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‘Bernie, what about justice 4 Palestine?’

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My friend Eliot Fearey took this photo at Bernie Sanders’s huge rally in Seattle Saturday night. The Vermont senator is getting heat from his leftwing base over Palestine. Sanders has a soft spot in his heart for Israel, where he went to live as a young man. He has given the same answer on Israel and Palestine forever and stood by Israel during the Gaza slaughter of last summer.

Of course the issue is whether the question will have any traction in the presidential race. Fearey reports that Sanders supported the Iran Deal at the rally but did not address the Israel Palestine conflict.

On Saturday, #BlackLivesMatters made the news in Seattle because they disrupted a Sanders appearance. At the later rally pictured, Sanders said he will be a crusading advocate for racial justice.

 

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  1. lysias
    lysias
    August 12, 2015, 12:22 pm

    The Hill: Poll: Sanders surges ahead of Clinton in New Hampshire:

    A stunning new poll has Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) beating presumptive Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.

    Sanders has eclipsed Clinton by a 44 to 37 percent margin, according to a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll that was first reported by the Boston newspaper Tuesday evening.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      August 12, 2015, 11:59 pm

      Bernie has long had a shot at winning Iowa and New Hampshire. That isn’t strange. These are states which are overwhelmingly white and Bernie’s base is white liberals.

      His support among non-white liberals is much, much smaller. Clinton polls far above him in when you look at those groups. That could change, of course, but we see no sign of that right now. So unless you believe in the “momentum theory”, Sanders would, in the words of 538, “win Iowa and New Hampshire and then lose everything else”.

      http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

  2. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    August 12, 2015, 1:13 pm

    It is always dangerous to call a candidate a sure thing when a single ballot has yet to be counted. Just ask Ed Muskie. (You’ll have to use a seance.) Still New Hampshire certainly does not reflect the Democratic Party and I still have to consider Hillary the favorite. But not the shoo-in that I once thought. The American public gets tired of yesterday’s stars and always hungers for the new and Hillary has had much more than 15 minutes. (It is almost 24 years since her “stay home and bake cookies” appearance at half time of the Super Bowl in 1992).

    One other factor: If on the initial vote by the Congress if the block the deal folks get more than 2/3rds of both houses, the override vote will be fierce and ugly and it’s tough to be sure exactly what it will look like and how that will overflow into the presidential contest.

    • lysias
      lysias
      August 12, 2015, 2:30 pm

      Sanders has apparently said that he favors the Iran deal.

      • Rusty Pipes
        Rusty Pipes
        August 12, 2015, 3:26 pm

        Sanders was one of the first senators to endorse the Iran deal (right behind Dianne Feinstein). He also has opposed many military interventions. He has made many statements critical of the Military Industrial Complex. Unfortunately, like many progressives on the hill, he has supported most of what AIPAC has wanted (even though he has not been in the league with Israel’s biggest cheerleaders).

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        August 12, 2015, 7:30 pm

        Sanders was also the first Senator to announce he would boycott Netanyahu’s speech to Congress. My hunch is that Sanders will be willing to admit he was duped about Israel,
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/american-recognize-duped

        but the timing of going public with such an admission is a delicate strategic decision. The oligarchy media still seems controlled by the Israelis, and would certainly try to crucify him.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        August 13, 2015, 10:11 pm

        Yes Sanders has said he supported the deal quite some time ago. He finally diverted from the I lobby in a big way

  3. ElmoX
    ElmoX
    August 12, 2015, 2:19 pm

    There isn’t one person in the US ‘government’ that is looking for justice in Palestine. Know the US ‘government’ is extremely corrupt, not a democracy but an oligarchy. Whomever the US ‘votes” in as ‘president’ will be an adversary of human rights and someone human rights activists will have to rally against and oppose. Whomever the US ‘votes” in as ‘president’ will be just as corrupt, will be actively engaged in crimes sending military aid illegally, in support of the criminal ‘state’ of “Israel.”: US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/04/14/us-oligarchy-not-democracy-says-scientific-study

    • johneill
      johneill
      August 13, 2015, 1:47 am

      Here’s a haiku for you:
      Like eunuchs discuss
      the Kama Sutra, voters
      discuss elections

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        August 13, 2015, 10:22 am

        Nice one, man. I was thinking along those lines when I read Yonah’s incredibly shallow post (above).

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 13, 2015, 4:45 am

      As Trump said to millions of Americans on prime time Fox tv recently, voicing his long personal experience, give them the donation they want, Democrat or Republican politician alike, and, a year, 2, or 3 years later, when you want them to do something for you, they’re there for you. He concluded, “the system is broken.”

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 13, 2015, 4:57 am

      Here’s a brief summary of Bernie’s War record; he did protest going into Iraq, unlike Hillary, but he voted to fund it subsequently. He also said Israel “overacted” in Gaza, but blamed the Palestinians for the problem–when he was asked why he didn’t go on record about Israel’s conduct he GOT REALLY TESTY:

      http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

      • Michael Paul Goldenberg
        Michael Paul Goldenberg
        August 13, 2015, 4:12 pm

        Oooh, he “got testy,” did he? Any context for that? You ever “get testy”? The folks trying to paint Bernie Sanders as some sort of Zionist and/or tool of the Israeli government don’t seem to much care about what he actually says on that or some other issues: http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-israel-and-palestine/

        The site I just linked to offers up to date position statements on most current campaign issues. Try reading and comprehending what’s there.

  4. Rusty Pipes
    Rusty Pipes
    August 12, 2015, 2:41 pm

    Bernie Sanders supporters can endorse his platform and advocate for additional issues (such as Justice 4 Palestine). Already, the platform has been updated to include Racial Justice.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      August 12, 2015, 3:52 pm

      Rusty,

      Black Lives Matter made a dent. Being smart, Sanders immediately corrected course. But then, he wasn’t against it to start with, he just hadn’t realized how much his program was outdated and relying on old glories.
      When it comes to Palestine, though, it’s enough to watch the short video of the famous town hall meeting where he lost it and heatedly defended the massacre in Gaza to understand that this guy is viscerally tribal and Zionist… no amount of call to justice will change that. Also, there is an excellent reason why he never utters a word about foreign policy: all his life he’s been a supporter of war, foreign intervention and military budgets.

      • K Renner
        K Renner
        August 12, 2015, 9:42 pm

        The two “black lives matter” ‘activists’ made themselves look like childish and spoiled fools, throwing a temper tantrum on stage and engaging in other petulant antics (“if you don’t all listen and have four minutes of silence for petty thief Mike Brown, we’ll shut everything down!”).

        The tactic used by these people here, in throwing up that banner, is far more advisable and worthy of support. Don’t associate that with the screaming children who swooped in to “memorialize” Mike Brown.

        Likewise, the “town hall interruption” incident was done in a far more acceptable fashion. There’s nothing wrong with bringing something up from the ranks of the audience, and not behaving like and overly-entitled fool when you do so.

        “Black lives matter” is a failed movement from the start. We shouldn’t associate the Palestinian cause with it.

      • RockyMissouri
        RockyMissouri
        August 13, 2015, 12:18 pm

        What does Hillary say about Palestinians….?

      • Michael Paul Goldenberg
        Michael Paul Goldenberg
        August 13, 2015, 4:14 pm

        You seriously think he just whipped up a black spokeswoman out of thin air? Any possibility that her hiring was already in process before the idiots grabbed the microphone and refused to give it up on Saturday?

        Bernie Sanders has been a democratic socialist longer than a lot of those claiming to know better have been alive. Vermonters (and former Vermonters like me) know that.

  5. Kay24
    Kay24
    August 12, 2015, 3:39 pm

    At least the British are doing their bit trying to get justice for the Palestinians.

    Something we can never do over here in the US. At least in many European countries
    the zionists are unable to control many aspects of their system, unlike in our unfortunate country. Still, I am sure they will be called “anti-semitic”.

    “41,000 Sign British Petition Calling for Netanyahu’s Arrest Over ‘war Crimes’
    After 10,000 signatures the government must respond to the petition, and after 100,000 signatures it will be considered for debate in Parliament.

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.670864

    • Michael Paul Goldenberg
      Michael Paul Goldenberg
      August 13, 2015, 4:15 pm

      The British as in 41K citizens or as in the British government? Because if the latter, you might want to try reading a little history of the Middle East and Great Britain’s role there. Or not.

      • straightline
        straightline
        August 13, 2015, 5:03 pm

        Or note that 80% of current Conservative MPs belong to Conservative Friends of Israel. Labour is not much better. But if Corbyn is elected leader it might change.

  6. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    August 12, 2015, 4:24 pm

    As boneheaded as Sanders’s position is, unlike HRC, I think he can be reached. Just keep the pressure on.

    • Michael Paul Goldenberg
      Michael Paul Goldenberg
      August 13, 2015, 4:16 pm

      Does “boneheaded” mean “I don’t agree with this?” And does his position mean “the position some people ascribe to him regardless of what he has to say himself?” If so, keep soldiering on here in the echochamber.

  7. Keith
    Keith
    August 12, 2015, 5:44 pm

    PHIL- “At the later rally pictured, Sanders said he will be a crusading advocate for racial justice.”

    Like the President, Bernie is a firm believer that words speak louder than actions. Tell the voters what they want to hear, then give the fat-cats what they demand. If elected, he would likely become known as the Jewish Barack Obama. Both are militarists and imperialists to the very marrow of their bones.

  8. Kay24
    Kay24
    August 13, 2015, 9:58 am

    At least according to this website he is not so pro Israel, but more neutral?

    http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-israel-and-palestine/#jewish-heritage

  9. RobertHenryEller
    RobertHenryEller
    August 13, 2015, 10:19 am

    That Sanders has already come out for the Iran deal demonstrates that he is willing to stand up to AIPAC and Israel. That is a good start. I have not seen any other Presidential candidate do that. The GOP candidates, they’re falling all over each other to be Adelson’s “girlfriend.” Hillary is not much less in the tank.

    So, I may not expect Sanders to stand up for Palestinians during the campaign. He does not want AIPAC and Likud actively campaigning against him than they already will be, because you know they’re going to be pressuring Sanders for a “loyalty oath.” But if Sanders is elected, he at least won’t be owned from the get go.

    I’m amazed that Obama is standing up to AIPAC and Likud the way he is. No other President since Eisenhower has dared to do so.

  10. tidings
    tidings
    August 13, 2015, 2:15 pm

    Phil and Adam–couldn’t you guys find a way to meet with Bernie and tutor him on how to pivot so he can be on the same page as us guys?

    I’m serious.

  11. genesto
    genesto
    August 21, 2015, 12:28 pm

    Bernie needs to listen more closely to his cousin, Carol, a JVP activist in the Bay Area for many years.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      August 21, 2015, 4:26 pm

      I suppose individual JVP members may be anti-Zionists –there are some, but no guarantee. So in this individual case, is the cousin less of a Zionist than Senator BS? Do you know?

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