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Two Israeli minors were convicted in a Jerusalem district court Thursday afternoon for the abduction and killing of a 16-year old Palestinian boy in July 2014. Mohammed Abu Khdeir was taken from outside of his home by three assailants who later poured gasoline on him, burned him alive, and left his body in a field.

One of the killers aged 17 was sentenced to life in prison for his role in pouring the incendiary material over Abu Khdeir, and the younger defendant aged 16 was sentenced to a lesser 21 years as the court ruled he participated in the kidnapping, but not the murder. Both were ordered to pay the surviving family around $7,500 in reparations.

The three judge panel explained in their decision the lesser sentence for the younger killer.

“His actions are also vicious, as he captured the deceased, prevented him from resisting, assisted in strangling him. But nevertheless, he did not take part physically in the last stage that led to his beating and the pouring of fuel or oil on his body,” the sentencing statement said.

Mohammed Abu Khdier, the 16-year old Palestinian from Jerusalem who was abducted and burned alive in July 2014. (Photo: AFP)

Mohammed Abu Khdier, the 16-year old Palestinian from Jerusalem who was abducted and burned alive in July 2014. (Photo: AFP)

In Israel the identities of minors accused of crimes is sealed. Such lengthy prison terms are rare for underage criminals in Israeli courts, even so the Abu Khdeir family is not satisfied with the ruling.

“We are really disappointed feeling sad and angry,” said Amsam Abu Khdeir hours after the judgment was issued. She hoped the court would issue additional punitive measures against the family members of the minors, and vowed her family would appeal for harsher punishment.

“We want to treat them as they treat any Palestinian, to demolish their houses, and withdraw their nationality, and to get a lifetime in prison. As they [the killers] prevent Mohammed from life, they should taste the same and whatever this court sentence is it won’t be enough for us. Nothing will bring Mohammed back to us. They burned him for the second time today” continued Abu Khdeir. 

Over the past year with increased attacks by Palestinians on Israelis in political violence, Israeli courts have upheld the controversial practice of punitive home demolitions against the Palestinian attacker’s family. To date, Israel has not enforced the same policy of deterrence to violence crimes committed by Israeli attackers.

Disagreement on sentencing also existed within the three judge panel that made today’s ruling. Dissenting jurist Rafi Carmel issued a minority opinion in favor of a life sentence for both of the convicted.

“In circumstances where all lines of legality and morality are crossed, personal considerations [that led to the lighter sentence] must be rejected in light of the public interest and the need for uncompromising deterrence,” Carmel’s decision said, reported the Times of Israel.

A third accused of killing Abu Khdier, alleged ringleader Yosef Chaim Ben-David, 31, a resident of the West Bank settlement of Adam, is still awaiting sentencing. He was supposed to be the first of the three to receive punishment in court last month, however, his lawyers filed a petition for the judges to review a new physiological evaluation–Ben-David confessed to the crime days after the killing and led police on a reenactment tour across Jerusalem. His punishment will be issued in the coming days on February 11th.

The state’s attorney prosecuting the case is seeking another life sentence.

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  1. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    February 4, 2016, 3:44 pm

    So, after a YEAR AND A HALF they finally got a sentence for only two of them because the other guy has to get yet another psych evaluation. It’s still not over. These are stiff sentences but it remains to be seen whether they will stand.

    So far as I am aware no one in their respective communities turned them in. The cops had to come and get them. I mention this because Palestinians are routinely condemned for not turning in their people when they commit violent acts. Well, I did not see anyone from that settlement where the Duma killers lived turning them in either. Remember, this is the justification for collective punishment which is NEVER applied to Jews because, well, it’s a apartheid regime.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      February 4, 2016, 8:20 pm

      Good point ABC, we all know by now that their vicious criminals always have privileges, are treated like precious cargo, and most of the time, gets away with their crimes however vicious it may be. Meanwhile poor Palestinian kids who supposedly throw stones, languish in Israeli jails without any legal representation, and apparently abused, according to international organizations. Israeli murderers from illegal settlements are such a pampered lot.

  2. Herchel
    Herchel
    February 4, 2016, 7:48 pm

    No punitive measures? You mean aside from a life sentence for the 17 year old and a 20 year sentence for the 16 year old? How exactly did you become so unmoored from reality?

    Look, if you really want to see a double standard, how about the (non)coverage of the 3 arab MK’s that met with the families of the terrorists that killed innocent Israeli’s yesterday. If Bibi met with the parents of these Jewish murders it would be front page news and unmitigated outrage. Not so much here… to busy complaining that the life sentence handed down was not long enough.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4762275,00.html

    • John O
      John O
      February 5, 2016, 8:02 am

      You mean the MKs had the cheek to copy the actions of Ayalet Shaked??

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.693756

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 5, 2016, 8:11 am

      || Herchel: No punitive measures? You mean aside from a life sentence for the 17 year old and a 20 year sentence for the 16 year old? How exactly did you become so unmoored from reality? … ||

      Punitive measures:

      “We are really disappointed feeling sad and angry,” said Amsam Abu Khdeir hours after the judgment was issued. She hoped the court would issue additional punitive measures against the family members of the minors …

      “We want to treat them as they treat any Palestinian, to demolish their houses, and withdraw their nationality, and to get a lifetime in prison. …

      Surely if it’s good enough for non-Jews, it’s good enough for Jews, yes?

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        February 5, 2016, 8:42 am

        eljay:

        “We want to treat them as they treat any Palestinian, to demolish their houses, and withdraw their nationality, and to get a lifetime in prison…”

        Surely if it’s good enough for non-Jews, it’s good enough for Jews, yes?

        —————

        Alternately, if it’s wrong for non-Jews, it’s wrong for Jews.

        Shouldn’t the goal be to get Israel to end house demolition etc., rather than than get Israel engage in house demolition without discrimination?

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 5, 2016, 9:07 am

        || Sibiriak: Alternately, if it’s wrong for non-Jews, it’s wrong for Jews. … ||

        Most definitely.

        || … Shouldn’t the goal be to get Israel to end house demolition etc., rather than than get Israel engage in house demolition without discrimination? ||

        Yes, it should. My comment was meant to address Herchel’s feigned ignorance of the existing double-standard.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      February 5, 2016, 11:33 am

      “No punitive measures? You mean aside from a life sentence for the 17 year old and a 20 year sentence for the 16 year old? How exactly did you become so unmoored from reality?”

      Wow. Talk about unmoored from reality.

      Had these kids been Palestinians and the victims Jewish, they almost certainly would be dead without trial and their homes and the homes of their family and probably neighbors would have been destroyed.

      How long can you cling to this delusionary view of Israel that: 1. Has been implanted into your brain from birth; and 2. Is so clearly and obviously false?

    • zaid
      zaid
      February 5, 2016, 12:37 pm

      I support the move by the Arab MK’s.

      The demands of the families is logical and legitimate and they need officials to listen to them.

      No normal county would refuses to return the dead bodies of human beings to their families for proper burial!

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 5, 2016, 2:40 pm

        Zaid,

        Feb 1, 1962 Syria exchanged the body of an Israeli soldier

        April 1968 Jordan exchanged body of one Israeli soldier. The other two coffins that were supposed to contain two more dead Israeli soldiers contained only dirt. The two bodies are still missing.

        April 1975 Egypt exchanged the bodies of 39 IDF soldiers

        Sept 1991 Israel exchanges two prisoners for the body of a Druze soldier

        October 2000 Hezbollah trades the bodies of three IDF soldiers

        October 2007 Hezbollah trades the remains of an Israeli citizen who washed up on Lebanese shores after drowning.

        June 2008 Hezbollah trades up to 20 bodies of IDF soldiers

        July 2008 Hezbollah trades the bodies of two IDF soldiers

        So, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Hezbollah all have held the bodies of both soldiers and civilians and refused to release them to the families. I don’t condone the practice, but it is not Israel alone who follows this pattern.

      • annie
        annie
        February 5, 2016, 2:51 pm

        October 2000 Hezbollah trades the bodies of three IDF soldiers

        October 2007 Hezbollah trades the remains of an Israeli citizen who washed up on Lebanese shores after drowning.

        June 2008 Hezbollah trades up to 20 bodies of IDF soldiers

        July 2008 Hezbollah trades the bodies of two IDF soldiers

        oh wow, any idea what they traded them for jon.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 5, 2016, 3:43 pm

        Annie,

        Zaid said, “No normal county would refuses to return the dead bodies of human beings to their families for proper burial! – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/double-standard-seen-as-israel-sentences-minors-involved-in-mohammed-abu-khdeir-murder-to-prison-terms-but-no-punitive-measures/#sthash.vEGhSSKi.dpuf

        I am merely pointing out that by his standards there are a number of ‘abnormal’ countries in the region. As I said, if it were up to me I would like to see the bodies returned as soon as possible for burial. However, if it’s legit for the warring parties to hold bodies as currency for future exchange than I don’t think you can single out Israel.

      • annie
        annie
        February 5, 2016, 4:19 pm

        t’s legit for the warring parties to hold bodies as currency for future exchange

        ha! you do not want to answer my question. these were pow exchanges, common after wars. how many lebanese being held in israel prisons did they trade those bodies for? but israel is occupying palestine and holding thousands of them prisoners — therefore, they have no need to hold these bodies. this has been going on for decades so please do not compare it with hezbollah 08, jordan ’68 or egypt ’75. you insult our intelligence.

        your excuse is “warring parties to hold bodies as currency”? this is a military OCCUPATION. big dif, and everyone knows it too. israel has no legitimacy doing this and everyone knows it. they use these bodies for blackmail and to hurt individual and families. the PA has no means, no “currency” here and everyone knows it.

        and besides, israel will just make a deal and turn around and take it back 6 months later like they did last time. they are sadistic and can produce dead bodies at the drop of a hat by killing more and more people. it’s gross.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 5, 2016, 4:52 pm

        Annie,

        I wasn’t avoiding your question. It was not a POW exchange. The exchange was live POWs for corpses. None of the exchanges I listed were POW exchanges.

        You are ignoring Zaid’s post in which he says that no normal country does this. So either there are other normal countries that do this, or none of these countries are normal.

        I don’t think there is any excuse to hold the dead from proper burial, but if you think it’s proper for some, then it should be proper for all.

      • Kris
        Kris
        February 5, 2016, 4:55 pm

        There is a good reason why Israel refuses to release the bodies of the Palestinians the IDF kills, and it is the same reason that Israel insists that when it does return bodies, that the bodies be returned after dark and buried immediately, thus avoiding autopsies and scrutiny.

        According to media information, the Israeli government is demanding that concerned families agree to the bodies of their relatives be returned after nightfall and buried immediately,only in the presence of a few family members, allegedly to minimize the risk of public and media attention during funerals. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/palestinians-in-hebron-demand-israel-return-bodies-of-family-members-killed-by-the-idf/#sthash.8bGmTnxx.dpuf

        Israeli Jews need organ transplants, but Israeli Jews don’t believe in donating their organs. And why should they, when they can get all they need by killing healthy, young Palestinians?

        The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel’s Abu Kabir forensic institute, Dr. Jehuda Hiss. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic, who released it because of a huge controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to harvest their organs. Israel hotly denied the charge.

        Parts of the interview were broadcast on Israel’s Channel 2 TV over the weekend. In it, Hiss said, “We started to harvest corneas … Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family.”

        The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

        In a response to the TV report, the Israeli military confirmed that the practice took place. “This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer,” the military said in a statement quoted by Channel 2.

        In the interview, Hiss described how his doctors would mask the removal of corneas from bodies. “We’d glue the eyelid shut,” he said. “We wouldn’t take corneas from families we knew would open the eyelids.”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/israel-admits-harvesting_n_399623.html

        Of course, Israel claimed that this harvesting of organs from Palestinians had stopped. But then in November, 2015:

        In a letter to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, dated Tuesday, Palestinian ambassador Riyad Mansour decried what he called “Israel’s persistent aggression against the Palestinian people.

        “After returning the seized bodies of the Palestinians killed by the occupying forces through October, and following medical examinations, it has been reported that the bodies were returned with missing corneas and other organs, further confirming past reports about organ harvesting by the occupying Power from the Palestinian victims of its brutality,” Mansour wrote.
        http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/05/israel-rejects-palestinian-un-ambassadors-organ-harvesting-claim.html

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 5, 2016, 5:35 pm

        Kris,
        If that’s proven true then is despicable. That should never occur.

      • annie
        annie
        February 5, 2016, 6:01 pm

        None of the exchanges I listed were POW exchanges.

        i am not going to play semantics with you. hezhollah exchanged dead bodies for live prisoners. call them pow call them what you will. my point stands. israel already has thousands of palestinian prisoners so there is no moral incentive to keep palestinian deceased from their families.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 5, 2016, 6:21 pm

        If that’s proven true then is despicable. That should never occur.

        If?” It is confirmed. Or did they just forget to send the missing parts? Oh, of course, the Palestinians cut them off to try to make Israel look bad?

        And “That should never occur” is just the Zionist way of saying: ‘If it’s true, I don’t care,I abdicate responsibility.’
        That’s what it adds up to.

      • Kris
        Kris
        February 5, 2016, 7:24 pm

        @Jon66: “If that’s proven true then is despicable.”

        Consider Israel’s history of illegal organ harvesting, Israel’s prevention of autopsies on IDF-murdered Palestinians, and Palestinian ambassador Riyad Mansour’s letter to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

        Israel holds the bodies long enough for decomposition to have taken place (less likely that the heartbroken family can bear to examine the body very closely), Israel insists on returning the bodies after dark, and Israel insists that the funerals take place extremely quickly, without a chance for autopsies to be done.

        If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it almost always is a duck.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        February 5, 2016, 7:53 pm

        @jon66
        “If that’s proven true then is despicable.”

        Yes proof is required despite the fact that holding the bodies is a contravention of international law and, more particularly, considering Israel actually has admitted form for doing this in the past.

        When it comes to Palestinians, however, no proof is required to justify extrajudicial murder despite the fact no crime is proven and in some case video evidence proves that no knives were initially present.

        zionist life is precious while Palestinian life. Jewish life, not so much, unless they are of the proper political bent otherwise they are labelled traitors to the tribe.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 5, 2016, 8:23 pm

        “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck”

        You try to cross that river on a chicken, and you’ll know viaduct!

      • Kris
        Kris
        February 5, 2016, 10:16 pm

        From Mooser’s link:

        Israel’s former ambassador to the UK has been accused of inviting men and boys for trysts late at night when his wife was not home. A British policeman filed a complaint with Israeli authorities about the incidents. A further investigation by the foreign ministry’s inspector general found that UK-born Ambassador Daniel Taub, who was ambassador from 2011-2015, violated security protocol by not notifying his chief of security of the identity of the visitors. The purpose of recording visitors is in order to prevent Israeli diplomatic personnel from being blackmailed or compromised. Since MI5 knew of Taub’s activities, the Israeli foreign ministry was concerned that he might be compromised by them or that one of his paramours might attempt to extort payments from him. http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2016/02/israels-ambassador-daniel-taub-is.html

        More on this story here: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/ , and here: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/23745-the-israeli-ambassador-affair-should-concern-us-all-not-just-tel-aviv .

        Probably Israeli Ambassador Daniel Taub, the father of six children, got used to sexually abusing children while he was in the IDF; 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody are sexually abused there; almost 100% of these children are tortured. Torture is sexually exciting to sadists.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 6, 2016, 8:14 am

        Annie,

        It’s not semantics.

        Zaidan said, “No normal county would refuses to return the dead bodies of human beings to their families for proper burial! – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/double-standard-seen-as-israel-sentences-minors-involved-in-mohammed-abu-khdeir-murder-to-prison-terms-but-no-punitive-measures/#sthash.Ms6ZcSvf.dpuf

        He was not speaking of an exchange of prisoners. He specifically said “dead bodies” for “proper burial”. My comments are limited to inaccuracies of his post. The exchanges I listed were all for the return of the “dead bodies” of Israelis, not prisoner exchanges.

        As to why Israel keeps them, it’s all conjecture. My response to his post remains the same. Specifically that Israel practices the same policies toward the remains of its fallen enemies as do its neighbors. Again, personally, I think all parties should immediately return the bodies to family ASAP and not hold the dead for ransom. POWs are a different story.

      • annie
        annie
        February 6, 2016, 11:46 am

        Israel practices the same policies toward the remains of its fallen enemies as do its neighbors.

        but israel is not in the same category as it’s neighbors wrt this issue because israel is an occupier. palestinians are not israel’s “neighbors”, it is the governing power. to make an equivalence you’d have yo find another country who kept the remains of people under their own rule as a means of collective punishment and a way to control their population.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 6, 2016, 8:16 am

        Kris,

        “IDF; 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody are sexually abused there; almost 100% of these children are tortured. Torture is sexually exciting to sadists. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/double-standard-seen-as-israel-sentences-minors-involved-in-mohammed-abu-khdeir-murder-to-prison-terms-but-no-punitive-measures/#sthash.yUQBPii5.dpuf

        Do you have a link to the report? All I could find was a link to an article referencing it but I could not find the original PPS paper.

        Thanks

      • annie
        annie
        February 6, 2016, 12:10 pm

        http://www.unicef.org/oPt/UNICEF_oPt_Children_in_Israeli_Military_Detention_Observations_and_Recommendations_-_6_March_2013.pdf

        The interrogation mixes intimidation, threats and physical violence, with the
        clear purpose of forcing the child to confess. Children are restrained during the
        interrogation, in some cases to the chair they are sitting on. This sometimes
        continues for extended periods of time, resulting in pain to their hands, back
        and legs. Children have been threatened with death, physical violence, solitary
        confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 6, 2016, 5:47 pm

        Annie,

        I think we have to agree to disagree about the issue of using human remains as bargaining chips. I think the practic is wrong in principle, but I think it is widely used by Isarwl and its enemies. I still hold that Zaid is wrong is saying that Israel is unique in this regard.

        Thank you for the link, but I couldn’t find any of the stats Kris quoted and saw no mention of sexual abuse.

      • annie
        annie
        February 6, 2016, 11:47 pm

        ok, agree to disagree. and for an adolescent teen, threatening to rape your little sister or your mother is a form of sexual abuse. not that it’s limited to that, because it isn’t (they make them strip, frequently and more) but just saying. if you saw no sexual abuse in the threat alone — reconsider.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 7, 2016, 8:18 am

        @zaid, no normal country has to endure the constant vilification from Palestinians unwilling to accept Israel’s right to exist.
        @annie, “Israel is not occupying Palestine” and writing what you say in bold doesn’t make what you say true. There has never been a declared sovereign Palestinian Arab state so Israel is only occupying land which is in dispute. For the “occupied territory” to become Palestine the Palestinians have to prove they will live in peace alongside Israel otherwise Israel would be suicidal to vacate the occupied areas under their control.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 7, 2016, 9:35 am

        Annie,

        I agree that threatening children is wrong.

        Kris had some very specific numbers and I did not see them in the report you linked. The only source seems to be a press release covering the other report.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2016, 11:37 am

        “@zaid, no normal country has to endure the constant vilification from Palestinians unwilling to accept Israel’s right to exist.”

        Okay, “Mayhemilla” if you tell us exactly where Israel has a “right to exist” maybe we can get someplace. And Israel’s borders are:…….? I’ll wait.

      • zaid
        zaid
        February 7, 2016, 12:38 pm

        “no normal country has to endure the constant vilification from Palestinians unwilling to accept Israel’s right to exist.”

        Palestinians don’t have to endure 7 decades of Occupation and they have the right to vilify ,reject and resist peacefully and violently Israel right to exist on their Home land as per International Law.

        By the way no country in the world have the right to exist.
        Countries dont have rights, people have rights and that includes Palestinians.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 7, 2016, 1:10 pm

        || Mayhem: … no normal country has to endure the constant vilification from Palestinians unwilling to accept Israel’s right to exist. … ||

        No normal country has to endure the constant vilification from an entire world unwilling to accept Islamic State’s right to exist. But you don’t see them crying like little girls about it. Captain Israel must be more than a little embarrassed right now… :-(

        What neither the Palestinians nor anyone else should be expected or required to accept are:
        – Israel’s existence as an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state;
        – its belligerence, intransigence and (war) criminal behaviour;
        – its refusal to honour its obligations under international law (including RoR of refugees); and
        – its refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        (Similar limitations apply to I.S.)

      • Kris
        Kris
        February 7, 2016, 4:21 pm

        @Jon66:

        “IDF; 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody are sexually abused there; almost 100% of these children are tortured. Torture is sexually exciting to sadists.”

        Do you have a link to the report? All I could find was a link to an article referencing it but I could not find the original PPS paper.

        The report that specifically stated that 40% of Palestinian children in IDF custody have been sexually abused was written by the Palestinian Prisoners Club (PPC), and seems to be available only in Arabic. These stats were reported widely in English. For Palestinians, there is a lot of shame around being victims of sexual abuse, and therefore a reluctance to discuss these matters.

        I’ve provided a number of links below for you, below, on the torture and sexual abuse of Palestinian children by the IDF.

        A justice group for Palestinians arrested in Israel has released an explosive report claiming that 40% of children detained by Israeli authorities in Jerusalem have been subjected to sexual abuse at the hands of Israeli police. … An attorney with the organisation, the Palestinian Prisoners Club, Mufeed al-Haj, says other violations were reported during the apprehension of children, including night and dawn raids on family homes, and sexual and physical abuse. …

        Palestinian Prisoners Club: The PPC is an independent Palestinian organisation set up in 1993, made of 1,600 former Palestinians who spent at least a year in Israeli jails. The club supports Palestinians in Israeli jails by funding legal aid, political action, and by supporting their families.

        In March 2013, the United Nation’s children fund (Unicef) found that the ill-treatment of Palestinian minors held in Israeli military detention centres is “widespread, systematic and institutionalised”.

        The UNICEF report that examined the Israeli military court system for holding Palestinian children found evidence of practices it said were “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment”. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-240-palestinian-children-sexually-abused-jerusalem-detention-centres-group-claims-1476061

        “Children in Israeli Military Detention,”
        http://www.unicef.org/oPt/UNICEF_oPt_Children_in_Israeli_Military_Detention_Observations_and_Recommendations_-_6_March_2013.pdf . From the report:

        The interrogation mixes intimidation, threats and physical violence, with the
        clear purpose of forcing the child to confess. Children are restrained during the
        interrogation, in some cases to the chair they are sitting on. This sometimes
        continues for extended periods of time, resulting in pain to their hands, back
        and legs. Children have been threatened with death, physical violence, solitary
        confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member.
        Most children confess at the end of the interrogation. The interrogator prints out
        some forms and orders the child to sign them, though the child often lacks a proper
        understanding of their contents. In most cases the forms are in Hebrew, which the
        overwhelming majority of Palestinian children do not understand.

        http://www.imemc.org/article/69791

        https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/07/19/israel-security-forces-abuse-palestinian-children

        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/israeli-abuse-of-palestinian-children-systematic_n_2817231.html

        http://www.haaretz.com/over-100-palestinian-minors-reported-abuse-in-idf-police-custody-in-2009-1.292679

        http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2016/01/palestinian-israeli-update-1162016-throwing-stones-2771524.html

        http://bennorton.com/40-percent-of-palestinian-children-detained-by-israel-are-sexually-abused-virtually-all-are-tortured/

        https://www.mecaforpeace.org/news/israel-240-palestinian-children-sexually-abused-jerusalem-detention-centres-group-claims

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        February 7, 2016, 5:30 pm

        Kris,

        Thanks

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2016, 5:43 pm

        “I’ve provided a number of links below for you…”

        Thank you, “Kris”.

        I gotta admit, “Jon66” is a prize SQUELCHER.

      • Zofia
        Zofia
        February 7, 2016, 6:49 pm

        @Mayhem
        w8, what? “disputed”- rly? Despite all the international law, etc. you still call it like that? Yoram Dinstein, Benvenisty, below I give other names, you can read their works about the occupation.

        First: deal with the fact there was Palestinian Mandate that was categorised as “A”. What does that mean?:
        The United Nations Division for Palestinian Rights, in a 1990 document titled “The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: 1917-1988, Part I 1917-1947:
        …The degree of tutelage was to depend on the extent of political maturity of the territory concerned. The most developed would be classified as ‘A’ Mandates…. All the mandates over Arab countries, including Palestine, were treated as class ‘A’ Mandates, applicable to territories whose independence had been provisionally recognized in the Covenant of the League of Nations.
        REPEAT: TERRITORIES WHOSE INDEPENDENCE HAD BEEN PROVISIONALLY RECOGNIZED.

        NEXT: The partition was ONLY added because of the internal conflict. Palestinian independence was still actual, even after 1947!!
        Palestinian Government did in fact declare independence on 1 October 1948, as the partition resolution required – Zionist did it earlier – why? Flapan in “Birth of israel” answers that question well.

        NEXT: In the resolution the name “Jewish” was used because there was no particular name to use, it didn’t mean that future state was to be “Jewish”- whatever that’s supposed to mean…, in fact even in the “Jewish” part Jews weren’t to be the majority. UN partition plan envisioned that there would be a Palestinian Arab majority (Arabs=509.780, Jews= 499.020 in Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question. Report of Sub-Committee 2: unispal.un.org/pdfs/AAC1432.pdf on page 41)- Zionists knew that very well…

        People in that state didn’t have any right to any territory beyond the borders for that state.

        Palestinians- AS THE SOVEREIGN- decided that they need help. Both Gaza Strip and West Bank [as it was later called]- were never annexed to Egypt and Jordan.
        THEY NEVER GAVE UP THEIR SOVEREIGNTY to Jordan during the Jericho Congress. Every time the Palestinian issue came up during Arab League meetings it was confirmed that Palestinians are a sovereign nation, and are not part of any other state (Palestinian territory belongs to them), like in Rabat 1974. UN did the same [example, res. no 605, 607, 608].
        http://www.passia.org/publications/information_papers/Jordan-Disengagement-eng.htm
        Shlaim, The Rise and Fall of the All-Palestine Government in Gaza or Confronting an Empire, Constructing a Nation: Arab Nationalists and Popular Politics in Mandate Palestine, by Weldon Matthews.

        In 1967 Israel STARTED the war [http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/folks-talking-palestine/#comment-739890] and even that has no meaning because NO TERRITORY CAN BE GAINED THROUGH WAR, since any government can say it was only defending itself!
        Read this report[its online]:“Pre-emptive War:” the Six Day War Revisited Ersun N. Kurtulus AND Orna Ben-Naftali, Aeyal M. Gross & Keren Michaeli “Illegal Occupation: Framing the Occupied Palestinian Terrority”.

        You should deal with the facts already.

        Future “Jewish” territory was that of the 1947 Partition Plan + 1949 armistice agreement- NOTHING BEYOND THAT- The armistice agreements were intended to serve only as interim agreements until replaced by permanent peace treaties.
        REMEMBER that Palestinians also declared independence as Zionist did, after the termination of the Palestine Mandate, Palestinians used the opportunity to exercise their right to self-determination. That meant they could determine their own political status.They asked Transjordan and Egypt for help, but they STILL HAD their SOVEREIGNTY as confirmed by other Arab states and the UN. Jordan NEVER ANNEXED Palestine! The same goes for Gaza Strip- it was never annexed by Egypt.

        In no way that territory is disputed: it belongs to the Palestinians. Zionists can’t do anything outside 1947 Partition Plan and 1949 armistice lines. After 1967 Israel ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED the territory. The reports are above.

        As to your other nonsense… Palestinians DON’T have to PROVE they will live in peace alongside Israel to get rid of the illegal Israeli occupation (OMG, how? How would Israel prove that itself, that it will live in peace with others?!, how can any other country do that?) Since when a nation must do that to gain independence?- look how Israel was created. Israel attacked its neighbours many times – and? There is international law to uphold, but that’s it. What you write is pure nonsense.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2016, 7:38 pm

        Thanks, “Zofia”. Thanks.

        And some great SQUELCHING by “Jon66” and “Mayhem”. Body-stealing, and child abuse, and, just for good measure, a concise accounting of Israel’s intransigence.
        Anything else you two need explicated, confirmed and linked?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 8, 2016, 4:37 am

        Thank you, Zofia. Your knowledge of the history is impressive, and is a wonderful counter to the Hasbara.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    February 5, 2016, 4:39 am

    RE: “A third accused of killing Abu Khdier, alleged ringleader Yosef Chaim Ben-David, 31, a resident of the West Bank settlement of Adam, is still awaiting sentencing. . . Ben-David confessed to the crime days after the killing and led police on a reenactment tour across Jerusalem.” ~ Deger

    TO GET A TASTE OF THE UNMITIGATED DEPRAVITY INVOLVED IN THIS HUMAN SACRIFICE, SEE: “Abu Khdeir murder suspect recounts grisly killing” | by Daniel K. Eisenbud | JerusalemPost.com | August13, 2014

    [EXCERPTS] Chilling testimony from the main suspect in the July 2 murder of 16-year-old east Jerusalem resident Muhammad Abu Khdeir confirmed the brutal homicide was indeed rooted in revenge for the three yeshiva students abducted and killed by Hamas operatives in June. . .

    . . . During his testimony, the alleged ringleader behind the kidnapping and subsequent torture of Abu Khdeir, said he first discussed seeking revenge following the funerals of Gil- Ad Shaer, 16, Eyal Yifrah, 19, and Naftali Fraenkel, 16.

    “We began talking about what happened, about the kidnapped youths, and decided that they needed to be avenged,” he said in his testimony.

    “I was furious at [the killers] while the entire country was silently praying.”

    According to Ben-David, the three then agreed to go on a “human hunt” for an Arab victim.

    “We planned to hurt a soul, meaning to kill… to torture him and kill him,” he told police, adding that he wanted his victim “to know that he was about to die as a sacrifice [i.e., a human sacrifice – J.L.D.] for the Jews that were murdered.”

    To that end, Ben-David testified that he filled three empty bottles with the gasoline used to burn their victim alive. . .

    . . . Shortly after forcing Abu Khdeir into his car in Beit Hanina as he waited to enter a mosque to pray during the month of Ramadan, Ben-David testified that he decided to kill him when he struggled with him en route to the Jerusalem Forest, where his corpse was found by police hours later.

    “[He] began to thrash around, shouted Allahu Akbar! (God is Great), swore and cursed… I told (one of the unidentified minors) to finish him and make sure he doesn’t get up, because those guys have seven lives. [Abu Khdeir] started gurgling and eventually he stopped fighting.”

    Upon arriving at the forest, Ben-David said he parked the vehicle, turned off the headlights, took Abu Khdeir out of the car and repeatedly beat him over the head with a crowbar while screaming that the attack was revenge for the murders of Shaer, Yifrah and Fraenkel.

    Shortly thereafter, the 29-year-old told one of his teenage accomplices to retrieve the three bottles of gasoline, which they used to douse Abu Khdeir’s badly beaten body.

    “I took out a lighter and set him on fire… everything was alight,” said Ben-David. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Abu-Khdeir-murder-suspect-recounts-grisly-killing-370911

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 5, 2016, 2:19 pm

      What is so ghoulishly fascinating is Herchel’s blithe assumption that Israelis, settlers who murder like this (beat and burn to death) are only a danger to Palestinians. And that’s the only reason they might be imprisoned.

  4. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    February 5, 2016, 8:06 am

    @Herchel
    “No punitive measures? You mean aside from a life sentence for the 17 year old and a 20 year sentence for the 16 year old? How exactly did you become so unmoored from reality”

    So Herchel since you seem to think that you are moored in reality please answer these questions.

    Do you think that the homes of these killers should be demolished as they would be if they were Palestinians convicted of the same crime? If not why not ? And if not how is that not in reality a double standard ?

    Looking forward to your response. I am sure that you will be eager to explain.

  5. ravipop
    ravipop
    February 5, 2016, 5:24 pm

    His actions are also vicious, as he captured the deceased, prevented him from resisting, assisted in strangling him. But nevertheless, he did not take part physically in the last stage that led to his beating and the pouring of fuel or oil on his body,” the sentencing statement said.

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