 11:01 pm

        Israel still wants to blame muslim for risisng antisemitism and cries wolf over muslim immigration .it wants to perpetuate the myth of muslim violence against Jewish people. This is an interesting strategy. Why does it do this? One thing it does that it adds to islamophobia among the Jews and among gentiles in N America.

        Here is this statistics from -http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/23/the-fallacy-of-anti-semitism-rising/

        “whites perpetrated 44 percent of the anti-Semitic incidents in England, the lion’s share, while Arab or North African belligerence comprised a mere 10 percent. Surprisingly, South Asian offenders made up 37 percent, and only 8 percent were described as Black. According to the numbers, the “Arab-Israeli conflict,” as it metastasizes into Europe, is driven principally by whites, not by Jews or Arabs. I would argue that the same is true in the Levant”

  22. piotr
    piotr
    February 25, 2015, 9:38 pm

    I apologize for a comment that is not fully serious.

    In Israeli mental sphere, the universe is centered on Israel, and position of all heavenly and terrestrial bodies are defined by their distance and angle (which can have pro- or anti-Israeli inclination) in respect to Israel. The idea that a South or East Asian politician may spend weeks and months with nary a thought about Israel is too preposterous to contemplate. Say, Prime Minister Modi attended Israeli Air Show in Bangalore. Was it one of large number of similar social engagements, or not?

    In fact, Asians have a huge variety of problems that that have to cope with, of nature about which we may have only very faint ideas. Take Kingdom of Thailand. Former leaders behave seditiously, students show disrespect for the Royal Family, companies earning billions in export revenue are accused of using slave labor, and THE LATEST: invasion of cute aliens!
    http://news.thaivisa.com/thailand/targeted-young-lao-teens-prohibited-from-entering-thailand/31752/
    Note that such invasion is very difficult to stop, because regardless how many members of military, police, social service etc. you delegate to the task, they will not take the problem seriously. The invaders are just way too cute.

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 25, 2015, 10:12 pm

      “In Israeli mental sphere, the universe is centered on Israel, and position of all heavenly and terrestrial bodies are defined by their distance and angle (which can have pro- or anti-Israeli inclination) in respect to Israel. ”

      Israelis believe it because the Bible says so:

      Ezekiel 5:5, Jeremiah quotes God as saying, “This is Jerusalem; I have set her at the center of the nations.”

      Ezekiel 38:12, the Jewish people are referred to as the people who live at the “center of the world.” And actually, the literal Hebrew reads, “the navel of the world.”

      • Teapot
        Teapot
        February 25, 2015, 10:34 pm

        I once walked into a bookstore in Beijing and found the Bible shelved next to Lord of the Rings in the fantasy section.

        Israel might have to come up with some fresh hasbara for China.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        February 26, 2015, 8:36 pm

        Walid- In Ezekiel 5:5, it is obviously Ezekiel who quotes God and not Jeremiah.

        As far as navel of the world, the lowest spot on the planet, the Dead Sea, is part of the land and as such the analogy to the navel of the world is apt.

        The fact that this land was halfway between two major ancient civilizations: Sumeria and Egypt and was at the easternmost part of the Mediterranean certainly influenced the role that this land played in the development of 2 of the 3 major monotheistic religions. It was in the midst of the nations. The word in Hebrew is b’tokh, within, I am not enough of a scholar to tell you how often that means “center” and how often it means “in the midst of”.

      • piotr
        piotr
        March 1, 2015, 1:03 am

        It is worth to note that the Chinese name of China is “State of the Center”, so they are naturally disinclined to view the world as centered at Jerusalem or Washington.

  23. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    February 25, 2015, 9:39 pm

    Hophmi
    The reason Israel won’t survive has nothing to do with the geopolitical changes in the world but has very thing to do with the intransigence of Israel against changing or adjusting to that reality.
    This is what is perceived negatively by the rest of he world. But this is not end of the story. Can Israel continue to develop without the massive dole that it receives from abroad? Can it continue to attack Gaza or maintain the blockade without nod from the west? Can it on tongue to steal gas off the coast? Can it on continue to build settlement without help of US money and political shield? Israel will not be able to absorb the changes constructively and efficiently. It will become more messianic,right wing ,religious,and prone to internal dislocation . Civil war will end.
    The counties that Israel is targeting are also the competitors in the same market.
    In 10 yrs time can Israel assume that a nuclear Syria or Iraq could be prevented without the pressure interest,and propaganda of West? Weakened and insulted America may not do much and any Israeli aggression may not go unanswered .
    So for Israel to survive,it has to maintain the chaos in ME . But to do that without US support means Israel will be in permanent chaos .israel has this plan for chaos or 30 or 40 yrs and 911 made it possible . But America is not in a position despite bravado co continue this anymore .
    BTW , ME may one day express gratitude to Israel or helping to break the artificial boundaries . IS will be gone, Al Quida will be gone but the bond that is growing again will survive and a Middle East that was envisioned in 1900 might become a reality . It will in that case follow the fragmentation,chaos,religious violences ,foreign invasions,and eventually rebuilding that China went through in last century. Israel will disappear out of internal fights the way its earlier incarnations did both in ME and in Europe.

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