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Phil, Are you aware that your blog confirms their fears, rather than dashes them. In order to dash the fears, rather than confirm them, your approach would have to be positive in orientation, emphasizing MUTUAL acceptance and appreciation, including appreciation of fears. Fears are information. When a fear is rational and ignored, it yells "pay attention to me", and becomes habitual. The Israeli fears of Iran are largely rational, and confirmed by acknowledgements by Hezbollah that it was planning an operation on Israel to be staged in the Sinai. And, confirmed by the large number of Farsi notations on missiles that hit southern Israel from Gaza. The valid question is what to do with those fears, what to derive from the information that they provide. Similarly, when stated as fears and aspirations, Palestinian voices deserve a respectful ear. When stated as hatred, they deserve defense and opposition, as they intend violence. The way to confront a fear-based approach politically, is to demonstrate that the fear is unnecessary either because of what already exists, or what plausibly could exist. Adding fuel to rage, is the OPPOSITE of making peace, as satisfying as it is short and long-term. And, you know that.
Palestinians deserve a STATE, not just an ear. They also deserve to live their lives as they see fit. Without obstacles and walls. They need water, shelter. They need access to roads, the sea and the sky. Richard, dear, I know, that you know, that you speak a bunch of bullshit and it's nothing more and nothing less than that. I know, that you know, that you don't even make sense to yourself. :) How long since you been out of Harvard? Time to go back and learn the art of speaking clearly. Or do you wish to hide your intentions, and that's why you blabber whithout saying much?
"your blog confirms their fears" Good. Zionists need to experience some serious, unresolvable fear for awhile.
The Amalekites are a mythical bogeyman, the eternal hater of the Jews, against whom, the Bible teaches, genocide is required. If that is what is in Netanyahu's heart, and that is what he sees when he looks upon Palestinian and Iranian, then Obama has a stern challenge. Mandela taught his followers: "you don't address their brains, you address their hearts." When Mandela looked in the hearts of the Afrikaaners, he, too, saw fear, fear of what the Blacks would do to the Whites, if given the freedom and power to do what they wanted. Obama must find a way to calm that fear, just as Mandela taught that the Whites must be liberated from their fear, even as the Blacks were liberated from their oppression. Reconciliation is the only hope. To see how Mandela did it, read "Playing the Enemy, Nelson Mandela and the Game that Made a Nation," by John Carlin. Goldberg does a service by disclosing what is in Netanyahu's heart. Is Obama a Mandela?
guys, this is a must-read. About the hate filled human that is named Benny Morris: "The historian who was considered a radical leftist suddenly maintained that Israel had no one to talk to. The researcher who was accused of being an Israel hater (and was boycotted by the Israeli academic establishment) began to publish articles in favor of Israel in the British paper The Guardian." "He doesn't think twice before firing off the sharpest, most shocking statements, which are anything but politically correct. He describes horrific war crimes offhandedly, paints apocalyptic visions with a smile on his lips." Benny: "What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape." Benny: "Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg." "
"There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot." Interviewer: "Ben-Gurion was a "transferist"?" Benny: "Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist." Interviewer: I don't hear you condemning him. Benny: "Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here." The rest, and much worse, here: http://www.deiryassin.org/bennymorris.html
Benny Morris also used the New York Times last year to argue that Israel will be justified in using nuclear weapons to attack Iran if the US won't attack Iran themselves. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/opinion/18morri...
Both articles contain blatant half-truths and propaganda. For one it wasnt Hamas who broke the ceasefire. It was Israel. And it happened on Nov 4th!
Dang next time I am in trouble I want YOU on my side!
If you ever want quotes quotes and more quotes about the intentions of the Zionists towards the Palestinians, and eventually the rest of the world, for in their eyes we are ALL potential Palestinians, check my blog and send me a note. I have more of them than I can shake a stick at. You might also like perusing some of the stuff I have posted. I am trying to summon up the nerve to post an entry last night by Eustace on the REAL HOLOCAUST of 60-70 000 000 Christians. It is revisionist history like I could never have imagined but makes sooo much clear! I truly believe that Palestine is just a continuation of business as usual for these folks, whatever their current incarnation may be called, and a warning for those of us not so helplessly trapped in their net as the Palestinian and Arab peoples.
I like that early Zionists asserted themselves to form an initial state. It was a great assertion of community liberation. And, the anger at the extent of harms done to accomplish that are rational in origination, and as they are not yet healed, rational currently. What is irrational is terror on civilians, AND Israeli expansion. BOTH. One doesn't stop without the other stopping. ANY apology for Palestinian or Islamic terror continuing, results directly in the suppression of the Palestinian people. Consistent clarity as to the limits of what one is dissenting is therefore necessary. If you are a revolutionary, then state it, and live with the consequences (isolation from the norm).
It is quite unbelievable that a journalist — which Goldberg claims to be — would not mention once in his op-ed that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, and a substantial arsenal at that. I can understand Israel's fear if Iran had invaded a northern neighbor with its infantry and air force. Or invaded a formerly occupied and defenseless colony to the south with brutal force. But Iran hasn't invaded another country in more than 300 years. Meanwhile, Israel has invaded both northern and southern neighbors within the last two years. Seems to me that Iran has very good reasons to fear Israel, as does every other country in the region.
Morris' theses: "The foreboding has two general sources and four specific causes. The general problems are simple. First, the Arab and wider Islamic worlds, despite Israeli hopes since 1948 and notwithstanding the peace treaties signed by Egypt and Jordan in 1979 and 1994, have never truly accepted the legitimacy of Israel’s creation and continue to oppose its existence." This is an accurate assessment. The Arab world has not yet accepted Israel's existence. The Arab League proposal is an exception, but to date only Jordan and Egypt have actively pushed it, leaving israelis to rationally question whether the offer is sincere, or propagandistic. "Second, public opinion in the West (and in democracies, governments can’t be far behind) is gradually reducing its support for Israel as the West looks askance at the Jewish state’s treatment of its Palestinian neighbors and wards. The Holocaust is increasingly becoming a faint and ineffectual memory and the Arab states are increasingly powerful and assertive." Phil notes and urges this point. The four specific threats may be described as exagerated if the Arab League proposal is sincere. If insincere, then the threats remain as significant if not existential. 1. Iran 2. Hezbollah 3. Hamas 4. Israeli Arab sentiment He ignores the tension between democracy and Jewish nationalism, which should be listed as an internal tension/threat.
Paranoia strikes deep. The fear of censorship is a paranoia as well. Truth exagerated.
MANY Israelis feel that the walls — and history — are closing in on their 60-year-old state Fence, Benny, fence.
"The Arab world has not yet accepted Israel's existence. " Why should they? Israel is not a legitimate state in their eyes. UNGA Resolution 273 (May 11, 1949) admitted Israel to the UN under the condition that it follow UNGA Resolution 194 (Dec 11 1948). Among the many conditions in Res 194 that Israel has never honored is this one: 11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations
So Israel should have allowed Hamas to continue digging a tunnel into Israel to kidnap more Israelis?
We do. That is why palestinian fascism reaps death. Keep making us fear, all you'll do is keep dying. And because you hide behind your children, they will die. And it will be your fault. Because you sought to make us afraid.
If you wish a quick death, go to Gaza. Saleema won't help you.
It would seem that israel should not recognize the Palestinians as a legitimate people. Israel should consider them as they considered themselves, southern syrians.
"It would seem that israel should not recognize the Palestinians as a legitimate people. " The last Zionist to recognize Palestinians as a people was Jabotinsky. None of his disciples have followed suit.
More classic Zionist/narcissist motifs. "They made me kill them. They scared me."
These kinds of articles are prime examples of Zionists attempting to use the excuse of past Jewish suffering to justify their paranoid thinking, and their past, present, and future biases and inhumane actions towards Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims in the Middle East region that stand up to them. Israeli fears of a present day Amalek are very much of the Zionist's extremely paranoid viewpoint and making, which I happen to believe will eventually lead to Israel's self destruction at the hands of its self destructive Zionist leaders…This is basically what Ahmadinijad meant when he was misquoted as wanting to wipe Israel off from the map…..
Total BS. But thanks for letting us know how you intend to post.
The Israeli ethnic cleansing and colonization campaign in the occupied Palestinian territories continues unabated. If Israelis feel the walls closing in, that's because the world is waking up to the fact that they are thieves. Don't whine to me about how much everyone hates you while you are engaged in armed robbery. You colonial Zionists have brought it onto yourselves. How hard is it to simply stop stealing? You may be shocked at just how much that will change hearts and minds.
These are the words of a man that recognizes the nationhood of a people and doesn't care because he wishes to dispossess them of their land and their birthright. Zionism in a nutshell. Excerpts from The Iron Wall by V. Jabotinsky, 1923: "Compromisers in our midst attempt to convince us that the Arabs are some kind of fools who can be tricked by a softened formulation of our goals, or a tribe of money grubbers who will abandon their birth right to Palestine for cultural and economic gains. I flatly reject this assessment of the Palestinian Arabs." "We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions; but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie. To think that the Arabs will voluntarily consent to the realization of Zionism in return for the cultural and economic benefits we can bestow on them is infantile." "It is of no importance whether we quote Herzl or Herbert Samuel to justify our activities. Colonization itself has its own explanation, integral and inescapable, and understood by every Arab and every Jew with his wits about him. Colonization can have only one goal. For the Palestinian Arabs this goal is inadmissible. This is in the nature of things. To change that nature is impossible." "If it were possible (and I doubt this) to discuss Palestine with the Arabs of Baghdad and Mecca as if it were some kind of small, immaterial borderland, then Palestine would still remain for the Palestinians not a borderland, but their birthplace, the center and basis of their own national existence. Therefore it would be necessary to carry on colonization against the will of the Palestinian Arabs, which is the same condition that exists now." "Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the Land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Hence those who hold that an agreement with the natives is an essential condition for Zionism can now say “no” and depart from Zionism. Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population — an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy."
What the fuck are you saying, Witless? Can you speak plainly? You have to disguise your bullshit constantly because you can't really refute the thrust of Phil's views. You have to keep up the act of 'mutual blah blah'. How about you do some actual analysis. This is beautiful: "Similarly, when stated as fears and aspirations, Palestinian voices deserve a respectful ear. When stated as hatred, they deserve defense and opposition, as they intend violence." This asshole spews this garbage with a straight face. None of Witless's comments ever deal with the day-to-day life of Occupation and the countless human rights abuses. None of his comments deal with the lack of justice. Almost all his posts are just like this one. He manages to write so much without actually SAYING ANYTHING. In typical form, he will rely on empty rhetoric and windbaggery: "Adding fuel to rage, is the OPPOSITE of making peace, as satisfying as it is short and long-term." What does this piece of shit think of the Gaza massacre? The racist t-shirts? The continued expansion of settlements and the house demolitions and evictions? The Yesh Din study proving no justice exists for the Palestinians because Israelis are by and large NAZIS. Whats does this guy think about the theft of water resources in the OT? The most glaringly obvious symbol of injustice perpetrated by the Israelis against the Palestinians? Of course Witty wants to constantly equate the conflict while at the same time slipping in that typical sanctimonious drivel about hate and violence as if it's intrinsically Arab. His Nazi State kills 10 times as many children. Actually more now due to Gaza. His Nazi State kills 5 times as many civilians. Actually more now due to Gaza. And those injustices on a daily basis have been the NORM for decades. Furthermore, Palestinians do not have a platform to convey their experiences in the same way Jews do. Jews have the mainstream Western intellectual community, MSM and Hollywood. How often do we see movies about the Nakba? How often do we see movies about the Holocaust? How often do we see movies about Arab terrorists, oil sheiks, belly-dancers, etc.? How often do we see movies about greedy Jewish bankers, immoral Israeli soldiers, corrupt Israeli politicians, etc.? We live in a world that is dominated by "the West." So of course, there is imperial racism. There is that imperial narrative that is projected on to our culture – movies, games, etc. The social pressures in the West are shaped by the power of the Jewish Establishment, the MIC, etc. So with all this going against the Arab world – which is ruled by corrupt dictators who are only in power because the United States prohibits true democratic movements in the region – why the fuck should we be equating Israeli politics to Palestinian politics? Israeli suffering to Palestinian suffering? Israeli racism to Palestinian racism? Etc. etc. There are 2 kinds of Zionists – the outright Nazis who think of Arabs and non-Jews as obstructions and/or beasts and then the polite Zionists like Witty who whether they know it or not, are much more effective because they regurgitate these platitudes that the uninformed are likely to admire. Sure, we'd like to believe this conflict is so tragic and "mistakes were made" on "both sides" and peace and love and blah blah blah is only achievable with "mutual" blah blah blah. Actually, the funny thing is I think Witty would be much more convincing if he stated his views are more in line with the contrived controversy and corrupt political reality. If that's the case then his bullshit is true. I mean American politics has never been about justice or truth. It's about power.
Oh my God. Somebody wrote that 86 entire years ago. And it is as if absolutely nothing happened between then and today. Except things have. An additional 86 entire years of history. And it all passed you by. As if you were standing still. And there you stand, like a moron, nothing keeping you erect but your hatred. So sad.
"86 entire years ago" Netanyahu's father was Jabotinsky's secretary and editor. History matters, grasshopper. Ad hominem might make you feel better but it makes you look bad. Just a tip in case you were unaware of how lurkers might view your insults.
Why is it that only Israeli soldiers are 'kidnapped' while every other soldier in the world is 'captured'?
Now now, you folks are being too hard on the Times and Morris. Remember when Austria elected that guy Haider to some position or other? Just like now with the election and elevation of Lieberman to high cabinet position in Israel and with Morris' article I'm just *sure* the Times ran someone telling us "Why Austria Feels Threatened," right? Oh, wait….
Except that the thinking has truth to it.
How many "colonial Zionists" do you think post here?
Why the fuck should we care about kidnapped Israeli soldiers when Israel regularly kidnaps Palestinian without any sort of justification? They even kidnap a minors. Israel even legalized kidnapping until 2000. Furthermore where is the fucking proof that these tunnels were going to be used to kidnap Israeli soldiers? I like how you, a piece of shit, refer to the potentially kidnapped persons as "Israelis" – generalizing. Israel only looks better morally when we forget they commit all the atrocities and crimes they accuse other of doing in greater quantity and in some cases under legal protection. Within context, the crimes of Israel's enemies are much more understandable (yet still crimes) than those committed by Israel.
Uh no. Palestinians are a internationally recognized people. Only ZioNazis deny this fact. In the same sense, no one is saying Jews do not exist or Israelis do not exist. They say the STATE – a political entity, you stupid fuck – is illegitimate. And if the Jewish State could only exist with the ethnic cleansing and dispossion of the indigenous people – then YES it is illegitimate and has no right to exist. Few States have a right to exist. This fact has nothing to do with Israel being a JEWISH State. More that it is a colonial State – an imperial State. So is the US. Neither have a 'right' to exist. They simply DO exist. And the political reality or zeitgeist implies that one should accept that reality – but no one has to accept the LEGITIMACY. It's like asking Native Americans to accept the US. Only a fucking moron Zionist would see this as an opportunity to say the Palestinians do not exist – because the same fucking moron Zionist interprets my above comments as an attack on Jewishness. Fucking moron.
So deep Witless. So deep.
You. That piece of shit HuffPo blogger – forgot his name already. All the Nazi sockpuppets who refer to Arabs (not just Palestinians) and non-Jews as obstructions to their pure Eretz Israel.
Richard, "the thinking has truth to it" only if the Zionist leaders are attempting to recreate the Amalek in their minds, in a warped attempt at making past events into present events, so that they can justify in their thinking the need to continue defying and breaking international laws, and committing inhumane acts against the occupied Palestinians and those who are challenging or competing with them such as Iran. The fact of the matter is the reason Israel is hated by the people of the region so much has more to do with the past and present actions of the Zionists in the region than it has to do with Jewish antisemitism…The Arab Jews before the creation of Zionist Israel lived in the region for the most part quite peacefully…
You shouldn't care. You shouldn't do anything your keeper doesn't want you to do.
But history doesn't matter to you. You are stuck regurgitating an 86 year old letter,
But Native American accepted the US. It appears you have no right to exist.
So shallow Strahl, so shallow.
Let's take the threats one by one and see if they are paranoid or real. 1. The Iranian bomb- one would think given the reaction of the commentators that Mutually Assured Destruction is a reassuring term. Presumably the commentators are to the left of the Kennedy brothers, but why did RFK and JFK lose so much sleep during those famous thirteen days? Didn't they know that MAD assured that the nukes would never be used. I guess the Kennedy brothers were paranoid or Nazis or both. 2. The Iranian bomb- even if the bomb isn't used, its threat as a support for Hezbollah and Hamas is also a threat. And why should a country as heavily armed as Israel fear Hamas and Hezbollah. Well obviously reacting to Hezbollah and Hamas in 2006 and in 2008 and 2009 was not extremely successful, was it? 3. A binational state- the fact that there is no successful binational state of any ethnicity or religion might cause Zionists to pause, and furthermore the current militancy of Islam and Arabs should cause additional pause. So I would say this is real fear and not paranoia.
You don't have a clue.
RE: Benny Morris interview Your link does not appear to work unless it is pasted into the browser. (Anytime you edit your comment here, you must redo the link.) LINK – http://www.deiryassin.org/bennymorris.html
RE: "no successful binational state of any ethnicity" MY COMMENT: Switzerland? WIKIPEDIA – Switzerland is multilingual and has four national languages: German, French, Italian and Romansh
Israel interpreted an incident (perhaps opportunistically) that appeared to be a Hamas violation of the cease-fire. You didn't study the cease-fire very carefully to conclude that Hamas kept it stringently. For the first month and a half, it allowed (or did) shelling of Israeli civilians from Gaza. It mostly kept the cease-fire for a three month period, for which it deserves credit. From November 4 – November 16, the cease-fire broke. BOTH sides escalated in skirmishes. From November 16 – late December the cease-fire largely restored (not completely), indicating INTENT to. In late December, Hamas first allowed other militias to shell sovereign and civilian Israel, then did so themselves. 9 days went by without Israeli military response. Hamas escalated their shelling in that time, in a way INSISTING that Israel respond militarily. Israel took the bait. It theoretically could have remained patient, but in an odd twist of the Gandhian invocation "the purpose of civil disobedience is to evoke a response", Hamas evoked a response by violent disobedience, not civil. Its seen and condemned. They had other options, which the more mature among Hamas leadership advocated for, which is why their strategy was condemned. That they have now adopted unilaterally a cessation of shelling, indicates that they could have then similarly.
They should accept Israel's existence because they are there. There are 5.5 million Jewish civilians living in Israel currently. A democrat would VALUE that presence, as well as valuing the Palestinian presence and experience.
How can you write this:How can you write this: I like that early Zionists asserted themselves to form an initial state. It was a great assertion of community liberation. and then condemn only Palestinian "terror" — do you think the Zionists asserted themselves peacefully, that the Palestinian civilians weren't killed and terrorized , that they fled of their own accord, calmly and unharmed?
RE: "… there is no successful binational state of any ethnicity" FROM WIKIPEDIA: Switzerland is multilingual and has four national languages: German, French, Italian and Romansh.
"history doesn't matter to you…an 86 year old letter" History does matter. That's why I posted 86 year old writing. Accuracy also matters. The Iron Wall isn't a letter. It was published in 1923 (in Russian) as an article in "Rassvyet", a Jewish paper from Russia. It was also published in English in a South African paper in 1937. That Obama is meeting with the son of the man that was Jabotinsky's editor and secretary is rather historic in light of the above article and Israel's continued barbaric treatment of Palestinians in their inhumane captivity. I'll bet money that the name Jabotinsky won't be mentioned in the American press when Bibi comes to town. The Balfour Declaration. Now there's a letter. It even opens, "Dear Lord Rothschild."
"They should accept Israel's existence because they are there." Fair enough. When will Israel compensate Palestinians for 60+ years of the ravages of Zionism?
They pointed a rifle at my children. They intend to shoot. I shot first. Go whine elsewhere.
Saleema, Saleema, How long will you try to listen when you plug your ears with shit? The bullshit you speak of is a product of your own bigotry and racism.
Just as soon as the Palestinians compensate Israel for 60+ years of terrorism.
LD, that was one righteous rage! I agree with you.
The rabbis teach that successive generations of Jews have been forced to confront the Amalekites: Nebuchadnezzar, the Crusaders, Torquemada, Hitler and Stalin are all manifestations of Amalek’s malevolent spirit. Why doesn't Goldberg tell the truth? Amalekites are non-Jews. All of them. Me included. If an Amalekite gets in the way of any Jewish desire, rabbinical law is 'describe it as evil against the Jews and kill 'em'. As the 2nd C author of the Zohar , Rabbi Shimon bar Yohai, wrote: "The best of the Gentiles should be killed." A modern-day Rabbi will tell you 'Hey, we dont do that anymore', and then in the next breath will tell you that in matters of rabbinical law, the original teachings trump anything that he (the Rabbi) comes up with today. The original teachings rule. So what some guy wrote 2,500 years ago trumps today. Dealing with this shit is like dealing with unthinking Christians who cite a Bible reconstructed in the 20th C to say what the ruling pastor wants it to say, then claim 'It's the Word of God'.
It's effing paranoia.
Likely as soon as the rule of law is affirmed as the guiding principle of interactions, rather than political rhetoric. A prerequisite to that is acceptance of the other. It does take "I accept that you exist and desire to self-govern". "We do as well".
"Isolation from the norm", eh? what horror that must hold for mindless and conscienceless sheep like you.
Asserted themselves? That's what Witty calls the actions of the Zionists. Pounding civilians with mortars is "asserting yourself"? Stealing land is "asserting yourself"? And then turning on all your erstwhile allies, (the British, to start with, and then the UN) is "asserting yourself"? God save the Jews from such assertions on their behalf.
"But history doesn't matter to you. You are stuck regurgitating an 86 year old letter," Okay, Wolfie. Then stop vomiting the Holocaust and the Amaleks all over us. And stop taking our money and arms.
"Dealing with this shit is like dealing with unthinking Christians who cite a Bible reconstructed in the 20th C to say what the ruling pastor wants it to say, then claim 'It's the Word of God'." Zionism has ever been a concern of Christians. Or were the Jews powerful enough to do it all by themselves? Thank God Lord Balfour was Jewish! Thank God the UN was a Jewish organisation!
And yes, yes, yes, the present crop of ZIonists I have met resemble born-again Christians more, much more, than they resemble Jews.
Kill the Jews. Kill the Zionists. Global filth is the problem. Global Islam & Sharia is the answer.
"But Native American accepted the US. " Only after the US raped, robbed and slaughtered them until there were none left to fight European encroachment. But please, continue to use the invasion of America as your model for Zionism.
Self-defense is always terrorism to a narcissist.
"the rule of law" As Zionism is based on the idea of stealing land from the natives, the offending party has broken the rule of law from the get-go.
Zionists always use dishonest rhetoric. Witless is the best example on this blog of that. He refers to Israel taking back it's colonists in the OT as an "ethnic cleansing". He refers the the crude rocket attacks on Southern Israel that killed 15 people in 8 years until the Gaza massacre as "shelling". These people lie over and over again. The retards like Chris Barrel are less subtle though and can be spotted a mile away.
Israel did not keep to the cease-fire at all. At least Hamas made a huge effort relatively speaking to adhere to the terms. 1.5 million people were living in horrific conditions. Israel did not allow in sufficient humanitarian aide and was condemned before/during/after the truce for the blockade which has been going on for at least 18 months (or 2 years?) from what I've read. The effect of the rockets are being characterized as 'shelling' which evokes imagery of heavy destruction and mayhem. This is not the case. These rockets killed 15 people in 8 years. During this time Israel regularly killed Palestinian civilian in Gaza. Compare the deaths on both sides. Only you and your constituency would imply these rockets were more harmful than they were to even the playing field with the Palestinians. Doing so gives you leverage because of the inherent support of the Western body politic. The truth is that this cease-fire was working. The MFA report concedes this. There has been countless reports showing that Israeli planners were planning the attack in advance and using the same strategy it used against the PLO. I've had this discussion with you before and you have not ONCE, ever given proof that Israel was meeting it's end of the bargain. You have not once been able to comment on the humanitarian disaster in Gaza and why we should be putting so much pressure on the Palestinians in this truce and the aftermath given the horrendous living circumstances. You have also not weighed both sides. You focus on the rocket attacks but instead of objectively judging their impact you resort to narrative instead – "shelling," "murderous suicide belts," etc. You never responded to that article I posted which told of the internal meetings of Israeli planners. In said meeting, Barak stated bluntly that had Israel accepted the lull, the rockets would have stopped. Israel planned this attack. You cannot expect a group of people to starve to death without medicine and electricity without at least trying to fight back and make themselves heard. Instead you conveniently use Hamas's use of violence as a pretext to dismiss the legitimate grievances of the Palestinians which easily trounce those of the residents of Southern Israel. Not to mention that it is Israel which is the vastly more powerful entity and that lords over the Palestinians. You put the responsibility on the victims to justify your political agenda. You are a fucking Nazi.
"Zionists always use dishonest rhetoric." They have to. The assumptions of Zionism aren't honest to start with, therefore any conclusions that a Zionist makes based on those assumptions will naturally be dishonest.
Of course it is. But you don't have the correct question.
Of course it has. Perhaps you need to meet citizen's doctor. He can help you.
Are you implying that the palestinians are narcissists?
Strahl stated such. I was merely advising him as to his incorrect impression.