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Etaf Abdel-Aal and her five grandchildren could not find a better place to sit for lunch than under a fruitless olive tree to have some Somaqeyya, a traditional dish in Gaza. They just 500 meters away from the fence dividing Israel and the Gaza Strip where thousands of angry youths were protesting during the second bloody Friday of the Great March of Return.

By late evening, the Gaza Health Ministry reported at least ten had been killed and more than 1070 injured by Israeli fire, a week after 18 Palestinians were killed at a similar rally.

Despite thick, acrid black smoke emitted from dozens of burning tires and cross by winds to the other side of the fence, Etaf, 58, decided to move the lunch party to Malaka’s border area. It is the closest point to her family’s original village, al-Muharraqa, 5 kilometers east on the other side of the fence.

“My father says that we had a big farm called the ‘Well’, which was full of olive and fig trees before the Nakba, so being here with my grandchildren gives me a sense of nostalgia. My heartbeat has been accelerated since I sat here at 8:00 a.m.” Etaf, a grandmother of 23 grandchildren, told Mondoweiss while holding two rusty keys of the farm’s gate and her father’s house in al-Muharraqa.

“Grandma promised she would tell us the story about ‘The Beautiful Salma and the Monster’ who lived in al-Muharraqa, after lunch.” Mohammed, 4, told me. He and his sister Rital, 6, were there with cousins from three uncles who were killed in an Israeli bomb attack on a Gaza police station in 2009.

Etaf Abdel-Aal and five grandchildren (Photo: Ahmad Kabariti)

Meanwhile, the whistling of tear gas bombs was heard almost every moment during the 10-hour-long protest. On the other side of the fence, the soldiers perched on the sandy hills along with the drones kept firing dozens of such bombs, while young men rushed to bury them, chanting: “The Palestinians will go to paradise, and the Israelis will go to hell!”

Young Palestinians had been collecting thousands of old tires for a week in the lead up to the peaceful protest which focused on five areas along the eastern border of Gaza. Today they were lucky when the hot winds moved the burning fumes towards the soldiers in an attempt to blur the soldiers’ vision, even though as the Jerusalem Post reported, soldiers brought in a huge fan to disperse the smoke.

If there was a moment of calm it was usually broken by angry cheers and yelling and waving to an ambulance crew to rescue the wounded. There was joyful chanting whenever the overloaded tire cart arrived to the area.

Those tire were gathered in a large hole to burn them batch by batch.

Protesters among the tires during the second Friday of the Great March of Return in Gaza. (Photo: Ahmad Kabariti)

Not far from the two-meter-deep collection of tires, Sherin Nasrallah, 30, was leaning on a tire as her male colleagues were trying to prevent her from getting closer to the soldiers. She angrily screamed back at them: “It is not your damned business! Let me go!”

Sherin, a Fatah activist,wanted to do more than she did last Friday, when she and her friends approached the fence and planted a Palestinian flag.

“At that moment, soldiers fired a tear gas bomb at us, and I spent the whole night in the hospital due to suffocation. So, today, I would burn this tire to burn those Israelis as they burned upon our hearts for 70 years. Today I want to be a martyr.”

Sheren Nasrallah (Photo: Ahmad Kabariti)

The young woman, says that she came here under her own steam. “I don’t suffer any social problems. Yesterday I dreamed that I was sleeping in a white coffin amid white roses. This homeland deserves more than our bodies, and I must return to Beersheba, even spiritually,” She said while was knocking on her tire and trying to ignore her colleagues.

The scene east of Khan Yunis, 35 kilometers from Gaza City, was not so different. Smoke and heat were not obstacles to the angry mass of protesters who sometimes poured water on their heads in preparation for a new round of burning tires.

The demonstration was the second of six planned protests organized by a wide group of civil society organizations and political parties. The rallies are scheduled to continue in a massive effort to demand the Palestinian right of return until May 15, the eve of the date commemorating Israel’s establishment 70 years ago, which Palestinians call the Nakba, or catastrophe.

The Israeli Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, Major General Yoav Mordechai, sent a letter to the head of the World Health Organization on Wednesday, urging the body to take a stand against the “ecological disaster” due to the tire smoke.

 

Mahmoud Kurdish (Photo: Ahmad Kabariti)

Mahmoud Kurdiah, 22, commented on Mordechai’s complaint by saying the Palestinians would also file a complaint that Israel had been firing grenades stuffed with vanilla and Nutella for the last decade. “This is mad, the whole world saw the content of their bombs that burned our bodies, they have to play a more convincing game”.

“The Israelis are afraid of our unity. All the Palestinian parties are working together on this peaceful symbol”. Said Mahmoud, who wrapped in a Palestinian Keffiyeh.

Hamas announced on Thursday it would pay $3,000 to the family of anyone killed in the ongoing Gaza border riots, $500 to Palestinians critically wounded and $200 to those who sustain more minor injuries.

In a statement, the group said it would support the “family of each martyr” with $3,000, while those seriously wounded would receive $500.

The payments were being provided “in light of the difficult economic conditions experienced by our people in the Gaza Strip as a result of the continued Israeli siege.”

In the afternoon, the 26-year-old Mohammed Abu Eida was just arrived at the back of the demonstrations in Khan Younis, holding a pillow to place his right foot which he injured by an explosive bullet during clashes here three months ago.

“I do not care about pain.” Mohammed said. “I sit here to tell them that I will go back to Jaffa with my family. I do not care about the gas bombs and the live fire. These weeks of anger will not calm down even for 100 years.” Mohammed said.

“My grandfather told me that we should return to our land, and we have a map and old documents proving that,” he said. Mohammed’s parents were killed in a helicopter bombardment of their home 10 years ago in the Sabra neighborhood east of the city.

Mohammed Abu Eida (Photo: Ahmad Kabariti)

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  1. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    April 7, 2018, 10:56 am

    These people in Gaza really have no brains.
    Black smoke from the tyres, set alight by people is apparently 13 000 times more toxic than emissions from a coal-fired power plant, according to research done by the US Environmental Protection Agency.
    The liquids and solids left behind after the tyres have been burnt can pollute the soil, surface water and ground water, and it’s possible that the pollutants can settle on pasture, food crops and in water, and accumulate in animal tissues, including meat, fish and eggs.
    As though the plight of the people in Gaza is not bad enough as it is.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 7, 2018, 12:34 pm

      “Black smoke from the tyres…”

      Yeah, I’ve heard burning tires can give you lead poisoning.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        April 7, 2018, 2:00 pm

        Yeah but an engineered collapse of the sewage system will kill you faster.
        Only a mother could love Israel

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      April 7, 2018, 12:51 pm

      Being human they do have brains, but they are not in a mood to be sensible. It is more important to them to express the anger they feel at the injustice inflicted on them by people like you.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 7, 2018, 1:00 pm

      “The liquids and solids left behind…”

      Israeli tank rounds and drone missiles use only an explosive mixture of milk and honey.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 7, 2018, 4:07 pm

        || Mooser: … Israeli tank rounds and drone missiles use only an explosive mixture of milk and honey. ||

        The “world’s most moral” munitions.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 8, 2018, 2:31 pm

        “The “world’s most moral” munitions.”

        ‘After the Holocaust, everything is permissables to us.’

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      April 7, 2018, 2:01 pm

      Israel uses depleted uranium, Mayhem. Kosher according to the IDF rabbis.

    • eljay
      eljay
      April 7, 2018, 4:08 pm

      || Mayhem: … As though the plight of the people in Gaza is not bad enough as it is. ||

      You’re absolutely right: The plight of the people in Gaza is bad enough. Thanks, “Jewish State”.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      April 8, 2018, 12:40 am

      And those keys. The stupidest looking fake keys ever seen. You can probably buy them for fifty cents at any Arab market in Gaza, Jerusalem, or Jordan. It’s not like all the Arab houses in Israel from the twentieth century had medieval lock sets.
      . But oh, you know, there is a lull in the Syrian conflict and Palestinian Arabs are trying to convince the idiots that they have some right to israel again. General world interest is still flagging and incidents like this are the Hamas only desperation ploy to wreak havoc on their seemingly willing victims.
      . All the pussycats here should try spending a few weeks getting supplies to besieged Kurds. Of course, y’all probably can’t stand the ancient Kurdish people. They be older then the Jews and that makes them sht in many here’s opinions I suspect

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      April 8, 2018, 9:14 am

      Call it soiling your nest, or infantile potty smashing. Take your pick.

      And BTW, how much of the misery that has befallen Gazans is self-induced? Who is asking people that live off of UN subsidies to raise 5 or 6 kids in the ‘most densely populated place on the planet’.

      I’ll say what the Mondweiss cult can’t admit, namely, that Hamas has badly mismanaged Gaza these 10 years.
      Remember, there was a time not so long ago when there was no fence, no embargo around Gaza, and Gaza sent workers into Israel in order to earn a living.
      After Israel unilaterally quit Gaza in 2005, Hamas had the opportunity to coexist with Israel, but they chose to destroy the agricultural hot houses Israel had left behind intact, and than began lobbing rockets into Israel.

      If I was 17 years old, and I had five brothers, and no job and no future, I’d be pissed too.
      I might even join Hamas in order to get a shiny weapon and a pay check.
      Status, with having to work for it!

      Hamas, the ultimate ‘poverty pimps’.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      April 9, 2018, 11:40 am

      @Mayhem

      “These people in Gaza really have no brains.”

      Just curious.

      Perchance, were you one of the Zionist fascists sitting on the bleachers watching and cheering on the IDF as they shot and killed defenseless Palestinians demonstrating in support of their human rights inside the Gaza Strip?

      https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Outdoor-Cinema-Photo-Shows-Israelis-Cheering-as-Palestinians-Killed-at-Gaza-Border-20180408-0009.html

      “‘Outdoor Cinema’: Photo Shows Israelis Cheering as Palestinians Killed at Gaza Border”

      telesur, April 9/18

      EXCERPTS:

      “In two Friday protests the past weeks, at least 29 unarmed Palestinians were killed by Israeli live ammunition while more than 1,000 others were injured.

      “An image showing a group of young Israelis, sitting by the Gaza border, cheering and applauding the Israeli authorities firing ammunition, bombs at Palestinians, as though they were at an ‘outdoor cinema,’ has drawn widespread condemnation from human rights groups and social media users.

      “An Israeli Channel 2 television news journalist, Nir Dvori, posted the photo Friday, showing the barbaric scene of seven Israelis smiling and waving at the cameras as they sat on an observation tower in Nahal Oz, outside the fenced-off Gaza strip overlooking Palestinians suffering gruesome attacks.”

      “According to the Daily Sabah, nearly 500 Palestinians were injured Friday, while 33 suffered grave injuries as a result of live fire and rubber-coated steel bullets in the second mass border protest in a week. Many Palestinians suffered tear gas inhalation.

      “During the latest protest, at least 9 Palestinians were killed, and 1,070 others were injured during clashes with Israeli forces, and at least 5 are in serious condition.

      “The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Liz Throssell condemned the brutal killings of Palestinians by the Israeli military and has called for an independent investigation to hold those responsible for the killings accountable.

      “‘Given the deplorable killing of 16 people and the injuring of reportedly more than 1,000 others during protests in Gaza, mostly on 30 March, we are gravely concerned that further violence could occur during demonstrations today and in the coming weeks,’ Throssel said in a statement.

      “Further adding, the Israeli authorities have violated the international human rights law in taking up arms against peaceful protesters.

      “‘We remind Israel of its obligations to ensure that excessive force is not employed against protestors and that in the context of a military occupation, as is the case in Gaza, the unjustified and unlawful recourse to firearms by law enforcement resulting in death may amount to a wilful killing, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention,'” Throssel said in a statement.”

    • YoniFalic
      YoniFalic
      April 10, 2018, 2:51 am

      Why do the Gazans have no brains? For Mayhem apparently because they don’t accept that racist genocidal “Jewish” settler colonist invaders should be able to get away with stealing from the goyim.

      The spirit of my grandfather is still happily ensconced among those that cling to Jewish identity.

      I wrote in Jerusalem at a breaking point (October 5, 2015):

      From the standpoint of greedy robbers, Palestine was just low hanging fruit at the end of the 19th and early 20th century. (My grandfather definitely believed that a Jew should get to keep anything stolen fair and square from a goy. So much for reforming Jews.)

  2. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 7, 2018, 4:18 pm

    The people of Gaza are unstoppable. All Israel has to offer is nihilism. Gaza has positive energy. Israel has a black hole.

  3. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 8, 2018, 8:44 am

    Maybe one of you anti-Zionist savants can explain to me how the great grandchildren of original refugees have a ‘right of return’?

    • amigo
      amigo
      April 8, 2018, 9:07 am

      No problem jokedaw.as soon as you can explain to us how a bunch of european Jews whose great.great.great.great.great.great.great.great grandfather might have been Jewish can have a right of return or make aliyah to a place they have never been.

      Put a sock in it jokedaw.you are an embarassment to decent clear thinking Jewish.

      • JosephA
        JosephA
        April 8, 2018, 10:46 am

        Man, the Zionist trolls are really on the offensive today! I guess it’s time to put the Propaganda Machine into overdrive now that more innocent, unarmed indigenous Palestinians are being shot at while attempting to march outside of the “native Israeli reservation” and back onto their ancestral homeland.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 8, 2018, 10:51 am

        @JoeA

        Jews are the indigenous people, not the Arab invaders, who came from Arabia.

      • catalan
        catalan
        April 8, 2018, 11:01 am

        “and back onto their ancestral homeland.”
        I wonder what my “ancestral” land is – Spain, Greece, Turkey, Macedonia, north Africa? What qualifies a place to be ancestral? That I had ancestors living somewhere, under a certain government? So then there are two options – we all have the same ancestors, with a specific woman being our primordial mother – in this case any of us has the whole earth as ancestral land; or, less politically correct, but quite plausible, we originate from several different species of Homo. In that case, some of us may not have direct “cousins” in, say China (although we might still have common non hominid ancestors.)
        This ancestral land business just leads to all sorts of dead ends. My sons best friend is a Native American girl. Is she somehow more “rooted” into these lands than my son of the Spanish, Polish, and who knows what else background?

      • April 8, 2018, 11:34 am

        JosephA – isnt it amazing how desperate these Zionist stooges have become – some I choose to ignore because their comments are so ridiculous why waste the time – like Mayhem who posted about the toxicity of burning tires – what a complete tool.

        The avalanche of bad press against Israel over their latest atrocity in Gaza is exactly what they didn’t need now – so many more people have just joined the Palestinian cause including Jews.

        Jackduh, Mayhem, DaBunked, and the other stooges all scrambling to say anything to deflect from or obscure the truth. Vile racists who can’t escape their love for apartheid Israel.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 8, 2018, 12:15 pm

        || Jackdaw: … Jews are the indigenous people, not the Arab invaders, who came from Arabia. ||

        Geographic Palestinians – non-Jews and Jews alike – were the indigenous people of geographic Palestine. The religion-based identity of Jewish does not make one a geographic Palestinian.

      • April 8, 2018, 12:24 pm

        Jackduh – Jews are the indigenous people, not the Arab invaders, who came from Arabia.

        Yes Arabs did invade the holy land. But you say nothing of the indigenous population that has lived there for thousands of years – now called the Palestinians.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/narratives-palestinian-dispossession/#comment-905474

        Thx Misterioso – first Boris now Jackduh (assuming they are different people) – I’ve concluded that racists/zionists are just not that intelligent making it difficult to educate them. Unfortunately, the burden is on us to try for humanity’s sake.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        April 8, 2018, 12:45 pm

        @jackdaw sorry but 2 thousand years away your no longer indigenous. the palestinians are indigenous your just a conqueroring terrorist. and arabs expanded as much by cultural assimilation as conquest your delusions based your desire to defend your thug state are not fact

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        April 8, 2018, 4:08 pm

        @amigo as soon as you can explain to us how a bunch of european Jews …

        That is too easy. First of all it is not a “right of return”, at least not in the same sense the one the Palestinians invented. Anyone emigrating or making aliyah to Israel does so within the entirely legal immigration policy of the State of Israel. Sovereign states have an unassailable right to define their own immigration policies, and should Palestine ever become one, they also will have that right.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 8, 2018, 6:05 pm

        || mon donut: … Anyone emigrating or making aliyah to Israel does so within the entirely legal immigration policy of the State of Israel. … ||

        Religion-supremacist immigration rules for a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        April 8, 2018, 6:49 pm

        @eljay Religion-supremacist immigration rules for a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

        Nonetheless, as legal emigrants they have an infinitely more valid right than anyone claiming a non-existent right of return.

      • amigo
        amigo
        April 8, 2018, 7:06 pm

        “Sovereign states have an unassailable right to define their own immigration policies, ” mondonut

        Sovereign States have defined Borders.As Israel does not have a map , how can it be sovereign.

        Do you have a map you can share with the folks here.We are all anxious to see what territory Israel is sovereign over.

        I,ll wait.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        April 8, 2018, 11:53 pm

        @amigo “As Israel does not have a map , how can it be sovereign.”

        I thought you wanted to know the difference between the Palestinian claim to a RoR and an actual immigration policy? Do you also not believe that Israel is a sovereign state? Really?

        Is that your defense of the non-existent RoR? Israel has disputed territory so therefore they are not sovereign, so therefore they cannot have an immigration policy, so therefore the Palestinians have a right to enter? That is too funny.

        http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israel-Size-and-Dimension.aspx

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 9, 2018, 1:06 am

        “Jews are the indigenous people,”

        And how does that explain “how a bunch of european Jews whose great.great.great.great.great.great.great.great grandfather might have been Jewish can have a right of return or make aliyah to a place they have never been”?

        Though, despite his execrable grammar, I agree with pjdude that, after two thousand years, it is ridiculous to think of European Jews as being indigenous to Palestine in any meaningful sense.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 9, 2018, 1:09 am

        mondonut, the European Jewish invaders were claiming a moral right (on the basis of ancestry and culture) to live in Palestine before the state of Israel came into being and created its immigration laws.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 9, 2018, 7:01 am

        The Nut

        Do you also not believe that Israel is a sovereign state? Really?

        Really, the ignorance and illogic of these Zionists is becoming too much.

        Of course sovereignty over all of Palestine belongs exclusively to the Palestinian population as of before the Zionist colonial invasion, and heirs and assigns. Period.

        What a stupid question. Any barbarians squatting on the territory can of course enforce criminal action the way I could invade Monde Nut’s home with a gun and command him –that is not sovereignty.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 9, 2018, 9:34 am

        || mon donut: @eljay Religion-supremacist immigration rules for a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

        Nonetheless, as legal emigrants they have an infinitely more valid right than anyone claiming a non-existent right of return. ||

        A refugee’s right to return to his homeland is more valid and moral than any religion-based “Law of Return” to someone else’s homeland can ever hope to be.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        April 9, 2018, 11:45 am

        @amigo

        Well and truly stated. To be “anti-Zionist” is to be anti-fascist.
        Zionism and its spawn, the entity known as “Israel,” are headed for history’s dumpster.

    • eljay
      eljay
      April 8, 2018, 12:20 pm

      || Jackdaw: Maybe one of you anti-Zionist savants can explain to me how the great grandchildren of original refugees have a ‘right of return’? ||

      The great grandchildren of original refugees from geographic Palestine have an infinitely more valid right to return to their homes and lands than do people the world over who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish and whose ties to the region are more tenuous or entirely non-existent.

  4. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 8, 2018, 12:45 pm

    @Chunter

    The avalanche has fallen on Hamas, not Israel.

    Hamas has to help rehabilitate 500 young men who are recovering from gunshot wounds to the legs.

    I bet when the cacophony has died down a good number of these gunshot victims are going to ask, ‘What was it for?’ ‘Why do I have to limp for the rest of my life when Sinjar and his deputies get driven around Gaza in BMWs?’

    • April 14, 2018, 4:47 pm

      Jackduh – is that what you would have asked the many brave souls who fought against and were subject to the atrocities committed by the Nazi nut jobs of WW2?

      People fighting for the most noble of causes, HUMAN RIGHTS, will tell you that it was and is worth it. Only shameless vulgar racists like yourself who enjoy the benefits of human rights that were hard won would ask such a riduculous question.

      Let me ask you this – is the constant abuse you take for being a shameless vulgar racist apologist for an apartheid state worth it? What if the loss of your job or legs or life was the price? Me thinks Jackduh would crawl under his bed sucking his thumb asking for his mommy instead of facing snipers and drones.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 14, 2018, 7:14 pm

        “Let me ask you this – is the constant abuse you take for being a shameless vulgar racist apologist for an apartheid state worth it?”

        Are you kidding? Why the abuse “Jackdaw” gets here probably keeps him out of a lot of trouble! Remember, if he didn’t have Mondo, he would have to talk to Israelis about these things. Hey may get charged with being a “vulgar racist apologist”, but he won’t get charged with ‘assault and battery’.

  5. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 8, 2018, 1:59 pm

    An indigenous people, are those people who can be identified with a specific region, when no other people can claim to be predecessors.

    The day that Canaanites or Amalakites appear, and prove their bona fides, than the Jews will no longer be indigenous to the region.

    Until then, go fly a kite.

    • John O
      John O
      April 8, 2018, 3:35 pm

      @Pheasant: “… when no other people can claim to be predecessors.”

      Let’s ignore the fact that human remains tens of thousands of years old have been found in Israel, including Neanderthalites.

      By your reasoning, in the British Isles, the Welsh, Irish and Scots can claim precedence over the English and are fully entitled to drive them back to mainland Europe. But, strangely, they do not do so. OK, it would be a tall order militarily to push the English out, but mainly the Celts do not do it because they are free to live anywhere they like in the British Isles and are subject to the same laws as everyone else.

      In addition, advances in archaeology, genetic science and historical knowledge are constantly being made. Those pesky Canaanites may yet emerge to trump your race card.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 8, 2018, 3:55 pm

        If it’s any comfort to them, the Canaanites live on in religious ideas the Hebrews adopted.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 9, 2018, 12:35 am

        Having a valid ‘claim’, and being a region’s indigenous people are two different things; the former being a legal question and the latter being an anthropological question.

        The Jews are the indigenous people, and their claim had been successfully adjudicated by the League of Nations in the 1920’s. That same body heard the claims of the Arab people as well, and assigned to them, the Arab States of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 9, 2018, 1:33 pm

        “and their claim had been successfully adjudicated by the League of Nations in the 1920’s.”

        So go complain to the “League of Nations”. Or you could go flying down to Remo, where there’s rhythm and rhyme.

    • eljay
      eljay
      April 8, 2018, 3:39 pm

      || Jackdaw: An indigenous people, are those people who can be identified with a specific region … ||

      Like Palestinians can be identified with the very real geographic Palestine, but Jews cannot be identified with the very non-existent geographic region of Jewish. Thank you for that most excellent clarification.

      (This is where you tell me all about how all Jews come from Judea – except for when they don’t – and how every other person throughout history who is also from Judea but who…
      – has not undergone a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      – is not descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism,
      …is not Jewish.)

      || … go fly a kite. ||

      Please do. Long and hard.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 8, 2018, 4:55 pm

        Many, not all, Palestinians are descended from Arabian tribes.
        Some Palestinians have roots in Egypt, Algeria, Syria and Bosnia.
        Some Palestinians have Jewish roots.

        Jews can be identified with region by way of ancient archeological evidence. Canaanites as well, but there are no identifiable Canaanites alive today with claims.

        Long and hard.
        Jealous?

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 8, 2018, 6:03 pm

        || Jackdaw: Many, not all, Palestinians are descended from Arabian tribes.
        Some Palestinians have roots in Egypt, Algeria, Syria and Bosnia.
        Some Palestinians have Jewish roots.

        Jews can be identified with region by way of ancient archeological evidence. … ||

        So many words, not one of which contradicts or invalidates my point. Once again, I thank you.

        || … Long and hard.
        Jealous? ||

        Of you? Not likely! But it’s nice to see that you have a sense of humour…  :-)

    • pjdude
      pjdude
      April 8, 2018, 4:59 pm

      lack of predecessors is irrelevant. but the fact your ignorant of that explains a lot i mean the sorbs werent the first people in lusatia but they are as recognized as being indigenous and nobody would argue any of the celtic people are despite being there first. the problem with the jewish claim to palestine is they argue only they have any connection to their and everyone else is a liar.

      also your wrong dna shows a strong overlap of jewish and and palestinian dna. best guess is the palestinians are decendents of the hebrews and other ancient levantine peoples who converted to christianity and islam and were arabized. denying the palestinian claim to palestine means deny the jewish claim to palestine.

      • JosephA
        JosephA
        April 8, 2018, 7:37 pm

        Obviously the zionists missed the memo on Shlomo Sand’s scholarship.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      April 9, 2018, 11:53 am

      @jackdaw

      You should make a trip to northern Europe and seek out your relatives of Slavic origin.

      REALITY:
      http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
      Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087

      “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”

      “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”

      Furthermore:
      “The non-Levantine origin of AJs [Ashkenazi Jews] is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans.”

      “Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) and rule out an ancient Levantine origin for AJs, which is predominant among modern-day Levantine populations (e.g., Bedouins and Palestinians). This is not surprising since Jews differed in cultural practices and norms (Sand, 2011) and tended to adopt local customs (Falk, 2006). Very little Palestinian Jewish culture survived outside of Palestine (Sand, 2009). For example, the folklore and folkways of the Jews in northern Europe is distinctly pre-Christian German (Patai, 1983) and Slavic in origin, which disappeared among the latter (Wexler, 1993, 2012).”

  6. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 9, 2018, 12:41 am

    @JokeA

    How can your cult deconstruct the Jew and invent the Palestinian at the same time?

    • amigo
      amigo
      April 9, 2018, 10:49 am

      “How can your cult deconstruct the Jew and invent the Palestinian at the same time?” jokedaw

      Your cult —Zionism has already deconstructed Judaism and with it , the Jew.

      Our help is not needed.

      Keep up the good work jokedaw.

      Almost forgot jokedaw , any luck on finding that map.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      April 9, 2018, 3:10 pm

      @Jackdaw

      “…and invent the Palestinian at the same time?”

      Oh no, not that long since debunked canard.

      To wit:
      The definition of “Palestinian” in the Oxford English: Adjective: “relating to Palestine or its peoples.” Noun: “A member of the native Arab population of the region of Palestine.” Native Arab = Indigenous people.

      The region between the Jordan River and the Med. Sea was referred to as “Palestine” by the Greek historian Herodotus (“the father of history”) during the 5th century BCE.

      100 years later, in the mid-4th Century BCE, Aristotle referred to Palestine while discussing the Dead Sea in his Meteorology. “Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine….”

      Jewish historian Josephus’s (c.37-100 CE) The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews contains many references to both “Palestine” and “Palestinians.”

      Contemporaries of Jesus also routinely referred to Palestine as “Palestine.” In the first decade of the 1st Century, the Roman poet Ovid mentioned Palestine in both his famed mythological poem Metamorphoses and his erotic elegy The Art of Love. He also wrote of “the waters of Palestine” in his calendrical poem Fasti. Around the same time, another Latin poet, Tibullus wrote of “the crowded cities of Palestine” in the section “Messalla’s Triumph” in his poem Delia.

      The Zionist claim that the Roman emperor Hadrian officially changed the name of the region to “Syria Palaestina” or simply “Palestine,” in 135 CE is contradicted by the fact that by then, the term “Palestine” had already been in use for over 600 years.

      When the Muslim Arabs arrived in Palestine in the 7th century CE (and liberated its Jewish population from Byzantine oppression), they retained the administrative organization of the territory of Palestine as it had been under the Romans and later, the Byzantines. They referred to the territory as Filastin (no “P” in Arabic.)

      To quote the opening sentence of the section entitled “Filastin” that appears in the book “Dictionary of the Lands,” written by geographer Yaqut ibn Abdullah al-Hamawi in 1225: “Filastin: It is the last one of the regions in the direction of Egypt. Its most famous cities are Ashkelon, Ramle, Gaza, Arsuf, Caesaria, Nablus, Jericho, Jaffa and Beit Guvrin.”

      By about 1300 CE there were virtually no Jews in Palestine, which was a recognized geographical concept using coinage with “Filistin” written on them. There were diaries of Palestinian travelers who said they missed “Palestine” and a distinctive Palestinian dialect of Arabic had evolved. From 1300 on, the vast majority of people who lived in Palestine were Christians and Muslims.

      In 1603, Shakespeare wrote in his play Othello: “Emilia: I know a lady in Venice would have walked barefoot to Palestine for a touch of his nether lip.” (Act IV, Scene iii.)

      In 1863, The Religious Tract Society of London published its “Pictorial Journey Through the Holy Land; or Scenes of Palestine.” In this work Beersheba is described as the southern limit of Palestine. Beersheba lies south-east of Gaza on the northern edge of the Negev desert. Palestine is described as “south of Lebanon.”

      European tourist books of the nineteenth century refer to “Palestine,” as did Theodor Herzl in his correspondence and the 1917 Balfour Declaration as well as the 1922 Class A League of Nations British Mandate.

      To quote from the Winston Churchill Memorandum (1 July 1922) regarding the League of Nations Class A British Mandate: “[T]he status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status.”

  7. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 10, 2018, 2:42 am

    Herodotus and Aristotle were Greeks, who never stepped foot in Eretz Yisroel.

    Did the Jews, the indigenous tribe, who lived there, and fought the Syrian-Greek and Roman invaders, call their land ‘Palestine’? I think not.

  8. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    April 10, 2018, 11:52 am

    Further correspondence with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,

    Sir,

    Since the peaceful demonstrations in Gaza began, on the 30th March, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, a total of 25 people have been killed and 2,901 people have been injured. (These are figures as of April 6. The number of dead and wounded has increased since)

    These casualties occurred during the mass demonstrations by unarmed Palestinians on the Gaza side of the perimeter fence with Israel.

    The Canadian government must demand that Israel immediately cease the savage attacks on unarmed Palestinians who are demanding rights which are theirs under International and Human Rights Law, Resolutions of the UN, and the Geneva Convention.

    The World Health Organization Special Situation Report occupied Palestinian territory, Gaza 6th April 2018 notes –

    “Immediate health priorities and unmet needs”, (among which , but not limited to) –

    59 essential drugs,

    128 medical disposables, and,

    5 essential laboratory reagents,

    These are urgently required by the hospitals in Gaza to meet the needs of multiple casualties caused by despicable Israeli violence.

    The Canadian Government should send medical supplies in response to the WHOs health priority needs mentioned above. (Note there are additional needed medical supplies in the report which I do not include for the sake of brevity. The Canadian government should respond to these other needs as well.)

    According to the Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, Israel is refusing to allow two young Palestinian men—who were seriously wounded by Israeli military gunfire on unarmed protesters during demonstrations in Gaza— to travel to the city of Ramallah in the occupied West Bank for urgent medical care.

    The Canadian government must demand that seriously wounded Palestinians be granted permission to travel outside of Gaza for urgent care unavailable in Gaza.

    The Canadian government must demand the criminal blockade of Gaza be lifted immediately. The Israeli torture and destruction of the people of Gaza must end.

    Mr. Trudeau. You claim Canadians share values with Israel.

    You may share the values Israel has displayed in the treatment of the imprisoned Palestinians in Gaza (and the Occupied Palestinian Territories),
    but I DO NOT, nor do most Canadians.

    This cruelty is an abomination, and the failure of the Canadian government to demand its end is shameful and in no way in the interest of Canada or Canadians.

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