Viva Palestina’s ‘Lifeline 5′ convoy reaches Gaza

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Viva Palestina 2010 (Photo: Reuters)

Viva Palestina Lifeline 5 convoy reached Gaza today, with 140 vehicles, 300 activists and over three million pounds worth of aid. Each consecutive convoy is larger than the last one, increasing the number of activists involved (from 30 countries) and publicity it generates about the “Cage“, as Jimmy Carter described the place recently.

 

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  1. Bumblebye says:

    Well done them.
    OT, wikileaks are out. Guardian has some.

  2. Avi says:

    These images scare me. Can the man to the left give Israelis guarantees that he is not going to plant that flag at the Dizengoff Fountain?

  3. Saleema says:

    The two men prostrating are giving thanks to God. And so is the one kneeling down. Very powerful image.

  4. yonira says:

    This is proof there is no need to try and ‘run the blockade’

    • Avi says:

      Right, because a few vans filled with supplies should meet the needs of 1.5 MILLION people.

      How’s the cowardly, detached from reality, sheltered life treating you, shwartzman?

      It’s amazing that you have so little pride to the point that you continue to post here after you were caught countless times lying, not to mention the most blatant lie of all, your use of two different accounts to which you admitted.

      You’re like a used car salesman.

      • Citizen says:

        The Draft may be coming; in fact it likely will be an issue if the US joins forces with Israel to satisfy Israel’s first priority of maintaining hedgemony in the Middle East by attacking Iran. link to nytimes.com

        Otherwise he could go live in Israel, where he would be conscripted–and live a less comfy, less secure life.

      • yonira says:

        Which lies Avi, I already explained my use of two names. Talk about little pride, you left in a whimper and came back two days later like you didn’t have a melt down or something.

        You are the liar, it was much more that a few vans.
        with 140 vehicles, 300 activists and over three million pounds worth of aid.

        That is much more aid than the ‘fascist flotilla’ brought in, no?

        Doubt this will make it through the censor because after your meltdown you have become ‘untouchable’

        • Avi says:

          over three million pounds worth of aid.

          So each Palestinian will have 2 pounds worth of aid which will last him or her a month, two months, or perhaps three months?

          Yes. Let’s keep the siege in place because the average Gazan can certainly live off of 2 pounds worth of aid (Which is a combination of medicine, food, and clothing).

          You’d be crying bloody murder if you were asked to live under such conditions.

          Have you no humanity?

        • jonah says:

          You are quite misinformed, Avi.
          link to haaretz.com

          I don’t hope deliberately, hmm?

        • Shingo says:

          “That is much more aid than the ‘fascist flotilla’ brought in, no?”

          Fascist flotilla Yoni? I don’t recall the activists forcing the IDF (Israeli Dough Boy Fraternity), to climb aboard the boats.

          Nor do I recall them grabbing guns off the ISraelis and firing bullets into their own heads.

        • Shingo says:

          “You are quite misinformed, Avi.”

          It’s a pitty you don’t bother to read your own links Jonah.

          The article mentions plans to increase the number of trucks and a temporary increase following the flotilla massacre.

        • Sumud says:

          That is much more aid than the ‘fascist flotilla’ brought in, no?

          Uh, no.

          The Free Gaza Flotilla was carrying around $20 million of cargo. So that’s 4 times what the “fascist flotilla” was carrying.

          As for the necessity of running the blockade the Egyptian government still wouldn’t permit the entry of basic construction items like concrete, so the 5,000 homes demolished during the Gaza Massacre can’t be rebuilt.

        • Sumud says:

          jonah ~ Avi is not misinformed.

          The Haaretz article you link to states truckloads per day will increase from 75 to 150, and later again to 250 per day. Sounds great. Except as dear Ethan Bronner relates, the pre-siege amount of trucks entering Gaza was 500 or 600. Jimmy Carter pegs daily truckloads at 700 in 2005. It is 1.5 million people after all. So, still only a fraction of the baseline amount of goods are getting into Gaza. And given the need for reconstruction, the actual need will be higher for some time to come. The total ban on all exports remains (what’s that got to do with preventing weapons from entering Gaza?), thus the crippled Gaza economy remains crippled, and unemployment is still at ~40%.

          The siege lives.

          That Haaretz article is from June. Gisha have reported more recently (September) on conditions in Gaza since the “easing” of the blockade, responding here to a whole bunch of claims in a statement issued the the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The first point deals with the issue of truckloads:

          True: “Traffic has increased significantly. The number of trucks coordinated with the PA normally reaches the current maximum capacity of 250 trucks a day”.
          More True: While the volume of trucks has increased, it was still at just 38% of demand in the last month, due to Israel’s refusal to re-open crossings it has closed since 2007.

        • Avi says:

          jonah October 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm

          You are quite misinformed, Avi.
          link to haaretz.com

          I don’t hope deliberately, hmm?

          Shingo and Sumud have already responded quite effectively to your false claims.

          What I’d like to know is do you have anything in terms of historical facts (remember that “facts” are required to be accurate, too. A reputable source might help. The Israeli MFA and similar Zionist sites are not reputable sources), personal experience, social interaction with Palestinians, or some kind of relevant professional training to contribute something of value to this discussion? For example, Phil is a journalist. I know because he said so and he’s proven to be credible. So, I trust his word. Thus, his professional training and experience provide him with the tools needed to evaluate information and examine it.

          Still, many others haven’t disclosed any personal information about themselves, but they do provide both reliable sources or at the very least logically convincing arguments, arguments which are based on publicly available information.

          But, perhaps you plan on constantly advancing inaccurate information about the occupation, official Israeli and Palestinian decisions, rumors, stereotypes and propaganda about this entire conflict?

          If your intention is the former, then you might have a leg to stand on, if it’s the latter, then you’re a fish out of water, blind in the dark, trying to convince me of something that exists in the ether and to some extent in your head. This isn’t meant to be insulting, just think carefully about what I’m saying here and try to understand why your arguments are weak. It’s not a difference in opinion, but a difference in knowledge. You have in your head what you assume to be valuable and factual information, but time and again you have shown that the information that you have is either false, or outdated. Worse, you have yet to show that you have the tools needed to analyze said information, logically. And yet, that doesn’t stop you from attempting again and again, over and over from advancing the same claims. In fact, many of the ardent Israel defenders on this website do the same exact thing, they keep rehashing old information that was proven to be false, out of context or simply irrelevant. So, what I’d like to know is, why do you do that, repeatedly?

        • jonah says:

          “The siege lives.”

          True, and it will likely do so also in the future, as long as Hamas, Islamic Jihad&Co. persist in stockpiling Iran-made weapons and building bunkers in order to eventually restart another round of hostilities after the customary tactical hudna. Little has changed in the attitude of the Jihadists in Gaza City.

          But, yes life quality has finally and significantly improved: the Gazans have today their luxury clubs
          link to rootsclub.ps, new shopping malls
          link to alresalahtalk.net
          and markets filled with all sort of goods.
          link to paltoday.ps
          They are fine.

          You should better be worried about the hunger in the rest of the world, Sumud.
          link to edition.cnn.com

        • “Fascist flotilla”

          I know yonira I know! It’s like this fascist weather we have in Sydney nowadays..Rain non-stop all day!

        • talknic says:

          jonah

          Clubs = ONE restaurant

          Malls = ONE small mall in part of an olde refurbished building.

          Markets = ONE market

          In areas NOT totally destroyed by the IDF.

          How much is smuggled in and how many Palestinians can afford to buy?

          Photos can tell a lie…. got some statistics?

          Meanwhile … elsewhere in well to do Gaza

        • Shmuel says:

          They are fine.

          That is an extremely callous and offensive lie. Gazans are by no means “fine” (your irrelevant links notwithstanding). Here are a couple of links that reflect the true conditions in Gaza today:

          link to mondoweiss.net

          link to gisha.org

        • jonah says:

          I prefer these updated photos, talknic ;-)

          link to daylife.com
          (many pages, a click on the single photo give you more informations)

          I love this too:
          link to maannews.net

          And this:
          link to youtube.com

          For more information about hotels and restaurats in the Gaza strip please contact directly the Palestinian tourist office:
          link to travelpalestine.ps

        • jonah says:

          PS. It is simply infortunate that Hamas and the other extremists who rule in Gaza do not allow Gazans to have innocuos fun: link to guardian.co.uk

        • Shmuel says:

          Crude propaganda – cherry-picked images and baseless extrapolations. Both your message and your tone are insulting – to us, but most of all to the Gazans whose suffering you are trying to deny, despite ample evidence to the contrary.

          Reported as “offensive propaganda”.

        • jonah says:

          Sumud, why should I give more credit to dry statistics provided by a biased source, rather than believing the vivid photographs of the real life in Gaza?

        • Shmuel says:

          As I’m sure you know, statistics offer a picture of the situation as a whole, while pictures (assuming they are in fact of what they claim to be) may tell only a small part of a story in a specific place at a specific time.

          The organisations you call biased include well-known international, Palestinian and Israeli human rights groups. Their methodology is transparent and their findings have never seriously been contested – even by the Israeli government, which merely tries to distract and “reframe” (see e.g. Gisha’s “True – More True” article) or dismiss in a sweeping fashion, without specific data (see e.g. Gisha’s letters to the Turkel Commission).

        • Danaa says:

          jonah – your propaganda is one in a long tradition of the virtual potemkin village images erected by Israel’s inept hasbara. Try it on another site, is my advise to you. Here your pathetic attempts at using washed over whitewash come across as lurid at best. Reminds me of the show case Buchenwald pictures.

          For more up-to-date information, check out today’s Richard Silverstein post offering translation of the document Gisha forced the IDF to release. Truly chilling.

        • Avi says:

          jonah,

          Your string of propaganda responses, after I posed my questions to you, illustrate that you never had any intention of carrying out an honest discussion in good faith. In fact, these latest series of comments prove beyond a doubt that you are only interested in promulgating hasbara talking points. This is your undoing.

          You ignore inconvenient facts and counter with spin and falsities. Cleanse thyself.

        • tree says:

          Thanks for pointing to this, Danaa. Here’s the link to Richard’s post:

          link to richardsilverstein.com

          Maybe jonah will believe a report from the IDF itself on the blockade, its purpose and effect. Or does jonah think that the IDF is also biased against itself?

        • jonah says:

          Hi Shmuel,
          not everyone agrees on your assurances regarding the NGO
          Gisha. The name ‘biased’ for this group appears to be not entirely out of place if we take into consideration its ideological premises and its recent history in defense of the Palestinian freedom of movement and in complete omission of the Israeli security concerns.

          link to ngo-monitor.org

          Sorry, you didn’t convince me. Try it harder.
          (However, I appreciate the tone of your comments, always calm and without ad hominem attacks. My full respect goes to you.)

        • Avi says:

          (However, I appreciate the tone of your comments, always calm and without ad hominem attacks. My full respect goes to you.)

          More divide and conquer tactics. Nice.

          It would help if you looked up the definition of ad hominem

          The troll wants to play dirty, but demands to be treated with respect. How quaint of Israel’s supporters and of Israel itself.
          It’s a pathology it seems.

        • jonah says:

          Danaa -
          If the people of Gaza as a whole suffers anno 2010, as you suggest, from malnutrition and poor health, to the extent that you can talk about Gaza as a “concentration camp in the open air” comparable to Buchenwald, you are certainly able to provide compelling and incontrovertible evidence of this catastrophic situation by valid and ufficial documents, and not just through obscure alleged secret documents of obscure origin translated by an anonymous next to be published. I’m waiting, Daana.

        • jonah says:

          Avi, to your question:
          “So, what I’d like to know is, why do you do that, repeatedly?”

          Exactly because I’m committed to fight inaccuracy, propaganda based on ideology, historical revisionism, as well as attempts to delegitimize and demonize, which are the “daily bread” in this blog. And because, specularly, I’m committed to the truth in terms of balanced knowledge and information, logical analysis and ethical reflection on the ME-reality. This does not prevent me from committing errors and inaccuracies at times, but I still believe in a very small percentage in comparison with the desire for a honest and well-founded research and clarification of historical and current facts of the Middle East conflict.

          To be a journalist or a human rights activist, a politician or even a scholar isn’t at all a guarantee for balanced information, they all can be subject to ideological distortions, propaganda and selective perception of the reality. As graduate, if you are one, you should know.
          It doesn’t wonder me that you consider my points nothing but “Hasbara”. But that does not make your case look better.

        • Avi says:

          jonah October 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm

          Danaa -
          If the people of Gaza as a whole suffers anno 2010, as you suggest, from malnutrition and poor health, to the extent that you can talk about Gaza as a “concentration camp in the open air” comparable to Buchenwald, you are certainly able to provide compelling and incontrovertible evidence of this catastrophic situation by valid and ufficial documents, and not just through obscure alleged secret documents of obscure origin translated by an anonymous next to be published. I’m waiting, Daana.

          It’s “Danaa”, not “Daana”.

          And Danaa does not need to do so because that information has been discussed ad infinitum in the past on this very website. You didn’t even bother reading the archives. You simply expect others to convince you of an already established fact — e.g. the earth is a sphere — while you cling to the fact that the earth is flat.

        • Shmuel says:

          Jonah,

          Gisha’s findings have been confirmed by B’tselem, Physicians for Human Rights, Amnesty International and other human rights groups. NGO-Monitor is a hack propaganda organisation that defends (right-wing) Israel no matter what. It has absolutely no interest in the truth if it does not serve Israeli propaganda purposes, and no interest in Palestinian human rights. Any substantive refutation of Gisha’s reports on the effects of closure on Gaza? None. Not even by NGO-Monitor (although I’m sure they would if they could).

        • Avi says:

          Exactly because I’m committed to fight inaccuracy, propaganda based on ideology, historical revisionism, as well as attempts to delegitimize and demonize, which are the “daily bread” in this blog.

          Have you ever been to the occupied West Bank, not a settlement in the West Bank, but to a Palestinian village or town? Ever?

          In terms of balanced knowledge and information, logical analysis and ethical reflection on the ME-reality.

          That is simply not true. If it were true, then I must say that you have an odd definition of “ethical” and “balanced”. Your calling Zionist terrorists “Freedom Fighters” despite their targeting of civilians and carrying out premeditated assassinations in British Mandatory Palestine underscores that point. In addition, your characterization of the conditions in Gaza under the siege as “fine”, is demonstrably false.

          This does not prevent me from committing errors and inaccuracies at times, but I still believe in a very small percentage in comparison with the desire for a honest and well-founded research and clarification of historical and current facts of the Middle East conflict.

          This is merely a repetition of what I wrote in my post above. It does not mean that you actually believe or understand what “well-founded” research means because you have shown complete disregard for basic standards.

          but I still believe in a very small percentage

          Not quite. What you have shown time and again is that you are clinging onto Israeli government talking points. Yet, you continue on the same pattern of disingenuous claims.

        • jonah says:

          Discussed ad infinitum? You mean repeated ad infinitum until it seems real. And I will certainly not read archives filled with one-sided propaganda.

          Your poor stereotyped answer confirms nevertheless the impression: there is no evidence that the Gaza population is kept to a minimum for survival, as stated in the Gisha-report, no evidence that exists a humanitarian crisis. In fact, the Gazans are better off than many other people, with a life expectancy much higher than other countries, a population grothrate rate among the hightest in the world, a death rate lower than Germany, Italy, Egypt, Marokko ….

          By stopping its hostile policies against Israel, the Gaza government could obtain very soon the lift of the blockade and the quick resumption of free trade with the world, thus a clear improvement of Gaza’s economy, as well as freedom of movement for the persons.
          But can you imagine that the Gisha-NGO &Co. has the guts to criticize Hamas’ extremist and oppressive policies …

        • Danaa says:

          Avi, thanks for the correct-a-troll input. Now I don’t have to provide all that info about Buchenwald – as jonah has amply proven he prefers to issue proclamations rather than digest information.

          Convering with the likes of jonah reminds me of trying to debate with tea partiers – might as well have a deep discussion with my cat(s) about the virtues of an all-vegetarian diet (now, who would do such a thing…..either one?).

          tree, really good of you to provide the link. can I hire you?

        • jonah says:

          “Any substantive refutation of Gisha’s reports on the effects of closure on Gaza? None.”

          “Economic warfare” is a strange concept when you are willing to acknowledge that Hamas is still at war with Israel and has no intention of finding a peaceful solution to the ongoing conflict; when you are willing to ackknowledge that it is amassing new weapons and missiles to use for a possible other round of hostilities. There are many ways to stop the blockade, for example the release of Jilad Shalid, the end of the rocket launch, the recognition of Israel as neighbor, more conciliatory tone, not only warmongering demagogy. But yes, it’s an old story …

        • Donald says:

          ” a death rate lower than Germany, Italy, Egypt, Marokko ….”

          I don’t know if that’s true, but a similar issue came up with regards to the debate over the death toll in Iraq–the prewar death rate as measured by the Lancet papers was lower than some Western countries and some ignorant critics thought that meant the figures were wrong. It turns out that in countries with high birth rates and a much higher percentage of young people you get lower death rates because of the relative absence of old people–it doesn’t mean that the public health situation is superior than it is in Germany. If the death rates were comparable then it would mean there was a catastrophic situation in the poor country with a large number of young people.

          As for Gaza, the evidence is clear that Israel intended its blockade to hurt ordinary Gazans. And they’ve succeeded.

        • Donald says:

          Forgot to mention Egypt–Egypt is not exactly a poster child for good governance.

        • Shingo says:

          ““Economic warfare” is a strange concept when you are willing to acknowledge that Hamas is still at war with Israel and has no intention of finding a peaceful solution to the ongoing conflict”

          That of course is a lie.

          Hamas has stated it woudl honor all previous agreements signed by the PA.
          Hamas supports a 2 state solution and says it woudl accept the terms of the Arab Peace initiative.
          Hamas stuck to a ceasefire until Israel broke it, then proposed returning to the ceasefire, which Israel rejected.

          “when you are willing to ackknowledge that it is amassing new weapons and missiles to use for a possible other round of hostilities.”

          You cannot be serious. You’re complaining about Hamas “amassing new weapons and missiles to use for a possible other round of hostilities” when Israel received 3 billion a year in state of the art weapons, and who’s leaders are talking openly about the next war (ie. massacre) of Gaza?

          Only last week, Israel were “warning” that Hamas might have acquired anti aircraft missiles. Apart from the fact it’s a given that these will have no effect on Israel’s planes, it’s mind boggling to hear Israel protesting that Hamas have acquired defensive weapons that might get in the way of Israel massacring the Gazan population.

          Could you be any more delusional and mentally deranged Jonah?

          “There are many ways to stop the blockade, for example the release of Jilad Shalid, the end of the rocket launch, the recognition of Israel as neighbor, more conciliatory tone, not only warmongering demagogy. But yes, it’s an old story …”

          False on all counts.

          The Israelis have made no effort to secure the release of Shalit, so clearly his release is not a priority.

          Hamas stopped rocket attacks for 4 months in 2008, and Israel went back on their promise to lift the blockade, which was part fo the original ceasefire agreement.

          As Meshal pointed out, how could the Palestinians NOT recognize Israel as a neighbor, when Israel is imprisoning and oppressing the Palestinians?

          I though you were committed to reporting the truth Jonah, at least that’s what you claimed. All you’ve done here is reel off the talking points from the Likud web site.

        • potsherd says:

          Israel has no intention of ending the blockade – ever.

          The blockade was in place before Shalit was captured and there is no indication that the release of Shalit would result in ending it. The rockets have often been halted, with no end to the blockade.

          Whereas Hamas has offered – repeatedly – to enter into a longterm ceasefire with Israel. This is a peaceful solution to the conflict that Israel has repeated refused to even consider.

          So of course it is amassing weapons. It has the right to defend itself against the war that Israel is waging on it, day and night, without letup.

        • Avi says:

          Such dedication to accuracy, jonah, you even got the name of the Israeli soldeir captured by Hamas wrong.


          Jilad Shalid

          His name is Gil’ad Shalit

          That’s a “G” like in GAG.

          His last name “Shalit” means “Ruler” in Hebrew.

          However, “Shalid” comes from the root “sheled”, meaning skeleton.

          Wow, you are pathetic. You sound like the Jewish American youth in Max Blumenthal’s videos. He once asked one of those little Zionists, “Who’s Netanyahu?” and they hadn’t the slightest idea.

          But, they sure knew their hate-speech about Palestinians being anti-Semitic animals and what not.

          You’re truly a sad caricature.

        • Avi says:

          By stopping its hostile policies against Israel, the Gaza government could obtain very soon the lift of the blockade and the quick resumption of free trade with the world, thus a clear improvement of Gaza’s economy, as well as freedom of movement for the persons.

          Yes. More empty wholesome proclamations, much along the lines of

          “(However, I appreciate the tone of your comments, always calm and without ad hominem attacks. My full respect goes to you.).”

          Straight from the Hasbara handbook. Such virtuous creature you are, jonah.

          Do you remember this?

          Obviously, you are not fully aware of the power of myths in human life. To speak in such crude and uncultured way, probably you’ve never picked up the Hebrew Bible – the Torah -, nor other religious and mythical writings such as the Vedas, the Sufi poetry or the Koans of the Zen Masters.

          It’s sad that you are a hypocrite through and through.

          Anyway,

          The”hostilities” that you refer to started in response to Israel imposing a siege on Gaza once the Hamas government was elected.

          Again, you do a good job of re-writing history as you see fit, all stale talking points courtesy of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

          link to vanityfair.com

        • eljay says:

          >> I’m committed to the truth in terms of balanced knowledge and information, logical analysis and ethical reflection on the ME-reality.

          The truth.
          A man attacked a woman in a dark alley, forced himself upon her and brutally raped her.

          The “balanced” truth, according to “humanists”.
          Perhaps we should consider the fact that while this man was self-(self-)determining himself inside that woman, he suffered facial lacerations from her fingernails when she lashed out at him. Surely, both parties in this altercation are guilty to some extent for the violence perpetrated? To punish only the man is as destabilizing as it is revolutionary. “Justice” suggests that both parties should focus on creating new narratives and moving forward from this point. Oh, and the man’s ex-wife’s mother’s aunt was a Holocaust survivor, so clearly he was also fear-scarred.

        • tree says:

          Anyone else here notice that jonah just punted and is now attempting to move the goalposts?

          By stopping its hostile policies against Israel, the Gaza government could obtain very soon the lift of the blockade and the quick resumption of free trade with the world, thus a clear improvement of Gaza’s economy, as well as freedom of movement for the persons.

          and

          . There are many ways to stop the blockade, for example the release of Jilad Shalid, the end of the rocket launch, the recognition of Israel as neighbor, more conciliatory tone, not only warmongering demagogy.

          He’s just abandoned both of his contentions. One, that Gaza is doing fine. And two, that the blockade is imposed by Israel for security reasons to prevent the importation of weapons. He’s caved on both of them and now is attempting to justify Israel’s “economic warfare” that he earlier claimed did not exist.

          So much for jonah’s self-described interest in truth. All just a poorly constructed, makeshift facade. The only question is, does he think he is fooling us, or is he only fooling himself?

        • Shmuel says:

          Jonah,

          Now you have switched to arguing definitions and motivations. The subject was, I believe, the consequence of Israel’s closure – are the Gazans “fine” or not? Gisha, Amnesty, Physicians for Human Rights, Human Rights Watch, B’tselem and others say that they most definitely are not. Do you have any evidence, apart from pictures of markets and insinuations about Gisha’s reliability, that they are wrong?

        • jonah says:

          “His name is Gil’ad Shalit

          That’s a “G”

          You know, Avi, speaking the whole time about Hamas&Co.-J’ihadists it may happen to make such kind of spelling slips …. ;-)

          It is a widely used pattern in Israel-hating fringes to paint Israel-friends as ‘bigots’. However, in pointing constantly the accusing finger at someone, you should be aware that the three remaining fingers are aimed at you.

          Anyway, I don’t think that by taking up the cudgels for Hamas (considered by the most countries as terrorist organisation) you do a good service to the Palestinian cause …

        • talknic says:

          jonah

          1st link – accompanying texts “A Palestinian vendor sells dates at a market in Gaza City August 9, 2010, before the holy month of Ramadan. Ramadan, the Muslim holy month where the devout fast by day and feast at night, is different in Gaza this year thanks to the partial relaxation of Israel’s blockade …”

          “A Palestinian works in Wael El Wadiah’s Gaza snack food factories, that today is denied access to the West Bank market by Israel, in Gaza City July 22, 2010. The blockade, tightened as Hamas Islamists hostile to Israel rose to power, has devastated the economy …”

          “Palestinians shop at the market in the town of Rafah. Israel is still deciding exactly what it will and will not allow into Gaza under a new approach towards the enclave, which it has blockaded for four years. Rafah, Palestinian Territory. 17/07/2010″

          2nd Link ONE swimming pool. AMAZING!!! Did you know Israel has built 36 swimming pools in illegally annexed East Jerusalem?

          Link 3 ONE water park. INCREDIBLE !!!

          Meanwhile in Israel Shfaim Water Park, Spark Yamit, The Luna Gal, The Meymadiyon, Ashkeloona, Nah’shonit ( part of a larger one), afikei mayim, hafetz haim, kinneret la, reut, alumot, hof can …….

          4th Link — 13 hotels listed in Gaza 0 (NIL) restaurants listed in Gaza

          Meanwhile in Israel — link to gemsinisrael.com — Restaurants? McDonald’s alone has 153

    • potsherd says:

      The blockade is illegal and evil. This in itself sufficient need for breaking it.

    • Shingo says:

      “This is proof there is no need to try and ‘run the blockade’”

      This is proof there is no need for a blockade.

  5. Israelis must start to learn this fact..There’s no way you can break the will of these people! Forget it!

  6. Larry says:

    Well a banana split has been ruled a multi-use weapon that could be used against Israel.

  7. Saleema says:

    This is proof that you can still move the Egyptian government to do some good for its soul, but the Israeli government is still far from that point!

    • Walid says:

      Don’t be misled that it has anything to do with soul; opening the gate has more to do with Egyptian legislative elections coming up in 5 weeks and the Brotherhood setting its sights on over 30% of the Parliament. So if any other groups want to make it through, these next few weeks is the perfect time for it. Israel even permitted the antisemite Jimmy Carter’s Elders Group into Gaza via Rafah. It’s amazing what upcoming elections can do to the political psyche of governments and how this has mellowed the Egyptian one while it turns the Israeli one it into a bigger monster committing its worst attrocities just before elections. Look how the upcoming US elections are affecting the US. No, soul has nothing to do with it.

      • Citizen says:

        So true, Walid. Thanks for the insight.

      • Citizen says:

        This Egyptian pundit says Egyptians are disillusioned by years of fake democracy–sorta like Americans in the USA, especially considering the greater amount of freedom in the USA and the (strangled) First Amendment. link to globalpost.com

        • Citizen says:

          “Change in Egypt may be as sluggish as the waters of the Nile, but there is still a sense that it is coming. The opposition is weak and fragmented, but getting stronger, using social media and blogs to communicate and organise. Civil society and NGOs are becoming more active. Human rights issues have moved up the agenda. Other Arabs no longer expect Egypt to play its old pan-Arab role – its relationship with the US and unpopular peace treaty with Israel make that impossible – but in the domestic arena it is setting trends that are being watched and imitated”…” The Obama administration has actually cut funding to pro-democracy groups in Egypt.” link to guardian.co.uk

        • mig says:

          Actually, what gives me strange feelings is how US can keep & call as a friend or ally of those countrys, where is US military base or to whom US state gives money few billion of dollars.

          Thats to me as they are “friends” because US buys them on their side or by fear because of a military presence.

          And thats a friendship based on the thin line.

      • Saleema says:

        Thank you, Walid. I was not aware elections were coming up.

        How naive of me to think that the people in the Egyptian government can look at the Palestinians and see in them their brothers.

    • Citizen says:

      As you know, Saleema, Gaza has two land borders, one with Israel, and one with Egypt so the Israeli blockade on Gaza would have never been possible at all without the Egyptian cooperation. (Last year the cooperation between Egypt and Israel was explicitly described in the press when Egypt insisted that Viva Palestina “should coordinate” with the Israeli government, and the Egyptian government blocked the international activists and foreigners not only from going to Gaza or delivering the much needed humanitarian aid, but from getting anywhere near the Egypt-Gaza border.) Egyptian cooperation with Israel is paid for every year with 2 billion US dollars of aid conditional on such cooperation, the second highest annual direct financial aid dole after the US unconditional 3 billion direct aid to Israel (given upfront in cash while the Uncle Sam pays the interest for the loan to China). Those two chunks of aid are a very significant share of total US annual foreign aid. Yet Nettie finds it easy to push Uncle Sam around. He knows the score because he lived in the USA: Unconditonal aid to a foreign state, Israel, is the first priority for success in US domestic politics. In this most practical sense, it’s understandable why fringe web sites in the USA call it ZOG, which sounds and looks like the name of an arch villain in the old Superman comic books.

      • Citizen says:

        Oops, loan FROM China.

      • Walid says:

        The US is also paying interest on the billions it gives to Israel at the start of each year since it’s money that the US has to borrow. I can’t understand how the American public goes along with this absurdity that equally extends to Egypt that has received about 50 billions in US aid since the peace was signed. I don’t know if you have to admire the American taxpayers for their great generosity or feel sorry for them.

  8. Walid says:

    Sad about those 1000 California vet suicides in the NYT article, Citizen. If those are triple the actual deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, what does this mean in terms of other suicides in the rest of America over the same 3-year period?

  9. yonira says:

    The newest Wikileaks documents prove that Iran helped Iraqi insurgents who were directly involved in many US deaths. If the US goes to war with Iran it will be because Iran was involved in the death of American troops.

    Any war with Iran wouldn’t require the ground forces we see in Iraq or Afghanistan, this won’t be a war of occupation, it will be a war primarily fought in the air, bombing the infrastructure of Iran back to the stone ages.

    There is no need to occupy a country whose populous is against the regime in power.

    link to bit.ly

    link to bit.ly

    • tree says:

      … bombing the infrastructure of Iran back to the stone ages.

      There is no need to occupy a country whose populous is against the regime in power.

      Yup, we’ll “bomb them back to the stone age”, and the Iranians will greet us with flowers and love. Because there’s nothing more appealing to a country’s populace than causing massive death and destruction to their country. This idea of yours is morally sick as well as hopelessly deluded.

      • yonira says:

        I didn’t say they will great us with flowers and love, I didn’t say they would greet us at all. You do you remember the Kosovo war, no? No occupation there, just lots of bombing. This is what the US/allies will do.

        • tree says:

          Nato didn’t bomb Yugoslavia “back to the stone ages”. To claim that they did is a-historical. Iran is not attacking anyone nor is it threatening anyone, in contrast to what Yugoslavia was doing at the time. And if you think that NATO or the US is well regarded in the former Yugoslavia you are ill-informed.

          There will be blowback from any US or Israel attack on Iran. Your idea that the Iranians will thank us for bombing their country is ludicrous and supremely ignorant of human nature, as well as being morally reprehensible.

        • Walid says:

          What NATO did to Yugoslavia is nothing to brag about. It’s now doing the same thing over Afghanistan and people there are starting to wonder which ones are the bad guys. It’s not very edifying to have one’s air force practice the art of war by bombing civilians as in the 2 countries mentioned or to test new arms on the civilians of Gaza and Lebanon as Israel did in 2006 and again over Gaza at the end of 2008. Let’s hope Israel and the US don’t have any new weapons needing testing for a while. Seems now they are busy with the remote control stuff on the civilians over Afghanistan and Pakistan.

        • yonira says:

          Tree,

          will you comment on the Wikileaks info on Iran’s direct involvement in training and equiping insurgents in Iraq, which were directly responsible for deaths of US soldiers? You guys are notorious for arguing the side points of our arguments but never touching the crux of them. It is a petty way to try and prove you are ‘right.’

        • tree says:

          Yonira,

          Your original post is way off topic so you’ve got some idiotic nerve to complain that people aren’t addressing the point in your off-topic post that YOU want addressed.

          But here’s my response to your petty attempt to change the subject. The US had years of direct involvement in training and equipping insurgents in Afghanistan in the early 1980′s. This was responsible for numerous deaths of Russian soldiers. If you think that it is acceptable behavior for a country that is engaged in battle on foreign soil to bomb other countries because they choose to assist native insurgents then you must agree that it would have been morally acceptable for the USSR to bomb the US “back to the stone age”. We have been involved in numerous instances of interference in other countries, causing innumerable deaths. If anyone deserves to be “bombed back to the stone age” for such actions (and I, for one, disagree vehemently with your assertion they should be) then it must be the US. And Israel would deserve the same treatment. You’re just too insensitive to realize that you are advocating for mass killings for something that you condone when the US or Israel does it.

          If you think that

        • tree says:

          And the Wikileaks info about Iranian involvement is nothing new. You are just reading and parroting hasbara sites again that are trying to use the information to stoke up support for killing a lot of innocent people that you have no sympathy for. Shame on you.

        • Donald says:

          “ill you comment on the Wikileaks info on Iran’s direct involvement in training and equiping insurgents in Iraq, which were directly responsible for deaths of US soldiers? ”

          I haven’t read about this yet, but assuming it’s true, it’s a mark of the insane narcissism of some Americans that they would think they have the right to invade Iraq for no good reason and then be upset because Iran supports some factions within Iraq, given that Iraq is right next door and involved in a US-encouraged war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Iran has vastly more incentive to be involved in supporting factions in Iraq than we have.

          So if Americans don’t want American troops to be killed by people supported by other people living in the country next door, to the one we invade, then maybe we shouldn’t be invading countries thousands of miles away for no good reason. But that’s just me with my crazy notions.

        • MRW says:

          will you comment on the Wikileaks info on Iran’s direct involvement in training and equiping insurgents in Iraq

          Provide a link. You haven’t have read the papers. There are 400,000 of them = 80 boxes = 100 cu ft., and they were released yesterday. The site was down for hours.

          At a minute a page, that’s 6,666 hours to read them. (Some newspapers have had them for two months, 60 days.)

          Reading solidly for eight hours a day, that would take you, or any journalist, 833 days to read them, skim them. That’s over two years, so go sell what you claim they detail to an idiot who will buy it.

        • Shingo says:

          “will you comment on the Wikileaks info on Iran’s direct involvement in training and equiping insurgents in Iraq, which were directly responsible for deaths of US soldiers? ”

          Yes Yoni,

          The Wikileaks documens were raw intel, which has not been vetted or fact checked. For example, the crap about Iraqi WMD was raw intel that had not been vetted.

        • Shingo says:

          BTW. Yonira,

          The US is asking Iran for help to bring Iran under control, which kinda debunks the BS that Iran are killing US troops.

        • yonira says:

          Yeah, of course it is nothing new Tree. Sure these were documents which were classified and never seen by the public before, but yes, nothing new.

          As for changing the subject, the original post was about Iran’s involvement in the death of American soldiers, quit being dishonest. Also why are YOU changing the subject bring in Afghanistan, we aren’t talking about Afghanistan, we are talking Iran and dead US soldiers.

        • tree says:

          As for changing the subject, the original post was about Iran’s involvement in the death of American soldiers, quit being dishonest.

          You are either seriously deluded, incapable of reading, or a liar. Look at the heading of this thread. Viva Palestina’s ‘Lifeline 5′ convoy reaches Gaza,. Show me where Iran, Wikileaks, or American soldiers are mentioned anywhere in the post by Eva. They aren’t . You are wildly off-topic and have the nerve to accuse others of what you are guilty of. I won’t bother waiting for your apology. I don’t think you are grown-up enough to offer it.

        • Danaa says:

          Yonira, your sudden concern for American soldiers is truly touching. And your supercilious patriotism is almost israeli-like in its preumptuouseness. You must be a quick learner….

    • annie says:

      they don’t prove a thing yonira and all of that is old news. american knew damn well saddam kicked out many shia during the iran /iraq war. many of the hakim’s forces were trained in iran, they had a name, the badr brigade. it was the plan to empower them to get rid of the sunni. they knew sadr had iranian connection too. where were you when the news was that iran was smuggling weapons into iraq? were they? i don’t know, but the neocons said they were which is of course what the ‘leaks’ allege. so what’s surprising about that?

      They claim Iranian intelligence officers served inside Iraq, at one point manning checkpoints with local militias

      gee, ya think? like maybe down around basra? hello.

      American leaders have both claimed the existence of such links and backed away from them.

      like over and over and over.

      But a threat report in the files dated Nov 17, 2006 claims that new techniques for suicide bombing, a favoured al-Qaeda and Sunni insurgent practice in Iraq, had “surfaced” in Iran and Syria.

      and THAT yonira, is proof of nothing.

      Almost 400,000 documents obtained by WikiLeaks.org also document cases of U.S. military officials failing to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and murder by Iraqi security forces

      oh, you mean the black and decker torture/killing technique? and why doesn’t this surprise me. maybe you should do a little research on mercenaries working w/those same badr brigade. i guess you were sleeping during the war, like i said this is old news.

      If the US goes to war with Iran it will be because Iran was involved in the death of American troops.

      oh yawn. if the US goes to war with iran it will be because neocons have been pressuring/begging for it for years, they don’t need no excuse!

      • yonira says:

        Annie,

        I was talking about one thing, Iran’s involvement in killing US soldiers. But I don’t see any of you guys doing anything but making excuses for them.

        • annie says:

          excuses? who needs excuses. OF COURSE they were targeting US forces. what’s up? you wanna discuss iraq 06? here’s an iraqi blogger

          I worked in the news field when I was in Baghdad and I always mentioned to colleagues how quick and organized the shift from Sunni insurgents to the Shiite Mehdi army in the news and feature stories. I noticed that suddenly, as if the green light was given by someone, newspapers started to follow the Mehdi army. In almost any news story written over the last year, you will find the Mehdi army blamed or at least mentioned in suspicion of the possibility for involvement in killing Iraqis. Amazing. Even when storied talked about something entirely far from where the Mehdi army operates, the story would say something like: on the other hand, the Mehdi army, a Shiite militia linked t firebrand anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, operates death squads just across the river. OR SOMETIMES SOMETHING MORE FUNNY.

          Do you know how many militias operate in Iraq now? How many groups are killing Iraqis now? I don’t know, and the Americans in Iraq don’t know as long as those militias are not involved in killing Americans. They know exactly how many insurgents groups in Iraq, because those attack American soldiers. But when it comes to militias, they are amazingly blind!

          Ok, I know there is the Badr troops, which is the military wing of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, or SCIRI. ……..Badr troops are more dangerous than Mehdi army. The Mehdi army members are thugs and uneducated, hungry and unemployed young men from Sadr city. While the Badr troops members are organized, numbered, Iranian-raised and educated young monsters, who are trained to kill, ONLY. And they are playing the biggest role in the sectarian and civil war Iraq nowadays.

          Why isn’t the “smart” Americans paying attention to Badr troops? Why every raid should target the Mehdi army and never Badr troops offices? What? Badr criminals can operate and kill my people and the Mehdi army can’t? Why?

          I cant tell you why: because if Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of SCIRI and Badr troops, is pissed off, that means Iran will be angry. And when Iran is angry, that’s not good. It is because if the Badr troops people are asked to take off Baghdad, they will. And the Americans cannot risk that.

          and who empowered iran in iraq???? we did. take a look at that guys face yonira. that’s our doing.

          If a civil war were to happen in Iraq, “our Sunni brothers will be the ones to lose the most.”

          That’s what Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the most powerful criminal group in Iraq, The Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, said last week.

          What a powerful, full of hidden and obvious meaning sentence that was. I wonder how many hours or days he had to think about it to make it as smooth as it sounded when he said it.

          Now we turned into a new era in Iraq. It is time to go public and threaten each other. Because you know what, the Unite States is, again, backing this up.
          …..

          Why when the poisonous turbaned snake, Hakim, publicly threatened his “brothers” the Sunnis, the government did not oppose?

          hakim was invited into the white house. now the big ‘leak’ is that there’s 400,000 documents obtained including document cases of U.S. military officials failing to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and murder by Iraqi security forces . don’t you kinda wonder why????? maybe because we were supporting those iranian backed thugs, the very same thugs trained by those in war w/saddam for 8 years, unleasged on iraq. we don’t mimd that kind of genocide as long as it isn’t directed at us, in fact..we supported them. we empowered them, we just stupidly thought they’d turn into our lapdogs, or something. 8 years iran can’t win that war . we get there and hand them iraq on a platter. this is elliot abrams style peace thru civil war.

        • Shingo says:

          “I was talking about one thing, Iran’s involvement in killing US soldiers.”

          There is no Iranian involvement in killing US soldiers.

          “But I don’t see any of you guys doing anything but making excuses for them.”

          I don’t see any of you guys doing anything to provide any evidence other than relying on official Pentagon talking points.

        • annie says:

          another thing yonira, perhaps you missed the newswek article called the salvador option.

          The Salvador Option was a term quoted in a January 8, 2005 article in Newsweek[1]. This phrase was used to refer to options then being intensely debated in Pentagon and Iraqi government circles for dealing with the rapidly growing insurgency movement in Iraq, drawing an explicit analogy to the U.S. military involvement in El Salvador, in which quasi-official death squads were instrumental in bringing a decade-long war against FMLN to a close.

          so no i am not surprised in the least we didn’t investigate hundreds if not thousands of cases.

        • annie says:

          There is no Iranian involvement in killing US soldiers.

          shingo, maybe you should read this entire link before saying that. to the degree we installed iranian backed iraqis w/iranian trained militias….don’t you remember all the trouble the US had ‘training’ those iraqi troops.

          He went into exile in Iran in 1980, where he was a founding member in 1982 of SIIC and headed their military wing, the Badr Organization. He was the top candidate listed for the United Iraqi Coalition during the first Iraqi legislative election of January 2005 but did not seek a government post because the Alliance had decided not to include theologians in the government.[2]. He had longstanding ties with Iran but was also a supporter of the American invasion of Iraq. Mr. Hakim led the group’s militia and fought on the side of Iran in the eight-year war with Iraq. SIIC is considered to be one the main Shia Muslim groups jockeying for power in post-war Iraq. The group had, until recently, been based in Iran and owed much to the conservative clerics ruling Iran who have funded the organisation for 20 years. Many Iraqis loathed SIIC especially during the eight-year war between Iraq and Iran in 1980.

          this is who we empowered in iraq to get rid of the baath. them and the peshmerga.

      • Shingo says:

        “But a threat report in the files dated Nov 17, 2006 claims that new techniques for suicide bombing, a favoured al-Qaeda and Sunni insurgent practice in Iraq, had “surfaced” in Iran and Syria. ”

        Good point. It has been carried out by AQ affiliated groups like Jundula, who the US are supporting.

    • Walid says:

      “… bombing the infrastructure of Iran back to the stone ages.”

      Interesting vocabulary. Must be what Israel was doing over Gaza with a dramatic name like “Cast Lead”.

    • Shingo says:

      “The newest Wikileaks documents prove that Iran helped Iraqi insurgents who were directly involved in many US deaths.”

      Correction: the documents showed that raw US intel that made clams to that affect

      ” If the US goes to war with Iran it will be because Iran was involved in the death of American troops.”

      Correction: If the US goes to war with Iran it will be because of Israel. Every excuse given for attacking Iran is about non existent nukes, not American troops.

      “Any war with Iran wouldn’t require the ground forces we see in Iraq or Afghanistan, this won’t be a war of occupation, it will be a war primarily fought in the air, bombing the infrastructure of Iran back to the stone ages.”

      While it’s no surprise that you are endorsing such a gratuitous war crime against civlians (consitent with the poicies of your beloved Israel) no war has ever been won from the air. In fact, short of dropping nukes, not even the US could inflict this damage on Iran.

      “There is no need to occupy a country whose populous is against the regime in power.”

      I’m sure masacring that population and bombing them to the stone age will produce a wonmderful demoracy.

      Someone mentioned recently that you are supposed to be th emost reasonable fo the Zionists on this blog, yet you demonstrate once against that Zionism is litel more than collective sociopathy.

    • talknic says:

      yonira “The newest Wikileaks documents prove that Iran helped Iraqi …….”

      They prove there were allegations

      //http://bit.ly/azs3hb

      Hundreds of documents outline the intelligence, of variable quality, on which the Americans have based allegations

      It is not clear how credible the intelligence cited is considered, and there are no reports of camera-equipped suicide vests being found//

      link to bit.ly is more condemning of the US than anything else

  10. Walid says:

    Citizen, about Israel wanting the US to bomb Iran or needing permission to do it itself, there’s a lot of good cop-bad cop shit that goes down between Israel and the US or if you prefer between the US and Israel. I’m still not convinced that the Osirak bombing wasn’t ordered up the US or even flown by the US using Israeli markings on their planes. Something like this was done before in 56 when the British, French and Israelis did a number over Suez and the French did the actual bombing using their own planes that had had their markings changed from the tricolor to the Star of David. I doubt very much that Israel would dare whisper anything about Iran without a prior US approval. The plan to re-draw the Middle East is an American one with the Israelis tagging along as parasites to reap some of the benefits as in Iraq. Israel would take the fall for bombing Iran but the US would block any action in the UNSC; a perfect combination. That’s what you had in 2006 happen in Lebanon.

  11. piotr says:

    Leaked documents prove what leakers want them to prove. Like the proof that Saddam tried to buy uranium in Niger, which was not even a good forgery.

    We also support at least two terrorists groups making attacks inside Iran. Doing low grade shit to each other is the rule of the game. Now, high grade shit like “bombing to stone age” is not cost free. We do not know if Iran can stop the oil from exiting Persian Gulf: do we want to learn it the hard way?

    Half of Afghanistan has local Persian speaking majority, and this is the half where we have less trouble. Do we want to learn what can happen there?

    The balance of forces was much more favorable for IDF when they attacked Lebanon than we would have if we would attack Iran. And the blowback can fall in Iraq, Hormuz, Afghanistan, Pakistan, even Turkey and Arabian side of the Gulf (with quite a few Shia). And draft would not help much. Ground war in the mountains of Iran? Do we want to send a million troops for a “long hard slog”?

    I keep wondering: where these blood thirsty fantasies come from?

  12. eljay says:

    What’s happened with this site? In the past week or so the Zio-supremacists have been bombarding this site with dozens upon dozens of throw-away trolling posts. Why are the moderators allowing these people to post unsupported assertions or outright lies that have been de-bunked time and again?

    • Donald says:

      “What’s happened with this site? In the past week or so the Zio-supremacists have been bombarding this site with dozens upon dozens of throw-away trolling posts. Why are the moderators allowing these people to post unsupported assertions or outright lies that have been de-bunked time and again?”

      It’s a credit to this blog that the front page posts are nearly always of high quality and worth reading. Many of the comments are also worth reading, but that’s icing on the cake. It’s a political website, so you’d expect a certain amount of bovine fecal matter in the comments section (I am now mixing my metaphors)–it’s true at almost any political blog I’ve ever read.

      • eljay says:

        >> It’s a credit to this blog that the front page posts are nearly always of high quality and worth reading.

        I agree.

        >> Many of the comments are also worth reading …

        I agree again.

        >> It’s a political website, so you’d expect a certain amount of bovine fecal matter in the comments section …

        I’d have no concerns about the fecal matter if it weren’t for the fact that there’s supposedly a moderating policy in effect. It’s one thing for a maxNaryonijonahophmi to post vapid and unsupported assertions once, but to be permitted to pollute this site with numerous such posts – especially given prior de-bunking of said assertions – makes no sense and is of no value to this site.

        Just an observation…