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Democratic Party is now split over Israel, and Clinton and Sanders represent opposing camps, says Pew

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Pew Research Center released a new survey of American attitudes toward the world yesterday, and on Israel the news is clear: the Democratic Party is split, and Bernie Sanders represents the Palestinian-sympathizing camp and Hillary Clinton the Israel-sympathizing one. Key excerpt (my emphasis):

By more than two-to-one (53% vs. 19%) conservative and moderate Democrats sympathize more with Israel. [Among] Liberal Democrats, on the other hand… 33% sympathize more with Israel and 40% sympathize more with the Palestinians.

You know how everyone says that some day  U.S. public opinion will come to a tipping point? Well that tipping point has taken place among liberal Democrats. Notice that since 2014, the numbers among liberal Democrats have surged and reversed:

Growing share of liberal Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians than with Israel

(Graph: Pew Research Center)

And do you see, the sympathies are rising among liberal Republicans too! But look at the conservative and moderate Democrats. Yes, more sympathy for Palestinians than before; but also growing support for Israel, too. And the same trend is visible in liberal Republicans. That’s the establishment, right there: three to one or more on Israel’s side.

But inside the Democratic Party, there are two trains going the opposite way on the same Democratic tracks. And of course it’s about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

while Clinton supporters, on balance, are more likely to sympathize with Israel (47% vs. 27%), Sanders supporters are divided (33% sympathize more with Israel, 39% sympathize more with Palestinians).

That’s not quite a divide, Pew. That’s a tilt toward Palestinians, very much like the one among liberal Democrats. Bernie Sanders sounded that public when he made his bold declaration in New York on April 14, that Netanyahu is not always right.

And the question is whether Sandersites can support someone– Hillary Clinton– who so thoroughly opposes their views on this key question. When she panders to AIPAC and did everything she could to stop the Iran deal and is the most hawkish candidate running. The fight inside the British Labour Party is coming here, and soon.

More from Pew. Some of this is obviously generational. Young people– those 35 and under– are shifting rapidly. From my emphasis, they were clearly horrified by the Gaza massacre of ’14:

Currently, 43% of Millennials report sympathizing more with Israel, while 27% are more sympathetic to the Palestinians….

The share sympathizing with the Palestinians has risen significantly in recent years, from 9% in 2006 to 20% in July 2014 to 27% today.

ALL groups, Republican, Democrat and Independent, broadly sympathize with Israel more than Palestinians:

The partisan gap remains wide. Three-quarters of Republicans (75%) say they sympathize more with Israel (just 7% say they sympathize more with the Palestinians). And though a larger share of Democrats sympathize more with Israel than with the Palestinians, that margin is much narrower (43% vs. 29%). By 52% to 19%, independents express more sympathy for Israel than the Palestinians.

But among Independents who lean Democratic, it’s a horse race, 34 to 33 percent for Israel over the Palestinians. While Indies who lean Republican are overwhelmingly for Israel, 72 to 9.

The bottom line here is that liberal Democrats are leading the country on this issue. That’s where the movement is. Look at those lines crossing one another since 2014 among the bleeding heart liberals. The same liberals who drove change on: civil rights, feminism, same-sex marriage. Brace yourself.

 

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    May 6, 2016, 10:52 am

    Imagine if the main media actually gave the public the facts on Israel, its policies and conduct.

    • ckg
      ckg
      May 6, 2016, 2:14 pm

      Indeed. The Pew poll also shows that support for Palestinians increases with education level.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      May 6, 2016, 6:27 pm

      Americans need to be informed that the establishment media is a central cog in the rigged system that is screwing them. Then they can learn about their hidden history. Then they will understand why Hillary wants the same secrecy as Republicans in her relationship with Wall Street.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      May 6, 2016, 9:41 pm

      Bingo… Citizen. They have kept the wall of silence intact for decades

  2. Theo
    Theo
    May 6, 2016, 11:26 am

    What do you expect after 50 years of brain washing and constant zionist propaganda by the MSM, Hollywood, TV, our political parties and politicians, who receive huge amounts of money from jewish donors. If we did the same to communism, the american public would consider Stalin the greatest hero of all times.
    Europeans say, americans don´t grow up, they just grow old. Watching the discussions of top political figures, like Trump, one can understand this critic. It seems there is nothing outside the US borders, american laws and customs apply all over the world, and the US has a God given mandat to spread democracy all over this globe, even if it takes to bomb countries back to the middle ages, overthrow duly elected governments and ruin countries by imposed sanctions.
    After WWII we had great sympathy, we were loved all over the world, and even our previous enemies respected us. We blew all that, our friends today are mostly bloody dictators or countries where the politicians receive every year a few hundred millions to call their own. Following I hear more often; is the US a superpower that lasted less than a century? If stupid people run a business, or a country, they can ruin it very fast.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      May 6, 2016, 2:51 pm

      If I recall correctly, during the wartime alliance with the Soviet Union there really was censorship of negative information about that country and Stalin was fondly known as Uncle Joe.

      • Theo
        Theo
        May 12, 2016, 8:26 am

        Politics and politicians are like prostitutes, they go to bed with anyone as long as it is profitable. Without the SU the west had absolutely no chance against the might german military with their super weapons, we needed the huge masses of the soviets to destroy the nazi army. WWII was won by us, and lost by the germans, at Stalingrad, where they lost a whole army, the best they had at that time. Only after that slaughter were we willing to land in Africa and eventually in Italy and France. Did the germans won the battle at Stalingrad, then our landings would have been much bloodier, therefore Uncle Joe to the bloodiest dictator Europe ever had.

  3. hoya saxa
    hoya saxa
    May 6, 2016, 11:38 am

    Wow, congrats on having the support of the liberals in america. Funny how they support rights for gays, women, minorities and all religions…and then support palestinians who dont support any of that. So comical. Luckily liberals are certainly not the majority of america. Last I checked 7 in 10 americans support israel while support for a palestinian state is down 60 million people from its peak. :-)

    • Edward Q
      Edward Q
      May 6, 2016, 3:50 pm

      The same argument could be used against liberals that support the racist, war-mongering state of Israel. As for your list, you seem unaware that Israel discriminates against Palestinians and African refugees on the basis of their religion and ethnicity. Your comment seems to imply that Palestinian human rights are unimportant because, you claim, they discriminate against “gays, women, minorities and all religions”.

    • niass2
      niass2
      May 6, 2016, 11:59 pm

      well, how crazy, that many people support both states. Duh. None of the Jews I know could care less about Israel. Were under 50. Were not “liberal” were Jewish, that is why my family always supported a Palestinian state, cause its the right thing to do. Whatever, your a bit lost.

    • zaid
      zaid
      May 7, 2016, 12:41 am

      hoya,

      “Last I checked 7 in 10 americans support israel”

      Nope, it is just 54% and declining.

      “Luckily liberals are certainly not the majority of america”

      These liberals are the one who lead the change in Gay marriage and civil rights and they shall do the same for Palestine.

      “gays, women, minorities and all religions…and then support palestinians who dont support any of that”

      The only case of Murder of a gay man in Israel/Palestine was by a radical Jew.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33752111

      Israeli Jews donot support mixed marriages with Muslims and Christians, they support ethnic cleansing of Arabs and support preferential treatment for Jews based on their race.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/most-jews-want-to-expel-palestinians-pews-ugly-portrait-of-israel/

      As the article said:

      Brace your self.

      • hoya saxa
        hoya saxa
        May 7, 2016, 11:43 am

        I guess Ill just rely on gallup instead of a lying BDS failure.

        POLITICS FEBRUARY 23, 2015
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        Seven in 10 Americans Continue to View Israel Favorably

        by Lydia Saad
        PRINCETON, N.J. — Even as relations between the leaders of Israel and the United States reportedly deteriorate over disagreement about how to handle Iran’s nuclear program, Israel has retained its broadly favorable image in the U.S. over the past year. Seventy percent of Americans now view that country favorably, and 62% say they sympathize more with the Israelis than the Palestinians in the Mideast conflict. By contrast, 17% currently view the Palestinian Authority favorably, and 16% sympathize more with the Palestinians.

      • zaid
        zaid
        May 7, 2016, 6:19 pm

        “lying BDS failure”

        I never knew , Pew research is part of BDS!

        The 54% number is from the pew research that this very article by Philip is based on.

        Apparently you didnot read the article that you are commenting on.

        I link it anyway.

        http://www.people-press.org/2016/05/05/5-views-of-israel-and-palestinians/

        By the way there is a difference between , who do you sympathize with (pew) and do you see Israe/ PLOl in favorable way (gallup).

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      May 7, 2016, 7:54 am

      hoya saxa: “and then support palestinians who dont support any of that.”

      A perfect example of racism against Palestinians. Would Israel recognize their right to return, if they were gay women?

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 7, 2016, 10:52 am

      Hoya saxa

      You live in a fantasy world. Compare the situation today versus 25 years ago when Israel was easily duping the world and riding high. Thanks in large measure to the Internet, the documented truth regarding the Israel-Palestinian/Arab conflict, past and present, is now so much easier to discover. Inevitably, as a result, Palestinians have the momentum while Israel is increasingly viewed around the world, including Europe and America, as fascistic, racist, expansionist, a brutal illegal occupier and a serial violator of hard won international humanitarian law. Most importantly, more and more youth everywhere, including righteous Jews are seeing Israel for what it really is and are standing with the Palestinians. The handwriting is on the wall. It could only be thus.

      https://canadatalksisraelpalestine.ca/2016/05/05/israeli-security-expert-delivers-hard-message-to-ottawa-jewish-community/

      “Canada Talks Israel-Palestine”
      May 5/16

      “Israeli security expert delivers hard message to Ottawa Jewish community”

      Excerpts:

      “Yossi Alpher, former Mossad agent, and now independent Israeli security expert, spoke to a crowd of concerned Jews in Ottawa on May 2nd. He was talking about the future of Israel, and they were clearly disturbed by what he had to say.”

      “Reaction from the liberal Jews in the audience was worried. One questioner asked what he could tell his children who are being raised with ‘Jewish values’ but who are increasingly uncomfortable with what they see of Israel. Another asked about a possible apartheid scenario in which there would be different laws for Jews and non-Jews. (Alpher responded by indicating that Jews and non Jews already live under different laws in the West Bank, and pointed out that Israel regularly treats ‘terrorists’ very differently depending on whether they are Arab or Jewish.)”

      “Another person asked hopefully whether there was any chance Netanyahu might be replaced by a more ‘liberal’ politician. Alpher’s response was that Netanyahu is not an aberration. He is well positioned because he actually reflects the thinking of a broad majority of Israelis.

      Alpher did not offer a ‘solution’ to Israel’s dilemma, other than to try to slow the slide down the ‘slippery slope’.”

      • hoya saxa
        hoya saxa
        May 7, 2016, 11:46 am

        so, AGAIN, you will have to explain why 70% of americans support israel while support for palestinians is plummetting. In fact the support of americans for a palestinian state is at a 15 or 20 year low depending on if you read washington post or gallup. Funny no? I like having facts vs your wishful thinking. It makes me smile.

      • hoya saxa
        hoya saxa
        May 7, 2016, 12:59 pm

        So when you say more and more people side with palestinians its just weird since in america support for israel is near record high and support for palestinians is near record low. Further, America didnt have to exercise its veto last year in the UNSC since palestinians couldnt get the other counties to force America to act. Nigeria made the vote against Palestinains. Funny. But at least you guys got to raise a flag..AWESOME!

    • JimMichie
      JimMichie
      May 7, 2016, 11:10 am

      Hey hoya, you’d better check that Pew survey again and get a grip on yourself. In spite of the “mainstream media” obscene bias in favor of brutal, ruthless, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascist Zionist Israel, most Americans are now depending a great deal on the internet for TRUTH in news of the Palestinian crisis. Zionist Israel is on a path to self-destruction which obviously will lead to peace in the Middle East and a far more stable world.

    • Salam
      Salam
      May 7, 2016, 4:25 pm

      Hoya says, “Funny how they support rights for gays, women, minorities and all religions…and then support palestinians who dont support any of that.” Hate to break it to you hoya hasbara but last I checked, Israel is not the country it purports to be on any of these issues. Let’s take Palestinians out of the equation and just look at Israel with relevant examples on these issues. Don’t start with your tirade on other people and countries and how THEY treat their own without critiquing oneself. Here’s what a quick google search found.

      Women:

      – Retired lawyer sues Israeli airline after she was asked to move seat. In 2016.
      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/01/renee-rabinowitz-sue-israeli-airline-el-al-orthodox-gender-discrimination

      “Rabinowitz and IRAC are seeking 50,000 shekels (£9,200) in damages and wants EL Al to publish clear staff guidelines “concerning their obligation to act in an egalitarian manner, including emphasising to the company’s aircrews that they must defend women’s rights to sit in their allocated seat, and clarifying to flight attendants that they may not acquiesce to requests by passengers wishing to change places purely for reasons of gender”.

      – An ultra-Orthodox Woman Who Refuses to Sit at the Back of the Bus. Gender-segregated bus lines. This is from 2015: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.666140

      “And then I think: Wait a minute — that’s not Jewish. That’s not okay. There’s no such thing in Jewish law. Why should I help a bizarre and degrading custom that imposes restrictions on me? So I stay in my seat, put on earphones and try to be polite and agreeable — to be invisible.

      – Ultra-Orthodox Protesters Shatter Bus Windows After Female Passenger Refuses to Sit in Back. This is from 2013: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.538978

      – Woman forced to sit at back of bus to be compensated, court rules. This is from 2011. http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=2128

      “The suit was filed in July by the Israel Religious Action Center and attorney Orly Erez-Lachovsky. The complainant maintains that an Egged bus driver had prevented her from sitting in the front of the bus en route to the ultra-Orthodox municipality of Bnei Brak. “I explained to the driver that the line was not a segregated line, but the driver dismissed my argument and said that only the rabbis can decide whether a bus is segregated or not. It was humiliating and insulting,” the complainant told the court.

      LGBTQ:
      – Man stabs six people at Jerusalem gay pride parade; suspect carried out similar attack in 2005. This is fro 2015.

      “Six people were stabbed at the annual Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade on Thursday by an ultra-Orthodox man who perpetrated a similar stabbing at the 2005 march.”

      – Why Gay Marriage Isn’t Coming to Israel Any Time Soon. 2015.
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.663585

      “In Israel there is no civil marriage, and even the idea of a so-called civil union as an alternative has dissipated, although in the Knesset there is (still) a secular majority that could bring about a change. Apparently there is no real political will for such a step. And in a country where even marriage between members of different religions doesn’t exist, it’s somewhat difficult to imagine the marriage of two people of the same sex.”

      Minorities:
      – Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots. 2013.

      “A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.”

      – Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims. 2013.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#43b121692880

      “Israel has acknowledged the issue (without admitting any wrongdoing) and has vowed institutional changes in healthcare for immigrants. By decree of Israel’s health minister, gynecologists have been ordered “not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”

      – Why Is Israel’s Red Cross Rejecting Ethiopian Blood? 2013.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/13/why-is-israel-s-red-cross-rejecting-ethiopian-blood.html

      “MDA officials rejected her blood on the grounds that it was “the special kind of Jewish-Ethiopian blood,” which Health Ministry directives prohibit them from using for fear of spreading HIV. Tamano-Shata explained that she was born in Ethiopia but raised in Israel from the age of three. It made no difference. If she wanted, she could donate blood, but her donation would be frozen and never used.”

      – David Sheen has one of the most comprehensive websites, ‘Anti-African Racism in Israe”: http://www.davidsheen.com/racism/

      You’ll find plethora of information including articles, videos, reports, etc. Take your time reading and get educated.

    • DragonTat2
      DragonTat2
      May 8, 2016, 3:17 am

      Interestingly, there are Palestinian Jews, as well as Palestinians who are Christian.
      In fact, have you read this?
      Who Guards The Most Sacred Site In Christendom? Two Muslims
      http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

      Palestinian Muslims. Who knew?

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    May 6, 2016, 1:13 pm

    If Clinton keeps quiet on Israel (really, need she dig herself in deeper?), Sanders is likely to talk most about economics; in which case those who care deeply about status quo in I/P will remember what’s been said and — go with Clinton. If she raises the matter, however, Sanders might have to speak a bit of history and a bit of current events and a bit of I/L, and the American public would then (if MSM repeats this stuff) (a big if) learn and have a chance to slide further from “I” toward “P”.

    I think the censorship in the USA is monumental (as NYT shows us every day) and there is a good chance that the clinton-must-win-at-all-costs crowd (the Establishment) as well as the clinton-has-already-won crowd will tend to downplay what Sanders says about anything. And especially on I/P.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      May 6, 2016, 4:24 pm

      pabelmont- I appreciate the devotion of Sanders’ supporters and their frustrations, particularly in the next two weeks when Hillary will be questioned by the FBI. But Hillary leads Sanders by over 3 million votes of a total of 22 million cast, for something like a 56 to 42% advantage. Sanders will not make up that difference, can we agree on that? And how is a lifelong independent supposed to take over the party of a lifelong servant of the party when he has less votes? makes no sense.

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        May 6, 2016, 6:56 pm

        There are a lot of votes yet to be cast. The movement toward Bernie could accelerate rapidly if those voters learned key facts about Hillary.

        (1) Bill & Hillary turned FDR’s anti-Wall Street party into another Wall Street party. Hillary even claims the same right as Republicans to have a secret relationship with Wall Street!

        (2) Hillary has been using Wall Street money laundering tactics to fund her campaign.

        (3) Hillary would have blocked Obama’s peace deal with Iran, and will turn America’s Mideast foreign policy over to Netanyahu and the Israeli war machine.

      • Edward Q
        Edward Q
        May 6, 2016, 9:23 pm

        Opinion polls show that Sanders is a stronger candidate then Clinton. Both Clinton and Trump have very high negatives. Moreover, the 56 to 42 figure needs to allow for the fact that the media establishment is helping Clinton and hurting Sanders.

      • MoCHo
        MoCHo
        May 8, 2016, 1:53 pm

        Oh Yonah Yonah Yonah, once again you show your lack of grasp of American politics. It isn’t the number of votes in the primaries that matters — it’s the pledged delegates, first and foremost, in which Hillary is ahead by less than 300 and still far from the needed 2,350. The millions of votes you quote do not include caucuses; they do not take into account all the “closed” primaries in which only Democrats are allowed to vote. They also don’t take into consideration on the electoral fraud and voter suppression that’s been happening (my we’re starting to sound more and more like your beloved Israel). There are millions and millions of voters who are neither Democrat nor Republican (and likely to be millions more after this political season!). There are still some “yuge” states left to vote. Let’s just wait till the Convention in July to declare the winner.

  5. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    May 6, 2016, 1:18 pm

    I cannot get over the similarity in looks between Clinton and Madelaine Albright, two tough ladies who’ve learned to master diplomacy (and other diplomats):

    See: http://mondoweiss.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/clinton-sanders-clash-in-ny-debate.jpg

    See: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQo7VenOO1n1eTr4onwIgStyKvJRyaF6xZ0GhU0H876npuU-DOC6Q

    • joemowrey
      joemowrey
      May 7, 2016, 2:09 pm

      “…two tough ladies who’ve learned to master diplomacy…”

      How about, “two sociopaths who have learned to master the art of lying, bullying and killing.” These two “master[s] of diplomacy” have been responsible for untold amounts of death and destruction. Both should be on trial for war crimes, not the object of blithe conjecture about the similarity of their appearance.

  6. Xpat
    Xpat
    May 6, 2016, 2:54 pm

    I’m optimistic about the winds of change too. But it’s going to be slow and painful. Just look at the opposition.

    Among Republicans and moderate Democrats, support for Israel is at at a 15 year high. Going up to some 50% higher than the previous high!

    Who said hasbara doesn’t work?

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      May 6, 2016, 5:28 pm

      It also takes the media to keep that support going by the way they headline and write articles, which as the latest MDW article states, is making the brutal occupier, the victim of occupied people. That is strange to say the least. I also suspect that the polling companies and think tanks may be corrupted just like the media. So I would not take these polls seriously.
      In Britain a poll shows that the percentage of young people who consider themselves zionists has declined. It could be the same for US, but we will never know until there are unbiased polling companies doing it. On the other hand, their media is not fully corrupted as yet.

  7. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    May 6, 2016, 9:44 pm

    tipping point ….about time…MW has been a part of the tip

  8. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 6, 2016, 10:36 pm

    Most probably access to international news through social media and the internet, has made more people aware of what truly goes on in this conflict. Also the last massacre in Gaza which was seen live, and up to date reports from those inside Gaza and international agencies, truly opened many eyes and the entire world was horrified by the brutality and violence exhibited by that beacon of shining light.

  9. hophmi
    hophmi
    May 7, 2016, 9:21 am

    You think Israel/Palestine is the same as gay marriage, which is silly. Liberals can lead on social issues because they can present the impact on everyday Americans. The conflict is not that.

    You’re being self-congratulatory here. You’ve had the best possible political climate for a change on Israel in the last five or ten years – Israeli pm people don’t like, liberal in the White House willing to criticize Israel publicly, college campuses that have been deliberately turned into political warzones over a conflict most students neither care about nor understand, three Gaza Wars that were covered on social media in ways extremely favorable to the Palestinians – and your great achievement is that a few liberals have more slightly more sympathy for Palestinians than for Israel.

  10. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    May 7, 2016, 11:14 am

    “bleeding heart liberals”? Oy Vey, Phil, did you borrow this descriptive phase from my favorite Zionist propaganda rags: the Jerusalem Post, the Time of Israel, the Washington Toast, or the New York Times?

    • annie
      annie
      May 7, 2016, 12:51 pm

      why strip the context from the phrase james? do you know what a bleeding heart liberal is? try googling it.

      “A person who is considered excessively sympathetic toward those who claim to be underprivileged or exploited.”

      this is how it is commonly understood. check out http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barber/why-liberal-hearts-bleed-_b_2006573.html

      Political liberals are “bleeding hearts” because they empathize so strongly with the sufferings of others as did the late George McGovern. As Bill Clinton so succinctly phrased it, “I feel your pain.” When Republicans wanted to compete in the empathy department, they had to invent a new terminology to identify this strange bird. They called it a “compassionate conservative.”

      now review the context used in the article:

      The bottom line here is that liberal Democrats are leading the country on this issue. That’s where the movement is. Look at those lines crossing one another since 2014 among the bleeding heart liberals. The same liberals who drove change on: civil rights, feminism, same-sex marriage. Brace yourself.

      it’s neither an insult nor derogatory…. not unless you buy into some conservative propaganda. i for one, am proud to be a bleeding heart liberal.

  11. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    May 7, 2016, 7:51 pm

    I am confused. What happened in 2 years to change this so strongly for liberal democrats?

    • Edward Q
      Edward Q
      May 8, 2016, 10:16 am

      Besides more awareness of the issue, I think it has to do with Netanyahu’s obnoxious rudeness/attacks on Obama.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        May 8, 2016, 11:12 pm

        Yes, maybe the Iran issue and speech to Congress

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 8, 2016, 11:50 am

      “I am confused. What happened in 2 years to change this so strongly for liberal democrats?”

      No need to be confused! You can learn all about it by reading a blog called “Mondoweiss” It’s a regular guide for the perplexed.

  12. Spring Renouncer
    Spring Renouncer
    May 8, 2016, 7:09 pm

    Mrs. Clinton is truly shameless. She worked as Bibi’s stooge, desperately trying to destroy the Iran nuclear deal, yet now misses no opportunity to take credit for starting the process. Such blatant disregard for reality. And then when she’s caught, there is no recognition of guilt. She is like a naughty child, she makes a face, and then diverts the conversation through any necessary means.

    I am a twenty-year-old ‘democratic-socialist’, and basically an archetypal Sanders supporter, but when I warn my like minded peers that a Clinton presidency may well lead to a war on the level of Iraq or larger, and that even a draft cannot be discounted as a possible consequence, I am scoffed at. When I say that a Trump presidency would be no worse in terms of foreign policy than a Clinton one, and that I cannot with a clean conscience vote for either candidate, and will be forced to vote for the Greens or Socialists if Bernie loses, I am again mostly ridiculed, and accused of abetting Trump by friends.

    I wish Sanders did more to make explicitly clear just how problematic an Imperial foreign policy has been for the world. He has tried in the debates and otherwise, but decades of propaganda fill the minds of even the supposedly liberal youth. Only a few exceptional cases, and some first generation anti-nationalist kids like me really see the danger. We need a new wave of artists, and writers and scholars to help us see the truth. There has to be a real cultural reboot before essential change will occur in terms of foreign policy. Sanders alone is not that change, and he knows it.

  13. silamcuz
    silamcuz
    May 8, 2016, 8:05 pm

    As nice as this news may sound, we must not forget the Democratic party is a political entity borne out of settler colonialism, theft of native land and slavery. It represents the interests of the colonialists first and foremost, despite it’s facade of being the progressive party. We can’t overthrow the system and dismantle the white supremacist regime by coopting with the colonialists, just as Palestinians can’t achieve liberation through voting for Labour.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 8, 2016, 11:47 pm

      “We can’t overthrow the system and dismantle the white supremacist regime”

      I’m sorry, you never told us who “we” is. But really, don’t you think you are going too far? Why not take your own advice:

      “I don’t believe that all white people who support the white supremacist regime are good folks who just got duped, because I know many who support the white supremacist regime because they savour the privilege of being racists and the power to oppress entire civilizations. However, these type of folks will always exist in the world across all societies, and their whiteness is irrelevant in their politics.” “silamcuz” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/recent-comments/#sthash.cDPX2dS5.dpuf

      So you’ve got to give ’em a break. Anybody can see that.

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