Ethan Bronner has the good news from the West Bank today. Freedom of movement, signs of economic life. As'ad AbuKhalil nails it as propaganda here. (Thanks Seham) Pamela had the story for us the other day, in the proper context.
Speaking of context, look at this map the Times ran with the story. a little vague, huh? You can hardly see the Green Line. Settlements, Jewish-only roads, wall are not shown.
Abu Khalil plastered Bronner yesterday as well, this time for being the voice of Israeli propaganda in the NYT on the Lebanon issue. Spot on, that As'ad.
There is no "Green Line" The Land of Israel is one land for all Jewish people and no lines will stop us from settling.
With our blood and our potatoes we redeem ourselves to you, o' Angry Arab!
No problem. Just give us back the trillions of dollars lavished on you, and don't expect anymore. And oh, BTW, we're gonna rescind all our MOUs with you, including our oil and jet fuel guarantees, our suspension of patent law just for you, etc; and from now on you don't get to deal directly with any US company. We don't wanna mar one inch of your pure land with any goy lucre. No Green Line= No Greenback. One more thing, don't be looking for a US veto at the UN in futuro. Best wishes in reaching adulthood, Israel.
Finally a straight talking Zionist. Refreshingly direct and honest. Good luck with that 'settling' stuff. Just remember what the Jewish carpenter said: 'Do unto others as you would have done to you'.
Mate? Are you from the UK and bitter because we defeated you and drove you out of our homeland? Sounds like it. hey guess what STOP THE OCCUPATION OF THE FALKLANDS.
I'd be happy to return your "coupons" that force us to buy American made weapons and stall our own weapons programs. Who needs your junk charity if all we get is Obama and Carter and Bush! Don't deal with a US company? Ok don't use your cellphone, your computer processor, or your medication, (All Israeli companies) We don't want your greenback or your greenline. Thanks!
Disco music. Israelis The world is full of unpleasantries. Israel's funniest home videos: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/20...
"The proper context"? The article was a statement of appreciation for Fatah. Actually enforcing law, conducting regular court sessions. What are you thinking these days? You have grown drunk.
As usual, Witty is the one whose drunk. (Actually, it would be nice if we could blame his willful ignorance on alcohol rather than astonishing arrogance and reflex racism. ) "The occupation continued" after Oslo, a seasoned Israeli commentator observed, "albeit by remote control, and with the consent of the Palestinian people, represented by their `sole representative,' the PLO." And again: "It goes without saying that `cooperation' based on the current power relationship is no more than permanent Israeli domination in disguise, and that Palestinian self-rule is merely a euphemism for Bantustanization." (Meron Benvenisti, Intimate Enemies) Fatah is now in the business of policing on behalf of israel…NOT on behalf of the Palestinian people—precisely the oppression by "remote control" Bevenisti speaks of.
Except that the result of their actions is freedom of movement and removal of roadblocks, while the results of Hamas attempted massacres is Israeli massacre. The rule of law is so far superior to revolutionary status, as to be undeniable. You don't see that? Your supporters don't see that? Again and again, I would LOVE to hear a word of any critical inquiry of Walt or Mearsheimer or Finkelstein. Frankly, you sound more religious to me than my lubavitch son.
I saw all the hope I needed in that photo of a father begging to let his son see the inside of a movie theater for which he could not afford tickets. Johnny Depp's visage made it all the more hopeful.
Sure you mean the false prophet Jesus? He's dead and didn't make much of a difference actually he just reused an old quote that shouldnt be attributed to him
I have reported this posting as anti-semetic to be removed.
A few years ago, the L.A. Times changed their map and put Jerusalem entirely within a border of Israel. After a couple of months worth of complaints that pointed out their propaganda attempts conficted with International and official U.S. policy towards the status of Jerusalem, they went back to using their map showing Jerusalem divided by the borderline.
"There is no "Green Line" " Not anymore, becasue Israel has expanded outside of it.
Maube someone should report your postings nd vile racist and inflamatory.
I don't doubt that blacks who played the role of Uncle Tom probably did better under Jim Crow than those who couldn't suppress their anger. And I'm sure there were whites in those days just like you, Witty, who'd point to them and say "See how much more pleasant it is for those who know their place?" And it's not that I support Palestinian terrorism either, but I grew up around whites who thought they were liberal because they didn't use the "n" word–whites who were constantly on the lookout for examples that would support their belief that if blacks were suffering, it was really all their own fault. And yes, you sound just like them. And rule of law? Are you sure about that? Are you trying to say that the Palestinian Authority doesn't suppress dissent? But maybe that's a good thing to you–suppressing Palestinians who might get too uppity even in a peaceful way.
RichardWitty, of course you can criticize some of the things M&W say, although I must admit I agree with most of their assessment of the Israel Lobby. Take for instance they have this strange messianic view of the US dealings in the Middle East, as if the US motives are a pure as the driven snow – it is quite ridiculous. As far as Finkelstein, although I agree with the majority of what he says he still stumps for a two state solution, which is a bit strained by what has been made the facts on the ground. A two state solution here, and in Israel, means two different things – we might think of a state as we conceive of it as self-determining, etc. Israel thinks it is a set of disconnected bantustans with no self-determination. Plus, st this juncture, there can only be one state equally recognizing both Palestinians and Israelis. So you see, there are issues that can be disagreed about with both M&S (whose book I read from cover to cover, as well as the notes), and Finkelstein. Now RichardW, let me mention one further issue, your statement about the "rule of law." Quite frankly, there is no rule of law, there is just the "law of rule." The rule of law was the next phase of the divine right of kings, when that would no longer wash. Suffice it to say you still have a group of elites (moneyed and ruling) who hide behind the words "rule of law," which is not more valid than the divine right of kings. There is no objective law, law in this sense is not like the laws of science, etc. Second, if there really was a rule of law, it would be applicable to all, no matter their station – and we all know that is not true, there is no rule of law. The "rule of law" is just another cruel joke that those "who know whats best for you" pull, and the people are the brunt of the joke.
This is the funniest comment ever here … so you are ungrateful! prove it sonny and pay it all back.
All those items you mention were reverse engineered from patented non-Israeli inventions. Funny, you sure have a slow way of showing you don't want our greenbacks. Have AIPAC tell our congress so; it will cut off the flow of greenbacks and use them here, avoiding printing of an equal number–this will help actual Americans in our current horrible economy. G-D forbid.
I agree both old and new testaments are myths. I believe your reference is: "Do not do onto others what you do not want done to you." The stress in the one is commission, and in the other is omission. Since one can do evil by acting as well as by not acting, together they form a pretty useful golden rule, no?
You mean you carried out terrorist attacks on the British?
The Falklanders' referendum asked the UK to remain. The Jews loved the UK until the UK tried to be responsible and also take the natives into consideration, which was in accord with the LN Mandate given to the UK.
As usual Witty divorces the larger Oppression context, both as to a few bones thrown to its Proxy Pal minions, and as to the fact that W & M & Finkelstein represent POVs totally ignored by the US congress and executive, and MSM & Hollywood for over a half century.
What does your lubavitch son and you think of this: Our House Divided By Stephen G. Bloom Jewish reaction to the Postville raids showed something most Jews already knew: There is a vast, irreconcilable divide within Judaism. Postville was a crucible. It demonstrated how greatly in opposition competing Jewish groups are today. Ultra-Orthodox Jews rushed to the defense of the Postville Lubavitchers. More liberal Jews, recognizing the atrocious actions of some of the Lubavitchers in Postville, sought to undo the wrongdoing committed in that bucolic Iowa town. Despite overwhelming evidence of misconduct in Postville, the Jewish community as a whole is still skittish about challenging the we-are-right, everyone-else-is-wrong mindset that prevails within ultra-Orthodoxy. In fact, if you disagree with certain elements of the ultra-Orthodox community, you’re dismissed as an antisemite or a self-loathing Jew. But that shouldn’t stop people of good will in our community from speaking up. Jews need to condemn all forms of injustice, exploitation and bias — particularly when the wrongdoers are fellow Jews. Stephen G. Bloom is a professor of journalism at the University of Iowa and the author of “Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America” (Harcourt, 2000).
So is your lubavitch son proud of Agriprocessors, Inc.?Are you? http://www.forward.com/articles/13930/
Actually, that is innaccurate. There is rule of law. In places where there is not law in place (equal due process), then your statement "law of rule" functions. But, that is not the case in Israel, and increasingly in West Bank Palestine. I don't know about Gaza. In the States, Canada, Europe, there is rule of law in most cases, affording equal rights primarily at an individual level. And, thats as it should. Equal individual rights is the appropriate scale that "justice" is described. National "justice" ends up as you say "law of rule". In Israel it takes reform to get the last mile on rule of law. In Palestine, it takes heavy lifting, and I THANK Fatah for undertaking that, for making it possible for there to be free movement between now the two largest Palestinian cities. Free peaceable assembly, free press, right of habeus corpus, etc. accompany that.
The reward for recognising Israel, stopping resistance to an occupation and allowing your occupier to continue building colonial outposts is to be oppressed less than usual? Oh Gee, how ungrateful the Palestinians are. You mention Rule of Law – I suppose arresting West-Bank based Hamas members (just for being Hamas members) is an example of this rule of law. That and the fact that Mahmoud Abbas is still President even though his term ended in March. Then there's the closure of Al-Jazeera's West Bank office for being 'biased' against Fatah – I suppose that's Freedom of Press. I'll leave you with a quote from a Palestinian Businessman: Netanyahu wants to concentrate on the economic situation – as if all Arabs become rich they will forget the political issue… that's wrong
So is your lubavitch son proud of Agriprocessors? http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/stephen...
Fatah is a proxy for Israel, same as the Shah was in Iran before the people kicked him out.
RichardW, it is not my intention to educate you in this forum, because education is a process at its base which is a form of an unwritten agreement – that there is a party willing to learn. No one meant to imply that there is not a "process," and quite frankly that there is plenty of "law" for you and I (but even that is destroyed by ones worth). Likewise, there is no equal application of the law even in the minutia of tort and daily practice – see the makeup of the inmates in the prison industrial complex for a reference (you have no leg to stand on here, I would be silent on this point unless you want to get summarily buried). Second, the concept of the "rule of law" in its definitive character applies to the process whereby the will of men, in the past nobility, who were to be kept from working their tyrannical will over the people. When you admit that "national" justice ends up as the "law of rule," you directly circumvent the primary meaning of the term "rule of law." Take the USA for instance, which was said to be established on the "rule of law" with the primary application to the ruling class – it is a complete joke. The representatives do not represent the people, they represent a moneyed elite. By whim these ruling bodies run contrary to the will of the people almost 100% of the time – that is because hey do not represent you, as I said previously. The executive may pell mell start wars which result in the deaths of thousands of individuals – habeas corpus gets suspended – due process (which is meant to be applied to HUMANITY by definition) gets bypassed (or fictitious tribunals are erected) – money is poured from the coffers of the people into the banking institutions that helped to create the current economic debacle – etc. THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW, as its primary application is deceitfully applied. I trust that clears the air about the so-called "rule of law," and if not, than my point about education comes into play. Put even more plainly – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Q3BVsIBzY What needs to be done on a global and local scale to stop this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Q3BVsIBzY I might lose you on the above link(s), but quite frankly, I do not give a damn.
Just for reference. In the map presented, the green line is OBVIOUS. Are you demonstrating the willing denial of your readers?
1) Not trillions. 2) How much is a barrel of oil today? 3) How many REAL TRILLIONS have you overpaid the PetroShieks in the last 20-30 years? When are you gonna get them back?
The outgrowth of this, in the application of the so-called "rule of law" in the occupied territories, or that matter for the Palestinians at all by Israel or its US mentor, is complete nonsense. If you want to see what application of the "rule of law" is for the Palestinians by the Israelis, look at Yesh Din – http://www.yesh-din.org/site/index.php?page=index... In fact, all of the Israeli institutions become a joke in the light of the occupation, not merely the legal aspect. It vitiates everything, not one institution is left standing – it makes everything illegitimate.
To make the reading more compact – ISRAEL'S MOCKERY OF JUSTICE http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-08_c... RULE OF LAW IN ISRAEL http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-08_c...