Ehud Barak threatens Lebanon with ‘Dahiya doctrine’ in case of new war

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak threatened Lebanon with the implementation of the “Dahiya doctrine” in the case of another war between Israel and Hezbollah in an interview with the Washington Post.  Israel and Hezbollah have engaged in a war of words as of late over a potential new conflict in Lebanon.

The “Dahiya doctrine,” which is illegal under international law, refers to the Israeli strategy of applying “disproportionate force” and causing “great damage and destruction” to civilian and governmental infrastructure during a conflict. In the 2006 Lebanon War, Israel “inflicted massive destruction on Dahiya,” a neighborhood in Beirut, according to the Goldstone report.

In response to Jerusalem bureau chief Janine Zacharia’s question about what Barak means when he says that “Israel will hold the government of Lebanon responsible for any Hezbollah provocation,” Barak said:

It means that unlike what happened in 2006 where under request from the administration, [Secretary of State] Condoleezza [Rice] called at the time [Prime Minister] Olmert and asked him not to touch the precious government of Siniora, and we didn’t. I think that they’re responsible for what happens and if it happens that Hezbollah will shoot into Tel Aviv, we will not run after each Hezbollah terrorist or launcher of some rocket in all Lebanon. We’ll see the government of Lebanon responsible for what happens, and for what happens within its government, its body politic, and its arsenal of munitions. And we will see it as a legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah. And somehow, we are not looking for it. I am not threatening. We are not interested in such a deterioration. But being surrounded by so many proxies that operate not just under immediate threat under them, but probably activated by other players for external reasons, we cannot accept this abnormality and I believe that no other sovereign would have accepted it.

The “Dahiya doctrine” was used during “Operation Cast Lead” in Gaza, as the Goldstone report documented, resulting in war crimes, including “the massive destruction of businesses, agricultural land, chicken farms and residential houses.” A direct consequence of this doctrine is a high death toll for civilians, as occurred during the Lebanon conflict and the Gaza conflict.

The Goldstone report had this to say about the legality of conflating military targets with civilian institutions:

The fundamental rule of international humanitarian law applicable to attacks against buildings and infrastructure is enshrined in article 52 of Additional Protocol I (“General Protection of civilian objects”). This provision is generally recognized as codifying customary law applicable to both international and non-international armed conflicts:

1. Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of reprisals. Civilian objects are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 2.

2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

3. In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used…

The Mission rejects the analysis of present and former senior Israeli officials that, because of the alleged nature of the Hamas government in Gaza, the distinction between civilian and military parts of the government infrastructure is no longer relevant in relation to Israel’s conflict with Hamas. This analysis is accompanied, in the statements of Col. Gabriel Siboni and Mr. Matti Steinberg, by an explicit argument that Israel should “put pressure” on Hamas by targeting civilian infrastructure to attain its war aims.

392. The Mission is of the view that this is a dangerous argument that should be vigorously rejected as incompatible with the cardinal principle of distinction. International humanitarian law prohibits attacks against targets that do not make an effective contribution to military action.  Attacks that are not directed against military (or dual use) objectives are violations of the laws of war, no matter how promising the attacker considers them from a strategic or political point of view. As a recent academic contribution to the discussion on whether “new wars” require “new laws” has noted, “if this argument [that attacks against political, financial or psychological targets may prove more effective than those against military or dual-use objectives] was decisive, in some societies – in particular in democracies – it may be hospital maternity wards, kindergartens, religious shrines, or homes for the elderly whose destruction would most affect the willingness of the military or of the government to continue the war.”

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  1. Sadly,
    You miss the comparable statements by Hezbollah of punishment of Israelis, not invading ones.

    If you are interested in reducing saber-rattling, then suggest that, consistently.

    It is similar to 1948, in which ethnic cleansing occurred in response to attempted and threatened ethnic cleansing.

    • MRW says:

      Do your homework:
      “The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948.”

    • Avi says:

      It is similar to 1948, in which ethnic cleansing occurred in response to attempted and threatened ethnic cleansing.

      “Non-Fiction”, Witty.

      NON FICTION.

      That’s the aisle you were supposed to be browsing, not “Fiction”.

      • Mythbuster says:

        Actually, Barak’s best quote is this: “we will see it as a legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah.”

        Wanna bet he will be singing a different tune if Hezbollah sees it as legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the State of Israel?

    • eljay says:

      >> If you are interested in reducing saber-rattling, then suggest that, consistently.

      Consistency is the name of the game, except when:
      - blame is to be allocated (in which case it’s never Israel’s fault); or
      - “better arguments” are to be made (in which case the onus falls on everyone but Israel).

      At least we can all “Remember the Holocaust!”

    • Mooser says:

      Witty is again, full of crap, especially,especially, about 1948.

      Scroll past the first set of pictures, to the day-by-day reports from the British Colonial Office in Palestine. Can you tell me how mortaring the “Arab quarters” (how the British refer to them) of Jaffa is a “response to threatened ethnic cleansing”?
      Or were the British threatening a Jewish ethnic cleansing from the King David Hotel. Or maybe it was the wives and children in the hotel which were planning it.
      Witty, just because you suffer from ziocaine amnesia, and can start each day with no memory of what you said yesterday, it doesn’t mean everyone else has to suffer the same mental and moral degradation.

      Well, what do you know! “Ziocaine” is not indicated as a misspelling on Google Spell-check! Things are coming along. After all, a new narrative sometimes needs new words.

    • Shingo says:

      “You miss the comparable statements by Hezbollah of punishment of Israelis, not invading ones.”

      What statements might they be Witty? Care to quote those or are you doign what you always do and simply making shit up?

  2. How do you say “Emmett Till” in Hebrew?

  3. Colin Murray says:

    Ehud Barak: And we will see it as a legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah.

    This is laughable. Israel has seen every building standing in Lebanon as a legitimate target, public or private, since 1948. The very notion of IDF war planners examining Lebanese targets, then suddenly deciding not to bomb one “because it belongs to the Lebanese government” strikes me as the blackest of comedy.

    Who is supposed to draw what message from Barak’s nonsense? Does he think he is telling the Lebanese something they don’t already know? Given that the interview was with the largely neocon WaPo, it’s not much of a guess that he is trying to prop up support for Israel’s next attack with increasingly skeptical Americans.

    • deal, Mr. Barak.

      and Americans will see it as legitimate to hit any American Jewish think tank, synagogue, yeshiva, dayschool, community center that belongs to the “Jewish and Israeli people,” not just to Israel. collective punishment works both ways.

  4. potsherd says:

    Israel is the Mafia of international relations.

  5. hayate says:

    So the israeli ziofascist threatens war crimes. Gee, now that is a big surprise.

    Apartheid israel needs to be dissolved and its leadership rounded up, tried and then executed for their war crimes.

  6. Avi says:

    According to Israeli press reports, the Israeli army was recently training in northern Israel in a mock Lebanese town, similar to the mock Palestinian city in the Negev which in 2006 was used by the Israeli army to train for a future invasion of Gaza.

    Ehud Barak is merely preparing the groundwork as Israel has been provoking Lebanon and escalating the rhetoric lately.

    • lysias says:

      When it looked like Iran and Lebanon would be sending more ships to Gaza, an Israeli government spokesman said for either to send a ship to Gaza would be a hostile act, as both are “enemy states.”

  7. lysias says:

    Doesn’t this too constitute proof of the Goldstone Report?

  8. AreaMan says:

    Lebanon attacked Israel in 1948. Lebanon let the PLO attack Israel in the 1970′s and 80′s. More recently, Lebanon let Hezbollah attack Israel several times. It’s abundantly clear that Lebanon is violently hostile to Israel and shows no restraint other than physical force.

    The name of the game after 1948 has been “It’s him, not me”. That is, proxy organizations, such as the PLO and Hezbollah, did the shooting. The Lebanese military was not very involved; they limited their activities to launching ships at missiles and such acts. But overlooking the history as a whole, Lebanon itself bears responsibility for the numerous attacks against Israel. The new announcement was simply saying that, the next time Lebanon attacks, Israel will ignore the protestations by the Lebanese government that “It’s him, not me”, and wage counter-war against Lebanon as a whole.

    As the article quoted “And we will see it as a legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah“. Barak’s threat was against the government.

    • Avi says:

      Lebanon attacked Israel in 1948.

      OK. You just made that up. That’s obvious.

      My question to you is this: Do you know you’re lying and do so on purpose or are you actually ignorant of the facts that you fill in the void with fiction?

      Anyway, Lebanon gained its independence from France in the late 1940s. . So I don’t see why or HOW Lebanon could have or would have attacked Israel.

      The name of the game after 1948 has been “It’s him, not me”. That is, proxy organizations, such as the PLO and Hezbollah, did the shooting.

      Strange you should say that given the simple fact that Hizbollah was established as a resistant organization to Israel’s 1982 invasion and 20 year occupation of Lebanon. And, the PLO ended up in Lebanon because Israel, and the US puppet regime – Jordan – chased them out of the occupied West Bank and Amman respectively.

      The Lebanese military was not very involved; they limited their activities to launching ships at missiles and such acts.

      They launched ships at missiles? I think you’ve watched Hancock one too many times.

      But overlooking the history as a whole, Lebanon itself bears responsibility for the numerous attacks against Israel. The new announcement was simply saying that, the next time Lebanon attacks, Israel will ignore the protestations by the Lebanese government that “It’s him, not me”, and wage counter-war against Lebanon as a whole.

      Lebanon gets most of its military hardware from the US. In fact, it’s military has been in shambles for decades and only recently did it start to organize like a proper modern military force.

      • Avi says:

        Here’s Hancock:

      • Avi says:

        Or perhaps you’re the Sheriff of Rotting[veal]:

        link to youtube.com

        No?

      • Avi says:

        The Lebanese military was not very involved; they limited their activities to launching ships at missiles and such acts.

        Well, it’s evidently clear that you’re not a rocket scientist. Pun intended.

        ………..

        I do weddings, Bar and Bat Mitzvas.

      • AreaMan says:

        “Launching ships at missiles”.
        My bad. Laughable typo. Enjoy. Lebanon launched missiles at an Israeli warship. And they got a hit, nearly sunk it.

        “Lebanon attacked Israel in 1948.”
        Lebanon was 1 of the 5 Arab countries that attacked Israel:
        See this article. I did not make this up. If I’d said that Atlantis attacked Israel, then you would have been correct.

        Lebanon was granted independence in 1943 (during WWII), in plenty of time to join in the attack on Israel in 1948. They didn’t have much of an army, but then, neither did Israel.

        “Israel … chased them out…”.
        They were chased out of the West Bank because they were shooting at Israel. They were chased out of Jordon because they tried to kill the royal family and stage a coup. Lovely fellows.

        Lebanon may be in a shambles, but they have consistently been supporters of, and participants in, military violence against Israel.

        I testify before all, that I have never in my life watched Hancock, before today. I’ve seen the YouTube you provided. Would you believe that was me throwing the whale? I’m like, really strong…

        Hezbollah gets most of it’s military hardware from Iran, and is militarily strong enough to hold off the rest of Lebanon.

        • Shingo says:

          “Lebanon launched missiles at an Israeli warship. And they got a hit, nearly sunk it.”

          And Israeli warship in Lebanese waters. Don’t leave that bit out Areaman.

          “They didn’t have much of an army, but then, neither did Israel.”

          I know it makes for a nice David and Goliath re-enactment, but Israel had quite a significant army, having built theirs over 10 years.

          “Lebanon may be in a shambles, but they have consistently been supporters of, and participants in, military violence against Israel.”

          When Israel invade yes, and Israel has invaded 3 or 4 times, and occupied for at least 18 years. That tends to piss people off.

          “Hezbollah gets most of it’s military hardware from Iran, and is militarily strong enough to hold off the rest of Lebanon.”

          Hezbollah is armed with mainly WWII era weaponry as is vastly outgunned by the IDF in terms of firepower, but they have managed to kick Israel’s ass twice.

        • Avi says:

          Lebanon was granted independence in 1943, but the last French troops didn’t leave until the late 1946. So, in that regard, Lebanon was still under imperial control, much in the same way the Iraq withdrawal has meant that Iraq is still under, and will remain under, US control for some time.

          Therefore, your claim is bunk.

          As for the “5 Arab armies” myth, if you read some Israeli history by Israeli scholars, you’d know what a laughable ignoramus you are.

          In his research, Simha Flapan, an Israeli historian, wrote that the so-called Arab armies were actually outnumbered by Jewish Zionist militias. These “Arab armies” totaled about 22,000, whereas Jewish militias were closer to 67,000 strong.

          The Zionist militias were also better equipped as they had British military vehicles, airplanes, trucks, firearms, and ammunition.

          The “Arab armies” were simply volunteers who came from neighboring regions. Some came from Egypt, others from Jordan and Syria.

          And Flapan, is not the only one. Consult Benny Morris, Illan Pappe and you’ll see that your mythology is just that, and that reality is a foreign concept to you.

          So spare me the nonsense. I haven’t the time to waste on a pissant like you.

    • MRW says:

      “Lebanon attacked Israel in 1948.” The only place on the entire web where that statement is made is wikipedia and it quotes from this book “The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948.” And that fact is not in that book.

      • AreaMan says:

        “The only place on the web…”
        link to globalsecurity.org, look for ‘Lebanon’ and ‘Lebanese’.

        link to historycentral.com,
        look for ‘Lebanese’, and find “In the North, the Lebanese army seized the border crossing of Malkiyah”.

        link to historylearningsite.co.uk, look for ‘Lebanon’.

        You can’t read. You can’t web search, and you can’t think straight.

        • Avi says:

          Just because some obscure website posts the same lies that you peddle, doesn’t make them true. You can play that silly game all you want, but those lies are just that, lies.

          I’d like to see a credible source cited, not an obscure blog. If you can’t provide one, shut up and quit wasting everyone’s time.

        • hayate says:

          So globalsecurity, historycentral and historylearningsite are all ziofascist front sites peddling 21st century nazi lies. Good to know. Thanks sayanim/hasbarat.

        • Shingo says:

          “You can’t read. You can’t web search, and you can’t think straight.”

          Translation: My Hasbara mother ship has no talking points to refute these arguments. If in doubt, stall for time, and throw in an insult.

        • Areaman
          You make it sound as if the Lebanese army was the aggressor in the battle of Malkiyyeh but the thing is, Malkiyyeh was occupied in the first place by the Israelis and that’s why the Lebanese got it back. And I’m very pleased that they’ve beaten your asses fairly and squarely in that battle and the fact that my dad has took part in it makes me even more proud. It’s just a shame that “in haut lieu” some have betrayed and made agreements with the Israelis and the Lebanese had to regain their stations in Lebanon..

        • Taxi says:

          Ahlan wa sahlan be shabab al Malkiyyeh! Bravo shoo abadayeen!

    • lysias says:

      You obviously need to learn more about Lebanese history. I strongly suggest you read David Hirst’s Beware of Small States: Lebanon, Battleground of the Middle East.

    • Shingo says:

      “Lebanon attacked Israel in 1948. Lebanon let the PLO attack Israel in the 1970’s and 80’s. ”

      Either outright false or debunked. Neither Lebanon nor Hezbollah has ever attacked Israel.

      “More recently, Lebanon let Hezbollah attack Israel several times.”

      False again. Ehub Barak admitted recently that Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 to undermine the PLO and forestall the 2 state settlement. The Winograd Commission concluded that Israel initiative the 2006 war.

      “ It’s abundantly clear that Lebanon is violently hostile to Israel and shows no restraint other than physical force.”

      No, what is abundantly clear is that the Zionists had their eyes on Lebanon from day 1 and especially the waters of the Litani.

      “ That is, proxy organizations, such as the PLO and Hezbollah, did the shooting.”

      False again of course, and we have the death tolls being massively in Israel’s favour to prove it.

      In 2006, Israel was demanding that the Lebanon military restraint Hezbollah, while simultaneously bombing Lebanese military facilities. All Barak is saying is that the next time, it will be business as usual, only worse.

      Barak’s threat was against Lebanon’s civilians, as always.

      • potsherd says:

        Lebanon has every reason in the world to be hostile towards Israel. Right now, Israel is planning to fight Iran on Lebanese territory, just because it’s there.

        “Pity the nation.”

  9. Bumblebye says:

    “It’s him, not me” sez mr SettlerMan. You’re illegal in international law, you know that, but ignore the law. You lot steal other people’s lands and leave them no recourse for their return, abdicate all responsibility even for any compensation let alone acknowledge the cause of the only form of objection left open to them? And you support to the hilt an ideology that advocates and puts into practice brutal policies? Why should Lebanon “take responsibility” for your blowback? Are you paying to turn it into a police state, or do you expect them to pay?

  10. MRW says:

    Israel has to attack Hezbollah first before attacking Iran. It has to crush Hezbollah, which it thinks it can do, other wise things might not go so swimmingly.

    • lysias says:

      That’s probably what Israel thought it was doing in 2006.

      Plans didn’t quite work out.

    • AreaMan says:

      You’re probably right. But if the US puts down Iran’s nuclear weapons program, then that doesn’t come into effect. This might be another good reason for the US to do the job.

      • Shingo says:

        Iran doesn’t have a nuclear weapons program Areaman. Israel have been obsesses with levelling the score with Hezbollah since they got booted from Lebanon in 2000. Thery tried it in 2006 and failed.

        But thanks for admitting that Isral need the US to fight their battles for them.

      • Avi says:

        This might be another good reason for the US to do the job.

        More keyboard cowboism from the resident simpleton.

  11. Taxi says:

    And apparently, Hizbollah is very much looking forward to bombing the fuck out of Tel Aviv and every illegal zionist settlement under the holyland sun!

    So are the Syrians, by the way, the Iranians, and oh so very most possibly: the Turks.

    Let’s see ya firing the first bullet Barak mudderfuker!

    Why there aren’t enough psychiatrists in the whole of Tel Aviv, New York and Los Angeles combined that could comfort the over-pampered zionist hysterics in their five star Hiltonesque shelters when the Hizb decides it’s time for payback!

    And boy are they ready for a full on payback!

    Like Finklestein, I too wish for Israel to “suffer a defeat”; experience a significant smash-up, a most costly and humbling humiliation:

    • AreaMan says:

      If Israel had decided on taking the Litani river, it would have the Litani river. The rest of your allegations cannot be supported, either.

      • Taxi says:

        But they’ve been earnestly trying to ‘take’ the Litana for ooooh since the mid twentieth century, Mr bombamst Areaman.

        Failed time after time after time: remember the Fatima Gate?

        :-)

      • Shingo says:

        “If Israel had decided on taking the Litani river, it would have the Litani river.”

        That’s what Israel thought too and it’s why they are so batchiut crazy about having had their asses handed to them by a smal militia.

        “The rest of your allegations cannot be supported, either.”

        Translatrion: Please don’t let the facts get in the way of the Zionist narrative.

      • AreaMan says:

        I put this on the wrong comment. I was intending Shingo’s 5:07.

        To Taxi:
        Your dedication to peace and civility is touching; you are a true student of Gandhi…

        • Taxi says:

          And your dedication to justice and equality is revolting Mr. asshole propaGANDHIst!

        • Avi says:

          Your dedication to peace and civility is touching; you are a true student of Gandhi…

          Look who’s talking.

          If you wanted civility you would have renounced your undying love for Israel a long time ago.

          You sure have a strange understanding of the term “civility”.

          Anyone can be “civil”.

          Stick a silver spoon up a monkey’s ass and he’ll say “pardon me” and “please”.

          But, you’re TZAVUAH. So, no surprise there.

      • potsherd says:

        Israel fled from Hezbollah with its cowardly tail between its legs.

        • hayate says:

          “Israel fled from Hezbollah with its cowardly tail between its legs.”

          The word israel originally comes from an old Hebrew word that meant chickenshit.

          ;D

    • please stop warmongering taxi

      • Shingo says:

        Please stop killing babies MN.

      • Taxi says:

        oh pretty please with honey and sugar give up your fucking nukes assholes!

        That you don’t find the acquisition of illegal nukes an instigator of mass-death, a kinda bombastic ACT of warmongering, makes me think for sure THERE IS NO INTELLIGENT LIFE ON PLANET ZIONITE.

        Good luck playing your string-less violin in front of the nukeless masses!

  12. Currently, Hezbollah is in fairly gross violation of international law, in rearming south of the Litani as prescribed by ratified UN general assembly resolution.

    It certainly is not the only cause of hostilities, but to ignore its saber-rattling is really ignorant.

    The irony of Taxi’s post, is that it describes (more than confirms) that the militants in the Islamic world are itching for a general conflict, that can justify their military prospect.

    A single enemy won’t succeed against Israel, it takes a gang, surrounded.

    Without Iran in the picture, Syria and Hezbollah wouldn’t be. Thats also evident from Taxi’s revelation.

    • Just for reference, the BDS movement and other actions by dissent is understood by Israel and those that are sympathetic to Israel, as ganging.

      Not talking, not even asserting the humanity of Palestinians.

      • Chaos4700 says:

        Says the guy who thinks the slaugher of over three hundred children by the IDF over a two month period, and the starvation of over half a million more, are all justified by his warped theology of “self determination.”

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Sorry, three week period. Operation Cast Lead was only three weeks. Of course, any sort of hell on Earth is going to seem longer than it is.

      • Shingo says:

        “Just for reference, the BDS movement and other actions by dissent is understood by Israel and those that are sympathetic to Israel, as ganging.”

        White supremacists in apartheid South Africa thought the same thing.

      • eljay says:

        >> Just for reference, the BDS movement and other actions by dissent is understood by Israel and those that are sympathetic to Israel, as ganging. Not talking, not even asserting the humanity of Palestinians.

        There’s no “talking” because there’s no one to “talk” to, seeing as how Israel is busy with occupation, colonization, destruction, theft and murder. Of course, Israel is the “generation to generation” fear-scarred victim, so it isn’t required to talk, to find new narratives, to make better arguments. It just has to “Remember the Holocaust!”

    • Avi says:

      Currently, Hezbollah is in fairly gross violation of international law, in rearming south of the Litani as prescribed by ratified UN general assembly resolution.

      Israel has been in violation of numerous laws pertaining to its — shall we say — “interaction” with southern Lebanon. On a daily basis, Israeli airforce planes fly over Lebanon and invade its airspace. If the same was done by Lebanon TO Israel, you would have pooped your drawers.

      Israel has also installed several surveillance devices IN Lebanese territory. Such devices were discovered recently by the Lebanese army who called in UNIFIL to remove them.

      Israel routinely attacks marine vessels (That’s ships and boats for you ignorant Zionist simpletons like AreaMan) in Lebanon’s territorial waters.

      And lastly, Israel is in violation of international law for having used cluster bombs in 2006 on populated civilian areas, cluster bombs which are still killing and maiming children who play with unexploded bombs they find thinking they are toys.

      These are only a handful of examples of UN Resolutions and International Law of which Israel is in violation. Israel’s violations dwarf those of Hizbollah’s, both in numbers and in the level of violence involved.

      So go lecture someone who might give a f*** about you and your beloved criminal gang.

      I’m sick and tired of such blatant hypocrisy.

    • Shingo says:

      Typical bullshit from Witty, the clueless fascist

      Hezbollah are under no obligation to disarm, seeing as the UN Resolution calks for the disarming of militias, and Hariri declared Hezbollah part of Lebanon’s army.

      Meanwhile , it is Israel who’ve been issuing all the threats, but in Witty’s derranged mind, it’s Hezbollah’s fault.

    • Shingo says:

      “The irony of Taxi’s post, is that it describes (more than confirms) that the militants in the Islamic world are itching for a general conflict, that can justify their military prospect.”

      A typicalexample of Zionist projection.

    • Taxi says:

      Are you so thick-skinned inside your little black box for brains, Richard Whitey?

      You don’t think atheists or christians from the middle east have been radicalized by Israel’s continuing thugery, buggery and fuckery?!

      You think only moslems in the middle east are prone to becoming ‘militant’?!!

      And you don’t think israel WANTS ALL OF PALESTINIAN LAND EVEN IF IT MEANS ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS OF WAR AND WARMONGERING?!!

      You don’t think that israel cynically uses minions like you, replaceable cogs in the wheel of it’s darkening fortunes?

      Get fucking real and stop faking being balanced!

      I never read such a cold and smarmy buncha words as yours, buster!

    • Shingo says:

      “It certainly is not the only cause of hostilities, but to ignore its saber-rattling is really ignorant.”

      That’s tyical Witty for you. Barak states plainly that Israel are going to level Lebanon, civlians and all, and he tried to throw sand in everyone’s eyes by alluding to make believe saber-rattling by Hezbollah.

      We all wait with baited breath over evidence of such saber-rattling, but we also know Witty isn’t going to produce any such statements.

      “Without Iran in the picture, Syria and Hezbollah wouldn’t be. Thats also evident from Taxi’s revelation.”

      Without the US in the picture, Israel wouldn’t be.
      Without Israel in the picture, Hezbollah wouldn’t be.

  13. Mad, rabid dogs should be put down..humanely if possible but in the case of Barak, it doesn’t have be..

  14. Bumblebye says:

    No right place for this. Israeli military copter down in Bulgaria or Romania, 7 dead, 6 Israeli. Heard on bbc world 2am GMT, can’t find on the website or other places.

  15. hobbyist says:

    From Haaretz’ MESS Report blog, a new causus belli for war:

    The [Nasrallah] leader of the Shi’ite movement also said he had no intention of attacking Israel. But Israeli officials have never considered such an attack very likely. Rather, they say, the most likely spark for a war in the north is a Hezbollah attack on an Israeli target overseas to avenge the 2008 assassination of its operations chief, Imad Mughniyeh, for which it blames Israel.

    link to haaretz.com

  16. piotr says:

    As Israel had “wars” with Hezbolla and Hamas, Russia had a little war with Georgia. Without using any crappy “doctrine”. Similarly, Turkey had limited engagements in Iraqi Kurdistan. These situations are sufficiently comparable to test the preposition that “everybody would do the same thing”. Emphatically, not. To see such a concentration of “war effort” on civilian targets you need to visit some infernal conflicts in Africa. Besides anything else, it is just stupid.

    So Russians and Turks concentrated on targeting armed men and, in case of Russia in Georgia, military targets. Yes, some apartments blocks were turned to rubble to, but few and closed to a military airport that was actually used. Israeli response seems to be that the less armed the opponent is, the more civilians you have to kill, because, you know, of assymmetry. Duh.

    • AreaMan says:

      The Turkish assaults on the Kurds in both Turkey and Iraq have killed tens of thousands of people — far more than the number killed in Gaza and the West Bank.

      The Russian assaults on Chechnya and Dagestan are likewise extremely bloody, with the city of Grozny being hit much harder than Gaza was, and reduced to rubble.

      So, yes, “emphatically not” the same. Israel was much more careful, much more sparing of human life than either Turkey or Russia.

      Or compare the 3-week Cast Lead operation to the 3-week Hama Massacre in Syria. The Syrians killed more than ten times as many people as died in Cast Lead. And got much less criticism for it. Both operations were directed against local versions of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      • Shingo says:

        “The Turkish assaults on the Kurds in both Turkey and Iraq have killed tens of thousands of people — far more than the number killed in Gaza and the West Bank.”

        Your honour, why are you wasting all this time going after me when John Wayne Gacey killed 33 times as many people as I did?
        [Charles Manson during his appeal]

        Now ack to reality. Israel killed 15-20,000 people in Lebanon and tens of thousands of Palestinians.

        “Israel was much more careful, much more sparing of human life than either Turkey or Russia.”

        Yes, Israel only kills 99 civilians for every bad guy they hit.

  17. Mooser says:

    When I start hearing (or reading) people saying worse things about Israel than they routinely said about Iraq, or Iran, I’ll worry about anti-Semitism.

    When America starts talking worse (or doing worse) about American Jews than they routinely do about Afro-Americans, Asians or Hispanics, I’ll get concerned about anti-Semitism.

  18. I hope that Barak’s threats convince the Lebanese or Hezbollah (or however you want to rationalize their sometimes independant, sometimes integrated military) to NOT incite, to NOT provoke, so that that people can have some sense of security.

    Or, do you hope that Hezbollah finds another opportunity to stick to the Israelis?

    • Shingo says:

      So according to Witty, it’s inapropriate for Hezbollah to sabre rattle (even though he fails yetagain to poduce an example of Hezbollah sabre rattling), but gets behind the sabre rattling of the war criminal, Barak.

      Have we had anyone as vile as this bottom feeder on this forum in anyone’s memory?