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Palestinian officials are doubling down on their plans to boycott a US-led conference in Bahrain next month aimed at garnering regional support for President Donald Trump’s peace plan.

The White House announced Sunday that it will be co-hosting what it described as an “economic workshop” with the Gulf country, aimed at encouraging Arab economic investments in the Palestinian Territories, as part of the US strategy in the region.

The US administration will use the conference, which is set to take place June 25-26, to unveil the first part of Trump’s long-awaited “deal of the century,” which emphasizes “economic opportunities” for Palestinians over core political issues like the status of Jerusalem, control of borders, and the fate of refugees.

In a joint statement with Bahraini officials, US officials said the conference will bring together regional and international leaders across government, business and civil sectors  “to gather support for potential economic investments and initiatives that could be possible with a peace agreement.”

In the wake of the announcement, Palestinian officials voiced their condemnation of the conference, which they say was organized without consulting the Palestinian Authority government of the West Bank.

Voicing concerns that the conference will ignore political issues central to the conflict, Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh said Monday during a cabinet meeting that “any solution to the conflict in Palestine must be political … and based on ending the occupation.”

“The cabinet wasn’t consulted about the reported workshop, neither over the content, nor the outcome nor timing,” Shtayyeh said.

Palestinian officials, businessmen announce boycott

Following Shtayyeh’s statements, PLO official and PA Social Development Minister Ahmed Majdalani told Reuters that Palestinian officials would not be attending the June conference.

“There will be no Palestinian participation in the Manama workshop,” Majdalani, said, adding that “any Palestinian who would take part would be nothing but a collaborator for the Americans and Israel.”

Dr. Hanan Ashrawi, another high ranking official in the Mahmoud Abbas government and outspoken critic of the Trump administration, told Al Jazeera that the Bahrain conference was nothing more than an economic workshop, resembling nothing close to a peace plan.

“It shows a lack of understanding of the issues of the region,” she said, adding that the meeting is “another way of rewarding Israel again and maintaining Israel’s control of our land and resources.”

Notably, prominent Palestinian businessman and millionaire Bashar Masri said in a statement on social media that he  he had turned down an invitation to speak at the conference.

“We will not engage in any event outside the Palestinian national consensus,” he wrote, adding “the idea of an economic peace is an old one now being asked in a different way, and just as our people have rejected it in the past, we reject it now.”

Echoing Masri’s sentiments, Palestinian tech entrepreneur Ibrahim Barham said that while he was surprised to receive an invitation, he would not be attending.

“They’re destroying the appetite for any investor to come to Palestine because there’s no clue to any solution,” The New York Times quoted Barham as saying.

“Thank you very much for inviting us, but we will not go,” he added.

Palestinian-American businessman Zahi W. Khouri, who owns the Coca-Cola franchise in the West Bank and Gaza, slammed US officials for its attempts at “bribing and buying off” Palestinians.

In recent weeks, several high-ranking officials including Shtayyeh and Palestinian ambassador to the UN Riyad Mansour have said Trump’s peace plan is “dead on arrival.”

Last week, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki called US officials “delusional” during a talk at a London-based think-tank, saying “the US ‘deal of the century’ is the consecration of our century-old ordeal: no independence, no sovereignty, no freedom, no justice.”

UAE, Saudi Arabia confirm participation

Despite Palestinian rejections of the conference, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), two major regional players, announced Tuesday evening that they would be sending delegations to Manama to participate in the June convention.

Haaretz reported that the Saudis will send their Economy Minister to the event, quoting an official statement from the Kingdom.

Following the announcement, the UAE government said in a statement that it “supports all international efforts aimed at supporting economic progress and increasing opportunities in the region, and alleviating the suffering of people in the region, particularly our brothers in Palestine,” Haaretz reported.

Echoing a similar statement made earlier by Bahraini officials, the UAE reiterated its support “for the establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.”

The Saudis and the Emiratis, who in recent years have significantly warmed relations with Israel, are the first two Arab powers to announce participation in the event.

US officials maintain position

The planned participation of Saudi Arabia and the UAE is a major win for US officials, who have centered the success of their peace proposal around financial coordination from regional Arab leaders.

Despite repeated criticism of the US approach to peace negotiations, Trump officials have stood by their plan to emphasize economic prosperity for Palestinians and “security” for Israelis.

“Economic progress can only be achieved with a solid economic vision and if the core political issues are resolved,” senior advisor and co-author of the plan, Jared Kushner said in a statement on Sunday.

“We look forward to presenting our vision on ways to bridge the core political issues very soon,” adding “the Palestinian people, along with all people in the Middle East, deserve a future with dignity and the opportunity to better their lives.”

Kushner’s co-author and Trump’s special envoy to the Middle East Jason Greenblatt slammed the PA for rejecting the Bahrain conference, saying it was “difficult to understand why,” according to the Associated Press.

“History will judge the Palestinian Authority harshly for passing up any opportunity that could give the Palestinians something so very different, and something so very positive, compared to what they have today,” he said.

Doubling down, Greenblatt tweeted later in the day that claims the US vision was “just economic peace” were untrue. “We’ve been clear that the economic vision we present can’t exist without the political component, and the political component can’t succeed without the economic. Don’t believe rumors the plan is only economic. It’s not.”

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  1. eljay
    eljay on May 22, 2019, 10:01 am

    … “Economic progress can only be achieved with a solid economic vision and if the core political issues are resolved,” senior advisor and co-author of the plan, Jared Kushner said in a statement on Sunday.

    “We look forward to presenting our vision on ways to bridge the core political issues very soon,” adding “the Palestinian people, along with all people in the Middle East, deserve a future with dignity and the opportunity to better their lives.” …

    But, he warned, if they refuse to buy what we’re selling America and Israel – unshakeable bond, no light between – will continue to f*ck mightily with their future, their dignity and their lives.

  2. Kay24
    Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 11:42 am

    It is so obvious, that Bin Salman is showing his unwavering support for crooked Kushner’s ME plan. After all Kushner was his top consultant and advisor, after Bin Salman got Khashoggi tortured and killed, and the entire world was outraged. As for the UAE shame on them too, for following the Saudis, and conspiring with Israel to attack Iran.
    This is evil sticking together, plotting and planning.

    As for the Palestinians, you can be sure they will turn down the crumbs Kushner will throw at them, after giving their occupier all it has already stolen. I never thought I’d see the day when these Arab nations will conspire with the Jewish state and work against another Islamic nation, and throw the Palestinians under the bus. It is utterly disgusting.

    Maybe the BDS group should consider boycotting Saudi Arabia and the UAE too, apart from Israel.
    They truly deserve it.

    • Philip Munger
      Philip Munger on May 23, 2019, 1:10 pm

      Maybe the BDS group should consider boycotting Saudi Arabia and the UAE too, apart from Israel.

      They truly deserve it.

      I’ve boycotted Saudi Arabia as best I could since way back. It’s hard to do entirely, as gasoline is fungible. Living in Alaska, the likelihood of me encountering Saudi products is pretty marginal. I’ve avoided buying GE and Starbucks for years, as they are heavily invested in aspects of Saudi infrastructure. Lots of other reasons to boycott Starbucks, too.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on May 24, 2019, 5:34 am

        Thankfully I am a tea drinker, and do not drink coffee. :))

      • Mooser
        Mooser on May 24, 2019, 1:03 pm

        When used to work in SODT Seattle, I would sometimes buy coffee at the Starbucks coffee shop at their (then) corporate headquarters.
        Amazingly, it was the same as Starbucks coffee purchased at any one of too many Starbucks coffee shops.

  3. mondonut
    mondonut on May 22, 2019, 11:46 am

    In response to the announced economic workshop, the Palestinians have determined that the “Bahrain conference was nothing more than an economic workshop” – and consequently refuse to help their own economy and people.

    What was that about Palestinians and missed opportunities?

    • just
      just on May 22, 2019, 12:30 pm

      BS on your comment. It’s bribery/blackmail and the Palestinians aren’t going to stoop to Israeli/US/Gulf level of depravity. The US and Israel have taken too much from them; Trump most recently. You cannot buy them back.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 22, 2019, 2:06 pm

        @just , It’s bribery/blackmail

        Well, which is it bribery or blackmail? That’s actually a trick question because it is neither. It is quite a stretch to find evil in an attempt to assist the Palestinian economy but as we are witnessing the Palestinians and their supporters are up to the challenge.

        And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 22, 2019, 3:43 pm

        || mon donut: … It is quite a stretch to find evil in an attempt to assist the Palestinian economy but as we are witnessing the Palestinians and their supporters are up to the challenge. … ||

        The most obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy is for:
        – Israel to end its decades-long and on-going occupation of territory outside of its / Partition borders; and, with the support of the U.S.,
        – for Partition-borders Palestine to emerge as an independent state with full control of its land, sea and air-spaces and its resources; and
        – for Palestinians to solicit – freely and without interference – investment and development within the Partition borders of their new state.

        (Same applies to the Free City of Jerusalem.)

        But as we all know Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:10 pm

        @eljay The most obvious way … Partition borders; … Partition-borders … Partition borders of their new state.

        Yea, there are no partition borders, nor have there ever been. These fantasies (among others) bring real harm to the Palestinian people.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 22, 2019, 7:34 pm

        || mon donut: … Yea, there are no partition borders, nor have there ever been. … ||

        Like I said: There is a very obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy, but Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

        Thanks, donut. You’ve been very helpful today.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on May 22, 2019, 9:05 pm

        eljay- there is nothing intrinsically wrong on insisting on the partition borders. but in fact when arafat shook hands with rabin and when negotiators of ehud barak’s spoke to negotiators of arafat in taba in 2001, and when olmert negotiated with abbas, there was no mention of the partition borders. to treat the situation as if those negotiations never took place seems to be to be counterintuitive. maybe because there will be no peace in either case you can choose your framework of rejection, but in fact the negotiations that came closest to an agreement: taba 2001 and olmert-abbas of 2008 were not based on the partition borders.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 7:19 am

        || wondering jew: eljay- there is nothing intrinsically wrong on insisting on the partition borders. but in fact when arafat shook hands with rabin and when negotiators of ehud barak’s spoke to negotiators of arafat in taba in 2001, and when olmert negotiated with abbas, there was no mention of the partition borders. to treat the situation as if those negotiations never took place seems to be to be counterintuitive. maybe because there will be no peace in either case you can choose your framework of rejection, but in fact the negotiations that came closest to an agreement: taba 2001 and olmert-abbas of 2008 were not based on the partition borders. ||

        Israel accepted Partition borders and was recognized as a sovereign state within them. It seems counterintuitive – a “framework of rejection”, if you will – to treat:
        – that situation as if it never happened;
        – every Israeli act of military occupation, colonization and annexation since then as if it were legitimate; and
        – two sets of failed negotiations as if they had been successful.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on May 23, 2019, 12:32 pm

        eljay- When the PLO first “recognized Israel” in 1988, I was surprised that their recognition said nothing about the 47 partition borders. but they did not. nor has the PLO ever spoken of those borders. Nor has the UN ever spoken about those borders at least since 242 in 1967. Nor does Hamas mention those borders in anything I’ve ever read. So your insistence on those borders is sensible, but a quirk and not something that’s really on the table. Maybe some day it will be on the table and you can say, “I told you so.” But until then we are living in 2019 and the relevant UN resolution is 242.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 1:45 pm

        || wondering jew: eljay- When the PLO first “recognized Israel” in 1988, I was surprised that their recognition said nothing about the 47 partition borders. but they did not. nor has the PLO ever spoken of those borders. Nor has the UN ever spoken about those borders at least since 242 in 1967. Nor does Hamas mention those borders in anything I’ve ever read. So your insistence on those borders is sensible, but a quirk and not something that’s really on the table. Maybe some day it will be on the table and you can say, “I told you so.” But until then we are living in 2019 and the relevant UN resolution is 242. ||

        Maybe one day Israel will respect 242 and withdraw its armed forces from territories it occupied in 1967 and you can say “I told you so” but until then your insistence on defining my notion of a valid way to assist the Palestinian economy is a quirk.

      • just
        just on May 23, 2019, 2:31 pm

        Check out the definitions of both if you can be bothered. I am not interested in doing any homework for you, ‘mondonut’. It ‘s actually both. As for this BS comment~ “And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.”
        You are delusional and in denial. Get help.

        Dr. Nabil Sha’ath:

        “We Palestinians Say to Trump: No to Bahrain, Bribes and Never-ending Occupation …

        Palestine has officially announced that it will not attend the Bahrain “workshop.” This decision shouldn’t surprise anyone.

        Despite the fact that some have tried to present the Manama meeting as a purely “economic effort,” White House officials have been clear that this is the first stage of their alleged “peace plan.”

        In other words, the Bahrain meeting is supposed to be an opportunity to showcase how much the U.S. administration are willing to use as a bribe in exchange for the Palestinians giving up their rights.

        For the Trump team, the Manama meeting represents a strategic stage in their efforts to undermine both international law and the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. But they are also dedicated to dismembering the Arab Peace Initiative, and to pivot away from Palestinians achieving their rights of freedom and self-determination to discussing Palestinians’ “economic prosperity” – under Israeli rule.

        Denying the political rights of the people of Palestine while claiming to preserve their “social” or “economic” rights is an old idea. It is the same idea that fueled Britain’s Balfour Declaration of 1917, and the concept of “economic peace” declared by Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

        Not addressing Palestinian rights, even refusing to utter those very words, is only a recipe for further entrenching the Israeli occupation. President Trump’s Mideast envoy Jason Greenblatt, has himself declared that settlements – over 650,000 settlers and soldiers fragmenting the occupied West Bank into hundreds of non-contiguous islands – are not an obstacle to peace.

        Any economist can tell you the necessary conditions for economic prosperity. Palestine is a country with tremendous economic potential, including its highly educated human resources. But in order to reach its full potential, Palestine has to be able to control its economy, including its borders, natural resources and electromagnetic sphere, among others. Those are all Palestine’s well-recognized rights.

        As Trump’s ambassador to Israel, David Friedman has consistently tried to promote economic normalization between Israeli settlers and Palestinians. It is clear that all such efforts are not only opposed by the Palestinian leadership, but by the vast majority of Palestinians. Palestine’s most prominent businesspeople have already declined U.S. invitations to attend the Bahrain meeting.

        Some may claim that it is illogical to reject a “plan” that we haven’t seen. But the truth is we’ve seen a lot: From moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem to defunding UNRWA, the Trump administration has taken a number of measures that are not only a violation of U.S. obligations under international law and commitments to the peace process, but are utterly immoral, such as defunding Palestinian hospitals.

        The Trump administration dropped the term “occupation” from their official documents and stopped criticizing any illegal Israeli act, including settlements. It closing our mission in Washington as well as the U.S. Consulate in Jerusalem, turning relations with the Palestinians into a mere unit under the control of the U.S. ambassador to Israel.

        The message from the White House is clear: The Palestine issue is not about national liberation. The real priority is the “Greater Israel” for which ideologues like David Friedman have worked so tirelessly.

        Efforts at deviating attention from the core issues will not change the reality of occupation and exile that Palestinians have experienced for far too long.

        The Bahraini government statement reaffirming support for a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital is important, yet those who have decided to attend the Manama meeting should be aware of the Trump administration’s true intentions.

        The Manama meeting is one phase in a larger effort to undermine Palestinian rights and normalize Israeli violations, while promoting Arab-Israeli normalization. These have been at the core of the U.S. administration’s efforts.

        These are enough reasons for Palestinians to say no to the Manama meeting. The rest of the international community should look at the facts, and understand the dangerous precedents that the Trump administration is pushing.

        The White House is actively justifying Israeli occupation and colonization, by recognizing Israel’s right to aquire land by the use of force, as it has for Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. This should be considered as a preparatory step for the further annexation of occupied Palestinian territory.

        It is precisely because we believe in a just and lasting peace for our region that we say no to the Manama meeting. Only a political solution that ends the Israeli occupation and fulfills the rights of the Palestinian people, in accordance with international law, can promote sustainable economic prosperity. There can be no “prosperity” without freedom.”

        https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-we-palestinians-say-to-trump-no-to-bahrain-bribes-and-never-ending-occupation-1.7279273?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        Oh, and P. S. Neither the US nor Israel are reaching into their coffers…

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 3:48 pm

        @just And BTW, the US has taken nothing from them that was actually theirs to begin with.”
        You are delusional and in denial. Get help.

        Really? Then name it. What was rightfully the Palestinians that the US has taken away?

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on May 22, 2019, 4:09 pm

      Yeah, maybe they are hard of hearing, when Israel continuously offers to end the occupation, and promises to halt the building of illegal settlements on their stolen lands. How dare they pretend they are short of hearing, and cannot hear these kind offers.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:03 pm

        @Kay24 Yeah, maybe they are hard of hearing,

        Palestinians passing on opportunities to achieve statehood are another subject. This is them passing on a chance to improve their economy, apparently because the kleptocrat political elites were not invited.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on May 23, 2019, 11:23 am

        Mondo blaming the victims again, and giving the aggressors a pass.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 12:17 pm

        || mondonut: … This is them passing on a chance to improve their economy … ||

        Give them access to, control over and – without interference – let them exploit their own resources. That’ll help the Palestinians of Partition-borders Palestine improve their economy.

        https://english.palinfo.com/news/2017/10/21/Palestinian-oil-and-gas-wealth-under-Israel-s-control

        But we all know that Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:16 pm

        @eljay That’ll help the Palestinians of Partition-borders Palestine improve their economy.

        Maybe it would, maybe not. Either way, it does not preclude other economic opportunities. Your insistence that your ideas alone have economic benefit have no basis. There is a real opportunity in front of the Palestinians and they are walking away from it, and you seem to think that is a good idea.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:24 pm

        @Kay24, Mondo blaming the victims again, and giving the aggressors a pass.

        If by victims you mean the Palestinian leadership – then yes, I am absolutely blaming them. Because they are again are to blame for failing their people.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 2:45 pm

        || mon donut: … Maybe it would, maybe not. Either way, it does not preclude other economic opportunities. … ||

        Of course it doesn’t.

        || … Your insistence that your ideas alone have economic benefit have no basis. … ||

        Your assertion that I have insisted that my ideas alone have economic benefit has no basis, lying donut.

        || … There is a real opportunity in front of the Palestinians and they are walking away from it, and you seem to think that is a good idea. ||

        Please point out where I “seem to think that is a good idea”, lying donut.

        Regardless of what the Palestinians do regarding this so-called “real opportunity”, the fact remains that there exists a very obvious way to assist the Palestinian economy, but Israel and the U.S. are not up to the challenge.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso on May 23, 2019, 10:11 am

      @mondonut

      Sigh. Didn’t your mother or father tell you that sometimes it’s best to keep your mouth shut?
      You keep firing blanks. Hasbara Central must be very disappointed and losing patience with you.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:21 pm

        @Misterioso Sigh … You keep firing blanks.

        That’s it? That’s all you have? Childish invective?
        You could of at least once again violated Fair Use and wholesale copy an entire article in response.

        https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

      • Mooser
        Mooser on May 24, 2019, 1:07 pm

        “You could of at least once again violated Fair Use…”

        So nue, so sue.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on May 24, 2019, 6:56 pm

        “Could of“!

        And the moderators let that through?

        We’re doomed.

  4. echinococcus
    echinococcus on May 22, 2019, 12:59 pm

    Both the Nut and the Zionist leadership of the Zionist entity + UZ states are showing that they only have one value: valuta, money, Geld. Watch for MW excising that for “antisemitic stereotype”ness again…

  5. Ossinev
    Ossinev on May 22, 2019, 3:41 pm

    @Mondonut
    “What was that about Palestinians and missed opportunities?”

    Yup it would appear that they are determined to miss this “opportunity” to have multiple mini commercial bantustans instead of the promised “in due course” sovereign state with sovereign borders , sovereign government , sovereign self respect and sovereign dignity “promised” to them by the Ziofascists and the US Benjamites.

    Silly Palestinian Arabs – how can one possibly “negotiate” with these inferior races with their naive concepts of self determination and legitimacy !

    • mondonut
      mondonut on May 22, 2019, 7:06 pm

      @Ossinev “opportunity” to have multiple mini commercial bantustans

      How is it that you know the details of the conference agenda and Trump’s plan?

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on May 23, 2019, 11:25 am

      Well, they love to be occupied for decades, have their lands stolen, and enjoy watching their kids suffer with no hopes for the future, and be killed by the hundreds, according to the apologists.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 2:11 pm

        @Kay24, Well, they love to be occupied for decades..

        It almost seems that way – given how little effort they put into achieving a state.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 5:02 pm

        || mon donut: @Kay24, Well, they love to be occupied for decades..

        It almost seems that way – given how little effort they put into achieving a state. ||

        We often hear about how strong and vibrant Israel is so I completely and 100% agree with you that the U.S. should:
        – stop providing unconditional economic, political, military and financial support to Israel; and
        – start providing it to the Palestinians.

        I have no doubt that this will help the Palestinians achieve a state and improve their economy.

      • mondonut
        mondonut on May 23, 2019, 5:41 pm

        @eljay so I completely and 100% agree with you … start providing it to the Palestinians.

        You agree with something I never said? After you jumped a thread and responded for someone else?

        But for the sake of argument I will play along with your fantasy. If the US were to start providing large scale military support to the Palestinians instead of the Israelis – would that go to the murderous terrorists of Gaza, the unelected thieving kleptocrats of the West Bank or the one million plus, fake Palestinian refugees of Jordan?

      • eljay
        eljay on May 23, 2019, 6:20 pm

        || mon donut: @eljay so I completely and 100% agree with you … start providing it to the Palestinians.

        You agree with something I never said? … ||

        So much for your concern for the well-being of the Palestinian state and economy.  You disappoint me, donut.  :-(

        || … But for the sake of argument I will play along with your fantasy. If the US were to start providing large scale military support to the Palestinians instead of the Israelis – would that go to …||

        Military and economic and political and financial support, yes. Instead of it being used to prop up a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state – the way it has been for decades with Israel – I would like to see it used:
        – to help establish a healthy, sovereign, secular and democratic Palestinian state; and
        – for the benefit of all of its citizens.

  6. Ossinev
    Ossinev on May 23, 2019, 3:14 pm

    @Mondonut
    “How is it that you know the details of the conference agenda and Trump’s plan?”
    1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2 = Anti – Semitism,Eternal victimisation,Delegitimisation etc etc yawn sob yawn sob yawn sob. Never studied rocket science but as with a lot of things on Earth (AKA Planet Zion) as they say you don`t have to be a rocket scientist.

    ” given how little effort they put into achieving a state”

    And all the “assistance” from the Israeli Ziofreaks – particularly the Likudniks whose focus based on their own charter has been to do everything possible to prevent them achieving the state:
    https://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

    No doubt in your addled “logic” just a minor irritation for the Palestinians in their”effort”.

    • mondonut
      mondonut on May 23, 2019, 5:31 pm

      @Ossinev 1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2

      Gibberish.

    • RoHa
      RoHa on May 24, 2019, 4:45 am

      “1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2 = Anti – Semitism,Eternal victimisation,Delegitimisation etc etc yawn sob yawn sob yawn sob.”

      That’s pretty much it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on May 24, 2019, 1:20 pm

        “That’s pretty much it.”

        Nah, in Israel, math is much more variable than that. For instance, well over 50% of the time 1+1 = 1/2.

  7. klm90046
    klm90046 on May 23, 2019, 4:47 pm

    This peace plan, if implemented, will likely lead to fission in Palestinian society. The “practical” among Palestinians, the entrepreneur class, may embrace it, while the idealists will consider it a subterfuge for indefinite occupation, and may rise against it, possibly leading to civil strife and even civil war among Palestinians. Wouldn’t Israelis love it!

    • eljay
      eljay on May 23, 2019, 5:24 pm

      || klm90046: This peace plan, if implemented, will likely lead to fission in Palestinian society. … Wouldn’t Israelis love it! ||

      Dunno about Israelis but Zionists would be tickled pink by this latest “divide and conquer” tactic.

  8. Ossinev
    Ossinev on May 24, 2019, 7:52 am

    @mondonut
    “gibberish”
    I don`t think that you were/are capable of understanding nuances sunshine – but hell give it just one more try in terms of reading and digesting the sentence/comment as a whole.

    BTW Any thoughts on:
    ” The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river” (Likud Charter) As in the highly supportive position of the Yahoo et al with regards to the Palestinian efforts to “achieve a state”. Of course in your warped Zioworld the Yahoo et al have been so so encouraging and supportive of these efforts and yet again it`s those Untermenschen Palestinians who are at fault for “rejecting opportunities”

    As for Trump and “planning” Serious non sequitur !!!

    • mondonut
      mondonut on May 24, 2019, 12:48 pm

      @Ossinev

      Nuances:
      1 + 1 = 2 except in Zioland where 1+1 = 2
      etc etc yawn sob yawn sob yawn sob
      Earth (AKA Planet Zion)
      Israeli Ziofreaks
      the Yahoo et al
      in your warped Zioworld the Yahoo et al
      those Untermenschen Palestinians

      I am going to stick with my previous assessment. Gibberish.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976 on May 24, 2019, 1:37 pm

        I take it that O means that among Zionists the stock of propositions regarded as obvious, like 1+1 = 2, is augmented by several that are in fact highly questionable, including the idea that the Palestinians are at fault for not discussing or not being keen to discuss economic opportunities with people who ‘flatly’ deny them political rights or at least rights amounting to enfranchised citizenship of a sovereign state. There’s a big mountain of contempt, making O’s reference to the well known contemptuous word ‘untermensch’ quite appropriate, in that flatness. It’s no one’s primary reaction to overbearing and contempt to sit down and discuss their organising a bit of money.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on May 24, 2019, 6:42 pm

        I read it as meaning that a Zionist will, when it suits, reject logic and reason. Any unZionist proposition, no matter how obvious, or argument to an unZionist conclusion, no matter how tightly constructed, will be met with accusations of anti-Semitism and so forth.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976 on May 25, 2019, 4:10 am

        Yours is the better reading, I think!

    • Mooser
      Mooser on May 24, 2019, 1:09 pm

      “As for Trump and “planning”…”

      Exactly.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976 on May 24, 2019, 2:10 pm

        But if Trump were incapable of hatching nefarious schemes and making them work the world would be a different place.

  9. MHughes976
    MHughes976 on May 24, 2019, 2:05 pm

    The Sioux are often mentioned in our discussions and their situation – following the Supreme Court decision of 1980, which gave them a substantial sum of money, useful for their economic development (which is in need of a boost) but which they have refused to accept because they regard it as a matter of principle that they should not have merely compensation for loss of the Black Hills but return of the Black Hills to their possession under the terms of the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty, which plays a part somewhat analogous to UN 242 – does throw some light on the initial Palestinian response to Trump. Who would treat the Sioux reluctance to take the money with scorn or incomprehension? Who would think that the Palestinian situation is so dissimilar that scorn or incomprehension becomes thinkable?

    • gamal
      gamal on May 24, 2019, 5:43 pm

      “The Sioux are often mentioned “…oh

      “but return of the Black Hills to their possession under the terms of the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty”

      which only goes to prove if you sorry for marga (it’s not maga) dog, marga dog tun roun bite you, it’s in the book of bob, tosh recession..often mentioned?

      https://youtu.be/HMYI0ds90Jk

  10. Ossinev
    Ossinev on May 24, 2019, 2:07 pm

    @mondonut
    “I am going to stick with my previous assessment. Gibberish2

    Come on old son. At least have a stab at explaining how the Palestinian efforts to achieve statehood could have/can be possibly be achieved given all those years when a party dedicated to its prevention as per their charter have been and still is in power. Would be most grateful for an honest “assessment” of this monumental contradiction.

    You are coming across all Trumpish as in when backed into a corner you give up and throw a tantrum instead of addressing the issue.

    Just a reminder – you were the one who claimed that the Palestinians were “putting very little effort into achieving a state”.I have given you my case for stating that the Israeli government have been putting every effort into preventing the Palestinians achieving a state.
    Plus have a read:
    https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/gapal1418.doc.htm
    Your turn – and please less of the “gibberish” tantrums.

  11. MHughes976
    MHughes976 on May 25, 2019, 4:19 am

    Likud is only expressing the basic idea of Zionism, which is that the right to be in the Holy Land and have a share in sovereign power there is inherent in those that are Jewish and in them only, others having a share only by the grace and generosity – assumed to be abundant but of course not unlimited – of the true heirs. It’s not possible on this basis to say that all have an equal right to be there or ‘to have a state’ in any meaning of those words.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on May 25, 2019, 12:46 pm

      ” inherent in those that are Jewish”

      Maybe, but only those who are 100% authentically Jewish.

      Otherwise, the definition of “Jewish” simply becomes ‘anybody willing to help the Zionists destroy the Palestinians.’

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