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In the last 24 hours the hiring of Simone Zimmerman as Bernie Sanders’s Jewish outreach director has caught fire on the internet, thanks to the pro-Israel community’s outrage that she doesn’t like Israeli PM Netanyahu. Zimmerman expressed herself on Facebook during the Gaza slaughter of 2014.

“Fuck you, Bibi… you sanctioned the murder of over 2,000 people this summer.”

Then over Netanyahu’s showing up the president last March by speaking at Congress to try to upend the Iran deal:

 “Bibi Netanyahu is an arrogant, deceptive, cynical, manipulative asshole.”

This is a good debate to have. Bernie Sanders surely recognizes that many Democrats were disgusted and enraged at  Netanyahu’s speech to Congress a year ago. Sanders boycotted Netanyahu’s speech and so did many members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Some of those Democrats remember that Netanyahu urged the U.S. to invade Iraq 14 years ago to remake the Middle East; and Hillary Clinton listened to him then.

And yet Hillary Clinton two days ago replighted her vow to invite Netanyahu to the White House in the first month as president. And in a snipe at Sanders, she “pointed out that Sanders chose not to go to Washington to address the AIPAC policy conference.”

So lines are forming over Netanyahu and the Israel lobby; and you’d hope that the issue comes up in tonight’s debate. You’d hope that Sanders will declare, I am no fan of Benjamin Netanyahu or of AIPAC, and Clinton and he will clash over the matter.

Here’s some of the incoming. Like me, the neoconservative echo chamber is trying to politicize Zimmerman. Jennifer Rubin in the Washington Post calls Zimmerman an “anti-Israeli activist” because she called Netanyahu a mass murderer. But remember, Netanyahu killed over 500 children in Gaza 2 years ago in attacks that Bernie Sanders has said were disproportionate. Rubin quotes fellow neocon Noah Pollak:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) isn’t even trying to hide his anti-Israel bias. “The Sanders campaign’s newly hired Jewish outreach director wrote an expletive-laden Facebook post last year that condemned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a mass-murderer…”

More from the neoconservative that Rubin is echoing, Noah Pollak at the Free Beacon: He says that J Street, for whom Zimmerman once worked, is an anti-Israel group.

The choice of Zimmerman, a young anti-Israel activist with a history of support for the BDS movement [this is not the case], signaled that the Sanders campaign was not retreating from recent campaign behavior that many in the pro-Israel community viewed as hostile.

Sanders turned down an invitation to speak at the annual AIPAC conference, a bipartisan campaign stop for Republican and Democratic politicians. Zimmerman condemned Hillary Clinton’s speech to the AIPAC conference as “racist and orientalist.” Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer on Sunday called Sanders’s recent comments about Israel’s conduct during fighting with the Hamas terrorist group “libelous.”

Zimmerman comes to the Sanders campaign after a stint as an undergraduate at Berkeley, where she headed the campus chapter of J Street, an anti-Israel lobbying and activist group.

The Hill notes the attention Zimmerman is getting for her views of Netanyahu.

The new Jewish outreach director for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is getting attention for a Facebook post written last year that attacked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Democratic establishment doesn’t want this battle to break out. It’s as worried that the Israel question and other anti-establishment principles could break up the party, just as the Republican establishment is panicked by Trump. Michelle Goldberg at Slate fears Zimmerman will expose a rift between “millennials”and liberals. To make this argument, Goldberg approvingly cites Israeli promoter Ari Shavit, who has espoused Netanyahu policies and justified the Gaza slaughter.

By hiring Zimmerman, Sanders is once again connecting with a strain of millennial politics that otherwise has little representation. Just as millennials have rejected the pro-capitalist consensus of their elders—polls show them to be the only generation to prefer socialism—they also reject reflexive support of Israel. (In a Pew survey taken during the conflict in Gaza, adults between 18–29 were the only group to hold Israel more responsible for the fighting than Hamas.)

In February, after spending time on American college campuses, Israeli journalist Ari Shavit wrote about Zionism’s “millennial crisis.” “[T]he most pressing existential threat we face is the clash between Zionism and the zeitgeist of the 21st century,” wrote Shavit. “The fact is that while most young people in North America and Europe have adopted universal values, both Israel and the organized Jewish world are perceived as tribal.”

Yet if hiring Zimmerman taps into the zeitgeist, it also opens Sanders up to a fusillade of attacks….. Were Sanders actually the nominee, Zimmerman’s hiring would spark a multiday festival of manufactured outrage….

Maybe that’s a battle worth having, for the sake of our foreign policy and Palestinian human rights. Maybe it’s time to let Americans discuss these issues openly. Maybe it’s time for American Jews to divide over Zionist tribalism/Is it good for the Jews issues. After all, you’d think that attacking Netanyahu, who tried to show up our president and start yet another war in the Middle East, would be a Democratic position worth politicizing. Goldberg doesn’t want Israel politicized, even if Zimmerman is right, because the powers that be are pro-Israel.

The question, to me, is not whether it’s OK as a matter of principal to called Netanyahu an asshole—he most assuredly is. It’s whether a Democratic candidate for president can afford to be associated with that sentiment.

Brookings Fellow Norm Eisen:

Maybe she should be called the “Jewish outrage director,” or “Jewish outretch director.”

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  1. Marnie
    Marnie
    April 14, 2016, 11:38 am

    “Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) isn’t even trying to hide his anti-Israel bias. “The Sanders campaign’s newly hired Jewish outreach director wrote an expletive-laden Facebook post last year that condemned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a mass-murderer…”

    Get the smelling salts – ma is having the vapors again! And its about expletive deleted time! The faux outrage is hilarious. If he thinks her language is rough, I guess he’s never heard of Anat Cohen.

    I hope Ms. Zimmerman shakes things up and gets people talking – finally, truthfully, about that huge elephant in the american living room called the zionist enterprise.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 14, 2016, 5:58 pm

      “faux outrage”

      Well put! Israel’s mask of fake morality is coming off as the facts are coming out. When enough voters learn the truth, it will be a catastrophe for the thoroughly corrupt establishment. No cleverly calculated misleads will suffice to save Israel’s thoroughly disgraced political puppets. Their smiley faces will be swept away in the river of sewage. Hillary will be tightly bound to the criminal team of Lloyd Blankfein and Benjamin Netanyahu, who fuel her campaign with ill-gotten gains from massive crimes against Americans and Palestinians, while they collaborate behind the scenes. People get angry when they discover someone they trusted is swindling them. They even change their votes.

  2. hophmi
    hophmi
    April 14, 2016, 11:38 am

    ” It’s as worried that the Israel question could bring the party down as the Republican establishment is panicked by Trump. ”

    What evidence is there that the Democratic Establishment is as worried about Israel as the GOP Establishment is about Trump? Zimmerman isn’t going to keep the Democratic nominee from being elected like Trump will keep the GOP nominee from being elected.

    The values espoused by Trump are shared by around 1/3 of the populace. The values espoused by anti-Israel leftists are shared by maybe 1/20 of the populace.

    • eljay
      eljay
      April 14, 2016, 12:35 pm

      || hophmi: … The values espoused by anti-Israel leftists are shared by maybe 1/20 of the populace. ||

      It’s truly disheartening to know that 80% of Americans are so uninformed, indoctrinated, hypocritical and/or immoral that they will support aggression, oppression, theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture, murder, belligerence, intransigence and supremacism simply because Jews are the ones committing the (war) crimes.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 14, 2016, 12:52 pm

        || eljay: It’s truly disheartening to know that 80% of Americans … ||

        Correction: It’s utterly disheartening to know that 95% of Americans …

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        April 14, 2016, 6:04 pm

        They are mainly uninformed, due to the massive misinformation campaign of the controlled Establishment Media..

    • bryan
      bryan
      April 14, 2016, 1:23 pm

      “What evidence is there that the Democratic Establishment is as worried about Israel as the GOP Establishment is about Trump?” Hophmi, can you ever put an argument forward without misquoting, or without cherry-picking, or perhaps you are not just downright dishonest, but just read and hear what you want to. Phil’s specific reference was to Democratic Establishment concern about Israel AND other anti-establishment principles. In truth Israel is the least of the problem; a politician talking about disproportionate killing worries the Israeli establishment far more than it does the Democratic establishment, since the latter must have known that the truth would eventual come out; but a full frontal assault on American political corruption, the power of unelected lobbies, the perversion of the system by Wall Street, the injustice of the tax system, healthcare and education, and the dysfunctionality of American military imperialism – now you are talking real issues undermining elite power.

      “The values espoused by Trump are shared by around 1/3 of the populace. The values espoused by anti-Israel leftists are shared by maybe 1/20 of the populace”. The values Trump epouses do seem to resound with the politically illiterate, the uneducated and those who have been abused by Republican machine politicians (but often find flag-waving easier than bothering to vote) and those who have lapped up media scapegoating that all US problems are caused by immigrants, but how come polls so consistently say that Sanders would beat Trump? Could that be because he is not anti-Israel (though he does recognise that many Americans are fed up with being exploited by Israel), very few Americans really care about Israel (compared with far more pressing economic, social, environmental and other problems, and because he is not particularly leftist (he would be close to the political centre in much of Europe).

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 5:01 pm

        “Phil’s specific reference was to Democratic Establishment concern about Israel AND other anti-establishment principles”

        It’s not accurate with respect to the Democratic Establishment either.

        “n truth Israel is the least of the problem; a politician talking about disproportionate killing worries the Israeli establishment far more than it does the Democratic establishment, since the latter must have known that the truth would eventual come out”

        Who in the Democratic establishment got super upset about Bernie misstating the casualty rates? I don’t know of anyone. If they expressed dismay, it was more about his lack of basic knowledge.

        “how come polls so consistently say that Sanders would beat Trump”

        Seriously?

        “Could that be because he is not anti-Israel (though he does recognise that many Americans are fed up with being exploited by Israel), very few Americans really care about Israel (compared with far more pressing economic, social, environmental and other problems, and because he is not particularly leftist (he would be close to the political centre in much of Europe).”

        I wouldn’t say that “very few Americans” care about Israel, but very few Americans prioritize Israel (or any foreign policy issue) above all others.

      • bryan
        bryan
        April 15, 2016, 8:59 am

        Hophmi: ““how come polls so consistently say that Sanders would beat Trump” Seriously?”

        Seriously Hophmi are you just trying to embarrass yourself by contradicting everything said here, even by those clearly better informed than you. The latest polling average for a straight Trump-Sanders contest puts Sanders 16.3% ahead. See http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html#!

        Thanks though for your apparent endorsement of two points I was contradicting you upon: (a) the Democratic establishment isn’t really that bothered about Sanders approach to Israel(*), and (b) the American people don’t really care much (or as you paraphrase it, “prioritise”) Israel.

        Some fundraisers may be having kittens, but the Democratic machine knows the Jewish vote is pretty much tied to the party on economic and social issues, and even if a minority of Jewish voters are concerned about support for Israel they will be terrified of the Trump / Cruz alternative.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 15, 2016, 11:21 am

        “Seriously Hophmi are you just trying to embarrass yourself by contradicting everything said here, even by those clearly better informed than you. The latest polling average for a straight Trump-Sanders contest puts Sanders 16.3% ahead. ”

        You misunderstand. I said “seriously?” because you appear to be surprised that Sanders would beat Trump by a wide margin. I’m quite well-informed on the poll numbers.

        “Thanks though for your apparent endorsement of two points I was contradicting you upon: (a) the Democratic establishment isn’t really that bothered about Sanders approach to Israel(*), and (b) the American people don’t really care much (or as you paraphrase it, “prioritise”) Israel.”

        The Establishment isn’t that bothered about Sanders’ position on Israel because it amounts to a criticism of Netanyahu, who’s basically a surrogate Republican, and Americans do not usually vote on the basis of foreign policy.

        You weren’t contradicting me in any way.

      • bryan
        bryan
        April 16, 2016, 9:09 am

        Hophmi – did you even read your original response to Phil that I was taking issue with?

  3. philweiss
    philweiss
    April 14, 2016, 12:17 pm

    Good point, Hophmi, I think I need to soften that turn! But I do think the Dem estblishment is just as crumbly as the Dem one

  4. french_jew
    french_jew
    April 14, 2016, 12:19 pm

    Although I agree with some of the points made here, as usual, the use of “tribalism” by Philip Weiss is vastly counter-productive for different reasons:
    – The problem is Power and Colonialism in the Middle East (and ultimately, the question of oppression) and how a they have been presented as the only viable option by both Jewish leaders and Western Societies to Jews after the Holocaust.
    – Jewish “tribalism” has produced settlers, the Irgun and the national religious movement, but it has also produced the Satmar or the Bund. Both represent forces that had their issues and contradictions of course, especially the haredim, but never has today’s jewish assimilationist antizionist left managed to mobilize against the Israeli state as the haredim or the old jewish socialism did.
    – “Tribalism” does not in itself produce colonialism or oppressive states. The Roma people are “tribalists”, they don’t oppress anyone. The Ashaninka people in the Amazon are “tribalists” and don’t oppress anyone. On the other hand, the French State views itself as “universalist”, yet has actively supported the perpetrators of genocide in Rwanda and other similar acts. It massacred Algerians during their war of independence with no remorse while proclaiming its “universalism” at the same time. The same could be said about America of course. “Tribalism” is just not the central variable here.

    Constantly mobilizing “tribalism” as something to oppose in order to reach an ideal of justice and equality between Jews and Palestinians saps the genuine efforts to combat pro-colonialism from within Jewish life. It prevents anti-colonialism from reaching the ears of people who have been brought up surrounded by the values and language of normative Judaism. It also strengthens the pro-israeli claim to Jewish legitimacy, protection and representation. Finally, it offers no real alternatives to zionism for Jews other than de facto assimilation into Western societies.

    PS: That said, I do agree that bringing this debate out in the open within the US democratic party in this electoral context would help the cause.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      April 14, 2016, 12:42 pm

      great comment, thanks French Jew for suh an intelligent critique. Yes, I do see tribalism as the central variable in the power of the Israel lobby. I don’t think the American people’s interest is served at all by this colonial project. French universalism was undercut by racist colonialism, in ways that I believe my country can transcend, and it would aid this project if the establishment defeats the Israel lobby. Palestinian Lives Matter should be the code. Jewish socialism as an anti-Zionist force is a moribund strain, despite Village Voice effort to resuscitate it. Bernie cant even come out on that. I think universalism is a wonderful ideal for young Americans and young Jews to organize around; and you are right: I recognize that it has assimilationist power. That works for me; but I welcome anyone who wants to revive Jewish life on anti-Zionist principles. Simone Zimmerman seems to be such a person. There are many others. I dont oppose tribalism perse, I dont oppose inmarriage, I respect people who choose inmarriage as an aim — whatever their tribe. Tribes are human, after all. It’s when tribal impulses foster such inhumanity, as they do in Palestine, that they must be called out.

      • french_jew
        french_jew
        April 14, 2016, 1:09 pm

        Thank you for the constructive response. Maybe my personal apprehension around the word “tribalism” might also come from the fact that it is much more loaded in France. These last five years it has been mobilized in the public space by the truly vehement far right and antisemitic agitator Alain Soral. And I’m talking about real antisemitism here, not Israeli propaganda masquerading critiques of its State as “antisemitism”.

        Back to the topic at hand. Another blind spot I forgot to mention in my previous message is that so much of the Israeli State apparatus’ strength comes not from Jewish autonomy and solidarity, but from Western support because the State of Israel is seen as one of its peers, it is seen as a “villa in the jungle”, a “key allie” and of course a vital economic partner (especially regarding the military-industrial complex). This is one of the reasons why a lot of the European far right forces have shifted towards a pro-Israel stance regardless of their past or present antisemitism. There are other variables of course: the state of Israel was chosen by Europe and America to discard themselves of Jewish refugees after the Holocaust, the non-Jewish elements of the pro-Israel lobbieS.

        As for “Universalism”, I am maybe not as optimistic as you are on American, or French for the matter, universalism. American “Universalism” was also undercut by racism and (inner) colonialism. Furthermore, “universalism” in one or its other forms has also been an argument to deligitimise the black power, chicano or native-american movements.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 14, 2016, 1:16 pm

        || french_jew: … Furthermore, “universalism” in one or its other forms has also been an argument to deligitimise the black power, chicano or native-american movements. ||

        Hmmm…no Commenter Profile. rugal_b / a4tech, is that you (again)? :-)

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 3:34 pm

        PHIL- “…I welcome anyone who wants to revive Jewish life on anti-Zionist principles. Simone Zimmerman seems to be such a person. There are many others. I dont oppose tribalism perse….”

        You can have universalism or you can have tribalism, but you can’t have both at the same time and place. And when a modern nation state reverts to various tribal factions, that is called sectarianism, and civil strife frequently follows, perhaps leading to the breakup of the state. That is what happened in Yugoslavia (with US help) and Iraq (with US help), and is happening in Syria (with US/Israel help). In the US, the Zionists have created a different reality. Here you have tribalism for the (mostly Zionist) organized Jews and universalism for the non-Jews (plus unorganized universalist Jews). In effect, Jewish tribalism hiding behind multiculturalism’s skirts. It is a key factor in Jewish success, one which Zionists don’t want discussed.

        Currently, Zionism is primarily what unites the various strands of Jews into a tribal entity of those who may have little in common other than support for Israel. Anti-Zionism unites the various strands of Jews into a looser tribal entity of those who may have little in common other than a desire to disassociate themselves from Israel and Zionism while maintaining some sort of tribal association. Post Zionists Jews are those Jews who want to maintain a tribal identity without Israel or Zionism, relying instead on the positive perks of tribal kinship and nepotism to achieve a sort of modern birthright guild of professional privilege. Perhaps a solidifying of social mobility will permit this to occur. Perhaps not. In any event, marriage should be more or less a non-issue. One could argue that a secular Jew marrying a secular non-Jew is hardly “outmarrying”, whereas, a secular Jew marrying an Orthodox Jew is. Besides, compatibility rates high with me, religious compatibility an important issue.

        As for Simone Zimmerman, she is rather obviously an anti-Zionist tribalist, with strong tribal feelings. The picture of her holding a sign saying “We (I assume she means Jews) were once slaves” speaks volumes. When exactly were the Jews slaves? Surely, not the mythological bondage in Egypt? It would be fascinating to see her rendition of the history of Jews and slavery. But I don’t want to be too harsh. Perhaps her version of tribal anti-Zionism will do some good.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 4:03 pm

        FRENCH JEW- “These last five years it has been mobilized in the public space by the truly vehement far right and antisemitic agitator Alain Soral. And I’m talking about real antisemitism here, not Israeli propaganda masquerading critiques of its State as “antisemitism”.

        How do you feel about the French government’s prosecution of Alain Soral for anti-Semitism? How about the charges against Dieudonne? Any thoughts on the CRIF?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 5:02 pm

        Shouldn’t it be “tribes” with an “s”? Even back in the day there were at least ten.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 5:11 pm

        “the state of Israel was chosen by Europe and America to discard themselves of Jewish refugees after the Holocaust “

        One of the horrible results of the Holocaust is that there was as many as 250,000 Jewish displaced persons in camps after the war.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 14, 2016, 5:13 pm

        “Here you have tribalism for the (mostly Zionist) organized Jews and universalism for the non-Jews (plus unorganized universalist Jews). In effect, Jewish tribalism hiding behind multiculturalism’s skirts. It is a key factor in Jewish success, one which Zionists don’t want discussed.”

        This is great example of Keith’s anti-Jewish fundamentalism and the way in which Jews are uniquely labeled as tribal in order to cast them as “Other.” A cabal of Jews uses the tool of multiculturalism to work against the “non-Jews,” who are “universal” in contrast to their “tribal.” Jews use this “tribalism” to get ahead at the expense of the rest of us. This is straight out of the White supremacist playbook.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 5:18 pm

        ELJAY- “Hmmm…no Commenter Profile. rugal_b / a4tech, is that you (again)? :-)

        One has to question why a commenter would adopt a name which prevents a commenter profile record of his/her comments. And why would Mondoweiss allow such names to be used? Something is not Kosher.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 6:17 pm

        “Perhaps her version of tribal anti-Zionism will do some good.”

        It does have possibilities. Think of the ease with which “white Jews” (pace “Hophmi”) can enter or leave ‘Israel’.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 9:33 pm

        HOPHMI- “This is straight out of the White supremacist playbook.”

        All you do is name call. Perhaps you have some examples of me engaging in a “White supremacist playbook?” No, you engage hostile name calling to avoid this issue which Zionists don’t want discussed. And you are the very essence of tribalism, continuing to think of Jews from centuries past as “your people” while thinking of the non-Jew at the next desk as an irrational murderous Jew-hater. Again and again you fulminate with vile accusations. And what is Zionism if not an attempt to recreate the Jewish peoplehood of the pre-modern Classical Judaism in nationalist form? And as for white supremacism, after affirmative action served its purpose, the about face of the major Jewish organizations to oppose “reverse discrimination” exemplifies world class hypocrisy. Yes, let us desegregate the South, but New York? God forbid! A quote for you.

        “The number of blacks seeking admission to elite universities in the 1940s was very small. By speaking on behalf of blacks as well as Jews, however, Jewish groups were able to present themselves as fighting for the abstract and quintessential American principles of fair play and equal justice rather than the selfish interests of Jews alone. This would not be the last time that Jewish organizations found that helping blacks could serve their own interests as well.” (p99, “The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State,” Benjamin Ginsberg)

        And once Jewish interests were served, the Blacks got thrown under the bus. Reverse discrimination, indeed. I still support affirmative action, it is you with the Ashkenazi supremacist playbook.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 10:54 pm

        “…a name which prevents a commenter profile record of his/her comments.”

        Not again? Wasn’t last time enough?

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        April 15, 2016, 12:48 am

        Keith: You can have universalism or you can have tribalism, but you can’t have both at the same time and place
        ————–

        But, I take it, you accept that universalism and multiculturalism can co-exist in a pluralist democracy.

        If so, what element defines the difference between Jewish “tribalism” and a strong Jewish ethno-cultural identity compatible with universalism/multicultural democracy?

        What distinquishes Jewish “tribalism” from other forms of non-“tribal” ethno-cultural or religioius identities that abound in pluralist societies?

        You wrote previously:

        …a strong Jewish identity is a good indication of tribalism.

        Can we apply that formula across the board? Or is there something special about Jewish identity that makes it tribal, while other strong ethno-cultural/ religious identities are not tribal?
        ———————–

        Jewish tribalism hiding behind multiculturalism’s skirts. It is a key factor in Jewish success

        What are the other key factors in Jewish success?

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        April 15, 2016, 7:26 am

        I think of universalism is the belief that there are certain rights and duties which are the same for all human beings, never to be disregarded because the person who would benefit if they were observed is ‘not one of us’, however ‘us’ and ‘them’ are defined. Tribalism would be the belief that this form of disregard for rights and duties is sometimes justified. I’m not sure what others mean by these terms.

      • bryan
        bryan
        April 15, 2016, 8:14 am

        “You can have universalism or you can have tribalism” (often life offers more opportunities than an either/or!)

        I think we all understand the use of the word especially as an antonym to universalism but it does came over as patronising, with overtones of primitive, unsophisticated and superstitious. In the literature I’ve read, (can’t remember who, but contrasting the universalism that widely developed in Diaspora Judaism with the narrowness of Zionism) an appropriate term is particularist. Why don’t we use this term occasionally, as an alternative to tribal or its derivatives which is becoming clichéd (51 references in this thread alone)?

        Particularism can apply in several ways that seem appropriate and is far more specific than tribal, and meaningful in many contexts: e.g. morally (the denial that absolute, universal ethical values), culturally (the assertion that common cultural values applicable to all peoples are either undesirable or unattainable) and politically (the proposition that group identity trumps universal rights). In all three of these senses it seems highly apposite to the “philosophy” of Zionism.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 15, 2016, 11:56 am

        Keith: “All you do is name call.”

        Keith: “As for Simone Zimmerman, she is rather obviously an anti-Zionist tribalist[.]”

        Keith: “You are the very essence of tribalism”

        Keith “Again and again you fulminate with vile accusations.”

        Again and again you think criticizing the history of European antisemitism is akin to labeling all Gentile as murderous Jewhaters because, like most white supremacists, you can’t deal with that criticism. And as usual, you selectively quote in order to support your bigotry.

        Please tell me which major Jewish organizations complained about “reverse discrimination.” Maybe you can tell me which Jewish politicians in the Congress oppose affirmative action. Also, please tell me which minority groups have been as active historically as the Jewish community was in helping the African-American community, and when it was that Jewish community “threw the African-American community under the bus.” The civil rights movement took a turn toward sectarianism in the late 1960’s, when militant leaders decided that Jews were too white for the civil rights movement. And by the way, opposition to racial quota was a principled stance based on the Jewish experience with anti-Jewish quotas in the first half of the 20th Century. Most Jews supported race-based affirmative-action post-Bakke when the Supreme Court made clear that racial quotas were unconstitutional, though some major Jewish organizations have remained opposed to race-based affirmative action.

        While major Jewish organizations have historically opposed race-based affirmative action, they have supported class-based affirmative action. The ADL supports class-based affirmative action. So did the AJCongress. The AJCommittee filed a lead amicus on behalf of UMich in the Grutter case. Jewish organizations have worked with the NAACP on discrimination issues many times. So you’re quite wrong, and you’re engaging in revisionist history when you suggest that Jews used African-Americans primarily to advance themselves. In fact, you’re making my point for me; for antisemites, when Jews act as a group to benefit others, they’re just trying to help themselves.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2016, 12:48 pm

        “This is straight out of the White supremacist playbook.” “Hophmi”

        Well, then, perhaps it will be helpful to the “white Jews” among us.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2016, 1:06 pm

        “What distinquishes Jewish “tribalism” from other forms of non-“tribal” ethno-cultural or religioius identities that abound in pluralist societies?”

        Zionism. An international colonial exploit, much of it clearly illegal. It’s pretty consequential, and if you could separate it from the “Jewish tribalism” (as it’s used in this discussion), I’d be no end grateful.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2016, 1:52 pm

        “The civil rights movement took a turn toward sectarianism in the late 1960’s, when militant leaders decided that Jews were too white for the civil rights movement.” “Hophmi”

        And the presence of all those “Jews of color” you mention couldn’t sway them?
        I guess those “Jews of color” must be the “and ours” in Podhertz “seminal” 1963 essay “My Negro Problem (And Ours)

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 15, 2016, 3:13 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “But, I take it, you accept that universalism and multiculturalism can co-exist in a pluralist democracy.

        If so, what element defines the difference between Jewish “tribalism” and a strong Jewish ethno-cultural identity compatible with universalism/multicultural democracy?”

        Very good series of questions which will permit me to discuss this more thoroughly. Thank you. I will begin with three paragraphs which hopefully will provide a clear and concise description of multiculturalism versus tribalism. I will then address any of your questions not covered by the initial three paragraphs.

        Multiculturalism refers to the acceptance of different cultures within a society such that these cultural differences are not seen as an impediment to social harmony. In ideal form, it represents the acceptance of different cultural manifestations as but a part of the whole fabric of a unified society, and rejects cultural homogenization as essential to a shared social identity. Shared diversity, if you will.

        Multiculturalism is very different from tribalism and sectarianism which seek to divide a society based upon tribal groupings, each exhibiting an “us” versus “them” group loyalty which fundamentally rejects a unified society of diverse equals. The tribe is more concerned with the group than with the individual member.

        For a variety of reasons, American Jews have a relatively strong sense of tribal identity, even as they have promoted multiculturalism for non-Jews. One consequence is that non-Jews have come to accept Jews (who they usually are unable to identify as Jews in any event) as an integral part of the body politic, whereas, many Jews continue to see the world through the eyes of Jews as apart from non-Jews.

        SIBIRIAK- “What distinquishes Jewish “tribalism” from other forms of non-“tribal” ethno-cultural or religioius identities that abound in pluralist societies?”

        The “us” versus “them” emphasis in Jewish tribalism which exists in varying degrees and which usually manifests itself when widely different individual Jews (Orthodox and secular, for example) unite as Jews to pursue a “Jewish” agenda.

        SIBIRIAK- “Can we apply that formula across the board? Or is there something special about Jewish identity that makes it tribal, while other strong ethno-cultural/ religious identities are not tribal?”

        Any group which sees its identity as apart from the rest of society qualifies as tribal. Notice I said group. There are a lot of alienated individuals in our society who obviously are not a tribe, even though many of them might take some comfort there. One characteristic of Jewish tribalism which may be unique is the transnational nature of the tribal identity such that Israel can claim to be the state of world Jewry and the French CRIF is a member of the World Zionist Organization and can count on American Jewish Zionist support as they pursue a Jewish Zionist agenda in France. I am unaware of any other self-defined ethnic group which yields this type of power.

        The one group which may in some respects be somewhat comparable are the diaspora Chinese throughout Asia who tend to stick together and who frequently dominate the local economy of the various SE Asia nations. And who have a history of experiencing pogroms when the locals rebel. I am under the impression that the Chinese, however, have stayed out of politics and lack political power. Perhaps this somehow relates to the lack of multiculturalism in some of these countries. My knowledge of the diaspora Chinese is very limited and I don’t want to presume too much. Perhaps Tokyobk who has some scholarly knowledge in this area can comment on this.

        SIBIRIAK- “What are the other key factors in Jewish success?”

        Confining ourselves to individuals, the factors would be the same for any individual whether Jew or non-Jew. Education, ambition, hard work, etc. Once anyone climbs high enough in any organization, organizational politics plays a key role. Machiavelli placed a great emphasis upon artful deception and cunning, which I tend to agree with.

        “I have found it always true, that men do seldom or never advance themselves from a small beginning, to any great height, but by fraud, or by force (unless they come by it by donation, or right of inheritance). I do not think any instance can be found where force alone brought any man to grandeur, but fraud and artifice have done it many times….” (p67, “The Machiavellians,” James Burnham)

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 15, 2016, 5:22 pm

        “For a variety of reasons, American Jews have a relatively strong sense of tribal identity, even as they have promoted multiculturalism for non-Jews. One consequence is that non-Jews have come to accept Jews (who they usually are unable to identify as Jews in any event) as an integral part of the body politic, whereas, many Jews continue to see the world through the eyes of Jews as apart from non-Jews.”

        You see, no matter how much Jews may assimilate, people like Keith will continue to tell us that we’re “tribal.” But this takes the cake. We “promoted” multiculturalism for other people without practicing it ourselves, you see. It was all a grand plot to get people to like us. We didn’t take stances on religious liberty, church-state separation, civil rights because we wanted a better society. We don’t continue to vote overwhelming Democratic because we favor civil liberties. No. It’s all about us.

        “Multiculturalism is very different from tribalism and sectarianism which seek to divide a society based upon tribal groupings, each exhibiting an “us” versus “them” group loyalty which fundamentally rejects a unified society of diverse equals. The tribe is more concerned with the group than with the individual member.”

        Right, it’s always us vs them with those damn Jews.

        “The “us” versus “them” emphasis in Jewish tribalism which exists in varying degrees and which usually manifests itself when widely different individual Jews (Orthodox and secular, for example) unite as Jews to pursue a “Jewish” agenda.”

        Right, because when Jews collectively pursue policy goals, they do it for themselves and for no other reason. No, there’s nothing whatsoever ethnocentric or bigoted about this thinking. I mean, you’ve seen Keith talk about other groups this way, right? Other minority groups have no organizations dedicated to their better welfare who pursue goals that they believe are for the betterment of the society in which they live. It’s only Jews who form organizations.

        “One characteristic of Jewish tribalism which may be unique is the transnational nature of the tribal identity”

        Ah yes, The International Jew. The Cosmopolitan Jew, who must never advocate for himself or his people, lest he be accused of being a Fifth Columnist, a tribalist, an “Other.”

        “such that Israel can claim to be the state of world Jewry and the French CRIF is a member of the World Zionist Organization and can count on American Jewish Zionist support as they pursue a Jewish Zionist agenda in France. I am unaware of any other self-defined ethnic group which yields this type of power.”

        Mostly, French CRIF worries about the high rate of violent antisemitism in France. I guess that’s pursue Zionist agenda for you.

        Gee, I can’t understand why Jews would care about one another in other countries. I mean, we’ve never seen this ever with anyone else. Does it have something to do with the fact that there are only around 14,000,000 Jews in the world? Does it have to do with the fact that a third of the world’s Jewish population was wiped out 70-75 years ago?

        But maybe not. American Muslims don’t care about other Muslims, right? There’s no major international Christian organization that wields much transnational power, except, oh, what the hell is it called – the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Do they wield any power?

        “Confining ourselves to individuals, the factors would be the same for any individual whether Jew or non-Jew. Education, ambition, hard work, etc. Once anyone climbs high enough in any organization, organizational politics plays a key role. Machiavelli placed a great emphasis upon artful deception and cunning, which I tend to agree with.”

        So when Jews go far as a community, they do it deceptively and with fraud.

        WHY IS THIS GUY STILL HERE?

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 15, 2016, 8:25 pm

        HOPHMI- “Again and again you think criticizing the history of European antisemitism is akin to labeling all Gentile as murderous Jewhaters….”

        What are you talking about? Trying to divert the comments, are you? I am clearly referring to you calling me an anti-Semite, a bigot and a white supremacist over the course of a couple of threads. You dishonestly try to conflate my Ginsberg quote with rense.com, a website which you are much more at home with than me. If I talk about current financial reality I am compared to the Nazis: “….one step removed from Nazi-Holocaust-was-really-about-Jews-and-finance bullshit.” And how many times have you referenced the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? You make no contribution to the discussion whatever. Instead, you rely upon insults and accusations to try to derail or shut down a discussion which somehow potentially interferes with your Zionist agenda. And yes, you Zionists continually refer to non-Jews as both past and future anti-Semites. The Holocaust is your true religion.

        HOPHMI- “And as usual, you selectively quote in order to support your bigotry.”

        Another insult and a way to backhandedly admit that you have nothing to support your positions, relying instead on denigrating your betters. Selectively quote? Feel free to demonstrate that I have in any way misrepresented any of these fine scholars.

        HOPHMI- “Please tell me which major Jewish organizations complained about “reverse discrimination.”

        NORMAN FINKELSTEIN- “Thus ADL head Nathan Perlmutter maintained that the “real anti-Semitism” in America consisted of policy initiatives “corrosive of Jewish interests,” such as affirmative action….” (p37, “The Holocaust Industry,” Norman Finkelstein)

        THE SHENGOLD JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA- “Today, still dedicated to a system of merit, ADL opposes reverse descrimination inherent in the use of racial quotas as the criteria for access to employment and education.” https://books.google.com/books?id=dwICJoLCfhQC&pg=PT17&lpg=PT17&dq=reverse+discrimination+ADL&source=bl&ots=H2ykONzCVF&sig=4dQABih6BWvNLr_bkoDHH2Jg3v8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXyIS955HMAhUP3GMKHX6MD6kQ6AEIPzAF#v=onepage&q=reverse%20discrimination%20ADL&f=false

        J.J. GOLDBERG- “Like everything else in black-Jewish relations, pinpointing the moment when the alliance began to unravel depends on where you stand….’My belief is that it really began with the Bakke case in 1978,’ says former NAACP national chair William Gibson.”

        “The case involved Allan Bakke, a white Christian from Minnesota who was rejected by the medical school at the University of California at Davis in 1974. Bakke sued, charging that the school had admitted less qualified applicants under the university’s minority admissions program….”

        “When the case went to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1978, all of the major black civil rights organizations filed amicus briefs supporting the university’s affirmative action program. The Big Three Jewish defense agencies all filed briefs supporting Bakke. It was the first direct, public, head-on confrontation between the black and Jewish communities over a basic civil rights issue. The blacks lost.” (p317,318, “Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establistment,” J.J. Goldberg)

        And Hophmi, please note that when pursuing affirmative action for Jews, the Jewish organizations represented Blacks, and when opposing so-called “reverse discrimination,” these same organizations represented white Christians to hide their self-interests.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 15, 2016, 9:19 pm

        HOPHMI- “We didn’t take stances on religious liberty, church-state separation, civil rights because we wanted a better society. We don’t continue to vote overwhelming Democratic because we favor civil liberties. No. It’s all about us.”

        The things you have mentioned contributed to a multicultural society which is a good thing, something which I support. It has enabled many Jews to assimilate into the larger society without having to abandon their religion, and also to maintain a sense of Jewish identity while still becoming secular. Truly assimilated Jews are not tribal at all, their Jewish identity but a part of the whole fabric of a unified society. Then there are the Zionists like you who empathize more with the Jews of Israel than with your non-Jewish neighbors. Assuming, of course, that you have any non-Jewish neighbors.

        HOPHMI- “Right, it’s always us vs them with those damn Jews.”

        Putting words in my mouth yet again? Yet another example of your extreme intellectual dishonesty. As for an example of anti-Gentilism, I encourage my fellow Mondoweissers to peruse your comment file and experience why I maintain that anti-Gentilism is inherent in Zionism.

        HOPHMI- “Ah yes, The International Jew.”

        Yet another dishonest conflation of me, this time to Henry Ford. Curious, you then express concern over French and other Jews, yet no concern over the French in general or any of your fellow humans, such as the Palestinians. You are Judeo-centric, a tribalist primarily concerned with Jewish solidarity everywhere, unconcerned or hostile to non-Jews, particularly those which run afoul of your Zionist agenda.

        HOPHMI- “…the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Do they wield any power?”

        Of course they do, however, I am unaware that they have a significant impact on US Middle East foreign policy. Have the US Presidential candidates called on the Pope to kiss his ring and pledge fealty to the security of the Holy See?

        HOPHMI- “WHY IS THIS GUY STILL HERE?”

        Because my comments hopefully contribute to the discussion on important issues and don’t violate the comments policy. You, however, are in continual flagrant violation of these policies. You are here primarily because then Mondoweiss can demonstrate that they encourage Zionist input no matter how obnoxious the commenter. To show that I have no hard feelings over your diatribe, I provide a reminder that the correct spellings are Benjamin Ginsberg (not Ginsburg) and Albert Shanker (not Shankar). Shanker was a real challenge for you, you misspelled it again and again even though the correct spelling was right in front of you, and even though you copied and pasted a comment of mine where I finally, graciously corrected your spelling. Do you have a problem admitting mistakes?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 15, 2016, 9:38 pm

        Hophmi- bravo on your critique of Keith the hater of the jews. Mw tolerates jew hatred.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 16, 2016, 12:34 am

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Hophmi- bravo on your critique of Keith the hater of the jews.”

        You crossed the line on that one partner. Demonstrate that I am a “hater of the Jews.” I hate Phil Weiss? I hate Noam Chomsky? I hate Norman Finkelstein? I hate John Pilger? The hater is you, Yonah. You hate anything or anyone who criticizes Jewish tribalism. And I am opposed to tribalism and in favor of multiculturalism. True multiculturalism. But you are a tribalist to the core, which I could have lived with prior to this example of Jewish Zionist Gentile hatred. You wish to make common cause with that anti-Gentile bigot Hophmi? Have at it. Just remember that you will be judged by the friends you keep.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 16, 2016, 10:51 am

        “So when Jews go far as a community, they do it deceptively and with fraud.”

        “Hophmi” do American Jews and worse yet, organizations send money and support the illegal settlements, and other aspects of Israel’s intransigence? No fraud or deception involved there?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 16, 2016, 10:55 am

        “Demonstrate that I am a “hater of the Jews.” I hate Phil Weiss? I hate Noam Chomsky? I hate Norman Finkelstein? I hate John Pilger?”

        “Keith” a “hater of Jews”? Absurd! Ridiculous! For gawds sakes, he puts up with me, doesn’t he?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 18, 2016, 1:48 pm

        It’s true, Keith, there are certain radical lefties who are known for their harsh criticism of Jews whom you “don’t hate.” You have Jewish friends. Congrats. I don’t think that most of those people would return the favor, BTW.

        You simply blame the Jews for advocating multiculturalism for their own purposes, call them fifth-column tribalists who are unpatriotic, claim that historical persecution of Jews in Europe is a myth because Jews had it better than some others did, scream anti-Gentile anytime someone calls you out, and shriek on about how Ukrainian and Poles are being ignored if anyone dares to speak about the Shoah, because, like white supremacists, every time you’re not directly mentioned, it’s somehow a slight.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 18, 2016, 3:51 pm

        HOPHMI- “You simply blame the Jews for advocating multiculturalism for their own purposes….”

        The Jewish Zionist organizations not “the Jews.” Another lie from Hophmi. Jews didn’t benefit from multiculturalism? Why not multiculturalism for Israel instead of a Jewish state?

        HOPHMI- “…call them fifth-column tribalists who are unpatriotic….”

        Another totally unsubstantiated lie.

        HOPHMI- “…claim that historical persecution of Jews in Europe is a myth….”

        Another lie.

        HOPHMI- “…shriek on about how Ukrainian and Poles are being ignored if anyone dares to speak about the Shoah….”

        Quotes, please. All you talk about is the Holocaust and the mass murder of Jews as the “culmination” of centuries of anti-Semitism, a ludicrous Zionist ideological construct, part of the victimhood ideology which you continually surround yourself with. Gilded victimhood.

        HOPHMI- “…like white supremacists….”

        Yet another smear and particularly ludicrous insofar as I continue to support affirmative action while you oppose “reverse discrimination” because like former ADL head Nathan Perlmutter you find affirmative action “corrosive of Jewish interests.”

        You have reached the point where virtually all of your comments are in violation of the comments policy regarding personal attacks, in your case resorting to insults, accusations and flat out lies. As such, you continually impede the discussion. The question is, WHY IS HOPHMI STILL ALLOWED TO COMMENT HERE?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 18, 2016, 4:48 pm

        “You simply blame the Jews for…”

        Oh “Hophmi”, man up, already. Why not just admit the obvious: If we could establish some kind of control over the stuff we say about ourselves, “Keith” won’t have all those moaning mosers and fretful kapos to quote from! Got to ‘take care’ of our own, can’t expect others to take care of us, you know.

        We need to turn all Jewish history (since it’s all proto-zionism) into an Israeli State Secret, and forbid its dissemination, except through official channels, in official versions, on pain of excommunication, or worse!

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        April 18, 2016, 10:47 pm

        Keith can’t handle the truth, unfortunately.

        First he does the usual two step where he claims, after making statement after statement about Jews and tribalism, that he’s just referring to Zionists.

        Then, he ignores his bigoted statements about Jews using advocating multiculturalism to advance themselves and then abandoning it when it no longer benefited them and says “didn’t Jews benefit from multiculturalism?” as if this is what the argument was about, and then asking why Jews need Israel if they believe in multiculturalism. I suppose that the Irish don’t need Ireland, and the Chinese don’t need China. One sign of intelligence is the ability to hold two ideas in your head at the same time. Keith doesn’t seem to possess that quality.

        Then he referred to the frankly uncontroversial history of antisemitism in Europe and the culmination of centuries of hatred in the Holocaust as a “Zionist construct.”

        Then he complains about personal attacks in the Mondoweiss comment section, LOL.

        What a joke this guy is.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 19, 2016, 10:40 am

        ” The question is, WHY IS HOPHMI STILL ALLOWED TO COMMENT HERE?”

        “Keith” I simply must berate you for your ingratitude! Okay, genius, try and imagine that “Hophmi” isn’t allowed to comment here and you tried to describe his mentality, his attitudes, his grasp of events, his manner of speaking and ‘quoting’, to somebody? You might very well be accused of antisemitism for it! No, you should be thankful “Hophmi” posts here. Otherwise, who would believe it?

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 19, 2016, 10:40 am

        HOPHMI- “What a joke this guy is.”

        When have you ever quoted anything I said to substantiate any of your outrageous misrepresentations? Are you allergic to empirical data? Yet, the fact that you are in continual violation of the comments policy regarding personal attacks (and what else do you do?) with no consequences indicates that you have at least de facto support for your diatribes. The return of Bruce Wolman? And will this comment even pass moderation?

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 19, 2016, 10:48 am

        HOPHMI- “Then he complains about personal attacks in the Mondoweiss comment section, LOL.”

        LOL? Lies on lies? On the other hand, to be singled out by Hophmi, Yonah Fredman, and Tokyobk, three anti-Gentile colleagues, indicates that I must be doing something right.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 19, 2016, 11:33 am

        MOOSER- “You might very well be accused of antisemitism for it!”

        Oh hell, I will be accused of that no matter what I say. When I began commenting six years ago, I had never in the previous 66 years been accused of anti-Semitism. Never. Then came Mondoweiss and the East Coast Zionists (and anti-Zionists for that matter) with their strong tribal identity and take-no-prisoners style of confrontational discourse where truth is what works, successful lies a point of pride. Boy, did I get a rude awakening! Remember Bruce? Nowadays, it seems that the more lucid and probing my analysis of political economy vis-a-vis Zionism, tribalism and Judeo-Zionist myth-history, the more hysterical the reaction. Perhaps not all that surprising since I am seen as a threat to the Zionist quasi-religious ideology and it’s tribalist base of support. As for Hophmi, I will be banned long before he is. He performs a function here (what it is ain’t exactly clear). And I continue to have moderation difficulties even though the comments are in full compliance with policy. Alas, they may be in conflict with the Mondo meme, also not very clear. And the beat goes on….

    • David Doppler
      David Doppler
      April 14, 2016, 1:20 pm

      I agree with your tribalism critique, and hope you’ve expressed that as well in the ongoing Mondoweiss reader survey, and that Phil, et al, will take it to heart.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 14, 2016, 2:24 pm

        Slightly off topic: on the definition of Jewish ness and antisemitism, here’s a quote from lindenmann’s esau’s tears: (the century in question is the 19th.)

        Indeed by the turn of the century many jews began to understand more fully that most gentiles expected them to disappear, dropping all distinctively Jewish traits, allegiances or habits of mind. The familiar distinction that religion was a private matter, one that was compatible with various nationalities which satisfied many jews in earlier years began to appear unworkable or very awkward in practice.

        And a quote from moses hess:
        The Germans hate the religion of the jews less than they hate their race. They hate the particular faith of the jews less than they hate their particular noses.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 5:18 pm

        “(the century in question is the 19th.)”

        “Yonah” stand tall, stand proud! Jewish is Beautiful! This is the 21st Century.

        But believe me, “Yonah” if I happen to run into any 19th Century Germans, I will give ’em what for!

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 14, 2016, 5:27 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “…dropping all distinctively Jewish traits, allegiances or habits of mind.”

        Okay Yonah, You have piqued my interest. Can you give me a small feel for some of those “distinctively Jewish traits, allegiances, or habits of mind?”

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 14, 2016, 8:09 pm

        Keith- It’s lindenmann’s quote and i would not wish to back up his quote. but i would say that there are those that wish for jewish traditions to disappear, as in Purim as in Passover as in the 9th of Av. As in Hebrew, as in Yiddish.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 10:43 pm

        “but i would say that there are those that wish for jewish traditions to disappear”

        You most definitely would say that, “Yonah”.
        Your victimology is universalist.

        But who is it who can make “jewish traditions to disappear”, “Yonah”? The only people who can make “Jewish traditions” (like spelling “Jewish” with a capital “J”) to disappear, these days?

        You must mean Jews, right, “Yonah”?
        Jews who don’t practice Judaism in a way you happen to like and this puts “those alienated from the strict observance of their parents wishing to water down judaism in the boat of being slightly antisemitic”. (“Yonah Fredman)

        By “Yonah’s” reckoning a good 75% of Jews, if not more, are antisemitic. That is a terrible problem for a Jewish religion.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 15, 2016, 12:07 am

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Keith- It’s lindenmann’s quote and i would not wish to back up his quote.”

        Say what? You quoted someone you disagree with? Enough of the BS, Yonah. Unless you can list these “distinctively Jewish traits,” you can stick your quote where the sun don’t shine. If I had referred to “distinctively Jewish traits,” I would have been labeled an anti-Semite, even by you. So, put up or shut up!

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 15, 2016, 3:52 am

        Keith-sweetheart. The lindenmann’s quote is relevant even if it said x, y and z. You can fill in the blanks. Those of you who can’t wait for the Jews to disappear. If you’d have lived in 1890 Germany or Russia you’d have expressed it one way and today you express it a different way.

        You object to Jewish tribalism clannishness and stubbornness and those are the traits that the gentiles of 1898 had shown their impatience for their disappearance.

        Zionism is troubling to most people here because it has led to the harm of the Palestinians. But you object to the jews, the fact that too many of them still cling to that tribal identity, if only they’d disappear from history you claim life on this planet would be so much better.

        Survival is the Jewish trait you can’t tolerate. Group survival and group identity.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        April 15, 2016, 7:50 am

        yonah fredman “Survival is the Jewish trait you can’t tolerate. Group survival and group identity.”

        God forbid that Jews dissolve into the rest of humanity. That’s absolutely intolerable for Zionists and other antisemites.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        April 15, 2016, 8:22 am

        Talkback; God forbid that Jews dissolve into the rest of humanity.
        ————-

        I for one think that a world without ethno-cultural diversity would be a far less beautiful and inspiring place . Supremacism we can do without, though.

      • bryan
        bryan
        April 15, 2016, 9:43 am

        Yonah “Survival is the Jewish trait you can’t tolerate. Group survival and group identity.”

        Calm down and take your medication. Criticism of Israel is not an attack on Judaism. I would guess that many here agree with me that progressive politics and culture in the modern world have benefitted hugely from the presence and very active participation of numerous Jewish intellectuals, philosophers, journalists, comedians etc. and no one would want that to disappear or end. For heaven’s sake even English cricket owes a huge debt to the iconic Freddie Trueman. Perhaps we don’t like the indoctrination of young children or undo parental influence as to their choice of spouses but much-valued diversity would be lost if Jews were to be assimilated away. Have less fear of that since out-marriage simply increases the pool of those intimately exposed to Jewish values. Whilst it is a shame to see very young kids exposed to blatant indoctrination into Zionism, the transmission of more pluralist Jewish values seems to be in very safe hands judging from JVP and Sanders young supporters.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2016, 11:40 am

        “Survival is the Jewish trait you can’t tolerate. Group survival and group identity.”

        “Yonah” how can we have a group identity if you can’t even describe what it is??

        (And after all it’s not that hard. To start with, there is a unique anatomical trait among Jewish males. No other males are born like that.)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 15, 2016, 11:47 am

        “Criticism of Israel is not an attack on Judaism.”

        Oh yes it is! And it damned well should be.
        Yes, Judaism should be attacked for embracing Zionism.
        Sorry, but Judaism screwed up, royally screwed up. Once a religion says it must have a state and the protection of an army, it gets a little absurd when it starts asking for a religious exemption from critical attack.
        You bet Judaism will be attacked, long and hard, and I hope hardest by Jews.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 15, 2016, 4:34 pm

        bryan- I’m sorry if my mode of argument with Keith and Mooser does not meet your approval.

        The slow motion disappearance of the Jews in the Diaspora is not the wish of everyone in the comments section, but is the attitude of some.
        It is a process that is complicated by personalities, genetics and education. Take someone like Bill Maher- because of his Zionism and anti Islamic statements his might be considered a negative example, but nonetheless, one would identify his sense of humor as Jewish, even if Jewish law does not consider him Jewish. Or as Ben Stiller posed the question, “who am I supposed to believe, Jewish law or a mirror?”
        If one opposes Zionism (which I do not) then one is in a strange situation regarding Jewish identity. If one opposes in marriage, or vociferously voices one’s offense at the effort that was put into the discouragement of his own out marriage, then one is in a strange situation vis a vis Jewish identity.

        I am in the position of getting a type of ethnic affirmation from the smallest pieces of information and tidbits of our culture. When watching a documentary about “Rush” and I learned that G. Lee was a son of holocaust survivors, I get a rush. When I hear barry white, olov hashalom, sing, “Quitting just ain’t my stick” and knowing that stick is from the yiddish shtick, I get an ethnic thrill. When I hear groucho sing, “did someone call me shnorrer?” I get an ethnic thrill. When I read the joke about Groucho’s daughter at the country club. “She’s only half Jewish can she go into the pool up to her knees?” I get an ethnic thrill. When I recall Sandy Koufax refusing to pitch on Yom Kippur, I experience a type of ethnic pride. When I hear that “tush” has entered the American vernacular, I get an ethnic thrill. (more than shtick, because shtick is german yiddish and tush is from the hebrew yiddish).

        these are relatively benign thrills that i get. Zionism is a very specific manifestation of tribalism. Judah Magnes understood the global ramifications many years ago.

        But there are those here who wish for the Jews to disappear. There are others here who are as apathetic about the disappearance as it is possible to be without actually wishing for that disappearance. I’m glad that you’re not one of them.

        Aharon Appelfeld who writes about pre war European Jews wrote that assimilated Jews or assimilating Jews were the most interesting to him, because they are in some way the most Jewish, desiring to leave their Jewishness behind, but unable to do so, because of their own habits and the attitudes of the dominant populations. Unlike Appelfeld and Europe of the 30’s I do not find assimilated American Jews interesting at this point of time. Someone who has taken the accent of Harvard as his own accent is not interesting vis a vis the accent of the old neighborhood that he left behind.

        The struggle to bring a modus operandi between Jews and Palestinians in the Holy Land will continue for quite some time into the future and those who can combine a yearning for Jewish identity and a yearning for fairness to the Palestinians pique my interest. Those who dismiss, disdain and scorn Jewish identity do not pique my interest.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 15, 2016, 9:33 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Keith-sweetheart.”

        Please Yonah, I’m blushing.

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Survival is the Jewish trait you can’t tolerate. Group survival and group identity.”

        “Can’t tolerate” is a bit strong, don’t you think? You have, however, made it quite clear that for you the essential Jewish trait is Jewish collective solidarity. Individual Jews are not real Jews, only those who are loyal members of the Jewish tribal community. Careful, Yonah, Hophmi claims that Jewish tribal solidarity doesn’t exist, merely a creation of my anti-Semitic imagination.

      • Keith
        Keith
        April 16, 2016, 12:52 am

        MOOSER- “To start with, there is a unique anatomical trait among Jewish males. No other males are born like that.”

        Am I missing something here? As far as I know, there is no unique anatomical trait among Jewish males. Jewishness is a birthright choice, not a genetic distinction.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 16, 2016, 11:01 am

        “The slow motion disappearance of the Jews in the Diaspora is not the wish of everyone in the comments section, but is the attitude of some.”

        And how many seats will be empty in Schul this Saturday because of the “wish of everyone in the comment section”?

        Do you really think if we abdicate responsibility for our own religion, the Gentiles will come and fix it for us? Would you like Gentiles to make a law that no Jew can leave the religion, and Temple attendance is compulsory Would that help, “Yonah”? Laws barring intermarriage? Would that help?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 16, 2016, 11:09 am

        “Am I missing something here?”

        “Keith”, I don’t know, and don’t send me any pictures. If you have a question, see a doctor. At any rate, I don’t remember being offered a choice.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 16, 2016, 11:49 am

        || yonah fredman: … When watching a documentary about “Rush” and I learned that G. Lee was a son of holocaust survivors, I get a rush. … ||

        Wow, that’s just…creepy.

        I get a rush from watching Geddy perform. He’s a hell of a bass player. And a good Canadian lad, too. :-)

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      April 14, 2016, 5:09 pm

      There is a lot of truth to French Jew’s comment. Most the world is tribal! It’s the organizing principle for all nation-states to some extent. When people talk about Jews as tribal, there’s a nefarious meaning behind it, as in, Jews are tribal and care more about themselves than the societies they live in, as in Jews are the “Other.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 10:21 pm

        “Hophmi” having a cultural, religious and social identity is great, but it doesn’t exempt us from Federal law, or international law, nor does it exempt us from any of the ethical obligations or questions a citizen of the US must deal with.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2016, 10:24 pm

        ” Most the world is tribal! It’s the organizing principle for all nation-states to some extent.”

        What is the “tribal” “organizing principle” of the United States, “Hophmi”? Which leg of the government represents “tribal” interests in the US?
        Oh, and what are the major ‘tribes’ in the US?

    • eljay
      eljay
      April 15, 2016, 10:00 pm

      || yonah fredman: … Mw tolerates jew hatred. ||

      Don’t feel bad: MW also tolerates Jewish supremacism and Gentile hatred.

  5. eljay
    eljay
    April 14, 2016, 12:50 pm

    … The choice of Zimmerman, a young anti-Israel activist with a history of support for the BDS movement [this is not the case], signaled that the Sanders campaign was not retreating from recent campaign behavior that many in the pro-Israel community viewed as hostile. …

    The pro-Israel community views…
    – justice, accountability and equality as bad; and,
    – Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine as good.

    The Sanders campaign should embrace and uphold the former and abandon and condemn the latter.

  6. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    April 14, 2016, 1:03 pm

    This is beautiful because Bibi is an asshole and a war criminal, objectively speaking. Bernie with help from Simone just need to rely on that objective truth, and let all the hysteria a direct frontal challenge to the bully Netanyahu will ignite wash past them, and see, what, if anything, it does to that objective truth. My prediction is, underscore it.

    There is a growing crowd of people fed up with people loudly and aggressively denying the objective truth. As it escalates into apoplexy, it will be seen by an ever-growing group as “valuable hatred.” Valuable because it attracts broader attention and builds up over time a school of popular opinion that is prepared to take the necessary action to overthrow those in power who are joined at the soul with a very bad thing – here, Israel’s mistreatment of the Palestinians. See Phil’s wonderful post based on his reading of Lord Charnwood’s Lincoln, and my comment there quoting US Grant on the subject. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/valuable-movement-educating/

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 14, 2016, 6:20 pm

      Thanks for the excellent, accurate comment. And thanks for the link, with the great quote about Lincoln from Phil’s article and the great quote by Grant in your comment. Both are highly astute and relevant!

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    April 14, 2016, 1:10 pm

    Is Netanyahu welcome at White House on Day 1 or an arrogant, deceptive asshole?

    He is an arrogant, deceptive asshole welcomed by the White House, even if he insults or disrespects the President. Hillary must be making plans to get that red carpet cleaned for the war criminal to step on.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    April 14, 2016, 2:23 pm

    Again the zionists don,t know when to shut their mouths.Always whinging and griping and accusing people who tell the truth about Israel and it,s actions of antisemitism.

    Israeli leaders /apologists have their feet permanently ensconced in their mouths while having a gun pointed at their feet.They unknowingly do their utmost to facilitate open discussion.Americans will not be dancing with joy when they find out their Democracy has been “annexed ” by the so called only democracy in the ME.

    You gotta love them for that.

  9. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    April 14, 2016, 3:07 pm

    How does Mondoweiss compare to the NYTimes on the coverage of this issue? Contrast this great – and newsfull – story here, with this Times analysis of what to expect in the debate tonight concerning Israel, and how to put it in context:

    “Unless Israel becomes a matter of dispute on Thursday, it [Israel] may play no meaningful role in the Democratic race at all. That would be a watershed, of a kind, in New York politics, and perhaps a sign of shifting currents in Democratic politics nationally.”

    Translated, that means, I think, “Hopefully, the full-on Neocon hatred display directed at Sanders and Zimmerman will, once and for all, silence all criticism of Israel among anyone at all important.”

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 14, 2016, 6:32 pm

      The LONG history of Israel’s crimes is the most covered up story in America’s Establishment Media. The expense and energy that has gone into this long, thorough, blanket cover-up testifies to the darkness of the secrets being hidden, the power of those enforcing the cover-up, and the potential bombshell when the cover is stripped off.

      Thank God for the internet. Americans need to learn a simple and hard-to-believe fact, that they cannot trust the establishment media on key stories.

  10. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 14, 2016, 4:05 pm

    RE “Democratic debate: Is Netanyahu welcome at White House on Day 1 or an arrogant, deceptive asshole?”

    MY QUESTIONS: Why wouldn’t an arrogant, deceptive asshole be welcome at the White House on Day 1? What could possibly be more appropriate? After all, this is AmeriKKKa, isn’t it?

    FROM WIKIPEDIA (History of Atlanta): [EXCERPT] . . . The region where Atlanta and its suburbs were built was originally Creek and Cherokee Native American territory. In 1813, the Creeks, who had been recruited by the British to assist them in the War of 1812, attacked and burned Fort Mims in southwestern Alabama. The conflict broadened and became known as the Creek War. In response, the United States built a string of forts along the Ocmulgee and Chattahoochee Rivers, including Fort Daniel on top of Hog Mountain near present-day Dacula, Georgia, and Fort Gilmer. Fort Gilmer was situated next to an important Indian site called Standing Peachtree, named after a large tree which is believed to have been a pine tree (the name referred to the pitch or sap that flowed from it). The word “pitch” was misunderstood for “peach,” thus the site’s name. The site traditionally marked a Native American meeting place at the boundary between Creek and Cherokee lands, at the point where Peachtree Creek flows into the Chattahoochee. The fort was soon renamed Fort Peachtree. A road was built linking Fort Peachtree and Fort Daniel following the route of existing trails.[2]
    As part of the systematic removal of Native Americans from northern Georgia from 1802 to 1825,[3] the Creek ceded the area that is now Metro Atlanta in 1821.[4] White settlers arrived in 1822, and nearby Decatur was founded the following year.[5] . . .

    ■ P.S. Atlanta race riot of 1906 (image)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_race_riot

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 14, 2016, 4:49 pm

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Why Bill Clinton is Full of Sh^t” | by Rob Urie | CounterPunch.org | April 14, 2016
      LINK – http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/14/why-bill-clinton-is-full-of-shit/

      P.P.P.S. Fightin’ fer us!!!

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 14, 2016, 5:01 pm
      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 14, 2016, 6:10 pm

        P.P.P.P.P.S. If anyone is desperate for a really good purgative, this should do the trick. It is one of the most sickeningly narcissistic, ‘over the top’ things I have ever read (but, admittedly, I’m biased). – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Clinton

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 14, 2016, 6:29 pm

        P.P.P.P.P.P.S. I recently read somewhere that Chelsea Clinton (along with her father, but apparently not her mother) is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)!!! That’s what prompted me to look at her nauseating Wikipedia article.

        Council on Foreign Relations – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 14, 2016, 6:42 pm

        ON A LIGHTER NOTE:

        This award-winning experimental film from Hungarian director György Pálfi follows the chain reaction of one man’s hukkle (Hungarian slang for hiccup), which works its way through a small town and introduces a cast of quirky locals. Shot without dialogue, the film captures a series of everyday scenes that are seemingly unrelated and unimportant … but it’s up to the audience to interpret their significance.
        IMDb – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289229/

    • bryan
      bryan
      April 17, 2016, 2:09 pm

      “Why wouldn’t an arrogant, deceptive asshole be welcome at the White House on Day 1?”

      Perhaps because an “arrogant, deceptive asshole” is so keen (when talking to her local Zionist supporters, who seem to be the only people she chooses to communicate with) has invited him to turn up on day 1 (assuming that she gets elected, which probably is inevitable, but hopefully will never happen).

  11. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 14, 2016, 5:27 pm

    RE: “Jennifer Rubin in the Washington Post calls Zimmerman an ‘anti-Israeli activist’ because she called Netanyahu a mass murderer.” ~ Weiss

    IN CONSIDERING THE SOURCE OF THE CRITICISM (NAMELY, JENNIFER RUBIN), SEE:
    “Inside CUFI’s 2011 Washington ‘Summit'”, Special to JewsOnFirst.org, 07/29/11
    ● Our eyewitness report on Christians United For Israel’s annual Washington conference

    [EXCERPTS] Over this past July 17th – 20th, Christians United for Israel (CUFI) held its 6th annual Washington Summit in the nation’s capital to rally its staunch, militant support for Israel. . .

    . . . There were also some newcomers to this year’s Summit from the conservative end of the pro-Israel spectrum. These included Elliot Chodoff, a major in the IDF reserves; Colonel Ben Tzion Gruber, also from the IDF reserves; Commentary Magazine editor, John Podhoretz; conservative radio talk show host Dennis Prager; the ultra-hawkish blogger Jennifer Rubin; and, of course, conspiracy theorist and former Fox News personality, Glenn Beck…

    . . . CUFI seems quite clearly disinterested in the concerns of Liberal Jews, and although touting itself as an organization dedicated to allowing Israel to choose for itself what it wants to do, this notion has yet to be seriously tested considering the current Government in Israel shares identical earthly aspirations to Christian Zionists (the other-worldly aspirations, are of course, different).

    And this is the rub – Christian Zionists love the idea of Jews – not Jews as they actually are, but as representatives of God’s ongoing truth and impending Christian salvation. They love religious Jews who, through the conflation of American and Israeli identities, many seem to think of as sharing the exact same values as them, minus Jesus. Whether it is CUFI on Campus students excitedly Tweeting “there are so many Jews here!” or women fawning over their new Star of David necklaces and sharing stories of possible Jewish lineage, it seems that actual interaction with Jews of diverse opinions is significantly lacking.

    So while conversion attempts are waning (some attendees expressed the idea that God is creating “one new man” with Christians and Jews as they are) there is still a need for conversion to the political philosophy of Christian Zionists. And this is where those Jews who are strong supporters of CUFI come in handy. They can criticize Jews to a far greater degree than any Christian Zionists would be willing to do. Conservative commentator Jennifer Rubin [of the “Washington (Neocon) Post” – J.L.D.] spent a great deal of her talk slamming her co-religionists for being naively liberal, and referencing her fellow panelist’s father’s book – Norman Podhoretz’s “Why are Jews Liberal?” – as a way to try and explain that they have fallen away from God and been captivated by the “religion of liberalism” to which the audience expressed considerable dismay. Rubin and others are useful for this kind of criticism because it allows them to express contempt for their fellow Jews, which coming out of the mouth of anyone else would, quite rightly, be considered anti-Semitism. . .

    ENTIRE REPORT – http://www.jewsonfirst.org/11a/CUFI2011a.aspx

  12. JWalters
    JWalters
    April 14, 2016, 6:59 pm

    Hillary has pledged that she will work to block Americans’ clear freedom of speech by working to prohibit the BDS protest movement against Israel’s crimes. Why would she pledge to subvert American’s fundamental right to freedom of speech? The only reason I can see is the huge amounts of campaign money from wealthy donors like Haim Saban, an “Israel right or wrong” guy.

    This subservience to Israel’s money leads to the very real possibility that Hillary would essentially turn over America’s foreign policy in the Middle East to Israel, and that would likely mean getting involved in another war for Israel, probably against Iran.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/10/would-a-clinton-win-mean-more-wars/

    And it’s not implausible that Obama had to replace Hillary with Kerry in order to get the Iran peace deal done, given Israel’s vehement objections to it..
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/08/is-hillary-clinton-qualified/

    The facts show clearly that Israel’s history of brutality, stoking conflict, and cover-ups goes back to its founding in 1948.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/a-history-of-silencing-israeli-army-whistleblowers-from-1948-until-today/

    The facts also show there was a method to the madness, succinctly described online in “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”.

  13. Bandolero
    Bandolero
    April 14, 2016, 8:28 pm

    After Abe Foxman and Ronald S. Lauder called on Bernie Sanders to fire Simone Zimmerman, Bernie Sanders just suspended her to investigate her.

    So sad.

    I had the impression that hiring Simone Zimmerman could be a defining moment of Sanders’ campaign. It was clearly a sign that he was willing to take on the lobby, and it was clear to me it would be a fight to the bloody end. And now that: Sanders’ spells out his capitulation.

    What the hell is Bernie Sanders doing?

    If he didn’t want to walk the walk with Simone Zimmerman it made absolutely no sense to hire her. And by suspending her he likely won’t bring back even one voter who left him for hiring her, but he shows that he is disengaging with the young progressive voters Simone Zimmerman represents when coming under pressure. It’s hard for me to understand theses moves of Sanders anything different than as a folly.

  14. kalithea
    kalithea
    April 14, 2016, 9:22 pm

    Earlier on Thursday, Ronald S. Lauder, the president of the World Jewish Congress, issued a statement calling on Mr. Sanders to fire Ms. Zimmerman.

    “We are known by the company we keep, and those whose advice we seek,” the statement said. “Bernie Sanders’ hiring of Simone Zimmerman as his chief adviser on Jewish issues is cause for profound concern.”

    He added: “I call on Senator Sanders to clarify his own positions and whether this hire reflects his views on Israel. Does he support the positions Ms. Zimmerman espouses? If not, he should make that clear by terminating her immediately as one of his closest advisers. If Senator Sanders maintains her as his adviser, it will confirm that his views on Israel match hers.”

    Sadly, he answered Lauder’s question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/14/bernie-sanders-suspends-jewish-outreach-coordinator-after-reports-of-her-criticisms-of-israel/?_r=0

    Zionist power prevails yet again over the Truth, Democracy, Morality and Justice.

    This kind of control and injustice is all we have to look forward to. Americans are spineless jellyfish and the brain is rendered mush by the Zionist-influenced media. So how can a break be made with this corrupt, rigged so-called American democracy when disenfranchised independents and young people who are the future are shut out in a state, New York, with one of the largest basket of delegates and where results are in all the states that Sanders won are subverted by the power of super-delegates? What kind of phoney-baloney democracy is that???

    I’m watching the debate and Hillary can’t stop cackling; she’s so condescending. How can anyone believe a word she spews?

    At this point, Zimmerman or no Zimmerman – SANDERS is the only sane option that will at least open the door and leave it ajar to a better world! Everyone else represents a threat to peace, a threat to the most vulnerable in our world, a threat to justice and represents the corruption that is destroying us all and HILLARY is part of that undemocratic, destructive political cartel that is robbing us of the moral and just world we all deserve!!

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      April 14, 2016, 9:54 pm

      If Sanders had picked Simone Zimmerman for some other post other than Jewish outreach, then scolding him for folding to pressure might be appropriate. But this choice for Jewish outreach was misguided and the community that she was chosen to reach out to announced to Sanders, that this is not outreach by any stretch of the imagination.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 15, 2016, 2:27 pm

      RE: “Zionist power prevails yet again over the Truth, Democracy, Morality and Justice.” ~ kalithea

      MY COMMENT: That’s why Sanders’ move is sheer brilliance (especially compared to the clueless machinations of Ron Lauder and his ilk). I suspect that Ms. Zimmerman is quite copacetic regarding her “suspension”. Trust fund baby Ron Lauder single-handedly made Ms. Zimmerman’s “outreach” a truly stunning success!!!

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 15, 2016, 2:54 pm

        P.S. Did You Know?
        Theories about the origin of copacetic abound. The tap dancer Bill “Bojangles” Robinson believed he had coined the word as a boy in Richmond, Virginia. When patrons of his shoeshine stand would ask, “How’s everything this morning?” he would reply, “Oh jes’ copacetic, boss; jes’ copacetic.” But the word was current in Southern Black English perhaps as early as 1880, so it seems unlikely that Robinson (born in 1878) could have invented the term. Another explanation is that the word is from the Hebrew phrase kol be sedher, meaning “everything is in order.” Possibly it was coined by Harlem blacks working in Jewish businesses. The word’s popularity among Southern blacks, however, points to its originating in one of the Southern cities in which Jewish communities thrived, such as Atlanta.
        SOURCE – http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/copacetic

  15. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 14, 2016, 11:22 pm

    RE: “Democratic debate: Is Netanyahu welcome at White House on Day 1 or an arrogant, deceptive asshole?”

    SEE – “Netanyahu: Ethnic Cleanser” | By Richard Silverstein | Tikun Olam | April 13, 2016

    [EXCERPTS] A few days ago, an Israeli researcher working on behalf of faculty members from the University of Sciences Po, asked me if I could help authenticate an Al Hamishmar newspaper article which I featured in a 2011 post. The article quoted Bibi Netanyahu espousing, clearly and definitively, his support for ethnic cleansing. He delivered these remarks in a November 1989 speech which Maariv, the Jerusalem Post and Al HaMishmar quoted in their reports:

    “Israel should have exploited China’s suppression of the demonstrations [Tienanmen Square], at a time when the world’s attention was devoted to events in that country, in order to conduct mass expulsions of the Arabs [sic] of the Occupied Territories. However, to my sorrow, they [government ministers] didn’t support the policy I espoused and whose implementation I continue to recommend.”

    . . . Those of us who care about Israeli history, who care what politicians say and believe they should be held accountable–we know Netanyahu. As Jeremiah (who was much wiser than any Israeli politician) told us, the leopard doesn’t change its spots. The Netanyahu of 1989 is the same Netanyahu of 2016. For anyone, whether he be John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or even Bernie Sanders to mistake Israel’s prime minister for a man who can change his convictions, for someone who can become a Man of Peace–is laboring under a fatal delusion.

    Remember, this is the same demagogue who only six years later stood on a Jerusalem balcony and told a crowd ravening for the blood of Yitzhak Rabin that they were dead-right and should not stop baying for blood till they got it. Within weeks, they did get his blood and his life, as one of Netanyahu’s admirers murdered Rabin, and thus murdered peace and hope.

    Before readers begin to crank up their keyboards to dispute my portrait of Rabin, I am not a devotee. I understand Rabin’s limits. And perhaps he would’ve failed. But at that historical moment, he offered something Israel hasn’t seen since and may never see again.

    Returning to Netanyahu, he is the opposite of peace: he is the death of peace. I would go even farther and say that the longer he rules the closer the current iteration of the State of Israel will come to its own demise. As the Herut anthem goes: “by fire and blood did Judea fall and by fire and blood shall it rise again.” Strike the second half of that phrase. It is the first half that is telling. Netanyahu offers Israel unending blood and fire. The blood flows not in rivers at first, but rivulets. The fire isn’t a conflagration at first. It only burns a Palestinian baby and father and mother. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/04/13/bibis-true-colors/

  16. Kay24
    Kay24
    April 14, 2016, 11:26 pm

    It was great seeing Bernie Sanders criticize Israel for the indiscrimate attacks in Gaza which left so many dead and injured, and also say that Netanyahu is not always right. He is the only politician to speak of neutrality in the I/P issue. No other politician has the spine to speak out, against Israel’s, especially in New York. Hillary was also criticized by him about her speech at AIPAC, saying she never mentioned the Palestinians in anything she said.

    Good debate, and it was good to see Hillary criticized for her unwavering love for Israel.

  17. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    April 15, 2016, 10:24 am

    Sanders folds –

    Bernie Sanders Suspends Staffer for Criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-suspends-staffer-for-criticizing-israeli-1771110775

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