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The foreign policy ‘blob’ is horrified by Trump’s Syria move– though not the voters

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For all of us who worry about misguided groupthink in the Washington foreign policy establishment, the last 24 hours have been validating and demoralizing. The reaction to Trump’s announcement that he will withdraw U.S. forces from Syria has been reflexive horror that Trump is going against the great traditions of U.S. foreign policy. When in fact those traditions are the discredited ideas of liberal interventionists and neoconservatives who (somehow still) believe that the projection of U.S. military force in conflicts far from our shores will make the world a better place. Those ideas aren’t even traditional, but generational, rooted in post-cold war globalist hubris– which Trump promised voters he was going to reverse.

Indeed, Trump’s commitment to ending the role of the U.S. as a gunboat reformer surely played a much larger role in his winning the election than any interference by Russia. His stance was an important departure from Hillary Clinton’s hawkishness. Her surrogates were prattling on about “regime change” in Syria and ignoring the antiwar feeling of swing voters in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

Now Trump says he will follow through on the commitment, and the horror echoes through the mainstream media. Marco Rubio, Richard Blumenthal, Nancy Pelosi, and Lindsey Graham are all chagrined by the announcement and the departure of Defense Secretary James Mattis. Andrea Mitchell and Mara Liasson both expressed the concern that we are abandoning our allies in the Middle East.

Susan Glasser at the New Yorker dutifully echoes what she characterizes as a “bipartisan freakout.”

He is, as we now know definitively, a President who is more willing to flout process and partners, and the norms of politics, than any other modern American leader.

The signature problem with the Trump era is that there are so many Syrias, so many mornings when the President distracts us from the previous day’s controversy with yet another outrage of his own making.

Dan Byman of Georgetown said the move would only produce more conflict in the region as regional rivals contend for influence– as if we have the power to sort out regional rivalries:

you’ll see lots of regional actors trying to increase their influence. And we’ll probably see more conflict in a region that already has more than enough.

Clinton’s would-be Defense Secretary Michele Flournoy went further. She called the disengagement “foreign policy malpractice” that will take “many administrations to correct” in works to reassure our allies about our reliability, and put our “enemies” in their place.

ISIS will almost certainly resurge, and it plays right into the hands of Assad and Russian and Iran, our enemies. It’s a terrible decision.

Flournoy speaks of Israel’s interests. So does Martin Indyk: Trump “just helped to dismantle the virtual wall in Syria preventing Iran and Hezbollah approaching Israel’s northern border.”

While I can’t say that any of this is really surprising, it is dismaying that the media are so dominated by these voices. You’d think that after nearly 20 years of failure in the Middle East, more light would be breaking in through the holes in the walls.

After all, these same idealists-willing-to-send-other-people’s-kids-to-war were deeply wrong about the biggest foreign policy blunder in recent memory/US history: the Iraq war. Yet our foreign policy braintrusts are still dominated by interventionists.

Thankfully, a few leftists and realists have made it on to the airwaves, or into the blogs anyway. “It’s very telling that the war party in DC is furious,” Jeremy Scahill writes. The neoconservative-liberal interventionist establishment will never say no to a war, Andrew Sullivan says. “Maybe it takes an impulsive, dangerous nutjob like Trump to finally do it, to end the wars the American people want to end.”

Robert Ford, former ambassador to Syria, was on NPR to explain that the President’s decision was the wise one. “[T]he mission of the American forces is mission impossible.”

Former UK ambassador Peter Ford writes at Patreon that the US decision is actually a victory for international law and human rights.

Trump’s critics, including those in London… will have the vapours about ‘losing ground to Russia’, ‘making Iran’s day’, and ‘abdicating influence,’ but their criticism is ill-founded. Contrary to their apparent belief, the US does not have a God-given right to send its forces anywhere on the planet it deems fit. Withdrawal will see the US in one respect at least follow the international rules-based system we are so fond of enjoining on others, and will therefore be a victory of sorts for upholders of international law.

But those voices are few and far between. It’s particularly galling that two leading realists have books out this fall about this issue– the folly of US interventions– and no one is asking their opinions.

In “The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities,” John Mearsheimer writes that the U.S.’s “deeply interventionist” approach to “countries it knew astonishingly little about” has had disastrous consequences, including in Syria.

Obama “played a central role in escalating the conflict” in Syria, and that conflict in turn helped to send masses of refugees to Europe. “[The] war in Syria, which the United States helped start, has the potential to do serious damage to the EU in addition to the horrendous costs it has inflicted on the Syrian people.”

Mearsheimer notes that Syria also made a liar of Obama. “He… went to great lengths to disguise how deeply involved the United States was in the Syrian civil war, and to divulge as little information as possible about drone strikes.”

Stephen Walt published a book with a similar theme, “The Hell of Good Intentions: America’s Foreign Policy Elite and the Decline of U.S. Primacy.” He argues that the Washington “blob,” the Beltway establishment sustained by thinktanks, professors, lobby groups, media, and government institutions, has promoted an ideology of “liberal hegemony,” exporting our political traditions to other countries by force. And it has repeatedly failed.

“Instead of building an ever-expanding zone of peace united by a shared commitment to liberal ideals, America’s pursuit of liberal hegemony poisoned relations with Russia, led to costly quagmires in Afghanistan, Iraq and several other countries, squandered trillions of dollars and thousand of lives, and encouraged both states and non-state actors to resist U.S. efforts.”

That last idea has been utterly absent in the discussion of Syria: that U.S. intervention leads to terrorist attacks here.

When Trump did the Beltway-approved thing and used cruise missile strikes on Syria in 2017, Walt notes, it “had no impact on the war itself–indeed, Assad’s position continued to improve throughout the war–but it won Trump enthusiastic plaudits from Republicans, Democrats, and prominent media pundits. As CNN’s Fareed Zakaria put it, ‘I think Donald Trump became president of the United States [last night].'”

That interventionist establishment isn’t going anywhere. “As the nearly unified opposition to Trump has shown, the consensus behind this approach transcended party lines and survived repeated disappointments,” Walt observes.

So that Beltway crowd is predictably responding in horror today. Or as John V. Whitbeck puts it, “President Donald Trump has shocked the world by doing something intelligent and constructive.”

Philip Weiss

Philip Weiss is senior editor of Mondoweiss.net and founded the site in 2005-06.

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  1. annie on December 21, 2018, 2:28 pm

    another great article phil!

  2. eljay on December 21, 2018, 3:16 pm

    … So that Beltway crowd is predictably responding in horror today. Or as John V. Whitbeck puts it, “President Donald Trump has shocked the world by doing something intelligent and constructive.”

    I won’t be at all shocked if he follows it up with something stupid and destructive.

    • Mooser on December 21, 2018, 5:19 pm

      “I won’t be at all shocked if he follows it up with something stupid and destructive.”

      The way in which Trump is (supposedly) pulling out of Syria is plenty stupid and destructive all on its own.

    • ErikEast on December 22, 2018, 6:28 am

      Yes, a tunnel to the U.K. – the Brexit tunnel: a one-way conduit for U.S. produce, including chlorinated chicken to enter and dominate the U.K. market.

      • scott9854958 on December 23, 2018, 1:22 pm

        Better than British Mad Cow beef coming here.

  3. JLewisDickerson on December 21, 2018, 4:52 pm

    HAARETZ: “After U.S. Announces Syria Pullout, Netanyahu Says Israel Will Increase Actions Against Iran With Full U.S. Support”https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-israel-will-increase-actions-against-iran-in-syria-with-full-u-s-support-1.6764803

    • JLewisDickerson on December 21, 2018, 5:02 pm

      RE: Stephen Walt . . . argues that the Washington “blob,” the Beltway establishment sustained by thinktanks, professors, lobby groups, media, and government institutions, has promoted an ideology of “liberal hegemony,” exporting our political traditions to other countries by force. ~ Weiss

      The Blob (1958) – At the Movies

      P.S. Thank God for Trump’s “Space Force”!

      • JLewisDickerson on December 21, 2018, 5:19 pm

        P.P.S. ■ The Blob Theme Song (“It’s so easy to dance to!”)

      • unVet on December 22, 2018, 11:36 am

        Hey! Steve McQueen at 27-28 years old.

        The Blob was one theory on what can happen to all that bubblegum stuck under movie theater seats.

  4. JWalters on December 21, 2018, 6:23 pm

    Thanks for having the courage to think for yourself. We are in dire need of editors and journalists NOT captured by the oligarchy “groupthink”. Here’s a memorial for another such editor and journalist, winner of the I.F. Stone Medal for independent journalism, Robert Parry, a journalist’s journalist, and founder of Consortium News.
    “Yes, Virginia, There Is a Deep State and Bob Parry Exposed It”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/13/yes-virginia-there-is-a-deep-state-and-bob-parry-exposed-it/

    President Kennedy said he wanted to break the CIA into a thousand pieces. That was after they LIED to him about their Cuba invasion plan and tried to trap him into a more extreme plan. Then he signed an order to take away their covert operations (assigning them to the military), and return them to their original role of gathering information. Then he was assassinated, and there is OVERWHELMING evidence implicating the CIA, readily available in books and on the internet, from top-flight, professional reporters, researchers, and scholars.

    Yet now we have a universal chorus from the entire spectrum of the “establishment” that we should be worshiping the newly sainted CIA. It reminds me a lot of the entire US Senate pledging allegiance to Israel, and the entire US mainstream media relentlessly covering up Israel’s crimes and Israel’s huge role in American politics.
    “Let’s talk about Russian influence”
    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/about-russian-influence/
    Why Not a Probe of ‘Israel-gate’?
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/20/why-not-a-probe-of-israel-gate

  5. HarryLaw on December 21, 2018, 7:34 pm

    This is a must watch Jimmy Dore show, Professor Jeffrey Sachs stuns the TV panel with some home truths about the war in Syria and how the CIA and Saudi Arabia set up regime change. Dore is brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

  6. brent on December 22, 2018, 12:28 pm

    If NPR can be weaned from the military interventionist, endless war, camp, that could open the door to a more healthy fourth estate in general. Their Ombudsman, Elizabeth Jensen, takes voice messages at 202-513-3246, or email at [email protected]. NPR News takes voice messages at 202-216-9217.

  7. John O on December 22, 2018, 1:21 pm
  8. Kay24 on December 22, 2018, 8:04 pm

    We should not have been there in the first place. It is the fact that Trump abruptly (perhaps to distract the country from the heap of poop he is in) announcing on twitter that the troops are being withdrawn, without consulting with US officials and allies, in a more civilized way, that bugs me. He has a pattern of acting like a dictator. We have a system of doing things as a democracy, and no President announces sudden policies, especially by twitter, without following certain protocol. He has consistently acted like he is king and above it. He has no clue about being president, and needs adults to hold his hand.
    This could also be an effort to find funding for his wall.

    • scott9854958 on December 23, 2018, 11:32 am

      “We should not have been there in the first place”

      Thanks Obama!

      “without consulting with US officials and allies”

      You know this how? Mattis knew it in October, which explains the rumors 2 months ago that he would resign. If Mattis knew, our allies surely did, not that I care either way what Israel thinks about any of this. They’ve been aiding ISIS, not fighting them.

      “He has a pattern of acting like a dictator”

      He’s commander in chief. Are you aware of that?

      “We have a system of doing things as a democracy”

      Right like intervening in Middle East shooting wars without getting authorization from Congress. Again, thanks Obama!

      “He has consistently acted like he is king and above it”

      More empty drivel.

      “This could also be an effort to find funding for his wall”

      Great! Sign me up.

      • Kay24 on December 24, 2018, 9:55 am

        You sound like a naive Trump supporter. I know for a fact that he did not consult with US officials and allies, because they are all surprised/taken aback/shocked at the change of policy by tweet, taking allies and his own advisers by surprise. No leader yanks troops just like that.
        Only a beauty pageant organize who has no clue, might.

        “Donald Trump is reported to have ordered a full, rapid withdrawal of over 2,000 US troops in Syria, declaring victory over the Islamic State, and taking allies and his own advisers by surprise.

        Pentagon and state department officials were left scrambling to interpret an abrupt change in course from the US policy decided over the summer to keep forces in Syria to ensure the “enduring defeat of Isis” and act as a bulwark against Iranian influence.

        Senior officials were informed of the president’s decision on Tuesday night, and after news reports of the U-turn surfaced on Wednesday morning, Trump tweeted: “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.”

        NO other US president acted like he is above the law, and acts without consulting experts. He is clueless, but does not want to learn or be guided. He knows “more” than all the Generals, and HE ALONE can fix it. NOW THAT IS DRIVEL.

        As for paying for the wall, know that you are in the minority:

        Quinnipiac University Poll. June 14-17, 2018: 39 percent support building a wall, 58 percent are opposed.
        Pew Research Center. June 5-12, 2018: 40 percent support building a wall, 56 percent are opposed.
        CBS News Poll. May 3-6, 2018: 38 percent support building a wall, 59 percent are opposed.

        Hope you are able to comprehend with careful reading that the majority of Americans think Trump’s VANITY wall stinks.

      • scott9854958 on December 24, 2018, 10:30 am

        And you sound like a fake progressive, repeating memes that your neoliberal masters feed to you, followed by a cookie and a pat on the head.

        Let’s face it, you have no idea who was contacted and when about the withdrawal. “I know for a fact…” yeah, you don’t. You’re a wet sponge for propaganda, is what you are. And you absorb it well.

        Anyone pretending to care about clipping Israel’s wings should welcome this decision, because Israel isn’t happy about it. I said back in 2015 that Trump might pleasantly surprise all of us on Israel, because he’s an unguided missile who breaks norms and accepted rules. What our ME policy needs more than anything else is someone who “breaks norms and rules.”

        And here you are, the officious lunch room monitor, chiding him for doing those very things.

      • Kay24 on December 24, 2018, 6:07 pm

        Try to learn to debate with facts and not make Trump like childish personal insults, when confronted with credible facts. You sound like a troll that tries to defend the indefensible. You know that you cannot dispute what I have said, and resort to lame comments. Pathetic.

      • scott9854958 on December 24, 2018, 9:30 pm

        Let the record show you started with the personal insults. Can’t handle a taste of your own medicine, is that it?

        Your plea that we listen more to “the generals” is the talk of militarist trash. Trump is a civilian and thank god we still have civilian, not military, government. Maybe you’d be happier living under a Southeast Asian junta. The generals would be in charge, and a good little militarist like you would be happy.

      • Kay24 on December 24, 2018, 11:04 pm

        Let the record show I started with criticism of Trump to which your responded:

        “More empty drivel.” Not very complimentary eh?

        The truth hurts, that is why I gave you facts from The Guardian, and polls from 3 different polling companies, AND YOU RESPONDED WITH NO FACTS AND PERSONAL INSULTS.

        Now run along and play your games with someone else. You are a waste of valuable time.

      • scott9854958 on December 25, 2018, 12:53 pm

        Oooh, look at Kay, the great federal government penny pincher. The William Proxmire of 2018.

        Kay thinks $5 billion for a wall is a terrible, reckless idea, but thinks $250 million a day to keep troops in the Middle East is a great idea. Because “the generals” think so!

        In other words, a wasteful wall costs about what 3 weeks of deployed troops in the Middle East costs.

        Please lecture me some more on wasteful spending, Kay. You have so much credibility on the issue.

      • Mooser on December 26, 2018, 12:53 pm

        “so much credibility on the issue.”

        Don’t worry, “Scot(^&*%^[email protected]#!”! On Christmas, President Trump signed a 115- mile contract for the wall!
        It’s a Christmas miracle!

    • RoHa on December 24, 2018, 10:04 pm

      I don’t understand this virulent opposition to the wall. It might be ineffective, and thus a waste of money, but aside from that I don’t see what is wrong with it.

      • Kay24 on December 24, 2018, 11:16 pm

        Maybe with the deficit soaring, more Americans homeless https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45442596, and the GAO saying it could be more than the billions of dollars Trump wants for his vanity wall, sane congresspeople, do not want to recklessly spend for a face saving wall, which all experts (not Coulter or Limbaugh) say will NOT solve the problem of illegal immigrants.

        A US government watchdog is warning that Trump’s border wall could cost billions more than he claims
        https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-billions-unseen-costs-gao-report-2018-8

      • gamal on December 25, 2018, 5:21 pm

        “I don’t understand this virulent opposition to the wall”

        I think we have a number options China has a wall, therefore we must close the wall gap.

        Also it won’t be Frost proof as in “And to whom I was like to give offence”, you not scared of Elves even, hubris doesn’t inspire confidence, but yes why not just cut Mexico free and set the whole southern landmass adrift, it is crazy right, what does David Ickes lizard brain think about it? If one is allowed to speculate.

  9. russgreen on December 22, 2018, 10:14 pm

    Maybe this decision to get out of Syria just means that Putin has more influence over Trump than Sheldon Adelson does. I find it hard to believe Trump would do anything this smart and virtuous on his own. And even harder to believe he would go against the wishes of Adelson on his own.

  10. JustJessetr on December 22, 2018, 10:22 pm

    He’ll likely change his mind. If he doesn’t, he’ll pivot the military towards China, another region of the world that he knows nothing about and cost us even more blood and treasure.

    I’d like to be happy about the pull out. I really would. But if Trump is doing it, there’s something even worse waiting in the wings.

  11. CigarGod on December 23, 2018, 10:57 am

    Right on, Phil.
    If Iraq wants to maintain the Kurdish Autonomous Region inside their border, fine. If Syria wants to maintain a anti-isil relationship, fine. If Iran wants to keep their border open with the KAR, fine. Israel is 500 miles away, so it’s none of their god damn business. USA is 8000 miles away and only Israel, the Kurds and proxy rebel groups want us there.
    I don’t care if Trump pivots and sends those 2000 troops to Iraq’s northeast border. It will simplify things…and will be another example of how the Left and Neo-con’s are joined at the hip. Enough of these examples and maybe we will wake up.
    Go Trump!
    Oh get over it! It ain’t about partisanship, it’s about supporting good decisions, even when you can’t stomach the person who made them.

  12. Ossinev on December 23, 2018, 2:11 pm

    Daffy Donald appears to be building up to major hissy fits even by his standards with regards to the “Wall” or the “Steel Slat” Barrier (whatever)together with the “treachery” of Mathis. Looks as if he may have to bring forward his greatest deal since deals were invented I/P Pizza Plan. Oh wait a minute he has that pesky self worshipping Jew Naftali Bennett to deal with:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/minister-says-trump-peace-plan-includes-palestinian-state-and-hell-oppose-it/

    GruppenHerr Bennett will not countenance another “Arab Entity” East of the Jordan River unless the Arabs are comprehensively ghettoised and numbed by “autonomous steroids”. Latter legally prescribed of course.

    The Bennett position obviously is music to the ears of the Zionist Lobby in the US inc the seriously freaky Sheldon Adelson. So if Donald doesn`t get his way on the Pizza plan due to the opposition of the likes of Adelson will he throw a hissy fit with US Zios. Now that would really shake up the mixture.

  13. Citizen on December 24, 2018, 4:58 am

    Trump is on public record saying our main motive in being in Middle East is Israel’s interests. So maybe he wants to let our private war corporations operate alone in Syria, while he prepares our military for war on Iran. USS Stennis is first US carrier in Persian Gulf after long absence — just in time for Christmas https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/uss-stennis-is-first-us-carrier-in-persian-gulf-after-long-absence-just-in-time-for-christmas-1.561718#.XCCvtEQif-E.twitter

    • James Canning on December 24, 2018, 12:21 pm

      One might well ask whether Israel’s hopes of keeping the Golan Heights permanently played a role in the eruption of civil war in Syria.

      • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 10:52 am

        Given Israel’s continued occupation and settlement in Syria’s Golan, only someone brain dead would say that’s not a key to why Israel continually intervenes in Syria’s civil war. Note Netanyahu lately has been pressuring Trump to outright support Israel’s claimed ownership of the Golan Heights.

    • RoHa on December 24, 2018, 10:01 pm

      I am seeing reports that Trump has managed to persuade Saudi Arabia and the UAE to send troops to support the Kurds.

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/12/saudi-arabia-and-uae-sending-troops-to-help-kurds-in-syria/

      As far as the carrier is concerned, the long absence started after Russia demonstrated that its dinky little patrol boats in the Caspian could drop cruise missiles over the whole area. Has the US Navy received any assurance from the Russians?

      • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 10:53 am

        Saudi regime always does whatever it thinks will weaken Iran.

  14. Citizen on December 24, 2018, 5:11 am

    Trump Admits His Mideast Policy Guided by Israeli, not American, Interests https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-admits-his-mideast-policy-guided-by-israel-not-american-interests/253170/?

    • Kay24 on December 24, 2018, 9:59 am

      More like Jared’s guidance and Bibi’s manipulations. Jared made sure Jerusalem was given to buddy Bibi, all nicely tied up in a bow. It makes me wonder why Jared will go and ask loans, and investments, from Muslim nations, and not his favorite Jewish nation, or maybe Jewish zionists like Adelson, who is very generous when it comes to Republicans.

      • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 10:57 am

        No question Trump obeys his precious daughter’s husband’s suggestions when he’s trying to figure out anything in the Middle East. Hence, he’s obeying Netanyahu’s Zionist agenda. Amazingly, nobody in the US mainstream media picked up on Trump declaring Israel’s interests basically form US foreign policy in the Middle East–Trump pointed out in this context that US is no longer dependent in any way on Arab oil.

  15. Citizen on December 24, 2018, 5:30 am

    Trump: ” This is a very important job that I’m doing right now. The last thing I care about is doing business with people. I only do business for us. Somebody said, well, maybe they’re an investor in one of his jobs. The answer is no. But I just feel that it’s very, very important to maintain that relationship. It’s very important to have Saudi Arabia as an ally, if we’re going to stay in that part of the world. Now, are we going to stay in that part of the world? One reason to is Israel. Oil is becoming less and less of a reason because we’re producing more oil now than we’ve ever produced. So, you know, all of a sudden it gets to a point where you don’t have to stay there.”

    • JWalters on December 24, 2018, 6:14 pm

      Very interesting quote. Now if the American public learns that Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty and tried to slaughter the entire crew …

      • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 11:00 am

        There has been no, and will be no public discussion on the USS Liberty on prime time cable TV news. Has it discussed Al Jazerra’s (sic) documentary on the Israel Lobby? No. When do they invite Mearsheimer or Walt on cable tv news as pundits? Never.

      • JWalters on December 28, 2018, 12:53 am

        Citizen, You are absolutely right of course. That’s why I said “if”. But I think it’s worth pushing the MSM on that story, because it will be such a big dam to break. e.g. Bringing it up in MSM discussion forums, informing MSM consumers will bring pressure on the reporters and editors to at least keep up with their audience.

  16. VQTilley on December 24, 2018, 11:07 am

    I agree with all of this, Phil, but can’t help noticing that you don’t once mention the Kurds. Of all the stupid, cruel, immoral, illegal, venal and horrifically wasteful dimensions of the US messes in Syria and Afghanistan, betraying allies who risked their lives counting on US protection has been among the nastiest. Of course the US should have left long ago – Syria has been shattered by this proxy war. But walking out with no warning on people who counted on US support as they fought and died and now face genocidal enemies unrestrained even by token US shelter is just plain vile. And all the worse for having been done before, in Iraq. The Kurds don’t deserve this. The very worst combination of a terrible ruinous presence and a terrible ruinous departure is on display here.

    • CigarGod on December 24, 2018, 4:10 pm

      VQ,
      The only official Kurdish territory in the region that I know about is in Iraq. The Kurdish Autonomous Region.
      It is only that region that we have any official relationship with. As far as I know, there is no agreement that obligates us.

      Fighting for us?
      “Kurds fighting in the Syrian Civil War were able to take control of large sections of northern Syria as government forces, loyal to President Bashar al-Assad, withdrew to fight elsewhere. Having established their own government, they called for autonomy in a federal Syria after the war.” – Wiki –

    • RoHa on December 24, 2018, 9:46 pm

      If the Kurds trusted the US to keep supporting them, they can’t learn for observation or experience.

      Mind you, that is not an uncommon failing.

      • RoHa on December 25, 2018, 2:23 am

        Learn from.

      • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 11:03 am

        No lobby similar to @AIPAC have the Kurds. So, TS. They should know this merely by looking at the way USA handles the Palestinians.

  17. James Canning on December 24, 2018, 12:17 pm

    The Israel lobby would of course favor a permanent US military presence in Syria, whatever the fantastic cost to the US taxpayers.
    I think the US should foster an end to the vicious civil war in Syria.

  18. CHUCKMAN on December 24, 2018, 3:52 pm

    “The foreign policy ‘blob’ is horrified by Trump’s Syria move– though not the voters”

    That headline perfectly sums up the situation.

    I think it tells us a great deal about the divide – a growing one, I believe – between those who rule in the West – especially in the United States – and the people they rule.

    Readers may enjoy:
    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2018/12/22/john-chuckman-comment-can-trump-remain-firm-in-his-syria-decision-apart-from-forces-against-him-we-do-have-even-some-possibility-of-a-hoax-two-powerful-washington-forces-at-work-here-and-trump-i/

    • Citizen on December 27, 2018, 11:05 am

      US mainstream media news channels, all six corporate ones, make damn sure American voters don’t get the facts on the ME & Israel.

  19. JWalters on December 24, 2018, 6:18 pm

    Maj. Danny Sjursen, a U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    “We’re Allowed to Celebrate Trump’s Withdrawal From Syria”
    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/were-allowed-to-celebrate-trumps-withdrawal-from-syria/

    Ray McGovern, an Army Infantry/Intelligence officer before working as a CIA analyst for the next 27 years.
    “Send the Mad Dog to the Corporate Kennel”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/21/send-the-mad-dog-to-the-corporate-kennel/

    Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone political columnist and author on Wall Street fraud.
    ” We Know How Trump’s War Game Ends, Nothing unites our political class like the threat of ending our never-ending war”
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-syria-withdrawal-772177/

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