A highflown elegy for once-beloved Andrew Sullivan by Benjamin Kerstein at the New Ledger (never hoid of it):
Nearly a decade ago, Sullivan sent me an email in which he said that to him the defense of the Jewish people was the defense of humanity itself. A bit maudlin, perhaps, but an encouraging thing to hear in the midst of a very nasty terrorist war. Then, last year, Sullivan hit back at Jonah Goldberg for calling Barack Obama an elitist by saying that Goldberg’s own status as a member of a privileged, moneyed elite made him a hypocrite on the issue. It was an attack that was just vague enough, but I couldn’t help feeling it was Goldberg’s Judaism that Sullivan was talking about. We are taught from a young age to have little faith in the kindness of gentiles. This is often unfair, but over time one learns enough bitter lessons to admit that there is at least something to the idea. Unfortunately, I fear that for me this was one of them.
…In crossing the line between the sane and the mad you yourself once defended, you committed treason against all of us — left and right — who believe in that line, and try to defend it against those who, for the sake of their own fantasies of power and control, would erase it.
Note the dismissal of all goyim. I wonder what this Israeli-American Zionist’s evidence is for his bitter lessons. We are the most exalted ethnic group by any metric of wealth and access in the U.S. And good for us Jews, it’s the way the dial has turned in history. But I am sure that before long philosemitic Andrew Sullivan will join me in saying, These amazing times demand an interrogation of exceptionalist Jewish identity. Kerstein’s rap on the goyim is no different from the goyim rap on this blog last night. It is the Jewish belief that having suffered the greatest inhumanity in history (a superlative I don’t know that one should accept in light of Congo and Cambodia and the Roma), we are exempt from judgment by the goyim, who let that happen. So we set our own borders in historical Palestine, we ethnically cleanse, we demolish Palestinians’ houses, we deny their movements, we count on immunity delivered by the Israel lobby, (this is a spiritual cadence that comes from Yom Kippur prayers). This shows again what a taboo that Walt and Mearsheimer uncovered: they dared to criticize Jewish influence. And all the Jewish writers who said that there was no lobby? Well they were just lying to the goyim, which doesn’t count.
‘Never depend on the kindness of gentiles’
. . . said the Israeli as he unabashedly took $3 billion in goyim-funded tax dollars to ethnically cleanse Palestine. . .
It’s $15 billion a year in complete aid, not $3 billion. The $3 billion is only the cash part Israel gets at the end of January, not in installments, but in one chunk, with no ‘deliverable’ requirement as there is with the rest of our foreign aid.
And Israel now gets that money in Euros, not dollars, since late Bush years.
any proof? that sounds like a bit much.
Even pro-Palestinian websites say you are full of shit:
link to ifamericansknew.org
Yonira,
You can’t do a basic google search on your own? Proof? Sounds like a bit much? In fact, I understated it. Here ya’ go.
link to jewishvoiceforpeace.org
(from 2003)
SOURCES: Clyde R. Mark, Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, Congressional Research Service, updated April 1, 2003; Clyde R. Mark, Middle East: U.S. Foreign Assistance, FY 2001, FY 2002, FY 2003 Congressional Research Service, March 28, 2002
You can google for the rest. And dont forget to add in the $30 billion over 10 years that was added in either 2007 and 2008 for military spending, and the now almost $10 billion in oil from the Memorandum of Understanding in 2002, which nailed down the oil price at $3 billion in 2002 oil prices (since tripled).
Google: Memorandum of Understanding Jane’s Defense Oil Israel guarantee
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml
How old are you, yonira? 18? 19? You are so woefully unaware of shit that people on this board not only know but have long forgotten that the only palatable reason has to be you grew up yesterday. I feel like we’re constantly giving you modern history lessons gleaned from having been alive, sentient, and reading, when the shit happened.
Israel gets its appropriation, now $ 3bn, in cash in October, according to the annual legislation, and it is still in dollars. There was a story a couple of years ago that Israel’s FM Tzipi Livni had requested it to be in Euros and that Condi Rice said, in so many words, ‘however you want, Tzipi, you got it,’ but it apparently only satire designed to demonstrate the US subservience to Israel.
The MOU between Israel and the US on 9/1/75 guaranteeing Israel its normal supply oil come hell or high water, to compensate it for having to return the wells from the occupied Sinai, plus a bevy of the US’s most advanced weaponry, is spelled out in even greater detail here. Working for the (LOL) American side was Henry the K, and it shows it:
link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
P.S Defense Secretary James Schlesinger put his foot down, that’s in a day that it was still possible, and said no the Pershing missiles and Israel never got them (at least as a result of this MOU AKA IOU signed by Uncle Sugar)
Jeffrey,
I thought it got the blessing in the fall, laughingly referred to as budget approval, and the cash in January. I didn’t know that about the euro/dollar thing. Case of me grabbing the top cookie as I run past the plate, if you catch my drift.
I tell you what Phil, I will stand behind you in line to trust the Israelis…hehe This has nothing to do with the paradigm of our relationship to gentiles, it has to do with ugly colonialism. Have you stopped making a distinction between the Jewish people and Zionists? People can try to bring in this back to the old antisemitism as much as they like, does not have a thing to do with it (at least in my mind), I put this on the par with using the Holocaust to excuse daily atrocities.
I do not trust a Jewish elite just like I do not trust a gentile elite, I have said so before. In fact, I do not trust any system which allows for an inordinate influence of any elite as the centerpiece of its mode of operation.
In the context of your link (“Kerstein’s rap on the goyim is no different from the goyim rap on this blog last night.”), you want anyone to trust the 10 month bullshit? Gimme a break. I trust the Israelis like I would Madoff.
This is not saying that some may use the anti-Zionist position to sneak in some antisemitism, it just does not dismiss the distinction between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. When you bring the tag “Jew – Gentile” into the equation, you broaden the implications.
They don’t have to depend on anything…they have manipulated the system of the world in such a way that it will surely bring about the hate they supposidly are worried about, however since the fallout of the worlds economy is directly linked to the christain and other elite zionist (the same ones that wacked JFK and then blamed the italians again (like jesus episode) and have left the public dumbed down as usual.
I hand it to them hook line and sinker ! They are able to do what they have cause they have manipulated so many avenues of the “so called ” democracy that it has once again put them at risk of further being so hated …it is scary!
They may hold the world hostage and have morally and economically bankrupted the usa with intent, now they are working on China. They will succeed, it is impossible not to with the facts of reality, but at the same time it will cost them so dearly, there will soon be no one left to bankrupt or corrupt further leaving them in the open plains for the world to bring them to justice along with the supporters. It will not be the global warming or the equator shift that will end the civilizations it is the dispicable attitudes
of the zionist which have done this to the world. They are involved in one way or another in the core of corruption, the evidence is there for the world to witness and see. Does anyone have any idea why they do not become human beings instead of the scourge of the world??
There is no denying to the fact that Jewish Talmud does insult Jesus, his mother Mary and hatred towards Christians and the Gentiles at large. But then the New Testament, too, carry hatred towards the Jews and blame them for the murder of Jesus. Contrary to those two divine views – Islam provides a bridge between the Jews and Christians by telling them that all three of them have a common Abrahamic link and that Jews did not murder Jesus, who was taken to Heaven and would return to die a natural death as being a mortal.
Maidhc Ó Cathail believes that BDS campaign must target Scofield Bible which has bestowed “the chosenness” on the Jews:
link to onlinejournal.com
Scofield teaches the Protestants that Jews are God’s ‘chosen people’ and that their occupation of the ’Holy Land (Palestine)’ – was a Biblical prophecy. Under the ‘choseness’ – these people have been given God-given rights to insult Christian and Muslim sacred personalites and their divine scriptures, under ‘freedom of speech’, but if some Christian or Muslim dare to question the Zionists’ occupation of a Arab land or the numbers of Jews died under Nazi rule (which was served as collaborators, both by German Jews and Zionists) – He is liable for three-year jail sentence and heavy fines – for being ‘anti-Semite’ (though there are more Semites among the Arabs than the Jews) or a ‘Jew-hater’…….
How the West got overpowered
link to rehmat1.wordpress.com
Jews don’t believe that Yahweh impregnates virgins from afar, nor that anyone, however holy and morally upright can be designated Allah’s Stenographer. So far, so good. But now the Jews believe they can parley this doctrinal purity into their own nation-state on a European model. Ain’t gwine work. Wrong from the start.
Neither do Muslims.
link to straightdope.com
Here’s the real story about the Scofield Bible on a site of a former Evangelical Zionist who now debunks and goes after Christian Zionists, like Hagee. This is the guy who researched the Scofield Bible during the 90s and, as a result of his findings, left that church (whatever). He remains a deeply committed Christian, however. It’s 45 minutes long and an amateur production, but really interesting.
link to whtt.org
On this guy’s website link to
you can find it at the left, as well, on a tab called Christian-Zionist roots.
Not just “taught from a young age to have little faith in the kindness of gentiles,” but it seems to do everything in their power to throw that kindness back in gentiles’ faces:
In defence of Larry David by Gilad Atzmon
link to gilad.co.uk
Lets just say I have a healthy distrust for religion America First, and that means every type. Religion can be found as a major contributing factor to almost every major atrocity on the human race. I mean, look at the religious pretensions regarding Israel.
The things which are happening in the American Jewish religion pretty much mirror what’s going on with other American religions. Only the Jews, instead of having malitia-run vacation Bible vamps, have Israel and the settlements, and the occupation. Isn’t that just marvy!
A while back at Georgetown there was a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath called Poison Or Cure? Religious Beliefs In The Modern World. They both waxed eloquent, Hitchens finding the animus in religion and McGrath finding it in human nature.
Through the entire debate we heard every conceivable ill regard inf religion and from Hitchens and the equal from the nature of man according to McGrath. In all of this we did not hear one peep from either of them in regard to the elite use of religion. That is, how “leaders” use religion as a divisive methodology to create unrest and at its worse war.
I wonder why neither bothered to bring out this element? Perhaps it is because both of these men are staunch supporters of the status quo, or the idea of the predominance of the nation-state and its mode of operation – this is the only reason I can see for the absence of how elites use religion. In every which way they will twist it in order to manipulate the people – whether it be to silence the people “because the powers that be are ordained by god’ so they may be exploited or to bring them to a fever pitch to kill the enemies of whatever deity as they interpret the deity’s will. It is the lack of knowledge regarding this use of religion which is at the foundation of the peoples undoing (and gender, ethnicity, race, creed, whatever divides humanity to make them powerless and pliable).
“inhumanity in history (a superlative I don’t know that one should accept in light of Congo and Cambodia and the Roma),”
I have always maintained there is plenty of inhumanity to go around. Only an idiot would claim his ethnic group has been subjected to the greates inhumanity . First of all, why even try and invalidate anybody else’s suffering of inhumanity? It feels the same to everybody. And second, why point yourself out as the weakest victim, the one who anybody can beat?
Holy shit, it’ll take Judaism a century to recover from the damage done by Zionists. I’m not sure it can.
Those who can trust no one can be trusted by no one, I suppose. What a self-imposed exile!
Sure, being the victim of brutality can lead to a self-imposed exile, that’s one thing, I’ve seen that, and I’ve seen only a little.
But to suffer that brutality and impose that exile vicariously, for the sake of those who have, sorry, no. Honor them, yes, care for them, yes, make allowances for them, yes, but become them, No! To become a weeny imitation of a brutalised person as an excuse to be a bully is unmanly.
Like she said “You know, I don’t think that was good for anybody!”
BTW, can anybody here do a really thick Southern-Jewish-Drag Queen dialect?
I’m working on the line “I have always depended on the kindness of Gentiles” and I want to get it pitch-perfect.
So good it’ll shatter a glass menagerie.
Oh never mind, I see it’s Andrew Sullivan. I’ll never beat him in a drag race, that’s for sure.
While we’re on the subject of borrowing from American cinema (albeit borrowed from British musical theatre), I find it always helps keep me somewhat calmer (yeah, not much, it’s not my forte), when reading Witty’s posts, to imagine him as Frank N. Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show, strutting around and belting out, “You better wise up, Philip Weiss!”
Welcome back, Moose.
I wonder how Mr. Kerstein would feel if someone were to suggest that it would be appropriate for African Americans to say that they should never rely on the kindness of Jews because some Jews were slave traders.
Time to look at the USA’s place in the world:
link to people-press.org
You gotta admit that zionism has allowed any open-minded philo-semites (jewish or gentile) to really understand (if they choose to) that the test of virtue is power. Too bad
hasbara still claims victimhood even as it slays–of course Bernays cum Goebbels would
know this, as would Goering and Hitler himself.