American Jews start petition against ‘carnage’

Richard Silverstein and Jerry Haber have started a petition seeking American Jews who are "shocked and appalled" by the Gaza slaughter (which gets props from JTA on religious grounds). Silverstein asks:

Killing Said Siam, interior minister in the Hamas government??  Have they entirely lost their minds?  Do they want Olmert assassinated?  Or Barak?  Do they want to create a bulls=eye on the back of every Knesset member who ever leaves Israel’s shores so that any Islamist around the world will only be too happy to take a potshot?  Do they think the Shin Bet will protect them indefinitely?  Do they think they’re not vulnerable?  Do they have the faintest idea what they are doing?  This is classic hubris of Greek tragic proportions.

About Philip Weiss

Philip Weiss is Founder and Co-Editor of Mondoweiss.net.
Posted in Beyondoweiss, Gaza, US Politics

{ 10 comments... read them below or add one }

  1. Richard Witty says:

    A long-term cease-fire is an acceptable goal.

    According to the press, it is close.

    Hamas will achieve relaxation of the border crossings. Israel will achieve a cease-fire of rockets, and international supervision of Rafah border crossing.

    Hamas' biggest beef with the proposal is NOT relative to Israel, but relative to Fatah.

  2. Lysander says:

    It is because they pretty much ARE immune that this happens. They do not believe Hamas or anyone else can touch them at home or abroad. If they thought it a high possibility, they wouldn't even consider it.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Israel was constructed on and lives by 'retaliation.' Since the forties that has often required provocation. In the forties, a Stern or Irgun raid, or many, on a previously quiet village, finally a response, followed by an overwhelming Haganah 'retaliation.' Laying the foundation for war and expulsion.

    In this case there must have been some frustration that the slaughter so far had failed to provoke any significant violence outside of Gaza. But more can always be done.

    The assassination of Said Siam, and many of his family members, follows a perfect logic.

    An assassinated Knesset member or two, a suicide bombing or two with large casualties, are precisely what is needed to 'justify' the next round to the audience that matters, here in Washington.

    They have every idea of what they are doing.

  4. MM says:

    Yep, Anonymous. Sharon got the Second Intifada he was after. And Olmert and Livni are gonna get themselves the Third.

  5. americangoy says:

    "Hamas will achieve relaxation of the border crossings. Israel will achieve a cease-fire of rockets, and international supervision of Rafah border crossing."

    Do not see anything wrong with this, but why did the 1000's have to die/be maimed????

  6. Dan Kelly says:

    Let's get this straight. Israel's existence depends on committing genocide with your tax money. All the aggression that Israel commits is done in defense of Israel's existence.

    Therefore, duh, Israel should not exist. Israel cannot exist as a Jewish state AND give people back their homes and give them all a vote, which is their right under international law.

    Any Jew whose family lost their home in Germany or Poland is allowed by law to claim back the property. It's elementary property rights law. Human rights include property rights. Jews have to give back what they stole. Israel's existence was dependent on the UN Resolution 181. Israel's existence depends on the condition that the Jews have to let the Palestinians stay in their homes and give them equal citizenship rights. This has never happened. Within hours of signing that agreement Israel was ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948.

    Many people in Gaza have property in Sredot. It used to be their land, until they were evicted at gunpoint by Jewish murdering thugs. The racist settlers living on other people's stolen property in Sredot have absolutely no right to expect to live in security or peace. Americans who hear Jews and non-Jews say such genocidal racist and sick statements like Israel has the right to defend itself should be ashamed. Instead, they want you to apologize for calling Jews "Jews."

    No, I really mean Jews. My fight is with the Jewish power establishment and not the Israelis per se.

    Do any of the Jewish organizations support the right of Hamas to exist?

    When people accept Israel's "right" to exist, or more accurately, the Jewish "right" to mass murder and plunder non-Jews including Americans, they are accepting a criminal ideology. Israel's existence does not exist in a vacuum. It is a result of American Jewish organizations, and to a large extent, European. All Americans are indoctrinated by American Jewish organizations via the media and Hollywood and even the Pentagon is informed of all its plans by the Jewish organizations.

    Also alarming, nearly all American Jews go through an indoctrination process within the Jewish community that is even more extreme. It includes training in psychological manipulation tactics aimed at shifting the blame away from Jews any time someone mentions the obvious, for example, "Jews are killing Palestinans." The trick is always to make the person apologize for believing that Jews would kill Palestinians. All bystanders would be made to revile the person stating the obvious as a flaming racist. It's an interesting game. But it doesn't work forever.

    The good news is, there is nothing behind the Jewish facade, the linguistic traps of mixed messages. That is, the banal statements of believing in peace plus the absolute refusal to do what it takes to be a good person – give the Palestinians their lands back and give them citzenship rights in some country. It probably doesn't matter what you call it at this point but that's the minimum requirement for peace.

    Once you get people to the point where they admit the truth, that all humans are created equal, and therefore Israel's existence is a really bad idea, they can either agree with you, or short-circuit. Those who know Israel is wrong and do not strive against its existence are just like the all Gentiles whom the Jews routinely condemn for "doing nothing" about the Holocaust. Jewish Liberals should not serve as human shields using a battle of guilt trips to stop people from discussing how to limit Jewish power.

    The Islamophobic hate campaign was not just created by Israel. It was created, coordinated and disseminated in the US by Jewish organizations. Every Jew in the Jewish community participates in some way with the Zionist agenda of racist indoctrination. They are fed a steady stream of anti-Islam and anti-Arab propaganda and are brainwashed to believe that Israel has a right to exist. If you are not with the genocidaires, then, why are you shielding them?

    One may choose to opt out of Jewish organizational behavior; that does not erase the very real and scary fact that this destructive deliberate and well-funded organized violent crime and extortion racket is backed up by all the well-meaning Jewish footsoldiers who are simply loyal to "Israel" or to the Jewish people without fully knowing what that means.

    It is hard to see the big picture even once one notices the pattern. One of the reasons is because in polite society we are not allowed to discuss Jewish racism. Always, one of the little footsoldiers chimes in, wanting an exception to the group accusation to Jews. But this policing against anti-semitism, instead of responding in a moral and appropriate way, is exactly the Jewish behavior that the Jew has been programmed for by the B'nai B'rith Society. Rabbi Lerner, who has never been to the Occupied Territories, gets his "media updates" and talking points from the JCRC. The Liberal Zionists are trained and coordinated to cover for the Right Wing Jews. They don't even realize that their behavior is clinically abnormal and morally bankrupt.

    In a recent article, former Israeli philosopher Gilad Atzmon writes:

    "The Jewish state is the ultimate threat to humanity and our notion of humanism. Christianity, Islam and humanism came along with an attempt to amend Jewish tribal fundamentalism and to replace it with universal ethics. Enlightenment, liberalism and emancipation allowed Jews to redeem themselves from their ancient tribal supremacist traits. Since the mid 19th century, many Jews had been breaking out of their cultural and tribal chain. Tragically enough, Zionism managed to pull many Jews back in. Currently, Israel and Zionism are the only collective voice available for Jews.

    The last twelve days of merciless offensive against the Palestinian civilian population does not leave any room for doubt. Israel is the gravest danger to world peace. Clearly the nations made a tragic mistake in 1947 giving a volatile racially orientated identity an opportunity to set itself into a national state. However, the nations’ duty now is to peacefully dismantle that state before it is too late. We must do it before the Jewish state and its forceful lobbies around the world manage to pull us all into a global war in the ‘name’ of one banal populist ideology or another (democracy, war against terror, cultural clash and so on). We have to wake up now before our one and only planet is transformed into a bursting boil of hatred."

    I think if a Jew wants to live in the Holy Land he or she should accept to live under majority rule: Hamas rule. A modern Islamic state, whose Constitution includes a Bill of Rights for non-Muslims, is really the only viable option for peace in Historic Palestine. Hamas has every right, under international law, to fight against the occupying power, including lobbing pipe bombs over the Apartheid Wall. Israel has no right to blockade any part of a civilian population, preventing them from getting to work, getting food, or medical aid. Israel has no right to build a wall.

    I've been through this Jewish indignation thing during the Jenin Massacre and so it's harder to fool me now. Among the various threads of Zionist thought, from the condescending racism of Tikkun to the openly aggressive settler movement, there is nothing cool.

    My goal is to stop the evil so it is necessary to observe the evil – not just walk away saying "How sad."

    Levels of guilt:

    those who commit atrocities
    those who justify the atrocities
    those who deny the atrocities
    those who benefit from atrocities
    those who participated in a society that allows atrocities

    So let's reiterate the obvious.

    Israel does NOT have any "right" to exist nor any right to defend itself.
    The UN has the right to dismantle Israel.

    When Israel says they want to eradicate "Hamas" they mean anyone who might have ever voted for Hamas.

    Meaning: all Palestinians

    The Palestinians DO have the right to shoot rockets at an occupier.

    We are engaged in genocide when we neglect to use the word Palestine in our speech.

    We DO need good strategy for eradicating Jewish tyranny.

    Do Jewish sensitivities matter at this time?

  7. Dan Kelly says:

    The call is clear: to kill a group of people, with their first and last name, habits and ideas, political affiliations and pictures easily identifiable. They also demand informers’ cooperation so as to complete the list with addresses. The dossiers are openly addressed to the Israeli military so as to help them eliminate “dangerous” targets physically, unless others see to it first: the foes to be hit are western activists—health assistants and other volunteers—who work and are witnesses to what is unfolding in the Occupied Territories.

    You may read all this on a website, run by a group of extremists, a sort of American-Jewish Ku Klux Klan: Stop the ISM. It may be worth noting that an Italian, Vittorio Arrigoni, whose touching reports from Gaza we have read, is amongst those targeted.

    The person who runs the site is Lee Kaplan. He’s one of the many quasi-fascist instigators of the American far right underbelly, a medley that has recently taken root both amongst the Christian movements and the fringes of Jewish fundamentalism, now joined by an unusual anti-Islamic extremism. In the US, this linking between these two milieus has strengthened to the extent that Kaplan often hangs around the wannabe high society circles of the TV talk shows famous for their foaming at the mouth, on Fox News channel.

    But, above all, this phenomenon is getting stronger in the Holy Land. The Jewish fundamentalists control the most extremist settlements in the territories (as it was already possible to learn by reading Israel Shahak’s and Norton Mezvinsky’s Jewish fundamentalism in Israel, London, Pluto Press 1999). The Christian fundamentalists help them hasten the coming of Armageddon, the final battle between Good and Evil, that is supposed to take place precisely there. Maybe in order to get ahead with his work, Mr Kaplan gives free rein to the site in order to call for Arrigoni and others to be eliminated. Moreover, without expecting any concern from the Italian government, in case someone should see to our fellow countryman’s wished-for “permanent removal”. We shall repeat: these criminal hopes haven’t turned up on a semi-underground web forum, but on a site open to everyone and run by a public figure.

    Those who want to bump off the witnesses of the slaughter

  8. samuel burke says:

    just waiting for the day when israel has to play all alone in the schoolyard where they were the bully with their big brother watching their back….that day is coming, so make peace and make ammends.

  9. James says:

    I found this on another blog, very funny.

    The Little Dickie Silverstein Marching Song

    I am a little kapo,
    It makes my mommy mad,
    Cause when I am a kapo,
    Those Zionists get sad!

    I celebrate the jihad,
    and terror all the while,
    I fill my blog and web page,
    With loud salutes of Sieg Heil!

    I want to see them Zraelis,
    All dumped out in the sea,
    My swastika a waving,
    Cause everything’s bout me.

  10. James says:

    Richard KapoDickie Silverstein is an immature self-hating Seattle anti-Semite pretending to know something about Judaism

Leave a Reply