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Tonight President Trump ordered a strike on the Baghdad airport that killed a top Iranian general, Qassim Suleimani, along with an Iraqi militia leader. Many experts say that this is an act of war, and Iran is sure to retaliate, as are Iraqi militias. The entire region is said to be on edge from Syria to Lebanon to Israel, fearing a “potential massive regional war,” as Sen. Chris Murphy warns.

The central political question about the assassination is, Why would a president who calls himself antiwar take such a huge risk in an election year?

Donald Trump is running for reelection as an antiwar candidate. He lately gave a speech in which he called the Iraq war “the single worst mistake this country has ever made,” slammed the “military industrial complex,” and told a wrenching story about watching the military coffins being wheeled down off the planes at Dover and family members throwing themselves on the caskets. Trump spoke of never ending wars:

These wars, they never end.  And we have to bring our great soldiers back from the never-ending wars.

Tonight Trump damaged his hopes for reelection, Sina Toossi of the National Iranian American Council says.

Trump thinks he got his Bin Laden moment in an election year. In reality, he’s made the worst strategic mistake by an American leader since the Iraq invasion. The consequences will be felt for years to come. Ensuing quagmire will damage US global position & his reelection chances

I want to believe that Toossi is right, but Trump is as shrewd as they come and I don’t think he acted to endanger his political fortunes, but to enhance them.

Look at who is pleased by the attack, Israel. Israel’s top general has lately declared that some wars are good, and Israel may need to strike civilian targets in Lebanon to set back Hezbollah, the Iranian ally. Even “Peace Now” praises U.S. aggression. The first expert quoted in the New York Times coverage of the attack is Israel lobbyist Mark Dubowitz, and he is very happy.

“This is devastating for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, the regime and [Supreme Leader Ayatollah] Khamenei’s regional ambitions… For 23 years, [Suleimani] has been the equivalent of the J.S.O.C. commander [Joint Special Operations Command], the C.I.A. director and Iran’s real foreign minister,” Mr. Dubowitz said… “He is irreplaceable and indispensable” to Iran’s military establishment.

No doubt Sheldon Adelson, Trump’s biggest donor at well over $100 million to Republican causes, is also pleased by the strike. Six years ago we broke the news that Adelson called on Obama to hit Iran with a nuclear strike. Adelson said at Yeshiva University in New York:

What are we going to negotiate about? I would say ‘Listen, you see that desert out there, I want to show you something.’ …You pick up your cell phone and you call somewhere in Nebraska and you say, ‘OK let it go.’ And so there’s an atomic weapon, goes over ballistic missiles, the middle of the desert, that doesn’t hurt a soul. Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes, and scorpions, or whatever. Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development.

These days Adelson gets to make such arguments right into the president’s ear.

Trump knew just what he was doing tonight, and he saw it as enhancing his reelection hopes– even if it means more American coffins coming off planes.

Eli Clifton agrees; this is a transactional president. And Cory Booker was on MSNBC tonight (and CNN too) talking about how this would affect Israel. He’s running for president too…

Nothing about Israel on the cables and in the New York Times, though.

h/t James North and Scott Roth. 

Philip Weiss

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  1. Kay24 on January 3, 2020, 5:53 am

    This could be a case of “wag the dog”, or Trump doing what he said Obama might do – start a war to win an election.

    Bush and Cheney’s unnecessary war on Iraq saw serious consequences, and a negative domino effect in the region, which we can see still today. Trump, without the approval of Congress has taken upon himself to attack an Iranian official, which could result in a WORSE situation for the region, and for US interests. Only Israel and Saudi Arabia will cheer him on.
    The republicans will blindly support him, and will also be responsible for the consequences.
    What goes around usually comes around.

    • echinococcus on January 3, 2020, 10:10 am

      Kay,

      Let’s fix the text by adding some (unintentionally, I’m sure) overlooked facts:

      “Bush and Cheney’s unnecessary” but first and foremost criminal “war on Iraq”…

      “Trump, without the approval of Congress”, if you mean without a declaration of war, just like Clinton, Bush and Obama, “has taken upon himself to attack…”. If you mean the AUMF when you say “approval of Congress”, well, you Democrats did give it, and Trump will invoke it just as Obama did.

      “Only Israel and Saudi Arabia will cheer him on.” Oh? The entire Democratic Party, with the single (1) exception of Barbara Lee, has enthusiastically voted the AUMF, which allowed all subsequent US wars of aggression, in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and a number of other ones. With very few exceptions, they voted all the war budgets (your Sanders, too.) The NSACIADIAFBI-dominated Democrats have entirely approved every act of war by Trump, egged him on and vehemently berated him for not starting or intensifying wars. Why, they even impeached him for not paying to start a more serious proxy war with Russia!

      “The republicans will blindly support him” — the Democrats will do so, too, while making a lot of irrelevant but warmongering noises, and both Repucrats and Demolicans “will also be responsible for the consequences”.

      “What goes around…” let’s hope ends up in a major war crimes tribunal, a real one, for both so-called parties.

      • Kay24 on January 3, 2020, 7:45 pm

        Good points Echinococcus, I agree with what you have added.

    • Abierno on January 3, 2020, 4:06 pm

      This is – again – a Trump/Adelson/Kushner/Netanyahu – own goal, severely disrupting all US foreign policy objectives. Their collective failure to consider the broader geopolitical landscape in which Iran is closely allied with Russia, China – as well a quietly but tightly bound by trade with a host of other countries, poses enormous problems. Mainstream media forgets that Iran is now in a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership with China and an applicant for the Shanghai Cooperative Organization, which to refresh the memory of readers consists of China, India Kazackestan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Pakistan, with Afghanistan, Belarus, Iran and Mongolia being observers and dialogue partners including not only Iran, but also Cambodia, Azerbaygan and Sri Lanka. This also comes at a time wherein significant European leaders – Merkel and Macros are openly defying Trump on a number of fronts. Dominic Raab definitively disassociates the UK from this rogue action.

      Unquestionably, Erdogan is experiencing flashbacks regarding previous US attempts to assassinate him, seeking regime change in Turkey. Inquiring minds would anticipate less than enthusiastic response from MbS and MbZ, owing to Trump’s unerring success in fusing Sunni and Shia in shared and collective rage the the US – both Soleimani and his Iraqi colleague were known to be secular in orientation but also deeply religious Muslims. Particularly in the light of MbS’ inability to easily dispatch the Houthis, for whom this is yet another grievance against the US, Israel and the UK who continue to lavishly support the Saudi military with weapons, personnel and expertise. Not unexpectedly, this action is viewed in the Islamic world as a lethal uptick in Trump’s deep and pervasive anti Islamic bias. No US action since the shock and awe of the Iraq invasion has had the potential to cause such widespread unanticipated disruptive consequences to the US on a vast range of issues.

      I would not predict that the measured Iranian response would be – as predicted by the lamestream media – targeted assassinations, murders of US soldiers, escalation to World War III. These are the impulsive, disinhibited actions of a dying hegemon. Rather it will be death by a thousand cuts, – orchestrated not by Iran alone, but by many state actors – disruption of the oil markets. rapid abandonment of the dollar as a reserve currency, repatriating gold reserves stored in the US, Iranian membership in SCO as well as association with the expanded BRICS, open defiance of US sanctions, slow abandonment of the SWIFT network for processing international transactions, trade barriers coupled with exclusion from market agreements. The list of political, economic and financial possibilities is endless – with the US already in a politically and fiscally precarious position, unable to act or react. Again, in the long game, it will be death by a thousand cuts, accelerated by the Don himself should he attain reelection. The Gerasimov doctrine writ large.

      • echinococcus on January 4, 2020, 11:35 am

        How’s it an “own goal”, really?

        What are the top-tier “US foreign policy objectives”, if not that of creating total chaos and breakdown of order and welfare in the wider Middle East, leaving Zionists the leasure of finishing the genocide and ruling the roost. Check. Also, the objective is to have that achieved by using the US as a proxy for the craziest, most unthinkable actions, so as to escape retribution. Check, including canceling J’lem status, Golan annexation recognition, utter destruction of Pak-Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, now Iran.

        No conspiracy, it’s completely in the open: Zionists publish their request, US follows with implementation. And make sure to claim responsibility clear and loud, just to make sure the Zionists are officially off the hook and can devote all their resources to exterminating the Palestinian civilians without worrying their pretty head about fighting.

        And because it’s ostensibly done by the US, there is no penalty: when the Republicans are up, the Democrats fall in line and follow, and when Democrats are in power, they do it and Republicans follow. The English Colonies and the European asswipes fall in line. No matter how scandalously illegal and in fact inconceivable until the 1930es with the arrival of Nazis, never again until the 1990es with the arrival of the Neocons — like plain and simple murder of top generals visiting / belonging to a nation allied to the US… No, let me retract that, the Nazis didn’t go that far. This takes the Obama-initiated self-declared government immunity for plain and simple Murder One to a new, “Israeli” level.

    • JWalters on January 3, 2020, 6:25 pm

      In line with his pattern, this sure looks like Trump is following Netanyahu’s orders again. So the question would become “Why does Israel want to start a war now?” Perhaps to distract attention from the growing legal and moral assaults on Israel’s many crimes?

      • annie on January 4, 2020, 5:22 pm

        israel doesn’t want to start a war, they just want iran crushed back to the stone ages and see this as an opportune time to do it because if trump doesn’t get reelected that opportunity might slip by. they are counting on the escalation as an opportunity to get trump to bomb iran’s nuclear facilities. but they probably are not itching for war per se. it’s like wanting all of palestine without the people. it’s not as tho they particularly want to ethnically cleanse the place, that’s just the fall out from getting their way. they want their way. they want iran totally destroyed and they want the US to do it. tick tock. times running out.

      • gamal on January 6, 2020, 12:56 am

        “they want iran totally destroyed”

        without Iran the world’s more trouble than it’s worth, observe their discipline …and rhythm

        “we should change the way we look at the world

        ….
        ….

        and wearout hatred from our hearts”

        I wonder do Americans even know who Iranians are, let me introduce you to them,

        they do also sing here of Jesus’ revivifying “blow”, anyway observe a brigade of Iranians rocking out in a disciplined and I dare say effective manner,

        https://youtu.be/Vv0qymbJEek

      • annie on January 6, 2020, 5:37 pm

        thanks gamal

  2. echinococcus on January 3, 2020, 8:14 am

    You are right, Trump wouldn’t go along if his re-election were endangered.

    He’s not necessarily seeing the war as improving his image with his own voters, though. There may well be a deal with the alphabet-soup agencies, the Pentagon and/or other Democrat-leaning state apparatus to stop the endless coup d’État and help Trump win, in exchange for war.

    Heck, it may even be already implemented: after all, the single most effective re-election help for Trump thus far has been his impeachment, which consolidates and regroups his own voter base and beyond.

    His votes may increase substantially from another stratum, though, now that he started one major war for the Zionists: many of the Democrat rank and file, primed as they are for war of aggression by four years of deep state-fed screaming hysteria, may well turn around: the idle talk I hear at my coffee-shop (99% liberal Democrats, zip code oblige) invariably faults him mostly for not starting war. Russia, Syria, Korea or Iran, they aren’t particular about the choice of enemy — their kids are safe. Manufactured consent is ready and primed.

  3. Misterioso on January 3, 2020, 9:36 am

    Why?

    To pander to his ignorant, fawning Republican base and curry further favor with Sheldon Adelson, his multi-billionaire, Iran hating, war mongering, Zionist zealot paymaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=6sCW4IasWXc
    Short video, Oct. 25, 2013, discussion between rabid Zionists, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Sheldon Adelson. Adelson declares – “Attack Iran with an atomic bomb”

  4. eljay on January 3, 2020, 9:37 am

    Tonight President Trump ordered a strike on the Baghdad airport that killed a top Iranian general, Qassim Suleimani, along with an Iraqi militia leader. Many experts say that this is an act of war, and Iran is sure to retaliate, as are Iraqi militias. The entire region is said to be on edge from Syria to Lebanon to Israel, fearing a “potential massive regional war,” as Sen. Chris Murphy warns. …

    The U.S. is a “shining beacon” of hypocrisy and (war) criminality, much like its “shared common values” partner, Israel.

    … Trump is as shrewd as they come and I don’t think he acted to endanger his political fortunes, but to enhance them.

    Look at who is pleased by the attack, Israel. …

    Trump did something to please Israel and his Zionist backers and Israel and his Zionist backers are pleased. I fail to see the shrewdness.

  5. Ossinev on January 3, 2020, 9:51 am

    According to Dickhead Donald ,the worlds leading major historian and war statistician, Suleimani was “responsible for millions of deaths”:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-january-3-2020/

    And coming from a “stable genius” this must be right mustn`t it ? Puts him right up there with the likes of Hitler,Stalin and Pol Pot.

    I think the bone spurs have finally reached what there was of his brain.

  6. scott9854958 on January 3, 2020, 11:03 am

    “Worst strategic mistake since Iraq” yeah I think not. I can think of a bunch of things that are worse, including the Libya intervention, the nation-building of Afghanistan under Obama, droning wedding parties, etc. etc. Defending your embassy is not really a mistake, though Dems would say it is and their record shows they’re not exactly interested in defending embassies. Also, the strike took place not on Iranian soil but Iraqi. Big distinction.

    Now if Trump sends thousands of troops into Iran, that would be the “biggest mistake.” But right now it’s far from that.

    • Mooser on January 3, 2020, 4:31 pm

      “Defending your embassy…”

      Jeez, I don’t know, what happens when those militias get artillery and even medium weapons…

  7. CHUCKMAN on January 3, 2020, 11:14 am

    Israel has pretty well been given control of portions of the US military in addition to major parts of Palestine.

    This is classic Israeli extrajudicial killing, an Israeli practice for over seventy years, but now America takes responsibility on its behalf.

    Just like the Neocon Wars, all for Israel’s benefit and all done so that Israel does not have to take direct blame for the immense violence it generates in the region.

    • CHUCKMAN on January 3, 2020, 7:21 pm

      Hard to know what Trump’s thinking here is. War before an election does not seem a good idea, especially if you are a candidate who has failed so far to achieve anything of substance around past promises to reduce America’s involvement in Mideast wars.

      Remember that a crucial slice of the votes that put the man into office was not from his prime political base, the “pick-up truck and Jesus” set, but from those concerned with peace and better relations with Russia.

      But prodding Iran to attack could allow Trump to play commander-in-chief defending the country. And Americans just instinctively support even the worst possible presidents at war. You might call it the George Bush Effect. The frightened puppy grabbing the nearest pantleg after a loud noise.

      Of course, now when it comes to campaign contributions from American Oligarchs whose chief political concern is what Israel wants, Trump’s coffers will be overflowing.

      I suspect Iran will take its time and carefully plan a response, and that response may not be clear and unambiguous, and it might be multi-faceted and done over time.

      The men running Iran are careful men, none of them impetuous. Chess players. The United States has more than forty years of bellowing, open hostility towards the country, and we have not seen Iran’s leaders act foolishly in all that time despite many provocations.

      I do not believe Iran will be driven to war – that would be playing the Israeli-American game with Israeli-American rules.

      Clandestine and hybrid efforts, that is what Iran is best at. They have serious capabilities these days, and the United States, with all its bases abroad, has great vulnerabilities.

      Of course, there’s also the option of Iran’s just leaving the nuclear agreement (the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA) that Trump idiotically tore-up and proceeding quietly with weapons development. Iran, despite Israel’s dishonest claims, never has pursued weapons development, only efficient use of nuclear power and legitimate scientific research. Perhaps it is time to reconsider that policy

      Iran has substantial deposits of uranium, and the enriched-uranium bomb is simpler to build than the plutonium bomb. Maybe there is some possibility for covert assistance from North Korea, another country treated like crap by Trump’s Washington Braintrust?

  8. James Canning on January 3, 2020, 11:24 am

    I think the assassination of General Suleimani is as reckless as it is ill-advised. The continuing stupidity of Trump in trying to wreck the Iran nuclear deal is deeply disturbing.

  9. Elizabeth Block on January 3, 2020, 11:25 am

    I’ve read that Americans are not as gung-ho about war – any war – as they used to be. But that may not apply to long-distance wars, with no American casualties. Phil Ochs, “Draft Dodger’s Rag”:

    So I wish you well, Sarge, give ’em hell,
    Kill me a thousand or so,
    And when they invent a war without blood and gore
    I’ll be the first to go!

  10. Misterioso on January 3, 2020, 11:52 am

    Israel lobbyist Mark Dubowitz:
    “He is irreplaceable and indispensable” to Iran’s military establishment.

    Utter nonsense!! Common sense and a basic knowledge of warfare tells us that General Qassim Suleimani’s successor was chosen years ago and has since been fully educated by Suleimani, et al. No doubt he has already assumed command. Never underestimate the Iranians!!

  11. Misterioso on January 3, 2020, 12:06 pm

    Bingo!!

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/01/country-military-middle.html

    “No Fair! Iran put its Country Right next to Bases used by US Military in Middle East”
    Informed Comment, Juan Cole, Jan. 3, 2020.

    A map is included.

  12. Eva Smagacz on January 3, 2020, 1:00 pm

    https://www.sott.net/article/423993-Netanyahu-doesnt-disappoint-Another-election-another-war-on-Gaza

    Danger and uncertainty always translate into an advantage of the incumbent.

    There will be greater probability of repercussions from Syria to Turkey, to Libya and Lebanon, not to mention Gaza.

    What is simpler than manufacturing a crisis and helping his buddy Netanyahu in his third election, only short eight weeks away?

  13. richb on January 3, 2020, 2:09 pm

    Don’t forget white evangelicals. I posted this eight years go of how evangelicals cheered on assassinating Iranian scientists.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/christian-friends-of-israel-supports-criminal-actions-that-place-americans-at-risk/amp/

  14. annie on January 3, 2020, 2:20 pm

    1/1/2018: Report: U.S. Gives Israel Green Light to Assassinate Iranian General Soleimani https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-gives-israel-green-light-to-assassinate-iran-s-general-soleimani-1.5630156

    i’m not able to copy paste and the link takes a long time to bring up the end of the article.

    ‘the agreement comes three years after Washington thwarted an Israeli attempt to kill the general… US warned Iranian leadership “sparked sharp disagreement between Israel and American security and intel apparatus”‘

    if true, it was on Israel’s wish list.

    • Citizen on January 4, 2020, 9:21 pm

      Israel has tried a number of times to kill the Iranian general at issue, last time a few months ago; Israeli press is saying Israel is gearing up to bomb Iranian urban centers.

      • Jackdaw on January 5, 2020, 3:02 pm

        @Citizen

        Source please.

        One source….please.

  15. brent on January 3, 2020, 9:22 pm

    One has to ask why Israel and its support system has been pushing war on Iran for so long? I reason the answer is very simple and is directly related to the Jerusalem Question. Israel decided against a secular state, with equality under the law, and against the 2SS. This necessitates establishing an empire to dominate and subdue the Islamic world into the future. Iran, having agreed to respect Israel on the condition they work out an agreement with the Palestinians, is unwilling to be bullied. Consequently, Israel has been making and pushing the war on Iran and has found that sellable to the MIC and Neocons.

    Purist who insist there is only one way to look at matters, refuse to contemplate either one state or two and insist on the defeat of the other are problematic to our future.

  16. subconscious on January 4, 2020, 10:49 am

    Brian Hook, U.S. Special Representative for Iran & Pompeo’s senior advisor, is being hosted by 2 synagogues in the Los Angeles area early next week, discussing Iran policy. Since the talks are billed as open to the public, could be a chance to challenge Trump admin’s war-mongering or even hold protests.
    1) Mon. 1/6/20 @ Eretz Synagogue (an Iranian synagogue), free RSVP:
    https://www.iraniticket.com/eretzcc/tickets/address-by-the-u-s-special-rep-for-iran-mr-brian-hook-188207
    2) Tue. 1/7/20 @ Sinai Temple (half-Iranian synagogue), $10 entry RSVP:
    https://www.sinaitemple.org/event/pressuring-the-iranian-regime-standing-with-the-iranian-people

  17. lonely rico on January 4, 2020, 12:14 pm

    … Trump is as shrewd as they come

    SHREWD: “Showing astute powers of judgement; clever and judicious” (Oxford English Dictionary)

    Shrewd, Dimwit Donald ain’t;
    venal, he most certainly is.

    Bought and paid for by the appalling Sheldon Adelson.
    Willing to risk the lives of Americans and countless Iranians,
    for the privilege to kiss Adelson’s sorry ass,
    again and again

    It’s All About the Benjamins Baby

  18. Vera Gottlieb on January 4, 2020, 2:35 pm

    How big a role is israel playing in all this???

    • Jackdaw on January 5, 2020, 2:51 pm

      @Vera

      “How big a role is israel playing in all this???”

      As big a lie as the anti-Semites can fabricate, and as much as you can swallow.

      • annie on January 6, 2020, 2:56 pm

        israel aside, it’s highly unlikely trump’s mega donors have any impact on his actions and decisions. ha ha ha

      • eljay on January 6, 2020, 3:22 pm

        || Jackdaw: @Vera

        “How big a role is israel playing in all this???”

        As big a lie as the anti-Semites can fabricate, and as much as you can swallow. ||

        It never fails: Someone says Zionist or Israel and a Zionist instantly performs an anti-Semitic conflation with all Jews.

        Zionists desperately and anti-Semitically want to set up all Jews to take the fall for the past and on-going (war) crime of Zionists and Israel.

      • Talkback on January 6, 2020, 5:08 pm

        Jackdaw: “As big a lie as the anti-Semites can fabricate, and as much as you can swallow.”

        Which is as big as a lie the Jewish supremacists can fabricate. Cause it’s only racist, if one accuses a “Jewish” state, right?

  19. Jackdaw on January 5, 2020, 8:35 am

    So the upshot, according to Phil, is that the Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

    Classic anti-Semitism, and fodder for the anti-Semitic Mondoweiss trough.

    Here…pig pig pig!

    • eljay on January 5, 2020, 10:56 am

      || Jackdaw: So the upshot, according to Phil, is that the Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

      Classic anti-Semitism, and fodder for the anti-Semitic Mondoweiss trough.

      Here…pig pig pig! ||

      The upshot is that Israel and Zionists prodded Trump.

      But you can always count on a Zionist to deliberately conflate Israel and Zionists with all Jews, the anti-Semitic impulse is Pavlovian.

      Here…Jackdaw, Jackdaw, Jackdaw!

      • Jackdaw on January 6, 2020, 4:17 pm

        @eljay

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2020, 11:10 pm

        “… the anti-Semitic impulse is Pavlovian”

        Beware, you are inviting censure. The Z-correct thinking has it that it is innate.

      • eljay on January 7, 2020, 8:05 am

        || Jackdaw on January 6, 2020, 4:17 pm ||

        Your cute little video doesn’t change the fact that you’re an anti-Semite, Jackdaw.

    • Talkback on January 5, 2020, 11:36 am

      Now this is another example of Jewish racist excusivism and its deeply rooted racism against anyone who isn’t Jewish: It’s totally acceptable to claim that anyone prodded Trump to assasinate Soleimani unless someone is accusing the goverment of a “Jewish state”. In that case it is absolutely irrelevant if this accusation is true or not, because Jewish racists tell us that this accusation is racist anyway, even if it were true. Not, because Jews were accused of doing so, because they are Jews, but allthough they are Jews. How dare anyone accuse any Jew of any wrong doing, right!

      As if the “Jewish” state has ever commited the crime of targeted assasinations against Nonjews or killed any Iranian, right?

    • spadepiccolo on January 5, 2020, 11:40 am

      I’m curious — has a Zionist ever not had his comment published on Mondoweiss? Can’t recall a single instance of one ever complaining that they had. Whereas for Mondoweiss’s heavy hitters — and we all know who they are — there is no more common complaint. What’s the message there, I wonder. More guilt from Phil?

      • annie on January 6, 2020, 3:36 pm

        what’s the message from zionist posters not complaining about being censored? good question.

      • wondering jew on January 6, 2020, 4:40 pm

        How many eyeballs glancing at mondoweiss’s pages these days. Less than 3 years ago? I’ll betcha. Despite the fact that the site supports itself through soliciting donations, maybe it still aspires to attract eyeballs. You think a comments section dominated by the repetitive rants that agree with you attracts eyeballs? Think again. Eyeballs get turned off by monotony and repetition. Weiss wants debate (to attract eyeballs), exactly what you folks don’t want.

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2020, 11:08 pm

        spadepiccolo,

        Yes, there were complaints. From two of them, as far as I recall. One from “Mayhem” (or one like him), credible. The other one from Mister Fredman, aka Wondering [blank], as creditworthy as the rest of his oeuvre.

      • Mooser on January 7, 2020, 12:12 pm

        “How many eyeballs glancing at mondoweiss’s pages…”

        Well, Google stats will say, but if Moshe Dyan never reads Mondo, the number will probably be even.

    • MHughes976 on January 5, 2020, 11:56 am

      I really don’t think that comments reaching this level of personal abuse should be published.

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2020, 11:22 pm

        If coming from Zionists, such comments are perfectly normal and expected. Before they started their own, isolated hothouses, i.e. 2 generations ago, they used to have acceptable-sounding smooth operators capable of articulate expression. No longer so.

      • Mooser on January 8, 2020, 1:19 pm

        “I really don’t think that comments reaching this level of personal abuse should be published.”

        You are right. I apologize for that crack about Moshe Dyan.

    • echinococcus on January 5, 2020, 1:36 pm

      Jack*$$,

      “is that the Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.”

      1. No need for prodding, Zionists fully own Trump, his administration, and the past presidents and the past administrations; even newborn blind puppies know this (Trump is also personally involved, though, having Zionist royalty in the immediate family.)

      2. The Zionist entity terrorist authorities have been publicly calling for the murder of Soleimani for several years now, it’s all in the open.

      3. By calling them “Jews” you are consciously trying to provoke what you call “anti-Semitism”, and you are personally responsible for any physical results of it.

      • oldgeezer on January 9, 2020, 12:35 am

        @echi

        I’m not sure zionists own trump as much as trump finds zionists to be to his personal benefit. He’d align or trash anyone or any group depending on is personal benefit. He can please them at no expense to himself.

        But yes, right now, his personal interests are best served by zionists.

      • echinococcus on January 10, 2020, 12:35 am

        Old Geezer,

        I’d like to believe what you write, but when I review the little I know as facts and try the explanation that fits most of them, it’s the family connection that comes up trumps. Can’t do anything about it. Modest personal opinion of someone who is not in the secrets of the gods.

        I must also say I am assuming that the guy is not stupid at all, as proved by his long history of massive embezzlement, mass embezzlement and various shenanigans that were profitable to him, so a rational approach would have been expected, with a lot of madness to his method.

        The discrepancy, though, is always where Zionist orders trump every other consideration.

    • RoHa on January 5, 2020, 8:49 pm

      Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that it is true that Zionist Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

      Does it still count as “classic anti-Semitism” to say so?

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2020, 2:57 pm

        I just tried to explore that, presenting a somewhat believably supported hypothesis saying that not only the Z ordered it, they also probably did it and left Trump holding the bag. It must have been very very antisemitic, as the message disappeared within minutes; the one on Trump’s taking orders still on a waiting list.

        So yes, it seems that the topic may be somewhat sensitive. Even more sensitive is the mention that the Zionists present themselves as representing all Jews — there’s a lifelong waiting list for that.

      • Talkback on January 6, 2020, 5:22 pm

        RoHa: “Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that it is true that Zionist Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

        Does it still count as “classic anti-Semitism” to say so?”

        According to dishonest racist cry babies you only make such an accusation against Nonjews. Otherwise its racism.

      • RoHa on January 6, 2020, 9:33 pm

        Mist, I keep asking the people who scream “anti-Semite” these two questions.

        1. Can a statement be anti-Semitic if it is true?

        2. If the answer to 1 is “Yes”, are we required to condemn and/or suppress such a statement?

        No answer so far.

      • Talkback on January 7, 2020, 9:14 am

        RoHa: “1. Can a statement be anti-Semitic if it is true?”

        No it can’t. Racist statements are negative statements about a people as such. Which can obviously only be false.

        So the first question is, if a statement is racist. And if it isn’t the second question arises if it is true or false.

        Antisemites equate “Israel” with “the Jews”. Jewish racists and their sycophants who cry antisemitism when Israel is accused or criticized just do the very same.

        RoHa: “No answer so far.”

        Do you expect them to be honest and without being bigots?

      • echinococcus on January 7, 2020, 9:59 am

        Talkback,

        “According to dishonest racist cry babies you only make such an accusation [antisemitism] against Nonjews. Otherwise its racism.”

        But the Zionists themselves accuse Jews (religiously, biologically or tribally Jewish Jews) of antisemitism, from the fully Israelian Atzmon and Ofir to Heiko Meier, Finkelstein, Phil Weiss, Richard Falk, all the way even to Zionists like Sanders… Not only the Zionists, but High Church impures of England and screaming Southern Baptist infidels of America also bandy the antisemitism accusation against 100% biologically Jewish people with the casual abandon of a Wandering Jew.

      • Talkback on January 7, 2020, 2:23 pm

        @echi

        When I wrote “According to dishonest racist cry babies you only make such an accusation against Nonjews. Otherwise its racism.” I wasn’t refering to antisemitism, but to RoHa’s “Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that it is true that

        Zionist Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

      • RoHa on January 7, 2020, 11:41 pm

        But I was asking for a reply from the experts, Jackdaw and WJ.

        “Do you expect them to be honest and without being bigots?”

        Not really. But some people like to watch the world burn, and some of us just want to poke it with a pointy stick.

      • Mooser on January 8, 2020, 1:21 pm

        ” But some people like to watch the world burn, and some of us just want to poke it with a pointy stick.” “RoHa”

        You must have one hell of an appetite for conflagration, if you can’t get your fill locally!

      • RoHa on January 8, 2020, 9:34 pm

        I’m on the pointy stick side, and I would certainly like to poke it into the councils and state governments who have failed us. We have had hotter weather and more disastrous bushfires than these, but the local authorities have set aside the lessons learned from them.

      • RoHa on January 8, 2020, 11:18 pm

        And plenty of hard pokes for the people who accidentally start bushfires, especially if they do so by ignoring fire bans.

        Prison rather than pokes for the arsonists.

        According to the ABC, working fromAustralian Institute of Criminology figures, the majority of bushfires seem to be started by people.

        They say about 13 % are started by arsonists, and 35% are started unintentionally. (Including the case in which the Australian Army started fires by a live-firing exercise.)

        This doesn’t add up to a majority, but the ABC classes another 37% as “suspicious”. I have to say that I think this weakens the case for claiming the majority.

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-11-20/bushfire-ignition-source-how-we-know/11701132#lightbox-content-lightbox-18

        On the other hand, these AIC figures show a clear majority (64%) for NSW between 2001 and 2004.

        https://aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab021

      • Keith on January 8, 2020, 11:45 pm

        ROHA- “We have had hotter weather and more disastrous bushfires than these….”

        Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you? Your self image as a contrarian uber alles?

      • RoHa on January 9, 2020, 12:14 am

        But I am still waiting for an expert answer to my two questions.

      • oldgeezer on January 9, 2020, 12:15 am

        @RoHa

        “We have had hotter weather and more disastrous bushfires than these”

        Ok.

        When?

      • RoHa on January 9, 2020, 11:45 pm

        OK. We can measure the destructiveness of bushfires in several ways.
        Most area burned – 1974-75 – 4 States & NT – 95 (103?) million ha
        Most people killed – 2009 – Victoria – 173 died
        Most homes destroyed – 1983 – Victoria – 2400 homes + 75 died

        Recent Bushfires – 2019-20 – all States – 10.7 million hectares burned – 28 died – 1,800+ homes destroyed.
        (So far. It’s not over yet.)

        Some previous major bushfires.

        1851 – Victoria – 5 million ha burned – 1 million sheep died
        1939 – Victoria – 2 million ha burned – 71 died – 1,100 homes destroyed
        1944 – Queensland – 1 million ha burned – more than 500 houses destroyed
        1946 – Queensland – An almost unbroken chain of fires between Brisbane and Townsville
        1951 – Victoria – 4 million ha burned – 11 died.
        1961 – Western Australia – 1.8 million ha burned – 160 homes destroyed.
        1962 – Victoria – 32 died – 450 houses destroyed
        1967 Tasmania 264,270ha 62 people dead, 900 injured , 1293 homes destroyed,
        1974-75 – NSW – 4.5 million ha burned – 6 died
        1974-75 – Northern Territory – 45 Million ha burned
        1974-75 – Queensland – 7.5 million ha burned
        1974-75 – South Australia – 17 million ha burned
        1974-75 – Western Australia – 29 million ha burned
        1983 – Victoria – 0.4 million ha burned – 75 died – 2,400 houses destroyed
        1984-85 – NSW – 3.5 million ha burned
        2002 – Northern Territory – 15 million ha burned
        2003 – ACT – 0.16 million ha burned – 4 died – almost 500 homes destroyed
        2003 – Victoria – 1.3 million ha burned – 3 died – 41 homes
        2009 – Victoria – 0.45 million ha burned – 173 died – > 2,029 homes destroyed

        (Adapted from a list by Ian Wilson.)

        Of course, there have been plenty of others. See, for example:
        https://cfs.sa.gov.au/site/about_cfs/history_of_the_cfs/bushfire_history.jsp

      • RoHa on January 10, 2020, 2:01 am

        It’s a bit harder to show that there has been hotter weather than we had this year.

        I accept the satellite data over ground-based data.

        If we take UAH data from NASA satellites, it seem to work out that the hottest year in Australia since 1979 was 2017, followed by 1998, 2016, and then 2019.
        (Check it yourself. You can find the UAH data here: https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt)

        The BOM calculate, from their ground-based and adjusted data, that this was the hottest year. However, there is a good deal of contention about the quality of recent BOM raw data and the general treatment of the data. (Apparently the adjustment process is a secret! So when we see that the adjustment process from the ACORN1 data set to the ACORN2 set reduced the number of days above 100F in 1951 from 21.3226 to 16.1935, we wonder whether the BOM is getting it right. )

        The BOM refuses to accept data from before 1910. This is understandable, because the methods of recording were not standard. Use of Stevenson screens started in the late 1880s (1884 for Adelaide) but Victoria was slow off the mark, not being standardised until 1908.

        (But the BOM has started using much smaller screens, so the new and the old screens are not standardised!)

        Nonetheless, there are plenty of temperature records that suggest January 1896 was “hottest evah!” We can not confirm this, but to deny it is to go beyond the evidence.

      • RoHa on January 10, 2020, 2:01 am

        And I would still like an answer to my two questions.

      • Mooser on January 10, 2020, 1:08 pm

        “We have had hotter weather and more disastrous bushfires than these….” “RoHa”

        Oh well, I guess this year’s fires are like this year’s kisses.

      • Keith on January 10, 2020, 3:38 pm

        ROHA- “I accept the satellite data over ground-based data.”

        Ground based data is a direct measurement whereas satellite data requires interpretation to INFER the temperature on the ground. The matrix of data you linked to is incomprehensible to me. Are you a climate scientist who routinely works with satellite data and is qualified to assess the significance of it? Lord Monkton’s research assistant perhaps? Global warming deniers frequently abuse and misuse satellite data to try to cast doubt on the numbers put out by the IPCC and the NOAA.

        ROHA- “And I would still like an answer to my two questions.”

        It would help if you repeated your questions so I could write them down. Pity we can no longer search the archives so I could quote you from when you (along with MRW) flat out denied that global warming was occurring at all. You now claim that it is happening but is not anthropogenic. Of course, it will be impossible to answer your questions to your satisfaction. You are like a creationist in that regard, some of whom have PhDs.

        Prediction: just as the average temperature for last 5 years (2015-2019) was significantly above the average temperature for the previous 5 years (2000-2014), I confidently predict that the average temperature for the next 5 years (2020-2024) will be significantly higher than the last 5 years. Furthermore, we are beginning to experience positive feedback loops brought on by anthropogenic warming such as Arctic methane releases.

      • Mooser on January 10, 2020, 6:00 pm

        And I would like an answer to my question: Have aliens kidnapped “RoHa” and and replaced him with “RuMu”?

        “Prison rather than pokes for the arsonists.” “RuMu”

        There’s something so daringly contrarian about authoritarianism, isn’t there?

      • Keith on January 10, 2020, 7:33 pm

        MOOSER- “And I would like an answer to my question: Have aliens kidnapped “RoHa” and and replaced him with “RuMu”?

        It is easy to believe what is convenient to believe and self-deception is the rule not the exception. The internet is a wonderful device which enables people with widely varying beliefs to find multiple websites catering to their biases. And if their biases tend in the direction of right-of-center contrarianism, the websites will be well funded and professionally done. But enough of this. Below is an interesting quote which actually pertains to the article in question.

        “He was the leader of the fight against ISIS, especially in Syria. US policy was to continue using ISIS to permanently destabilize Syria and Iraq so as to prevent a Shi’ite crescent reaching from Iran to Lebanon – which incidentally would serve as part of China’s Belt and Road initiative. So it killed Suleimani to prevent the peace negotiation. He was killed because he had been invited by Iraq’s government to help mediate a rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia. That was what the United States feared most of all, because it effectively would prevent its control of the region and Trump’s drive to seize Iraqi and Syrian oil.” (Michael Hudson) https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/10/what-the-us-wants-in-the-near-east-an-interview-with-the-saker/

      • RoHa on January 12, 2020, 8:32 pm

        Keith, I was going to explain in more detail why I am doubtful about the BOM data, but I see now it’s pointless. I gave you a link to a presentation by Spencer. You ignored the content and ranted about the venue. I use scientific method, and you call it “right-wing contrarianism”. I won’t waste any more of my time on you.

      • RoHa on January 12, 2020, 8:33 pm

        Mooser, stop being stupid.

        Of course the ideologues are saying “Nothing to do with us.” They want to use this disaster to peddle their AGW ideology, and certainly don’t want to be held to account for it. Maybe NYT readers will believe them, but it will be a bit harder to fool Australians with a functioning memory and access to news archives.

        I won’t bore you with a litany of the other ways their ideology has damaged the people and the environment of the country, but I will point out that on reason we have a deplorable, right-wing, LNP government rather than a deplorable, slightly less right-wing, ALP government is that the ALP went into the election proposing crackpot policies based on that ideology.

        I doubt that the ideologues will change for a while. They are True Believers and refuse to allow mere reality to affect their dogma. They usually refuse even to look at it, and simply denounce the messenger. As Keith said, “When reality conflicts with ideology it creates anger and confusion usually resulting in a strengthened belief in the ideology..”

        So I expect that we will be stuck with the ideologues for a while longer.

        ( You hijacked this thread from the topic of anti-Semitism, so here’s a little more about bushfires in general, if you are interested.

        https://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/get-involved/n2n/schools/excursions/Karla-Wongi-Fire-Talk.pdf

    • MaxNarr on January 6, 2020, 5:06 am

      Spot on Jackdaw

    • annie on January 6, 2020, 3:15 pm

      the upshot… is that the Jews prodded Trump to assassinate Soleimani.

      if this was the “upshot” it could be said about any reference to any person who happens to be jewish. by this standard you couldn’t accuse netanyahu, or any politician who was jewish, of anything. because it would all be reduced to ‘a jew did it’.

      if netanyahu, or FDD who continually has lobbied for the US to attack iran (and don’t forget jeffrey goldberg’s bombshell atlantic article about how the US had to do the dirty deed for israel, or back it up) pressured US presidents, did they do it because they are jewish, or did they do it in their national interest. if you claim they are doing it because they are jewish, or as a jew, then it’s anti semitic. if you think netanyahu is a criminal maniac because he is jewish (even tho i think that argument could be made against his father, in respect to his relationship with judaism motivating his fanaticism) then yes. but otherwise, no. is netanyahu obsessed with iran because he’s jewish? what about bolton, who isn’t jewish. or cheney who isn’t jewish? can’t it just be said war mongers do what war mongers do. or do you think some are war mongers because they are jewish?

      so no, the upshot is not that it’s anti semitic because phil said a jew prodded trump to assassinate Soleimani, because he didn’t say that.

      • MHughes976 on January 6, 2020, 3:57 pm

        ‘The Israeli Government and its vocal supporters’ very much don’t amount to ‘the Jews’. Mind you, if Phil is arguing that the critical reason why Trump is taking the electoral risks of a war in election year and arguing that Trump must think these risks worth taking because of the extra support that Israel will now give him I’m not fully convinced. It may be that he expects gains in support in any event. It may be that he expects Israeli support in any event. It may even be that Israel will be reluctant to give too much open and specific support to behaviour which many American Jewish people oppose. Quite a few open questions.

      • Mooser on January 6, 2020, 4:11 pm

        “Quite a few open questions.”

        All of which assume that Trump makes ‘decisions’ by gathering information and considering the possible consequences of each course of action. He doesn’t.

      • annie on January 6, 2020, 5:52 pm

        mcHughes, my personal opinion is trump’s thinking about his own reelection as well as the whole gop ticket. making israel happy makes pro israel donors happy. i think trump follows the money. you can’t dismiss funding (as phil discusses here): https://mondoweiss.net/2020/01/israel-played-a-role-in-us-decision-to-assassinate-iranian-general/

        making israel happy is practical for a politician to keep his or her job. and i think that’s what’s going on here.

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2020, 10:23 pm

        Hughes,

        One hypothesis that fits all the known facts so far, at least in my limited view, is that re-election is not a priority for Trump, while faithfully and immediately obeying to Zionist leadership orders is his first objective.

        In fact, he is father and father-in-law of high Zionist royalty. Said royalty, his own flesh and blood (the f. and b., mind you, who attracted his public comments condemned as “borderline” incestuous, no less), and the court thereof, are his most intimate advisors and deputies.

        So far, this is more than public knowledge. As also is his alacrity in obeying and giving the Zios whatever they ask him pronto, on a silver platter, no matter how outrageous the request. Without any of the usual statesman’s shilly-shallying.

        “I ask the head of Jokanaan in a silver charger. You hath sworn, Herod. Forget not that you have sworn an oath.”

        The more I look at it, the more probable it seems. If he wants re-election, it would be in order to be a better guardian of Zion than his rivals.

  20. Mooser on January 5, 2020, 12:09 pm

    “This is stunning – #Iraq prime minister tells parliament US troops should leave. Says @realDonaldTrump called him to ask him to mediate with #Iran and then ordered drone strike on Soleimani. Says Soleimani carrying response to Saudi initiative to defuse tension when he was hit.” Jane Arraf on Twitter

  21. Ossinev on January 5, 2020, 1:11 pm

    @Jackdaw
    “Classic anti-Semitism, and fodder for the anti-Semitic Mondoweiss trough.

    Here…pig pig pig!”

    Have you stopped taking your pills?

  22. echinococcus on January 5, 2020, 3:43 pm

    “Trump risks a major war in an election year– why?”

    Back to that question, I am having second thoughts about Trump personally, as distinct from the US state, which is by nature war-criminal.

    Is getting re-elected Trump’s main priority, really?
    After all, he is the father and father-in-law of top-shelf Zionist royalty. and we’re talking of his preferred daughter, the one he was faulted for praising in incestuous terms. Said Zionist royalty are also his intimate and exclusive counselors, no matter their intellectual incapacity.

    One may be excused for making the next inferential step and concluding that his re-election may be seen as an instrument for doing “the work of God” (= implementing all the craziest terrorist Mafia requests of the Zionists without the shilly-shallying usual to governments that care about keeping a façade.) Whatever Zion wants, annexation, cancelling J’lem status, war with this, war with that, it all gets delivered — “you got it. I’ll be right back with your order”.

    At this point, the loss of all those who voted for him because he sounded definitely less of a warmonger firebrand than Harpy Clinton is guaranteed. Many war-crazy Democrats, primed by four years of incessant hysteria, may well vote for him but no guarantee there — because of their having pledged their trust to their Donkey. His core voters are not necessarily war-approving, that varies according to their ability to smell a war of choice. So, all in all, Trump took a huge gamble on his re-election, just as election victory had been handed to him on a platter by the Democrat impeachment.

    So, if he risks it, it should mean that he doesn’t really care as long as the will of Zionists be done.

    • Kathleen on January 8, 2020, 9:33 pm

      I describe the desperation I have seen in Dayton. Formerly when I was growing up the majority of working class/blue collar folks (one half my large Catholic family) had jobs at the GM plants, Delphi, Frigidaire, Goodyear, NCR, WPAFB (where many others of large Catholic family) worked and some still work there. There were fair paying jobs whether you had a college education or not. People could support a four or five kid family on a GM family member’s income (generally men but by no means only men) They were making 15.00 to 25.00 an hour in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, then those jobs started to be shipped down south (no unions) then to Mexico and China. As my WWII Teamster step father used to endlessly say starting in the 70’s until just weeks before he passed six years ago (he was so ready) “BOTH PARTIES SOLD THE AMERICAN WORKERS DOWN THE PIKE.”

      I moved away at 18 and would read about the loss of good paying union jobs but when you walk the street of Dayton especially the poor inner city neighborhoods it is gruesome. Well accept for the gentrified neighborhoods that some families who have lived in those neighborhoods by are squeezed out because of taxes going up or sell just because they think they cannot afford to stay with the changes or those who are renting to them also see the opportunity to make a bigger buck.

      So for 40 years working class/blue collar folks have been losing fair paying jobs. Jobs that will support a family, provide often great health care coverage, a middle income home that you can afford to do repairs on, 2 running cars, car insurance etc. People could keep their heads above the water. Not now at all.

      Ok the unemployment rate is better than it has been in what is it five decades however the pay people are receiving is essentially slave labor income. How can a family for five live on 450.oo a week before taxes. Add on another part time job making an extra 225.oo. 675.oo take 150 for taxes out back to clearing 525.oo for busting your ass no time with your family and barely scraping by. It’s bad out there folks, really really bad.

      Have talked with Vets off of Xenia/Wayne avenue area living in shambles. They will crack their doors even with signs on their doors that say “if my dog does not kill you…..” You get the message. My youngest daughter (32) has walked some of these neighborhood with me and has said “mom this looks like the TV show BREAKING BAD” Anyway have talked with some of these Vets who seem strung out, beat down and truly depressed. They like that I am interested in what they have to say. They often open up when I politely and respectfully ask them what they think about the state of things. They are down big time on these unnecessary wars, they have been there, watched their friends have legs and arms blown up, come home and get into drugs big time. Know a few who have committed suicide. They know these wars are big waste of life, time and money.

      Even in a recent event in Texas gosh darn Texas Trump said something about these wars “being a huge mistake, waste of both life and money” The Republican crowd clapped enthusiastically. Now it is hard to tell whether they are just going along with whatever Trump was saying or possibly really feel that way. Hard to tell. Although have had some experiences in Trimble, Glouster, Chauncey Ohio (old coal mining towns that have quite a few Dems in them who are older). Along with there off spring who are often Republicans and working at the local Wal Mart because mining jobs long gone. Many of these white working class folk are really down on these wars because either they or their kids have served and had their lives in many ways destroyed.

      Again really really bad out there if you get out of middle to upper middle class neighborhoods. Many people will say those are the people who either do not vote or vote against their own self interest. Snobbish media elites say on MSNBC’s Joy Reid’s or Joe Scarborough’s will say well Dems can win without these voters. The white working class voters who often used to be Dems. I actually have heard many of these type say they really respect Sanders, his voting history and how he addresses the working class. I actually think Sanders can win some if not more than some of these voters over. They are sick of both parties elite the ones who refer to them as high school graduates. Don’t like saying this but the Dems seem to do this more than Republicans.

      When media outlets start really telling the truth about the billions of dollars spent fomenting civil wars in Syria, shipping guns to unknown rebels, Obama’s war in Libya, drone wars and cost, Bush Cheney’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. When candidates start to hammer away and repeat these massive cost listening to people about the persistent crumbling of our infrastructure. I really question whether Trump is going to be able to pull it off again especially going down this bomb touting, inflammatory strategy with Iran

      6 trillion dollars spent on middle east wars since 2001 this without talking about the lives destroyed by these horrific and unnecessary wars could fix a lot of streets, buildings, bridges, pay a lot of teachers better wages, open up more cutting edge health centers in under served area’s (Premier Health Partners in Dayton just closed down a 93 year old hospital in a predominately black neighborhood called Good Samaritany) help a great deal more people out of darkness of opiod use, send more young people to community colleges, 4 year institutions, trade schools etc. Yes 6 trillion on deadly unnecessary wars for the oil, neo, theo, corporate cons could have gone a long way for those seriously struggling in the U.S.

    • Kathleen on January 8, 2020, 9:38 pm

      “His core voters are not necessarily war-approving, that varies according to their ability to smell a war of choice.” I think Trump voters get this more than most people think.

      Dems are going to have to pound on how yes unemployment down but wages still suck. Just go around and show those who do not know what is really going on the hard evidence.

      • echinococcus on January 8, 2020, 11:59 pm

        How the collaboration with the imperialist ruling class as proposed by Sanders helps the Palestinian fight against Zionism is unclear to me. This collaboration is essentially the same old bargain of more crumbs to the middle class (not necessarily the working class) from war profits, in exchange for “national” support of the policy of international aggression and intervention.

        That has been Sanders’ policy since he started, a long time ago. He remains a champion of US aggression, with some concessions to part of his voters in the last few months.

  23. jimmywalter on January 5, 2020, 11:46 pm

    Trump is risking nothing of his. He and NetanYahoo are betting American Lives on “The War Card” to get reelected and stay out of jail. Trump cannot stand the thought of losing. The economy is no where near as good as the fake news employment and statistic altered economic expansion claims. It is the FED’s fault, but he claimed the good news was his and most people erroneously think the President controls the economy. So Trump, for himself and at NetanYahoo’s bidding, has started a war.
    http://www.theprogressiveprofessor.com/?p=19187

    • Mooser on January 7, 2020, 3:13 pm

      Iran may be a great place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to fight there.

  24. Kathleen on January 8, 2020, 2:24 pm

    Increase in war tensions continue to be fueled while former manufacturing cities like Dayton Ohio (where I take care of 91 year old mother full time and back to knocking on doors for Dems instead of helping run GOTV campaigns) continue to crumble and struggle. I see and talk with lots of people seriously struggling. Many like Mickey D who is the assistant manager of Dollar Tree on Troy St who makes 11.oo an hour and works at night at Wal Mart to make ends meet for his wife and three kids. Or a security guard at the Dayton Public library making $11.50 an hour struggling weekly to make ends meet. Or a fella I met cleaning streets down in the hip, gentrified Oregon District (where the shooting took place this past summer) who makes $11.oo an hour and lives in a poor dorm setting in downtown Dayton. Or how about a 40 year old gentleman I met at a Trump rally in Dayton summer of 2016. I went with my “I support Sanders and want to talk with Trump voters” Spent five hours talking with former GM and Delphi workers who Trump had hooked on “going to bring back jobs and stand up to bad trade deals” talk That 40 year old gentleman was working at Wal Mart after losing job at Delphi site now a giant Hollywood Gambling joint. Jobs paying pathetic wages. Many more I have talked with.

    All fear a car breaking down, sometimes having utilities cut off, not always able to buy kids all of their school supplies etc etc. Dayton is filled with broken down homes and yes quite a few jobs making around $11.oo an hour but not wages you can live safely on. Dayton where the opiod epidemic has been insane for over a decade. Depression, poverty rampant.

    All of this taking place in city after town, after city across the country while our elected and selected leaders and officials start unnecessary and horrific wars, invasions, interventions that kill and in hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. Millions are displaced. Trillions of dollars spent to turn the middle east into piles of rubble and peoples lives into utter human fiasco’s for those that survive these man made disasters.

    And now this…headed towards a bigger disaster with Iran. Just what former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter, former middle east CIA analyst Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett (official negotiator with Iran) told us about 15 and more years about

    All while Rome is burning here in the states with people chasing their tails to make ends meet and corporate profits and control rising.

    You really have to wonder if chaos, death and destruction is just what the Iraq/Iran war hawks wanted.

    Sanders and Warren the only ones addressing these brutal realities

    • gamal on January 8, 2020, 3:40 pm

      “All of this taking place in city after town, after city across the country ”

      You get right to the heart of it, you notice no body in the western body politic gives a damn about how anyone is doing, ( i don’t watch media) where is the politician willing to bomb those tent cities with homes, clinics, in England there are more food banks than Mcdonalds outlets, everyone I know is struggling, if you don’t like struggle there’s no escaping it.

      As he said the bombs falling on Raqqa and Mosul are going off in your neighbourhood and people myself very much included talk a whole load of irrelevant nonsense, the poverty in my bucolic paradise is just a touch above extreme, there is no space ever even to address it, what can you say, this week I feel seditious, seditious mainly, but not useful.

      thank you, you woke me up madam I am so easily distracted, your humble etc.

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