Trending Topics:

‘It is a war against every part of Palestinian identity’: Israel destroys popular Gaza cultural center

Israel/Palestine
on 49 Comments

Dozens of neighbors of the Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science were seen leaning out of their windows this morning to listen to music they believed would not be played again. The cultural center’s building was completely destroyed by consecutive Israeli airstrikes, but Hazam Gusain, 18, led his twelve-man band on the center’s ruins. The band which had lost their headquarters, equipment and uniforms in the attack, carried their guitars, drums and digital pianos after they all connected their instruments to a small diesel generator.

For 15 minutes, the al-Anqaa (the Phoenix) band sang and played three national songs.  Some local residents who came down to the ‘concert’ to join in, while others watched from further away, clapping their hands to shake off the deep gloom of the preceding hours.

Hazam Husain performing with his band. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Hazam Husain performing with his band. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

On Thursday evening, at 18:00 Gaza time, 12 successive explosions were heard as Israeli warplanes flew over Gaza City, hitting the popular cultural center, one of the very few cultural outlets left for Gaza’s youth in the besieged enclave.

The five-story building held three theatres, offices for cultural associations, a library, and hosted an office for Gaza’s Egyptian community.

The Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science cultural center ruins (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

The Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science cultural center ruins (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Ayman Hashishu, 40, was an eyewitness at the scene and the owner of a car wash across from the center. He said that his wife, Amna, received a phone call from an Israeli officer warning her to evacuate their four-story building.

“God damn you, are you kidding me?” Amna replied to the caller in Arabic, her husband told Mondoweiss. Five minutes later the IDF phoned again, telling her “I am serious! You have five minutes more to get out; we will hit the cultural center.”

Those five minutes were not enough to move the line of just-washed vehicles away from the center. “All the cleaner staff hurried up to drive the clients’ cars far away to the adjacent street,” Hashishu explained. Soon, the station was completely destroyed due to the explosions.

Ayman and Amna Hashishu's destroyed car wash business. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Ayman and Amna Hashishu’s destroyed car wash business. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Going back to the band leader, who was humming a musical note that he said was from a memorial service for the American peace activist Rachel Corrie held at the center in March 2017. “Al-Mishal was a place of full of memories,” Hazem said. “It was a place of love, warm songs, and movies when sitting on its 350 burgundy seats and dozens of plays were performed on its stages.”

Theatre director Ali Abu Yassin, was preparing his first show “Bbret Benj” (Anesthetics Injection), a 70-minute drama that cynically addresses the problems of unemployment, lack of pure drinking water, power cuts and the closure of Gaza crossings. “The audience was waiting to watch it in third and fourth days of Eid al-Adha (Islamic festival on August 22th) in the destroyed theatre,” the director told Mondoweiss. “Now, the play has gone under the rubble, as well my decorations and equipment.”

Avichay Adraee, the Israeli army’s Arabic media spokesman, wrote in a Twitter post shortly after the building was targeted: “Warplanes have targeted a five-floor building serving internal security forces […] The unit is the operational wing of Hamas’ political leadership, which is responsible for running all internal security activities in the Gaza Strip.”

‏‎Eman Sourani‎‏, one of the center’s neighbors posted video of the attack on her Facebook account and wrote:

This bombing was very close to my house. I had to show silly smiles and do funny reactions so that my toddlers would not panic. I am a mother of three and currently I am very scared and worried. Last night a pregnant Mom and her one-year-old daughter murdered by IOF terrorist warplanes and today and every day I do not feel safe at all. By Three years from now; will Gaza have any place of art teaching? Theatres? Music Centers? Libraries or Green playgrounds so my girls would enjoy childhood and learn?

“Israel is trying to deliver its message that massive war is not just against humanity or our existence; it is a war against every part of Palestinian identity including music, culture or even Dabkeh dance,” said Nidal Eissa, 30, Deputy Director of the Foundation, which was inaugurated in 2004.

Eissa added that the center used to be full of 200-250 poets, artists, folklore dancers and thinkers every day; as well, many kindergarten graduation ceremonies prefer to hold their parties here. “But all those poets will not gather again, and the pupils have to find a place somewhere else.”

Shocked witnesses minutes after the Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science building went down. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Shocked witnesses minutes after the Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science building went down. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Minutes after the attack on the Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science cultural center. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Minutes after the attack on the Said al-Mishal Foundation for Culture and Science cultural center. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

About Ahmad Kabariti

Ahmad Kabariti is a freelance journalist based in Gaza.

Other posts by .


Posted In:

49 Responses

  1. mondonut
    mondonut
    August 10, 2018, 1:27 pm

    What a mystery. Out of the blue and for absolutely no known reason Israel just up and decides to blow up a Hamas Security building cultural center.

    • John O
      John O
      August 10, 2018, 1:46 pm

      That is a possibility. Another possibility is that the most moral army in the world are utterly incompetent and keep hitting the wrong targets. These two possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

      • Rob Roy
        Rob Roy
        August 10, 2018, 7:47 pm

        John O,
        No. they know precisely what they are doing and they won’t quit until all of Palestine is Israel, all the Palestinians’ land is stolen and all Palestinians are dead and all those rotten zionists are living in a “greater israel,” where they will still pretend they are ‘god’s chosen,’ smarter than all others, deserve everything they want, and remain the only victims of a holocaust ever, even though they are obviously dumber than others, the Armenian holocaust was even worse than the Jewish one, and they are the ‘animals’ they think the Arabs are.
        Seems the zionists are the god-forsaken.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        August 10, 2018, 8:21 pm

        @John O, who is truly utterly incompetent in all of this? Surely you can’t past Hamas who continue to try to attack and damage Israel when the citizens in their beleaguered enclave live in dreadful, worsening conditions. It seems that their blind hatred for Israel is greater than their concern for their own people.
        Gold Meir said it most aptly, “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        August 10, 2018, 10:06 pm

        @mayhem

        Smooth move of doubling down by posting one of the most vile and repugnant racist statements ever recorded in history. A statement made by a repugnant person under whose watch a plethora of war crimes were committed.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 11, 2018, 6:28 am

        It was deliberate. It always is

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        August 11, 2018, 11:15 am

        @Mayhem

        “’We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.’”

        I guess it was only a matter of time before you or one of your fellow hasbarats would trot out Golda Meir’s utterly disingenuous bull****statement. (Incidentally, her real name was Golda Mabovitch.)

        BTW, she also had this to say during an interview with the foreign editor of the London Sunday Times: “It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine…and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. THEY DID NOT EXIST [my emphasis.]” (Sunday Times, London, June 15, 1969)

        Also, revealing her strong preference for Ashkenazi Jews, as Soviet immigrants arrived during 1969-70, Prime Minister Golda Meir greeted them at the airport saying “you are the real Jews. We have been waiting for you for twenty-five years…. You are a superior breed – you will provide us with heroes.” (Quoted by Joseph Massad, Zionism’s Others …Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1996, pp. 61-62)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 11, 2018, 8:51 pm

        I’ll try to be fair to Goldy. I think she was saying that there wasn’t a “people” (self-identified tribe, “national group” sort of thing) in Palestine. She wasn’t saying that there weren’t any people.

        The question of whether Palestinians were a “people” seems terribly important to Zionists. I get the impression that they think only “peoples” have rights. People don’t.

        Of course, The Jewish People has more rights than any other people.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        August 11, 2018, 10:33 pm

        @Misterioso, you supply an alleged quote from Golda Meir that when I put it into my Google search bar I get 10 hits all from dubious, insignificant sources like Mondoweiss. Even amongst the “quotes” there are qualifying remarks like “she greeted them with such statements as …”.
        You are making stuff up again to suit your agenda.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 12, 2018, 4:05 pm

        “there are qualifying remarks like “she greeted them with such statements as …”.”

        “Mayhem”, don’t overlook the greatest error in the Golda Meir quote; Russian Jews are not Ashkenazim. Unless, of course, Ms. Meir promoted them.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      August 12, 2018, 5:44 am

      It’s no mistery. It is state terrorism according to Israel’s Dahiya Doctrine:

      “The 2009 United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict makes several references to the Dahya doctrine, calling it a concept which requires the application of “widespread destruction as a means of deterrence” and which involves “the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

      Haaretz Reports Israel Targeting Civilians in Gaza as “Collective Punishment”
      https://www.mintpressnews.com/haaretz-reports-israels-idf-targeting-civilians-in-gaza-as-collective-punishment/247499/

      And btw. You don’t need to remind us how despicable like Gold Meir and other Jewish Zionists who dehumanize Palestinians were or still are. It is no longer a mistery.

  2. guyn
    guyn
    August 10, 2018, 6:16 pm

    The Russians should provide the Palestinians with S-400 systems.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 11, 2018, 1:21 pm

      “The Russians should provide the Palestinians with S-400 systems.”

      That would help. Where do you suggest the Palestinian’s put them?

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 12, 2018, 5:27 pm

      @gn

      an idiotic idea as it would prove catastrophic for the citizens of Gaza. As well as for southern II Israel. (And that is if Hezbollah doesn’t get involved) maybe you don’t believe the news of the IAF launching 50 or so strikes against expansionist colonial Iranian positions in Syria. fake news? Maybe you have been suckered in to believing that the known 100,000 rockets aimed at us from the north means our destruction. maybe you haven’t considered that we’ve had years to develop numerous responses. nasrallah knows at least. He knows he’s the deterrent, not the offensive. And If the Gaza blockade ere lifted without proper international oversight Iran would immediately resume smuggling of advanced arms into Gaza (like they have before and most likely have accomplished) and the situation would escalate to horrendous proportions. or maybe your under delusion that if that did happen the major world powers would intervene and attack Israel? think again. almost every major world power is dependent on some form of crucial technology from Israel. We’ve spent countless years making ourselves indespensible to much of the world and even if EU caved(they are pussies) eastern block nations, China, Brazil, India, Australia, and the US and Canada would not. China has unofficially admitted that while pro Palestine, they would never allow the destruction of Israel. (Probably not entirely on morality grounds). Negotiate a peace that ends the conflict is the only option that saves lives. the Jews that survived Europe twentieth century did not have a choice of dignity over life. complete and utter humiliation, despair and neglect was survivable. the arabs (and possibly it is a cultural issue) say they would rather die then be humiliated. Yet they were ruled by many outsiders before. I suppose it is the Jews they see as unbearable. anyway, while defeated and humiliated, the Jews of Europe slowly gained dignity and three is no reason the arabs can’t end the conflict with a treaty. obviously, what happens in a century or two is always unpredictable.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 12, 2018, 7:03 pm

        ” and three is no reason the arabs can’t end the conflict with a treaty”

        Yes there is. Israel will not make or keep a treaty.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 13, 2018, 5:29 am

        DaBakr: “… and three is no reason the arabs can’t end the conflict with a treaty.”

        There is. It is called Zionism.

  3. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    August 11, 2018, 6:08 am

    It would not matter who ruled Gaza. Israel can not afford to include the people in its headcount. Without Gaza , Jews are 60%. With Gaza they are 49%. Zionism has painted itself into a sick corner. There is no equilibrium for Israel. Just eventual collapse.

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      August 11, 2018, 8:47 am

      Maghlawatan: Without Gaza , Jews are 60%. With Gaza they are 49%. Zionism has painted itself into a sick corner.
      ———————————-

      No, it just means Israel will never annex Gaza.

      There is no equilibrium for Israel. Just eventual collapse.

      Indeed, eventual collapse. Like capitalism.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      August 11, 2018, 11:20 am

      @Maghlawatan

      “Zionism has painted itself into a sick corner. There is no equilibrium for Israel. Just eventual collapse.”

      As Charles De Gaulle declared, “Israel will drown in a sea of Arabs.”

  4. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    August 11, 2018, 6:26 am

    Israel’s ur problem is 1948. Gaza is a holding pen for 1948 refugees. Their population growth rate could only be matched by the Orthodox and ultra Orthodox. Israel is now under Orthodox control. Zionism is finished. I wish Golda could witness the clusterfuck. US Jews cannot possibly support the insanity.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      August 11, 2018, 9:25 am

      “US Jews cannot possibly support the insanity.”

      And yet it seems they do.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        August 12, 2018, 5:32 pm

        @r

        And yet, most American Jews are Zionist which probably explains your lament

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 13, 2018, 12:20 am

        Once again, I draw a logical conclusion from DB’s words. Once again, the moderator refuses to allow it. It looks as though the moderator wants everyone to exercise their own powers of logic without help from me.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 13, 2018, 5:41 am

        DaBakr: “And yet, most American Jews are Zionist which probably explains your lament.”

        They are armchair Zionists who don’t have blood on their hands. They have not experienced what it takes to treat Nonjews as non humans and even less.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 13, 2018, 8:36 am

        RoHa,

        “Right of response for me, not for thee” is the basic rule of all US liberal sites.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 13, 2018, 5:35 pm

        ” It looks as though the moderator wants everyone to exercise their own powers of logic without help from me.”

        Exactly. It’s known as the solocratic method.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 13, 2018, 5:39 pm

        “They are armchair Zionists who don’t have blood on their hands.”

        And since 2008, not as much pelf in their wallets to give to Israel.

  5. carollang
    carollang
    August 11, 2018, 11:29 am

    I am utterly astounded at the utter ignorance of people like Mayhem who continue to hang on to the racist ideology of the Zionists. Golda Meir was the president of a Zionist state who wanted to expropriate Palestinian land and therefore she used racist hasbara to support that quest. She and her ilk have no problem killing Palestinians. Israel is a colonial settler state and thus the land was stolen from people who originally lived there. Would you not fight back if someone were to steal your property. This is just bullshit. But because Zionism is so racist, all it needs to support this theft is the promotion of racial ideology and people like you who continue to support anything they do.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 11, 2018, 1:13 pm

      “I am utterly astounded at the utter ignorance of people like Mayhem”

      As the son of Rabbi Moses Reuben Yoelson once said: “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet!”

      Please, stick around and meet “Nathan” and “Jackdaw” and “Jack Green” and “DaBakr”, as they take their turns. If that doesn’t exceed your MDR for astonishment there’s always “Jon s” and last but not least, the ineffable and insufferable “wondering jew”.

    • eljay
      eljay
      August 11, 2018, 3:00 pm

      || carollang: I am utterly astounded at the utter ignorance of people like Mayhem who continue to hang on to the racist ideology of the Zionists. … ||

      The ideology of Zionism has at a minimum these three fundamental tenets:
      – The religion-based identity of Jewish comprises a right to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.
      – Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews.
      – Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      Jewish supremacists (Zionists) like Mayhem have fully bought into this ideology, which (in part at least) explains why when it comes to the I-P issue they hypocritically* despise justice, accountability and equality.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      August 12, 2018, 4:20 am

      carollang: “She and her ilk have no problem killing Palestinians. ”

      She did: “We cannot forgive them forcing us to kill their children.”

      Imagine how much it hurt her to be a despicable human being.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 12, 2018, 5:40 pm

      @c

      The best thing about your (and countless other members of the so-called progressive far left) use of the word ‘racist’ is that it is soon relegated to the dump heap of meaningless insults. Certainly Jews have contributed to the watering down of the term ‘anti-semitic’ by constant accusations against folks criticizing Israeli policy. But the far left use of racism is beyond the pale. Every white person by default(including themselves) are racist. Multi-ethnic Israel with suffrage for all citizens is ‘racist’ . Zionists(the non Jewish ones) are ‘racist’ . Trump is racist. The whole power structure (wether succeeding in improving minority citizens lives or not) is racist. The ‘patriarchy’ is naturally racist. Extremely wealthy us citizens of colour that are also extremely influential are racist dupes. The cops are racist. Basically, the word means nothing anymore. Anti-Semitism is a joke. Jew-hating is back in style. Racist is a far left buzz word. As I said before: SNAFU

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 13, 2018, 5:38 am

        DaBakr: “The best thing about your (and countless other members of the so-called progressive far left) use of the word ‘racist’ is that it is soon relegated to the dump heap of meaningless insults.”

        Nope. Contrary to the accusation of antisemitism the accusation of racism can be rationally explained.

        DaBakr: “Certainly Jews have contributed to the watering down of the term ‘anti-semitic’ by constant accusations against folks criticizing Israeli policy.”

        Yep. And you are not different but just changed the term “anti-semitic” into “hatred”.

        Contrary to you, who has contributed to the watering down of the term ‘hatred’ by constant accusations against folks criticizing Israeli policy, right?

  6. brent
    brent
    August 11, 2018, 1:15 pm

    Will someone lay out the rationale for flying kites to start fires at an entity that is at war with the culture and people? Seems self-defeating and delivers body blows to the support system worldwide. Isn’t it apparent campaigning for independence or equality is a plausible strategy?

    • chocopie
      chocopie
      August 11, 2018, 8:19 pm

      Please remind all of us how many cultural centers have been destroyed and how many people have been killed by these deadly kites.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      August 12, 2018, 4:13 am

      Hamas never misses a chance to deligitimize the Palestinian’s struggle. They completely undermined the “Great Rarch of return” protest and gave Israel the chance for their usual victim-perpetrator-reversal.

      Idiots.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        August 12, 2018, 6:19 pm

        @tb

        Unbelievable to agree yet with completely different political solutions in mind. But agree we do.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 12, 2018, 6:12 pm

      @brnt

      The fires are one of the most successful campaigns of violence and destruction the Hamas has come up with. Why? It is endlessly irritating to the IDF and southern citizens. The fires carry with them the potential for death and destruction but so far have succeeded in financially damaging thousands of acres of farmland and crops. (Destroying with it, endangered wildlife in nature preserves and 1000s of other creatures plus the use of fire tied to the tail feathers of endangered hawk species is universally disgusting but naturally PETA refuses to condemn that practise)
      . Furthermore, the kites and petrol are extremely low cost and easily manufactured. Easily launched by the 100s. And as for propaganda and public relations, the Hamas is well aware of the use of the David/goliath narrative to portray themselves as modern day Israelites. The simple flaming kite fits this image well while the IDF response with fire creates an image of overwhelming force that idiots and Palestinian propagandists claim is disproportionate(the most cynical and hypocritical complaint they can make. As if Israel should respond with its own flaming kites, tunnels and suicide missions. Very real politik)
      So, they use the kites because it’s presented the IDF with a challenge, a dilemma and a source of pride that they have stymied the IDF with a simplistic weapon. Soon enough there will be a high tech solution to the kites and another round back to the drawing board. Three is no interest in gazans negotiating a peace. Just a truce while they rearm and regroup and re smuggle arms

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        August 12, 2018, 11:56 pm

        “The fires carry with them the potential for death and destruction”.
        Make me cry, will you? Highfalutin power-word, “potential”.
        Even if the Palestinians burned the whole of the Zionist entity, so what, it’s their land. Not an acceptable pretext to shoot because you guys don’t even have the right to be there.
        And no, you don’t even have the right to respond with kites, either. Remember, you guys don’t have the right to be there in the first place.

        “the tail feathers of endangered hawk species” are sure worth more than a million Goy lives, eh? That was a Jewish hawk for sure.

  7. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    August 11, 2018, 10:45 pm

    An IDF spokesman told the press the attack was “an expression of the IDF’s intelligence and operational capabilities, which will expand and intensify as necessary.”
    In inimical fashion Hamas supposedly responded to the demolition, saying the IDF identified the wrong building, their actual headquarters located across the street from the celebrated cultural institution.
    More Hamas fake news.

  8. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    August 12, 2018, 4:15 am

    Al-Mishal was a place of full of memories,” Hazem said. “It was a place of love, warm songs, and movies when sitting on its 350 burgundy seats and dozens of plays were performed on its stages.”

    Nazis hate culture. Nazis hate memories.
    It’s fascinating to read the Song of Songs while thinking about Israel.

    Israel really does look like God taking the piss.

  9. Boomer
    Boomer
    August 12, 2018, 7:14 am

    And the U.S. under Trump and a Congress fearful of the Zionist lobby actively supports this policy with the Kushner policy:

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/08/kushners-palestinian-refugees.html

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      August 12, 2018, 8:00 am

      PS: I have for several years felt that the U.S. owes those Palestinians who wish to move here and become citizens an opportunity to do so. It seems clear that the the Trump administration won’t support that action, even though its policies increase the practical need and the moral duty to do so. If the Palestinians are to receive help, it will need to come from some other source. I don’t see any on offer.

      Thus, I don’t see much room for optimism, both for the tangible welfare of the Palestinians, and for the moral status of America in this regard. This isn’t the first great moral failing of the United States; it isn’t even the first of this century, but I find that fact no consolation.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 12, 2018, 4:11 pm

        ” I have for several years felt that the U.S. owes those Palestinians who wish to move here and become citizens an opportunity to do so.”

        Yes! A dual citizenship which gives them all the rights of an American without in any way compromising or eclipsing their Palestinian identity and citizenship.
        Just like so many Israelis have.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        August 16, 2018, 11:49 am

        re Mooser: “Yes! A dual citizenship which gives them all the rights of an American without in any way compromising or eclipsing their Palestinian identity and citizenship.
        Just like so many Israelis have.”

        Thanks, Mooser, for making an excellent point. The drawback of my suggestion (to offer Palestinians the opportunity to come here and become citizens) is that they should not be obliged to leave their own land to gain the dignity of a decent life and citizenship in a state that accords them equal rights.

        My suggestion, from that perspective, would compound our complicity in the crimes of theft and ethnic cleansing. It could complete the process of eliminating Palestinian identity. For that reason, I didn’t start to put forward the idea of offering refuge to the refugees of Palestine until I gave up hope that Israel would accord a decent life and equal rights to them. That also meant that I gave up hope that U.S. politicians would persuade Israel to do so.

        I had some hope such a thing might happen in 2005, when RAND released its proposal for “The Arc.” https://www.wrmea.org/005-july/special-report-rands-blueprint-for-palestine-fairy-tale-or-nightmare.html To me, it seemed less than perfect, but still a plausible way forward that U.S. politicians could support and finance. Responses in Israel and in Washington quickly showed how far removed from reality my understanding was.

        Despite that disillusionment, I had some hope again during Obama’s first campaign. He clearly knew the facts, and seemed to be well intentioned. My second disillusionment came more gradually, but was largely complete by the time his second term began.

        I don’t pretend to be an expert on the Middle East. I’ve read a few books, several articles, heard some lectures, and followed some websites like this one . . . but I’ve never been there. I don’t speak any of the languages of the region. And I can’t predict the future. But I’ve given up hope for a decent resolution there. Given that, the most I could hope for, during Obama’s second term, was a generous refugee policy toward the Palestinians. This might be second best compared with some fantasy alternative, but it was one I could imagine Obama actually implementing, and Congress permitting. Under Trump, even that is not conceivable, but I still hope some future administration might do it.

        So the issue you raise is valid and important. I don’t want the U.S. to compromise or eclipse whatever Palestinian identity remains. But I don’t want to us to force them to live under their current conditions either.

        So thanks again for your comment.

        As for dual-citizenship, I actually have reservations when it comes to people in positions of high public trust. But that’s another subject. It isn’t necessary to go there now, especially since our courts seem to have largely mooted any issue there. It’s a reality in today’s world. I have reservations about unlimited immigration as well, given the projections for world population growth. But a few million Palestinians should not be a problem for us, and I think we owe it to them. Their plight may not be worse than that of many in the world, e.g., the Rohingya, but we didn’t contribute to the problems of the Rohingya in the way we did regarding the Palestinians.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 16, 2018, 4:54 pm

        ” is that they should not be obliged to leave their own land”

        They lose nothing by leaving. They retain all their rights in Palestine, but can go and work or reside in the US if they want.

        Got a problem with that? I believe “dual-citizenship for Israelis works that way.

        ” until I gave up hope that Israel would accord a decent life and equal rights to them.”

        Aww, so Israel’s legitimacy is validated by the denial of rights to Palestinians? Seems like a much better reason to think Israel is on its way, or should be on its way, to collapse.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        August 16, 2018, 6:19 pm

        re Mooser:

        Umm, maybe I wasn’t clear. We are on the same side here. Again, I appreciate the point you made explicit, which I had initially left unstated.

  10. just
    just
    August 16, 2018, 1:16 pm

    “We condemn the destruction of Gaza cultural centre in Israeli airstrike

    Fourteen leading playwrights and theatre directors, including Mike Bartlett, Caryl Churchill, Vicky Featherstone and Rufus Norris, describe the great rage and deep pain of their Palestinian friends and colleagues…”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/16/we-condemn-the-destruction-of-gaza-cultural-centre-in-israeli-airstrike

    “Gaza

    UK playwrights condemn bombing of Gaza theatre
    Caryl Churchill and National Theatre director bemoan ‘devastating loss’ after Israeli strike …”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/16/uk-playwrights-condemn-bombing-of-gaza-theatre

Leave a Reply