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  1. Kay24
    May 26, 2015, 11:23 am

    Give an inch, they take a mile (and miles), just like the land grabs. That huge bluster and outrage about making a deal with Iran was simply an act and an opportunity to get even more from Sugar Daddy. Much ado about nothing as usual.

  2. David Doppler
    May 26, 2015, 11:47 am

    Obama is practicing the art of the possible. And who sets the lines of what is possible in American politics? We the people, all of us.

    Something that is clearly not possible: persuading Israel to give up its nukes.

    The worst news here is that Netanyahu scores points before his right wing electorate by extracting major additions to his arsenal, continuously upping the blatancy with which he pushes around the US government, demanding groveling in order to show off his power before the right wing mob.

    US Jews need to push to constrain Israel in this regard, because Netanyahu won’t ever show constraint, and the end result could be catastrophic.

    What is possible is removing Netanyahu’s hands from the button that controls Israel’s nukes. One or two votes in the Knesset is all that would take.

  3. amigo
    May 26, 2015, 11:54 am

    “The United States and Israel have begun preliminary, unofficial contacts regarding special American military aid for Israel due to developments in the Middle East. ”

    So , Obama is not convinced the deal would protect Israel. Why else would they have to buy Israeli objections by giving them more arms.Will these arms prevent Iran from wiping Israel off the map.

    Where are the American voices to condemn this misuse of US taxpayers money and having the zionists screw them royally—again.

  4. HarryLaw
    May 26, 2015, 12:49 pm

    The US may well have been pushing for nonproliferation, until they heard Israeli objections, then soon changed their tune. “After four weeks of negotiations, a revised UN treaty on nuclear disarmament has been torpedoed by the United States, leaving the issue of global disarmament dead in the water for the next five years. The US tried to make it look like the revised treaty’s demise was Egypt’s fault, since that country had put in the clause concerning Israeli nukes.
    But it is perfectly understandable that Egypt wants a nuclear arms-free zone in the Middle East”.
    http://www.juancole.com/2015/05/kneejerk-torpedoes-disarmament.html

    • bryan
      May 26, 2015, 1:03 pm

      If there is one small iota of Israeli hypocrisy then surely this is it – attempting to undermine a US deal to prevent Iran having a nuclear weapon,(against all the evidence of Iran’s compliance with the NNPT), whilst relying on the USA to protect its own monopoly of Middle Eastern WMD. Surely all recent evidence is that the regime occupying Tel Aviv (and Jerusalem) is crazier and more fundamentalist than the reformist government in Tehran.

  5. Dan Crowther
    May 26, 2015, 1:17 pm

    This being about the Iran deal is just cover – the Russians sold the Iranians their new AA package, which makes Iran an impossible target for Israel, this is really no big deal, had to have some excuse for making the sale, no one wants that aircraft.

    • Krauss
      May 26, 2015, 2:44 pm

      You hit the nail on its head, Dan.

      The F-35 is a bloated freak, nobody wants it, not even American allies. People buy it out of politics.

      And yes, with the S-300 from Russia, Israel will basically not be able to hit Iran’s facilities. That’s why they are folding.

      I’m guessing Obama actually gave Putin the signal to go ahead, to force the Israelis to withdraw. Putin, after all, withheld for all this time. Or maybe it wasn’t Obama, maybe it was the fallout after Ukraine. But why now? Why not back in 2014?

      By the way, I’m not buying Iran’s excuses. They will get the bomb as soon as possible. They will be foolish not to. And once that happens, Israel will not longer have a big edge. Which is why they are begging for more assistance.

      • HarryLaw
        May 26, 2015, 4:12 pm

        I agree Iran would be foolish not to try and get a nuclear bomb, but they have said they do not want one, and the Supreme leader has issued a fatwa against possessing a nuclear device, plus with the safe guards the 5 + 1 insist on being in place, it is not possible for them to acquire one in a clandestine way. The question is, does it pay to be honest in today’s world, especially in the middle east?

      • Dan Crowther
        May 26, 2015, 4:49 pm

        Because in 2014 they would have crucified Putin for doing so, but when they got close on the nuclear deal and the public responded favorably in the U.S., Putin could do it.

        the U.S. has folded on Ukraine Kerry was in Sochi recently making nice. Vlad is shitting down Barry’s throat….hahaha Putin 4 life!

      • Kay24
        May 26, 2015, 5:43 pm

        Very interesting. It seems Israel has sold Drones to Russia making it more complex and the outrage about Russia selling S300 is false outrage.

        “Last month, when President Vladimir Putin of Russia announced plans to sell a powerful anti-missile system to Iran before the lifting of international sanctions, Israel was quick to join the U.S. in expressing shock and anger.
        But behind the public announcements is a little-known web of arms negotiations and secret diplomacy. In recent years, Israel and Russia have engaged in a complex dance, with Israel selling drones to Russia while remaining conspicuously neutral toward Ukraine and hoping to stave off Iranian military development. The dance may not be over.”

        More:

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-04/russian-missile-sale-to-iran-involves-unseen-deals-with-israel

      • Keith
        May 27, 2015, 5:04 pm

        DAN CROWTHER- “the U.S. has folded on Ukraine….”

        Don’t hold your breath. We are nearing the culmination of imperial strategy to eliminate all potential rivals prior to a global restructuring. This is much too serious for Washington to just give up. Besides, funding Ukrainian proxies is relatively safe and cheap. The empire is on a rampage and won’t quit until it ends one way or the other. Besides, Russia has other weaknesses for empire to exploit. A quote followed by a link.

        ” Given all the action that’s unfolded in such a short period of time, it’s likely that the momentum will continue and more dramatic surprises will certainly await. Two of the most shocking events that could possibly happen by the end of the year would be the defection of Armenia and Belarus to the West and away from Russia. While it may sound like the realm of political fantasy to some, a closer examination of key statements and developments reveals that it’s uncomfortably not as far-fetched as one would initially like to think.” (Andrew Kroybko) http://thesaker.is/are-armenia-and-belarus-wandering-westward/

  6. JLewisDickerson
    May 26, 2015, 9:48 pm

    RE: “This is what remains of the Jewish genius: smart bombs, student trips to the Warsaw Ghetto and swearing-in ceremonies for military recruits in Masada.” ~ Uri Misgav

    MY COMMENT: Don’t sell yourselves short, Uri. You have also given humanity the “crap cannon”! ! !* That’s something to really be proud of!

    * CRAP ISRAEL IS SPREADING AROUND THE GLOBE: “America’s Police Will Fight the Next Riot With These Stink Bombs”, by Patrick Tucker, DefenseOne.com, 29 April 2015
    Future protestors in places like Baltimore could be met with a new and disgusting chemical weapon.

    [EXCERPT] As protestors and police officers clash on the streets of Baltimore and other divided cities, some police departments are stockpiling a highly controversial weapon to control civil unrest.

    It’s called Skunk, a type of “malodorant,” or in plainer language, a foul-smelling liquid. Technically nontoxic but incredibly disgusting, it has been described as a cross between “dead animal and human excrement.” Untreated, the smell lingers for weeks.

    The Israeli Defense Forces developed Skunk in 2008 as a crowd-control weapon for use against Palestinians. Now Mistral, a company out of Bethesda, Md., says they are providing it to police departments in the United States.

    Skunk is composed of a combination of baking soda and amino acids, Mistral general manager Stephen Rust said at the National Defense Industrial Association’s Armament Systems Forum on April 20. “You can drink it, but you wouldn’t want to,” said Rust, a retired U.S. Army project manager.

    The Israelis first used it in 2008 to disperse Palestinians protesting in the West Bank. A BBC video shows its first use in action, sprayed by a hose, a system that has come to be known as the “crap cannon.”

    Mistral reps say Skunk, once deployed, can be “neutralized” with a special soap — and only with that soap. In another BBC video, an IDF spokesman describes how any attempt to wash it via regular means only exacerbates its effects. Six weeks after IDF forces used it against Palestinians at a security barrier, it still lingered in the air. . .

    CONTINUED AT – http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/04/americas-police-will-fight-next-riot-these-stink-bombs/111430/

  7. JLewisDickerson
    May 26, 2015, 10:18 pm

    RE: “But Yaalon seemed to acknowledge that Israel has nukes; and Iran is pressing for Israel to get rid of its nukes. So maybe there is an upside to these deals? Military Times says [in an article dated May 21] the U.S. is pushing for nonproliferation.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Fear not, Likudniks! ! !*

    *SEE:“US clarifies position on nuclear-free Middle East”, Ben Caspit, Al-Monitor, 5/26/15

    An unusual event took place May 23 when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called US Secretary of State John Kerry and warmly thanked him for the role played by the United States in halting the Egyptian initiative of “demilitarizing the Middle East of nuclear weapons,” in the course of the Review Conference for the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) held in New York from April 27 to May 22. This conversation represented a timeout and routine-breaking event in the tense reality of almost daily deteriorating bilateral relations between Washington and Jerusalem. Most probably, the Americans — who are not used to hearing Netanyahu say “thank you” — suppressed bitter smiles. . .

    . . . On May 23, the Americans gave its resounding answer to all those who questioned America’s commitment to Israel’s national security and to its agreements with Israel. The Americans delivered the goods, and then some. Together with Britain and Canada, the United States torpedoed Egypt’s attempts — backed up by Russia — to push through a resolution that before the end of March 2016 an international summit would be held for demilitarization of the Middle East from nuclear weapons. The Americans adopted an ironbound position and were able to halt all the Egyptian attempts, since resolutions can only be reached at the conference with an absolute consensus vote.

    “It seems to me that, once and for all, the Americans have resolved all the doubts related to this issue that stood between us and them.” Speaking not for attribution, this is what an Israeli security official who dealt in the past with this issue said this week. “Over recent years, several question marks arose regarding the extent of US commitment to go hand in hand with Israel with regard to this sensitive domain. Understandings on this were achieved as far back as the days of President Richard Nixon and Prime Minister Golda Meir — understandings that were subsequently upgraded by later administrations. This week, these question marks were conclusively removed,” the source told Al-Monitor. “Even in the current period, in which tensions between Jerusalem and Washington rise on daily, record-breaking levels, it turns out that the Americans don’t blink when it comes to such a supreme strategic interest as this.” . . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/05/israel-us-mideast-nuclear-free-zone-netanyahu-obama-j-street.html#

    • JLewisDickerson
      May 26, 2015, 10:40 pm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “Netanyahu thanks US for blocking push for Middle East nuclear arms ban”, by Reuters, theguardian.com, 23 May 2015
      US, UK and Canada opposed Egyptian plan for nuclear-free region
      Israel is believed to be Middle East’s only nuclear-armed power

      Israel’s prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, thanked the US secretary of state, John Kerry, for blocking an Egyptian-led drive on a possible Middle East nuclear arms ban at a United Nations conference, an Israeli official said on Saturday.

      It was a rare message of thanks from Netanyahu, who has repeatedly accused President Barack Obama of undermining Israel’s security by attempting to reach a nuclear deal with Iran.

      A month-long review conference on the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) ended in failure on Friday, over disagreements on the issue of a Middle East atomic weapons ban. Washington blamed the failure on Egypt, which in turn blamed the US, British and Canadian delegations.

      Netanyahu spoke with Kerry “to convey his appreciation to President Obama and to the secretary”, a senior Israeli official said on condition of anonymity.

      “The United States kept its commitment to Israel by preventing a Middle East resolution that would single out Israel and ignore its security interests and the threats posed to it by an increasingly turbulent Middle East,” the official added.

      Israel also thanked Britain and Canada for joining the US in blocking consensus at the conference, the official said.

      Last month, Egypt, backed by other Arab and non-aligned states, proposed that the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, convene within 180 days a regional conference on banning weapons of mass destruction (WMD) as called for at the 2010 NPT review meeting.

      Ban voiced disappointment that NPT parties were “unable to narrow their differences on the future of nuclear disarmament or to arrive at a new collective vision on how to achieve a Middle East zone free of nuclear weapons and all other weapons of mass destruction (WMD)”.

      According to Egypt’s proposal the conference could take place with or without Israel’s participation, and could be held without agreement on an agenda or discussion of regional security issues – two of Israel’s conditions for participating.

      Israel neither confirms nor denies the widespread assumption that it controls the Middle East’s only nuclear arsenal. Israel, which has never joined the NPT, agreed to take part in the review meeting as an observer, ending a 20-year absence.

      The call for a 2012 conference on a regional WMD ban, approved at the 2010 NPT review meeting, infuriated Israel, though it eventually agreed to attend planning meetings. The 2012 conference never took place, which annoyed Egypt and other Arab states. Egypt’s proposals, western diplomats say, were aimed at pressuring Israel.

      Washington and Israel say Iran’s nuclear programme is the real regional threat.
      Iran says its programme is peaceful. It is negotiating with world powers to curb it in exchange for lifting sanctions.

      Israel has said it would consider joining the NPT only once at peace with its Arab neighbours and Iran.

      SOURCE – http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/netanyahu-thanks-us-blocking-middle-east-nuclear-arms-ban

  8. JLewisDickerson
    May 27, 2015, 4:41 am

    RE: “Red lines, shmed lines– U.S. must buy Israel’s compliance with Iran deal”

    ALSO NOTE: “Israel Seeks Surge in US Security Support”, By Barbara Opall-Rome, DefenseNews.com, 24 May 2015

    [EXCERPT] TEL AVIV, Israel — Israel is seeking a hefty surge in annual security assistance from Washington and has begun preliminary talks with the US administration on a long-term package that would provide up to $45 billion in grant aid through 2028.

    In recent months, working-level bilateral groups have begun to assess Israel’s projected security needs in the context of a new 10-year foreign military financing (FMF) deal that will kick in once the current agreement expires in 2017.

    Under the existing, $30 billion agreement signed in 2007, annual FMF grant aid to Israel grew from $2.4 billion to $3.1 billion minus, in recent years, rescissions of some $155 million due to a government mandated sequester.

    Under the follow-on package, endorsed in principle by US President Barack Obama during a March 2013 visit to Tel Aviv, Israel wants “$4.2 billion to $4.5 billion” in annual FMF aid, a security source here said.

    That’s on top of steadily increasing amounts of US war stocks prepositioned here and available for Israel’s emergency use, and nearly $500 million in annual funding for cooperative anti-rocket and missile defense programs in recent years.

    US materiel prepositioned in Israel is valued at $1.2 billion. And just last week, the House Appropriations’ Defense subcommittee’s draft of the 2016 defense appropriations bill included $487.5 million in funding for various US-Israel active defense programs.

    Meanwhile, the 2016 defense authorization bill approved by the House on May 19 calls for cooperation to develop an anti-tunneling defense system to deal with the subterranean threat.

    In interviews, US and Israeli experts insisted that embryonic talks toward a new 10-year FMF deal are separate from any prospective compensation package the Obama administration may offer Israel in the event that the US and other world powers sign a comprehensive nuclear agreement with Iran.

    Similarly, the FMF package through 2028 would not be connected to any potential security enhancements Washington may be prepared to offer in the event that Israel would agree to a two-state peace deal with the Palestinian Authority. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/budget/2015/05/24/israel-assistance-funding-us-increase-fmf/27706775/

  9. DaBakr
    May 27, 2015, 10:10 am

    bargaining chip schmargening chip….just because PW would like to see the Iranian totalitarian mullah regime empowered with billions and free to expand its ‘projects’ in neighboring states in the region does not mean the O administration is committed to allowing the balance of power to tip in a different direction. Its doubtful that O has any great love of the Iranian regime though many played that up during the pre-deal hysteria. However-it seems much more obvious that commentaries here as well as the owner have much love for the Mullahs who control Iran with an iron fist.

    • Mooser
      May 27, 2015, 11:07 am

      “However-it seems much more obvious that commentaries here as well as the owner have much love for the Mullahs who control Iran with an iron fist.”

      Does this mean you won’t be sending “PW” and Mondo a Hannukah card? That’ll sting, but you gotta do what you gotta.

    • Boo
      May 27, 2015, 12:29 pm

      We loves us some regional balance of power — not necessarily an Iranian nuke, but we sure loves us some S-300.

    • justicewillprevail
      May 27, 2015, 12:43 pm

      You are hilarious, baker. Could you quote one of those starry-eyed love letters to the mullahs that you claim is so obvious? Certainly you have an amazing ability to see things which don’t exist – I suppose you’ll be telling us that Palestine doesn’t exist, and Israel is a democracy next. Lol. Meanwhile your love for hate mongering totalitarian rabbis and zionists is taken for granted. No comparison there, no sir.

      • DaBakr
        May 27, 2015, 3:54 pm

        @ms
        as usual…very funny.

        @bo
        yes. s-300s are a problem

        @jp
        typical leftwing reactionary response. drag in issues i made no reference to and which exist in your own preconceived notions of a Zionist. no need to produce “love letters.” just a precursory review of mw articles and comments easily show an almost lustful desire to have ‘somebody’ (anybody, really) show that ‘rotten little upstart racist, so-and-so and ….. state’ some well deserved balance and check and what it means to the whole region as a whole be damned. If that isn’t the general attitude here please explain what it is. Iran is over a 1000k from Israel and shares no borders. If it isn’t about Iran’s expansionism into neighboring states then what is it about? Are you going to tell me the Mullahs truly care in their heart-of-hearts for the Palestinian people when they murder their own minorities in the multitudes……so, imo, it is you thats hilarious, or more precisely-delusional.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 27, 2015, 4:16 pm

        i made no reference to and which exist in your own preconceived notions of a Zionist. no need to produce “love letters.”

        hmm, you claimed ” PW would like to see the Iranian totalitarian mullah regime empowered with billions and free to expand – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/shmed-israels-compliance/comment-page-1#comment-770613” so yeah, i think there is a need on your part to produce “love letters” supporting your allegation since that’s the little perch you jumped off of.

        just a precursory review of mw articles and comments easily show an almost lustful desire to have ‘somebody’ (anybody, really) show that ‘rotten little upstart racist,

        yeah, so if it will only take you a precursory review by all means link to some of this ” lustful desire” by all means.

        Iran is over a 1000k from Israel and shares no borders. If it isn’t about Iran’s expansionism into neighboring states then what is it about?

        iow, you want us to accept your premise about what “PW [ and the rest of us at MW one presumes re: “the general attitude here” ] would like to see”, without giving us one ounce of source docs to back it up (and there’s a whole article above to quote from too) and then explain to you what “it” (pertaining to your allegation) is about?

        ha! try harder there dabakr, you gotta make the argument before demanding an explanation as to why. you’re just stawmanning and transparently so.

      • DaBakr
        May 28, 2015, 6:52 pm

        @an

        A) sorry-i never know what “iow” means

        B) I am not a ‘linker’ as its a commentary section -most members here are hostile to any pro-Israel pov and even if I did provide links- in the past commenters here simply refer to distorted articles that appeared months/years ago in MW which is just a circular farce. There are already too many links in the comments section to stuff a whale.

        C) as far as ‘love letters’ (not my description but I suppose its meant to be some type of ‘proof’)
        simply read through the 100s (maybe 1000s) of comments here fully supporting a deal with Iran which in effect (and anybody who did not know this and has a comment is a fool) release billions of dollars for Iran to spend on anything it wants. Since its already spending billions arming and expanding its reach far from its borders I don’t see what more ‘proof’ you need then one’s approval and a accepting the deal.

        even if an Iranian nuclear program was inevitable their was no reason any Us regime/Admin. had to support it. So far-Obama hasn’t explained much of ANYTHING to anyone about how enriching Iran will make the world more peaceful and not start a regional arms race involving the gulf states , North Korea, India, Egypt only to name a few. However, now thats a ‘deal’ is inevitable I have to hope that Obama and his cabinet advisors know something most everyone else doesn’t know. Maybe the deal will work out and his claim that “my name is on this..” is something he truly believes will be a good outcome for the world.

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