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Leading US Jewish group opposes Iran deal, citing ‘baseless hatred’ of Jerusalem temple destruction 2000 years ago

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At 1 PM today Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will address American Jews about the Iran deal. Here’s the link to his webcast. I can’t wait. Netanyahu is being hosted by American Jewish organizations that oppose the American president on his landmark achievement, including the Jewish Federations and the Conference of Presidents. A truly historic moment in Jewish life, this appeal to loyalty to Israel.

Well many good Jews are pushing back! The speech will also be historic in showing the diversity of Jewish opinion. Author David Harris-Gershon writes on twitter:

Dear America, Netanyahu does NOT represent US Jews. Not on the Iran deal―not on anything. He’s just a politician. Signed, One of millions

Harris-Gershon links to Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s statement last March, when Netanyahu put himself forward as a spokesman for Jews:

“He doesn’t speak for me on this,” Feinstein said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “I think it’s a rather arrogant statement. I think the Jewish community is like any other community. There are different points of view. I think that arrogance does not befit Israel, candidly.”

Feinstein has of course supported the White House on the Iran Deal, which Chuck Schumer can’t say for himself. (He’s in a state, evidently.)

The Jewish establishment is split. J Street Portland has been particularly active in pushing the Iran deal. But the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington has come out against the Iran deal. Laura Rozen smacks them down appropriately:

@JCRCgw disappointing and, at the very least, not respectful of the diversity of views in the community, arguably at odds with a plurality

The JCRC statement says that the deal doesn’t guarantee that Iran won’t ever get a nuclear weapon. Then this:

We recently marked Tisha B’Av, mourning the fall of Jerusalem due to baseless hatred. It is pivotal that we keep this lesson from Jewish history in the forefront of our minds as we
proceed through this debate

The first temple was destroyed in 587 BCE by the Babylonians after long siege. The second temple was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans after a Jewish intifada, or rebellion. If the alleged motivation for these ancient destructions is a basis for sound foreign policy today, then I am Jericho the lion.

Rozen also asks:

Our synagogue is a @JCRCgw constituent org, recently hosted Obama. Do our dues go to @JCRCgw lobbying against him? Who decided that for all?

Yes and why is Peace Now still on the board of the Conference of Presidents when the Conference is hosting Netanyahu? Why doesn’t Peace Now, which has supported the Iran deal, just quit this rightwing org? Because of Jewish solidarity. Well Jewish solidarity is over in the era of the golden occupation.

David Bromwich points out that the New York Times has underplayed the important news that dozens of former security officials in Israel have called on PM Netanyahu to accept the Iran deal as the new terrain. He writes:

Astonishing, the casual treatment of this by the Times, considering what it shows. The Republicans can’t even be said to be “supporting Israel against Obama.” They are supporting the demagogic prime minister of Israel and his American casino billionaire backer against the American president and our European allies and the Gulf states and the public judgment of the most qualified Israeli authorities concerning Israel’s security interests.

From that Times story, paragraph 9:

In Israel, dozens of former security officials — including major generals in the Army, chiefs of the Shin Bet and Mossad intelligence agencies and a former director of the state’s atomic energy commission — signed a letter calling on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to accept the Iran agreement as “an established fact,” according to an article in the newspaper Yediot Aharonot on Monday.

The group said Israel should “adopt a policy that will restore the trust and strengthen the security-diplomatic cooperation with the U.S. administration in order to prepare for the many challenges derived from the agreement,” the article said. The challenges were listed as monitoring the deal’s implementation, detecting violations and “formulating special defense aid for Israel to ensure its qualitative edge.”

Other news. Latest polling shows that Americans are for the deal by 35-33, with a lot puzzled. Greg Sargent at the Washington Post says the deal is going through: “Getting two-thirds of both chambers to override Obama’s veto would probably require a tremendous public backlash, since at bottom, most Congressional Dems are likely to be reluctant to sink Obama’s signature foreign policy achievement. And feelings may not be running all that strongly on this issue among much of the American mainstream.” I.e., among non-Likudnik-Jews.

Kathleen Rice is the latest of four Democratic US Reps to come out against the deal. She’s from New York. So is Grace Meng, who has opposed. Albio Sires is from NJ, and Juan Vargas is from California. But wait; Peter Feld:

NY Dem primary voters are liberal. We need to make these Israel-firsters pay with their careers next year.

Former Manhattan district attorney Robert Morgenthau has come out against the deal, because of Iran’s funding of “Hezbollah and other extremist hoodlums.” Nuclear weapons, not the issue; it’s pressure on Israel’s occupation.

President Obama is actively lobbying for the deal. Are we seeing a new political animal? Jerry Nadler still hasn’t said how he’s voting, but:

Following his meeting with Obama, Nadler said on Iran the President has been “certainly more hands on.”


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  1. a blah chick on August 4, 2015, 11:56 am

    “We recently marked Tisha B’Av, mourning the fall of Jerusalem due to baseless hatred.”

    So I guess when the Romans smacked down Carthage for challenging their power that was “baseless hatred” too? Sweet baby Jesus, the temple got destroyed during a revolt! Something that the Romans took a very dim view of.


    • Brewer on August 4, 2015, 9:21 pm

      Sadly it was so long ago that I can no longer recall the author or authors but I read a seemingly well researched and coherent account of the siege of Jerusalem that had several Jewish factions fighting it out within the walls while the Romans simply sealed the city off and waited. The temple was already blazing when they entered, set alight by the Zealots who escaped to Masada.
      Does anyone really know the truth of it? I have an idea that Yohanan ben Zachai might have been the authority given for this version of the story. Huge irony if it is indeed accurate!

      • jon s on August 5, 2015, 4:36 am

        The sages tried to explain the destruction of the 2nd Temple as divine punishment for the hatred (“hatred without cause”)which prevailed between various Jewish factions:

        “Why was the first Sanctuary destroyed? Because of three [evil] things which prevailed there: idolatry, immorality, bloodshed…
        …But why was the second Sanctuary destroyed, seeing that in its time they were occupying themselves with Torah, [observance of] precepts, and the practice of charity? Because therein prevailed hatred without cause. That teaches you that groundless hatred is considered as of even gravity with the three sins of idolatry, immorality, and bloodshed together . ”
        -Talmud Bavli , Yoma 9/b

        Brewer is correct that the factions of Zealots fought each other inside the beseiged city, even setting fire to the stores of food that had been prepared for the siege. According to Josephus the Temple itself was set on fire by a Roman soldier, in contradiction to Titus’ orders.

    • Hostage on August 5, 2015, 1:58 pm

      We recently marked Tisha B’Av, mourning the fall of Jerusalem due to baseless hatred.” … Idiots.

      I’ll say, since the Talmud and Jewish Encyclopedia go out of their way to explain that God permitted the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple, because the racist zealots in the religious and ultra-nationalist sects (the House of Shammai and the Zealots) were guilty of hating moderate Jews and Gentiles without a cause. It is described as a worse national sin than the idolatry and lack of charity that led to the destruction of the 1st Temple. So it’s amazing that these clearly xenophobic @[email protected] would bring-up that lesson in connection with their intention to go to war over a peaceful settlement that allows Iran to have a nuclear program, like every other NPT state party.

      • Jackdaw on August 7, 2015, 1:02 pm


        “their intention to go to war over a peaceful settlement that allows Iran to have a nuclear program, like every other NPT state party. ”

        Senator Schumer, a man who scored a perfect 1600 on his SAT’s, says no to the deal.

        I don’t think I broke 1100. What about you?

      • annie on August 7, 2015, 2:17 pm

        I don’t think I broke 1100. What about you?

        well, if you worked for a guy who made a business out of scamming the SAT’s – querying test takers right after they took the test who designed a system to be able to beat the test based on the response of the test takers vs studying for a test the way most students do, by studying/research all the info — then maybe you would have scored better on the test.

        The thing is, Schumer (b. 1950) worked for Stanley Kaplan from ages 14-17 in the 1960s. Kaplan was pioneering the “SAT test prep” business around that time. Kaplan hired kids to take the test and memorize questions. They’d rush back to his office afterwards to report the questions. The compiled questions formed the early Kaplan “test prep” material. Future-Senator Schumer was deep in this venture, manning the “Gestetner machine” [a mimoegraph]. Schumer thus saw all material that came into Kaplan’s hands, and (Kaplan himself says, in his autobiography) Schumer pored over it all. Kaplan also reports than Schumer got a “near 1600”, not 1600, so the mystery deepens.

        This was all before anything like an “SAT test prep” business existed. The makers of the SAT would not have yet been prepared for a concerted attempt by an aggressive group to “game” the test in this way. Thus, when Schumer took the test (probably multiple times), he may well have been the most “prepared for the test” of any student alive in the 1960s. He’d had years of defacto “SAT-prep” (seeing the actual questions used by the SAT), before the field of SAT-prep even existed. That this boosted the scores of a smart boy into the near-1600-range is plausible.

      • Jackdaw on August 7, 2015, 2:26 pm


        God bless Stanley Kaplan, wherever he is.

        Annie. Your hard earned SAT score was…..?

      • just on August 7, 2015, 3:04 pm

        Good grief, Annie~ I had no idea.

        So he’s essentially been cheating since his teens. Figures.

      • annie on August 7, 2015, 3:20 pm

        to be perfectly honest jack, i have no idea how i scored. but i’d like to know. they probably still have records of that stuff somewhere.

      • lysias on August 7, 2015, 4:01 pm

        I got 1588 on my SAT’s without any benefit from test preparation. So I may well have beaten Schumer. (I later got a perfect score on the LSAT law school entrance exam.)

      • just on August 7, 2015, 5:03 pm

        That makes all the sense in the world, lysias.


      • annie on August 8, 2015, 4:41 pm

        that doesn’t surprise me in the least lysias. and i have perfect confidence you’re smarter than schumer.

  2. HarryLaw on August 4, 2015, 12:04 pm

    The polls seem to be all over the place, this from “the latest poll showing only 28% of Americans still comfortable backing the exact same deal, while 57% are opposed to the idea. 58% say they believe it makes the world less safe, which is of course what they’ve been hearing on TV.
    The anti-pact ad campaign appears to be rapidly becoming a case study in how to buy American opinion on an issue, and has been all the easier because many of the presidential primary candidates are parroting the ads, hoping to secure the funding from the lobbying groups and their deep pockets”. Unless the Administration support this deal and do so with all guns blazing, there is a slim possibility Obama will be beaten. If he is the US would be left isolated in the world and with egg all over its face.

    • MRW on August 4, 2015, 5:56 pm

      “If he is the US would be left isolated in the world and with egg all over its face.”

      That’s a polite way of putting it. The deal passed in the UN Security Council on July 20th “unanimously.” So that means Great Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, and the US voted for the deal. For the US to renege now would be as devastating as if the US reneged on the SALT Treaty during Reagan’s time.

      Egg all over its face?

      How about laughingstock? How about third-world country? How about shit for brains?

      I just watched Nyet n’ Yahoo on CNN. How dare he presume to address the American people and argue against their national security interests.

      David Harris-Gershon’s tweet will mean nothing if they squirrel this deal. Jews have no problem calling 7 billion “goyim” without distinction or characterization, and get away with it. The same favor will be visited upon the Jews regardless of any protestations that they supported the U.S. and their president once the consequences of backing out of this deal become apparent globally. It will not be a pretty sight.

      • JennieS on August 5, 2015, 4:41 am

        +1 MRW

        I have been rather amused, watching from far away, as Netanyahu, his supporters of all types and the US Congress act on the assumption that a veto proof down vote in Congress cancels the agreement. There are 7 parties to the deal, including Iran, of which only the US is bound by decisions made in the Congress of the US. If America drops out I would expect the other 6 to carry on regardless.

      • echinococcus on August 5, 2015, 9:30 am


        Your optimism (representative of many others here) is nice and fits the formal description of US relations. The reality of European independence is a whole nother story. In fact, there is no telling what a combination of a major part of the US government and Zionist lobbying will do.
        Anyway, how come they were part of the absurd, totally unjustified sanctions in the first place?

    • HarryLaw on August 4, 2015, 6:09 pm

      My assessment above that it is possible Obama could lose the vote in Congress is influenced by this Uri Avnery article Bibi and the yo-yos.. “It was all rather disgusting.
      There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world’s only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu”.

    • lysias on August 7, 2015, 3:59 pm

      How many Americans still watch television and have been exposed to these ads? (Myself, I do not watch TV, and I have yet to see a single one of the ads.)

      Don’t millennials notoriously not watch television?

  3. yourstruly on August 4, 2015, 12:56 pm

    Does the Israeli Prime Minister oppose the nuclear deal because of security concerns or out of fear that with the nuclear threat (assuming there ever was one) removed, and with Iran no longer isolated, that the latter will dominate the Middle East? Israel, meanwhile, brought down in importance to a size befitting its population of six million.

  4. yourstruly on August 4, 2015, 1:20 pm

    For purposes of countering the Israel-firsters, how about ads in favor of the nuclear deal? A crowdsourcing campaign, say, that could start right here on Mondoweiss?

  5. John Fearey on August 4, 2015, 3:08 pm

    I am trying to follow the course of the debate and MW has been providing important material for doing that. Thank you. I didn’t know about the Netanyahu speech until just this moment, but I’m forward to watching (the replay of) that with the same enthusiasm I’m looking forward to the Rep. debates this week. I refused to watch them four years ago until the very end when my wife finally convinced me that it was a total hoot and the best show around. Netanyahu may not be as funny and thus harder to watch.

    So, I think the JCPOA is such an unqualifiedly good thing, the US public will come to see that and therefore this political moment should be used to identify and vilify congresspeople who oppose it as working for Israel first and the US second. Not sure if that rises to the level of being a traitor or an impeachable offense, but they should be made to suffer, especially Schumer, who apparently is suffering which is nice to know. He’s suffering because Netanyahu’s antics have made the conflict of interest so clear, transparent and inescapable for him that he can’t escape. I’m loving it just like I’m loving (instead of hating) Trump, like when he said McCain wasn’t a hero. Hilarious and maybe he has a point although I don’t really know the story. He probably wouldn’t have been if he had been flying for the Japanese in WWII.

    And every day more Palestinians die and are evicted by settlers and the reign of repression just digs in further and gets worse.

    If there’s a crowd funding site to support the JCPOA, I’m in for $100


    • just on August 4, 2015, 4:07 pm

      A big ditto, John.

      I missed it, too.

      Is Netanyahu the Criminal really that revered by these people? I honestly think that dual loyalty should be at the forefront of discussion again and again.

      “Rabbi raises ‘dual loyalty’ question– and all hell breaks loose in DC Jewish community

      Last month at a Washington Jewish forum, a liberal Zionist rabbi said that the Iran issue raised the question of “dual loyalty” for American Jews, and all hell broke loose. Other Israel supporters on the panel expressed outrage that a Jew would dignify the charge. One said it was the fare of anti-Semites, racists, and David Duke. Rabbi Melissa Weintraub stood by her statement: Some Jews have a “real sense of being torn,” they “experience a competing pull,” and it’s important for American Jews to talk about it.” – See more at:

      20 months later, and the same question needs to be posed of people.

      Then there is the issue of ‘Israel- firsters’ and PEP in Congress and among potential Presidential candidates.

  6. just on August 4, 2015, 4:25 pm

    “Netanyahu to U.S. Jews: Don’t Let Deal Supporters Quash Real Iran Debate

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Jewish Americans not to let supporters of the nuclear deal with Iran quash real debate during a live webcast speech addressing the U.S. Jewish community on the contentious accord. 

    Netanyahu said that “the days when the Jewish people could not speak out for themselves are over,” and claimed that the Iran deal “will trigger a nuclear arms race in the region.” He implored U.S. Jews not to “let the deal supporters quash the real debate. This is the time to oppose this dangerous deal.”

    Netanyahu also dismissed claims that his government was against any deal with Iran as “just not true,” and said that “the alternative is still no deal or a better deal – not war.” He added that “the claim Israel wants war is not only wrong – it is outrageous. …”

    read more:

    The PM can’t see that this is too little, too late. Stupid, stubborn PM. I hope that Americans are smarter than to take his worthless and dangerous bait.

    The comments are not in his favor.

  7. just on August 4, 2015, 5:02 pm

    “If the alleged motivation for these ancient destructions is a basis for sound foreign policy today, then I am Jericho the lion.”

    LOL, Phil!

    If they’re gonna invoke ancient “history”, then I’d rather invoke Rabbi Brant Rosen.

    His lamentation from August 1, 2014 and read again at “AFSC commemorates one year since attacks on Gaza with beach remembrance” – See more at:

    “This Monday night begins the Jewish fast of Tisha B’Av: a day of mourning for the calamities that have befallen the Jewish people over the centuries. Among other things, the traditional Tisha B’Av liturgy includes the chanting Biblical book of Lamentations.

    Given the profoundly tragic events currently unfolding in Gaza, I offer this reworking of the first chapter of Lamentations. I share it with the hope that on this day of mourning we might also mourn the mounting dead in Gaza – along with what Israel has become…

    A Lamentation for Gaza

    Gaza weeps alone.
    Bombs falling without end
    her cheeks wet with tears.
    A widow abandoned
    imprisoned on all sides
    with none willing to save her.

    We who once knew oppression
    have become the oppressors.
    Those who have been pursued
    are now the pursuers.
    We have uprooted families
    from their homes, we have
    driven them deep into
    this desolate place,
    this narrow strip of exile.

    All along the roads there is mourning.
    The teeming marketplaces
    have been bombed into emptiness.
    The only sounds we hear
    are cries of pain
    sirens blaring
    drones buzzing
    bitterness echoing
    into the black vacuum
    of homes destroyed
    and dreams denied.

    We have become Gaza’s master
    leveling neighborhoods
    with the mere touch of a button
    for her transgression of resistance.
    Her children are born into captivity
    they know us only as occupiers
    enemies to be feared
    and hated.

    We have lost all
    that once was precious to us.
    This fatal attachment to our own might
    has become our downfall.
    This idolatrous veneration of the land
    has sent us wandering into
    a wilderness of our own making.

    We have robbed Gaza of
    her deepest dignity
    plunged her into sorrow and darkness.
    Her people crowd into refugee camps
    held captive by fences and buffer zones
    gunboats, mortar rounds
    and Apache miss[i]les.

    We sing of Jerusalem,
    to “a free people in their own land”
    but our song has become a mockery.
    How can we sing a song of freedom
    imprisoned inside behind walls we have built
    with our own fear and dread?

    Here we sit clinging to our illusions
    of comfort and security
    while we unleash hell on earth
    on the other side of the border.
    We sit on hillsides and cheer
    as our explosions light up the sky
    while far below, whole neighborhoods
    are reduced to rubble.

    For these things I weep:
    for the toxic fear we have unleashed
    from the dark place of our hearts
    for the endless grief
    we are inflicting
    on the people of Gaza.”

    • RoHa on August 4, 2015, 5:36 pm

      “We who once knew oppression have become the oppressors. ”

      How many modern Israelis have had first hand experience of being oppressed?

  8. HarryLaw on August 4, 2015, 5:15 pm

    The great fear of the Zionists is not Iran with a nuclear weapons capability [obviously they do not want to see that] rather a hostile neighbor with an educated and wealthy electorate and with ten times Israels population. This deal will open the Iranian market and free up billions of dollars frozen in overseas accounts. Trade deals now underway with the rest of the world will mean extra billions. Where will a lot of this money go, it will go, quite rightly to Iran’s friends in the region, Syria, Iraq and Hezbollah. Yes Israels enemies. That is the main reason Netanyahu is blowing a fuse. Israels attempts to keep its neighbors weak and impoverished, with cyclical mowing of the lawn exercises can only be perpetrated for so long. Payback when it comes, will be a bitch.

  9. wondering jew on August 4, 2015, 6:33 pm

    I think this is the meaning of the JCRC in regards to baseless hatred and the destruction of the 2nd temple:
    When you are arguing against this deal keep in mind decorum and love of your neighbor (American neighbor, I’d presume to say), for if you allow hatred to be perceived as your basic attitude, you cannot succeed, for what we are trying to accomplish here is the negation of the destruction of the second temple and since it was destroyed due to baseless hatred, by definition we must personify love in our arguments. (the arguments themselves will be focused on the danger presented by the Iranian regime, but the manner of the arguments must not exemplify hatred but instead keep in mind the destructiveness of hatred.)

  10. just on August 4, 2015, 7:12 pm

    Chemi Shalev:

    “Netanyahu stokes Holocaust guilt to pit American Jews against Obama and Iran deal

    75 years ago it was his father who rallied Republicans and railed against kowtowing Jewish leaders.

    Prime Minister Netanyahu didn’t mention Munich or Neville Chamberlain in his address on Tuesday to American Jews and he touched on the Holocaust only ever so-lightly. “It wasn’t long ago, certainly not that long ago, that the Jewish people were either incapable or unwilling to speak out in the face of mortal threats, and this had devastating consequences,” Netanyahu said. He didn’t wag any fingers, but then he didn’t need to: most of his listeners understood well what point he was making.

    This is a recurring theme with the prime minister. He made use of it in November, 2013, in a controversial address to the Jewish Federations’ General Assembly in Jerusalem, in which he called on American Jews to speak out against the impending interim nuclear deal with Iran then being negotiated in Geneva, which turned out to be less terrible in retrospect than it was in his advance predictions. Now it is the final deal with Iran signed in Vienna that is extracting apocalyptic visions from Netanyahu, and with good reason: how else can he justify his total war against President Obama or his unprecedented public call for American Jews to join him in battle.

    But invoking the memory of the Holocaust isn’t just a rhetorical device for Netanyahu: he is also speaking in the name of his father. Benzion Netanyahu was in New York during the war years, fighting off the Jewish establishment’s attacks on his Revisionist faction and trying to rally American Jews against another Democratic president, Franklin Roosevelt, whom the elder Netanyahu accused of abandoning the Jews of Europe. Netanyahu is said to have been one of the pioneers of the revolutionary recruitment of Republicans in Congress against Roosevelt and on behalf of the persecuted Jews. For the rest of his life he despised what he described as the lily-livered response of the liberal Jewish leadership, especially Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise, who kowtowed to Roosevelt to preserve his privileged position and thus aided and abetted the destruction of European Jewry.

    Many younger Americans, Jews and non-Jews, have come to view these incessant historical associations as manipulative and anachronistic, but they hit a raw nerve nonetheless among older Jewish leaders and activists …

    … The ensuing clash between supporters and opponents of the Iran deal and the angst felt by many Jews, especially liberals and independents, is probably viewed by GOP activists, perhaps by Netanyahu himself, as a fringe benefit of the campaign against the administration. Jewish supporters of the deal find themselves standing shoulder to shoulder with GOP conservatives they abhor, while opponents of the deal are described as appeasers bowing their heads, like Wise in his day, before the power and prestige of the president. This internecine warfare came to millions of television screens this week, as anti- and pro-deal commercials by AIPAC and J Street clashed head to head across America.

    Netanyahu is encouraged by the perceived shift in public opinion against the deal, but the overall political prognosis of the battle’s ultimate outcome hasn’t changed: he may win a moral victory if Congress disapproves of the deal but will end up losing the war if it then fails to override a presidential veto. Even the preliminary win is far from assured: opponents of the deal need to recruit six Democratic defectors in the Senate, at the very least, in order to ensure a filibuster-proof majority of 60.

    Netanyahu claims that his fight against Obama’s policy isn’t personal, but even he probably finds that assertion hard to believe. He enraged the White House on Tuesday by wildly accusing supporters of the deal of trying to stifle the debate by making “outrageous” accusations of “warmongering.” Netanyahu’s disavowal of a personal vendetta against Obama is perceived as disingenuous: it does not mitigate the accumulative effect of his absolute opposition to the deal, his continued partisan support for the GOP and what one Democratic activist described to me on Tuesday as “inciting American Jews to fight their elected president.”

    Netanyahu is pulling out all the stops, deploying all his troops and firing all his ammunition – including the Holocaust card – in his war to stop the Iran deal.

    The question is whether he’ll have anything left in his arsenal to deal with the day after. Win or lose, there will be damage, if not destruction, to contend with: to Jerusalem’s relations with Washington, to Israel’s image in the United States and to the cohesion and unity of an American Jewish community that is being stretched to the limit and shaken to its core.”

    more @

    • JLewisDickerson on August 4, 2015, 11:28 pm

      RE: “But invoking the memory of the Holocaust isn’t just a rhetorical device for Netanyahu . . .” ~ Chemi Shalev

      SEE: “Israeli diplomat in Berlin: Maintaining German guilt about Holocaust helps Israel” | By Nir Gontarz | | Jun. 25, 2015

      A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in Berlin recently told Israeli journalists it was in the country’s interest to maintain German guilt about the Holocaust, and that it isn’t seeking full normalization of relations between the governments.

      Embassy spokeswoman Adi Farjon made the comments in a closed briefing session with journalists at the embassy.

      “We were all in shock,” said a female journalist present at the briefing. “The spokeswoman clearly said it was an Israeli interest to maintain German guilt feelings. She even said that without them, we’d be just another country as far as they’re concerned.”

      Others present at the event confirmed the journalist’s account.

      Some added that the Israeli ambassador himself, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, was present for some of the briefing, as were other embassy workers who don’t speak Hebrew. Another journalist commented, “It was so awkward. We couldn’t believe our ears. We’re sitting there eating peanuts, and behind the spokeswoman there are two German women sitting there who don’t understand a word of Hebrew – and the embassy staff is telling us they’re working to preserve the German guilt feelings and that Israel has no interest in normalization of relations between the two countries.”

      “I don’t remember saying that,” Farjon told Haaretz in response. “I can’t vouch for any particular quote, she added. “It was an off-the-record conversation, a briefing talk. The way I speak with Israeli journalists is a little different. These things aren’t intended to get out. I can’t reveal the principles I work by. For example, I don’t say who I go to in order to get good stories out here, or who I pay for things like that.” . . .


    • MRW on August 5, 2015, 10:12 am

      For the rest of his life he [Netanyahu Père] despised what he described as the lily-livered response of the liberal Jewish leadership, especially Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise, who kowtowed to Roosevelt to preserve his privileged position and thus aided and abetted the destruction of European Jewry.

      No wonder Netanyahu Fils has the same loofah brain as his father.

      When does this horseshit myth end? Rabbi Wise was in on Dr. Chaim Weizmann’s concerted plea not to have Jewish refugees go to the US and Canada. Wise was instrumental, as Co-Chair of the American Zionist Emergency Council, in making sure that Jews were turned away. Wise made the plea to Roosevelt not to help. They wanted the Jews to go to Palestine, and even then, would only accept about 1,000,000 out of the 4 million seeking refuge. See Hostage’s page: I used the search words STEPHEN WISE.

      The Jewish Agency was also instrumental in making sure that undesirable Jews were eradicated (see Hostage’s page above).

      “If I am asked, “Could you give from the UJA moneys to rescue Jews, ‘I say, NO! and I say again NO!”
      Izaak Greenbaum, head of Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, February 18, 1943 to the Zionist Executive Council.

      From: Jews Against Zionism

      Commenter Hostage has peppered this board with documented proof of that.

      • annie on August 5, 2015, 10:39 am

        See Hostage’s page: I used the search words STEPHEN WISE.

        you are so good just, what would we do without you. we should have a permanent dropdown option on the front page titled “hostage’s archives” and in the dropdown could be specific subject matter. bingo!

      • Kris on August 5, 2015, 10:44 am

        @Annie Robbins: “we should have a permanent dropdown option on the front page titled “hostage’s archives” and in the dropdown could be specific subject matter. bingo!”

        This is a wonderful idea!

      • RoHa on August 5, 2015, 10:53 am

        I’ll third that, if it has a capital letter for “Hostage”.

  11. JLewisDickerson on August 4, 2015, 7:17 pm

    RE: “We recently marked Tisha B’Av, mourning the fall of Jerusalem due to baseless hatred. It is pivotal that we keep this lesson from Jewish history in the forefront of our minds as we proceed through this debate” ~ Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington

    MY COMMENT: I can recommend a good psychiatrist. Or two. Or three. Or . . .

    P.S. A lot of them are Jewish if that helps!

    • just on August 4, 2015, 7:51 pm

      I don’t think that they want help~ they like living in fantasy land and the proverbial land of the lost .

      P.S. What have you done with your avatar, John? I almost yelled aloud!

      • JLewisDickerson on August 4, 2015, 9:57 pm

        Things are getting ugly. Very, very ugly! ! !

      • JLewisDickerson on August 4, 2015, 10:27 pm

        P.S. OUCH! Trump’s finger reminds me of my most recent prostate exam.

        P.S. Yes mom, I remembered to wash real good like the doctor might give me a surprise prostate/rectal examination.
        What, mom?
        Of course I’m wearing clean underwear, mom! Do I look like an idiot? DON’T ANSWER THAT! ! !

  12. JLewisDickerson on August 5, 2015, 12:02 am

    RE: “Other news. Latest polling shows that Americans are for the deal by 35-33, with a lot puzzled.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: To understand the shift in public opinion that has occurred in the last few weeks, see:

    Merchants of Doubt, 2015 PG-13 93 mins
    Average of 3214 ratings: 3.6 stars (out of 5)
    This revealing documentary examines the network of scientific “experts” paid by major corporations to spread disinformation about looming environmental threats, including chemical pollution and global climate change.
    Netflix listing (DVD only, not yet available for streaming) –
    Internet Movie Database (7.4/10) –

    • JLewisDickerson on August 5, 2015, 12:11 am

      Merchants of Doubt: What Climate Deniers Learned from Big Tobacco
      I.e., how to “move” America!*

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE:
      * • ‘America is a thing you can move very easily’ (said Netanyahu) –

      * • Netanyahu once said ‘America is a thing you can move very easily’ — where does he want to move it with his latest Iran outbursts? –

      • JLewisDickerson on August 5, 2015, 12:22 am

        ■ Answering Climate Change Skeptics, Naomi Oreskes
        A presentation based on her recent book, Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscure the Truth about Climate Change. Naomi Oreskes, author and professor of history and science studies, University of California, San Diego.

      • RoHa on August 5, 2015, 9:40 am

        Yes, this presentation is the sort of thing the Global Warming fanatics do. The data does not support their belief (even after adjustment) but they ignore reality and propagandize by smear, the ever-popular argumentum ad hominem, other standard fallacies, accusations of “conspiracy theory” (ironically while holding their own theories about sceptic conspiracies), “motivated belief”, and misrepresentation.

        Of course, all this stuff is totally irrelevant, but it appeals to the artsy-fartsy media types, who have little or no understanding of logic or science.

        Regular debunkers of Israeli propaganda will recognize the methods, and not be misled.

      • Mooser on August 5, 2015, 12:37 pm

        RoHa, if Global Warming isn’t real, why am I having hot flashes and terrible night-sweats all the time? Something sure is heating up!

      • RoHa on August 5, 2015, 1:42 pm

        Not that “artsy-fartsies ” isn’t name calling.

      • RoHa on August 5, 2015, 2:04 pm

        “RoHa, if Global Warming isn’t real,”

        The earth certainly seems to have warmed a bit over the last 120 years, though it was cooling during the 50s and 60s*, and stopped warming in 1996/7. It is by no means obvious that it is cooling.

        The big problem is the attempt to explain this warming as a result of man-made CO2 amplified by water-vapour feedback. All the major predictions based on that hypothesis are failing, which indicates that the hypothesis is wrong, and yet politicians base socially and environmentally destructive policies on this hypothesis.

        Do you thinkmaybe it is your hot flushes that are warming the planet, so that it is Moose-made warming?

        And now Annie, if she lets this comment through, will start saying she doesn’t want to moderate debates about the topic. If so, why allow any mention of it in the first place?

        (*Some climatologists of the time were predicting a new Ice Age. Some of them changed over when warming became fashionable.)

      • Keith on August 6, 2015, 12:10 am

        ROHA- “…who have little or no understanding of logic or science.”

        Is it your contention that the thousands of scientists who contributed to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are “Global Warming fanatics….who have little or no understanding of logic or science?” Interesting. Perhaps you should submit your CV detailing your superb understanding of logic and science. Be sure to include all of the peer reviewed articles you have published in the technical literature. Do you have the links for the rest of us ignoramuses so that we may be enlightened? If it isn’t too much trouble. Until then, I am afraid that I will have to stick with common sense and the conclusion of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists. This is my one comment on this topic, I have already made my views known with MRW on another thread.

      • JLewisDickerson on August 6, 2015, 9:46 pm

        Regardless of what one thinks of global climate change, the propaganda techniques utilized by the “deniers” (and borrowed from tobacco’s defenders) seem quite similar to the propaganda techniques used by Israel’s defenders (and many other interest groups here in the US).

  13. Marnie on August 5, 2015, 1:36 am

    ‘We recently marked Tisha B’Av, mourning the fall of Jerusalem due to baseless hatred. It is pivotal that we keep this lesson from Jewish history in the forefront of our minds as we proceed through this debate.”

    Huh. I was taught the calamities that befell the ancient Hebrews was the result of their disobedience to the Almighty and worship of heathen gods. Unless of course the above claim is saying the Almighty has baseless hatred. So it’s really God that’s antisemitic!? It’s confusing to me. To claim a piece of land from a God that is not honored or praised but only used to try to explain ownership of land as in He “gave” the Jews this land forever. Very interesting.

  14. MHughes976 on August 5, 2015, 6:57 am

    I think that the JCRC is somewhat misrepresented. They’re claiming to respect the views of those Jewish people who support Obama and to acknowledge their duty to avoid the baseless hatred = mutual hostility among Jewish people that led, in their view to the Temple’s fall. They’re not referring to hatreds in non-Jewish hearts. Mind you, I think that this degree of emphasis on Jewish solidarity – when after all they are American citizens discussing American policy – is disturbing.
    Johannesburg b Zakkai has been mentioned – he was a leader of the peace party and seems to have judged the Romans to have been more reasonable than the Jewish Zealots, which is a point of view worth recalling.
    The faction that took over Masada had, as well as I recall, been thrown out of Jerusalem before the Romans arrived. Josephus thought that they were exceptionally obnoxious.

  15. Vera Gottlieb on August 5, 2015, 9:23 am

    Aren’t Adam and Eve lucky, not being blamed for anything??? Were they Jewish? Hard to believe such totally asinine arguments from a supposedly ‘educated’ people.

  16. just on August 5, 2015, 10:27 am

    “Israeli Rights Group Sues to Block Release of Iranian Funds

    The Shurat HaDin Law Center seeks to block release of $100 billion in frozen Iranian assets in the U.S. following nuclear deal with Iran.

    An Israel-based rights group has launched a lawsuit, seeking to block the release of $100 billion in frozen Iranian assets in the United States following the U.S.-led nuclear deal with Tehran.

    The Shurat HaDin Law Center says it’s acting on behalf of two dozen U.S. citizens who won more than a billion dollars in judgments again Iran in American courts but who were never paid.

    The center says it filed the injunction Wednesday at a New York district court.

    The Americans were victims of attacks perpetrated from 1995 to 2006 by Iran-backed militant groups like the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

    … says releasing frozen Iranian funds under the nuclear deal would deprive the Americans of the only leverage they have to make Iran pay.
    read more:

    How screwed up is this? Israelis representing ‘US citizens’ getting judgements against Iran in US courts and then trying to block the US government in a US court from doing what it must do…..

    Perhaps Shurat HaDin should focus their attention inward and toward their ‘own’. What goes around, comes around.

    • annie on August 5, 2015, 10:35 am

      Shurat HaDin Law Center is the devil incarnate

      • just on August 5, 2015, 10:48 am

        You’ll get no argument from me, Annie.

        From their website:

        “Shurat HaDin is at the forefront of fighting terrorism and safeguarding Jewish rights worldwide. We are dedicated to the protection of the State of Israel. From defending against lawfare suits fighting academic and economic boycotts and challenging those who seek to delegitimize the Jewish State, Shurat HaDin is utilizing court systems around the world to go on the legal offensive against Israel’s enemies.

        Based in Tel Aviv, and directed by Attorney Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, Shurat HaDin works with Western intelligence agencies, law enforcement branches and a network of volunteer lawyers across the globe to file legal actions on behalf of world Jewry.”

        ~ and~

        “Stopping the flow of money to terrorists through the use of civil suits and other legal means.

        Achieving justice and compensation for terror victims from terrorist organizations, their sponsors, and the financial institutions that aid and abet their criminal activities.

        Combating the global effort by Israel’s enemies to de-legitimize, boycott and wage “lawfare” against the Jewish state.

        Training the next generation of activist attorneys and legal advocates to fight for the rights of the worldwide Jewish community and Israel.

        Leading the private sector’s war on terrorism.

        We tend to think of the fight against terrorism as a task that falls mainly on the shoulders of elected officials and governments, whether it is their law enforcement, military, diplomatic or intelligence agencies. Nonetheless, Shurat HaDin has proven that there is one area where private citizens can uniquely play a leading role – stopping the funds available to the enemies of Israel and the Jewish People. Since the 1990s Western countries, and especially the United States, have legislated laws making it possible for terror victims to sue the regimes that sponsor terror, banks that transfer funds to terror groups, front charities established to assist the extremist groups, and even the terrorists themselves. Thus, Shurat HaDin’s legal campaigns have empowered the terror victims and their families to fight back.”

        Two can tango, can’t they Nitsana?

        (Free the Holy Land 5, Mr. Obama!)

    • Bumblebye on August 5, 2015, 2:48 pm

      Shurat HaDin’s “Americans” are probably second passport holders busily oppressing, thieving and harming Palestinians while resident in occupied Palestine.

  17. on August 5, 2015, 10:36 am

    Talking about baseless hatred, this dynamite piece by the Kagan/Nudelman/Nuland axis has just been released on Max’s twitter. It proves the craziness of these people who are advising the US Pentagon and Military for years with only their Israeli axe to grind in a pathological way.

    Neocons Fred & Don Kagan wanted a US military invasion of Palestine in response to 9/11

  18. Les on August 5, 2015, 11:32 am

    Can anyone name a single major print or broadcast outlet, including NPR, that opposes Israel’s efforts to exterminate the Palestinians, a la the Pilgrim fathers who preached in favor of exterminating the Indians in order to get control of their land.

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