Where do you get this kind of stuff? Oh, I get it in Haaretz-- and my friend Zellnik passes it to me. The noblest newspaper in the world struggles against Jim Crow while the New York Times is silent. Haaretz reports, The national railroads' employment policy says: No Arabs in lookout positions, to prevent train accidents.
Abdel Karim Kadi, 28, from Kalansua, told Haaretz on
Sunday: "We work with safety, not security. We prevent accidents and we
do it for low pay. Most of the workers are Arabs, and now even an Arab
who has done national service isn't good enough for them. We could be
police officers or pharmacists, but not train monitors?"
The workers earn NIS 24 an hour, slightly above minimum wage. Since the story broke, they have allegedly been threatened not to speak to the media.
The workers earn NIS 24 an hour, slightly above minimum wage. Since the story broke, they have allegedly been threatened not to speak to the media.
Tell me: What is this Zionism? And how did it capture the Jews?
Tell me: What is this Zionism? And how did it capture the Jews?
How many times do I have to tell you this? Go to any website dealing with drug abuse, and look up the effects of cocaine abuse on the personality. Voila, Zionism!
I have no way of knowing what Zionism meant to the first generation of Jews, persecuted and brutalised who embraced it, and it would be pretty damn presumptuous to say I did. But I sure as hell know what fifty + (A girl isn't supposed to tell, is she?) years of being an American Jew tells me.
And does it ever occur to you that Zionism means completely different things to different people? Not all the Jews in Israel (let alone all Israeli residents) are Zionism's winners, only a few of them. Of course, if you are an American ZIonist supporter, and all you need from Zionism is a psychic lift, or a dick-hardening, that's different.
Obviously stereotyping is 'wrong for me but not for thee.'
Imagine the outrage if westerners felt that Jews should not be involved in the financial sector as some would argue they cannot be trusted.
"What is this Zionism? And how did it capture the Jews?"
Biggest proof that there actually was a holocaust. Only a murder of this magnitude can convince more or less a whole people that it needs to go to a very sandy country with some kind of holy site and kill all the dark skinned people there.
"Imagine the outrage if westerners felt that Jews should not be involved in the financial sector as some would argue they cannot be trusted."
Damn right.
"The workers earn NIS 24 an hour, slightly above minimum wage. Since the story broke, they have allegedly been threatened not to speak to the media."
What? As a kibbutz volunteer, we were given a 2" thick foam pad on a metal ,in a moldy plywood dorm next to a cowshed, silent treatment by the kibbutzniks for no reason, horrible meals, promised excursions that never happened, and 40 NIS per month to spend–usually buying inflated goods at the kibbutz bar or store–all in exchange for factory and agricultural work. I honestly think that the European attitude towards Israel differs from the American attitude, in part, because so many young Europeans have experienced the hostility and outright bigotry of the kibbutznik. You leave Israel wondering if they actually pay for anything.
"You leave Israel wondering if they actually pay for anything."
Why should they? They have patented the Holocaust and extort massive amounts of money from Jews and non-Jews alike to 1) uphold the memory (as if money could accomplish this) and 2) defend Jews against future Holocausts. And if certain elements within Israeli society feel that the money is not enough, they ramp up the fearmongering ("Iraq wants to kill us! Iran wants to kill us!")and they ramp up the killing of Palestinians so the world ramps up the criticism. Then said elements point at the criticism and use it as proof that Jews and non-Jews alike have to pay even more.
This is really, really awful because (at least as far as the social history goes) the railway union of (British) Palestine was the most successful of the "mixed" unions, and like medical care, it's still one of the proportional-to-population areas of employment. Israel Railways should content itself with the usual security checks and be done with it, there is no past history of infiltration and the suicide bomber in the North who struck at a train station was not a railway employee.
That was pretty messed up. Hopefully the Israeli Arabs take it to court and file anti-discrimination.
Just curious, did Phil have anything to say about the Jenin aholes who prohibited young Palestinian musicians from playing at a concert for elderly Holocaust survivors?
"Adnan al-Hindi, the leader of the camp’s Popular Committee, a grass-roots group representing the Palestine Liberation Organization, said the young musicians had been exploited by the orchestra director, Wafaa Younis, for the purpose of “normalizing” ties with Israel. He said by telephone that the children had been “deceived” and dragged unwittingly into a political situation that “served enemy interests” and aimed to “destroy the Palestinian national spirit in the camp.”
Jenin jerks show their true colors
I hope the orchestra director is not physically harmed. In situations like this, you take your life into your own hands!
I went to a kibbutz in (I think) 1971 or so, and the sleeping arrangements were certainly pretty shoddy, but the food was OK. It was up north, near Nahariya. It was really boring, so I sort of vamoosed, and went on a pennyless tour of the country (not a good idea). I ended up sleeping on the beach at Eilat (which didn't really exist then).
I remember reading a couple of years ago about an Arab Israeli taxi driver in Jerusalem who picked up several Jewish tourists from France. When they realized he was not a Jew, they opened the doors and left without giving any explanation.
Suzanne the pig definitely doesn't care about the Palestinian group that was admonished for singing for Holocaust survivors.
She cares about Jews and peddling the Holocaust as much as possible.
Let's not forget that Israel prevented the Palestinian cultural festival from taking place in Jerusalem – and did so violently.
Let's hear what the pig thinks about that.
Can we have an Israeli children band or orchestra paly for the Jenin survivors? Or the Nakba survivors for that matter?
"I went to a kibbutz in (I think) 1971 or so, and the sleeping arrangements were certainly pretty shoddy, but the food was OK. It was up north, near Nahariya."
Which one? I worked on several north of Nahariya in the early 90s. Outside of the produce, the food wasn't very good, unless you like tripe or shoe-leather meat.
"Can we have an Israeli children band or orchestra paly for the Jenin survivors? Or the Nakba survivors for that matter?"
All 7 million of them?
When are the descendants of the Jews thrown out of Arab countries going to get reimbursed?
"Can we have an Israeli children band or orchestra paly for the Jenin survivors? Or the Nakba survivors for that matter?"
All 7 million of them?
When are the descendants of the Jews thrown out of Arab countries going to get reimbursed?
It's zionism that destroyed the jewish communities in the arab countries, often very deliberately. They are victims of that ideology just like – but much less so – the palestinian arabs.
They will get reimbursed when Israel reimburses the Palestinians.
Besides, you didn't answer my question Julian. (And why do you post twice? Is it an accentric habit?) When are the Jewish children going to play for the Palestinians? Would a Jewish orchestra teacher be bold enought to take the kids without their parents permission as thte Palestinian teacher did?
"What is this Zionism? And how did it capture the Jews?"
Zionism didn't capture the Jews, they simply accepted it and carried it forward. The apples don't fall far from the trees. We suffer from acceping the sins of the founders who placed land above lives, even Jewish lives.
As Max Nordau a leader of the movement told the sixth Zionist congress, "..the purpose was already detrmined in the beginning of Zionism–Israel above all, and that is foremost. and so the people are for Zionism and the state, and not the state and Zionism for the people. If the state is an asset in its own right, then everything is legitimate in the quest to attain the state…"
Nordau's remarks echo through virtually all the statements of the founders of so insidious an idsology. So the children of the fathers carry the legacy and from the look of things, with more than a modicum of pride and self-righteousness.
The lying sewer filth known as Israelis, chapter twenty eight thousand two hundred and eleven:
Israel Ends Inquiry Into Abuse in Gaza
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?_r=1&hp
The only good Israeli…
Otto told Julian:
"It's zionism that destroyed the jewish communities in the arab countries, often very deliberately. They are victims of that ideology just like – but much less so – the palestinian arabs."
Quite right. If you are curious Julian start, as far as the Iraqi Jews are concerned, with googling on "Naeim Giladi" and take it from there. The Wiki on him is incomplete in its 'controversy' section. It doesn't mention Ben Cohen's critique of Moshe Gat (the main Israeli historian who tried to exonerate the Zionists) in the Journal of Palestine Studies.
If you want to know about the Moroccan Jews, Julian, I have some stuff for you in reserve.
Arie
..not sure about Julian but I'd certainly be interested. The topic of "Jews ruthlessly expelled by the Arabs" comes up incessantly, though the people climbing on this soap box rarely have any verifiable history to relate. Given the shocking "discovery" by Cohen in the Times that Iranian Jews are actually NOT undergoing a second shoah (or even a pogrom) but rather, living contented lives as Jews with exactly zero interest in emigrating to Israel (despite the constant bribes offered), I would think the whole topic of arab Jews should be given thorough reexamination.
Saleema 3:53pm – that would alter the constant focus that needs to be put on the holocaust….
He could also read this from Hanna Braun, an Israeli ex-pat who lived through that time:
More at link: link to cosmos.ucc.ie
And if you want to read about the mistreatment by Zionists of Jews in the displaced persons camps of Europe, I'd suggest "In the Shadow of the Holocaust" by Yosef Grodzinsky. The Hebrew title of his book, "Of Good Human Material" is more apropos of the cynical exploitation.
Obviously stereotyping is 'wrong for me but not for thee.'
Imagine the outrage if westerners felt that Jews should not be involved in the financial sector as some would argue they cannot be trusted.
Posted by: LanceThruster | March 30, 2009 at 02:39 PM
And Jews have been convicted for deliberately screwing gentiles, like Lance, because they are gentiles?
I posted this a few years ago but do so again because some people have expressed an interest in it. This is specifically about Iraqi Jews. A post about the Moroccan Jews will follow:
Consider the following quote:
"I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called "cruel Zionism." I write about it because I was part of it." Naeim Giladi
When I first encountered this article by an erstwhile Iraqi Jew, Naeim Giladi, from which this quote is taken, on the internet, I took some trouble to get some more information regarding his claim that the Jewish community in Iraq was around 1950 driven out by a bombing campaign inspired by Zionists. This is what I found. If anybody has more information on this I would be pleased to hear about it.
Giladi himself referred to the late Wilbur Crane Eveland, erstwhile CIA operative, whose book "Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the Middle East", N.Y. Norton 1980, was quite unwelcome to the foreign policy establishment.
Roberta Strauss Feuerlicht, who wrote an equally unwelcome book that was suppressed after the first print run of 7,000 copies (The fate of the Jews: a people torn between Israeli power and Jewish ethics, New York Times Books 1983) quotes extensively from Eveland:
"Just after I arrived in Baghdad an Israeli citizen had been recognized in the city's largest department store: his interrogation led to the discovery of fifteen arms caches brought into Iraq by an underground Zionist movement. In attempts to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service Library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel. Although the Iraqi police later provided our embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings, as well as the anti Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaigns, had been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had 'rescued'…"
Indeed, the habitual assertion is that the two Jews who were hung for the affair after a trial had been 'falsely accused'. I don't know of any evidence that can lead to that assertion. And in case any one sniffs at the idea that the Iraqi police of around 1950 could come up with such a thing as reliable evidence s/he should consult the book of David Hirst, Middle East correspondent for the Guardian and contributor to such publications as the Christian Science Monitor, The Nation and others.
Hirst is in "The Gun and the Olive Branch: The Roots of Violence in the Middle East" 1977, 1st ed., reissued 2003, quite emphatic about these Zionist bombings and he provides some further evidence for them.
As Eveland mentioned above, the whole affair started rolling when an Israeli citizen was recognized in a Baghdad department store by a Palestinian refugee.
This Israeli, Yehudah Tajjar, was in the first instance sentenced to life imprisonment, but released after ten years. He broke Jewish silence on this Zionist conspiracy when he was back in Israel. This led, in 1966, to a publication in the weekly magazine Ha'olam Hazeh. The full story was published, in 1972, in the organ of militant Sephardim Jews "The Black Panther", which also drew on the testimony of two Israeli citizens who were in Baghdad at the time, a certain Kaduri Salim and an Iraqi lawyer, then living in Tel Aviv.
The Black Panther article is apparently very bitter about the fact that Iraqi Jews were 'induced' in this way to move to Israel. David Hirst quotes its statement that a community that "ruled over most of the resources of Iraq … was turned into a ruled group, discriminated against and oppressed in every aspect". This transformation took place in Israel.
One of those erstwhile Iraqi Jews is Ella Shohat, Professor of media and cultural studies at the City University of New York (CUNY). In her article "Rupture and Return : A Mizrahi Perspective on the Zionist Discourse" she is quite categorical on the Zionist bombings.
She writes:
"The displacement of Iraqi Jews for example was not, simply, a choice of the Arab Jews themselves. Even if some Arab-Jews expressed a desire to go to Israel, or to "Zion", the question is why, suddenly, after millennia of not doing so, would they leave overnight? I would argue that Arab-Jewish displacement was the product of complex circumstances in which panic rather than desire for Aliya was the key factor. The 'in-gathering' seems less natural when one takes into account the circumstances forcing their departure: the efforts of the Zionist underground in Iraq to undermine the authority of the community leaders such as that of Hassam Sasson Khturi, Zionist attempts to place a 'wedge'between the Jewish and Muslim communities, for example by placing bombs in synagogues to generate anti-Arab panic on the part of Jews…"
Who smuggled the weapons, for the Zionist organization called "The Movement", into Iraq. Hirst quotes a letter from Yigal Allon, then chief of the Palmach commandos and later Foreign Minister of Israel, which seems to reveal that his group was responsible for this ( below I will quote Ben Cohen regarding a telling statement by Allon on this).
In his article Neve Shalom / Wahat al-Salam, Israel, published in the School for Peace Annual Review, January 2001, Yehudah Shenhav also refers to the bombing as if it is a matter that is commonly known. He writes:
"Around this time, working undercover as representatives of Solel Boneh, Israeli Mossad agents began underground activities in Iraq. All of a sudden there was an explosion in the Mas'uda Shem Tov synagogue and immediately afterwards 24,000 Jews registered to leave the country. Abbas Shiblak describes in his book how each time there was a fall in registration, another bomb went off followed by another mass exodus. Five of these bombs did the job".
Shenhav also makes short shrift with the 'argument' that Israel did not even want these Iraqi Jews because they were deemed to be inferior to its own Ashkenaze elite. He writes:
"The Zionist movement began to pay attention to Mizrahi Jewry in the years 1941 – 1942.It was then that Ben Gurion introduced his 'one million plan' Anticipating that many Jews will be annihilated by Nazi persecution causing problems for the Zionist movement, Ben Gurion decided that a plan must be introduced based on Jews from Arab lands. In 1950 an agreement was reached with Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri Sa'id, as a result of which a law was passed allowing Jews to forfeit their Iraqi citizenship and leave the country without their property."
Is there any scholarly weight now to the publications that have denied that there was a Zionist conspiracy here? The most authoritative of these seems to me the book by the Israel historian Moshe Gat, entitled "The Jewish Exodus from Iraq, 1948 -1951" London: Frank Cass, 1997.
Daniel Pipes, the auctor intellectualis of 'campus watch', says, in his review of this book, inter alia:
"The author puts to rest the notion that Israeli agents used terrorism to get Iraqi Jews to make aliyah; 'there was no connection between the bomb-throwing incidents and the departure of the Jews'".
The scholar who reviewed the book for the Journal of Palestine Studies (in Vol.27, No.4, Summer 1998), Ben Cohen, was considerably less complacent on this point.
He wrote:
"Gat lists a number of writers who have concluded that Israel was behind these attacks to terrorize the Jews into leaving. For Gat, however, it is 'unlikely that there will ever be' a definitive answer to the question of responsibility (p.187). But then he exonerates Israel in an example of the periodic inconsistencies that mar the text; he argues that the Zionist underground would not have adopted such a risky strategy at a time when the Iraqi police was closing in on them (p.186). Yet, he does not consider the possibility that leading Iraqis, whose pockets were being lined, turned a blind eye; nor does he take into account Yigal Allon's admission, in comments on the 'Lavon affair' of 1954 (i.e. a Zionist bombing campaign in Egypt – AB) that such a method of operation – a bombing campaign – 'was first tried in Iraq' "
As far as the Moroccon Jews are concerned I will quote some statements from Professor Pinto, a Jewish Dutchman of Moroccan origin, who is presently (or used to be) president of the European Federation of Moroccan Jews. The quote is from the Dutch paper "De Telegraaf" of 9/20/2005.
"Many young Dutch people of Moroccan origin don't realise, according to Pinto, that Morocco was for a long time a quite pleasant land for Jews to live in." In my time there were 300,000 Jews living in Morocco" said the Professor who moved to Holland in 1963. Jews could function in all sections of society, he said. There was absolutely no question of discrimination.
Pinto refers to the adviser of King Mohammed VI, A.Azoulay, as an example of the fact that Jews and Moroccans can live well together."
Thus far Pinto.
What also seems to be forgotten is that, when in 1940 the German controlled French Vichy government issued racist laws excluding Jews from public functions and obliging them to wear the yellow star of David, Sultan Mohammed V refused to apply these laws in his country, then still a French colony, and made a point of inviting Moroccon rabbis to the enthronement celebrations.
It is true that after the foundation of Israel there have been locally some anti-Jewish riots but it is to me an open question to what extent the migration of the Moroccon Jews was a matter of the push from Morocco or the pull by Israel.
At any case, according to Job Cohen, Mayor of Amsterdam, who recently (2007) visited the place, the remaining Jewish population there is doing quite well.
Also, King Hassan II issued invitations for the Jewish migrants to return. These seem not to have been taken up.
Jewish Zionists HAVE to perpetuate the image of the Jew as the eternal victim.
Hence, the transition from victim to criminal (Zionism) is justified in their eyes.
This is why Julian brings up Jewish blah blah in Arab lands. He – being the scumbag he is – has to conflate Palestinians with all Arabs and then only focus on Arabs that he sees as evil (because of what they did to 'the Jews').
So in the mind of this scumbag:
Palestinians are Arabs.
Arabs like the Arabs who did blah blah to 'the Jews'.
Palestinians did blah blah to 'the Jews'.
Palestinians are evil.
Why should we negotiate with evil?
That's Zionism in a nutshell.
Can we have an Israeli children band or orchestra paly for the Jenin survivors?
Posted by: Saleema | March 30, 2009 at 03:53 PM
Are you talking about the 40,100 survivors out of 40,150 victims?
The number game is not going to work on me. I am deprogrammed. Take your zionist revisionist history to Israel and the various kibbuts and to the hillels in the US.
Granted we play by your game. Ok. Let's have an orchestra for a handful of them.
Nothing new, really. This is just the latest illustration of the web of discriminatory Israeli laws in employment, housing, education and land use which has been extensively documented. All "Legal", mostly (until recently) without mentioning "Arabs" specifically.
Special privileges are reserved for army veterans, "development zones," immigrant absorption communities, "front-line" settlements — all invariably Jewish — and so on. Arabs are effectively barred from many kinds of jobs in the public sector, including the electric company, for example. Jonathan Cook describes the system in his books, as also Susan Nathan in The Other Side of Israel.
The Arab legal defense organization Adalah has tons of documentation available on its web site.
Thank you, arie.
Someone ought to assemble this info comprehensively and put it out in book form. It kicks another leg out from under the Zionazi coffee table. It should be a country by country study.
The case of iran is dramatic in that it totally destroys the association of Islam, even radical Islam, with anti-Semitism. It's hard to get more fanatically, psychotically fundamentalist than Ayatollah Khomeini. The guy was a first class nut. He was NOT however, an anti-Semite. In point of fact, on the eve of the Islamic revolution in Iran, he called a meeting of the Iraniani Counsil of Jews and assured them they were full iranian citizens and would not be persecuted or expelled. Iran is cool with Jews. They just hate Israel, as all people of conscience worldwide hate Israel.
r, I don't think Khomeini was any crazier than, for instance, Ronald Reagan.
Speaking of Jim Crow, have you seen the two articles in Ha'aretz where American human rights organsiations and activists are urging the Obama administration to attend the Durban 2 conference on racism, stating:
I think this is an important story. The two articles can be found below.
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Marion Woolfson, a British Jew, wrote a book in 1980 on the subject called "Prophets in Babylon: Jews in the Arab World" that gives some longer term history and some details of situations and events in the post 1948 Arab world. Its out of print but you can find used copies at online bookstores.
Also, Rabbi Elmer Berger, the leading and somewhat lonely anti-Zionist Jew in the forties and fifties, wrote several books, and as I recall, one or more of them had to do with his experiences in the Arab Middle East speaking with Jews from various Arab lands. Try "Memoirs of an Anti-Zionist Jew" or "Who Knows Better Must Say So". Again, both out of print but usually available used.
Also, check out stuff on the web from Yehuda Shenhav, a professor at Tel Aviv University. Examples are here:
Are you incapable of accurately reporting simple stories? Why do you fail to note that a number of Jewish workers will be losing their jobs as well? Why do you regularly ignore dissenting opinions?
My Father worked for the brit-israel RR.after 40 of hard and inspiring work they gave him to manage a crew of 8 arabs and jews.At the time the highest rank possible for an Arab.He knew he wasnt going any where ,being an Arab that is.Because fo him the rail road co. received a pattent on Gmotors breaking system.He got $200.He used to till his co-workers ,If my name was Moshe,I'd be the head of the plant by now.For the last five years at work he asked for early retirement,refused to work dared the co to fire him and fixed expesive clocks and cigs lighters.With all the discimination that he received at work,the worst part of it was when israhell would bomb and kill Arabs somewhere and the nexy day he has to work with his jewish coworkers who would brag to him:we fucked you yesterday,you arabs are stupid etc.He had to stay quite,he had a family to raise.He was pained and bitter.Iam pained and bitter too.I saw and felt his pain.The shit he had to take from these latest fucking ,racist immegrants from some fucking country was too mutch to bareThis latest firing is not surprising,it's just coming late.
That "number" is apparently unknown at this time. It might in fact be zero. According to the Haaretz headline, 40 Arabs have already been laid off. The only indication that some Jews MIGHT be laid off as well is this one sentence.
If there are in fact Jewish workers that don't fit the new criteria then why weren't they given their pink slips on Sunday like the 40 Arabs were? That alone is discrimination.
But most of us here are informed enough to know the use of Army service (or draft status) as a prerequisite to privilege in Israel is simply a covert way to discriminate against Israeli Arabs, most of whom are not subject to draft like Jewish Israelis are, and most of whom, even if they do volunteer for service, would be turned down by the IDF, as are a high percentage of those few Arabs who do volunteer.
I am fed up to the teeth with all you liberal left gentiles and liberal jews who don't recognize the plight of the almost one million jewish refugees from arab lands since the inception of
'The state of Israel' in May 1948. My family suffered both persecution and murder from those arab regimes who victimised us at the same time that they decided to invade the new fledgling state of Israel. We left our native homeland of Syria for the safety of europe. We had to leave all our property, ie. our homes, our businesses, all our bank accounts were frozen. Jewish persecution however didn't start in 1948 it was prevalent all the time in the arab world, we had family members murdered in cold blood during 'The Fahud' in 1941 Baghdad, Iraq, instigated by The grand mufti of jerusalem, who fled to Iraq fearing capture by the British, he then fled again before he could be captured, this time to Berlin, Nazi germany as the personal guest of Adolf Hitler. There were many arab citizens aswell as arab citizens of British mandated palestine who were only too willing to support and in many cases fight for a german axis victory over the allies.