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Obama’s long & passionate Monday with Saban, Foxman, Hoenlein and other Jewish leaders demonstrates power of Israel lobby

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Last week Scott Roth tweeted the picture above with the following:

If this wasn’t the headline of a Jewish newspaper how would this be construed?

Well I don’t know what the answer to Roth’s question is, because today the debate begins in earnest on the Congressional effort to derail the Iran deal, and this was the headline in one non-Jewish newspaper, the Washington Post:

Obama meets with Jewish American leaders to defuse Iran fears

The Hill headline was even stronger than the Washington Post one:

Obama pleads with Jewish groups to back Iran deal

Here’s the Washington Post’s lead:

President Obama met with Jewish American leaders at the White House on Monday in a bid to defuse antagonism toward him and to convince them that he shares their concerns about the safety of Israel and the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran.

Malcolm Hoenlein

Malcolm Hoenlein

That Jews can affect a nation’s decision to go to war is of course an anti-Semitic trope. But that’s what this is all about. As J Street, which was included, said today, ironically, “Time for a war with Iran!”

The Jewish leaders got incredible access:

At the first meeting, the president spent an hour with the leaders of major Jewish organizations. Then the discussion continued with Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice; Vice President Biden’s national security adviser, Colin Kahl; and three other senior officials.

At the second session, Obama met with “community leaders,” many of them major political contributors.

So he cleared his schedule for Jewish leaders. Who were they?

The White House invited about 16 leaders of Jewish American organizations, including Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations; Robert Cohen, president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee; Allen I. Fagin, executive vice president of the Orthodox Union; and Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League.

The Hill says that J Street was included, and Obama was passionate:

Obama made an “emphatic and passionate” case during the nearly 90-minute meeting with Jewish organizations that the deal is the best way to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, according to an official from a group that participated.

Steven Mufson writes in the Washington Post that Obama talked about anti-Semitism:

One person who attended the first meeting called the session “positive” and said Obama was “heartfelt about his connection to Israel. Very moving.”

Another said that “the president talked about how deeply he feels about Israel and the Jewish people and anti-Semitism. It was not just about Iran. It was much, much deeper in terms of the president sharing with us how he felt.”
The Hill offers this list of attendees:

Haim Saban, a major Democratic donor and supporter of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, attend the second meeting along with more than a dozen other Democratic fundraisers, former ambassadors, and former leaders of Jewish groups, according to a list provided by the White House.

So, what about Roth’s challenge: how do we construe this meeting? The Israel lobby has huge influence. Last year two Haaretz writers said that the influence of American Jews over imperial policy fulfilled the caricatured belief contained in the notorious anti-semitic Russian forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And last week another Haaretz writer, Gideon Levy, said the “United States of Israel” had sacrificed its sovereignty to the Israel lobby. (And people say the Arab world is filled with conspiracy theories!)

When is the American press going to start looking into the Israel lobby? The 4th of Never. Last week This American Life did a long piece about a guy who likes listening to the music when a bureaucratic corporation puts him on hold. And Terry Gross is busy doing popular culture, last week the new Noah Baumbach movie, today House of Cards. On the Media: the UVa story. This is an abdication, and a conscious one.

One reason the media rationalizes not doing the story: Because this story is also a challenge to conventional wisdom in the left. So, how does the left explain that the President is clearing his calendar to talk to Jewish leaders in advance of the Iran deal going to Congress? These facts simply don’t fit its theory of imperial agency and primacy, the military-industrial-complex. No, the tail is wagging the dog for all to see. The realists have been right about this mechanism all along. (And it’s time for the two camps to combine fully, with the realists embracing a Palestinian human rights agenda, and the left embracing the Israel lobby theory, and the lion lying down with the lamb.)

Thanks to Peter Voskamp.

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  1. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 14, 2015, 1:03 pm

    RE: “So he [Obama] cleared his schedule for Jewish leaders. Who were they? The White House invited about 16 leaders of Jewish American organizations, including Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations . . .” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Imagine all the racist jokes about Persian rug merchants. I bet there were some real knee-slappers! ! !

    SEE: “American Jewish leader calls Iranians manipulative ‘bazaaris’” ~ Philip Weiss, January 31, 2014

    [EXCERPT] From Haaretz’s Chemi Shalev, who interviewed Malcolm Hoenlein, head of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:

    When Iranian Foreign Minister Muhammad Zarif was his country’s envoy to the United Nations, he invited Malcolm Hoenlein to have dinner at his New York home. “I keep kosher, so I didn’t eat,” Hoenlein recalls, “but we had plenty to talk about.”

    “He’s a charming guy,” Hoenlein says, “I don’t dispute it. He’s intelligent and clever. Iranian President Hassan Rohani is also clever.” He pauses for a few seconds before delivering his punch line: “But we forget: These guys have been ‘bazaaris’ [bazaar merchants] for 2,000 years, while we come in as novices. They can run circles around us. They know how to negotiate and how to manipulate every situation.”

    Heard any good stories about shifty-eyed Jews lately? . . .

    SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/american-iranians-manipulated.html

    P.S. Malcolm Hoenlein’s* racist characterization of Iranians very much reminds me of the time recently when a couple of Republican county chairmen in the great state of South Carolina wrote in a newspaper op-ed:

    “There is a saying that the Jews who are wealthy got that way not by watching dollars, but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves.”**

    * Hoenlein’s salary as CEO of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) is in excess of $400,000/year.

    ** SEE: “2 South Carolina Republicans Apologize for Reference to Jews”http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21carolina.html?_r=0

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 14, 2015, 1:21 pm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “The ‘Israel First’ Industry and CEO Profiteering”, by James Petras, dissidentvoice.org, 1/16/14

      [EXCERPTS] During the first half of the 20th century, socially conscious Jews in the United States organized a large network of solidarity and charity associations financed mostly through small donations, raffles, and dues by working and lower middle class supporters. Many of these associations dealt with the everyday needs of Jewish workers, immigrants, and families in need. . .
      . . . Over the past fifty years a far-reaching transformation has taken place within Jewish organizations, among its leaders and their practices and policies. Currently, Jewish leaders have converted charities, social aid-societies and overseas programs for working class Jews into money machines for self-enrichment; converted charities funding health programs for Jewish refugees fleeing Nazism into the funding of colonial settlements for armed Zionist zealots intent on uprooting Palestinians; and organized a powerful political machine which buys US Congress people and penetrates the Executive in order to serve Israeli military aims. From defending human rights and fighting fascism, the leaders of the principle Jewish organizations defend each and every Israeli violation of Palestinian human rights – from arbitrary arrests of non-violent dissidents to the detention of children in ‘cages.’ Israel’s Kafkaesque prolonged administration detention without trial is approved by contemporary leaders. In the past Jewish leaders, especially labor and socially-engaged activists had joined forces with Leftists in opposition to political bigots, McCarthyite purges and blacklists. Today’s leaders practice the very same bully, blackmail and blacklist politics against critics of Israel and its Zionist appendages.
      In the past Jewish leaders of social aid organizations received modest salaries . . .
      . . . The moderately social liberal Jewish weekly, The Forward, recently completed a survey of the salaries of Jewish “not-for profits” leaders, with the aid of a professor from the Wharton School of Business (University of Pennsylvania). Among the leading profiteers was Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) earning $688,280, Howard Kohr of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) — $556,232, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) — $504,445, Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) — $435,050, Janice Weinman of Hadassah — $410,000, Malcolm Hoenlein of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) — $400,815, Mark Helfield of the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society — $268,834 and Ann Toback of the Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring — $185,712. These salaries and perks put the Jewish leaders of non-profits in the upper 10% of US incomes — a far cry from the not-too-distant past. According to the analysis by the Forward and the Wharton team, ‘most leaders (CEOs) are vastly overpaid – earning more than twice what the head of an organization of their size would be expected to make”.
      While the membership has declined in many organizations, especially among working and lower middle class Jews, the funding has increased and most important the plutocratic leaders have embraced a virulent militarist foreign policy and repressive domestic policies. Forward describes Abraham Foxman as “diverting the ADL from its self-described mission of fighting all forms of bigotry in the US and abroad to putting the ADL firmly on the side of bigotry and intolerance.” . . .
      . . . The overwhelming response of the Jewish readers to the Forward’s survey was one of indignation, disgust, and anger. As one reader commented, “The economic disconnect between their (CEOs) salaries and the average incomes of those who contribute to their charities is unacceptable”. Another indignant reader remarked succinctly: “Gonifs! (Thieves!)”. Many announced they could cut off future donations. One formerly orthodox reader stated, “I would rather give to a street beggar than to any of these”.
      The drop-off of donations from lower-middle class Jews, however, will have little effect in reducing the salaries of the ‘non-profit’ CEO’s or changing the politics of their ‘non-profits; because they increasingly depend on six and seven digit contributions from Jewish millionaires and billionaires. Moreover, the contributions by big donors are linked to the politics of repression at home and securing multi-billion dollar military aid and trade programs for Israel from the US Treasury. The billionaire donors have no objection to funding the millionaire leaders – as long as they concentrate their efforts on buying the votes of US Congress members and aligning their politics with Israel’s war aims. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/the-israel-first-industry-and-ceo-profiteering/

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 14, 2015, 1:22 pm

      P.P.S. AND SEE: “Humanism Hangs in the Balance; Israel vs. Judaism”, by Norman Pollack, Counterpunch.org, March 23, 2015

      [EXCERPT] . . . Let’s go back to the day after the election, Jodi Rudoren’s New York Times article, “Win Sets Netanyahu on Path to Remake Israeli Government,” (Mar. 18), in which, despite evidence to the contrary, she offers the prospect of his having a freer hand to move toward the Center . . .

      . . . consider Jason Horowitz’s NYT article, “Do the Democrats and Israel Have a Future Together?,” (March 21), which reveals domestic forces of Reaction in full-court-press propaganda mode to bring the Democrats into line in support of Israel. . .

      . . . Horowitz has a stellar cast of notables seeking to patch up differences—Elliott Abrams (Bush adviser on the Middle East, and as I recall, back further, architect of repression in Latin America), Ann Lewis, (close to both Clintons), Malcolm Hoenlein (Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations), for starters, AIPAC, and crème de la crème, Pastor Hagee’s Christians United for Israel (CUFI), not to be gainsaid in organizing pressures on Israel’s behalf—a blue-ribbon effort by shock troops to influence US policy. Add John Boehner, Michele Bachman, Ted Cruz, and Lindsey Graham to the foregoing mix and one has a revelatory look at, more than a Netanyahu cheering section, what constitutes Israel’s appeal for Americans: surely not the religious principles and faith of Judaism per se, but the retrograde policies of ethnocentrism, xenophobia, and the application of force to resolve all problems and reduce all tensions.

      Horowitz writes, “While a deepening polarization among American Jews about Netanyahu [I’m skeptical of this] puts Obama’s potential successor, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a politically uncomfortable position, it is the transformation of Israel into a partisan issue that fills Democratic Jewish officials with dread.” This shouldn’t (mine), but for safety sake we see college campuses targeted, “trips of movie stars to Israel,” the usual, even African-Americans and Hispanics, an important part of the party base, enlisted in the cause, Republicans meanwhile active in pushing for a political realignment, as in Netanyahu’s speech to Congress, to bring Jews still further into their ranks . . .

      . . . My New York Times Comment on the Horowitz article, same date, follows:

      Hora circles and singing Hebrew anthems will not cover over the war crimes Israel has committed in Gaza, nor its ethnic cleansing in general. Why is it Israel has the most favorable support in America from extreme right-wing groups?

      As for liberal Democrats, support there confirms the bipartisan consensus on war, intervention, drone assassination. A liberal Democrat is a Republican in everything but name.

      I grieve for Judaism. It was not always thus. Like Dermer I was raised in Miami Beach but decades earlier, my parents hardworking successful Lincoln Road merchants from Minsk (Mom) and Pinsk (Dad). I was deeply proud, as a young radical, of my Jewish heritage.

      Why not! Jews from say 1900-60 stood in the forefront of humanistic philosophy and learning, interpreted Torah in universal terms favoring welcoming the stranger and helping the underdog. In the arts, Jews were in the forefront of music, art, literature. I mourned the execution of the Rosenbergs, and like many other young Jews I threw myself wholeheartedly into the civil rights struggle (yes picketing Woolworth’s in Harvard Square to Mississippi Freedom Summer and Selma) and antiwar movement.

      World Jewry today led by the example of Israel forfeits its Jewishness via slavish devotion to a Militaristic State which oppresses the proverbial Other. Adelson speaks for many–but not me. Let the charade of Israeli democracy go on. God knows better. God, oddly, has always been for the victims, not the oppressors.

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/23/israel-vs-judaism/

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 14, 2015, 1:55 pm

      “Heard any good stories about shifty-eyed Jews lately?”

      No, but I spent the entire evening thinking about how “Jewish sexual behavior is different” (pace “Jon s”), and I finally came up with one: Gentiles wait until they get home after the wedding to start smashing up the glassware, but that’s all I came up with.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 6:04 pm

        I saw that, marcb. Yes, I saw it, but I can’t afford to believe saw it. If I get that angry, I might have a syncope. Unbelievable! And in the New Yorker? Very sad.

    • lysias
      lysias
      April 14, 2015, 3:43 pm

      “I keep kosher, so I didn’t eat,” Hoenlein recalls, “but we had plenty to talk about.”

      Why doesn’t halal food count as kosher?

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 14, 2015, 3:59 pm

        Pork isn’t the only forbidden food. Kashrut prohibits dairy and meat combined, prohibits shell fish as well as other restrictions.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 6:07 pm

        “Why doesn’t halal food count as kosher?”

        Doesn’t have the right stamp on the package. That Circle “U” assures you of, well, something.

        Besides, it’s a sort of ice-breaker, you know, turning up your nose at the food you are offered, lets people know you are meeting in the right spirit.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        April 14, 2015, 6:14 pm

        I think kashrut is very unfair to shellfish.

        When it comes to lobbying , ritual Muslim and Jewish butchers are on the same team.

        It would be great if eating kosher made Jews moral but it’s ludicrous to think it could in the face of the evidence.

      • RockyMissouri
        RockyMissouri
        April 15, 2015, 1:22 pm

        When hospitality is offered, it’s extremely rude to decline.!! In fact, IMO, that gesture ALONE is very telling of the sincerity of the individual.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 10:36 pm

        I have been hungry in the past (and who knows what the future will bring?) and had to eat what was available.

      • lysias
        lysias
        April 16, 2015, 3:55 pm

        Halal food — which I have often eaten in Turkey and sometimes here in Maryland — can be delicious.

    • jayn0t
      jayn0t
      April 15, 2015, 12:53 am

      It doesn’t matter whether Hoenlein’s characterization of Iranians is ‘racist’. What matters is if it is true. Are Iranians better manipulators than Jews? However you answer that question is equally ‘racist’. But one answer is true, and the other one false.

  2. Steve Grover
    Steve Grover
    April 14, 2015, 1:10 pm

    Too bad these guys are such wusses and won’t politely tell POTUS to kiss our collective asses. The only reason POTUS gathered this group is because Hilary would like to have Jews voting for her and that ship my friends has sailed.

    • lysias
      lysias
      April 14, 2015, 3:46 pm

      I doubt if Hillary cares that much about Jews voting for her. The relatively small number of Jewish voters is largely concentrated in states that are pretty reliably blue.

      Jewish campaign donations, though. That’s another story.

      • April 14, 2015, 4:10 pm

        lysias. Don’t anger Steve with logical conclusions based on actual facts with common sense applied.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 14, 2015, 4:10 pm

        And it makes me wonder. I wonder why this happened very close to Hilary Clinton announcing.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      April 14, 2015, 5:24 pm

      And it makes me wonder. I wonder why this happened very close to Hilary Clinton announcing.

      Why don’t you wonder why this happened so close up the Corker Bill being voted in the Congress?

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      April 14, 2015, 5:25 pm

      Yeah no influence there

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 14, 2015, 6:15 pm

      “Too bad these guys are such wusses and won’t politely tell POTUS to kiss our collective asses.” Steve Grover.

      I’m sorry Steve, but could you tell us who the ” our collective asses” are you think the President of the United States should be told to kiss? I figure it includes your derriere, but who else? (Can’t say “butt” at Mondo)

      Whose “collective asses” should the President be told to kiss, Steve Grover? Why don’t you tell us, if you are brave enough, and we can see who this “collective” is?

      • Sulphurdunn
        Sulphurdunn
        April 14, 2015, 7:30 pm

        The asses of the people he went hat in hand to plead with? Those people?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 20, 2015, 9:50 pm

        Nope, Steve Grover is not brave enough to tell us which “collective” he represents. Didn’t think he would be.
        A patent coward is Grober.

  3. hophmi
    hophmi
    April 14, 2015, 1:18 pm

    “Last year two Haaretz writers said that the influence of American Jews over imperial policy fulfilled the caricatured belief contained in the notorious anti-semitic Russian forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

    And you seem to take the analogies seriously, as is your wont. That’s telling.

    How long are you going to continue to complain about how the media isn’t covering the Israel lobby while posting stories from the media covering the Israel lobby?

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      April 14, 2015, 2:42 pm

      I think it’s interesting that the ISraelis are covering this because it’s our problem, better than the US press

    • April 14, 2015, 4:11 pm

      hophmi. You are now including the comments of two writers for Haaretz as part of American mainstream media? Has it really come to that for you?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 8:26 pm

        Giles, we’d best be careful. We wouldn’t want to become the victims of a gentleman’s agreement.

    • eGuard
      eGuard
      April 14, 2015, 5:02 pm

      hophmi about how the media isn’t covering the Israel lobby. It’s “Jewish” all over, you’ve got to pull the “Protocols” card here.

      Don’t let it slip, hopmi. Remember: Everything for a War with Iran.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    April 14, 2015, 1:51 pm

    Once a year , Ireland,s leaders get top billing at the WH.

    Some 35 million Americans claim Irish heritage which is 7 times greater than those claiming Jewish heritage.Compare the level of access and you can see the imbalance and consequently the clout the Lobby has .Nothing antisemitic about stating this fact.

    The level of access available to Jewish orgs is bordering on the obscene .Why is Foxman there.The ADL ,(Anti Defamation League) is not a Jewish Org.

    Why are these people given the opportunity to attempt to screw up the efforts and wishes of France/Britain/China/Russia/ USA and Germany–a total of circa 2.2 billion people.I haven,t even added the rest of the EU and all the other nations who agree with the plan.Who cares what a pip squeak s–tstirring nation of 7 million think.

    Enough of this pandering to these war mongers and land thieves.

    • Steve Grover
      Steve Grover
      April 14, 2015, 3:21 pm

      @Amigo,
      I work with 2 guys who are Irish Americans. I went with them to Chicago’s South Irish parade in March. I was was in a crowded bar along the parade route after the parade to watch the Blackhawks game. They had CNN on and Netanyahu appeared on the screen. They were giving him the Chicago Bears and now Chicago Blackhawk woo woos like if Mike Ditka or Walter Payton or Patrick Kane appeared on the screen. I asked my friends why did he think they liked Netanyahu so much. They told be they are south side Irish and they are Daley Democrats and not Obama Democrats. They view Netanyahu as someone who stands up and protects his country unlike our current president.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 5:55 pm

        “I was was in a crowded bar along the parade route after the parade”

        I hope you had Tom Friedman’s cab driver take you home. Friends don’t let friends drive during syndrome episodes.

      • amigo
        amigo
        April 14, 2015, 6:43 pm

        “They view Netanyahu as someone who stands up and protects his country unlike our current president.”SG

        You must have met the only two unionists in Chicago or someone was pulling your leg. Either way your story is full of blarney.Nietanyahu is hated in Ireland and by most Irish people for obvious reasons.

        Hell, lie-berman says the Irish are a problem for Israel and surely you don,t doubt him , do you.

        “Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman has told his Irish counterpart Charlie Flanagan that Irish public opinion presents “difficulties” for the Jewish state.”.

        http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israeli-minister-cites-difficulties-with-irish-public-opinion-1.2107461

      • just
        just
        April 14, 2015, 6:51 pm

        “They view Netanyahu as someone who stands up and protects his country unlike our current president.”

        How is Mr. Obama not stand[ing] up and protect[ing] the US?

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 14, 2015, 6:52 pm

        Hey Amigo,
        Maybe South Side Irish and Ireland view Israel and Netanyahu differently. Have you been to Bridgeport lately?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        April 14, 2015, 6:58 pm

        They view Netanyahu as someone who stands up and protects his country unlike our current president.

        I think Steve means that Obama isn’t standing up for Israel as much as Netantayahu. Steve you apparently missed the memo that Netanyahu’s greatest fear is not that Iran would pose a threat to Israel but that it would stick to any final agreement and NOT threaten Israel.

        So it seems that Netanyahu as someone who stands up with Israel’s enemies against his country.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        April 14, 2015, 6:59 pm

        Yep, that story has all the hallmarks of fantasy. Wishful thinking, eh Stevey? Or was the whisky too much for a novice like you?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 14, 2015, 7:31 pm

        “.Nietanyahu is hated in Ireland and by most Irish people for obvious reasons. ”

        But Steve’s story wasn’t about Irish people. It was about Americans who pretend to be Irish.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        April 18, 2015, 10:33 am

        @Steve Grover : “I work with 2 guys who are Irish Americans.”

        Otherwise known in Ireland as ‘Plastic Paddies’.

        Google the term ‘plastic Paddy ‘ to get the full import of the intended disdain. (The Irish-born citizens of the RoI use this term all the time to refer to people born and raised in the US who call themselves ‘Irish-Americans’.)

        Just sayin….

        Froggy… who reads Mondoweiss but seldom comments

      • just
        just
        April 18, 2015, 12:13 pm

        Hi Froggy.

    • just
      just
      April 14, 2015, 4:46 pm

      Great points, amigo.

      SG~ maybe they were just floating your boat.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 5:59 pm

        Or maybe he was buying drinks. Na, much more probable, he’s just making it up. Drinks are expensive, commenting is free.

      • April 15, 2015, 9:40 am

        “But Steve’s story wasn’t about Irish people. It was about Americans who pretend to be Irish.’

        Another peculiar Zionist conceit.

        Americans who trace their ancestry to Ireland and whose families have been in America for one, two, three, four, or five generations are pretending to be Irish.

        Jews who trace their ancestry to Europe or Russia and whose families have been in America for one, two, three, four, or five generations have a “Right of Return” to Israel.

        You can’t make this shite up.

      • amigo
        amigo
        April 15, 2015, 3:08 pm

        Jews who trace their ancestry to Europe or Russia and whose families have been in America for one, two, three, four, or five generations have a “Right of Return” to Israel. “Giles

        American citizens of Irish descent can acquire Irish citizenship if their grandparents emigrated to America.BTW , religion has no role to play.Anyone who does not meet those requirements is s–t out of luck.But they are still welcome as the flowers in may and we will not put ID tags on their luggage or check their computers/Mobile phones or strip search them.

        But –no right of return to somewhere they have never been.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 15, 2015, 7:47 pm

        I wasn’t drinking too much whiskey. I like Scotch and I don’t like Irish Whiskey. You just don’t order Scotch at an Irish Bar. Guiness Stout is one of my favorite beers. I enjoyed 1 pint per period of the Blackhawks game. Since commentators point out that the real Irish of Ireland don’t like Israel much, I’ll go along with what they say. Instead of going to Ireland, I’ll enjoy my pints of Guiness with Irish Chicagoans, in Tel Aviv, in Efrat, in Yerushalayim, in Netanya, in Hevron, Kibbutz Yagur, Eilat and maybe if I go to the Stones concert in Israel I’ll sneak a couple in.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 10:43 pm

        “Jews who trace their ancestry to Europe or Russia and whose families have been in America for…”

        Or maybe my family was so broke and broken by the time we got to America that we can’t “trace our ancestry” to anywhere. All that “trace their ancestry” stuff is great, if you can afford it. I leave it to the balbetim Besides, from what little I’ve heard about my “ancestry”, I really don’t want to know the story.
        Of course, I could make up something very touching and picaresquely ethnic, if you want.

  5. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    April 14, 2015, 1:54 pm

    Well, face it, the Elders of Zion are experts at Protocol and are today alive and well and active whatever may once before have been the case. You don’t need a forgery today. These guys have power, they know it, and they don’t care who else knows it. No fear at showing it. Over the top is OK for them.

    President Obama has 20 months left and a UNSC veto to use (and abuse) or to withhold and perhaps do some good. He can also speak to the nation. fireside chats. He has no personal election to gather campaign funds for. He has no legislative program to push through Congress. He can begin to set the agenda for the 2016 presidential campaigns (of others).

    We’ll see what he chooses, Action or passivity.

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      April 14, 2015, 2:10 pm

      My only question is this: Which of these bozos is the actual minister plenipotentiary of G*d? I mean there are so many of them! Who among them actually speaks for G*d? I hope they all lie awake at night worrying about that question.

      On the other hand if they came away convinced that prudence lies in not pushing against the P5+1, then maybe Obama won the arm-wrestling with the m(s)-pp-of-G.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 10:48 pm

        “Which of these bozos is the actual minister plenipotentiary of G*d?”

        Well, first of all, let’s get clarified on which Diety they is plenipotentiarying for! Now, You said “G*d”, right? Just to make sure, you didn’t mean “G-d” or “G-D” or even (hey, it’s what this sunken sin world has come to) “God” or “GOD”?

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 14, 2015, 6:32 pm

      Accidental duplicate post.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 8:29 pm

        “Accidental duplicate post.”

        I have trouble, occasionally, with a post not ending up where I thought it would, due to using the wrong reply button.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 16, 2015, 7:04 pm

      I see Obama as passionately sincere in his concern about anti-Jewish bigotry. This reflects his deep awareness of racial bigotry, and his consequent deep concern for bigotry of ALL types. A key part of his mission as a peacemaker must be to assure the Jewish people that they are safe, and he must work as hard at this as Netanyahu works to scare them. Samantha Power’s recent talk at AIPAC was almost entirely devoted to emphasizing that the Obama administration deeply understands the Holocaust and their fears, and is genuinely committed to their physical security, which I believe it is. She mentioned “the settlements are not helpful” once, leaving open the door to that important discussion.

      Obama is trying to deftly thread a nuclear-tipped needle, and he is clearly working very hard at it. And he is, almost miraculously, maintaining his cool despite the barrage of character assassination directed at him. He seems to be operating at a different level of maturity than almost everyone else in the game.

      Peace with Iran would be a SERIOUS blow to the Military Industrial Complex’s plans for more wars. Thereby it would bend the arc of events toward peace and away from war. Right now is a major battle in the war of ideas in the Middle East.

  6. geofgray
    geofgray
    April 14, 2015, 2:09 pm

    Samantha Power cries crocodile tears over Jewish suffering, Obama speaks about ” how deeply he feels about Israel and the Jewish people and anti-Semitism.”
    With all these people like crazed teenagers going gaga over the Jewish people, how can the Jewish people think they have any fear of antisemitism?

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      April 14, 2015, 5:22 pm

      ” how can the Jewish people think they have any fear of antisemitism?”

      Because someday all this so-very-well-enforced a**-kissing will get “old” and the result will be an about face, and that will be called antisemitism. They’re worried about something that they are busy bring about. I believe that in politics, even hard-right power politics, there is a fine art in not going too far. These guys don’t have that art. Similar to the Israeli soldiers who cannot stop shooting at kids.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        April 14, 2015, 5:54 pm

        “They’re worried about something that they are busy bring about “-

        http://www.johnkay.com/2011/02/02/those-at-the-nucleus-may-not-have-the-best-view

        “Real understanding lies in finding simplifications that bring order to disparate facts. Such was the nature of Rutherford’s discovery and of his understanding; and why he felt able to reveal his findings to the Manchester Library and Philosophical Society. But Rutherford’s task was easier in one important sense: the world he laboured to make sense of was unchanging and unaffected by our understanding, if not necessarily our observation, of it. The same is not true of business and finance.” Or Zionist influence

        Jewish plutocracy and stagnant wages on Main St are an unstable combination.

        Inequality has gone too high, too far , too soon

        Why empires fall.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 8:32 pm

        Thing is “pabelmont” there doesn’t even need to be a backlash for Zionism to collapse. The only thing needed is a little bit less ass-kissing. They need so much for their Israel project, that simply being treated as they deserve would destroy the thing. No backlash needed. But a lot less ass-kissing would be nice.

  7. jaspeace2day
    jaspeace2day
    April 14, 2015, 2:58 pm

    …and with regards to the long expired anti-semitism card, this video from democracynow sums it up all too well!

    • just
      just
      April 14, 2015, 4:51 pm

      Thanks for bringing that clip here, jaspeace2day.

      RIP, Shulamit Aloni.

    • piotr
      piotr
      April 19, 2015, 10:52 am

      The formalistic attitude to “expiration date” is not applicable in most situations. Here is an annotation to English translation of “Master and Margarita” by Bulgakov:

      “They supplied sturgeon of the second freshness”

      Sturgeon of the second freshness or, in Russian: Осетрину прислали второй свежести became one of the many popular sayings from Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita after its first publication. It was common in the Soviet Union to classify things into grades, by which the lesser categories could have a positive name anyway.

      That said, only few guests availed themselves of the highly regarded fish (if a little past its prime), and those who did, had reasons to regret. But for those with well trained stomachs, anti-Semitism accusation can be digested without diarrhea, vomiting etc.

  8. shalom
    shalom
    April 14, 2015, 3:15 pm

    Nah. AIPAC is a powerful lobby, not as powerful as the NRA or AARP or the Business Roundtable, but no doubt it’s up there. But even though J Street only represents a small left wing splinter group and JVP is clearly two steps further to the left there are a lot of liberal members on the staff and boards of Federations around the country, in hundreds of synagogues and JCCs. There is broad support for Israel but also broad and increasing interest in seeking and making peace. Iran is a big bad actor that already received a commitment from the Russians to get its S-300 air defense missile system. It is not a friendly game. Israel is a US ally and should be a part of the conversation even if a deal would have been easier without them. For it to be the right deal it has to work and I believe that S 615 as massaged by Senators Corker/Cardin should create a bi-partisan solution that helps the President in the long run by giving him and Secretary Kerry some Congressional cover vis-a-vis negotiation of the final written version of the P5+1 agreement on nuclear limitations with Iran.

    • April 14, 2015, 4:16 pm

      Nonsense. AIPAC on its own is the most powerful lobby in DC and it is merely the tip of the iceberg of the Zionist power configuration. The NRA’s power is greatly over-stated in the media. The NRA could disappear tomorrow and you would still have tens of millions (over 100 million?) of Americans opposing any attempt to limit their access to those guns they love so much. If American business interests were more powerful than the Lobby, then they would be doing business in Iran and Russia without restrictions. Israel is not our ally, it is our albatross or worse.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 14, 2015, 4:49 pm

        @Giles
        The next thing you know they’ll replace the all American Hot Dog with the all American Gefilte Fish!

      • just
        just
        April 14, 2015, 4:56 pm

        +1, Giles!

        shalom~ most folks here know the facts.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 14, 2015, 6:38 pm

        US main media is full of criticism of the NRA while AIPAC is never criticize there.

      • April 15, 2015, 10:22 am

        “The next thing you know they’ll replace the all American Hot Dog with the all American Gefilte Fish!”

        Classic example of the high quality of the arguments posted by Zionist apologists.

      • annie
        annie
        April 15, 2015, 11:41 am

        steve, but there’s nothing “all american” about aipac, now is there?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        April 16, 2015, 2:40 am

        steve, but there’s nothing “all american” about aipac, now is there.

        One could argue there is Annie – the very worst parts of America, where everything can be bought for a price – including the world’s most expensive rent-a-crowd (Congress).

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        April 15, 2015, 7:55 pm

        @g

        you can spout “nonsense” all you want about apaic but if you bother to read about which lobbies are the most powerful and spend the most money to influence U congress you will find apaic is far down the list from insurance, big-Pharma , NRA, big-oil, big-Lawyers, etc. If you want to know which lobby gets the most press coverage-mostly negative, then it is probably a tie between big-oil and apaic . In your own obsession with Israel you believe your own deluded sense of proportion. Does apaic have more power in congress compared to the proportion of Jews in the US and the relative small size of Israel? On that point, maybe there is a point of discussion, but not any discussion that thinks apaic is the ‘most’ powerful.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        April 17, 2015, 1:41 am

        you can spout “nonsense” all you want about apaic but if you bother to read about which lobbies are the most powerful and spend the most money to influence U congress you will find apaic is far down the list from insurance, big-Pharma , NRA, big-oil, big-Lawyers, etc.

        You wanna bet? Sheldon Adelson said he would spend 100 million alone to get his man elected. What lobby comes close to that?

        If you want to know which lobby gets the most press coverage-mostly negative, then it is probably a tie between big-oil and apaic .

        Big oil? Since when it big oil even mentioned?

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 15, 2015, 8:18 pm

        Annie,
        A=American

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 10:53 pm

        “with the all American Gefilte Fish!”

        They need to get my Aunt’s recipe. She made a wonderful, really tasty gefilte fish (and homemade horseradish) Nothing at all like the faintly ichthyological pablum which comes from the store.

      • annie
        annie
        April 16, 2015, 9:54 am

        i beg to differ shingo. israel is not part of america, even the very worst parts of America. it’s a separate country – not “all american”.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        April 16, 2015, 10:59 am

        @Phil Weiss,
        Here is a story for you. Mooser and I have found common ground! We agree about Gefilte Fish!

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        April 17, 2015, 2:31 am

        @dabakr

        I don’t think I have ever heard of big oil mentioned as a lobby group so it’s rather odd you say it is tied for being the most mentioned.

        Not really my purpose in responding however as I would rather point out that given the concentration of wealth it is more than a little naive to think these varioud lobby groups are mutually exclusive.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 14, 2015, 6:22 pm

      “Shalom, Shalom, you”ll find Shalom, the nicest greeting you know. It means ‘hello’, ‘salut’,/i> and…. oh sorry, just musing.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        April 14, 2015, 6:30 pm

        “Shalom” is the worst possible greeting for an ideology such as Zionism which breathes “fuck you” through every sweaty and grubby pore.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 8:38 pm

        Seafoid, if you go to the end of the “faithwashing” thread, “shalom” tells us who he is, and his outreach qualifications. Quite impressive.

        “Shalom”: “I don’t work for Hillel or any Jewish group per se. I have a small non profit; ICMEP, the Interfaith Community for Middle East Peace that has promoted interfaith relations here in the Philadelphia area through facilitated Interfaith Conversations, – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/faithwashing-leadership-institute#sthash.Ga5ok6Dw.dpuf

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 8:48 pm
      • RockyMissouri
        RockyMissouri
        April 15, 2015, 1:29 pm

        Actual Irish are with the Palestinians…

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      April 14, 2015, 7:21 pm

      “Iran is a big bad actor ”

      If we exclude Iran’s opposition to Israel, what bad things has Iran done to the world?

      “that already received a commitment from the Russians to get its S-300 air defense missile system.”

      Should have had them years ago.

      ” It is not a friendly game. ”

      Friendly to Russia and China. Or don’t they count?

      “Israel is a US ally ”

      No it isn’t. Israel has never done anything for the U.S. Iran assisted the U.S. in the early stages of the Afghanistan war, and right now is fighting against ISIS.

      • Walid
        Walid
        April 14, 2015, 8:43 pm

        “that already received a commitment from the Russians to get its S-300 air defense missile system.” Should have had them years ago. ” (RoHa)

        I’m not sure they haven’t had them all along; now they are just finding a roundabout way of taking them out of the closet. Wasn’t there talk a few years back that although Russia wouldn’t supply them because of the embargo, they would teach the Iranians how to produce them themselves? I wouldn’t be surprised if Hizbullah already has some of those too.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 17, 2015, 1:24 pm

        Outdated missile system; no existential threat at all to Israel who always has latest defense & aggression war systems, courtesy of US MOM (Memo of understanding).

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      April 14, 2015, 11:28 pm

      Iran is a big bad actor that already received a commitment from the Russians to get its S-300 air defense missile system.

      A bad actors as opposed to whom? Saudi Arabia? Israel? And what is the issue you have with Iran having air defence systems other than the fact they might thwart an Israeli attack?

      It is not a friendly game.

      Friendly with whom and in what game? The anti ISIS game or the pro ISIS game like Israel and Saudi Arabia are?

      Israel is a US ally and should be a part of the conversation even if a deal would have been easier without them.

      Not unless Israel signs the NPT otherwise, it has no business being involved. Israel don’t want to be part of any conversation that doesn’t involve bombing Iran.

      For it to be the right deal it has to work and I believe that S 615 as massaged by Senators Corker/Cardin should create a bi-partisan solution that helps the President in the long run by giving him and Secretary Kerry some Congressional cover vis-a-vis negotiation of the final written version of the P5+1 agreement on nuclear limitations with Iran.

      Cut the crap. The GOP controlled Senate want only one thing – to destroy the deal. The only deal they will consider the right deal is the one the Iranians cannot accept.

      • annie
        annie
        April 15, 2015, 12:40 am

        israel wants for iran what it got with iraq. to turn it back decades and destroy it.

        the million+ dead? phff.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        April 15, 2015, 11:25 am

        You said it , Annie . Israel wants to destroy Iran for the sake of destroying it. Sowing trauma elsewhere in the region to go with Gaza and Lebanon and the West Bank and Egypt and Iraq. Because they can.

        And this is supposed to secure a Jewish state into eternity.

        Nothing gentle or mindful about Zionism. It’s more like cancer

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 17, 2015, 1:31 pm

        Divide & Conquer & By Way Of Deception–Israel always pull out all stops; the problem is, US rubber-stamp is getting blurred–Russia, China, India, the alternatives to the petro dollar rule & Greece as just the beginning of a blowback from the way the global 1% operate….US acts like it’s not deeply in debt to, say China, and as if our tired Hessian Army can do a neo-Battle of the Bulge–has Hillary called for all females of age to register for the draft, on pain of losing out on Fed Pell & other grants? LOL. She’s driving to Maumee, Ohio & entering Mexican fast tood places incognito….& parroting very vaguely Warren’s populist attack on big banking! It will only get worse, much worse, for the average American–Palestinians? They don’t exist!

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      April 15, 2015, 12:12 am

      I know others have commented on these points but I have to do a me too on it.

      In what way is Iran acquiring defensive weapons a bad thing. Do you consider it a provocation? If defensive weapons are a provocation isn’t iron dome the greatest provocation in the middle east? Do you fear defensive weapons? Do you feel threatened by something that won’t ever be used against you?

      It is risible that you feel Israel deserves a say in negotiations being held under the NPT when Israel refuses to sign onto the NPT. A perfect example of the special privilege demanded by zionists and the GoI. And when said special privilege is not forthcoming the whining commences as the laughably aggreived group feels it is discriminated against for not being recognized as the special people that they are.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 17, 2015, 1:50 pm

        LOL. The AIPAC dollars are not free, no more than Adelson’s, Soros’s. Sabam’s. Koch Bros’s are those dollars all demand that one assume Israel does nothing but defend itself against whomever the latest AIPAC-labled Hitier is. Bibi’s recent speech, a recent subject on this web site , incapsulates the Zionist mentality. What’s missing is informed consent by Dick and Jane–instead we get hasbasra on US mainstream news shows, 24/7…

  9. ivri
    ivri
    April 14, 2015, 5:29 pm

    I refuse to accept seriously the argument about a mystically great influence of the Jewish/Pro-Israel lobby on US politics. This apparent power of it, or 90% of it, stems from compatibility with goals and standpoints of others. There are deep reasons why support of Israel not only sits well with many Americans but appears to them as an essential interest of the US itself – not necessarily in the direct physicals sense of things but in more fundamental, conceptual and psychological, ways. That is why the Israel lobby and Netanyahu have such disproportionate impact – they simply serve, or are useful for, the advancement of broader interests and goals of others.
    It has been lucky for Israel to hit this concurrence of interests, or it (and US supporters) has been clever and effective enough to have it highlighted well.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      April 14, 2015, 8:18 pm

      Yeah, you’re right, huge Zionist donations to any American politician parroting hasbara does not matter, nor does deprivation of same from critics of Israel. Follow the money has no meaning in the US political arena.

  10. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    April 14, 2015, 6:09 pm

    If you had asked Yitz Rabin why he pursued the Oslo agreement, he would have told you, because the Palestinians don’t pose an existential threat, Iran’s nuke poses the existential threat and to meet the existential threat we must make movement on the Palestinian issue.

    The Iranian nuke is a highly unusual circumstance. Netanyahu’s gauche unthinking visit to the Congress served notice at least of this: the Iranian nuke is a highly unusual circumstance.

    My own reaction is precisely (like Peter Beinart’s) that the American people’s opinions should be reflected by their elected representatives. I also must insist that the war against Iraq weakened American strength and resolve and if the Axis of Evil speech had been truly serious (it wasn’t, it was merely an excuse to go to war against Iraq, but if it had been) that would have been the moment to declare the necessity of Iran agreeing to dismantle its nuclear program. Resolve at that moment would have paid off more handsomely than this agreement which seems to make Iran a threshold state in 13 years.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 15, 2015, 12:54 am

      “Resolve at that moment would have paid off more handsomely than this agreement which seems to make Iran a threshold state in 13 years.”

      Oh, everybody had plenty of resolve, we just lacked a leader! Everybody was waiting for you lead the charge and be the first martyr to the cause.

      Of course, if you think telling other people, Iranians and Americans, to get themselves killed for your amusement will work, please, continue on that basis. I’m sure Americans have no higher aspiration than to die for Yonah.

      Okay Yonah? Are you ready to lead the charge into Iran? If not, please button it, okay?

  11. just
    just
    April 14, 2015, 6:11 pm

    More coverage of this gag- worthy event

    “Obama, in ‘therapeutic’ meetings with U.S. Jewish leaders, stresses how much he cares
    Jewish leaders expected U.S. president to sell them hard on the Iran deal. Instead, he offered a softer pitch on how deeply he cares for Israel and the Jewish people.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.651821?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Just raise the Israeli flag over the White House and on Capitol Hill and be done with it.

  12. italian ex-pat
    italian ex-pat
    April 14, 2015, 6:13 pm

    Well guys, here’s another piece of news to show you the power of the Israel lobby, as if we didn’t know that already.
    After Obama’s PLEADING yesterday to the Jewish organizations to support the Iran deal, guess what? This afternoon, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved the bill sponsored by Sen. Corker that requires the Iran ‘deal’ to be submitted to Congress for approval before the June 30 deadline. Which means no lifting of sanctions until the deal is ‘approved’. And Obama has agreed to sign it! How do you spell capitulation? Not that he had much choice, after even all the Democratic Senators were in favor. With the kind of Congress we have, what are the chances the deal, as it was agreed upon by the 5 nations involved, will be honored? Congress will first have to run it by Netanyahu, of course.
    And what about the European countries who worked for months on it? Russia was ready to lift sanctions already, now what? What other conclusion can be reached, other than the USA’s word is not to be taken seriously. I do hope the other countries go ahead regardless, the US can always count on Israel for support. Right?
    I am waiting with sooo much optimism for Congress’ decision!

  13. April 14, 2015, 6:31 pm

    Phil wrote – Obama met yesterday for hours with Malcolm Hoenlein and Haim Saban and other Jewish leaders to try and back his Iran deal. The Israel lobby has never been more obvious, but where is the US press?

    Let me explain it to you. The US media is controlled by Jews and they don’t want you to know about this. Because if you were able to analyze it, you would be angry. So the MSM treat it lightly as their bosses would like them to. Many Jews in the media have a huge conflict of interest and most of them ignore this aberration and deny their own irrational support of Israel which often defies reason, truth and facts on the ground.

  14. Neil Schipper
    Neil Schipper
    April 14, 2015, 6:33 pm

    Philip Weiss levels the charge — twice — that the rich powerful Jewish Zionists are behind an alteration of the president’s calendar:

    .. he cleared his schedule for Jewish leaders ..

    .. the President is clearing his calendar to talk to Jewish leaders ..

    Nowhere in the article is any evidence provided that an alteration of the president’s calendar took place.

    The confabulist-fanaticist tail appears to be wagging the truthspeaking dog.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      April 14, 2015, 11:20 pm

      Philip Weiss levels the charge — twice — that the rich powerful Jewish Zionists are behind an alteration of the president’s calendar

      Yeah right Neil,

      I am sure this was just a coincidental pow wow with people who happen to rich powerful Jewish Zionists .

      What other reason would he have to meet with Jewish leaders?

      Nowhere in the article is any evidence provided that an alteration of the president’s calendar took place.

      So how often does he meet with these people?

  15. Citizen
    Citizen
    April 14, 2015, 6:42 pm

    Interesting that while Establishment Jewish leaders in USA form a matrix of very powerful interest so that Obama has to court them & US congress has to bow to the Israeli leader in public, and in the Congress domain itself, despite this mirroring of The Protocals, there’s so little anti-semitism in the USA. I mean, how far does this have to go before the fiction-fact thing turns on a light bulb over the 98% of non-Jewish America? And then what?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 19, 2015, 12:23 pm

      “there’s so little anti-semitism in the USA.”

      Want me to explain it to you Citizen? Okay I will. If you want anti-semitism, the first thing you will need to do is create a second-class citizenship for us Jews, so the anti-semitic actions taken will have the cloak of legality, and will be profitable. I’m not sure simply making discrimination legal again would go far enough.

      There is one other way, but I think this is exceptionally rare, Hostage or somebody might know where it occurred: You give the Jews all sorts of privileges and status until a populist violence turns against them, but you don’t protect the Jews from that violence. Ooops, jokes on us.

      I’m not an expert, but I think those are the two choices. Basically, to get any practical results out of anti-semitism, the government (and in the old days, probably in conjunction with an Estanlished religion) usually leads the way by making Jews a “people” and giving them reduced rights and enforcing seperatism. The US civil rights laws might be an impediment to that course of action.

  16. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    April 14, 2015, 7:30 pm

    I would like to know we middle-aged black chicks get a “veto.” What are we, chopped liver?

    I’ve seen church ladies on the warpath, Aipac’s got nothing on them.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      April 14, 2015, 8:22 pm

      Yeah, it does: lotsa $

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 11:17 am

        “Yeah, it does: lotsa $”

        Maybe, maybe, but I’ve been around long enough to see what the church ladies can do. Don’t count them out, ever!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 17, 2015, 10:38 am

        And, I might mention, my Aunt made a delicious chopped liver, too. And I’m not that enthusiastic about chopped liver.

      • just
        just
        April 17, 2015, 10:55 am

        Please make available your Aunt’s recipes, mooser.

        (I am a fan of chopped liver and gefilte fish with fresh horseradish)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 18, 2015, 12:47 pm

        “Please make available your Aunt’s recipes, mooser.”

        She (Ale-ha Ha-sholom, Hannah) is long gone, and the recipes lost to mankind, or grouchy.
        Although it was hard to eat that gefilte fish and stay grouchy.

  17. Donald
    Donald
    April 14, 2015, 8:31 pm

    Anyone besides me expect to see a compromise that involves throwing the Palestinians under the bus? Obama wants Congressional support for his Iran negotiations–maybe he gets it by returning to the U.S. role of being Israel’s lapdog in the UN on the Pakestinian issue, just as Rudoren was lobbying for in the NYT recently.

  18. Jabberwocky
    Jabberwocky
    April 14, 2015, 11:32 pm

    That Jews can affect a nation’s decision to go to war is of course an anti-Semitic trope

    They are doing this as Zionists and not as Jews. Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic.

    That Israel firsters can act against the interest of the USA should be made clear to the American public. The Zionists want to spend US money and lives in the interests of a third country and American citizens are acting against the best interests of the USA.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 15, 2015, 10:59 pm

      “They are doing this as Zionists and not as Jews.”

      How I wish that was true. However, it is unfortunately, and tragically true that Zionists have no problem using the Jewish religion for their purposes, and again tragically, many Jewish religious figure, Rabbis, are more than willing to be complicit in Zionist crimes.
      I don’t like it, but I don’t think that is an unfair statement to make.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 17, 2015, 2:06 pm

        I guess,unfortunately for those who like a simple picture, Zionism is one form of Judaism, somewhere in the strain between “Everybody’s made in God’s Image” and Talmudic theory on Goys with lesser, more animal souls? Toss in the Holocaust, the Nakba, what do we get? A former Israeli jazz man? Or son of a top Israeli leader, speaking at the last Conference on Israel rejected for show by CSPAN?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 18, 2015, 12:49 pm

        “A former Israeli jazz man?”

        He may be a “former Israeli” but he’s still a jazz man, Atzmon plays and records all the time.

  19. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    April 15, 2015, 12:21 am

    wow I didn’t realize Abe Foxman was an expert in nuclear weapons and international law. Do nukes defame people?

  20. just
    just
    April 15, 2015, 6:58 am

    Man the portholes and have the ipecac handy! (better bring your bikini, too!)

    “JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel is pleased at a compromise deal on Iran achieved between the United States Congress and the administration of President Barack Obama, Israeli Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz said on Wednesday.

    In what was seen as a setback for Obama, the U.S. president agreed on Tuesday that Congress should have the power to review a nuclear deal with Iran, reluctantly giving in to pressure from Republicans and some in his own party over the barbed issue.

    “We are certainly happy this morning. This is an achievement for Israeli policy,” Steinitz told Israel Radio, citing a March 3 speech by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Congress in which he argued against a then-emerging framework agreement with Tehran on curbing its nuclear program.

    Steinitz said the compromise bill would be “a very important element in preventing a bad deal”, or at least in improving the April 2 blueprint that world powers charted with Iran. …”

    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-happy-compromise-deal-between-congress-obama-minister-052134425.html

    • just
      just
      April 15, 2015, 7:37 am

      “The Iranian president has said Tehran would not accept a comprehensive nuclear deal with major powers if all sanctions imposed on Tehran were not lifted, state television has reported.

      “If there is no end to sanctions, there will not be an agreement,” Hassan Rouhani said in a televised speech on Wednesday. “The end of these negotiations and a signed deal must include a declaration of cancelling the oppressive sanctions on the great nation of Iran.”

      Iran wants sanctions that include nuclear-related UN resolutions as well as US and EU nuclear-related economic sanctions to be lifted immediately. The US says sanctions against Iran will be removed gradually.

      In what was seen as a setback for Barack Obama, the US president agreed on Tuesday that Congress should have the power to review any deal with Iran, backing down to pressure from Republicans and some in his own party.

      The move blocks Obama’s ability to waive many US sanctions on Tehran while Congress reviews the deal. It also allows Congress a final vote on whether to lift sanctions imposed by US legislators.

      Rouhani said this was an internal issue for Washington. “What the US Senate, Congress and others say is not our problem. We want mutual respect … We are in talks with the major powers and not with the Congress,” Rouhani said, adding that Iran wanted to end its isolation by having “constructive interaction with the world and not confrontation”.

      The Israeli intelligence minister, Yuval Steinitz, said on Wednesday that his country was pleased with the Congress deal. Israel was critical of a preliminary accord reached between Iran and world powers on 2 April, saying it would not prevent Tehran from developing nuclear weapons. …”

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/15/iranian-president-says-no-nuclear-agreement-without-end-to-all-sanctions

      Iran should not back down from its entirely rational position. jmo.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 15, 2015, 9:19 am

        || just:

        … “If there is no end to sanctions, there will not be an agreement,” Hassan Rouhani said in a televised speech on Wednesday. “The end of these negotiations and a signed deal must include a declaration of cancelling the oppressive sanctions on the great nation of Iran.”

        . . .

        “What the US Senate, Congress and others say is not our problem. We want mutual respect … We are in talks with the major powers and not with the Congress,” Rouhani said, adding that Iran wanted to end its isolation by having “constructive interaction with the world and not confrontation”.

        Iran should not back down from its entirely rational position. jmo. ||

        I agree.

  21. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 15, 2015, 10:00 am

    “he is effectively using American Jews as a “political football” in an attempt to alienate Netanyahu. Any criticism of the Congressional Republicans for doing the same was fully justified. But in copying them the President just surrendered the moral high ground.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/obama-netanyahu-and-the-disappearance-of-statesmanship/

  22. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 15, 2015, 10:01 am

    There are more

    “Spying under pressure
    The latest story to hit the press, of Israel spying on the Iran negotiations, has a similar element of unfairness.

    Whether the Israelis spied on the negotiations or not is one issue. Israeli officials have denied that this took place.

    I confess, however, that I would probably do so if I felt that my existential existence was threatened. America’s National Security Agency (NSA,) after all, spied on all our allies when our country’s very existence was not threatened.

    The Obama administration’s complaint is that the Israelis shared what they discovered with other parties – with the Republicans, countries involved in the negotiations and, presumably, anyone else who might be concerned about a deal with Iran. They have presented no evidence that the Israelis have done this.

    But you have to ask yourself these questions: what would you do if you were deeply impacted by the outcome of a negotiation, yet excluded from participating in the discussion? What would you do if you had in front of you an American president who was not talking to you, yet seemed to be ready to impose an outcome that might give your greatest enemies the means to destroy you? What would you do if you had a president who was ready to agree to a settlement but did not have to live with its consequences because he won’t be president in ten years? What would you do then if you discovered something that might sabotage that settlement? I suspect you might publicize whatever you thought might help you.

    Netanyahu is obviously deeply frustrated by the fact that the negotiations are taking place and Israel is not a participant. He has to put his country’s security in the hands of governments (think France, Germany and the United Kingdom) whose countries are experiencing a growth in anti-Semitism, have historically criticized Israel and are often sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Netanyahu would prefer a rock-solid advocate on his side and has been busy sending Israeli government representatives to these capitals in an effort to harden their position.

    Whether he is right or wrong, Netanyahu sees the fate of his country’s future in the balance. But while Obama makes reassuring noises to everyone else, he now very publicly snubs the leadership of the very country most at risk. He would rather do this than diplomatically – and effectively – reassure Israelis and America’s Jews, among his staunchest supporters, that his diplomatic support for Israel at the UN is not wavering.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/obama-netanyahu-and-the-disappearance-of-statesmanship/

  23. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 15, 2015, 10:03 am

    and more “Instead his focus is on talking to the Iranian people directly; negotiating with Iran’s political leadership while the New York Times commends Iran’s religious leadership for saying nothing at all; speaking “candidly” to the Huffington Post about Netanyahu and refusing to accept Netanyahu’s effort to recant his dreadful comments.

    Over the last six years our president has worked with controversial figures such as Cuba’s Raul Castro, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Afghanistan’s Hamid Karzai.

    Only this week the president described Lee Kuan Yew, who ruled Singapore with an iron fist, as a “giant of history.”

    Apparently, the only person Obama doesn’t want to talk to or work with is the democratically elected Benjamin Netanyahu in a transparent attempt to isolate or alienate him.

    When personal animosity overrides the office, then something is seriously wrong”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/obama-netanyahu-and-the-disappearance-of-statesmanship/

  24. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 15, 2015, 10:04 am

    “I’m confident, by the way, that presumptive candidate Hilary Clinton is not thanking the president for playing into the hands of the cynical Republican efforts to peel away Jewish support from the Democratic Party. And if President Obama keeps up the grandstanding then I predict that despite their dislike of Netanyahu, many American Jews will be drawn towards supporting a socially moderate Republican whom they can trust to defend Israel.

    As President Obama would be the first to say, you don’t play politics when it comes to national security. And, I might add, you don’t accuse your friends when you are guilty of sins yourself.

    By Simon Reich, Rutgers University

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/obama-netanyahu-and-the-disappearance-of-statesmanship/

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      April 15, 2015, 1:35 pm

      DISASTROUS.

    • SonofDaffyDuck
      SonofDaffyDuck
      April 18, 2015, 1:56 pm

      The equation of Obama’s defending American interests against the interference of a foreign power with “Grandstanding” may be described–euphemistically–as Curious. However, I agree that such behavior is admittedly shocking since it is so unique in recent US history. But not to worry…Hilary indicates that she will readily come to heel.

      Further down, It is not a matter of defending Israel. It is a matter of defending Israeli hegemony………at all costs.

  25. seafoid
    seafoid
    April 15, 2015, 12:07 pm

    There is a real patronizing angle to Zionist discussion about Iran- Iranians are shifty, they can’t think strategically, they have no rights to power, only Israel is special.

    Give us a break.

  26. Citizen
    Citizen
    April 17, 2015, 4:56 pm

    AIPAC shows it’s grand power within the US plutocratic government and its pivotal gear, the US campaign finance system–follow the money.

  27. SonofDaffyDuck
    SonofDaffyDuck
    April 18, 2015, 1:46 pm

    This absolutely must get into the conversation!
    FBI director James Comey revealed that all new FBI agents must undergo “Holocaust” Sensitivity Training (Haaretz 4-17-15), calling it the “most significant event in history.”
    This is the same Comey who, as a prosecutor went after two AIPAC operatives in a spy case some years ago.

    To speak to this is not to denegrate the Horrors of the Holacaust. However, in this context one has to wonder whether the behavior of Mr. Comey is his Sackcloth-and-Ashes penance extracted by the Lobby for his sins against them so that he might demonstrate his total subjugation and allegiance to save his career from their wrath.

  28. piotr
    piotr
    April 19, 2015, 1:31 pm

    There is some dispute if “Iran is a bad actor”, so I was curious if there is any way to resolve it objectively. I applied “google test”. The search was swamped with a multitude of candidates, so I narrowed it down to “worst actor” in “image” search — if they are so bad, the point can be illustrated with a photo. This is the top hit:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/02/razzie_awards_will_and_jaden_smith_named_wors_actors_of_the_year.html
    Importantly, it gives a suggestion that bad acting can be inherited. From Darwinian perspective, it means that in some ecological niches bad acting is reproductively beneficial. Do they mate with worst actresses?

    This second hit suggest how Iran would look like as a worst actor (but the oriental in the photo is actually from India):
    http://www.santabanta.com/bollywood/97955/nominees-for-worst-actors-of-2014/

    Can we objectively evaluate the acting skills of Israel as “tiny abused state with millions of square miles of sand seething to exterminate it”? I would say that they lines perhaps stink, but the acting is superb.

  29. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 22, 2015, 1:34 pm

    Declaring Independence from Israel
    It’s Way Overdue!
    By Philip Giraldi • March 31, 2015
    http://www.unz.com/article/declaring-independence-from-israel/

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