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Not surprisingly, mainstream American politicians were unequivocal in condemning Palestinians for the rocket attacks that went back and forth between Israel and Gaza over the weekend. Below are several statements from Democratic pols and liberal Israel support groups showing that there is no room in the mainstream US discourse for criticizing Israeli violence or speaking about Israel’s 13-year-long blockade on Gaza or its slaughter of Palestinian demonstrators at the fence over the last year, let alone its refusal to allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homes.

What is remarkable is that Bernie Sanders bucks the trend, saying US policy must be “evenhanded” and implicitly citing Israeli violations of human rights in Gaza, including that people are imprisoned in the strip. Notably, Sanders said he had been “criticized” repeatedly for taking this position, when answering a question at a town hall in Iowa Saturday:

I have been criticized over and over again, and I said this four years ago, and I repeat it to you right now: In terms of the Middle East, we need an evenhanded policy. Alright? I am a strong supporter of Israel’s right to exist in peace and security. OK. I lived in Israel when I was a young man. But we need a policy which brings the Palestinians and the Israelis together. You’ve got a situation in Gaza right now where the unemployment rate for young people is 60 or 70 percent. People cannot leave the area. Does anyone think that that is going to result in long term peace– it is not. So the function of the United States is to play an evenhanded role in bringing the Israelis and the Palestinians together. It is difficult, it is complicated, I am no fan of Netanyahu, who is a rightwing leader, and the Palestinians have their problem with leadership, but our job is to do everything we can to try to bring a lasting peace to that very, very troubled region. And as president that’s exactly what I will try to do.

Sanders surely has an understanding that the Democratic base is sympathetic to Palestinians. Not that his statement seems calculated. The only game in town on the Democratic side, or U.S. politics– apart from Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar– is support for Israel and condemnation of Palestinians.

This one-sided statement from Steny Hoyer, the House majority leader, epitomizes the imbalance. The only innocents are on one side. And Hoyer says Congress is with him:

Hamas must immediately stop launching rockets into Israel.  The targeting of innocent communities is never acceptable, as is the exploitation of protected sites like schools and mosques by Hamas and its affiliates for the purpose of launching attacks. Israel has every right to defend itself against these rocket attacks from Gaza. They were a gross and blatant violation of international law, and the Israeli actions to neutralize rocket launchers and prevent further attacks are entirely justified. The United States Congress, in a bipartisan fashion, stands strongly in support of our ally Israel and its right to protect its citizens from terror.

Senator Cory Booker strikes the same biased note (from CBS News):

We support Israel’s right to defend itself– full stop. You have a terrorist organization that actually suppresses its own people, conducts acts of violence and human rights violations against people who live in– in Gaza. So Israel has a right to defend itself and it should do that. But for the people that live in Gaza, this is not about them, it’s about the terrorist organization that is attracting such violence, that is using children, hospitals and schools as shields for their insidious aims, which is the destruction of the state of Israel… That terrorist organization is like a cancer undermining the security of both Gazans as well as Israelis… I think we need to continue to work for peace in that region and work towards a two state solution.

Booker said that support is bipartisan. Asked if he agrees with Trump on Gaza:

Some of the president’s words are problematic to me. There’s no empathy for the struggles of Palestinians in that region… But one thing people should know, from before Donald Trump, from before I was a senator, I stand with the right of Israel to exist and to defend itself.

This statement by five Jewish House members, including three chairpersons (Brad Schneider; Eliot Engel; Nita Lowey, Ted Deutch, and Josh Gottheimer) is also stunningly one-sided. It doesn’t even mention Palestinian deaths and presents Israel as moderate.

“We strongly condemn the outrageous, indiscriminate rocket attacks from terror groups in Gaza into Israel, which have claimed the lives of four Israelis, wounded many more, and put at risk hundreds of thousands of others.

“In response to the continued, indefensible attacks by Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other terror groups, Israel has a right and responsibility to defend itself and its citizens militarily from further violence. Israel must be able to sustainably protect its people as it continues to pursue a ceasefire.

The liberal Zionist group J Street can justly claim to represent the Democratic Party these days, and its statement is frightening in its one-sidedness. Again, Palestinian victims don’t count. The violence and “terror” are coming from one side. We stand with Israel but our thoughts are with Gaza.

J Street strongly condemns the barrage of hundreds of rockets that have been launched from Gaza at Israel over the past 48 hours by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. We are deeply concerned by this intensive escalation in violence, in which three Israelis and several Palestinian civilians — including an infant and a pregnant woman — have been killed so far, with many more wounded.

We stand with the communities of the Israeli south and with those throughout the country who are now living under the threat of indiscriminate terror. Our thoughts are also with the civilian population of Gaza, who once again are faced with a potentially devastating new round of conflict that will only further exacerbate an already severe humanitarian crisis.

We support Israel’s right to defend itself and its people against rocket attacks and terror…

Freshman congressman Max Rose of NY is considered a progressive. He’s on one side, too.

Hamas firing hundreds of rockets into Israel killing innocent people is a horrifying act of terror. Thousands of families in Israel and Gaza are being held hostage by terrorists more committed to destroying Israel than working towards peace.

Liberal Zionist Jan Schakowsky is one-sided in her statement:

Israel has a right to defend herself. Real peace can only come with a two-state solution.

So is Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona:

I condemn the rocket attacks on innocent civilians and stand in support of Israel and peace.

Israel Policy Forum is in the same J Street vein. Israel’s violence is “necessary.” Palestinian violence is “terror.”

Israel Policy Forum unequivocally condemns today’s rocket fire by Hamas and other terror organizations in Gaza. We express our deep concerns for the Israeli citizens who have spent Shabbat under attack and for the ordinary Palestinians who have been affected by the necessary military response…

Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorism against Israel is unacceptable, and we urge the international community to condemn it without reservation.

So that’s the terrain that Bernie Sanders is operating in, and his comments look brave.

It appears that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the voice of the progressive base these days, had nothing to say about Gaza this weekend.

While Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar have been, as always, outspoken and willing to take what comes. Tlaib responded to the unbalanced press coverage of the conflict:

When will the world stop dehumanizing our Palestinian people who just want to be free? Headlines like this & framing it in this way [New York Times coverage headlined, “Gaza Militants Fire 250 Rockets and Israel Responds With Airstrikes”] just feeds into the continued lack of responsibility on Israel who unjustly oppress & target Palestinian children and families.

Ilhan Omar also addresses the justice question:

How many more protesters must be shot, rockets must be fired, and little kids must be killed until the endless cycle of violence ends? The status quo of occupation and humanitarian crisis in Gaza is unsustainable. Only real justice can bring about security and lasting peace.

A little more of the context here. Liberal Zionists are indistinguishable from center-right Zionists here. David Harris of AJC:

What’s happening in Israel right now is all too clear. Terrorist Hamas & Palestinian Islamic Jihad have fired 400+ missiles from Gaza. Why? They‘re not aiming at Gaza’s development, but Israel’s destruction…pure & simple.

Notice that Peace Now sounds belligerent in this question about the new government’s policy in Gaza: “[W]ill it finally take serious action to end this ridiculous chain of disruptive clashes and get rid of Hamas?” Yossi Alpher responds that one of three options for Israel is to “physically eliminate” the Islamists in Gaza.

[A] major Israeli military offensive to reconquer the Gaza Strip and physically eliminate the Islamists there… is undoubtedly feasible. Countless politicians, including Netanyahu, have periodically promised to do precisely this. But then they confront the reality that this scenario would almost certainly involve hundreds of Israeli dead and would leave Israel responsible for the welfare of over two million Gazans under a new occupation.

And of course, Trump is not making this any easier. Several American ambassadors to Europe met with Netanyahu yesterday and along with ambassador to Israel David Friedman issued this statement:

The sole aim of these terrorists is to kill, maim and terrorize citizens of Israel…. No other nation on Earth would tolerate this.

H/t James North. Jewish Insider

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  1. Ellen
    Ellen on May 6, 2019, 3:44 pm

    Both Palestinians and Israelis are hostage and victim of one long sick saga.

    The Israeli economy is utterly dependent upon the arms and security industry. And for all the weapons manufactured and sold into the world market, the value goes up immensely if they are “live tested.” Meaning the wares tested in conflict. So the Israeli war economy needs conflict to give vastly added value.

    In other words, battle conflict with people of Gaza — relatively small as it is, give huge returns to the main industry. These bombings are good for Israel, which needs conflict to support itself as it now exists.

    As for the Palestinians? One could make the argument they have been betrayed (as Israelis, but in a different manner) by their own leadership. Like all occupied populations, there are the elite of the occupied who have carved our position and privileged from the occupiers. Without the status quo they have nothing. They, too, need the conflict.

    What threatens the current status quo? The possibility that the man and woman on the street figures it out. That is why both sides are indoctrinated to fear each other.

  2. Kay24
    Kay24 on May 6, 2019, 4:51 pm

    It seems our politicians, leaders, and the media, are totally blind to what Israel is doing. What is this, amnesia? intellectually unable to comprehend? or it does NOT matter to them? Most probably the last point.

    It will be refreshing to hear someone in Congress, or in the media, keeping blaming Israel for prolonging this occupation, and for building illegal settlements, that is against international laws, and perhaps state that those are the cause for all these rockets and stones. NO ONE DARES. Good for Sen. Sanders to stand up this way, but for how long?

    • genesto
      genesto on May 7, 2019, 12:12 pm

      —- for as long as it takes. Bernie stood up to the Israel lobby in the last election too, despite the attacks that came primarily from the lobby’s No. 1 agent, Hillary Clinton.

      Bernie doesn’t get it all right. But he is, by far, the closest thing to a leader that votes his conscience over political expediency. That’s why I’m supporting him yet again in 2020. All of you should consider doing the same.

  3. scott9854958
    scott9854958 on May 6, 2019, 7:05 pm

    A special LOL-out to liberal Jewish Zionists like NYC councilman Mark Levine, who has the cheek to wish Muslims everywhere a happy Ramadan, while the day before saying how proud he is of his beloved Israel. I honestly think the “leftist” Zionists are worse than the Ben Shapiros, because they pretend to be more evolved, but they’re not. At all.

    I also have to question the provenance of Hoyer’s statement, specifically the phrase “Hamas and its affiliates.” This clause is straight from AIPAC, Camera and the ADL. Which means it’s quite likely the old gasbag didn’t write it at all. It was handed to him, more than likely with an envelope of cash.

  4. Nathan
    Nathan on May 6, 2019, 8:01 pm

    Phil brings to our attention that the statement of five Jewish congressmen “is also stunningly one-sided. It doesn’t even mention Palestinian deaths and presents Israel as moderate”. It sounds as if there is an expectation that everyone is supposed to be “two-sided”, always presenting the narrative of both sides. However, despite such an expectation, I have never read an article in Mondoweis that is balanced and fair, presenting the issues from the point of view of both sides. Always in Mondoweiss, it is a “stunningly one sided” view of the conflict. And it’s legitimate that Mondoweiss is anti-Israel and calls for her demise, but since this publication is by definition so biased and one-sided, it should be self-evident that others are also one-sided (i.e. pro-Israel). It really shouldn’t be such a shock.

    I can give the anti-Israel crowd some credit for having won the propaganda war, so you should be able to swallow some of these pro-Israel statements that are given above. Most of the statements remind the listeners that “Israel has the right to defend itself”. The point of view of the Arab world and of the western supporters of the Palestinians is that Israel is an “illegitimate entity” and therefore she doesn’t have the right to defend herself. When making a pro-Israel statement, reminding everyone that “Israel has the right to defend itself”, essentially the speaker has admitted that he has heard the narrative that the anti-Israel world is trying to promote.

    Anyway, it’s hard to understand the usefulness of shooting hundreds of missiles into Israel. It’s just as stupid as charging the border fence every Friday, or going for a stabbing spree, or sending suicide bombers. It’s so obvious that the Palestinians cannot defeat Israel (ending the conflict through military victory), so the only way to achieve some of the goals is through a negotiated end of the conflict. However, by negotiating with Israel, the Palestinians will have to accept her existence as a permanent fact of life, and that’s a kind of surrender. So, they’re stuck. They can’t win, and they won’t surrender – so all they can do is fight a lost battle and cry about it.

    • Ellen
      Ellen on May 7, 2019, 12:15 am

      Nathan, You surely do have a lot of projection going on in your post. Much of it right out of Hasbara Zentral.

      And it’s legitimate that Mondoweiss is anti-Israel and calls for her demise,…

      Where and when has there ever been a call from the demise if Israel by the authors contributing to this site?

      And on another note, why is Israel referred to as a person or living creature, “she?” This strikes as so odd.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 7, 2019, 8:10 am

        || Ellen: … on another note, why is Israel referred to as a person or living creature, “she?” This strikes as so odd. ||

        The idea that “the Arabs” don’t just want to attack/ravage/destroy a state but a female serves to play up Israel’s victimhood and to further demonize “the Arabs”.

        Nathan is trying to make Israel out to be the rape victim when, in fact, it is the victimizer.

        Even his co-collectivist, Boris, disagrees with Nathan’s assessment:

        … Zionists, Israel — are the strong fighting Jews. The future is with them.

      • Jon66
        Jon66 on May 7, 2019, 8:51 am

        Ellen,
        “And on another note, why is Israel referred to as a person or living creature, “she?” This strikes as so odd.”

        Your really teaching here.

        This is the normal convention in English. Have you ever heard the lyrics of God Bless America?

        http://mentalfloss.com/article/53108/why-are-countries-feminine

      • Jon66
        Jon66 on May 7, 2019, 8:51 am

        Eljay,
        Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 7, 2019, 9:38 am

        || Jon66 Eljay,
        Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. ||

        Sure. But when it isn’t, we all know what “the Arabs” want to do to “her” with their “cigars”.

      • Jon66
        Jon66 on May 7, 2019, 5:13 pm

        Eljay,
        “Sure. But when it isn’t, we all know what “the Arabs” want to do to “her” with their “cigars”.”

        I’ll defer to you. Judging by your previous comments you know much more about rape and bondage than I.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 7, 2019, 6:00 pm

        || Jon66: Eljay,
        “Sure. But when it isn’t, we all know what “the Arabs” want to do to “her” with their “cigars”.”

        I’ll defer to you. Judging by your previous comments you know much more about rape and bondage than I. ||

        Not possible, as I’m not a Zionist.

      • Nathan
        Nathan on May 7, 2019, 7:34 pm

        Ellen – In order to understand the call for Israel’s demise in the Mondoweiss website, one needs the capability to read between the lines. As an example of reading between the lines, I’ll refer you to your own comment to me in which you coin an expression: “Hasbara Zentral”. Why did you spell “central” with a “z”? Well, it’s not really too difficult to figure out. The German language uses the “z”, and so you wanted to bring up the image of the Nazi era. That’s lowly propaganda, isn’t it?

        Anyway, you are interested in an article that calls for the demise of Israel. There have been many, but to make things easy, I’ll refer you to an article that is on the site right now: “Oh Lord, Deliver Me from My People” by Prof. Marc Ellis. The professor writes:

        “The Israeli bombing of Gaza once again brought this crisis to a head but, of course, it is the entire Israeli enterprise and the now-permanent occupation of Palestine that really tells the story…”

        You see, Ellen, the problem isn’t just the war (the bombing) or the occupation of the West Bank. The issue is “the entire Israeli enterprise”. Obviously, without actually saying that the very existence of Israel is the “problem”, the professor nevertheless succeeded in telling us exactly that.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on May 7, 2019, 8:07 pm

        Referring to countries as “she”, and portraying them as women, used to be the convention, but it was getting a bit old-fashioned even when I was young.

        And anyway, a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

        https://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/betrothed.html

      • Ellen
        Ellen on May 8, 2019, 2:14 am

        Jon66, regardless of Irving Berlin’s schmaltzy song, “God Bless America,” written 100 years ago, it is WEIRD in today’s world and sensibilities to refer to a country as “she.” And those today who refer to Israel as She, sound wacky. Just comes across that way and just sayin’.

      • Ellen
        Ellen on May 8, 2019, 2:32 am

        Nathan, you continue to project a whole lot of stuff here. You have to reach through lines and project to make the argument that this site actively calls for the demise of Israel. This is a tactic to deem any criticism a national threat to the nation state of Israel.

        As for using Z instead of C for the word Central, read whatever you want into it. Even if mocking Hasbara with imagines of a the times of Nazi rule in Germany, that is not incorrect on many levels concerning modern propaganda.

        (Besides, Deutsch ist meine zweite Sprache . Ich denke auf Deutsch. So I think sometimes in German and make typos, even with entire words. )

        Germans did master modern propaganda techniques of the times back in the day, and as Hasbara is a form of propaganda, it is perhaps appropriate to allude to all sources of modern propaganda efforts with “Zentral.”

    • eljay
      eljay on May 7, 2019, 7:54 am

      || Nathan: … Most of the statements remind the listeners that “Israel has the right to defend itself”. … ||

      I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself.

      But what you Zionists hypocritically mean when you make this claim is that Israel has a “right”:
      – to be a supremacist state;
      – to steal, occupy and colonize as much territory as possible outside of its / Partition borders;
      – to flout international law (incl. RoR) and disrespect human rights with impunity;
      – to commit (and to empower Zionists to commit) “necessary evil” (war) crimes; and
      – to be absolved of responsibility and accountability for the “necessary evil” (war) crimes it commits (it has empowered Zionists to commit).

      None of those Zionist “rights” have anything to do with a legitimate and moral right of self-defense.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso on May 7, 2019, 9:59 am

      @Nathan

      Your ignorance is beyond words!! As is inevitable in Hasbara Central, you are drowning in lies.

      FACT: Palestinians have long since accepted “[Israel’s] existence as a permanent fact of life….”

      To wit:
      By signing the 1993 Oslo Accords, the PLO accepted UNSC Res. 242 and thereby agreed to recognize a sovereign Israel within the 1949 armistice lines, i.e., as of 4 June 1967 – 78% of mandated Palestine.

      The PLO also agreed to the US/EU/UN supported 2002 Arab League Beirut Summit Peace Initiative, which offers “Israel” full recognition as a sovereign state (per UNSC Res. 242, i.e., within its June 4/67 boundaries with possible minor, equal and mutually agreed land swaps), exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if “Israel” complies with international law (e.g., the UN Charter, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Fourth Geneva Convention and the Rome Statute, binding on all UN members.) Fully aware of “Israel’s” demographic concerns, the Beirut initiative does not demand the return of all Palestinian refugees. In accordance with “Israel’s” pledge given to the UNGA in 1949 and by signing the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference Protocol to abide by UNGA Res. 194 regarding the then 800,000 Palestinian refugees (determined by Walter Eytan, then Director General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry) as a precondition for admittance to the UN (after being rejected twice), the Arab League’s Initiative “calls upon Israel to affirm” that it agrees to help pursue the “achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem…” “Israel” ignored the Arab League’s peace proposal.

      Also, for the record:
      The Beirut Arab Summit Initiative was “formally accepted by the [then] ‘supreme leader’ of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei. [Furthermore, Sheikh] Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has made it clear that Hezbollah would not disrupt such an agreement if it is accepted by Palestinians [and] Hamas has repeatedly indicated its willingness to negotiate in these terms.” (“On the US-Israeli Invasion of Lebanon” by Professor Noam Chomsky, Znet, August 23, 2006)

      Notably, the Beirut Arab Summit Initiative has also been adopted by the Organization of Islamic States which includes Iran. (Akiva Eldar, “What will happen if Israel ‘defeats’ Obama?” – Ha’aretz, 1 June 2009)

      “…in May 2003, a conference of the member states’ foreign ministers [of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation] in Tehran ‘reaffirmed its support to, and adoption of, the Arab peace initiative for resolving the issue of Palestine and the Middle-East.’ Indeed, an information leaflet about the peace initiative posted on the Arab League’s official website shows the flags of all countries that endorse the proposal, including those of Libya, Syria — and Iran.” (“Why is Israel so afraid of the Arab Peace Initiative?, by Raphael Ahren, The Times of Israel, 18 June 2013.)

      As for the much touted 2000 Camp David Summit, working in tandem, Barak and Clinton tried to shove a very bad deal down Arafat’s throat. It could only be rejected. Suffice to quote Shlomo Ben-Ami, then “Israel’s” foreign minister and lead negotiator at Camp David: “Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.” (National Public Radio, 14 February 2006.)

      The “offer” made in 2008 by then Israeli PM Ehud Olmert was never seen as serious because it lacked cabinet approval, he was under indictment for corruption with only a few weeks left in office, had only a 6% favorable rating, and, therefore, couldn’t have closed the deal, even if the Palestinians had accepted it. (Olmert was imprisoned.)

      Re: Hamas:
      On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.”

      “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories. ” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010) No response from “Israel.” (By calling for a “resolution of the issue of refugees,” Haniyeh was in accordance with UNGA Res. 194, which calls for financial compensation as a possible option for the Palestinian refugees rather than their “inalienable Right of Return.”)

      In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, “Israel” ignored the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

      https://www.haaretz.com/isr…
      “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’” By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz. No response from “Israel.”

      Unfortunately, “Israel’s” response to every peace overture from the Palestinians, including Hamas, and the Arab states, has been rapidly increasing illegal settlement construction along with escalating dispossession and violent oppression of the indigenous Arabs.

      As for Netanyahu and the Likud party, here’s a brief summation of their positions that are contrary to international law and explain why the conflict continues:

      The Likud Party Platform:
      a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
      b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
      c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
      d. “…. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

      • Nathan
        Nathan on May 7, 2019, 8:06 pm

        Misterioso – I would suggest that you actually read the new Hamas Charter. Yes, they agree to the founding of a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza. However, they insist that all of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea be an Islamic state. So, they have no problem that next week there be a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza, but they make it clear that the struggle goes on until the defeat of Israel and the founding of their Islamic state in its place.

        I understand that you can’t even write your own name in Arabic, but still you must be aware of the fact that Hamas has no intention of accepting Israel’s existence (even if all your information comes from English language sources). You yourself can’t accept Israel’s existence. Your comment is really misleading and manipulative.

        The Palestinians do NOT recognize Israel. They had to recognize Israel in order to finalize the Oslo Agreement, so they “recognized” Israel. In other words, they were willing to admit that indeed there is a state called Israel. However, they do not recognize Israel in the sense that the state is legitimate. In their eyes the state is entirely illegitimate. Any final deal with Israel will mean that they grant legitimacy to this state, and that will never happen. They could accept the founding of a Palestinian state on the West Bank, but this can only be on condition that the agreement is not final (i.e. the conflict continues). If the agreement is final, it will be rejected.

        Go study Arabic.

      • eljay
        eljay on May 7, 2019, 8:45 pm

        || Nathan: … The Palestinians do NOT recognize Israel. … ||

        There’s no reason the Palestinians (or anyone else, for that matter) should “recognize” an Israel that:
        – insists on being a supremacist state;
        – continues to steal and colonize as much territory as possible outside of its / Paritition borders;
        – refuses to honour its obligations under international law (incl. RoR and/or reparations); and
        – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes.

        I agree that the Palestinians would be foolish to refuse an offer that includes:
        – two secular and democratic states (and a Free City of Jerusalem) of and for their respective citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally;
        – operating within their respective (Partition) borders;
        – respecting and upholding international laws (incl. RoR and/or reparations) and human rights; and
        – accepting responsibility and accountability for past and on-going (war) crimes committed.

        But there’s not a chance in hell that Zionists or their “Jewish State” construct will ever offer this (relatively) just and moral option to them.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye on May 8, 2019, 1:58 pm

        Nathan, how about pointing us to the date(s) in history when israel recognised Palestine?

  5. Peacefan
    Peacefan on May 6, 2019, 9:03 pm

    @ Nathan, Mondoweiss is not a politician so if they want to be one-sided it is irrelevant to this debate. As for “he only way to achieve some of the goals is through a negotiated end of the conflict. However, by negotiating with Israel, the Palestinians will have to accept her existence as a permanent fact of life, and that’s a kind of surrender. ” you seems to forget that the Palestinians have tried to negotiate from 1993 to 2014 without any results to show for it, just more settlements. They have recognised Israel multiple times, I’m still waiting for Israel to recognise the State of Palestine and to withdraw to their international recognised borders.

  6. Kay24
    Kay24 on May 7, 2019, 9:43 am

    This should make most people go “hmmm…”

    “Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency reportedly tipped off the United States on an impending Iranian attack on American interests in the Gulf, prompting Washington to deploy an aircraft carrier strike group to the region late Sunday, in a sharp escalation of US President Donald Trump’s pressure campaign.

    John Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser who advocated attacking Iran before taking up the post, announced late Sunday that the USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group would sail to unspecified waters in the vicinity of Iran”

    More:
    “According to Israel’s Channel 13, Israeli officials conveyed information gathered largely by the Mossad on an Iranian plan to attack either a US or US-allied target, details of which were not provided to the network.

    The threat was initially raised two weeks ago in the White House, officials told Channel 13, when an Israeli delegation led by National Security Council head Meir Ben-Shabbat huddled with their American counterparts.

    “It is still unclear to us what the Iranians are trying to do and how they are planning to do it, but it is clear to us that the Iranian temperature is on the rise as a result of the growing US pressure campaign against them, and they are considering retaliating against US interests in the Gulf,” an official was quoted as saying.” Times of Israel.

    Now that Crooked Bibi has got Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, he must be pushing for another favor.

    • eljay
      eljay on May 7, 2019, 10:32 am

      || Kay24: … Now that Crooked Bibi has got Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, he must be pushing for another favor. ||

      Not to worry: Donald  The Great Negotiator (trust me)  Trump won’t give anything away to Israel without getting something return for America. You can bet he’ll make Bibi throw in a pair of sparkly golden boots (the most beautiful – the greatest – boots ever made, you’ve never seen anything like them) to complement his “Grand Marshal of the Israeli day Parade” cloak, crown and sceptre.

      • ckg
        ckg on May 7, 2019, 6:54 pm

        Now would be a good time for Tlaib, Omar, and AOC to sign up as cosponsors of McCollum’s bill. Not a single member of Congress, other than McCollum, has signed up. None.

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