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Trump’s move on occupied Golan– yet another item on Israel’s expansionist wishlist

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On Thursday, US Ambassador to UN Nikki Haley, announced that she will not be abstaining, but rather voting against, a General Assembly resolution that calls Israel’s unilateral annexation (since 1981) and settlement (since 1967) of the Syrian Golan heights a flagrant violation of international law.

This would be a first, because earlier on, the US had abstained on that position, which is basically a yearly reiteration of earlier resolutions pertaining to the Syrian Golan, occupied by Israel since 1967.

Thus, as with the US embassy move to Jerusalem, legitimizing Israel’s unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem (also in flagrant violation of international law), the US is now legitimizing Israel’s forceful takeover of the Syrian Golan. The US and Israel are thus openly defying the rest of the world in the UN, claiming that yet another chip in the Greater Israel plan is now Israel’s, international law be damned.


The UN Charter principle regarding the inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by force

The resolutions against Israel all relate to the UN Charter, its founding document in the wake of WW 2. A principle there, which has been repeated over and over again in UN Security Council resolutions regarding Israel’s 1967 occupation, is the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force. This principle was central in the preamble of UNSC Resolution 242 calling upon Israel to withdraw armed forces from territories it had occupied in the 1967 war; it was repeated in UNSC Resolution 476 of 1980, which condemned Israel’s unilateral annexation of Jerusalem (de-facto from 1967, but de-jura in ‘Basic-law’ 1980) and stated that it had no legal validity and was a flagrant violation of international law; and it was again repeated in UNSC Resolution 497 (1981), which regarded Israel’s annexation of the Syrian Golan heights (in ‘Basic-law’) as null and void and without international legal effect.

This principle is so central, because the whole point of the UN was to ensure a post-WW 2 world wherein force would not be the determining factor of international relations.

But Israel wasn’t going to abide by international law and didn’t seem to care much if the UN Charter founding document was flouted. Israel didn’t get into the UN in order to abide by international law – it got into it in order to gain legitimacy so that it could continue violating international law, with the protection of a patron that could secure that condemnation mostly remained in words and not materialize too much in deeds.

Thus, Israel has been waiting, creating ‘facts on the ground’, in hope that at some point, these facts will be retroactively legitimized as ‘reality’. This is basically the working principle of the settler-colonialist venture which we know as Zionism.


Israeli Intelligence Minister said that recognition of Israeli control of Golan was “topping the agenda”

Already last May, Israeli Intelligence Minister Yisrael Katz said that endorsement of Israel’s 51-year-old hold on the Golan was “topping the agenda” in bilateral diplomatic talks with the US. He framed it as a supposed punishment of Iran:

“This is the perfect time to make such a move. The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognize Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation, enshrined [in law]”.

Katz said it was only a matter of months before this materializes.

Since then, we’ve heard differing statements. Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton said in August that a formal US endorsement of Israel’s control over the Golan Heights was not under discussion. However, David Friedman, Trump’s ambassador to Israel (and former personal lawyer), said the next month that he expected Israel to keep the Golan Heights “forever”.

So now it’s clear and in the open. The US will go with Friedman’s “forever” notion. No more pretending, no more ambivalence.


Israeli officials jubilant, calling resolution “despicable”

Naturally, Israeli officials were jubilant when Haley announced:

“The United States will no longer abstain when the United Nations engages in its useless annual vote on the Golan Heights.”

And they loved her statement that

“the resolution is plainly biased against Israel”.

This is a classical Israeli hasbara point, that the UN is biased against Israel and that it is singling it out for condemnation. Thus, Israeli Public Security and Hasbara Minister Gilad Erdan called Haley’s statement and position “extremely important”. Israeli UN Ambassador Danny Danon called the resolution “despicable” and added:

“It is time the world distinguishes those who stabilise the region from those who sow terror”.

Haley retweeted Dannon’s message.

Of course, it is unthinkable that the US is biased towards Israel.


The resolution itself

So let’s look at that resolution. The basic text is known as “The occupied Syrian Golan”, here retrieved from the 2005 version:

“Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the relevant resolutions on the occupied Syrian Golan, in particular Security Council resolution 497 (1981); also calls upon Israel to desist from changing the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure and legal status of the occupied Syrian Golan and in particular to desist from the establishment of settlements; determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken or to be taken by Israel, that purport to alter the character and legal status of the occupied Syrian Golan are null and void, constitute a flagrant violation of international law and of the Geneva Convention and have no legal effect; calls upon Israel to desist from imposing Israeli citizenship and Israeli identity cards on the Syrian citizens; deplores the violations by Israel of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protections of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 Aug. 1949; calls once again upon Member States not to recognize any of the legislative or administrative measures and actions referred to above; requests the Secretary-General to report to the General Assembly at its 60th session on the implementation of the present resolution.”

This is the “biased” and “despicable” resolution, according to Haley and Dannon.


The history of Israel overtaking the Syrian Golan

Israel has long claimed that the 1967 war was a defensive war. But statements from many Israeli officials contradict this. Israel started the war with an attack on Egypt, as even Prime Minister Menahem Begin admitted outright in 1982:

“In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian President Gamal abdel Nasser] was really about to attack us.  We must be honest with ourselves.  We decided to attack him.”

The Israeli deliberations, as Defense Minister Moshe Dayan also revealed in his memoirs, were essentially concerning how to lie about it – whether it should be a big or a small lie. The big lie meant a concocted scenario in which the Egyptians would be the ones who fired the first shot, opened with an aerial and ground attack “in which we returned fire, and that is how the war began”. He opposed that plan, because “every lie will be found out in the end and could have serious consequences”, and this would “waste the moral and just setting of our actions”.

The small lie, which Dayan preferred, was:

“Right after the aerial attack, there will be a general announcement that won’t go into details and won’t say anything about who attacked first – something along the lines of ‘Hostilities broke out,’ and then the background that made it necessary for Israel to break the noose.”

Nasser was actually showing muscle in solidarity with Syria, with which he had an agreement, responding to signs and information indicating that an Israeli war with Syria might be imminent.

The battle with Syria came on the fourth day of the war. It was initiated by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, when he went behind the back of Prime Minister Levy-Eshkol as well as the whole cabinet. Dayan gave the directive straight to Chief of Northern Command David Elazar in the morning, although the matter had been left undecided in an evening cabinet meeting.

In a later interview in 1976, Dayan revealed the motivations to go to war with Syria in a rather unfettered manner. The interview only came to light in 1997 (in the Israeli Yediot Aharonot and translated in New York Times). Here, Dayan tells how the clashes with Syria preceding the war started:

”I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let’s talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was”.

Dayan explained that the real motive behind the provocations and the subsequent conquest was actually just greed – greed for the land:

”The kibbutzim there saw land that was good for agriculture,” he said. ”And you must remember, this was a time in which agricultural land was considered the most important and valuable thing.”

The interviewer was wondering whether there really was no ‘security’ issue here. ”So all the kibbutzim wanted was land?” he asked.

Dayan, while confirming that they of course “wanted the Syrians to get out of their face”, nevertheless said:

“I can tell you with absolute confidence, the delegation that came to persuade Eshkol to take the heights was not thinking of these things. They were thinking about the heights’ land. Listen, I’m a farmer, too. After all, I’m from Nahalal, not from Tel Aviv, and I know about it. I saw them, and I spoke to them. They didn’t even try to hide their greed for that land.”

Dayan made it very clear that the Syrians were not a threat a threat to Israel:

”You don’t strike at the enemy because he is a bastard, but because he threatens you. And the Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.”


Israel ethnically cleanses most of the Syrian inhabitants

Israel ethnically cleansed the Syrian Golan of all but about 6,000 of its original 130,000 Syrian inhabitants, and destroyed about 200 villages there. It has allowed Druze inhabitants to remain, apparently in order not to upset relations with the Druze in Israel, a community which is generally loyal to Israel. Nowadays, there are just over 20,000 Israeli settlers in the Golan, and a similar number of Syrian Druze. The Golan seems to feature much less prominently in international awareness, as it involves much less overt current clashes in comparison to those which we see in the occupied Palestinian West Bank and Gaza, and the whole context of this being an occupation of Syrian territory means that it is not directly connected in awareness to the Palestinian Nakba of 1948. This is the kind of occupation that Israel would very much prefer – “maximum Jews on maximum land with maximum security and with minimum Palestinians”, as is the motto of ‘liberal centrist’ Israeli lawmaker Yair Lapid. In this case, the “minimum Palestinians” actually means “minimum Syrians”.

Israel has promoted settlement in the Golan, including its ‘capital’ which is the town of Katzrin, numbering over 7,000, which Golda Meir’s government decided to establish in the wake of the 1967 war (official government decision in 1973 and establishment in 1977).

Other, more agricultural forms of settlement have preceded Katzrin, and go to make the Golan’s 30 Israeli settlements – including kibbutzim. Last year, in the context of Israeli celebrations of “50 years of settlement in the Golan”, kibbutz movement secretary Nir Meir said: “The thousand kibbutzniks living in the Golan are no less a part of our movement than the ones making arguments against them”.

He was responding to critique about these people being occupiers. Meir boasted further:

“The very first settlements on the Golan were kibbutzim and we’re not ashamed of that. In fact, we’re very proud. Settlement in the Golan was never controversial, and the attempts to generate controversy are irrelevant now that Syria has ceased to exist and there is no partner on the other side.”


Syria turmoil and oil

Meir’s treatment of turmoil in Syria as “Syria has ceased to exist” appears to be the context by which Israel and the US seek to legitimize Israel’s acquisition of territory by force, in flagrant violation of international law. The claim is essentially similar to the classical old Zionist propaganda of “a people without a land for a land without a people.” If Syria “doesn’t exist,” just like Palestine “didn’t exist”, if the Syrian inhabitants are largely evaporated from existence by ethnic cleansing like the Palestinians were, then it becomes easier to say that there’s no one over there anyway, what’s the big fuss.

And there’s oil. In 2013, Afek, a local subsidiary of the US based Genie Energy, got a license for an exploratory oil drilling in the Golan, to determine existence and viability of future oil drills there. In 2015 Afek declared that it found an oil reservoir, and in 2016 the company was given a green light for further drillings.

Afek’s CEO is himself a settler in the Golan, former lawmaker Effie Eitam. The ultra-nationalist religious settler is genocidal. When he was Housing Minister in Ariel Sharon’s government in 2004, he opined that Palestinians are “creatures who came out of the depths of darkness” and that “we will have to kill them all”.

It may be completely incidental that Eitam is the one drilling oil in the Golan. And maybe he even regards Syrians as humans, as opposed to Palestinians. It may be completely incidental that there are oil interests in the Golan, and that Nikki Haley now votes in favor of Israel keeping the Syrian territory. But there’s a logic here, and it’s hard to ignore it. Israel has now gotten its golden chance to have its takeover of occupied territories openly legitimized, by a US government that is swaggering in its support of Israel and Zionism, and which shows unabashed contempt for international law.

US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was a one step. This endorsement of Israel’s annexation of Syrian territory is another. If it keeps going like this, there’s no reason why the US won’t endorse an Israeli annexation of most of the West Bank. Before we know it, Trump’s US will not only make America great again, but also Israel.

Jonathan Ofir

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  1. amigo on November 19, 2018, 2:25 pm

    It needs to be understood by all those who are biased against israel , that !!.

    Demanding that Jews give back that which they stole from others is Antisemitic.

    Referring to Jews as thieves just because they stole someone else.s Land is Antisemitic.

    Claiming that Jews do not have a right to regain ,(steal from someone else ) Land that God , (whoever that is ) Gave to them , is Antisemitic.

    Stating that the Golan Heights are occupied by Israel is Antisemitic .

    Claiming that Israel does not have the right to decide whose lands they officially declare as theirs is Antisemitic.

    One might wonder why Israel carries out so many illegal acts /Crimes ,if it is so upset by accusations of Antisemitism.

    End the 70 year crime spree and end much of the Antisemitism.Of course you have to want to end Antisemitism .

    Truth is Israel thrives on the existence of Antisemitism.It is the very breath it survives on and would collapse without.

    • Kay24 on November 19, 2018, 3:02 pm

      You make good points. The zionists used the Holocaust, and anti-semitic cards, to keep the brutal occupation going, and to pull off the biggest real estate scam, in the Palestinian territories.
      The US, UK, and other Western nations, enabled them. The zionists also took advantage of the guilt that
      Europe still feels, to achieve it. How else can they convince the world that they are entitled to that land, to kill, and steal everything their greedy hearts desire? From lands, to olive trees, to olives, to water, to soil, they take it all, and justify it with those two well worn cards.

      The irony of it is, the real Holocaust survivors in Israel have been badly treated and disrespected.

      “A survey in 2015 found that of the roughly 189,000 Holocaust survivors living in Israel, about 45,000 are in poverty. In the two other major population centers for survivors – New York City and the countries of the former Soviet Union – the rates of destitution are even worse.
      “These people suffered so much at the beginning of their lives, they shouldn’t have to go through any more suffering at the end of their lives,” said Tamara More, chief executive of the Association for Immediate Help for Holocaust Survivors.
      The all-volunteer network supports Isaac and around 3,000 others across Israel, focusing mainly on those in poverty. “Every day about 35 survivors die and we have so little time to try to make up for the injustice they have gone through,” Ms More said.”

      It looks like US aid is not reaching the real victims of the Holocaust. Again, if the zionists cared for the Holocaust survivors, they would be helping them wherever they are.
      Meanwhile Bibi and Sara keeps smoking those expensive cigars, and drinking pink champagne!

      • RoHa on November 20, 2018, 6:02 am

        Pink champagne? A clear indication of moral corruption!

      • Kay24 on November 20, 2018, 9:17 am

        Roha, not moral corruption, but totally unethical, for which they have been under investigation, questioned many times, and Sarais in the process of being indicted for the “food order” scandal. As for morals, I doubt Netanyahu, who seems corrupt himself, will step down, like Yitzhak Rabin did. Bibi is an immoral man, the world knows that.

    • amigo on November 19, 2018, 3:12 pm

      Correction to above.

      “One might wonder why Israel carries out so many illegal acts /Crimes ,if it is so upset by accusations of Antisemitism.”

      Should read ,

      “One might wonder why Israel carries out so many illegal acts /Crimes ,if it is so upset by accusations that are Antisemitic ” , (in their view).

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2018, 10:54 am

      @amigo, et al

      Timely and for the record:

      “Dershowitz Received $120K from Anti-Muslim Gatestone Institute”

      Lobe Log, Nov. 15/18

      By Eli Clifton

      “Former Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz spent the first two years of the Trump administration defending the president against the possible threat of impeachment, attacking critics of the White House, supporting Brett Kavanaugh’s controversial nomination to the Supreme Court, and lambasting the Iran nuclear deal. He even went so far as accusing Harvard law students who protested Kavanaugh’s confirmation of practicing ‘a new form of McCarthyism that is quickly descending on university campuses.’

      “On cable news, Dershowitz has emerged as a go-to Trump-defender and critic of the left wing of the Democratic Party, all while self-identifying as a ‘liberal Democrat.’ Over the summer, Dershowitz loudly complained about being shunned by Martha’s Vineyard’s largely liberal residents.

      “But Dershowitz’s shift to the right, and the frequent defense of the Trump administration, has coincided with a lucrative source of income for the retired professor.

      “Dershowitz’s work for the anti-refugee and anti-Muslim Gatestone Institute paid him $120,000 in 2017, making him one of the group’s highest paid contractors, according to tax disclosures reviewed by LobeLog.

      “National Security Advisor John Bolton, who served as the group’s chairman until joining the administration, received $130,000, and Gatestone’s accounting firm, Eisenramper LLP, received $156,319.

      “Dershowitz sits on the organization’s board and, as its tax returns reveal, enjoyed the lucrative benefits of association with a group partially funded by billionaire Trump megadonors, Robert and Rebekah Mercer, who contributed at least $250,000 to the group between 2014 and 2016.

      “Gatestone, under Bolton and Dershowitz’s leadership, produced a steady of flow of anti-Muslim conspiracy theories, falsehoods about refugees, and xenophobic warnings about the “Islamization” of Europe. During one week in March, The Intercept’s Lee Fang closely reviewed articles published by Gatestone and found:

      “Just this week, the Gatestone Institute published stories claiming that the ‘mostly Muslim male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East’ in Germany are fueling a ‘migrant rape crisis’ and that ‘Muslim mass-rape gangs’ are transforming the United Kingdom into ‘an Islamist Colony.’

      “The website routinely portrays Muslim migrants and refugees as an existential threat to Europe and the United States, claiming that immigrants bring ‘highly infectious diseases,’ genital mutilation practices, and terror to any nation that accepts them. The site spent years sharply criticizing the Obama administration for having a ‘traditional Muslim bias’ against Christians.”

      “Also under Bolton and Dershowitz’s leadership, the group forged ties with Rebel Media, a Toronto-based online media outlet with a history of bigotry and anti-Semitism.”

      • amigo on November 20, 2018, 12:52 pm

        Thanks Misterioso for enlightening us about the Darling of the Zionist entity and his war mongering neocon sidekick,–bolton.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2018, 12:55 pm

      Bad news for Bibi and Trump (and Sheldon Adelson.)

      Al Jazeera, Nov. 20/18

      “Report: Saudi royals turn on king’s favourite son after killing”

      “Amid outcry over writer’s killing, dozens of princes and cousins want to see change in line of succession, report says.”

      “Members of Saudi Arabia’s ruling family are agitating to prevent Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) from becoming king after the international uproar over the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, sources close to the royal court told Reuters news agency.

      “Senior US officials, meanwhile, have indicated to Saudi advisers in recent weeks they would support Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz – who was deputy interior minister for nearly 40 years – as a potential successor to King Salman, according to Saudi sources with direct knowledge of the consultations.

      “Amid international outrage over Khashoggi’s murder, dozens of princes and cousins from powerful branches of the Al Saud family want to see a change in the line of succession, but will not act while King Salman – the crown prince’s 82-year-old father – is still alive, sources said.

      “They recognise the king is unlikely to turn against his favourite son, the report added.

      “Rather, they are discussing the possibility with other family members that after the king’s death, Prince Ahmed, 76, uncle of the crown prince, could take the throne, according to the sources.”

  2. Kay24 on November 19, 2018, 2:49 pm

    We are known as the enablers of all these crimes. For years we have armed these criminals, sent billions of dollars in aid, and protected them in the UN. We are responsible for their crimes, including the massacre of unarmed civilians. Trump is only doing what is good for HIM. Adelson has contributed over $20 millions towards his presidential campaign, and with Jared advising him, has been paying the piper, which includes Jerusalem. Israel/Adelson/Jared calls the tune, when it comes to our Middle East policies. The Palestinians are too poor, and of no use to Trump. Chances are Trump hotels might spring up in Tel Aviv, and never in Gaza.

    We should now declare Israel our 51st state. Trump cares MORE about Israel than he does for Puerto Rico, and California. That explains it all.

    • HarryLaw on November 20, 2018, 2:32 pm

      Kay24….. “We should now declare Israel our 51st state”. That would not benefit Israel in any way.
      Making Israel your 51st state would mean they would only have two Senators, whereas now they have all the Senate.

      • Kay24 on November 20, 2018, 4:38 pm

        Good point HarryLaw. Sad but true.

  3. JLewisDickerson on November 19, 2018, 3:26 pm

    RE: “Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton said in August that a formal US endorsement of Israel’s control over the Golan Heights was not under discussion. However, David Friedman, Trump’s ambassador to Israel (and former personal lawyer), said the next month that he expected Israel to keep the Golan Heights ‘forever’.
    So now it’s clear and in the open. The US will go with Friedman’s ‘forever’ notion. No more pretending, no more ambivalence.”
    ~ Jonathan Ofir

    MY COMMENT: There’s no telling what kind of dirt Trump’s erstwhile bankruptcy lawyer, David Friedman, has on him.

  4. m1945 on November 19, 2018, 5:57 pm

    Israel offered to return the Golan in return for a peace treaty, but
    Syria said No.

    • Maghlawatan on November 20, 2018, 1:20 am

      Syria insisted on intl law. All of the Golan as far as the lake. Israel insisted on the lake for itself Because of water . There is always context.

    • John O on November 20, 2018, 4:03 am


      If I stole your car and said you could have it back on condition you forgave me and would not report me to the police, you’d be OK with that.

  5. bcg on November 19, 2018, 8:11 pm

    @m1945: maybe it’s more complicated than “we offered them peace and they turned us down”

    However, the assassination of Rabin, the fall of Peres, and the rise of Netanyahu to power have changed the political equation. Netanyahu now insists on starting the negotiations from scratch. He argues that Rabin’s verbal commitment to full withdrawal should not be binding to his government; he argues that full withdrawal from the Golan, in any case, is inconsistent with Israel’s national security. According to Netanyahu, any Israeli-Syrian agreement should be based on the principle of “peace for peace” rather than “land for peace.”

  6. DaBakr on November 20, 2018, 12:57 am

    It’s getting so damn big it is approaching 2 fucking percent of the middle eastern land mass. that is simply disgusting. arrogant zionists think they are being pragmatic because the idea of a non belligerent northern border with the Syrian regime, wether passively hostile, actively hostile or given over to proxies hostile is so frkkn believable. Israel isn’t turning over one square inch of golan and soon many more nations then three us will admit publicly what they’ve thought privately for years: that Golan is much better off then any surrounding Arab nation in israel sovereignty. It’s hard to swallow but neither Chinacv India, Russia, the Gulf states and much of Northern Africa simply don’t give a shit about Golan except as a vehicle to pay lip service to Arab nationalism.

    • eljay on November 20, 2018, 8:37 am

      || @Ba: … Israel isn’t turning over one square inch of golan and soon many more nations then three us will admit publicly what they’ve thought privately for years: that Golan is much better off then any surrounding Arab nation in israel sovereignty. … ||

      It’s a strange thought to have, seeing as how the Golan never got a chance to develop under Syrian sovereignty.

      || … It’s hard to swallow but neither Chinacv India, Russia, the Gulf states and much of Northern Africa simply don’t give a shit about Golan … ||

      What’s harder to swallow is that their indifference doesn’t right the on-going wrong.

    • Misterioso on November 20, 2018, 9:40 am


      Rant on all you want, the Syrian Golan Heights will never be recognised by the international community as belonging to the racist, fascistic entity known as “Israel.”

      On 17 December 1981, the UNSC unanimously passed Resolution 497, which declared Israel’s 14 December 1981 annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights “null and void.”

      In accordance with the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, binding on all UN members and ratified by Israel, and further underscoring the illegality of the settlements, Part 2, Article 8, section B, paragraph viii of the Rome Statute of the International Court (1998) defines “the transfer directly or indirectly by the Occupying power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies ” as a War Crime, indictable by the International Criminal Court.

      On 24 February 2004, the U.S. State Department reaffirmed its earlier position in a report entitled Israel and the Occupied Territories, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: “Israel occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights after the 1967 War…. The international community does not recognise Israel’s sovereignty over any part of the occupied territories.”

      In its 2004 ruling, the International Court of Justice unanimously ruled that “No territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognised as legal.” The World Court denoted this principle a “corollary” of the U.N. Charter and as such “customary international law” and a “customary rule” binding on all member States of the United Nations.

      The entity known as “Israel” currently has Trump in its pocket, but he’s gonna’ go down the drain.

      • DaBakr on November 20, 2018, 1:02 pm


        have you followed the decline of the un or do you believe it is a powerful organization?

      • Misterioso on November 20, 2018, 4:35 pm


        “have you followed the decline of the un or do you believe it is a powerful organization?”

        Yes, it remains a “powerful organization” and also the custodian of hard won international law, which came about in large measure as a result of the horrors committed by the Nazis. I also remind you that other than Trump (bought and paid for by Sheldon Adelson), no leader of a country of consequence has relocated its embassy to East Jerusalem. As a result of pressure from Trump, Australia mumbled about doing so, but soon realized it would be a really bad move.

        I have, however, for some time been following in detail “the [accelerating] decline” of the racist, fascistic entity known as “Israel.” The writing is on the wall.

      • RoHa on November 20, 2018, 10:21 pm

        “As a result of pressure from Trump, Australia mumbled about doing so, but soon realized it would be a really bad move.”

        I don’t know of any pressure from Trump. Australian Governments are usually eager to follow the lead of Washington without any urging.

        Here’s what I know.

        1. Malcolm Turnbull is replaced by Scott Morrison as PM.

        2. Mal resigns from Parliament, saying nobly that ex-PMs should not hang around like “miserable ghosts”, which was not at all a dig at Mal’s predecessor Tony Abbot.

        Not at all.

        Definitely not.

        3. This left an empty seat and endangered Morrison’s majority.
        Again, a totally unintended consequence. I’m sure Mal deeply regrets it.

        4. The seat of Wentworth was very strongly Liberal. (Remember, in Australia the Liberals are the conservatives. We are upside down on this side of the world.) It also had a large Jewish population. The Libs chose an ex-ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, as candidate.
        (Note: At this juncture it is important to emphasise that neither Morrison nor the Liberal party are in any way suggesting that Australian Jews are more concerned about Israel than about Australia. Such a suggestion would be …)

        5. Polls show the Liberal vote is declining.

        6. Scott Morrison casually suggests that Australia might move its embassy to Jerusalem, and says this idea is based on Sharma’s advice.
        (Note: At this juncture it is important to emphasise again that neither Morrison nor the Liberal party are in any way suggesting that Australian Jews are more concerned about Israel than about Australia. Such a suggestion would be …)

        7. Two thirds of Australia’s political and security establishment choke on its Vegemite toast. ASIO warns of increased danger of terrorist attacks.

        8. President of Indonesia says “You know that free-trade agreement I was just about to sign? I’m going to have to think about it a bit more.”

        9. Sharma loses the election to a drippy woman who spouts a lot of fashionable guff and a tiny bit of sensible stuff. Liberals lose majority. Morrison now leads a minority govt.

        10. PM of Malaysia gives Morrison a bit of stick at APEC summit. Indonesians still grumpy.

        11. Morrison and crew still trying to defend the idea without actually saying they will go through with it. Probably hoping that everyone can forget the whole thing over Christmas.

        That is the story so far.

  7. RayJosephCormier on November 20, 2018, 11:29 am

    What I find interesting to note, is how ancient Jewish Biblical History is repeating itself these Days in a new phase.

    The Jewish Bible refers to the Prophet Micaiah for only one Day, one scene and situation of his life.

    About 3000 years ago, the kings of Israel and Judah held a Summit meeting to discuss going to War with Syria over the Golan Heights.

    The king of Israel gathered the prophets of Israel, 400 of them, to tell the kings if God was with them in the War?
    They were unanimous, with no dissent at all, telling the king, “Ascend, and the Lord will deliver [it] into the hands of the king.”

    I can only think king Jehoshaphat of Judah was somewhat skeptical of the unanimity, and asked the king of Israel if these were ALL the Prophets in Israel?
    The king said, ‘there is 1 more, but I hate him. He never says anything good about me.’

    After those 3000 years, what king of the earth is like like that these Days?

    Guards were sent to get Micaiah and told him all the other Prophets were unanimous. God would give the king a win, so don’t rock the boat, and go along with the others. He did in a way saying, “Go up and triumph, and MAY the Lord deliver it into the king’s hand.”

    While the Bible has no mention of any other Time, the king of Israel said to Micaiah, “How many times must I adjure you that you shall not speak to me but truth in the name of the Lord?”

    Micaiah, in ‘speaking truth to power’ said, I saw all the Israelites scattered over the mountains like sheep who have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master. Let them return each one to his house in peace.’ ”

    It got worse for the king of Israel as Micaiah continued,
    “Therefore, listen to the word of the Lord. I saw the Lord seated on His throne, and all the host of heaven were standing by Him on His right and on His left.
    And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab so that he will go up and fall in Ramoth-Gilead?’ One said in this manner and another one said in that manner.
    And a certain spirit came forth and stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him,’ and the Lord said to him ‘How?’

    ‘I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And He said, ‘You will entice and you will prevail. Go forth and do so.’
    And now, behold the Lord has placed a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, whereas the Lord spoke evil concerning you.”

    Naturally, 1 of the 400 other Prophets of Israel gave Micaiah a shot to the head.

    The king ignored Micaiah and decided to go to War against Syria over the Golan. The king ordered Micaiah be sent to prison on minimal rations of bread and water, until he returns in Peace.
    Micaiah answered the king, Micaiah said: “If you will return in peace, the Lord did not speak to me.” And he said, “All the nations listen.”

    The king of Israel divested of his royal robes and chariot, and went to War dressed as an ordinary soldier, and was killed.

    The Bible doesn’t say what happened to Micaiah.

    And the Nations are not listening.

    • RoHa on November 20, 2018, 9:28 pm

      How did one become one of those prophets? Was there some sort of training course and licensing exam?

      • RayJosephCormier on November 20, 2018, 11:29 pm

        September 13, 1976, The Kansas City Times published this vision of the Future,
        “He came to town for the Republican National Convention and will stay until the election in November TO DO GOD’S BIDDING: To tell the world, from Kansas City, this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered […] He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. “The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon,” he said.” […] He wanted to bring to the Public’s attention an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”

        That 1976 FUTURE is NOW, with the benefit of 42 years hindsight and Revelation of the details GENERALLY unfolding in the spirit of the letter.

        The World is waking up to see Trump may hasten “its days are numbered” part of the 1976 Vision, and waits with bated breath. Good is still possible.

        The Kansas City Times did a follow up on ALL SOULS DAY, November 2, 1976.
        The TV movie ‘THE DAY AFTER’ Kansas City was incinerated in a Nuclear Holocaust appeared in 1983.
        At THE END, the movie pauses at the very same picture frame The Kansas City Times chose for the ALL SOULS DAY record 7 years earlier, except I had nothing to do with the movie.

        Any way you look at it, those Historical Facts are confirming Signs for our Generations, the World has finally arrived at this point of Decision, of an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia” slowly working it’s way into the American Psyche with the drumbeat of War within and outside the US increasing in tempo.

        If you want even more exact Prophecy, The Kansas City Times article published these exact words,¨There are 30 months before the fate of the world will be sealed with EITHER Destruction OR the Universal Brotherhood of Man,¨ he said. ¨The 30 month figure concerned a Treaty between Israel and Egypt.¨

        NOTE: This does not say Armageddon happens in 30 months from the article.

        Not 29 or 31, but exactly 30 months later, in March 1979, history shows a Treaty between Israel and Egypt was signed, The Camp David Accord.
        History shows talks broke down on the 12th day and no Treaty was to be signed. Begin and Sadat were leaving.
        It was on the 13th Day, as in the date of the Article and the picture accompanying it, an unexpected window of opportunity appeared and opened the way for the Treaty to be signed.

        This signified the Universal Brotherhood part of the quote.
        The Destruction part is the Iranian Revolution happened a month before the signing of the Camp David Accord.

        Trump has announced to the world Iran is in his sights with the Economic War he launched to destroy the Iranian Economy supporting it’s 80 Million People, before having to resort to bombs.

      • Mooser on November 21, 2018, 2:38 pm

        ” How did one become one of those prophets? Was there some sort of training course and licensing exam?”

        Here you go.

      • RoHa on November 21, 2018, 11:51 pm

        So davening is a technique for inducing a trance and thus entering the spirit world?

      • Mooser on November 22, 2018, 1:16 pm

        “So davening is a technique for inducing a trance and thus entering the spirit world?”

        Make sure you are seated comfortably on the special couch before beginning, it might take a while. Of course, it’s any davenport in a storm.

  8. James Canning on November 20, 2018, 6:41 pm

    Nikki Haley is an aggressive stooge of fanatical Zionist annexationists. Full stop. Israel needs to get out of the occupied Golan Heights.

  9. MHughes976 on November 22, 2018, 2:47 pm

    I think that things In those days were not that different from things in these days when it came to entering a profession. There was a mixture of government regulation, apprenticeship and gradual induction through ‘fringe’ activities. You might be attracted to the singing and dancing of a prophetic group, though this could be regarded as a bit indecent, so Saul’s participation was mocked. You might go further and seek affiliation with the prophets on the payroll of a religious institution, where you would presumably pick up ways of inflaming one’s mind through prayer and of proclaiming the ideas that came to you when you were in that state. The government would keep an eye on you and you might get sent away from the institution, just as Amos was dismissed from the royal shrine of Bethel. His remarks indicate that people might have expected him to be trained within a prophetic family, though in fact he is responding to a personal sense of mission. At the other end of the scale of public success, Elisha studies with Elijah and ends up entitled to wear the distinctive garb of the head of the school, then becomes in effect Minister of Culture and finds himself treated by the King as worth a whole army, ‘the chariots of Israel and the horsemen thereof’.

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