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Three days ago on Rosh Hashanah, Angela Buchdahl gave a stemwinder of a sermon on anti-Semitism at the Central Synagogue in New York. Below are excerpted passages from her transcript (on Facebook; though I’ve added some links) in which she says that harsh criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. Central Synagogue is a Reform congregation and Buchdahl is clearly anxious about preserving Israel as a progressive cause.

Buchdahl began her sermon by listing several examples of bigotry aimed at Jews in public life, including the march in Charlottesville in August 2017, Holocaust denial by one Republican candidate for the House, and statements by another Republican candidate that “Hitler was right” about “Jewish cabals.” Buchdahl included in that list sharp criticisms of Israel by leftleaning politicians, and named Jeremy Corbyn of Britain and Ilhan Omar, a presumptive congresswoman from Minnesota.

She went on:

Last spring, a group of rabbis spoke with Simone Rodan-Benzaquen, the Director of AJC Europe, about the shifting landscape for European Jews. I asked if she had any words of advice for us. She said, “Yes. I wish we had spoken louder here in France. We felt we were too powerful and well connected for this to be a real threat. We all wasted a lot of time.” Her message to American Jewish leaders was clear: Don’t wait. Rally your community. Speak up before it’s too late.

And if you think this is only happening in France and England, in North Carolina and Missouri, think again: This is happening right here in New York.

Last spring, as unrest mounted in Gaza, the head of the history department at a prestigious private school in New York posted the headline “ISRAELIS KILL DOZENS IN GAZA” on the wall outside his classroom, with a terrifying picture and no context. This teacher’s politics were well known. He made it explicit in an article for Mondoweiss entitled: “Against Balance: Thoughts on Teaching Israel Palestine.”

History teacher Joel Doerfler’s classroom door at Riverdale Country School, featuring his original posting from the NYT, at center, and commentary, chiefly from pro-Israel students. May 2018. From Huffington Post.

Some of his students, however, decided “balance” was a good idea when it came to this complicated issue. They started posting other articles on the wall, to provide additional background and support for Israel’s right to defend its border. A second history teacher then joined the debate and posted an article that likened Israel’s actions to war crimes. This same teacher screamed at a student wearing an IDF T-shirt, that Israelis were terrorists. Later, during a heated discussion about Israel he lost control and violently kicked chairs and slammed a desk.

This is not a matter of trigger words or microaggressions. This is aggression, directed at pro-Israel students by authority figures in a school. The school finally called a town hall meeting and over 200 concerned parents came for a thoughtful and candid conversation.

But when the press got hold of this story, it was reframed as an attempt by self-interested Jews to stifle free speech. The most egregious example was a recent article in the Huffington Post which dismissed entirely the merits of the debate, and instead headlined a story about “Angry Zionists” and a conspiracy of “influential parents” who exploited their wealth, and powerful media connections as they plotted to remove teachers who dare oppose Israel. It seemed this writer was trying to set a record for the most antisemitic dog-whistles in a single article….

We can’t win. If we don’t complain, nothing happens. And if we make a fuss, we’re accused of abusing our disproportionate power and influence—which is exactly how Jews have been slandered for centuries. Unfortunately, I fear that we’ve begun to internalize this prejudice. And it can make us hesitant to stand up for ourselves…

And one of the scariest things about today’s rise in antisemitism is that it’s coming at us from both sides. From the right, white supremacists don’t just consider Jews an enemy,
alongside immigrants and people of color, but the ultimate enemy.

But white supremacists and neo-Nazis are not the only ones we have to fear. Today antisemitism is increasingly found on the left as well.

Now, I want to speak directly to our high school and college students, because the antisemitism of the left is especially pronounced on liberal campuses. In these progressive communities, otherwise devoted to identifying victims of oppression and prejudice–Jewish complaints about antisemitism are often dismissed, even derided….

[T]he longstanding Israeli Palestinian conflict, which is indeed confounding and upsetting, fuels antisemitism on the left which often hides behind a false veneer of “legitimate” criticism of Israel.

Last spring a Central student enrolled at NYU came to me distressed. Fifty different progressive student organizations on campus, from the Black Student Union to LGBTQ groups, pledged a boycott. Not only a boycott Israeli goods and academic institutions, but a refusal to partner with the most mainstream Jewish organizations on campus—including the ADL, Birthright, and AIPAC— on any topic whatsoever–issues such as gay rights, feminism or racism, which Jews have long championed.

Opposition to Israel has increasingly become a necessary precondition for all other progressive commitments. Some groups will only allow Jewish students to participate if they take a ‘disloyalty oath’ and affirm they are opposed to “Israeli racism.” This singling out of Israel, as THE litmus test for Jewish involvement in any social justice cause is antisemitism, plain and simple. And I beg of you students to call that out when you see it.

To be sure, not all criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It should come as no surprise to hear me say that because I have publicly wrestled with a lot of things about Israel in recent years. But even if you’re not a rabbi, it is perfectly fair for you to criticize Israel the way you would criticize any other country, including our own. The problem is when people criticize Israel in a way they would criticize NO other country. So where is the line?

To help, I want to share the “3D” test conceived by Natan Sharansky and adopted as part of the US State Department’s own definition of antisemitism to help you recognize when Israel criticism is really just dressed-up antisemitism. The three D’s are: Delegitimization. Double Standards. And Demonization.

When people deny only the Jewish people’s right to self determination–when they characterize a return to our homeland of 3000 years as a racist, white-colonialist endeavor and call into question Israel’s very right to exist–this Deligitimization is antisemitism.

When the UN human rights council calls out Israel for fully half of their human rights condemnations–more than the resolutions against the horrific regimes of Syria, Iran and North Korea combined, this Double Standard is antisemitism.

When the Israeli Defense Force is characterized as terrorists, or Nazis, wantonly killing Palestinians in a “genocide,” this Demonization is antisemitism…

To fight antisemitism, we must also resist our understandable desire to leave when we feel we are not wanted. It is not easy to sit at the table or engage when we feel under attack–but we must stay in it–stay in the conversation about Israel–stay in the fight for pluralistic causes–because Jews have always been at the forefront against oppression of all kinds.

In our fight against antisemitism, we must be willing to mobilize for this battle.

That means you identify antisemitism in its many forms and not internalize any of its hateful prejudice. It means that you call antisemitism out– not only on the other side of the political spectrum, but with allies, sometimes with teachers, even friends. It means you defend the Jewish right for self determination and don’t apologize for the existence of the State of Israel. It means you take risks to get to know someone you might detest in order to change his hate. …

Jews have been fighting antisemtism for centuries. Each generation must learn to fight what is the oldest and most adaptive hatred in history. It’s been tragically devastating at times–only 75 years ago, one out of every three Jews on the planet was murdered because of antisemitic hatred. But we are still here.

A few quick responses. The litmus test of opposing Israel in order to be a progressive is not just applied to Jews. Buchdahl regards the slaughter of more than 60 unarmed protesters at the Gaza border on May 14 as “complicated.” But Gaza is why so many Jews have jumped the Zionist ship. “Israel’s brutal treatment of the demonstrators in Gaza…and Gaza itself…is the anti-Passover. It represents the height of hypocrisy: A supposedly Jewish state violating the most basic concepts of the religion in order to defend its ‘right to exist,’” David Rothkopf wrote. Buchdahl says Huffpo’s story about the Riverdale Country School’s decision to cancel a Jewish teacher’s long-offered class on Israel/Palestine was anti-semitic. The story documents that donors to the school reached out to the American Jewish Committee, which held a meeting with Jewish parents from the school, many of them large donors, to organize against two teachers. That private meeting led to the “town hall” she described. Both teachers are now gone. How can anyone defend such a process? History teacher Doerfler is Jewish. So are Peter Feld and many of the other Riverdale alumni who saw that process as a violation of academic freedom. Buchdahl does not seem to regard these Jews as part of her community.

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  1. JoeSmack
    JoeSmack
    September 14, 2018, 11:17 am

    A total liar. There isn’t a litmus test for Jews on the left to be against Israel. There is a litmus test for everyone on the left to be against racist regimes. It just so happens that people participating in this moron’s flock enjoy playing the victim and Jewish racists seem to think there is supposed to be some sort of exception for them when it’s aimed at Arabs and Muslims.

    When I was at NYU, even the Palestine club was too timid to launch an all-out boycott. I am so proud of NYU for standing up to Zionist bullying and ending any collaboration with the ADL. If the ADL wants to be taken seriously, they can take themselves seriously and stop functioning as a lobbying arm for pro-Israel legislation.

  2. Donald
    Donald
    September 14, 2018, 12:29 pm

    There are so many bad arguments here you’d have to write pages to refute them all. I will just talk about the “singling out Israel” argument.

    It shows extreme narcissism. She mentions Syria. Whatever one thinks about Syria, the simple fact is that it has been a battleground for several countries to fight their proxy wars. The US wanted to make Syria the equivalent of Vietnam for Russia and Iran, so we poured weapons into the country. Many of those weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS and Al Qaeda, and of course the “moderate” rebels were fighting side-by-side with Al Qaeda anyway. So what sane person would complain that Israel is “singled out” in comparison with Syria? Does she want the same for Israel? Does she want opposing outside countries pouring weapons into the hands of the IDF, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Palestinian groups, so that they could fight the IDF on equal terms, and so that hundreds of thousands of people die in a prolonged multi-sided war with entire cities reduced to rubble? Would that be better from her perspective? Apparently so. She thinks that criticism of Israel is worse than bombing cities and supplying weapons to insurgents. Okay. Good to know.

    I could go on. Gaza is under brutal blockade. The sanctions on Iran make it hard for people there to obtain life-saving medicine. We supply weapons and logistic support to the Saudis to bomb civilians in Yemen, causing a massive famine. But sure, Israel is singled out for extra special bad treatment, because some people say harsh things about them.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      September 15, 2018, 7:29 am

      There are so many bad arguments here you’d have to write pages to refute them all. I will just talk about the “singling out Israel” argument

      They are not arguments Donald, they are talking points intended to shut down argument or debate. These people never put themselves in a position were they have to defend of justify their arguments, because they know their argument would collapse in the face of the most basic applications of justice and equality. The fact that she cites rampant Islamophobes like Nathan Sharansky is a testament to how tone deaf she is.

      For example, the characterisation of the “return” of jews to their homeland or the “creation of Israel” are dishonestly presented as some benign endeavour with no consequence. Never do these propagandists address the fact that both were only made possible through egregious human rights violations and war crimes. It is akin to a rapist claiming he was only trying to have sex, while leaving out the all important details of the sexual abuse of a non consenting victim.

      Israel is a settler state that was created against the will or agreement of the existing population. How can it not have been a racist endeavour? They will play dumb and argue that the return of Jews to Palestine is some glorious fulfilment of an unrequited dream that spans millennia, but they dare not put themselves in a position where they have to explain why the Palestinians who were expelled in 1948 should not be given the same rights.

      We can’t win. If we don’t complain, nothing happens. And if we make a fuss, we’re accused of abusing our disproportionate power and influence—which is exactly how Jews have been slandered for centurie

      This is grossly dishonest. What she leaves out is that what she means by making a fuss has nearly always come in the form of wealthy Israeli supporters using their power to influence and corrupt political leaders to behind the scenes to subvert policy and the democratic process, as we have seen with the spate of laws criminalising support for BDS.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 15, 2018, 1:05 pm

        Gee, you don’t think the good Rabbi is promulgating a position that every young Jewish person will be proud to embrace, and make their own?
        Moral ambiguity connected with a murderous colonial project, and augmented by psycho-religious backbiting
        (“internalize this prejudice”) and topped off with special pleading.
        What’s not to like?

      • Edward Q
        Edward Q
        September 16, 2018, 12:46 am

        If “making a fuss” doesn’t work it is because Zionism lacks good arguments. The ones who can’t win are the Palestinians, because the Zionists seem impervious to valid criticism of Israel.

  3. annie
    annie
    September 14, 2018, 12:54 pm

    her love for israel has blinded her and impairs her logic. she thinks [T]he longstanding Israeli Palestinian conflict, which is indeed confounding and upsetting, fuels antisemitism on the left and the way she instructs students to deal with that is to fight against antisemitism…It means that you call antisemitism out–.

    yet, instead of strongly advising students to advocate a resolution to what she perceives as “indeed confounding and upsetting”, that she thinks provides the fuel for (what she perceives as) anti semitism, she thinks “calling antisemitism out” will make a difference. it won’t.

    there’s a perfectly logical reason that any progressive person or movement would find the killing of protestors or the massacres committed against palestinians by israel, or the dearth of palestinian rights after decades (and the list goes on), abhorrent. accusations of anti semitism are basically an ad hominem approach/weapon. you can try brow beating someone, or some movement, into submission but if you do not deal with what’s fueling the area of your concern (and her primary concern appears to be anti semitism, not the atrocities on the ground) the fuel will keep the fire burning.

    accusing ones ideological opponent in a political fight of being a bad person avoids the issue. ultimately, this is a movement for palestinian rights. one way to defend israel is to either argue convincingly why palestinians should have no rights — and that’s something the kids seem unwilling to do (for obvious reasons). another way is to argue convincingly why israel is justified in killing palestinians — a tough call for any student. but the weapons their elders are advising them to use in this campus debate, is to accuse their opponents of being bigots, the golden ad hominem. ironically, it’s like handing them kites and pebbles against a well armed opponent.

    the government is already on israel’s side and now they are trying to outlaw speech, that will also add fuel to the fire.

    if she’s sincerely interested in ending what she perceives as anti semitism on campus, she should go back to ‘publicly wrestling with things about Israel’ and leave the kids alone. fix what’s fueling the fire, fix israel.

    • Eric
      Eric
      September 14, 2018, 3:08 pm

      The only way to fix Israel is to end it, ie, establish a new country with equality for all its citizens. Not just the Jewish ones.
      Oops — I just said something anti-Semitic!

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        September 14, 2018, 11:29 pm

        Eric, you bad “Anti Semite” you!!! Off with your head.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 16, 2018, 8:16 am

        @eric the idiot

        It’s easy for you to say that about Israel with your mindset, obviously. However, there are literally dozens of other nations with citizens in more dire need that the very same statement you made would apply even more appropriately. So, are you just spewing hatred for Israel or are you proposing a world wide revolution of trashing’bad’ states and “Replacing,” them with better ones?. Despite the natural inclination of mankind to well, fuck up everybody’s shit, what the fck do you think humans have been doing for 1000s of years?

        And yeah smart aleck, you probably did say something jew-hating . You probably say jew-hating things often since you get such sybaritic sensations from saying them….oops

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 16, 2018, 9:24 am

        || Eric: The only way to fix Israel is … equality for all its citizens. … ||

        || @aak: @eric the idiot … spewing hatred … what the fck do you think … smart aleck … jew-hating … jew-hating … ||

        The Zionist mind is a truly ugly and disturbing place.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 16, 2018, 9:52 am

        DaBakr: “However, there are literally dozens of other nations with citizens in more dire need that the very same statement you made would apply even more appropriately.”

        And that’s why you do not only support ending Israel, but every country in which there is no equality for all its citizens! Thank you!

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 16, 2018, 9:55 am

        Eljay: “|| @aak: @eric the idiot … spewing hatred … what the fck do you think … smart aleck … jew-hating … jew-hating … ||

        The Zionist mind is a truly ugly and disturbing place.”

        We insulted his precious … gollum … gollum.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 16, 2018, 10:29 am

        Addendum:

        DaBakr: “However, there are literally dozens of other nations with citizens in more dire need that the very same statement you made would apply even more appropriately. So, are you just spewing hatred for Israel …”

        I knew this anti-Apartheid propaganda sounded familiar:
        “South Africa Shouldn’t be Singled Out

        WHILE the violation of human rights is the norm rather than the exception in most of Africa’s 42 black-ruled states, the spotlight remains on South Africa. The images of racism, white supremacy, Nazism, etc. are a most effective part of a campaign to play on white guilt and to condition hatred for South Africa.”
        https://www.csmonitor.com/1989/1012/ekri.html

        ROFL.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 15, 2018, 12:08 am

      There is nothing that needs fixing. Israel, like Mary Poppins, is practically perfect in every way.
      Hasn’t anyone told you that?

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      September 16, 2018, 8:08 am

      @annie

      . Your assuming that people other then hard left progressives accept the premise that progressives were ever “logical”. No offense.

      • annie
        annie
        September 16, 2018, 10:16 am

        nope, i’m not offended. and have no idea what it is you’re referencing either dabakr.

  4. mikeo
    mikeo
    September 14, 2018, 2:06 pm

    From Wikipedia:

    Angela Warnick Buchdahl (born Angela Lee Warnick on 8 July 1972) is an American rabbi. She is the first Asian-American to be ordained as a rabbi, and the first Asian-American to be ordained as a hazzan (cantor) anywhere in the world.

    “Jews have been fighting antisemtism for centuries. Each generation must learn to fight what is the oldest and most adaptive hatred in history.”

    I’d like to see Angela go to the Israel she loves so much and find out how the Rabbinate and ordinary Israelis respect her as a Rabbi and as a Jew.

    She may find herself on the wrong end of some of that eternal anti-semitism…

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      September 14, 2018, 11:31 pm

      “Jews have been fighting antisemtism for centuries. Each generation must learn to fight what is the oldest and most adaptive hatred in history.”

      Thing is … that is bunk. And sadly she has taken this narcissistic victim narrative as identity and truth of a people. It is crippling and damaging to the self identity of a people.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 16, 2018, 8:25 am

        Oh yeah, the average Arab Muslim citizen just loves them Jews. They say it all the time in Arabic news outlets. But I forgot, it’s all Israel’s fault. You know that other great lie the smarmy zionists spread how things were not actually so great living under the Muslim dhimmi rules that restricted almost every aspect of Jewish Arab life and then, after ’48 left less then a tiny fraction of jews in what were once home to over a million. And yeah, you can argue about circumstance and detail but there still were about 7-800,000 Arab Jews stripped of all property, money and wealth and kicked out. Most went to Israel. That has always been part of the conflict that anti Zionist like to blame on’clever shrewd’ Zionist duping dumb Arabs into kicking out their Jews. That is as racist and insulting to Arabs as one can get.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 16, 2018, 10:14 am

        DaBakr: “You know that other great lie the smarmy zionists spread how things were not actually so great living under the Muslim dhimmi rules that restricted almost every aspect of Jewish Arab life and then, after ’48 left less then a tiny fraction of jews in what were once home to over a million.”

        Yes, that’s one Zionist lie, cause the Dhimmi status in the Ottoman empire was abolished in 1856 and the reform proclaimed the principle of equality between Muslims and non-Muslim.” That’s more than the Jewish Apartheid state does where Nonjews live under the goyim rules.

        DaBakr: “And yeah, you can argue about circumstance and detail but there still were about 7-800,000 Arab Jews stripped of all property, money and wealth and kicked out.”

        Yes, that’s another Zionist lie.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries#Criticism_of_Jewish_Naqba_narrative_in_Israel

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      September 15, 2018, 1:36 am

      Whatever she calls herself, she’s a joke.

      I suppose she gets in front of the congregation or whatever you call it and leads them in the daily “Thank you kindly, God, for not having made me a woman!”

      I mean, having imaginary friends is already a bad enough case, but this!

  5. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 14, 2018, 2:14 pm

    “When people deny only the Jewish people’s right to self determination–when they characterize a return to our homeland of 3000 years as a racist, white-colonialist endeavor and call into question Israel’s very right to exist–this Deligitimization is antisemitism”

    The Palestinians being the natives in what is now the state of Israel have the right to self determination. In her mentality they are simply not entitled to this right in a land which has largely been stolen from them and which frustratingly for her and fellow Zionists they simply refuse to abandon and leave entirely to foreigners from Brooklyn , Golders Green etc etc.

    The ” historic homeland” theme has become truly embarassing. The younger generation of Jews whose unquestioning support she is seeking are intelligent , have consciences and morality and despite the Zio brainwashing from birth are seeing through this nonsensical ” return to historic homeland” crap. They also probably pick up on the simple fact that Zionists regularly refer to Arabs/Muslims as living in the Middle Ages and being barbarous and primitive on that account – so by extension Zionist Jews living in the 1st millenium BC must be considered neanderthal and they do not wanted to find themselves in that bracket.

    Calling into question Israel`s right to exist is a historical analysis process. It can be has been and will continue to be applied to many other states and can equally be applied to the potential existence of a Palestinian state or as will be the case a greater Israel Apartheid state. Zionists cannot protest frantically to be a normal legitimate “democratic ” state on the one hand and then protest frantically on the other hand that their state is different or unique or entitled to a totally free pass on their “legitimate” status whilst other states are not.

    “T]he longstanding Israeli Palestinian conflict, which is indeed confounding and upsetting”

    Would be great to have had her give a few examples of what she finds”confounding and upsetting” but then that would have quite naturally blown away all the Hasbaratics and horror of horrors suggested that Israeli Jews are not the only victims – got to enforce that “only real victims in history” registered trademark don`t you know.

    “It means you take risks to get to know someone you might detest in order to change his hate. …”

    I am sure she has plagiarised this statement from a Jeremy Corbyn speech.

    BTW This strange unhinged individual is actually the daughter of a North Korean Buddhist mother and a Romanian Jewish father and when she first “returned” to her 3000 ys old ” historic homeland” LOL she apparently suffered a lot of stick from other Jews allegedly because of the fact that her matriarchal line was decidedly non – Jewish but more probably because as with the black skinned Ethiopian Jews she looks distinctly Asian as opposed to European (as in couldn`t possibly be one of the chosen what with that skin colouring and those facial characteristics).

    “She notes that her experience in Israel was a painful one, where she felt marginalized and invisible” = Anti – Non -Semitism

    Despite her experience of Jewish racism in the chosen land Israel has become her very own DisneyBibleHistoricHomeLand and she is obviously very loyal to it .
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Warnick_Buchdahl

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 15, 2018, 10:59 am

      “Despite her experience of Jewish racism in the chosen land Israel has become her very own DisneyBibleHistoricHomeLand and she is obviously very loyal to it .”

      Not loyal enough, obviously, to give up her privileged life in New York and actually live in the dump. Like so many Western Zionists, she likes the idea of Israel more than the tawdry reality of Israel itself.

      And it’s interesting that she has felt ‘rejected’ as a Jew. It’s often the case that those who are not considered to be truly part of a certain group go out of their way to prove their loyalty to said group. An example might be the Ulster Scots in Northern Ireland, who consider themselves resolutely British even though, as non-conforming Presbyterians, they were kicked out of mainland Britain centuries ago.

  6. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 14, 2018, 3:42 pm

    “Buchdahl is clearly anxious about preserving Israel as a progressive cause.”

    A trader in furs living in exile
    Boy what a kook
    Look at that passport
    Stale bread and paper without privilege
    If you live here learn the language
    When the rain hit the roof
    With the sound of a finished kiss
    Like when a lip lifts from a lip
    I took the wrong road round

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qijs_0IQ-DM

    Israel is a lost cause. Even if all the goys are coralled into submission there is zero discipline in the Israeli army so more women and kids will be murdered.

    Killing ladies and children was never progressive, honey.

  7. John Douglas
    John Douglas
    September 14, 2018, 4:42 pm

    So I am antisemitic if I am more critical of Israel than I am of Assad’s Syria or that horribly run Saudi Arabia, as if bigotry could be the only explanation for my critical eye when it comes to Israel. This is nonsense. What other country so distorts the political process and otherwise harms my country. What other country has American followers, Jews but mostly others, that seeks to subvert the US Bill of rights to punish American citizens who criticize it? From what other country does a bully and liar of a leader receive 29 standing ovations from a joint congress, ovations earned by bribes and threat of loss of their seats? What other country publicly slanders individual American college students who criticize it, threatening them with the inability to get the jobs they are studying for? What other country humiliates the American president for refusing to fight their wars for them? What other country bombs American naval ships, killing American sailors, and pays nothing for the crime? What other country has its American followers pressure the US president to fork over billions of American dollars that could be used for medical care and education for American children and then use the money to murder and maim children and adults in the land of victims’ ancestors? Yes I hold Israel to a different standard. I believe that Israel does has done and is doing great harm to my country. So while other countries have bombed and killed 500 children in two weeks, as Israel did in 2014, they at least leave my country alone.

  8. Michael Lesher
    Michael Lesher
    September 14, 2018, 4:54 pm

    The rabbinate cannot say it hasn’t been warned. Whether it’s “progressive” rabbis or the Orthodox ones who recently had a conference call with Donald Trump — where he bragged about ignoring warnings that opening the embassy in Jerusalem would cost lives, and about how he’s starving Iran — they know too much to plead ignorance.

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/rabbis-trump-told-you-hes-a-maniac-what-are-you-going-to-do-about-it/

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 15, 2018, 1:29 pm

      “The rabbinate cannot say it hasn’t been warned.”

      Perhaps Rabbis don’t realize that the shift of Judaism from a young people’s religion to an old people’s religion is only temporary.

  9. gamal
    gamal
    September 14, 2018, 5:13 pm

    “It seemed this writer was trying to set a record for the most antisemitic dog-whistles in a single article….”

    What’s that, like an epitaph, religious people have no one to blame but themselves for the almost universal contempt in which they are held, always sculking behind the big worldly dogs, you know how often you are embarrassed to speak for religion, I teach it, but not this communal one, but we just a catastrophe of cowardice and double dealing, life is one long struggle.

    and it’s one love…one love..no escape but no blame either, so says the ching, mon brave.

  10. eljay
    eljay
    September 14, 2018, 5:18 pm

    … When people deny only the Jewish people’s right to self determination–when they characterize a return to our homeland of 3000 years as a racist, white-colonialist endeavor and call into question Israel’s very right to exist–this Deligitimization is antisemitism. …

    1. Geographic Palestine was not and still is not the “homeland of 3000 years” of every person in the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

    2. People should have the right to “self-determine” as Jewish. That “self-determination” does not grant to those who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish a right:
    – to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; or
    – to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    3. Supremacism is evil. It is not transformed into virtue when Jews do it.

  11. smithgp
    smithgp
    September 14, 2018, 5:43 pm

    A little OT, but here’s a video of Angela Buchdahl, as Central Synagogue’s cantor, singing Kol Nidre in 2013:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C-8f_SoNqg

    A much better alto than political/cultural commentator.

  12. Yani
    Yani
    September 14, 2018, 8:15 pm

    “issues such as gay rights, feminism or racism, which Jews have long championed”

    Which is it?

    1. Jews have long championed
    2. some Jews have long championed
    3. a minority of Jews have long championed
    4. a minority of Jews have long championed and their humanism is counter to actual Jewish traditions
    5. a minority of Jews have long championed and their humanism is counter to actual Jewish traditions are used to cover the arse of others engaged in ethnic cleansing and apartheid

  13. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    September 14, 2018, 9:24 pm

    “Whose side are you on?” has been the cry of the left for many years and that is what the rabbi is objecting to. She feels that the demand that everyone achieve the level of understanding and commitment of David Rothkopf is inherently unfair. And I believe she is right.

    That will not suffice to get the left to cease and desist. It is in the nature of ideologues to demand compliance with their ideology. Seems to be normal human behavior at this point of our evolution and civilization.

    I’m sure the rabbi is aware of the complications of identity, including Jewish identity or particularly Jewish identity. To assume otherwise seems to be a faulty/condescending premise.

    In 1929, to pick an arbitrary year, about 200,000 Jews out of a world population of 18 million Jews lived in Palestine. In 2018 about 6 million out of 14 million Jews live in Israel and the occupied territories controlled by Israel. The changed dynamics are revolutionary.

    I do not know how to react to the fact that 25 years have elapsed since that moment of optimism of the arafat -rabin handshake on the white house lawn and our current situation and the current leadership of Israel. (Carlos Strenger has a weird piece in Haaretz that makes me in fact open mouthed, really not knowing how to react. and the general situation is not as befuddling as Strenger’s piece, but it certainly leaves me without knowledge of a specific path forward.) https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-days-of-atonement-for-israeli-liberals-1.6470590

    Maybe my confusion is due to my thousands of hours thinking and reading about the Israel Palestine conflict over the last 40 years plus. Maybe some have immediate clarity regarding the issue. But there are those who have achieved the state of “complicated” all on their own, with their own amount of time spent reading and their own identities entangled with the Israel experience. And indeed the left is saying to them, you may not join us unless you have achieved our degree of clarity and our stance.

    The rabbi is standing up against the coercion of the left against these “complicated” thinking Jews, and as far as that goes, she is right.

    • eljay
      eljay
      September 14, 2018, 9:57 pm

      wondering jew September 14, 2018, 9:24 pm

      Always with you it’s so many words just to say that you believe in, support and defend Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      I know there’s no point to this but, just the same, I will put the challenge to you again: How hard is it to say that Zionism is bad?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        September 15, 2018, 4:40 am

        Zionism saved the lives of one branch of my family that was able to flee Poland in the 30’s and survive in Palestine. So therefore I cannot call Zionism bad.

        I try to imagine a Zionist leadership closer in mentality to that of Judah Magnes rather than Ben Gurion, but imaginary is not real. I realize that Zionism has harmed the Palestinian people. Palestinian resistance to Zionism was natural in the 30’s and is natural today.

        In fact in the aftermath of WWII, though antisemitism persisted and Israel was available as a destination for Jews fleeing certain countries, the gates to America and the west were far more open to these fleeing Jews than were the gates of the west in the 20’s and 30’s, so though a destination for some it was not the preferred destination of most fleeing Jews, so the sheer desperate need of my family in the 30’s has not really been duplicated since WWII.

        In my estimation the recalibration of sovereignty over the Land that is contemplated by those who advocate a single democratic state, would probably (between 70 and 90 percent in my estimation) lead to a catastrophic situation for the large majority of Jews living on the Land.

        So I cannot say that Zionism is bad, because it was not bad for fleeing Jews in the 30’s and I cannot say that Zionism is bad, because the usually offered alternative today (as proposed by opponents of Zionism) would be bad for the majority of Jews living in the Land.

        I suspect that there exists an alternative to Zionism that would allow for a new polity to emerge, a polity that could be positive for both Palestinians and Israeli Jews. I am not sure that such an alternative will emerge and I am quite sure that it will not emerge in the near horizon.

        On the subject of antisemitism, I think that those who wish to deny antisemitism its place in the racism category are mistaken. Not because the Jews are a singular race or that Jewish peoplehood is some kind of singularly unchanging concept. (Jewish “peoplehood” today is quite different from what it was in 1881. Though our personal choices are not totally free, because of links of family, memories and upbringing, they are much freer today than they were 140 years ago.)But I think it is untenable for serious people to realize that the most blatant face of racism today in America is expressed by white supremacists who consider Jews a primary enemy and it is not historically tenable to realize this fact and to deny the enmity that the primary racists feel towards Jews.

        I think that classifying the Jews as merely a religious group is myopic and superficial. I think seeing in three dimensions is superior to seeing merely in two dimensions and that a true historical appreciation of the Jewish peoples would not seek brevity and simpletonism to dominate, but would instead look for depth.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 15, 2018, 8:24 am

        || wondering jew @ September 15, 2018, 4:40 am ||

        I didn’t think you’d be able to condemn Jewish supremacism (Zionism) and all of its past and on-going (war) crimes, but I didn’t imagine (although I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised) that it would take you so many words! not to condemn it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 15, 2018, 1:35 pm

        “so many words!”

        “Yonah” ain’t gonna let no lady Rabbi beat his time! You know his motto: “A wondering Jew gathers more wool.”

    • Donald
      Donald
      September 14, 2018, 10:48 pm

      “She feels that the demand that everyone achieve the level of understanding and commitment of David Rothkopf is inherently unfair. And I believe she is right.”

      Your point might be right, but I think you are giving her a very generous misreading. Her point is just the standard one that people who criticize Israel in ways that make her uncomfortable are antisemites.

      Besides, this is America. Nobody forces anyone to read Mondoweiss and it is pretty darn easy to avoid antizionist speeches for people who don’t want to hear them.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 15, 2018, 4:21 am

        “Nobody forces anyone to read Mondoweiss ”

        About time you changed that.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 15, 2018, 1:09 pm

        “Her point is just the standard one that people who criticize Israel in ways that make her uncomfortable are antisemites.”

        Yes, but I have a funny feeling Rabbis like her will cause American kids who are Jewish to develop a simple solution to this discomfort.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 15, 2018, 11:02 am

      @wondering jew

      “Zionism saved the lives of one branch of my family that was able to flee Poland in the 30’s and survive in Palestine. So therefore I cannot call Zionism bad.”

      To call Zionism “bad” is a gross understatement!!

      To wit:
      Beginning in earnest during the late 19th century – i.e., DECADES BEFORE THE RISE OF HITLER, THE HOLOCAUST AND WWII – and formalized by Theodor Herzl, et al, during the first Zionist Congress in 1897, certain western Jewish leaders began devising a scheme to move foreign Ashkenazi Jews en masse to historic Palestine and create a “Jewish state” by forcibly dispossessing and expelling the indigenous Palestinian Arabs who, including their ancestors, had lived there for about 15,000 years -https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full (Their efforts and those of Chaim Weizmann led to the illegal 1917 Balfour Declaration.)

      Herzl’s diaries not only confirm that his objective was the establishment of a “Jewish state” in Palestine, but that it would be an expansionist state. In the year of his death, 1904, he described its borders as being “…in the north the mountains facing Cappadocia [Turkey], in the south, the Suez Canal [Egypt] in the east, the Euphrates [Iraq].” (Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, 11 p. 711)

      Even more revealing as to how Herzl and his fellow Zionists intended to deal with Palestinians is the “Charter for Zionist Colonization of Palestine and Syria” which he drafted sometime between the summer of 1901 and early 1902. Much to his disappointment, however, he was denied the opportunity to present it to the Ottoman Sultanate. Article Vl of the charter called for Istanbul to grant the Zionists, in the form of the Jewish-Ottoman Land Company (JOLC), “complete autonomy, guaranteed by the Ottoman Empire” while Article III gave them in effect, the right to deport the native population to other areas of the empire. Article 111 “[pertained] to the Palestinian and other Arab owners and inhabitants of the three categories of land to be purchased/owned by the JOLC – the large and small private landholdings, the Sultan’s state domain, and the land for which there is no title.”

      Israel Zangwill, the influential Anglo-Jewish essayist and Zionist first believed that the Palestinians would simply “fold their tents and slip away.” It was Zangwill who first voiced the lie that Palestine was a “land without a people, waiting for a people without a land.” (Zangwill, Israel, “The Return to Palestine”, New Liberal Review 11, Dec. 1901 p 627, quoted by David Hirst, The Gun and the Olive Branch, p. 19)

      In 1905, Zangwill contradicted himself during a talk in Manchester when he observed that Palestine was “already twice as thickly populated as the United States…. [W]e must be prepared to either drive out by the sword the [Arab] tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population….” (Zangwill, Speeches, p. 210, quoted by Nur Masalah , Expulsion of the Palestinians, 1992, p. 10)

      In the February 1919 issue of the League of Nations Journal, Zangwill proposed that the Palestinians “should be gradually transplanted” in Arab countries and at a public meeting in the same year he remarked that “many [Palestinians] are semi-nomad, they have given nothing to Palestine and are not entitled to the rules of democracy.” (Jewish Chronicle, Dec. 12 1919, quoted by Masalha, Expulsion…, p.14)

      In 1920, Zangwill proposed in The Voice of Jerusalem, that there should be an “‘Arab exodus’…based on ‘race redistribution’ or a ‘trek like that of the Boers from Cape Colony,’ which he advocated as ‘literally the only way out of the difficulty of creating a Jewish State in Palestine.’” He continued: “We cannot allow the Arabs to block so valuable a piece of historic reconstruction….To fold their tents and silently steal away is their proverbial habit: let them exemplify it now.” (Zangwill, The Voice of Jerusalem, p. 103, quoted by Masalha, EOTP pp. 13- 14)

      Other Zionist leaders saw the future Jewish state in Palestine not only free of Arabs, but the first step towards the creation of a much larger country. In 1918, Ben-Gurion described the future borders of the Jewish state as: “to the north, the Litani River; to the northeast, the Wadi’Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into the Sinai at least up to Wadi al-`Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan.” (Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, pp. 34-34; cited by Nur Masalah, Expulsion of the Palestinians, …, p. 87)

      In 1930, when despite ever increasing immigration, Jews privately owned only about four per cent of Palestine, Arthur Ruppin, a pivotal figure in political Zionism wrote that displacement of Arab farmers was inevitable because “land is the most necessary thing for our establishing roots in Palestine. Since there are hardly any more arable unsettled lands in Palestine, we are bound in each case of the purchase of land and its settlement to remove the peasants who cultivated the land so far, both owners of the land and tenants.” (Rashid Khalidi, in Blaming the Victims)

      In 1930, Britain’s Shaw Commission concluded: “The plain facts of the case are that there is no further land available which can be occupied by new immigrants without displacing the present population.” (Palestine Royal Commission Report, July 1937, Cmd. 5479, p. 176; cited by Alan George, JPS, #30, Winter, 1979, p. 91.)

      The views of the Shaw Commission were echoed by John Chancellor, Britain’s high commissioner for Palestine. In a memorandum to Colonial Secretary, Lord Passfield, dated 17 January 1930, he called for a complete suspension of Jewish immigration and land purchase to protect Arab agriculture, pointing out that “all cultivable land was occupied; that no cultivable land now in possession of the indigenous population could be sold to Jews without creating a class of landless Arab cultivators.”

      What happened in Palestine between late 1947 and 1949 was described by eye-witness Nathan Chofshi, a Jewish immigrant from Russia, who arrived in Palestine in 1908 in the same group as David Ben-Gurion: “…we old Jewish settlers in Palestine who witnessed the flight know how and in what manner we, Jews, forced the Arabs to leave cities and villages…some of them were driven out by force of arms; others were made to leave by deceit, lying and false promises. It is enough to cite the cities of Jaffa, Lydda, Ramle, Beersheba, Acre from among numberless others.” (Jewish Newsletter, New York, February 9, 1959; quoted by Erskine Childers in “The Other Exodus, in From Haven to Conquest, ed. Professor Walid Khalidi, Harvard, p. 800)

      Chofshi was deeply ashamed of what his fellow Jews did to the Palestinians: “We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we dare to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and of trying to undo some of the evil we committed…we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them.” (Nathan Chofshi, Jewish Newsletter, February 9, 1959; ibid, p. 803)

      In 2004, when asked by Ha’aretz journalist, Ari Shavit, what new information his just completed revised version of The Birth of the Palestinian Problem 1947-1949 would provide, Israeli historian Benny Morris replied: “It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.” (Ha’aretz, January 9, 2004)

      As determined by Walter Walter Eytan, then Director General of “Israel’s” Foreign Ministry, 800,000 Palestinians were dispossessed and expelled from their homeland between late 1947 and 1948. It was accomplished Jewish militias and the IDF by means of armed might, several massacres, mass rape and intimidation. As a consequence of the war Israel launched on 5 June, 1967, a further 250,000 were driven out.

      So what has Zionism wrought? Undeniably, a thoroughly documented racist, fascistic, expansionist ethnic cleanser, a brutal/illegal occupier and a serial violator of hard won international law that is still utterly dependent on the U.S. and rapidly becoming an international pariah. In short, 70 years of trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. The writing is on the wall. Read it!!

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      September 15, 2018, 4:20 pm

      Such little content in your rants, yonah.

      As always, you will riff off of anything as shallow as yourself so that you don’t have to actually substantiate your ‘feelings’.

      There is no Jewish State without a Jewish majority. There is no Jewish majority without war and colonialism.

      Israel is an apartheid colonial-settler State in the 21st century.

      That is why it is hated. Underneath whatever antisemitism that exists is the simple truth that you do not NEED antisemitism to hate Israel.

      There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Israel because there are legitimate reasons to hate colonialism, propaganda, theft, mass murder, assassinations, false imprisonment, segregation, etc. etc. etc.

      The singular problem with Zionists like yourself and the Rabbi is narcissism.

  14. niass2
    niass2
    September 14, 2018, 11:15 pm

    AS a Jew I can single out Jews for their wacky and uncivil behavior. It is in Israel so we yes in this case are singling out the place where the people are doing it. Just like when an alcoholic sees another acting self destructively they offer to help. Its an offer of critical help, and maybe if your problem is that bad, being singled out might make you wonder why you appear to be abnormal. If I am telling Myanmar to act better to be ready for prime time as a Nation, I need to tell Myanmar. Call it a conversation, not being singled out. The first part is deciding you have a problem. You alone can do that, so your going to be singled out and your going to blame yourself for the problems you are creating. . Now, Just don’t drink for 24 hours. Its not all about you all the time.

  15. niass2
    niass2
    September 14, 2018, 11:42 pm

    I need to think about that and those who adopt Judaism from various backgrounds.. My German American friend, whose parents were kids of actual SS, has converted to Judaism, and now will no longer talk to me as I am an “Anti-Semitic.” Jew, or so she says. She must have seen something I wrote about I/P. The thing is, she isn’t a moran so I don’t really know what happened, except she accepted Zionism, not Judaism. Either way Zionism is one hell of a drug and like alcohol, it ruins friendships and whole nations.

  16. Brewer
    Brewer
    September 15, 2018, 4:15 am

    Please pardon an irreverent Kiwi for stating the obvious but down here on the underside we don’t have too many elephants in our landscape, let alone in our rooms. Never having had even a fully dressed Emperor, one sans vêtements kinda stands out. I cannot help but remark:
    Buchdahl was born in Seoul, South Korea, to a Japanese-born Korean Buddhist mother, Sulja Yi Warnick, and Frederick David Warnick, an American Ashkenazi Reform Jew, whose ancestors emigrated from Moinești, Romania, and Russia to the United States.

    Buchdahl has right of return to Palestine.
    The descendants of around a million people who can trace their lineage back a thousand years or more in that land do not.

    I would like the Zionists who frequent this blog to explain to me how this could be so.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 15, 2018, 9:35 am

      Brewer,
      I doubt very much that anyone outside of some aristocrats can “trace their heritage a thousand years”. Either way, the “Zionists” don’t owe you an explanation. It’s just the way it is: Israël has nukes and you have a boycott of Dr Pepper. So you can accept the reality or not accept it and let it destroy your mental health. But it is how it is because of the power balance, like all else in life.

      • annie
        annie
        September 15, 2018, 10:50 am

        like you can accept the reality interested parties are spending 100’s of millions fighting BDS because it’s a serious threat to israel, or not accept it and let it destroy your mental health.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 15, 2018, 11:13 am

        The thing about ‘power balances’ is, they change. Turkey once ruled much of Europe. Greece was once the centre of the Western world, now it can’t pay its bills. Israel didn’t exist 100 years ago; it probably won’t exist 100 years from now. That’s the way of the world.

        Besides, Israel’s ‘power’ is really only an extension of American power. Israel itself is nothing special. A country with a population the size of Scotland’s, with few natural resources and an army which hasn’t won a war in 40 years and counting. The minute the Yanks discard it, and/or America is no longer a global power, Israel is in deep do-do. It’s a question not of if, but of when.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 15, 2018, 11:23 am

        catalan: “It’s just the way it is: Israël has nukes and you have a boycott of Dr Pepper.”

        South Africa had nukes, too. And contrary to you Israel understands that it is not only about Dr. Pepper. I think you do, too. Otherwise your obsessive comments against BDS make no sense. ROFL. Continue to endulge us.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 15, 2018, 11:40 am

        “not accept it and let it destroy your mental health.” Annie
        I accept that BDS is forever – given that its goal is the return of 10 million hostile refugees to Israel – there is no way Israel would ever submit to its demands. However, of course Israel will fight it with millions of dollars – just because you cannot ever defeat crime or cancer doesn’t mean you stop spending money to mitigate them. I view it as paying the utility bill – the boycotters will boycott, you pay to neutralize them, life goes on (good life for Israelis, bad life for Gazans).
        As to the change of power balances – of course they do. It’s possible that one day the Arabs and the Iranians have the upper hand over Israel. But I choose to live my life in the present and in the present, Israel can inflict extraordinary damage on the enemy. I don’t make predictions and I don’t trust when others make them either.
        And the comparison with South Africa – that country was 90 percent black Africans. Israel has a lot more favorable ratio and a better army. But I guess we will have to wait and see. In the meantime, Israel has higher GDP per capita than France and Gaza is where it is. It’s kind of funny how you”win” the game on Mondo but meanwhile Israelis are enjoying a great standard of living.

      • James North
        James North
        September 15, 2018, 11:49 am

        Catalan: Why do you waste so much time on Mondoweiss attacking BDS? Your critique has 2 parts: 1) You don’t like BDS. 2) BDS is an inept joke, an ineffectual boycott of “Dr. Pepper” and “Kleenex.”

        I understand 1). But if you truly believe 2), why do you waste so much time here? I may not like the Flat Earth Society, but I don’t comment at their website 5 times a day.

        Maybe you really don’t believe 2)?

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 15, 2018, 12:05 pm

        I may not like the Flat Earth Society, but I don’t comment at their website 5 times a day.” James
        It is because I am fascinated with the minds of true believers. I think that “BDS” has become an institution. And once something becomes an institution, people stop questioning it. It starts a life of its own. Even the three letters – why not four or two? Like “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. Why not life, liberty and health. Or life, safety and money? It doesn’t matter because an institution is defended for its own sake, it clouds the judgement. So everything that contradicts it is explained away. It just fascinates me, the bug that gets in people’s minds, whether it is “boycott Kleenex” or boycott Cuba, or all the religious nonsense. It’s just amazing.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 15, 2018, 12:10 pm

        *in the present, Israel can inflict extraordinary damage on the enemy.*

        A teenager with a gun can inflict extraordinary damage. Big deal. The fact is Israel hasnt won a war in getting on for half a century, and its options against regional powers like Iran are very few, unless of course Uncle Sam does the heavy lifting for them.

        “. Israel has a lot more favorable ratio and a better army.”

        As I’ve said above, Israel’s army isn’t very good. Its air force is, but an air force alone can’t achieve that much, especially when your ground army consists mostly of middle-aged dads.

        “meanwhile Israelis are enjoying a great standard of living.”

        You mean like massive rates of inequality, mediocre education, poor social services and a dependence on hand-outs from the Gentiles? Not to mention a deeply ugly society.

        If Israel is such a fab place to live, why does hardly anyone from first world socities choose to take up up residence there?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 15, 2018, 1:15 pm

        “I doubt very much that anyone outside of some aristocrats can “trace their heritage a thousand years”. “

        But, of course, that all changes when we get back to 2000 years-ago (because of the complete documentation of the period) when the Jewish deed to Palestine chiseled out of the very rocks!

        And don’t forget the intervening years of ‘natural increase’ and genetic purity which validates the deal.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 15, 2018, 2:24 pm

        “catalan” do you have a Facebook page?

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 15, 2018, 3:12 pm

        || catalan: … once something becomes an institution, people stop questioning it. It starts a life of its own. … It doesn’t matter because an institution is defended for its own sake, it clouds the judgement. … ||

        Thank you for that truly excellent explanation of Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism (Zionism).

      • Brewer
        Brewer
        September 15, 2018, 6:13 pm

        Catalan.
        “I doubt very much that anyone outside of some aristocrats can “trace their heritage a thousand years””

        They don’t have to, Ariella Openheim, geneticist at Hebrew University has done it for them :
        “descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times, albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized”.

        As for the interlopers, Prof. Israel Bartal, dean of the humanities faculty of the Hebrew University, president of the Israeli Historical Society has stated:

        “No “nationalist” Jewish historian has ever tried to conceal the well-known fact that conversions to Judaism had a major impact on Jewish history in the ancient period and in the early Middle Ages. Although the myth of an exile from the Jewish homeland (Palestine) does exist in popular Israeli culture, it is negligible in serious Jewish historical discussions. Important groups in the Jewish national movement expressed reservations regarding this myth or denied it completely.”

        Can I take it that you have abandoned any pretense to morality or rights. That the legitimacy of the apartheid state is entirely down to ” Israël has nukes ” ?
        That is actually two admissions that run against the official line.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 16, 2018, 8:06 am

        @((((JM)))))))

        Oh James, you often bring up moose sock puppet but it now seems mooser has his hand inside you and your sweaty argyls. don’t you have enough power accumulated at mw to change policy and ban annoying zionists? ace op-ed man?
        . I don’t want to speak for catln but I can explain why zionists continue to post here despite your (and others) exasperation as a waste of time.(thanks for the reminder) . Also, many of the hardcore Zionist haters are convinced beyond all reasoning that connected here not anti Zionist area ALL, to a T, working as some sort of agent of the government. Sure, there as are professional people who train others in hasbara which is just a mild form of propaganda. And yes, we have units trained in serious propaganda. The Arabs do as well but y’all like to make it sound so insidious. Fine.
        . Zionists will continue to post here until zionists and other pro israel comments are banned. The answer is simple: because some can, some have to and others want to. I have seen sites run like private little sandboxes where all commenters roll around in their own muck. At least, and it’s a very small at least but it’s an at least. At least mondoweiss allows aggressive responses to aggressive propositions. True, I don’t think you allow linking to Zionist sites that oppose you but by doing so your readers miss some very disappointing news. Or they know but just don’t want to hear about it. That I can understand.
        But you… Not mooser. Asking why a Zionist would post here is a real peach James. You mean like, if we don’t have anything constructive to say don’t say it? don’t answer to many blatent distortions and some lies (commenters mostly but not always) What cooks any Zionist hope to change here? Gee, I don’t know. But I’ll let you in on a little secret. If one doesn’t want to watch the boob tube, is tired of reading about idiotic American pres. And, has an interest in history, conflict, Zionism, Arabs, etc it can be a damn entertaining place to rant. And ranting is what mw comments are all about. Annie is chief of debate and everyone has a thing.
        . But I often wonder what all the 100s of viewers who do not comment think about when they read posts here.
        I understand you believe your trying to improve the world you see around you. Congratulations. I wouldn’t want to upset anybody by saying israel has had the same ideas. Of course not.

        But Phil? He’s not going to like this liberal reform jew rabbi lady teaching her cong what anti-semitism is. All his hopes area based on liberal Jews turning down Zionism. And sure, there is a trend now but pw doesn’t want to believe the trend is starting to balance out with American kids not raised ultra orthodox moving to Israel in numbers. How long they stay? Don’t know. But Europe Jews are coming and staying. Other Israelis are going to Berlin. Crazy.
        Hopefully the Arabs will stop worshipping their tenacity and negotiate a workable peace that won’t collapse into war when things get difficult. That’s what losers of conflict, wether outta fair, unfair, their fault, not their fault do. Or…. They keep on fighting. I know who has the choice however and laying down arms is always a choice one makes with a more powerful enemy. They still need to get over the fact we are Jews. It’s tough to be a Muslim in the middle East and accept Jews as powerful, not just’clever’ and good with money.

        And for the record: BDS and this great march of return(the kites killing thousands of animal species and food crops specifically. ) have been huge headaches for us. Not sure why zionists would deny it? but again, we’ve had headaches for over 100 years here. And I am sorry but I do believe that the Hamas controls very tightly who among militants exposes themselves to civilians or not. I believe the female and male nurses killed were working for Hamas and there is no reason to smear them for doing so. Israel has had female combatants for ever

      • James North
        James North
        September 16, 2018, 2:00 pm

        Your rant missed my point. I didn’t ask why Zionists comment here; I’m delighted they do. I asked Catalan why he devoted so much time to arguing that BDS was a joke, when his own behavior — and that of pro-Israel forces everywhere, who are trying to criminalize even advocating for it — suggests that he and they are afraid of BDS as it continues to grow. I asked him why he didn’t spend time over at the Flat Earth Society website, and he didn’t answer me.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 16, 2018, 1:26 pm

        “Dabakr”, you are muttering again. Ugly resentful muttering, which does not show Zionism, for one thing (I say no more) in a good light.

      • annie
        annie
        September 16, 2018, 1:42 pm

        dabakr woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 16, 2018, 1:55 pm

        || annie: dabakr woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. ||

        And with a case of verbal diarrhea. Either that or ZioHQ has decided to start paying him per word…   ;-)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 16, 2018, 5:28 pm

        ” If one doesn’t want to watch the boob tube, is tired of reading about idiotic American pres. And, has an interest in history, conflict, Zionism, Arabs, etc it can be a damn entertaining place to rant”

        Mostly because you have worn out your welcome at Zionist sites.

        And ranting at Mondo sure beats talking to Israelis. I hear Israelis can be quite cynical about the place and its leaders.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 15, 2018, 11:28 am

      @Brewer

      Well said!!

      BTW:
      Recent in depth DNA analysis has conclusively proven that including their ancestors, Palestinians have lived continuously between the River and the Sea for about 15,000 years.

      http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
      Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087

      EXCERPT:
      “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”
      “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”
      Furthermore:

      “The non-Levantine origin of AJs [Ashkenazi Jews] is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans.”

      “Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) and rule out an ancient Levantine origin for AJs, which is predominant among modern-day Levantine populations (e.g., Bedouins and Palestinians). This is not surprising since Jews differed in cultural practices and norms (Sand, 2011) and tended to adopt local customs (Falk, 2006). Very little Palestinian Jewish culture survived outside of Palestine (Sand, 2009). For example, the folklore and folkways of the Jews in northern Europe is distinctly pre-Christian German (Patai, 1983) and Slavic in origin, which disappeared among the latter (Wexler, 1993, 2012).”

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        September 15, 2018, 7:21 pm

        DNA? Paleo-this-and-that? Oh, facts! Israel cares not about facts but about acts (her own, mostly). And fabrications and myths, of course.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 16, 2018, 2:41 pm

      I “asked him why he didn’t spend time over at the Flat Earth Society website, and he didn’t answer me.” James
      My answer is that I care about the Palestinians and I want to see them have good standard of living, healthcare and the rest of it. I think that BDS, with its impossible demands, makes this goal even less attainable. The goal of BDS is to harm Israel and how much it harms it, I don’t know and it’s a matter of debate. However, regardless of how much harm it causes, let’s say there is an economic recession in Israel, there is no logical path from that to meeting the demand to accept the 10 million refugees. It might be that this is just politics and BDS would be satisfied with less. Either way, this is all academic and BDS has shifted the debate from a feasible compromise to a nonsensical discussion about Kleenex and Lana Del Rey. I have no major stake in the conflict but it pains me to see the Palestinians sentenced to poverty due to BDS. It’s like socialism – it means well but it ends with Venezuela.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 16, 2018, 5:14 pm

        Catalan: “My answer is that I care about the Palestinians and I want to see them have good standard of living, healthcare and the rest of it. … The goal of BDS is to harm Israel and how much it harms it, I don’t know and it’s a matter of debate.”

        This focus on the existence of Israel is not only pathetic, but truly fascist. It puts the regime (and its existence) above humans whose rights are violated. And you care more for the regime than for humans who are harmed by this regime. It is obvious that all you care about is Zionist dominance and interests.

        Catalan: “Either way, this is all academic and BDS has shifted the debate from a feasible compromise to a nonsensical discussion about Kleenex and Lana Del.”

        No Catalan. That is your constant shift, because you don’t want to admit that it is not “feasible” for Apartheid Israel to restore the rights of Nonjews in Palestine even if it is just about equality. Cause you believe deep inside of you that Jews are more equal than Nonjews.

  17. chocopie
    chocopie
    September 15, 2018, 4:59 am

    She only cares about Jews and doesn’t care about Palestinians. The “longstanding Israeli Palestinian conflict” she mentions in passing is about one group taking land away and evicting the other group, so it is not merely “confounding and upsetting.” It’s a travesty, an outrage, and an ongoing crime and if Jewish families were trapped in Gaza with poisoned water and no access to cancer treatment and shot dead for protesting, this crummy Rabbi would be singing a completely different tune.

    People who care about the humanity of Palestinians are not going to be scared off by being called antisemites. She can call me whatever she wants. I know what she is: she is a Romanian Korean who thinks she has rights to Palestine that actual living and breathing Palestinians don’t. She thinks she’s entitled to rights that she denies to others.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 15, 2018, 2:27 pm

      Oh, a Romanian Korean. There goes the Chosun-Chosen thing.

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        September 15, 2018, 7:22 pm

        Lovely!

  18. pjdude
    pjdude
    September 15, 2018, 10:31 am

    its almost funny considering zionist jews use belief in zionism as a litmus test for jews.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 15, 2018, 1:16 pm

      But Zionism does not use belief in Judaism as a litmus test. Curious.

  19. Talkback
    Talkback
    September 15, 2018, 11:43 am

    It’s antisemitic to reject Jewish exceptionalism. Got it!

  20. Joshua Laskin
    Joshua Laskin
    September 15, 2018, 11:55 am

    “Someday Returning to Zion,” for Jews, was an abstract belief in reunification in the distant future, as a means of preserving tribal identity and loyalty in the Diaspora. The idea of a Jewish state was broadly considered highly dangerous, sure to provoke antisemitic backlash. But when nationalism, which had been seen as “false messiah,” swept through Europe in the 19th century, Jews weren’t all immune. In the 20th century, successful/integrated Diaspora Jews, fearing for their status, fought back against Jewish nationalism; but were outnumbered by the new waves of poor immigrant Jews, excited by the prospect of a Jewish land-grab. Everyone knew that Arabs would need to be removed; but, brown-skinned, rural people, in general, weren’t considered fully human. Magnes was one of the few Americans to actually move there, with his family; and, unlike the Europeans, for whom racism was the norm, he could see that the only realistic path of peace, was bi-nationalism. But being ‘right,’ and $2, will get you a cup of coffee; as they say. ‘2000-Year-Return,’ was re-crafted for defending the indefensible. As predicted, a state is turbocharging global antisemitism; and, the Diaspora increasingly recognizes this liability; especially now early Israeli secularism has waned, and religious-nationalism dominates. But still, many good folks, like this lady in white, just can’t let go her identity-nation’s beachfront property. It’s safe to assume, Diaspora Zionists will hang on to their ethno-colony; ’til finally forced, by political realities, to loose their ownership grip, and let it return to its own people.

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      September 15, 2018, 5:04 pm

      There was also, by some contrast, the ‘everyone wins’ argument for Zionism, found principally in Altneuland – maybe self-deceptive but there.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 15, 2018, 10:47 pm

        My guess is that there could have been an ‘everyone wins’ outcome to Jewish immigration into Palestine, but not with Zionism.

        If the Jewish immigrants had brought useful skills and been prepared to integrate into Palestinian society, Palestine could have been a far better place than it is now.

        But they chose replacement instead of integration.

  21. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 15, 2018, 1:01 pm

    A litmus test? Disloyalty toward Israel? Well, ahem, about time — considering all these years (really since 1967) of an implied loyalty oath toward Israel — and that litmus test was never questioned by the usual suspects, was it? And here we have anti-BDS legislation in every sort of jurisdiction, evidence of pro-Israel pressure and suspicious declarations of “loyalty” to Israel (and not just from Jews at all, at all) at every hand and they complain of a slight motion in the other direction?

  22. yogurt
    yogurt
    September 15, 2018, 4:59 pm

    “Lat spring… about the shifting landscape for European Jews. I asked if she had any word of advice for us.”

    She refers to herself as a European Jew. Clearly she is of East Asian descent. I wonder if this was just the wrong choice of words or if this is actually how she views herself. Maybe this can partially explain why she is a sell-out when it comes to supporting fellow people of color.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 15, 2018, 7:15 pm

      Does she meet the requirements of the Israel Nation-State Law?

      I mean, conversion is one thing, but genes are another.

    • gamal
      gamal
      September 15, 2018, 7:47 pm

      “Clearly she is of East Asian descent”

      trying to pass? like Merle Oberon

      well you know what they say Jews don’t own any Casinos, the Israelites..aah

      i don’t think people realise that these stoned peasants hit the religious nail right on its head,

      “Get up in the morning, slaving for bread, sir
      So that every mouth can be fed
      oh oh the Israelites Aah”

      religion. real religion really will fuckup your worldly life, but sure you can’t have it all

      “Shirt them a-tear up, trousers is gone
      I don’t want to end up like Bonnie and Clyde
      oh oh the Israelites”

      https://youtu.be/83Y2hv-3UCM

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 16, 2018, 1:29 pm

        You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you might find, you get what you need.

  23. dianeshammas
    dianeshammas
    September 15, 2018, 7:32 pm

    Like a few people who posted I also checked out Rabbi Buchdahl’s bio on Wikipedia–not that Wikipedia is always the most reliable fact checker, but what I find is very telling is converts to any religion often not always ironically end up parodizing the said religion.

    On Yom Kippur, one of the holiest days in Judaism, the Day of Atonement, her lithmus test of being a religious leader should have been to rally her congregation to practice what is at the core of Judaism, their humanity, to end the occupation in Palestine, the siege on Gaza, and the settler colonial state that manifests itself in Israeli government policy against Palestinians (e.g, the recent legislation being, Israel’s nation state law) , relegating Israeli Palestinian citizens to second class citizens, and all forms of racial discrimination against Palestinians). Lamentably, this is not in Buchdahl’s orbit.

    As others have pointed out she utters so many objectionable statements. Her first line of her sermon about Russell Walker is a dead give away that she is going to conflate white supremacists with those critical of Israel.

    Her views do not surprise me especially after watching her panel discussion with David Gregory and Yossi Klein Halevi on CSPAN, where she faults the media’s split screen of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner arrival at the opening of the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem juxtaposed with Israel’s mowing down Palestinian protesters in Gaza, which she claims is unnuanced reporting and divorced from the reality of Israel’s security problem. Really? One was hard put to find mainstream media displaying any empathy towards the Palestinian protesters, you had to go to alternative media to find that. In the same CSPAN Halevi comments on Israel’s rapprochement with Saudi Arabia, I have to chuckle as Saudi Arabian textbooks are rife with some of the most virulent forms of Anti-semitism.

    Just recently I was selected by an education research association to review a 15 page, conference proposal on Antisemitism for its peace research association. The author proposed a survey of Jewish and non-Jewish residents in one of the whitest communities and states in the Southeast U.S. , with a 2 % population of Jewish Americans. If ever there were a test of Allport’s theory on the likelihood of prejudice and discrimination arising from having no contact with a religious outgroup. The author’s conclusion was strong evidence of Anti-semitism. Apart from the author’s blanket statements , the weakness of the survey design and methodology was enough to criticize.

    The good news is that I see a silver lining in all of this, I think all of us that are committed to justice in Palestine, our years of hard work is paying off. I see a significant difference with Zionist friends of mine, Jews and non-Jews alike, that now will listen to my experiences living in Gaza and my views on the situation without having this percolating, paralyzing anxiety of being shut down or off. We will see more of this blowback in the form of poor scholarship on Anti-semitism, As other posters have mentioned, where Anti-semitism exists as we know there has been a dramatic rise in Antisemitism in Europe, what is actually fueling it. The mainstream media likes to point to the offspring of colonized Arabs in Europe committing these crimes—and explanations have been put forth for their occurrence–rather than on the various National Fronts, Le Pen and their ilk all throughout Europe. It is quite curious that Israel is supportive of the right wing Ukrainian nationalist protesters that were spewing Anti-semitic slogans.

  24. Pdxmuscle@comcast.net
    [email protected]
    September 15, 2018, 10:53 pm

    In summary, what I got is that right wing Anti-Semitism is when people have a problem with Jews as Jews. Left wing anti-Semitism is when people have problems with Israel and its behavior. She doesn’t see a difference. My other favorite part is when she talks about Litmus Tests. She is quite happy to have Litmus Tests for Blacks when the subject is Louis Farrakhan and his racism. But in her mind a Litmus Test for Jews in regards to AIPAC and Zionist racism is totally unwarranted. I totally get that most humans are hypocrites. But, if I were one of those high schoolers or college students she was talking to, I’d see through her pretty easy.

  25. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 16, 2018, 10:35 am

    “when they characterize a return to our homeland of 3000 years as a racist, white-colonialist endeavor and call into question Israel’s very right to exist–this Deligitimization is antisemitism”

    Words of wisdom all the way from Korea where it would appear at least one Jewish family unit fled to from those nasty Romans. Thank Yahweh Korean chosen people have got the “right of return.” And no it is not repeat not a Korean colonialist endeavour. It is blatantly Anti – Semitic to say so.

    “When the Israeli Defense Force is characterized as terrorists, or Nazis, wantonly killing Palestinians in a “genocide,” this Demonization is antisemitism…”

    So all you horrible lefties out there stop demonizing the Elor Azarias in Zioland that is Anti – Semitism.

    The more you read what she has said , the more you reflect on her lineage , the more you actually study her facial characteristics the more you realize what an absurdity Zionism was is and forever shall be. Amen Rabbi.

    BTW You have probably got a “right of return” to Korea as well as a “right of return” to Zioland.

    Suggest North Korea you will fit right in.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      September 16, 2018, 3:04 pm

      When the founders, leaders and proponents saw it as colonialist venture then clearly it is despite current day attempts to reframe it otherwise.

  26. Talkback
    Talkback
    September 16, 2018, 5:00 pm

    “… this Deligitimization is antisemitism …
    … this Double Standard is antisemitism …
    … this Demonization is antisemitism …”

    Anything else that should be antisemitism without any rational explanation? How about anything that Zionist Jews are not amused with?

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