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There are times that one must look at the American Jewish community and say that it is deeply troubled, and Monday night at Temple Emanu-El’s Skirball Center was one of those times. I was sitting in the lavish sanctuary of the Reform synagogue off Central Park, surely one of the richest temples in the world, surrounded by 500 other Jews almost all of them my age and older (old), and on the stage a famous Israeli leader was attacking President Obama’s Iran deal, criticizing American Jews for assimilating and abandoning the “Jewish future,” calling on rich American Jews to stop giving money to universities where the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is active, because just about any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, and never saying the word Palestinian all night, let alone speaking of Palestinian conditions– and Natan Sharansky was repeatedly applauded. And at the end of the speech he got a standing ovation.

The biggest human rights concern all night was: Why can’t Reform Jewish women worship at the Western Wall in Jerusalem?

This is the state of the American Jewish establishment. It shows utter contempt for Palestinian human rights in a senior citizen prom of narcissism.

Sharansky demonstrated complete hypocrisy himself. The former human rights activist who was imprisoned for nine years by the Soviets and then allowed to emigrate to Israel in 1986, at age 38, spoke with glee of the “destruction” of the Soviet Union. Used the word twice. Then his host David Harris of the American Jewish Committee joined that glee when he said that Sharansky is “dancing on the grave” of the Soviet Union.

So a man who was persecuted by a system has the perfect ability in a New York temple to celebrate the “destruction” of that order.

But now Sharansky is the chair of the Jewish Agency, which promotes Jewish emigration to Israel and to the occupied territories, where these colonists take over Palestinian homes and lands; but when the Palestinians say they are persecuted by Israel and they want to end a regime of Jewish supremacy that is Zionism– well, they are in the view of Israelis, “part of a grand strategy to delegitimize Israel and ultimately to destroy the Jewish state.” But that destruction is anti-Semitic.

“This campaign of delegitimization, of singling Israel … that’s classical antisemitism,” Sharansky said.

It reminded me of the end of Orwell’s Animal Farm, when the pigs have turned into men and the men to pigs. This guy spent nine years in a Soviet prison as a persecuted minority and now he persecutes a minority (that may even be a majority) and has no compunction dismissing their complaints of persecution as anti-Semitism.

Again: there was not a word all night about Palestinian conditions. In a temple filled with 500 privileged Jews my age and older (i.e., we’re headed for the dustbin of history, and not a moment too soon).

Sharansky acknowledged that young American Jews are turning against Israel. Half the 40 demonstrators at an appearance he made at Brown University in January with Michael Douglas were Jewish. But these must be assimilating Jews! The head of the Jewish Agency gave a lecture against assimilation. He said that the whole time he fought for Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union, he insisted that those Jews should go anywhere they wanted, not just Israel; but Moshe Arens, an Israeli politician who had spent a lot of time in the U.S., said that if those Jews went to America they would assimilate. Moshe Arens said: “Let’s look historically. Jews in America are assimilating. Jews who come from Russia to America, They will all be assimilated. So all this struggle is not for continuing the future of the Jewish people. Guaranteeing the future of the Jewish people, they have to come to Israel.” And Sharansky disagreed. But now he thinks Arens is right, and he tells the Russian Jews in the U.S., they have a “special responsibility” not to assimilate.

(Because my grandfather who came out from Russia 115 years ago did such a shitty job of guaranteeing the Jewish future because he failed to warn me about shiksas enough).

Then a woman in the audience said what is Israel going to do to counter the anti-semitism of the BDS movement, and Sharansky said, Wait, this is an American problem, so this is your responsibility, as American Jews. He talked about the donors:

This is something that is having great influence on your children and grand children. It has to be at the center of attention of American Jews. I have to say that in many universities  where BDS movement is strong, the major donors to these universities are respectable members of the Jewish community and not always they agree to use their influence on them. So it’s something to think about first of all,  for American Jews.

You rich Jews have to turn the screws on the universities, or you won’t be respectable in the Jewish community anymore.

If you missed the point, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee then stepped in to explain the obligation of American Jews to be in Israel’s army.

In our estimation there are three fronts: the Israeli military and authorities fight on one front to defend Israel, the Israeli civilian population has become a second front because of the acts of terror, and the third front are places like the campuses around the world, and that has to be our front. And organizations like AJC and others are focusing specifically on that front, and everyone in this auditorium, it is our obligation first and foremost to insure that we successfully meet the challenges on that front.

A few years ago Eric Alterman called out Ruth Wisse for fostering dual loyalty with just such an argument at the Center for Jewish History: American Jewish students have to serve in Israel’s army on campus.

Now here comes a major Jewish leader — who opposed President Obama’s Iran deal proudly — saying that American Jews have to serve on the battlefront for Israel in the United States.

Do these people have any idea that they are fostering anti-Semitism? A wealthy Jewish audience of 500 gathers to talk about Israel, and their obligation to fight for Israel, and not a word is said about Palestinian conditions but people are wringing their hands about access to the Western Wall for American Jews, and the richest people in the crowd are exhorted to put pressure on universities through their donations to shut down free speech against Israel on campuses. From a guy who once called on American Jews to pressure the Soviet Union on behalf of Jews when he was in prison.

That was the one moving moment of the night. A little girl (I guess there was one young person) asked if Sharansky had gotten her mother’s letters when he was in prison, and everyone laughed, but Sharansky said it was a great question. He never got the letter, but the Soviet authorities did. And that American Jewish pressure kept him from dying during a hunger strike of 110 days; but a fellow prisoner died a year later because he wasn’t famous (I believe a reference to Anatoly Marchenko), and American Jews didn’t write a lot of letters to the Soviets.

There are thousands of Palestinians in Israeli prisons right now, fighting to end a system of ethnic discrimination against them. And a lot of young American Jews know this and are on their side. Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.

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  1. Mooser
    Mooser
    May 18, 2016, 11:52 am

    “But these must be assimilating Jews! The head of the Jewish Agency gave a lecture against assimilation.”

    I must say, I was very, very angry when I became aware I was an American citizen since birth, and not a Jew who might, if I found the US was worthy, reward it with my assimilation and citizenship. Pretty goddam presumptuous if you ask me. A broch tsu Columbus!

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      May 21, 2016, 5:15 pm

      @ Mooser, remember when everybody, especially American Jews, were always praising “the melting pot”?

      I wonder if Phill Weiss remembers? Then the melting pot became the “tossed salad,” which, in turn, became today’s “chunky stew.”

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    May 18, 2016, 12:17 pm

    I heard a rumor a while ago that they put him in charge of the Jewish Agency because that’s what you do with useless Zionist bureaucrats. Wasn’t he in charge of Israel Bonds at one time? Damn, but if you can get yourself on this Zionist Gravytrain you are set for life!

  3. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    May 18, 2016, 12:18 pm

    Sharanskij: (in effect): “The Jews are the (“the” and not “a”) Chosen People, and they were chosen not to be holy, not to behave well in the wider world, but to be insular (so don’t assimilate) and, from inside that insular world, to do evil to others (non-Jews).

    And that is insufficient to demonstrate “chosenness”: it is also necessary (as we can see from the behavior) to mistreat each other: white Jews (ashkenazi) must/may despise brown Jews (mizrahi), and both must/may despise black Jews (Ethiopian) — or, if not despising, at least ill-treating and ungenerously treating those lower on this color-tested pecking order.

    And here sit these doddering American Jews, assimilated to the last one, but eager to assert “belongingness” to a so-called Jewish nation and therefore willing to cheer this misanthrope as if he represented something honorable, something desirable, something holy.

    And sitting dodderingly, they listen approvingly to the cruel nonsense — which their synagogue apparently approves of ! — that complaint by outsiders at the behavior of Israel is somehow antisemitic. Circle the wagons folks even if you don’t live in the wagons and haven’t done what the wagon-eers have done and continue to do.

    Sort of reminds me of how, when I go to classical music concerts I often have to sit through one “modern” or “contemporary” piece as well as old favorites — because the powers that be dictate that concerts must include such pieces (which most of the audience usually find ugly and pointless).

    If only they’d offer me an honorary membership, so I could turn it down!

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      May 18, 2016, 1:05 pm

      “Sharanskij: (in effect): “The Jews are the (“the” and not “a”) Chosen People, and they were chosen not to be holy, not to behave well in the wider world, but to be insular (so don’t assimilate) and, from inside that insular world, to do evil to others (non-Jews). ”

      If he believes he’s been chosen by satan, then he’s making his master very proud. God, on the other hand, the God that supposedly dictated His laws, commandments and codes of conduct to Moses, spoke about remembering the bondage of Egypt, don’t abuse the stranger, the orphan, the widow, don’t cheat anybody, don’t steal, covet, etc. But according to zionists, to follow those commandments is to be a freier. Haval.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      May 18, 2016, 7:38 pm

      A firm belief that Jews are “Chosen” by God, and superior to all other people, is the most economical way to explain the various absurdities of Sharansky’s thinking. It explains why there is not even a consideration of applying the concepts of justice or suffering to non-Jews. If non-Jews are actually non-human, the mystery disappears. Clearing out the Palestinians is like clearing out “grasshoppers”, as stated by Menachem Begin, former Israeli Prime Minister and leader of the slaughter of innocents at Deir Yassin.

      And one wouldn’t want to dilute superior genetics by commingling it with inferior stock. This bundle of attitudes is exactly the same as the core Nazi attitudes, merely switching which people is in the role of superior beings. There are two versions of “Never again”, the sane version and the insane version. Sharansky and Israel are obviously promoting the insane version.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        May 21, 2016, 5:10 pm

        @JWalters
        Oh, that explains why my future Jewish mother in law threatened to throw “hot boiling water” on me, back in the day. Odd how things work out, on her dying bed she told me she wished she had made me, not her only son, executor of her will.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 7:10 pm

        “Jewish mother in law threatened to throw “hot boiling water” on me,”

        My non-Jewish mother-in-law-to-be stood by and let me marry her daughter!

      • ToivoS
        ToivoS
        May 21, 2016, 11:09 pm

        My Jewish mother in law said “at least he is not a schwartza”. And with that she blessed her daughter’s assimilation.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 1:18 pm

        “And with that she blessed…”

        We had to let my in-laws down bit-by-bit. One thing I’m grateful for, it was years before they found out I was a printer.

  4. Marnie
    Marnie
    May 18, 2016, 12:58 pm

    “It reminded me of the end of Orwell’s Animal Farm, when the pigs have turned into men and the men to pigs.”

    Yep. Sharansky – cognitive dissonance or has he completely transformed into a pig?

  5. just
    just
    May 18, 2016, 1:06 pm

    “It reminded me of the end of Orwell’s Animal Farm, when the pigs have turned into men and the men to pigs. This guy spent nine years in a Soviet prison as a persecuted minority and now he persecutes a minority (that may even be a majority) and has no compunction dismissing their complaints of persecution as anti-Semitism.”

    Well said. It’s an all too common theme wrt Zionism and Israel.

    This evil is being promoted and applauded in a synagogue? Racism, miscegenation, incitement~ lovely. “Israel’s army” growing beyond its already terrible reach is horrific to contemplate.

    Why is it that Zionists never speak in the language of peace, anyway? How can there be an admiring audience for these people?

    Any bets that they are fully behind the witch hunt of Breaking the Silence?

    “Israel action threatens to close down rights group and ‘chill’ free speech

    …The case, which will be heard in court next week, is being brought by the Israeli government, which is demanding that Breaking the Silence identify anonymous serving military personnel who have given it testimony relating to alleged crimes in the 2014 Gaza war. The group says this is likely to deter future potential testifiers coming forward.

    The move follows months of attacks on the group by leading politicians as well as rightwing activists – including attempted infiltrations by figures posing as sympathisers and a public accusation of “treason” by the country’s defence minister.

    Breaking the Silence staff and its legal team say the legal moves not only pose a threat to the group but also threaten to “chill” both free speech and human rights activism in Israel.

    Lawyer Michael Sfard said: “It is a judgment day for Breaking the Silence, and its continued ability to work. But I think it is also pivotal moment for Israeli civil society.”…

    …The court case is the latest chapter in what appears to be an increasingly vigorous campaign to limit the activities of, or silence, Breaking the Silence and other groups including B’Tselem.

    That began in earnest in December when Israel’s defence minister, Moshe Ya’alon, said Breaking the Silence would be banned from activities on Israeli military bases – although it does little work on them. A few days later, the far-right education minister, Naftali Bennett, made a similar statement regarding banning the group in the education system.

    More sinister, claims the group, have been attempts to infiltrate it and provide false testimonies to discredit it, while it says there have been multiple efforts to hack into its database.

    A bill that opponents say targets Israeli human rights groups critical of Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians has also won initial approval in parliament with the support of rightwing parties. …”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/18/israel-action-threatens-rights-group-free-speech-breaking-silence-soliers

    Yet, nothing is done about this miscreant/inciter:

    “How an Incendiary Rapper Became a Symbol for Israel’s Angry Far Right
    The Shadow is tapping into a rightward shift in Israel, and has gained a following among frustrated, anti-Arab citizens with his provocative calls to action.

    …The hundreds that showed up alongside Eliasi – many of them shouting “Death to the Arabs” – attacked the left-wingers at the rally with clubs, beating them and sending at least one person to the hospital.  No charges were filed.

    ‘An opportunist’
    “He’s an opportunist – because he’s not really someone who would be making headlines for music,” says Ami Pedahzur, a professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, who researches the radical right wing in Israel. “He is tapping into a well-documented rightward shift that has taken place in the country.”

    “In the past, there would be condemnation across the board if a soldier committed a point-blank execution, as is the case with Azaria,” adds Pedahzur. “But today, we don’t hear condemnation from the right. The Shadow is more a symptom of the times than a problem.”

    “I don’t think he is on the fringe,” agrees Dani Filc, a professor in Ben-Gurion University’s department of politics and government, who has done research on the populist radical right in Israel. “He is expressing, in a more rhetorically violent way, the things considered mainstream by the right-wing political establishment today.”

    “The way he speaks about both Arabs and leftists has long been legitimized by the three main right-wing parties in Israel: Likud, Habayit Hayehudi and Yisrael Beiteinu,” says Filc. “The difference is mainly in the vulgarity of his expression and, of course, the phenomenon of social media.”

    Eliasi basically makes the same point the academics do: “The right wing always wants to show it is enlightened. They don’t like being called baboons, so they throw me to the wolves. That way they can be like: ‘We are legitimate right wing. But he is an extremist,” he said during the Army Radio interview about being disinvited to the rally last month. “But I am not going to soften my talk. I tell it like it is,” he says.

    Frequently hateful
    “The Shadow’s Facebook page is, consistently, one the places where we find the highest incidents of hate speech,” says Anat Rosilio, who runs the “hate speech index” compiled by the Berl Katznelson Foundation, an organization that promotes democracy education.

    Using a bank of some 200 hateful words or phrases – from “Nazi,” to “retard,” to “Death to Arabs” – and armed with a powerful computer program, the index combs through Hebrew-language Twitter feeds, Facebook posts and feedback pages on news sites, and maps cases of incitement and hate speech that are polluting the web. The program can scan over half-a-million online texts a day, Rosilio explains, and it can break down not only what is being posted, but who is being targeted: from Arabs and leftists, to right-wingers and settlers, to asylum seekers and members of local LGBT and ultra-Orthodox communities.

    “It’s crazy,” Rosilio says about the amount of incitement found on the Shadow’s Facebook page, primarily in the comments section. “The numbers we find there compete with numbers we see on far, far larger platforms – like on Ynet,” she adds, referring to Israel’s most widely read news portal. …”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-1.720041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    This is today’s snapshot of ‘Israel’.

  6. eljay
    eljay
    May 18, 2016, 1:39 pm

    … on the stage a famous Israeli leader was attacking President Obama’s Iran deal, criticizing American Jews for assimilating and abandoning the “Jewish future,” calling on rich American Jews to stop giving money to universities where the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is active …

    Mr. Sharansky is a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist.

    “This campaign of delegitimization, of singling Israel … that’s classical antisemitism,” Scharansky said.

    Mr. Sharansky then proceeded shamelessly to single out the Soviet Union, Iran, President Obama, American Jews who assimilate and universities where BDS is active.

  7. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 18, 2016, 2:48 pm

    “This campaign of delegitimization, of singling Israel … that’s classical antisemitism,” Scharansky said”

    Can`t get my head round this one Monsieur Scaransky. Are you saying that BDSers are using old “antisemitism” techniques as opposed to newer more modern techniques. Strange since BDS on my understanding is an 11 year old newer and distinctly more modern way of fighting JSIL fascism?

    As for his views about “assimilation” it may be that he was simply pointing out that it is the duty of all Jews in America,JSIL , Europe,Antartica anywhere in the known universe in fact to prevent at all costs young Jews from falling in love with and committing to relationships with non Jews. For brain dead Ziofreaks like Scaransky love in these situations is not “a many splendored thing” but an ugly nasty insidious thing which has been cleverly engineered somehow by the rampant hordes of classical anti – semites in America etc (as above).

    Give the freak a few years and he may well end up endorsing “honour” killings for those who betray the tribe in this way.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 8:05 pm

      “…may well end up endorsing “honour” killings

      Oh, that’s a little outre, don’t you think? I think it will be more of a ‘battle of wills’. I’m waiting to see who suggests that as a method of dealing with not-Zionist children.

  8. hophmi
    hophmi
    May 18, 2016, 3:01 pm

    “Do these people have any idea that they are fostering anti-Semitism? A wealthy Jewish audience of 500 gathers to talk about Israel, and their obligation to fight for Israe”

    Chutzpah. You write antisemitic things here, and then blame the victim. How is it “fighting for Israel” to suggest (correctly) that Jewish students on campus are being targeted by the Palestinian-led BDS movement, and that Jews have a responsibility to stand up for themselves? Why do you conflate Jews standing up for themselves with fighting for Israel?

    “Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.”

    Because a movement of Jewish liberation is similar to the Soviet Empire. What an idiotic and inappropriate comparison, especially given the fact that 30 and 40 years ago, the people your age currently in the BDS movement routinely denied that the Soviets were persecuting the Jewish community

    • chocopie
      chocopie
      May 18, 2016, 4:09 pm

      That is just silly. Jewish students on campus are NOT targeted by BDS. You sound paranoid. BDS targets Israeli policies, it does not target people who are Jewish. It does not even target people who are Zionist. It targets the policies of a foreign country. BDS is a respectful, non-violent, civil, and legal way for law-abiding people to express their opposition to Israel’s unfair policies.

      Israel enforces an actual blockade against Palestinian people in Gaza and then has the nerve to cry and whimper about BDS. Incredible.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        May 19, 2016, 12:15 pm

        “Jewish students on campus are NOT targeted by BDS.”

        They very much are targeted by BDS, which seeks first to divide Jewish students from one another, and then to use the minority of pro-BDS Jewish students on campus to advance their aims by having them attack other Jewish groups on campus. BDS also depends on conflating Jewish with white in order to collect support from students of color organizations, who are threatened that if they do not sign on to BDS, they’ll be smeared as “Zionist,” which is today a smear on college campuses. BDS activists also work to restrict Jewish student groups from bringing speakers to campus and from receiving student government funding to attend events where Zionists may speak.

        “BDS is a respectful, non-violent, civil, and legal way for law-abiding people to express their opposition to Israel’s unfair policies.”

        Sorry, but there is a long line of students who can tell you about the way BDS activists turned students against one another on campus, harassed those who were not willing to sign up to their cause, used antisemitic rhetoric, and disrupted the events of other students in violation of college regulations.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 19, 2016, 4:36 pm

        “Sorry, but there is a long line of students who can tell you about the way BDS activists”

        Gee, then I would expect a long line of links, or maybe just one.
        C’mon, “Hophmi” link us to something telling us how BDS activists turned Jewish students against each other!

        I guess tribal unity just ain’t what it used to be.

      • talknic
        talknic
        May 19, 2016, 8:34 pm

        @ hophmi “Sorry, but there is a long line of students who can tell you about the way BDS activists turned students against one another on campus, harassed those who were not willing to sign up to their cause, used antisemitic rhetoric, and disrupted the events of other students in violation of college regulations”

        Uh huh. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Jewish+student+door+swastikas

      • chocopie
        chocopie
        May 19, 2016, 9:13 pm

        No, sorry, I am very well acquainted with campus BDS. Jewish students absolutely are not targeted, not ever. Every effort is made to welcome any and all students who want to be involved or want to learn about BDS. Jewish students and students of color are perfectly able to decide whether or not to get involved and are not helpless pawns at the mercy of BDS activists. You are so paranoid. BDS activists on campus are just ordinary college students who have no control over funding for other student groups and have no mechanism for restricting the funding of other student groups. You sound ridiculous.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 4:44 pm

      “Hophmi”, this is the way to go. That avuncular, ‘Phil-I’-m-saying-this-for-your-own-good’ tone should do the trick. Much better than all the “demon spawn of pfefferkorn and Jackie Mason” stuff you usually use.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        May 20, 2016, 11:46 am

        Right, because a single story about some Jewish student painting a swastika on her own door automatically discredits every other story of antisemitism on campus. You’re a joke, talknic. You’re the kind of person who would have questioned reports of concentration camps in 1944 by suggesting that the Jews were making it up.

        People on this site always, always, always, respond to antisemitism issues by denying that antisemitism is a problem or by suggesting that people are fabricating the claims. That’s another indicator that BDS has a serious antisemitism problem.

        “No, sorry, I am very well acquainted with campus BDS. Jewish students absolutely are not targeted, not ever. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/05/sharansky-assimilating-universities/#comment-840185

        I’m well acquainted with campus BDS as well. So far, I’ve seen pro-BDS student groups produce special signs for Jewish students to hold expressing their pro-BDS views, which is a little like a conservative anti-affirmative action organization making signs for Blacks to hold that say things like, “Another Black against Affirmative Action.” I’ve seen people write in campus newspapers that the Holocaust should be given less prominence because the victims were “white.” I’ve had Jewish students tell me that they were heckled when they complained about how BDS activists were using antisemitic language on campus. I’ve heard people dismiss the concerns of Jews on campus because they’re “white and privileged.” Don’t tell me that Jews aren’t being targeted.

        “You are so paranoid. BDS activists on campus are just ordinary college students who have no control over funding for other student groups and have no mechanism for restricting the funding of other student groups.”

        I’ve seen pro-BDS students who sit in student government attempt to deny funding to groups like J Street.

        “You sound ridiculous.”

        You sound like a person who is either very dense or very ignorant about how a college campus works.

      • annie
        annie
        May 20, 2016, 1:00 pm

        Right, because a single story about some Jewish student painting a swastika on her own door automatically discredits every other story of antisemitism on campus.

        as opposed to what? your claims which you have produced not even one supporting link? just allegations. and for the record, there have been more than one jewish student busted for producing swastikas on campuses. and in the glaring absence of even one incident of a non jewish student getting busted for vandalizing campus with a swastika (that i can recall anyway) i’d say the link very much discredits all your non supported claims.

        it might be a valuable lesson for you to review the children’s fable “the boy who cried wolf”. it takes a lot more than crying wolf to get the masses to stand up and listen after years of false alarms. you have to actually produce the wolf once in awhile. it’s not to say the wolf is not out there because it is and can be deadly. but constant (and continually discredited) claims it comes from BDS does not an argument make.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 12:38 pm

        “discredits every other story of antisemitism on campus. “

        Uh, excuse me, Rebbe “Hophmi”, but you haven’t given us any stories.
        Of course, it is inherently antisemitic to doubt any accusations of antisemitism. There is that. Especially when they are made by Jews. That’s about as low as person can go, huh?

      • annie
        annie
        May 20, 2016, 1:26 pm

        Of course, it is inherently antisemitic to doubt any accusations of antisemitism.

        inherently, of course.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 20, 2016, 1:39 pm

        || hophmi: … People on this site always, always, always, respond to antisemitism issues by denying that antisemitism is a problem or by suggesting that people are fabricating the claims. … ||

        Some people may do that. Others will agree that anti-Semitism exists and should be dealt with through the application of justice, accountability and equality.

        When it comes to I-P, what every single Zio-supremacist everywhere does – and can be counted on to do – always, always, always and all the time is:
        – hypocritically argue against justice, accountability and equality; and
        – advocate, engage in, uphold, defend, justify and/or excuse Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 2:42 pm

        “inherently, of course.”

        And don’t forget the corollary rule:

        “Any accusation which in any way resembles a spurious accusation made by anti-semites (or, FTM, one which “Hophmi” imagines they must have made) must be ipso factoid itself spurious.” QED!

        And since there isn’t anything which antisemites haven’t accused Jews of at one time or another (right, “Hophmi”?) this provides an almost universal immunity. There’s just no way around it!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 5:25 pm

        “I’m well acquainted with campus BDS as well.”

        And understand equations, both the simple and quadratical.
        About bi-binomial theorem you are teeming with a lot of news, with many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

        Just think of the videos and links to Facebook you could put on your blog (“What Mondoweiss Won’t Tell You About BDS”). Students telling their own heart-rendering stories. And just think “Hophmi”, your readership can reach its natural size, instead of being limited by Mondoweiss’ readership. (Just think of Phil looking at the web stats, and getting mad, stamping around and screaming “Cancel my rumba lesson!”)

        ” So far, I’ve seen pro-BDS student groups produce special signs for Jewish students to hold expressing their pro-BDS views, which is a little like a conservative anti-affirmative action organization making signs for Blacks to hold that say things like, “Another Black against Affirmative Action.”

        They must use non-photographing paper for those signs.

        “Hophmi” take a tip from me. Nix your black/Jewish analogies. They’re not doing what you think they’re supposed to. Uh, rather more the opposite.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        May 20, 2016, 7:56 pm

        Annie Robbins. Ever the denier.

        Here’s one to get you started.

        http://forward.com/opinion/335947/how-jewish-students-like-me-got-bullied-at-vassar-bds-vote/

        There were also two swastika incidents at Vassar this year.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 20, 2016, 10:38 pm

        @hophmi

        Campus antisemitism like this hoppy

        https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/instigator-anti-semitism-scam-kicked-out-labour

        I agŕee that antisemitism exists on campus. Like all forms of racism and bigotry it can be found wherever we look.

        Unfortunately it is often faked in an effort to create fear where none need exist. Zionists have long form for doing this including murder.

        Clean your own house before shedding crocodile tears.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 11:04 am

        “Annie Robbins. Ever the denier.”

        “Hophmi”, don’t put up with it. Get in touch with Phil Weiss, and tell him what to do about it! After all, you two can communicate on a level “Annie” cannot reach:

        “Phil agrees with me, by the way, that I put up with a lot of nonsense here; I’ve written him a number of times, and he’s always been a gentleman. I think he’s repulsed by a good deal of the commentary here.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/?keyword=gentleman#sthash.GGBsO4cc.dpuf

        One word from you, and Phil will tell “the denier” that her whole cloth is just too thin!

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 11:16 am

        mooser, i actually responded to him last night but didn’t post it. (too cruel -i saved it tho). have you read that forward article? bwahhhh! it’s just full of zingers like:

        Perhaps most damaging of all, they have divided the campus by portraying the territorial conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as a case of white colonialists oppressing people of color.

        shocking!! this sort of hard hitting commentary is much too alienating for young impressionable jewish college students. they shouldn’t be having to deal with these kinds of critiques at such a young tender age. there should be trigger warnings and rules set up to prevent this kind of info from impacting their malleable minds. it’s all so very sensitive.

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 11:30 am

        and that’s only the tip of the iceberg, it actually gets so much worse than that. the bullying the author has endured, just unconscionable. listen to this:

        I have been told – by a Jewish student leader, no less – that supporting Israel is tantamount to supporting oppression

        no student should ever have to endure this kind of humiliation, especially not a jewish student. they’re in college for heaven’s sake, this is not the real world. who’s going to protect them? and can you believe their parents are shelling out money to this institution — that fails to protect them from this kind of speech. like i said, tip of the iceberg.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 11:51 am

        “Perhaps most damaging of all, they have divided the campus by portraying the territorial conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as a case of white colonialists oppressing people of color.”

        Oh, that is very, very damaging. What would be the harvest if Jewish students started thinking of themselves as “white”? Depression, denial, and self-destruction. Not many people can deal with that kind of rejection.

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 12:12 pm

        hops: I’ve seen people write in campus newspapers that the Holocaust should be given less prominence because the victims were “white.”

        link please. your buddy Jason Storch made a similar claim but produced not a shred of evidence. so i’m glad you actually read this argument from the horse’s mouth because i am very curious to read it. thanks in advance for linking to it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 12:26 pm

        “you actually read this argument from the horse’s mouth”

        I won’t quibble about your equine anatomy. For all I know, horses projection vomit, too.

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 1:15 pm

        i’ve only heard this meme from team israel so it makes me very curious. the difference between hops and storch at tablet was “students here think of the Holocaust as an event that affected white victims rather than people of color, and they argue that it therefore receives too much attention compared to other atrocities” vs hops “should be given less prominence because the victims were “white.”” so the argument according to them is holocaust is given to much or should be given less attention.

        whereas, i wonder – if the argument exists which i’ll presume it does giving the benefit of the doubt, is that because the holocaust of jews were primarily white (which european jews are and the other half of the victims are hardly discussed to the point most americans probably don’t even know 1/2(or more) of the victims were not jews, so they are probably not the target of this argument) the holocaust is given more attention/prominence than other atrocities. which is probably true.

        and i’m really not sure why that should be considered bullying or even controversial. maybe it’s just a situation where the holocaust is in a sacred cow category where advocates of israel can pull it out and use it (as a debate tool) at any given time to argue or justify israel’s reasons for existing as a supremacists state, but no one else is allowed to go near or even mention it.

        but i seriously doubt it would be any kind of prominent topic in a i/p debate today if it wasn’t used to justify the colonization of palestine — the nakba.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 1:07 pm

        “no student should ever have to endure this kind of humiliation…”

        That’s right! Nobody sends their kids to college to have their religion dissected. That should be considered private.

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 1:21 pm

        mooser, the implication being — israel is their religion? or zionism?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 2:17 pm

        “mooser, the implication being — israel is their religion? or zionism?”

        Dissect, dissect, dissect, is that all you people ever do?

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        May 21, 2016, 3:12 pm

        As to students enduring humiliation, I would find it genuinely humiliating were I a student of Palestinian origin told that the genuine humiliation that is inflicted on Palestinians at checkpoints and elsewhere is not oppressive but somehow reasonable. I’d feel insulted and belittled. Wouldn’t you?

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 3:29 pm

        and if i were palestinian i would certainly find the notion that “Jewish students at Vassar had suffered the most during the BDS campaign” very humiliating, especially if i had family suffering through the occupation:

        When a Jewish member of the student association’s council reminded the gallery that Jewish students at Vassar had suffered the most during the BDS campaign, a pro-BDS student responded that Jews on campus had a Jewish studies program and a rabbi, as if her concerns hardly mattered.

        http://forward.com/opinion/335947/how-jewish-students-like-me-got-bullied-at-vassar-bds-vote/

        i tend to agree that in the context of the ongoing nakba, the ‘suffering’ sentiments of pro israel jews on american campuses are just not that important.

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 4:16 pm

        People on this site always, always, always, respond to antisemitism issues by denying that antisemitism is a problem or by suggesting that people are fabricating the claims.

        that’s a lie. if anyone wants to witness some serious anti semitism go take a look at jonathan weisman’s twitter feed. he’s the “Deputy Washington Editor, The New York Times” and he posted a link to an anti trump article by robert kagan day before yesterday and all hell broke loose. i am no fan of the kagans, nor a trump fan. but the response was beyond gross. even .01% of the filth that follows is way too much. it’s beyond gross.

        https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 6:12 pm

        I took a look at that thing, “Annie” They seem to be blaming Jews for the host of ills (immigration, promiscuity, gay marriage etc.) usually reserved to liberals and ‘leftists’.

        Next, mark my words, these same people will be blaming American Jews for America’s failure to adequately support Israel!

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 6:50 pm

        mark my words, they’d have no compunction against blaming jews for anything and everything. they’re just scary sickos.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        May 22, 2016, 4:16 pm

        Being told that you are worthy of humiliation is humiliating: it assigns you a low place in the scheme of things. Being told that you are inflicting humiliation may be distressing but it is not humiliating: it assigns you some kind of powerful place and, like all rational moral disagreement, treats you as a rational being who may change in the light of argument. Of course the accusation against pro-Israeli Vassar students is almost always the lesser one that they are supporting the infliction, not performing it. The accusations on the grounds of simply being Jewish are none at all, as is shown by the obvious fact that there is such a prominent and welcome Jewish presence among those who are opposed to Zionism: I can’t believe it’s different at Vassar.

    • amigo
      amigo
      May 18, 2016, 6:31 pm

      “Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.” hophead qouting Phil.

      Hoppy , you got to admit it has a nice ring to it , eh??.

      Do you think we should plant some Olive trees on that grave. Naw , maybe not. There might still be some ziocaine fumes escaping that would harm the trees. Besides , a symbol of peace would be most inappropriate.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 12:40 pm

        “Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.”

        To the sound of old Beach Boychiks tunes!

  9. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    May 18, 2016, 5:14 pm

    There are two common theories (unproven strategies: unproven over the long haul, but somewhat proven over the short haul) of Jewish continuity: Zionism and Torah. (Usually the Torah aspect is expressed as traditional Judaism or Orthodox Judaism).

    It is well established that this site is dedicated to the eradication of Zionism, as is so succinctly expressed here: “Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.” But this site is also dedicated to assimilation, as in the disappearance of Jewishness or Jewish culture. Anything that speaks against assimilation speaks against the love of Phil Weiss for his wife and therefore assimilation is good and the fight against assimilation is bad.

    it is clear that Phil Weiss cannot wait to toss Zionism and its american jewish elite supporters onto the dustbin of history. Is there any aspect of Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture, Jewish continuity that he supports? It seems not.

    • amigo
      amigo
      May 18, 2016, 6:34 pm

      “Is there any aspect of Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture, Jewish continuity that he supports? It seems not. “Yonah Fredman.

      JVP –perhaps.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 18, 2016, 7:06 pm

        “Is there any aspect of Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture, Jewish continuity that he supports? It seems not.”

        Don’t worry, “Yonah”! When it comes time for the world to reward us Jews for saving it from the Palestinians, we’ll make it clear that Phil had nothing to do with it, didn’t help a bit. He won’t get any of the credit.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 6:49 pm

      “Anything that speaks against assimilation speaks against the love of Phil Weiss for his wife”

      “Yonah”, I’m sorry, you lost me. What on earth does Phil’s wife have to do with all that stuff? I don’t see the connection at all. Did you think bloggers are supposed to be bachelors? Could you explain, “Yonah”?

      “Yonah” wasn’t it two Jewish guys who said:

      “Loving one who loves you,
      And then, taking those vows!
      It’s nice work, if you can get it,
      And if you get it, Mazel Tov!”

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 8:23 pm

      “But this site is also dedicated to assimilation”

      “Yonah” you know how it is in this accursed country. The Goldenah Medina has a lot of brass, if you ask me! They never even ask a Jew if he would rather not have the rights, benefits and protections of an American citizen, they just thrust it on us with our first breath. If a Jew is an immigrant, the US offers them no other option!
      Never, ever once did they ask us “Do you want access to the courts, and protection for contracts, and the right to defend yourself?” No! They don’t consider us Jews at all, merely “persons”!
      No one ever asks us if we want to be, say 3/5ths Jewish and 2/5ths American, a privilege they would consider for African slaves, but not us.
      Did anybody ever ask us if we might prefer another option, like chattel slavery, or that position of the Native Americans. They could keep their identity, but we couldn’t!

      As a matter of fact, I think it was a Jewish congregation in Rhode Island (?) or NY City (get a rope!) which wrote to President Washington about it, and he slipped ’em the bad news by return post with no honey on it; Jews would merely be American citizens. And even if they grew their peyas and beards, dressed and prayed the way they wanted to the US wouldn’t let them out of it. For American Jews, our Papa was a rollin’ stone.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      May 19, 2016, 12:36 am

      Do you ever see daylight? There you go again, conflating zionism with Judaism, Jewishness (?), Jewish culture and Jewish continuity (?). WTF are you talking about?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 12:57 pm

        “WTF are you talking about?”

        I think “Yonah” is trying to say that settler-colonialism, Zionism, and international intransigence, along with being mercenaries and handmaidens for a superpower, is all part of the Jewish religion.
        So don’t you see? All those things should be afforded the same respect and tolerance you would show towards an old harmless man at his prayers.
        Do I have it right “Yonah”?

    • bryan
      bryan
      May 19, 2016, 7:28 am

      Yonah – you badly underestimate the resilience and range of Jewishness if you say that all it has to offer is the prayer-book or the sword. The pen is far mightier. In the battlefield of secular ideas, activism and the pursuit of truth and justice you can be justly proud of the achievements of the likes of Noam Chomsky, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Richard Falk, Jeff Halper, Norman Finkelstein, Allen Ginsburg, David Grossman, Christopher Hitchins, Abbie Hoffman, Tony Judt, Miriam Karlin, Gerald Kaufman, Eric Mann, Michael Neumann, Matti Peled, Carl Sagan, Bernie Saunders, I.F.Stone, Simone Weil, Naomi Wolf and a host of others.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 2:52 pm

        ” justly proud of the achievements of the likes of”

        A rather poor rag-and-bone dealer in New Orleans, name of Karnofsky, who helped the young Louis Armstrong, who worked for him, buy his first horn.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      May 19, 2016, 8:10 am

      yonah fredman: “But this site is also dedicated to assimilation, as in the disappearance of Jewishness or Jewish culture.”

      I just replaced “Jewishness or Jewish” with “white” … and wasn’t surprised at all …

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 19, 2016, 12:02 pm

      || yonah fredman: … It is well established that this site is dedicated to the eradication of Zionism, as is so succinctly expressed here: “Some day we will dance on Zionism’s grave.” … ||

      And rightly so. All forms of supremacism – including Jewish supremacism – should be eradicated. They are incompatible with justice, accountability and equality.

      || … But this site is also dedicated to assimilation, as in the disappearance of Jewishness or Jewish culture. … ||

      Assimilation won’t result in the disappearance of Jewishness or Jewish culture as long as people wish to:
      – remain Jewish; and
      – keep Jewish culture alive.

      || … Is there any aspect of Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture, Jewish continuity that he supports? It seems not. ||

      So what? He’s busy supporting justice, accountability and equality. You and similarly-minded people can support Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture and Jewish continuity.

      And if (when?) you and similarly-minded people stop supporting Judaism, Jewishness, Jewish culture and Jewish continuity, those things will naturally cease to exist.

      There’s nothing wrong with that, and the possibility of their disappearance doesn’t justify the existence of a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 19, 2016, 4:28 pm

        Actually, I know of only one sure-fire way to even give Jewish continuity a fighting chance. We do this by marrying other Jews, having children and encouraging them to embrace the Jewish religion. It can be done.
        You ever think about trying that, “Yonah”? Probably work a whole lot better than projection vomiting at Phil Weiss.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 19, 2016, 6:36 pm

        I know of only one sure-fire way to even give Jewish continuity a fighting chance. We do this by marrying other Jews, having children and encouraging them to embrace the Jewish religion. It can be done.

        It is being done, Mooser. By Zionists –anyone else would be too worried by the huge risk of Zionist inbreeding.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 20, 2016, 1:18 pm

        “anyone else would be too worried by the huge risk of Zionist inbreeding.”

        Jeez, maybe I just didn’t want a girl just like the girl who married dear old Dad? Is that all that unusual? Who wants an epidermis complex?
        Besides, there’s a lot to be said for ‘hybrid vigor’. Even gas-powered cars are out-marrying electric motors. You wouldn’t think a 1.3 liter L-4 could exhibit a lot of burning passion for a series-wound DC motor but love’s internal combustion was plain once they clutched each other.
        The story has a tragic ending, tho. The cold-start enrichment sensor got stuck, and and the poor gas motor choked to death.

  10. Steve Grover
    Steve Grover
    May 18, 2016, 7:33 pm

    When I read this kind of stuff I wonder why any Synagogue other than Brant Rosen’s Chicago Tzedek would let Weiss in. Then I become cognizant how insignificant Weiss and MW are and I shouldn’t care if they let him in or not.

    • talknic
      talknic
      May 18, 2016, 8:23 pm

      @ Steve Grover May 18, 2016, 7:33 pm

      ” Then I become cognizant how insignificant Weiss and MW are and I shouldn’t care if they let him in or not.”

      Uh huh. Not cognizant enough to know that ‘should’ means you do care enough to be here blabbering away in-cognizantly.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 8:43 pm

      “When I read this kind of stuff I wonder why any Synagogue other than Brant Rosen’s Chicago Tzedek would let Weiss in”

      Probably because not everybody was wearing their “Je ne suis pas Phil Weiss” buttons.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 18, 2016, 8:55 pm

      “I wonder why any Synagogue other than Brant Rosen’s Chicago Tzedek would let Weiss in.”

      You are right, Steve! That’s the problem, we just don’t keep enough people out of our Synagogues. We’ve got to be selective.

      • James North
        James North
        May 18, 2016, 9:32 pm

        Moose: Will you swear on a Torah that “Grober” actually exists and is not a sock-puppet you invented?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 19, 2016, 1:20 am

        “Moose: Will you swear on a Torah that “Grober” actually exists and is not a sock-puppet you invented?”

        You’ve got me, North. I see your point. Nope, I couldn’t swear to it. I don’t believe he exists, myself. You know what they say: Az tzvei zuggen shiker, leigst zich der driter shloffen”

        And my wife has told me I can be a real somnambulist sometimes.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      May 21, 2016, 8:17 pm

      The coinage “we will dance on zionism’s grave” is more than just succinct. It is negative bordering on hateful. It may play well to the choir, but…

      • annie
        annie
        May 21, 2016, 9:15 pm

        It is negative bordering on hateful.

        only if you’re a zionist. it’s a positive statement for those who honor and respect equality and justice.

        zionism is an ideology, so the idea of dancing on its grave is symbolic and not violent. although of course i am sure there will be a lot of dancing. very sweet happy dancing, not hateful at all.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 21, 2016, 9:17 pm

        ” It may play well to the choir, but…”

        “Yonah” who are you trying to impress with this “to the choir” stuff?
        Synagogues don’t usually have choirs.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 21, 2016, 9:41 pm

        || yonah fredman: The coinage “we will dance on zionism’s grave” is more than just succinct. It is negative bordering on hateful. It may play well to the choir, but… ||

        The coinage “we will dance on anti-Semitism’s grave” is more than just succinct. It is negative bordering on hateful. It may play well to the choir, but…

        Zio-supremacism and anti-Semitism – and all other forms of injustice and immorality – deserve to be in graves upon which people can dance.

        || Annie Robbins: It is negative bordering on hateful.

        only if you’re a zionist. it’s a positive statement for those who honor and respect equality and justice. … ||

        Bingo.

  11. Sycamores
    Sycamores
    May 19, 2016, 7:26 am

    out of curiosity did Harris or Sharansky mention anything about donations to tax deductible Israeli charities?
    the whole speech seems like a shake down.
    the wealthy aging American Jews in the audience know they are assimilated to some degree or other. to be lecture about assimilation (for however long the speech went on for) must have made them very uncomfortable.

    criticizing American Jews for assimilating and then asking them to be the third front on the campuses against the BDS. this is no ordinary chutzpah, this is chutzpah on steroids -Schutzpah.

  12. Edward Q
    Edward Q
    May 19, 2016, 8:56 am

    The pattern with immigrants is that they usually look around for a downtrodden minority to step on as a way to elevate their status in the new society. So it is for Sharansky and I imagine other immigrants to Israel.

  13. Bandolero
    Bandolero
    May 19, 2016, 12:02 pm

    I wonder whether Sharansky thought through what he told the audience.

    “calling on rich American Jews to stop giving money to universities where the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is active”

    I think it could be a good thing if rich American jews – and Israel firsters – would stop giving money to universities where the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement is active. Money corrupts.

    And it would represent a great chance for the Koch brothers and their networks to step in instead. As it currently stands, the Kochs want to spend more on education. And they just did invite foreign policy experts to of their events whom the Israel lobby hates.

    Having the Kochs and their friends step in financing universities when rich American jews step out might present a chance for universities getting free from Zionist power structures at top.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      May 19, 2016, 12:18 pm

      “Having the Kochs and their friends step in financing universities when rich American jews step out might present a chance for universities getting free from Zionist power structures at top.”

      Maybe we should just replace “rich American Jews” with Saudi sheikhs, who already use their money to finance a whitewashing of their country, and the shortcomings of other Arab societies, at universities across the United States.

      • talknic
        talknic
        May 19, 2016, 2:20 pm

        @ hophmi May 19, 2016, 12:18 pm

        “Maybe we should just replace “rich American Jews” with Saudi sheikhs, who already use their money to finance a whitewashing of their country, and the shortcomings of other Arab societies, at universities across the United States”

        Are they also trying to divert attention away from discussing their purposeful and illegal colonizing of other folks territories?

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        May 19, 2016, 3:27 pm

        hophmi

        Yes, sure, it would be a good thing. Having Saudi Sheikhs replace rich Amercian jews to finance American education would not make a difference politically, since the Saudis and Israel work hand in glove politically and financially.

        https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/15/did-money-seal-israeli-saudi-alliance/

        But there would be one big positive effect to this: if the Saudis were financing American universities directly instead of giving their petro dollars first to rich Zionists to make them kosher, resistance against the Saudi Zionist axis of racists would surely be growing faster on campus and elsewhere.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        May 21, 2016, 8:20 pm

        Koch Bros included among the experts on foreign policy the likes of Walt & Merarsheimer and Chas Freeman. My gosh, the realist school is getting some recognition among the PTB! What will happen to America?

  14. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    May 19, 2016, 11:45 pm

    I heard Sharansky speak at the 92nd street Y about 28 years ago, just a few years after his release from the Soviet Union and when the first intifada was barely half a year old. Like most Russian refuseniks his attitude towards “the situation” reflected the nationalism that he had nurtured as a rebellion against the conformist Soviet system that had tried to stifle all Jewish identity. Russian Jews who left Russia (or the Russian empire) 120 years ago were of the left as a reaction to the conservatism of the monarchy which repressed them. Russian Jews who left Russia in the last 50 years are of the right as a reaction against the leftism of the soviet system that repressed them.

    • Brewer
      Brewer
      May 20, 2016, 6:00 pm

      It has long been a puzzlement to me why dissident Jews in the Soviet Union did not/do not take up Stalin’s invitation to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast:
      http://russiatrek.org/jewish-autonomous-oblast

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      May 21, 2016, 10:19 am

      “…Like most Russian refuseniks his attitude towards “the situation” reflected the nationalism that he had nurtured as a rebellion against the conformist Soviet system…”

      That’s an explanation but hardly an excuse. He has lived in Israel long enough to see the inequalities and human rights violations. The fact that he does not highlight them shows that he was never a “human rights” activist but another Jewish supremacist.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 21, 2016, 1:15 pm

      “I heard Sharansky speak at the 92nd street Y about 28 years ago,”

      And remember every word, like it was yesterday.

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