expose it to justifiable charges of hypocrisy with respect to the religious politics of Israel/Palestine?
Jim Crow conditions through most of the land. A separate roadway system for Jews and Palestinians. Checkpoints that feel like cattle stations. 10,000 political prisoners, including many children. An onslaught that killed 430 women and children. A blockade that is imposing Warsaw Ghetto conditions on 1.5 million people.
And all of it supported by the leadership of the American Jewish community.
Oh but that’s not a story. Let’s focus on child abuse by priests. The beam in your own eye.
The criminal complaint from Minnesota said that the 14-year-old girl, whose name is redacted, was praying after school at Blessed Sacrament Church in Greenbush, Minn., when Father Jeyapaul told her to come into the rectory. The girl claimed that when she refused to touch his genitals, he told her it was a sin and said he “could make her life miserable.” She said he then pushed her down onto a couch, touched her breasts and pulled down his pants.
Oh the horror!
“The girl claimed that when she refused to touch his genitals, he told her it was a sin…”
That line didn’t even work for me when I was 14. But those priests! Cossacks in cassocks, I tell you!
“Cossacks in cassocks, I tell you!”
Mooser, you truly have “a way with words. “
RE: Mooser, you truly have “a way with words. “ – Don
MY COMMENT: But alas, he professes not to have had “a way with the lasses”. If he is to be believed, that is.
P.S. I do not in any way mean to make light of the very disturbing revelations. It is absurd in this day and age to deny priests the opportunity to marry and have families.
When the author of the web site writes hyperbole rather than journalism.
Jim Crow conditions through most of the land. A separate roadway system for Jews and Palestinians. Checkpoints that feel like cattle stations. 10,000 political prisoners, including many children. An onslaught that killed 430 women and children. A blockade that is imposing Warsaw Ghetto conditions on 1.5 million people.
It may be time to stop participating in this web site.
Are you saying that all those things Phil mentioned and his characterization of them are mere “hyperbole”?
“A separate roadway system for Jews and Palestinians.”
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The way it really is.
“Checkpoints that feel like cattle stations”
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Much worse! Cattle do not wait long hours to pass.
“10,000 political prisoners, including many children”
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A conservative estimate..Not to mention that children are beaten and abused.
“An onslaught that killed 430 women and children.”
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I can’t believe you’d deny this..It’s well documented , you know!
“A blockade that is imposing Warsaw Ghetto conditions on 1.5 million people.”
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It doesn’t have to compare . It’s bad enough and it’s a giant open air prison.
“It may be time to stop participating in this web site. ”
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That would be a good thing but you won’t…You know you won’t..It’s a dirty job but someone has to do it. You’re not going to let Mondoweiss get away with telling the truth do you?
Why, WJ? You can’t face the truth? Which of those statements is not entirely true?
I agree. As bad as Jim Crow was, it is silly to compare Jim Crow condititions to what Israel imposes on the Palestinians. There were no separate roads in the Jim Crow South, and to be honest, most whites in the Jim Crow South were as poor uneducated and powerless as most blacks. Separate but unequal in a poor vassal region isn’t quite the same as being on the receiving end of modern warfare with the massive economic, media and political backing of superpower.
No, not all the things. Jim Crow through most of the land. The reference to separate roads without specifying in occupied territory. And as much as the siege of Gaza is terrible it is nowhere near the conditions of the Warsaw Ghetto. Those are not mere hyperbole they are very hyperbolic.
Agreed that the Warsaw Ghetto comparison is hyperbolic. Jim Crow throughout the land–well, the West Bank is worse than Jim Crow and maybe Israeli Arab citizens are better off, but then again, maybe you don’t know how they see it. It might average out to Jim Crow.
As for not participating, good luck finding that ideal website which tells just the exact truth about Israeli crimes with no whitewashing on the one hand and no hyperbole on the other. Maybe Lawrence of Cyberia or JSF or The Magnes Zionist or you could read various human rights reports.
Averaging out is not journalism, it is hyperbole. Headline hyperbole is expected or at least accepted. This type of hyperbole? I don’t think so.
So you’re upset that he understated the severity of what goes on in the West Bank? No, you’re not. You’re upset that he overstated the severity of the discrimination in Israel itself. So it’s not the entire process of averaging that bothers you–just the part that makes Israel seem worse than it is, not the part that makes it seem better than it is. So I’m not overly sympathetic to your feelings on the Jim Crow thing. I am tired of Nazi comparisons–people on both sides use them and if I were dictator I’d put a stop to all of it.
Also, on what is “journalism”–much of what Phil does is editorializing, where people can use hyperbole. I’m not crazy about it myself, though again, it’s the Warsaw Ghetto comparison I object to.
Donald- I appreciate your level tone. I would point to Avi’s outlandish tone (later on) and the encouragement he has just received from Phil. I don’t know if I would have reacted so strongly if there had just been the Jim Crow reference.
This Warsaw Ghetto comparison has become standard at this blog–it might be at some other places as well. Numbers matter, I think, so people should stop it. Yonira provided a useful link recently (I don’t praise Yonira very often), which I’ll put at the bottom, since my links sometimes malfunction. The point of it was that the Warsaw Ghetto had 400,000 residents. 100,000 had already died of disease or starvation before the deliberate killing started and most were dead at the end. So, no, Gaza isn’t in that league. One can perfectly well condemn Israel for its real crimes without exaggerating them and in fact exaggeration only hurts the cause. If Phil wants to enter the mainstream conversation, all anyone needs to do to make him look like a wild-eyed exaggerator is to ask whether he really thinks Gaza was as bad as the Warsaw Ghetto. They then recite comparative death tolls and Phil has to stand there and say why it’s legit to compare hundreds of thousands of deaths to one thousand deaths.
The point should be to discuss the brutality of Israel’s behavior towards Gaza, not to use Nazi analogies that are so extreme they discredit the people making them. But on emotional human rights issues many seem to get real attached to these overstated Nazi comparisons–it’s why most of the blogosphere talks about “Godwin’s law” and it’s standard practice to ridicule anyone who starts making Hitler comparisons.
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Tough break Donald, you don’t get to decide who should stop what. Regarding the comparison, I don’t see how it makes any difference to those who lost their lives or lost loved ones whether more than 6,500 Palestinian were murdered by the IOF over the last ten years or whether 3 million Jews were murdered by the highly efficient Nazis over the period of 3 years? It’s merely a matter of efficiency.
By the way, I am quite familiar with the arrogance of people who think they have a monopoly on victimhood and suffering and it is disgusting; that includes you Donald and WJ.
The siege on Gaza – - going on 3 years now – - is similar in its objectives to the Warsaw Ghetto. There is NO denying that.
And Wondering Zionist who thinks I got my encouragement from Phil should get a clue. I was making that comparison back in January 2009 already when I saw what was happening in Gaza.
You on the other hand, can keep your head in the sand safely tucked between your legs.
What’s the exaggeration that you allege? Is it the numbers? No one is comparing the numbers. That is a strawman argument on your part, Donald. You’re a hypocrite, that much is clear.
What of that “cause” you’re talking about? What is THE CAUSE? You sound like BSDNOW who keeps talking about “our cause” pretending to care about human rights abuses.
WJ, You do speak Hebrew, right? Well then Tikfotz -Li, OK?
Once when I called you an idiot, you whined like a child about personal attacks. Fine, so now I post nothing but facts, and you whine about my tone. Talk about reaching. I’ll tell you what, take YOUR tone and shove it up your Zionist ass. How’s that for tone?
As for the comparison, of course you’re clueless. You’re clueless because you don’t even know what is happening right under you knows where you allegedly live in West Jerusalem. So how can anyone expect you to have a clue regarding Gaza. You’re the type of Tzavu’a who lives in Dick Witty in a gated community and pretends all is well south of the train tracks.
Where is there a single fact in there?
You know, I’m not going to EDUCATE an ignoramus on such basic things as the forces of gravity and the changing seasons. You should know these facts by now, and if you DON’T, then you have a memory problem. If it’s not a memory problem you have, you are certainly enjoying jerking everyone’s chain around. Get a hobby.
The siege on Gaza – – going on 3 years now – – is similar in its objectives to the Warsaw Ghetto. There is NO denying that.
Gaza Birthrate: 36.93 births/1,000 population (2009 est.)
Gaza Deathrate: 3.44 deaths/1,000 population (July 2009 est.)
(Rank 214 in deathrate per 1,000 population)
In August the death rate in the ghetto in Warsaw reaches a height – 5,560 people die.
For more information on the Warsaw Ghetto:
link to getto.pl
Avi,
I’m sure everyone is impressed by your ability to curse people out in more than one language. But versatility might impress people as well. Why not try discussing something with anyone who disagrees with you without the internet equivalent of screaming. I bet you can if you really tried. I think you are under the impression that if you control your temper it shows that you are a hypocrite. But in fact, this is untrue.
Tough break Donald, you don’t get to decide who should stop what. Regarding the comparison, I don’t see how it makes any difference to those who lost their lives or lost loved ones whether more than 6,500 Palestinian were murdered by the IOF over the last ten years or whether 3 million Jews were murdered by the highly efficient Nazis over the period of 3 years? It’s merely a matter of efficiency.
wow, you are one sick dude……… now its a matter of efficiency….. Israel has bunker busters, JDAMs and nuclear weapons, don’t give me that bullshit, do you know how idiotic you sound? Oh the Israelis just aren’t as efficient as the Nazis you really don’t get how sick that is?
So you’re saying there were no birth’s in the Warsaw Ghetto?
That’s amazing. Any other desperate and pathetic attempts at turning reality up on its head?
I love how you gloss over my argument and go straight for the birth rates, its like the # 1 tactic on here.
How bout these Avi, show me the comparisons:
Mid-October – bank accounts, deposits and saving accounts of Jews blocked, with a weekly limit of 250 złoty to be withdrawn, and a ban on possession of cash to a sum of more than 2,000 złoty.
setting up of the General Gouvernement; decree banning ritual slaughter of animals, introduction of compulsory labour for Poles aged 18-60 and compulsory labour for Jews aged from 14 (later aged 12 and over) to 60.
In July all political, voluntary, charitable and educational organisations were dissolved in the GG. Polish organisations were absorbed by the RGO, Jewish charitable organisations and institutions – through the central ŻSS in Kraków
14 VIII – the first transport of 1,666 Poles leaves Warsaw for Auschwitz.
6 X – a change in the curfew to 23.00. Jews were forbidden to leave their houses from 19.00 do 8.00 a.m.
15 III – in the territory of the GG a decree comes into force (issued by Frank on 20 February), forbidding Jews to use the railways, trams, taxis or cabs, without a special pass for each journey.
25-28 XII – Auerswald’s decree that Jews should hand over by 28 December all their furs and winter coats, wraps and fur collars, those who are late face the death penalty (finally furs, sheepskins and fur collars were requisitioned in the ghetto to a total value of 50 million złoty).
The Nazis used to listen to classical music while they used non-Aryans for target practice. They too thought they were “more civilized” because they listened to Wagner.
Spare me your pathetic self-righteous indignation. I have heard it all.
What exactly is the problem here, yonira?
Is the difference here that Gazans use Shekels, Dinars and Euros instead of Zlotys? That’s what bother you?
What you posted is happening and has happened in Gaza in one form of another.
Does the property destruction not count? More than 20,000 homes were destroyed by Israel in 22 days last year.
The vast majority of Gazans are refugees from 1948, from places like Jaffa, Ashkelon and Haifa. The 1.5 million people living in Gaza certainly had millions of dollars worth of property lost to that ethnic cleansing.
As for your birthrate remark, don’t play dumb. You and your ilk keep pretending that just because the net population growth shows an upward trend that there is no ethnic cleansing going on. You’d be screaming the roof off if someone made that same allegation regarding the holocaust.
So you are saying over 6 million Jews were BORN during the Holocaust? I am screaming off the roof because your analogy is bogus.
The facts are more Jews died in the Warsaw Ghetto in one month than have died in the last 10 years by the IDF. The truth is more Jews died during the Holocaust than there are Palestinians living on earth today.
So please don’t try that bullshit, its transparent with a splash of brown……
Is this degree of obtuseness geometrically possible?
The definition of ethnic cleansing is clearly spelled out by the United Nations. Look it up and you might learn how to research non-hasbara websites. If international law and international treaties mean nothing to you, then we have nothing to discuss.
Let me know when you decide to be serious.
Phil wrote “A blockade that is imposing Warsaw Ghetto conditions on 1.5 million people.” Oh dear! Phil forgot to say what epoch of the Warsaw Ghetto he was talking about. From context, probably not the epoch AFTER the Nazis destroyed the whole place. Maybe, then, BEFORE that, but after the Ghetto was surrounded and everyone was cut off?
Comparisons can never (that is NEVER) be exact. Indeed, words can never have precise meanings. I know, generally, whqat “chair” means, but I’ve seen some real doozies in the world of ?? Bauhaus, ArtDeco, whatever it is or they are ?? that really test the “chair: I know one when I see one” theory. well, that’s how it is with words. Anyone who wants qa paragraph where a word will do is just trying to shut down a conversation. (And the paragraph wouldn’t work either.)
If “Nazi”, “Zionist”, “Warsaw Ghetto”, “Sabra and Shatilla”, “Holocaust”, “Gaza” are ever to have utility as summary terms (and, indeed, as terms at all, leaving aside the use of “Gaza” as a purely geographical term and “Nazi” as a term for a particular party membership), then the people who use these terms and the people who read them must allow a little slack.
Some facts for you Yonira:
“60 percent of Gaza children suffer malnutrition and anemia”
MP Jamal Al-Khudari, the head of the popular committee against the siege, stated Sunday that about 60 percent of Gaza children suffer from malnutrition and anemia and 35 percent of the blockade victims are children.
He affirmed that the last Israeli war increased their suffering, where hundreds
of them were killed, wounded or disabled, pointing at the same time to the suffering of dozens of Palestinian children in Israeli jails. ”
link to windowintopalestine.blogspot.com
See, this is why having yonira around is so useful. His antics expose Zionism for the morally and intellectually corrupt, utterly racist, mythologized truly evil perversion that it is.
What better example could we have than his complete disregard for the existence and fate of children in Gaza. “Oh! They’re not Jews so their suffering can’t possibly count!”
Go ahead, you nasty piece of work. Mock them again for painting a donkey with stripes because your people slaughtered any living example when they decided to pull back and resort to blitzkrieg tactics.
“By the way, I am quite familiar with the arrogance of people who think they have a monopoly on victimhood and suffering and it is disgusting; that includes you Donald and WJ. ”
Oh, my. I don’t have Avi’s approval. Well, one must carry on somehow.
Your whole post is a non sequitur. If it’s legit to point out that Israel kills far more Palestinians than vice versa, it’s also legit to point out that the Nazis killed far more Jews and Gentiles than the Israelis. Or do you only use arithmetic when it suits your argument?
As for my “monopoly on suffering”– if it makes you feel better, I come from a long line of oppressors–ethnically speaking, you’d have to go back centuries to find somebody somewhere in my family tree who was being oppressed because of his or her ethnicity or religion. I like to think I have a monopoly on villainy, frankly.
This is why we need a little bit of variety in the commenters here. You get this hothouse environment where someone goes into hysterics because a fellow non-Zionist says that the Israeli crimes are not the equivalent of the Nazis. Well, they’re not and sticking to the truth without silly exaggerations is going to have more influence on people.
The conditions in the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza are not Jim Crow conditions, I agree; they are far worse. Within the Green Line, the conditions can be described as latent Jim Crow where euphemisms and political correctness are used systematically to cloak institutionalized discrimination and harassment of Israel’s 20% Palestinian minority.
No? Which parts exactly are NOT the same as the Warsaw Ghetto? The wholesale slaughter? The starvation? The collective punishment? Perhaps it’s the deliberate destruction of Palestinian infrastructure, factories and businesses? No? Well then, how about refusing people, the elderly, the sick, the disabled, and children to seek medical treatment? How about starving an entire population into starvation? What about the separation wall? The siege? Well, if that’s not as bad, then what about the DELIBERATE targeting of unarmed civilians who dare work and plow their own fields more than 500 meters (about 1/3 mile) from IOF guard towers?
What exactly makes the Warsaw Ghetto worse (in this narrative gone-propaganda) than Dante’s Inferno that NOTHING else in the entire recorded history of the human f**** race can ever be compared to it?
You have a very good point, Phil. I don’t have any problem with the coverage of the catholic Church per se’. I am Catholic; I love the Church and really hate what is going on (the abuses and cover up, not the news coverage).
But you are quite correct about the hypocrisy. But the dike springs more leaks every day. Only a matter of time before the Israel/Palestine issue is discussed openly here. And the sooner it happens, the better it will be for everyone, including Jews.
Phil,
what on earth are you blathering about in this post? My God…..
The Warsaw Ghetto comparison is nonsense, but that’s been played out on here enough, its not even worth arguing about.
Planet earth is actually a flat slab, isn’t it?
Now Phil is blathering? Nice.
You know, I’m sure if you and your partner in crime, wondering zionist, left this website forever, NOT one person would care. Go ahead. Do us all a favor. It’d be like removing the noise generated by summer crickets from one’s otherwise pleasant evenings.
You are a piece of work Avi. Have you proven you wrong on here one too many times, weren’t you the peon who wanted to start a ‘petition’ to have me banned. I will refute your lies every opportunity I get.
Read your post again, sugar booger. You’re contradicting yourself AND validating my point. The cognitive dissonance you exhibit could power Los Angeles for 13 months straight.
yeah Avi, what exactly are you saying? I can just imagine you right now sitting in front of your computer having a little conniption, close to tears, because you know you are wrong.
I don’t get the mentality of digging yourself deeper, but you are a pro at it. Why don’t you get some rest before you have a coronary, or you drown in the bullshit that is coming out of all of your orifices.
Oh stop Yonira, you’ve never proven Avi wrong on anything here.
In fact your arguments get torn to pieces here consistently, yet you keep repeating them in the vain attempt that somehow repetition will make them true.
Unlike you Avi actually lived in Israel and knows what he is talking about.
Cry me river, if you can’t tolerate the fact that people are going to be highly critical of a colonial apartheid state founded on the ethnic cleansing of 90% of the indigenous population.
Oh Avi lived in Israel so he knows everything, that argument is bunk. Did he also live in Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto?
I am all for being critical of Israel, but making up lies to further his cause isn’t going to fly.
Actually your the only one who relies on lies to advance their arguments.
Virtually all your major arguments are prefaced on a lie, lies which are debunked everyday here.
So please continue posting your inane bullshit, we are more than happy to continue debunking it for ya =P
No. But I’m familiar with the talking points and the derivative narratives often advanced by propagandists like you. Sweetie, it’s really not that complicated. Besides, Phil hasn’t lived in Gaza, have YOU? It’s interesting that Congress members who go to Gaza, return to the US and become active in lifting the siege or dedicate their entire life’s work for human rights while people like Abe Foxman, Dershowitz and YOU, who have it so easy and who have NEVER been or lived in Gaza, continue to defend such crimes. Something is wrong here. Don’ you think?
All the leaders in Europe and around the world who make the comparison between Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto haven’t lived in either place. Are they wrong?
Why is it that YOU know better than them? You certainly haven’t exhibited any form of critical or analytical thinking that would warrant taking you seriously, let alone a reasonable level of honesty.
James Bradley- The argument between Avi and yonira is whether the comparison between the siege on Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto is an apt one or not. If this comparison had been offered in the first place by Avi I would suggest leaving it alone. He is a rabid dog who is serving a good cause and therefore his rabies are holy and must be praised. But in this case the comparison was made by Phil Weiss, who aspires to be part of the conversation based upon his entree in the real world of journalism. As such the comparison should be swatted down quickly and dismissed as polemics, hyperbole and unworthy of anyone who aspires to be listened to. Avi of course jumped into the argument defending the comparison and but for the distance afforded the rest of us by the internet, he would have bitten and given rabies to any who would have tangled with him in his noble cause and his rabies. That you would step forward to defend him is noble in a way, but sad as well.
What is it with Zionists always being complete assholes and ganging up on people? Don’t you have some Palestinian deaths to go trivializing on some other blog, WJ?
Thank you chaos for adding your kind words. just what we were missing from this high toned discussion.
The high toned part being where you called another poster a rabid dog, huh?
By the way, would it kill you to view other human beings as human beings?
WJ, I know what Avi is referring to, and he made his point quite well. Calling him rabid is also quite ridiculous.
What the Israelis are doing to Gaza, resembles in many ways what the Nazis did in the Warsaw Ghetto. Here are just a few of the similarities.
1) The denial of basic food
2) The denial of adequate clothing
3) The denial of clean water and the destruction of water sanitation systems.
4) The denial of medical supplies to the point where Gazans were undergoing surgery without anesthesia.
5) The complete walling in and blockading of the entire territory from the outside world.
6) Nightly raids in which Gazans are kidnapped, tortured, and killed.
7) The denial of textbooks and other school materials.
8) The complete cutting off of official trade.
9) Making the entire Gaza strip entirely reliant on Israel for anything.
10) Surrounding the entire territory with a military presence and not allowing any Gazans to leave or enter.
11) Destroying vital infrastructure, and responding 100x in wrath to any resistance whatsoever.
12) Deliberately killing and wounding thousands.
Now granted there are differences.
1) For example, the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, unlike the Palestinians in Gaza, did not have a country that they could tunnel to for supplies to get around some aspects of the siege (although they did barter with greedy people on the outside).
2) Gazans have had 60 years adjusting themselves to Israeli terror. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto didn’t even have a decade to anticipate what was happening to them.
3) Thanks to the internet and the watchful eye of the international community, Israel cannot get away with a full scale bombardment of the Gaza strip and survive unscathed diplomatically. In fact this has been one of Israels dilemmas since the coming of the Internet.
4) Israel is in the Middle East, surrounded by people who greatly sympathize with the Palestinian people. Any massive plans to wipe out the Gazans in one fell swoop would trigger a tsunami of unpredictable outrage in the region and also force the United States (who relies on its Arab allies for most of its Middle East policy objectives) to reconsider the special relationship; something the Israelis cannot afford to mess with.
So in the end the comparison is apt. There may be a few deviations from the Warsaw Ghetto but the comparison is FAR from being far fetched. The only difference being that the people in Gaza have the fortune of being able to do things to circumvent the siege and in a sense benefit from Israels pariah status in the region.
Thus its time you stopped downplaying Palestinian suffering and acknowledge that Israel is committing crimes against humanity.
I know you hasbara artists think that by ducking the issue of Palestinian suffering and instead focusing on “syntax” is clever, but the issue remains – Palestinians are suffering under a siege of epic proportions that makes their lives miserable, and unfortunately this siege in many ways resembles the tactics imposed upon the people living in the Warsaw Ghetto.
James Brady- My rude references to Avi were only in response to his rudeness.
The people in Gaza are suffering. The people in the Warsaw ghetto suffered.
The link to the al Jazeera piece referenced by Donald on April 5th at 10:40 written by Mark LeVine of February 2, 2009, titled “Gaza is no Warsaw Ghetto” should suffice to demarcate differences between the two. A quarter of the ghetto’s population died from starvation and disease before the ghetto was liquidated. .4% of the Gaza strip’s population’s deaths can be ascribed to the siege.
Let me just add, that the Warsaw Ghetto crowded about 400,000 people into an area less than a square mile. This cannot compare to the crowding of Gaza with one and a half million in an area of 139 square miles.
Gaza has a border with another country- Egypt.
If you feel that the cause of the Palestinians is served by comparing Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto, then it is your right to make any comparisons that you want. But please when you compare two situations where the death rate is .4% compared to 25% and where the crowding is more than 400,000 people per square mile versus less than 11,000 people per square mile, don’t call these differences syntax or hasbara. Call the suffering inhuman and cruel. Compare it to the Warsaw Ghetto and you are inviting arguments and accusations of hyperbole.
Bravo Wondering Jew! I support your statement fully. We have to remain moral in our comparisons.
This is brain. This is your brain on Ziocaine.
Any questions?
Chaos, I’m sorry for calling Avi a dog, it’s an insult to other dogs. But seriously. He is a human being, a rabid human being. And you chaos, are so beautiful your deep human feelings stir me deeply.
I’d say I’d hope your kids marry a Gentile just to get back at you, but I can’t imagine anyone being so desperate as to have to procreate with you of all people.
Yes, I can see how a military going into a walled in ghetto and wantonly attacking the civilians trapped there has nothing to do with either Gaza or Warsaw. The Zionists hypocrites have it right, I’m sure. Totally unlike, say, this guy.
Phil Weiss- I hope you see that your rhetoric pleases Avi and chaos. congratulations.
That’s right, WJ, now turn and attack more Jews for being non-Zionist.
I noticed you didn’t have the bravery to confront the link in the post above this one, were you?
Well. Instead of all this acrimony, how about finding some common ground? All of us (Avi, yonira, wondering jew, Chaos4700, etc.) agree that the Gaza blockade is cruel and that the Israelis should lift it, and also that the Israelis should allow the refugee population of the Gaza Strip (that’s 70-80% of the people there) to return to their homes, which are in what’s now southern Israel, if they so wish. Right? This action by the state of Israel would even have the added benefit of vastly improving Israel’s security, for people who care only about that.
There really is no common ground with yonira and wondering jew. They do not care what happens to the Palestinians. Do a search for the article on the donkey that Gazans painted to look like a zebra, for instance, and see yonira’s comments about how stupid Gazan children must be, and how vastly superior Israelis are because look at how many Nobel prize winners they have! (A lot of Nazis one Nobel prizes too, of course.)
You should see what the conversations are like when they’re absent. They’re actually quite lively and invigorating.
In its day the Warsaw Ghetto attack was reported as a necessary war by Germany against armed Jewish terrorists. This proved a great model for the US media reporting on Israel’s necessary war against armed Palestinian terrorists in Gaza.