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On May 31, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill that prohibits anti-Semitism in public schools and universities throughout the state. However, the legislation also equates criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism, effectively censoring the advocacy of Palestinian rights.

Two days before DeSantis officially signed HB 741 into law in Florida, he carried out a symbolic signing during a ceremonial state cabinet meeting in Israel. The session featured a variety of Israeli speakers and culminated with Florida lawmakers issuing a declaration of support for the country. “Since we’re in Jerusalem, we may actually get some interest in our Cabinet meetings for a change, which would be great,” joked DeSantis during the meeting. A number of news organizations filed a lawsuit against the state’s government, claiming that the meeting violated Florida’s transparency law, as it took place in a foreign country and wasn’t made publicly accessible to journalists. Although they weren’t officially listed as members of DeSantis’ delegation, he was accompanied by pro-Israel megadonors Sheldon and Miriam Adelson.

HB 741 states that, “A public K-20 educational institution must treat discrimination by students or employees or resulting from institutional policies motivated by anti-Semitic intent in an identical manner to discrimination motivated by race.” The bill identifies anti-Semitism as calls for violence against Jews, Holocaust denial, or the promotion of conspiracy theories that target Jewish people, but it also contains an entire section that equates Israel criticism with the prohibited anti-Semitism. This includes, “applying a double standard to Israel by requiring behavior of Israel that is not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.” According to the bill’s text, criticism of Israel is always anti-Semitic unless it is “similar to criticism toward any other country.”

“We know what could happen in Florida from the chilling effects we’ve already seen elsewhere: human rights defenders will be smeared as antisemites, investigated by schools, and in some cases punished. Events will be cancelled, or censored via bureaucratic harassment. Theses will not be written. Debates in class will not take place. And many activists will self-censor out of pure exhaustion,” Palestine Legal’s senior staff attorney Meera Shah told Mondoweiss, “All of this profoundly diminishes Florida’s ability to educate students to be leaders in a global economy.”

The House version of HB 741 was sponsored by State Representative Randy Fine, a rabidly pro-Israel lawmaker who has held office since 2016. In April, after Sen. Audrey Gibson voted against HB 741’s companion bill and called it “divisive”, Fine denounced the Senate Democratic Leader and called on Democrats to “hold her accountable.” “It is sad that in the world propagated by Washington Democrats like Congresswomen Ihlan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and Tallahassee Democrats like Audrey Gibson, fighting anti-Semitism is ‘divisive’, said Fine. “In this time of rising anti-Semitism around both the country and globe, it is unconscionable that the most powerful Democrat in the Florida Senate would vote against banning discrimination based on anti-Semitism.”

That same month, Fine made headlines for referring to a Jewish constituent as “Judenrat”, a term used to describe Jews who collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2. Fine used the word in reference to Paul Halpern, a Palm Bay resident who organized a panel discussion regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict. Fine took to Facebook to criticize the panel for being anti-Semitic. “First, there is no ‘Palestine,’” Fine wrote. “Second, having a bunch of speakers who advocate for the destruction of Israel but promise that this one time they won’t, is a joke. We should not engage these bigots. We crush them.” After Halpern pushed back on this assertion and pointed out that the majority of the panelists were Jewish, Fine responded, ″#JudenratDontCount..I know that Judenrat liked to keep tabs on all the Jews in order to report back to the Nazis back in that time, but no one is making you continue that tradition today.”

“In my mind, Judenrat is the worst thing that you can call a Jewish person,” Halpern told the Huffington Post, “He’s despicable as a representative and a person.”

Governor DeSantis is a close ally of the President and some believe that the Israel trip could help deliver Florida for Trump in 2020. “For a lot of Jewish voters, this trip puts an exclamation point on the Republican Party’s commitment to Israel and to Jewish people,” the Republican Jewish Coalition’s Neil Strauss recently proclaimed, “We saw a nice rise in support for Gov. DeSantis and we want to keep that going. Florida is the best example of where if Republicans gain Jewish voters, it can make a real difference.”

Although HB 741 faced little political resistance, a group of Jewish Floridians sent a letter to DeSantis in April asking him to veto the legislation. One of the letters signatories, the constitutional lawyer Alan Levine, co-authored an Orlando Sentinel op-ed the following month with community psychologist Donna Nevel which denounces the bill. “There is little doubt that a prosecution under HB 741 for criticizing Israel will be challenged as unconstitutional,” they wrote, “But beyond that, we should all be deeply troubled by any attempt by the government to put someone in jail simply for speaking out on a matter of such public concern as a country’s human rights violations.”

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  1. eljay
    eljay on June 6, 2019, 10:02 am

    … The bill … contains an entire section that equates Israel critcism with the prohibited anti-Semitism. This includes, “applying a double standard to Israel by requiring behavior of Israel that is not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.” …

    And there you have it: There’s nothing remotely anti-Semitic about expecting and demanding that, like any other democratic nation, Israel…
    – respect and uphold international laws and human rights;
    – not be a supremacist state;
    – not engage in military occupation and colonialism;
    – not commit torture, murder or any other type of (war) crime; and
    – be held accountable for any (war) crimes it did / does / will commit.

    I’m baffled by the stupidity and hypocrisy of (pro-)Zionists.

    • FightTribalism
      FightTribalism on June 6, 2019, 1:54 pm

      The bill is not stupid at all. It places hurdles and qualifiers on critics of Israel. That is vile but not stupid.

      • eljay
        eljay on June 6, 2019, 2:04 pm

        || FightTribalism: The bill is not stupid at all. … ||

        Didn’t say it was.

    • LiberatePalestine
      LiberatePalestine on June 7, 2019, 7:13 am

      The law itself «appl[ies] a double standard to» the Zionist entity by singling it out for political protection through suppression of fair and reasonable criticism. And it falsely defines the Zionist entity as a «democratic nation».

      The law is also anti-Semitic for linking Jews, in typical Zionist fashion, to the contemptible fascist Anglo-Yankee colonial excrescence that occupies Palestine.

      Anyone harassed under this law should consider a constitutional challenge based on freedom of speech and other rights.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso on June 7, 2019, 11:04 am

      @eljay, et al

      Breaking News:

      https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/German-parliament-rejects-ban-of-Hezbollah-snubbing-US-and-German-Jews-591800

      “GERMAN PARLIAMENT REJECTS BAN OF HEZBOLLAH, SNUBBING U.S. AND GERMAN JEWS” Jerusalem post, BY BENJAMIN WEINTHAL June 7/19

      “The parties Christian Democratic Union, Christian Social Union, The Left, The Greens and Free Democrats opposed an anti-Hezbollah bill authored by the far-right party Alternative for Germany party.”

      EXCERPT:
      “Germany’s Bundestag rejected a bill on Thursday to outlaw the Lebanese terrorist organization Hezbollah in the federal republic.

      “An array of parties comprising the Christian Democratic Union, Christian Social Union, the Social Democratic Party, the Left, the Greens and Free Democrats opposed an anti-Hezbollah bill authored by the far-right party Alternative for Germany party.

      “The mainstream German parties’ rejection of the motion to ban Hezbollah comes a week after an urgent appeal from the Central Council of Jews in Germany to outlaw Hezbollah amid rising Jew-hatred in the federal republic. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo requested last Friday that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s administration proscribe Hezbollah as a terrorist entity.

      “The Jerusalem Post reported on Wednesday that a German intelligence report from the state of Lower Saxony asserts the number of Hezbollah members and supporters in Germany has climbed from 950 in 2017 to 1,050 in 2018.

      “’For a long time we have been calling for a ban on the anti-Semitic terrorist organization #Hezbollah,” the American Jewish Committee’s Berlin office tweeted on Thursday. ‘It is regrettable that this topic is now being taken up by the right-wing populists. We hope that all democratic parties will finally seek this prohibition. #Bundestag.’

      “Kathrin Vogler of the Left Party – widely considered an anti-Israel party – spoke against the anti-Hezbollah bill during the debate. The Left party’s MP Christine Buchholz has defended the ‘legitimate resistance’ of Hezbollah against the Jewish state. Buchholz has also showed support for the EU and US designated terrorist entity Hamas.

      “The Green Party’s Omid Nouripour, who played a role in a Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions initiative against Israel in 2013, voiced his opposition to the anti-Hezbollah resolution.

      “A leading Green Party MP Jürgen Trittin has shown sympathy for Hezbollah, declaring: ‘We must speak with Hezbollah.’

      “The Christian Democratic Union’s Christian de Vries voiced his opposition to the anti-Hezbollah bill, saying there should be an ‘EU solution’ for a ban of Hezbollah.”

  2. Liz
    Liz on June 6, 2019, 11:34 am

    It’s only a matter of time until more states adopt a similar bill. The hypocrisy and increased totalitarianism in public schools is no joke.

    • just
      just on June 6, 2019, 12:06 pm

      Funny you should mention that, Liz. Check this out:

      “GOD, GAS, AND CASH: HOW TEXAS FELL IN LOVE WITH ISRAEL — AND THEN TRAMPLED ON THE CONSTITUTION …

      ON THE AFTERNOON of April 19, 2018, a group of Texas Republicans received an email confirming their upcoming all-expenses-paid trips to Israel. An orientation packet filled with background on their destination “for reading on the flight,” the message said, was forthcoming.

      The May 2018 trip to Israel would not be Texas politicians’ first — Gov. Greg Abbott, for one, flew to Israel on casino magnate Sheldon Adelson’s private jet in 2016.

      But it was unique in at least one crucial way: The trip was organized by the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, according to records obtained by the Center for Media and Democracy and reviewed by The Intercept. The right-wing group of over 2,000 state legislators, lobbyists, and corporate backers writes legislation to be exported to statehouses around the country and has largely focused on issues like “stand your ground” gun laws and voter suppression efforts. By leading a delegation to Israel, ALEC was opening up a new front, demonstrating the extent to which support for Israel has become a central part of the GOP’s policy agenda, especially in Texas.

      The delegation, which included eight elected Texas officials, was a reflection of Texas Republicans’ deep ties to Israel: rooted in a combination of economic interests, an Israel-loving evangelical base, and pro-Israel advocates whose campaign contributions have helped the state’s GOP maintain its 16-year governing trifecta. Those ties have grown stronger in recent years, even as Israel lurches to the extremist right, entrenches its military occupation of Palestinian land, and continues to build settlements, considered by most of the world illegal under international law.

      “The Israelis are kind of like cowboys. They’re tough and gritty and they don’t take any shit from anybody.”
      As the Trump administration maintains the friendliest U.S. relationship with the Israeli right in history, Texas has become one of the most pro-Israel states in the country. It has forged ties with Israeli settlements and aggressively enforced a law targeting advocates of boycotting Israel. Its exports to Israel last year topped $900 million, and its imports from Israel are valued at $1.5 billion, according to the Texas Economic Development Corporation, making Texas the fourth biggest Israeli trade partner in the U.S. (Florida, however, is now competing with Texas over supporting Israel: The state’s Trump-backed governor, Ron DeSantis, who campaigned on a promise to be America’s most pro-Israel governor, traveled to Israel on a “business development mission” with members of his cabinet in late May and was on hand to applaud the announcement of a student exchange program between Ariel University, an institution located in an Israeli settlement deep in the occupied West Bank, and Florida Atlantic University.)

      “I think we have a lot in common with Israel,” Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, an adviser to Trump’s 2016 election campaign who once shared a meme on Facebook suggesting the U.S. drop a nuclear bomb on the “Muslim world,” told The Intercept. “The Israelis are kind of like cowboys. They’re tough and gritty and they don’t take any shit from anybody.” …’

      much, much more @ https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/israel-texas-government-relationship/

      It’s dreadful, imho.

      • JWalters
        JWalters on June 6, 2019, 6:43 pm

        The Israelis are kind of like the mafia. They’re tough and gritty and they don’t take shit from the US Constitution.

      • just
        just on June 6, 2019, 8:41 pm

        The US Congress, other elected or chosen US ‘leaders’ , and the President (s) are to blame for not respecting the Constitution. Of course, they are corrupted by the benjamins and their lack of respect for the Palestinians in this case. So it comes down to their constituents acknowledging the truth, making serious noise, and voting them out if they don’t act differently. I think many US citizens choose to remain in the dark about US shenanigans overseas, and far too few vote. US ‘foreign policy’ is worse than ever!

      • Citizen
        Citizen on June 8, 2019, 7:36 am

        The same thing is happening in Florida, which has an anti-BDS law, and whose governor went to Israel recently and made all kinds of deals and cooperative agreements, memorandums of understanding with Netanyahu and the media and Florida’s legislature didn’t even know about it until he was back home in Florida.

  3. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw on June 6, 2019, 11:35 am

    A similar threat to free speech was made in the official Youtube video sharing website which is owned by google by its change of policy announced today.
    “Today, we’re taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status. This would include, for example, videos that promote or glorify Nazi ideology, which is inherently discriminatory”. https://youtube.googleblog.com/
    That must include Israel with its ‘Jews only’ immigration policy [basic law 1950], its over 50 laws which discriminate against Palestinians and its recent blatantly racist ‘Nation state law’ [also a basic law] which favours Jews over any other group in Israel.

    • FightTribalism
      FightTribalism on June 6, 2019, 1:56 pm

      I have been seeing incredibly vile Islamophobic comments on the internet since 90’s but now that tide is turning against Israel, all of a sudden censorship is being implemented.

    • JWalters
      JWalters on June 6, 2019, 6:46 pm

      Yes. We need a big, fat, whopping lawsuit against Israel on the very grounds you cite. Put this on center stage and blow these criminals to smithereens.

  4. just
    just on June 6, 2019, 11:39 am

    Thanks for this, Michael. I actually bookmarked an AP article found in Haaretz on May 30th, hoping that this very issue would be highlighted here. I did not notice it in your links, so here it is:

    … “The Republican governor then signed a bill that prohibits anti-Semitism in Florida’s public schools and universities. The new law defines anti-Semitism as including “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis,” ”blaming Israel for all interreligious or political tensions,” or “requiring behavior of Israel that is not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.”

    DeSantis called the meeting historic, but the open-government watchdog organization First Amendment Foundation and several news outlets sued in an effort to stop it, claiming it violated a state law that requires government meetings to be accessible to the public.

    DeSantis didn’t acknowledge the lawsuit during the meeting, but quipped, “Since we’re in Jerusalem, we may actually get some interest in our Cabinet meetings for a change, which would be great.”

    At an earlier briefing, he called the lawsuit “frivolous” and said the event was being livestreamed, “so it’s not being done in secret.”

    A judge was asked Tuesday to stop the meeting, but the emergency motion was denied because lawyers for DeSantis and the three independently elected Cabinet members could not be served with court papers. First Amendment Foundation President Barbara Petersen said after the Cabinet meeting that she will still ask the judge to rule the meeting was a violation of law and ask for an order saying future meetings can’t be held out of state.

    “Just don’t do this, that’s the point. Don’t do it,” Petersen said. “The issue is holding a Cabinet meeting somewhere other than Florida.”

    The Cabinet is made up of Attorney General Ashley Moody, Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis and Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried. The meeting was part of a four-day trade mission to Israel. They heard from Israelis on issues also important to Florida, including maintaining a stable water supply, preparing emergency responses and terrorism.

    The meeting was live-streamed by The FLORIDA Channel, a state-funded television station based in the Florida Capitol. It was broadcast in the Cabinet’s usual meeting room and accommodations were made in the event members of the public wanted to comment on the proceedings.

    But the Cabinet room was largely empty beyond staff and reporters, and technical glitches hampered the broadcast.

    The meeting opened with a prayer given by administrative law Judge Bob Cohen, who was in the Tallahassee meeting room. But the conference call dropped the connection in the middle of the prayer.

    As staff tried to reconnect, they repeatedly punched in the wrong code number. DeSantis and the Cabinet sat waiting for a reconnection as an automated voice said over and over, in Tallahassee and Jerusalem, “I’m sorry, I did not recognize that conference code. Please try again.”

    DeSantis then asked Patronis to say the prayer instead.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/florida-cabinet-meets-in-israel-signs-anti-semitism-bill-1.7305541?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Fine appears to be a despicable anti- democratic bigot, and an Islamophobe. DeSantis is grovelling for the benjamins and the apartheid state. Check out this photo of the DeSantis couple from wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_DeSantis#/media/File:Ron_DeSantis_and_Casey_DeSantis.jpg

  5. FightTribalism
    FightTribalism on June 6, 2019, 1:52 pm

    Over time outrageous injustices are becoming accepted as a norm.

  6. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson on June 6, 2019, 2:58 pm

    RE: That same month, Fine made headlines for referring to a Jewish constituent as “Judenrat”, a term used to describe Jews who collaborated with the Nazis during World War 2. Fine used the word in reference to Paul Halpern, a Palm Bay resident . . . ~ Michael Arria

    SEE: “Jewish constituent targeted by state Rep. Randy Fine’s ‘Judenrat’ comment calls for apology” | By Steven Lemongello | Orlando Sentinel | April 16, 2019
    LINKhttps://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-randy-fine-comments-reaction-20190416-story.html

  7. JWalters
    JWalters on June 6, 2019, 7:03 pm

    We have here another historical case of criminals making it “illegal” to talk about their crimes. The Israelis are as bad in this regard as the Communist Chinese, the Soviet Union, and the Nazis. This is dictatorship, tyranny, plain and simple.

    Many well-informed and thoughtful Jews have compared aspects of Israeli policies with those of the Nazis, documented by Mondoweiss. To forbid discussing FACTS about Israeli policies and how they compare with FACTS about Nazi policies is to forbid speech.

    Israelis claim such comparisons, even when made by educated Jews, are “hate speech”. That is, they claim the comparisons are motivated by hatred, and NOT by an analysis of FACTS.

    But their argument is merely to PRESUME hatred of Jews is the motive. They ignore the factual evidence in support of the comparison, and they provide no evidence whatsoever for their presumption that hate is the reason for the comparison.

    Their argument violates all evidence-based inquiry procedures, and violates common sense. How can we explain such glaring apparent insanity? The most logical explanation = MONEY + TREACHERY.

  8. Arby
    Arby on June 6, 2019, 8:00 pm

    What an evil being Ron DeSantis is.

  9. Marnie
    Marnie on June 7, 2019, 12:03 am

    And the dumbing down of american youth continues is march south. It smells of greed, corruption and the gut-wrenching fear of the truth. Into the abyss we go.

  10. CHUCKMAN
    CHUCKMAN on June 7, 2019, 6:23 am

    Such legislation is shameful, as all people embracing the best liberal spirit of Western tradition know.

    But people with special passions and loyalties have always been willing to cast aside larger principles to “support” what it is they are so passionate about, just like parents who break rules for their children’s advancement or advantage, a practice vividly coming to light in the recent national scandal over outfits who cheat the rules of admission for the best universities in return for handsome fees.

    It has been an endless battle in all societies that could be called even moderately democratic, and “moderately” is very much the operative word when it comes to the United States.

    Its entire history is marked by anything but a broad dedication to free and open society, no matter what the high school civics class textbooks or the Fourth of July speeches claim. It has been an uphill battle every step of the way for over two centuries.

    Today, all of Western society – not just the United States, although perhaps more visibly there than anywhere else because of the county’s immense influence on others – is faced with a determined, organized lobby which effectively opposes some of our best Western traditions – especially those of transparency in government, equal treatment under the law, and free speech – a special-interest lobby representing the narrow interests of a foreign state.

    When some members of the lobby are not maligning others openly with charges of prejudice for simply criticizing the behavior, and not the identity, of that state, they are lobbying legislators both in Washington and in many individual American states to see anti-constitutional legislation enacted, as it has been in a number of cases, including this in Florida.

    Anti-constitutional? Why, there’s always a remedy in the courts, isn’t there? Not really unless people are determined to spend substantial amounts of money and time seeking it. Plus, American high courts are heavily burdened and often slow to act.

    And even after a successful legal action, the lobby often marshals its resources on an alternative method for achieving much the same end.

    Since this is a phenomenon occurring in many jurisdictions, it represents a challenging effort to obtain fairness. After all, the special-interest lobby has made, and continues to make, serious focused efforts not only to get the legislation it wants but to protect it.

    The lobby seems to believe that (moderately) oppressive measures supporting its special cause, Israel, are acceptable and necessary. Either that, or it is so focused on its cause, it just doesn’t see the unfairness of what it is does. It represents dangerous thinking for the long-term interests and freedoms of hundreds of millions of people.

    The basic problem is carefully outlined here:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/2018/07/22/john-chuckman-comment-how-american-politics-really-work-why-there-are-terrible-candidates-and-constant-wars-and-peoples-problems-are-ignored-why-heroes-like-julian-assange-are-persecuted-and-r/

  11. LiberatePalestine
    LiberatePalestine on June 7, 2019, 7:21 am

    → said Fine, “In this time of rising anti-Semitism around both the country and globe, it is unconscionable that the most powerful Democrat in the Florida Senate would vote against banning discrimination based on anti-Semitism.”

    Typical Zionist misrepresentation. Criticism of the Zionist entity is not «discrimination», still less «discrimination based on anti-Semitism».

    Of course, no self-respecting Zionist should ever let such trifles as facts and integrity stand in the way of smear tactics.

  12. TerryHeaton
    TerryHeaton on June 7, 2019, 9:02 am

    “Incitement” is the most dangerous word in the world today.

  13. James Canning
    James Canning on June 7, 2019, 11:34 am

    Yet more “anti-Semitism” nonsense. I wonder if Florida’s governor is aware that Arabs are Semites?

    • LiberatePalestine
      LiberatePalestine on June 7, 2019, 6:34 pm

      Arabs, speaking as they do a Semitic language, are also a damn sight more Semitic than a bunch of Ashkenazim who speak Yiddish (a Germanic language), Polish, English, &c.

      The term anti-Semitism, referring exclusively to anti-Jewish sentiment, stems from outdated European ideas of «race». Specifically, Jews were said to belong to a Semitic «race», and since they were thought to be the only members of that «race» with a significant presence in Europe, anti-Semitism came to be used for Jews alone.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on June 11, 2019, 12:26 am

        btw- Liberate Palestine, People obsessing on “semite”, usually nut case jew haters. rule of thumb. Definite flashing red light. Best way to liberate Palestine is through Jew hatred? Maybe. I dunno.

      • LiberatePalestine
        LiberatePalestine on June 11, 2019, 9:00 am

        That’s nothing but a cheap attack. I’m not obsessed with the word, and I certainly don’t hate Jews. If that’s the extent of your arguments, you may as well go away now.

  14. Citizen
    Citizen on June 7, 2019, 11:46 am

    I have lived in Florida for 15 years and every attempt to contact my elected officials regarding anything involving Israel has resulted in either ignoring me or sending me pro-Israel boilerplate of the most general nature, never addressing any of my specific issues. Anybody else?

  15. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw on June 8, 2019, 9:08 am

    Maybe if criticism of Israel came from another source, besides BDS
    (Bind, Destroy and Strangle), politicians like DeSantis wouldn’t reflexively oppose criticism.

    • LiberatePalestine
      LiberatePalestine on June 8, 2019, 9:55 am

      Criticism of the Zionist entity comes from many sources, as you well know.

      And US politicians would indeed reflexively oppose criticism of the Zionist entity irrespective of the source.

      Do you consider it appropriate to dismiss criticism reflexively on account of the source? If not, what exactly is your point?

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on June 9, 2019, 1:30 pm

        @lp

        If you can’t deign to write ‘Israel’, than I will only write ‘Occupied Territories’ and ‘Hamastan’.

        Fair?

      • Mooser
        Mooser on June 9, 2019, 3:57 pm

        …”than I will only write ‘Occupied Territories’…” “Jackdaw”

        Go right ahead, Eunice, everybody will know what you mean.

      • LiberatePalestine
        LiberatePalestine on June 9, 2019, 5:22 pm

        You may write what you wish, but your proposed terminology is ill considered.

        «Occupied Territories» is used for certain parts of Palestine, whereas the Zionist entity occupies the whole of Palestine (not to mention a part of Syria). Of course, if you accept the dominant right-wing categories, you may well wish to speak of «Occupied Territories».

        I don’t think that I need to discuss «Hamastan».

        «Israël» refers to Jews collectively, so it is altogether an inappropriate name for the Zionist entity, precisely because it conflates the said entity with all Jews in the usual anti-Semitic Zionist manner.

        «The Zionist entity» is a perfect name for the originally British and now Yankee settler-colonial excrescence occupying Palestine: it is accurate and has a substantial following, and it avoids the trap of accepting the enemy’s politically motivated nomenclature.

    • eljay
      eljay on June 8, 2019, 3:33 pm

      || Jackdaw: Maybe if criticism of Israel came from another source, besides BDS
      (Bind, Destroy and Strangle), politicians like DeSantis wouldn’t reflexively oppose criticism. ||

      If legitimate criticism of Israel were to come from sources other than BDS (Benevolent Decency and Sincerity), those sources would just as quickly be condemned as anti-Semitic.

      Because if there’s two things Zionists can be counted on to do it’s:
      – routinely and anti-Semitically conflate Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Israel;
      – use that anti-Semitic conflation to justify the evils of Zionism and Israel and to “human shield” Zionism and Israel against legitimate criticism.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on June 8, 2019, 3:50 pm

      I see you did not read my comment of June 7 before you wrote yours on June 8. My criticism comes from me, not BDS. I’m just an average American taxpayer.

  16. Ossinev
    Ossinev on June 8, 2019, 10:41 am

    @Jackanory
    ” BDS
    (Bind, Destroy and Strangle)”

    Seriously pathetic attempt at a play on words.

    • edwardm
      edwardm on June 8, 2019, 4:33 pm

      …..especially considering all the innocent people Israelis have blinded destroyed and strangled.

  17. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw on June 9, 2019, 1:34 pm

    @Citizen

    Maybe your elected officials in Florida are listening to all their many pro-Israel constituents, who, want their elective officials to be pro-Israel?

    Maybe your elected officials in Florida are wisely avoiding the I/P vortex, which vortex others have foolishly entered despite the prominently displayed warning signs.

    • edwardm
      edwardm on June 9, 2019, 8:03 pm

      if “all their many pro-Israel constituents” are asking for our elected officials to trample on our civil rights then they shouldn’t be listening at all. All about the Benjamins. Again and again.

      “Does anyone need yet another politician
      caught with his pants down and money sticking in his hole?”

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw on June 10, 2019, 12:47 pm

        No. For six million American evangelical Christians, it’s not about $$.

        https://www.cufi.org

      • Mooser
        Mooser on June 10, 2019, 5:09 pm

        “No. For six million American evangelical Christians, it’s not about $$.”

        That’s right, “Jackdaw”. If there is anything Zionism can count on, it’s Christian Zionism.

        Will the Christian Zionists act as sicarii towards anti-Zionist Jews?

  18. Mooser
    Mooser on June 9, 2019, 4:01 pm

    “… despite the prominently displayed warning signs”

    What on earth are you supposed to be warning us about Eunice? The power of the Jews to make-or-break a US state over Zionism?

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw on June 10, 2019, 12:50 pm

      @Moosie

      Around 30 years ago, I schlepped a girl at a North Shore Synagogue mixer.

      I wonder….

  19. Mooser
    Mooser on June 10, 2019, 3:13 pm

    “Around 30 years ago, I schlepped a girl at a North Shore Synagogue mixer.”

    What did she do, look at you funny?

    [For those who may not be aware schlep means (in Yiddish) “to to strike a person, usually on the face, a blow with the open hand”.]

    • RoHa
      RoHa on June 10, 2019, 7:12 pm

      Thanks, Mooser. I thought it meant “to carry something heavy”, and I had visions of Jackdaw bearing a fat girl on his shoulders.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on June 11, 2019, 12:32 am

        RoHa, I think mooser is joking. although I have no idea how jackdaw is using the phrase, i have never heard shlep meaning to slap, the definition that mooser introduced was a definition of the english word slap. shlep, i’ve never heard used to mean slap and i doubt that it was ever used that way. jackdaw’s usage might be the first. but maybe he shlepped her into bed or something. ich weiss nicht.

        by the way, chutzpah is a hebrew origin word, seems to come from the book of daniel, which to be more precise is in aramaic. and the word tuchus- that comes from hebrew, tachat means bottom. meshuga- hebrew, shigayon is very often found in el biblio. the original testament, the one with every chapter devoted to specialness.

      • Keith
        Keith on June 11, 2019, 10:08 am

        ROHA- “I thought it meant “to carry something heavy”….”

        It does. But since “Jackdaw’s” real name is Eunice, it makes his/her comment truly bizarre.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus on June 11, 2019, 11:00 am

        RoHa,

        Consider two phonetic habits of native Modern Constructed Hebrew speakers: their tendency to confuse the English /a/ and /e/ phonemes, and the different kinds of sibilants. And, of course, Mooser’s habits.

        It got the desired result all right but with Reb Friedman, a native English speaker.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on June 11, 2019, 11:45 am

        ” he shlepped her into bed or something. ich weiss nicht.”

        “wj”, If you can’t figure out that “Eunice” simply mangled the word “schtupp”, Jewish continuity is in real danger!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on June 11, 2019, 11:55 am

        “But since “Jackdaw’s” real name is Eunice, it makes his/her comment truly bizarre.”

        “RoHa”, you know how a landsman is.
        To lay aloft in a howling gale may tickle a landsman’s taste. But the happiest hour a sailor sees is when he’s down at an inland town, with his Nancy on his knees, yeo-ho!

      • gamal
        gamal on June 11, 2019, 6:00 pm

        ” If you can’t figure out that ”

        Ironic when “schtupp” implies knowing on the very best authority, everything so fardreyt..these days.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on June 11, 2019, 9:38 pm

        More support for my contention that everyone should eschew these foreign tongues and stick to Mr. G. Chaucer’s invention*.

        (* As enriched by Mr. W. Shakespeare, and perfected by Mr. C. Lamb and Sir P. G. Wodehouse, KBE, and recorded in the OED, 1884-1928 edition. I have doubts about the Supplement.)

  20. Mooser
    Mooser on June 12, 2019, 11:41 am

    ” everything so fardreyt..these days.”

    I agree. “RoHa” left WS Gilbert (OBE, eventually) off his list.

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