Ken O'Keefe responds to Richard Goldstone's assertion in the Washington Post that Israel's January 2009 attack on the al-Samouni family, killing 29, was an accident by interviewing several members of the extended family in Gaza, and asking, Was it an accident? The piece includes graphic video from Cast Lead showing children with bullet wounds to the chest. Some excerpts:
Amal Atiah Samouni:They entered our home and shot us, the kids. They shot my brother Ahmed twice in the chest and he died the next day. This could not be an accident
Abduallah Atiah Samouni. It cannot be an accident because they killed my father at a small distance. How could this be an accident. Also we were calling the ambulance and they were banning them from entering the area. How could this be an accident, when they were stopping the ambulance from helping us?
Subhi Mahommed Samouni: We spend the last 60 years with the silence of the world... We thought that they would raise their voices and say something. People, women and kids were murdered here... If this happened in Israel... all the world would step up. Why isn't this happening? Because we are Palestinians. Because we don't have rights?
Ezat Imad Samouni: That was not by mistake at all... And if he is talking like this, he is one of them.
Shabaan Rashad Samouni: It is like 100 percent not an accident. They did that on purpose, I lost my mom, my dad, and two brothers.
Zeinat Abduallah Samouni: Any human could know the right thing from the wrong things. They killed my husband...I don't know why he's doing this. I don't know if they threatened him or something...
Mona Talal Samouni: They can go to hell... When he came here, he told them he was in solidarity with the Samouni family and he really appreciates to help them and to prove to the world what happened here. But he was lying.
How do you like them egg rolls, Mr. Goldstone?
He can’t hear you. He’s to busy being wined and dined by the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
Not the Foreign Minister Chaos, he isn’t happy at all about Yishai inviting Goldstone to Israel. The office of PM and FM weren’t even approached about the invitation.
The guardian has an interesting editorial on Goldstone
link to guardian.co.uk
There are also some interesting comments on that Guardian piece. Can anyone verify the identity of this commentor:
“I was shocked and dismayed to read the editorial by the Guardian and some of the posts in response to the news story and editorial on Richard Goldstein’s reversal of his original charges..
My involvement begin in Jenin where I was working with a very liberal NGO (basically pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli) when the PA hospital administrator and I estimated that total Palestinian fatalities numbered 60 (the actual number turned out to be 58). The Palestinian Authority claimed “massacre” and that there were mass graves. The UN the US State Department and the world press bought these charges, and Israel was roundly condemned. A person by person analysis showed that the majority of these dead were fighters and most of the women and youth had been those that stayed behind to load ammunition and provide support for the gunmen.
During operation cast lead I was assigned by the military to monitor Israeli activities. We did this both by visual and audio surveillance. We found that the Israelis were monitoring Palestinian casualties person by person. Their number turned out to be more accurate than the Hamas reported numbers. We investigated the white phosphorus charge and determined it was bogus. We were surprised that Israel did not cooperate with the UN since Israel had a strong case. However, the pre-investigation remarks by the UN panel indicated that Israel was correct––this was not an independent group and was a group of Israel bashers.
Subsequent to this there was a investigation by a UN committee of independent experts-chaired by former New York judge Mary McGowan Davis. This report was available to the UN and to any media outlets that desired to review it. We reviewed it and found it thorough and comprehensive. We are surprised that the Guardian renewed charges without thoroughly reviewing all the evidence. Most of the Goldstone “evidence” was obtained from Hamas sources and from Hamas controlled “eyewitnesses”.
Having written for Time magazine, the New York Times, the Washington Post and having served as an advisor to Katharine Graham on editorial quality at the Washington Post and later as a advisor to the Los Angeles Times, I am concerned with the credibility of the press.
I regret that the Guardian appears to be pursuing a bias rather than pursuing the facts . I believe that your readers such as me deserve better.”
His ID is LTCOLHOWARD.
Now you’re peddling disinformation from an anonymous poster.
“Does anyone know the identity of this poster?” You smugly ask.
You could have just written: I’m not sure how to sneak this information onto this thread while not making a mockery of myself. So I’ll just ask an innocent sounding question.
I can compose an official sounding statement charging you with bank robbery. Would that make it true?
I’ll be more than happy to do it, just to illustrate the banality of your post.
Such a hack.
Sure, I can verify his identity. He is, in reality, a cocker spaniel.
That’s the beauty of internet anonymity. You can take on any old screen name, make any sort of shit up, and nobody knows that you’re actually a dog.
link to israelinsider.net
That guy has watched too many Jack Bauer episodes.
I particularly like the opening claim. Note the phraseology:
That’s some serious embedding.
i love this guys bio!
but according to his post he is also a writer for
so he’s an adviser to 2 major news orgs as well as contributing writer (reporter, op eds?) he’s works for ngo’s inside refugee camps, he teaches engineering, public health, economics and he’s a col in the military! this sounds like a project from the israel project media fellowship!
first create an expert, make ‘him’ a website, write letters in his name that sound authoritative ( harvard grad no less but make him anonymous iow don’t give him a first name), place them in comment sections around the web and then get more minions from your fellowship to link to the comment section or place the comments in other well traffic’d blogs!
why didn’t i think of this! guilty feat and ddi, do you think we are idiots?
“why didn’t i think of this! guilty feat and ddi, do you think we are idiots?”
LOL I’m not actually endorsing this guy, he’s clearly a delusional Hasbara hack.
sorry ddi, i should be thanking you for providing us with this hysterical link and here i am implicating you in the agenda. i spoke to soon, my apologies. great sleuthing!
My follow up comment was originally written several hours ago but moderated for some reason where I agreed with Avi and Chaos that he seems like a Hasbara plant.
I apologize for pasting the whole comment in the first place, but I was genuinely asking if anyone had come across this user in the past.
After I posted I started searching and I couldn’t find any corroborating evidence at all.
There was no intention (at least on my part) to fool anyone.
ddi,
Thanks for they information on our friend (likely a phantom person) COLHOWARD from Torrence, CA.
“Advisor and professor to more than 1000 Islamic students at the graduate level in engineering, public health, economics, etc….”
So he is also a “Professor” of graduate level engineering, public health, economics and so much more! An expert in everything!
I imagine that message was written for him/it to post around the internet, in the hopes it becomes viral disinformation.
Delusional and pathetically fake as that crude “go back to Auschwitz” line the IDF dubbed into the Mavi Marmara recording.
With tactics like that, how can the world take anything the IDF says as truth?
It is getting more and more desperate for the Ziobots to now have to create a LTCOLHOWARD.
A jack of all trades and and a master of none.
Oh! You know in retrospect, this guy sounds like someone I sparred with on Huffington Post back before they started banning people for posting actual factual stuff about Israel or confronting racist anti-Arab comments openly. I doubt this is the same guy but “I’m Jack Bauer!” is a common trope among these sort of hasbarats.
The guy I had the dubious pleasure of interacting with — Michale32086 — was banned twice. I don’t know why he was banned the first time (hopefully it was for thread spamming, which he was prone to do with excessive formatting within his comments), but the second time he got booted because he made an offhand comment about wanting Obama’s presidency to end like Kennedy’s.
Edwin,
It is a bogus posting. Any individual who worked in an official capacity as this Howard states he or she did, would not sign LTCOLHOWARD. First this is not the proper signature for a Lt. Col. Second, when doing so, they would sign off with which miliatary sevice, division and unit.
I.e. COL MIL USA MEDCOM (AND UNIT)
“We reviewed it and found it…..” Who is we? This bogus LTCOLHOWARD???
And what was the UN Committee? It is not stated because the letter is a Hasbarabot…a mirage, false information put out there to be smeared around like a pile of ……
I mean to direct my posting to Guilty F…. (sorry Edwin)
“. . . having served as an advisor to Katharine Graham on editorial quality at the Washington Post . . . ”
That’s all you need to know to realize the poster is a hack.
LOL! That part could actually be true and he’d still be hack!
There was another family in 2006 before Cast Lead that suffered a similar fate, when this happens once it is one thing – when it happens repeatedly it is something entirely different. I remember writing about it like yesterday, it is still fresh in my mind, and the conclusions remain the same whether before or after Cast lead and it shows the complicity of all factions in Israel in the killing of 18 family members –
“I apologize for not putting this in the upper text, but what we have here is a war crime, plain and simple – I was too upset to bring this out when I originally posted this. Let it be known that war conventions necessitate the safety of civilians.
What makes this crass are two points – first, Israel initially had a 300 meter rule for firing shells of this nature because the accuracy of these projectiles is usually a couple of hundred meters off. Earlier this year they purposefully reduced their guidelines to 100 meters – you see the results. Second, shells of this nature must only be fired when there is a immanent threat – according to Israelis own command confession, the rockets they alleged were fired the day before!
This tell us two things – what was done was a bold faced war crime. It also tells us how valuable Zionists believe Palestinian lives to be, worthless. It reminds one of the statement many years ago of Menachem Begin (previous prime minister) – “Palestinians are animals walking on two legs.” The question that this evokes is simple – does someone who acts this way, and obviously believes that the Palestinians are worthless (by this very present atrocity) deserve to run a government, let alone the fourth most powerful military force in the world? Justice must roll like a river.”
SHELLED IN YOUR SLEEP – GAZA
How many Palestinian families have been killed in their homes in Gaza? How many?
“between 1pm on 8 January 2009 and 2:30pm today, 10 January 2009…
1. North Gaza District:
The IOF fired at several targets during the unilaterally declared ceasefire. At 2:35pm on Thursday 8 January 2009 Israeli troops opened machine gun fire at houses in the al-Bora neighborhood, east of Beit Hanoun, killing a civilian inside his house. He was identified as 42-year-old Jamal Ahmed Nashwan. Earlier, at 1:40pm on the same day, Israeli troops opened fire at a convoy encompassing two UN armored vehicles and an ambulance. The convoy was on its way to recover the body of a maintenance worker for UNRWA [the UN agency for Palestine refugees], whom the IOF had killed inside his house four days ago. The convoy, which had international staff in it, could not recover the victim, who was identified as Samir Rashid Mohammed.
At approximately 3:40pm on Thursday 8 January 2009 medical teams recovered the bodies of four civilians who had been killed in Israeli shelling of the al-Atatra neighborhood, southwestern Beit Lahia. Medical sources said that the victims had been killed many days ago and their bodies had started to decompose. Three of them, all children, were identified as:
One-and-a-half-year-old girl Shahd Abu Halemeh (her body was completely burnt);
17-year-old Mohammed Hekmat Abu Halemeh; and
17-year-old Matar Sadallah Abu Halemeh.
At approximately 3:45pm, during the ceasefire it had announced, IOF fired an artillery shell that landed near homes in eastern Jabaliya. No injuries or casualties were reported.
At approximately 5:15pm, also Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Yousef al-Qarra in Ezbet Abed-Rabu, eastern Jabaliya, and destroyed it completely. No casualties or injuries were reported.
At approximately 9:05pm Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Msallam Abu Selah, which is located in Jabaliya refugee camp, destroying it and three neighboring houses completely. Ten minutes later, IOF fired artillery shells towards homes in eastern Jabaliya.
At approximately 9:40pm Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Ahmad al-Batsh, located near Jabaliya’s eastern cemetery, destroying the three-story house completely, causing damage to three neighboring houses and injuring three people.
At approximately 10:10pm Thursday, Israeli aircrafts raided the house of Ziyad al-Masri, located to the west of Beit Lahia’s cemetery, destroying it. An Israeli drone had fired a warning missile at the house a few minutes earlier.
At approximately 10:30pm Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Salih al-Batsh in the middle of Jabaliya town, destroying the two-story house, damaging three other houses and injuring two people.
At approximately 11pm, also Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Abdul-Rahman Ahmad, which is located near Beit Lahia’s police station. The house was completely destroyed and two neighboring houses were damaged.
At approximately 6:20pm, also Thursday, Israeli aircraft raided the house of Ahmad Abu Hasannein in Block Two of Jabaliya refugee camp. The house was completely destroyed and burnt. This was the second time IOF bombarded this house.
Ten minutes after this attack, IOF fired artillery towards house in Tel al-Zatar neighborhood in Jabaliya. A shell hit the house of Dr. Ahmad al-Hawajri, causing severe damage to it.
At approximately 12:10am on Friday, 9 January 2009, Israeli aircrafts raided the house of Ghazi Ilyan, east of Beit Lahia cemetery, destroying it and damaging three neighboring houses.
At approximately 3:30am on Friday, Israeli aircrafts raided the house of Fayiz Salha with a heavy missile. An IOF drone had fired a warning missile two minutes earlier. The inhabitants did not manage to leave the house before the major bombardment, therefore, six of its residents were killed, including four children and two women. They were identified as:
One-year-old girl Rola Fayiz Salha;
Four-and-a-half-year-old boy Baha Fayiz Salha;
12-year-old girl Rana Fayiz Salha; and
14-year-old boy Dyia Fayiz Salha;
22-year-old Fatima al-Haw;
33-year-old Randa Fayiz Salha.
Twenty-two-year-old Fatima had come to her sister’s house seeking safety after IOF bombardment of her neighborhood. The house was completely destroyed and four neighboring homes were damaged in this attack.
At approximately 8:30am Friday, Israeli aircrafts fired missiles onto an open field near houses in the Faluja neighborhood of Jabaliya. Two women were killed in this attack: Fatima Saeed Saad and Sumaya Saad. A girl child was also injured in the same house.
Half an hour later, IOF fired artillery shells that released white smoke onto the neighborhood of Tel al-Zatar in Jabaliya. Al Mezan’s field worker reported that the shells exploded in the air before they landed, and released thick white smoke. Many people suffered from difficulty breathing as a result. The Center has not been able to identify the ammunition used in this attack.
In Beit Hanoun, IOF tanks fired machine gun fire towards homes in the vicinity of the Agricultural School, injuring one woman.
At approximately 9:50am Friday, IOF fired artillery towards houses in the al-Nour Street in Jabaliya town, killing a 12-year-old girl. She was identified as Alaa Fathi Jaber. Eight other civilians were injured, including three children and two women.
At approximately 10am on Friday, Israeli aircraft raided two houses owned by the brother Ezadin and Nahidh Abu al-Hasaneh, both located in the Gaza-Jabaliya Street in Jabaliya town. As a result, a 15-year-old Mohammed Atif Abu al-Hasaneh was killed. The two houses were completely destroyed and several other houses were damaged.
At approximately 11am on Friday, IOF fired artillery shells at houses in the same street. A shell hit a house and killed Hisham Mahmoud Mansour inside his house.
Later, IOF fired six artillery shells that exploded close to the Beit Lahia Treatment Plant. Two shells hit the rubble embankment that keeps sewage water from homes in Beit Lahia. If these walls collapse, the entire town of Beit Lahia could be drowned by over 60 million cubic meters of sewage.
At approximately 12pm on Friday, an Israeli F-16 aircraft fired a heavy missile at a house owned by Mousa Rida Hamad, which is located near al-Ajami Mosque in Beit Hanoun town. The house was completely destroyed and three neighboring houses were damaged.
At approximately 12:20pm on Friday, an Israeli F-16 aircraft raided the house of Ammar al-Zaaneen in Beit Hanoun, destroying it completely and causing damage to two neighboring houses. No injuries or casualties were reported.
Ten minutes after this raid, an Israeli F-16 aircraft raided the house of Hussein al-Zaaneen, destroying it completely and causing damage to four neighboring houses. No injuries or casualties were reported.
At approximately 12:45pm on Friday, Israeli aircrafts raided the area near the Directorate of Education in Beit Lahia, killing a civilian, 60-year-old Mohammed Mubarak Salih, and injuring his wife, 59-year-old Halima Salih.
At approximately 1:40pm, also on Friday, Israeli aircrafts raided the Hawouz Hill in Northern Beit Hanoun, killing 17-year-old child Ahmad Abu Ikleek, who was near his house in nearby Ezbet Beit Hanoun neighborhood. Later, the body of Ibrahim Rayhan was received at Kamal Udwan Hospital in Beit Lahia. He died from wounds at al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City on that same day.
At approximately 1:09pm on Friday, Israeli troops fired artillery shells at houses in Ezbet Abed-Rabu, eastern Jabaliya. No injuries or casualties were reported in this attack, which occurred during the unilaterally declared ceasefire announced by the IOF.
At approximately 5:45pm on Friday, Israeli aircraft fired missiles at the house Juma al-Najjar in Jabaliya town, destroying it and damaging several neighboring houses. Later, at 6:57, aircrafts raided the house of Mohammed Rayyan in Tel al-Zaatar neighborhood in Jabaliya, destroying it completely, and causing damage to three houses.
Later, also on Friday, Israeli troops fired artillery shells at houses in the east of Jabaliya. Fire started in four houses and 10 civilians were injured, most of whom were women and children. IOF opened fire at the fire brigade as it tried to reach the area, forcing it to return without fighting the fire.
At approximately 11:05pm on Friday, Israeli aircraft fired missiles at the house of Abdul-Karim Abu Matar in Jabaliya refugee camp, destroying the house and causing damage to many other houses.
At approximately 5pm Friday, medical sources announced the death of 25-year-old Ahmad al-Makadma, who was injured in an IOF attack in Beit Lahia.
Later, at 11:30pm, IOF troops fired artillery shells at the al-Salatin neighborhood in Beit Lahia, killing 30-year-old Usama Juma. At approximately the same time, medical sources announced the death of a six-year-old girl, Baraah Iyad Shalha, and a 20-year-old man, Usama Badr. Both were injured on the previous day as the IOF bombarded the house of Abu al-Jidyan in Beit Lahia.
Later, Israeli aircraft raided two houses in Jabaliya and destroyed them completely. Many other houses were damaged. At 3:30am Saturday, 10 January 2009, Israeli aircraft raided the Beit Lahia market, causing damage to about 30 shops.
At approximately 4pm on Saturday, Israeli aircrafts raided the house of Zuhdi Abu Amsha, injuring 18 people. Later, at 7:40pm, aircraft raided the house of Ibrahim Abu Ihmidan in Tel al-Zaatar neighborhood in Jabaliya, killing three people, who were identified as:
37-year-old Dawoud Asalyia;
40-year-old Ibrahum Asalyia; and
60-year-old Ibrahim Abu Ihmidan.
At 9am on Saturday, medical teams found the body of a 16-year-old child, Mohammed Jaber Iliyan, under the rubble of his house, which IOF had bombarded on Friday.
At 11:54am on Saturday, IOF troops fired artillery shells at houses on Abed-Rabu Street in eastern Jabaliya. Shells hit the house of Judeh Abed-Rabu, killing seven people from the same family. They were identified as:
17-year-old Hamid Mahfouz Abed-Rabu;
16-year-old Yusri Mahmoud Abed-Rabu;
18-year-old Mohammed Ribhi Abed-Rabu;
38-year-old Ramiz Jamal Abed-Rabu;
25-year-old Sami Mohammed Abed-Rabu;
47-year-old Sufyan Abdul-Hay Abed-Rabu; and
45-year-old woman Randa Jamal Abed-Rabu.
Another person from the same family was also critically injured in this same attack. Later at noon on Saturday, medical sources announced the death of an 11-year-old girl, Ghanima Sultan Halawa, who was injured from IOF bombardment earlier in Jabaliya-Gaza Street in Jabaliya town.
At 12:10pm on Saturday, IOF troops fired artillery shells at houses in eastern Beit Lahia. A shell hit the house of Mohammed Baba and killed a 30-year-old woman, Anaam Abed Baba. Three other inhabitants were also injured.
At approximately 4pm Saturday, Israeli snipers opened fire at a 15-year-old boy, Wisam Ibrahim Nabhan, killing him in the al-Isra neighborhood east of Beit Lahia.
2. Gaza City District:…”
CIVILIANS DELIBERATELY TARGETED
How many?
Ken O’Keefe blames 9/11 on the Mossad.
Why should we take anything he writes seriously?
he didn’t write that video. those are palestinian voices. those children were there.
“Ken O’Keefe blames 9/11 on the Mossad.”
From what I’ve seen of O’Keefe, that’s not his position on the matter. I don’t suppose you can quote him to support your claim, can you?
See this video, saying “inside job”, USA and Israel did it, ludicrous to suppose Al Quaida did it, etc.
I’ve seen that discussion, and yes he says “inside job,” which is blaming people within the US establishment for 9/11, not Mossad. Granted, he goes on to suggest the people behind the attacks had assistance from intelligence agencies including Mossad, but in contradiction to what Western Sky and the Jewbashers who titled that video you linked claim, O’Keefe clearly refutes the suggestion that Israel was behind 9/11.
I’m not saying one way or another whether Israel carried out the attacks or had foreknowledge and preferred not to share that information with the US. Still, perhaps you can explain this:
link to haaretz.com
Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message.
hmm
I love how the same nonsense is copied, rinsed, and repeated on this site at an alarming rate.
Mossad did 9/11, Odigo, no Jews in the WTC, Israelis dancing, it is repeated on here at least once a month.
Anyone but Arab terrorists, that is basically been the talking points on this site since I started commenting. I haven’t seen a single occasion where someone actually blamed an Arab for anything.
Kinda does a number on your credibility no? I guess credibility isn’t that important when you preach to the choir.
That’s not true. What about all the comments you have made?
“…so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message.
hmm”
Yeah, it’s a shame we haven’t been made privy to how that investigation turned out.
Here is a good debunking of the Odigo message (which I am sure will fall on deaf ears)
link to 911myths.com
A random fan wiki is your refutation for a Ha’aretz article?
“they entered the house and they shot my brother twice in the chest. this cannot be a mistake”
my first reaction to this unfortunate flipping of goldie was ultimately it would be to our benefit because maybe people would start to listen and pay attention. this video speaks for itself.
bring it on.
I thought I would mention this, because the term “blood libel” is being thrown around by a lot of Zionists, those who are defending Israel’s actions love it or leave it, etc. I am going to mention this because no one seems to have picked up the true context of the accusation of blood libel (aside from the historical element).
Essentially it is a cry and accusation of the innocent, of those accused of that which is the exact opposite of their actions – lying about another in regard to an act(s) which is despicable and almost unmentionable. However, that is not what the report is about, it is evidential examination, and to be quite frank, there is too much blood on the hands of the ardent Zionists (In Israel or abroad) of the Palestinians to claim a blood libel in any sense of the phrase in regard to their atrocious behavior. I hope I made that clear, we are not talking about lies here – but the truth wherever the chips may fall, they are not worthy of making such a claim in any fashion.
Maybe Palestinian terrorists should stop camping in protected zones and this wouldn’t happen? Every military general – Canadian, German, British, American – all stood by the IDF.
And bizarrely enough, so did Hamas. I’m not sure if Mondoweiss advertised this, but Hamas released their own casualty figures that claimed that majority of deaths were combat-age males and Hamas affiliated.
And now Hamas continues to launch rockets at Israel to steal attention away from Arabs in Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc…
The Palestinians are losing their worldwide victim status. Hamas wants another war, another Goldstone report. The media wants it too.
Another Hasburro rears its ass on Mondoweiss.
Personal attacks aren’t going to change anyones minds. The Arabs and Palestinians will never achieve true bilateral relations with Israel if anything that is critical of their ways is dismissed as Israeli propaganda or Jewish conspiracy.
You hide behind the Palestinians, but your propaganda against Israel and against those who support peace don’t aid the Palestinians in their quest for statehood. It merely enables extremists.
But perhaps this is a goal. Because if the Palestinians truly became independent, what would you do? No offense to mondoweiss, but this entire site is predicated on denying Jewish rights and openly engages in anti-Zionism.
An exist out of victimhood for the Palestinians would be an absolute disaster for hateful bigots such as yourself.
Do you support the dismantling of the colonies in the occupied West Bank and the Golan Heights?
At the very least, do you support stopping all colonial expansion?
How do you propose to stop that expansion which continues to take over more Palestinian land?
How about occupied East Jerusalem? Israel has illegally annexed it and continue to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Shaikh Jarrah. So, how do you propose stopping Israel’s continued violations?
What’s wrong with being anti-Zionist?
No offense to mondoweiss, but this entire site is predicated on denying Jewish rights and openly engages in anti-Zionism.
which is why you are here i presume? and we are not supposed to think you are engaging in ‘israeli propaganda’? it’s you hiding behind some alleged zionist or jewish ‘right’ to expansion at the expense of others. go away if you think the site isn’t to your liking, but don’t bring you hasbara here and then lecture us about palestinian victimhood. what a farce.
>> An exist out of victimhood for the Palestinians would be an absolute disaster for hateful bigots such as yourself.
Nice hypothesis. You should put it to the test. You could start with, among other things, getting Israel:
- to halt all of its ON-GOING aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder; and
- to enter into sincere negotiations for an equitable and mutually beneficial peace.
If, at that point, “an exist out of victimhood for the Palestinians” proves to be “an absolute disaster for hateful bigots”, your hypothesis will be validated. Until then, it’s nothing but ridiculous speculation.
“Jewish” rights? Such as…?
” I’m not sure if Mondoweiss advertised this, but Hamas released their own casualty figures that claimed that majority of deaths were combat-age males and Hamas affiliated.”
Look at the unspoken assumptions here. “Combat-aged males” doesn’t mean males engaged in combat. Being Hamas affiliated (like the police cadets) doesn’t make one a legitimate military target. If it did, then any Israeli who is affiliated with a party associated with crimes against Palestinians could be hit if a male of combat age.
link to guardian.co.uk
Arch Zionist J Freedland says Israel is no worse than the DRC or Afghanistan so stop picking on Israel.
Is that what G*d said to moses ? Do not kill, but it’s okay to kill if Afghanis are more violent.
Is this what the Torah says?
* Leave Israel alone *
What is the point of mocking our religion seafoid? will it help the Palestinians get their land back?
why don’t you just answer the question dbg. we’ve got eee and others arguing zionism is embedded in their judaism so it’s not an outlandish comment in the least.
i don’t happen to think the ethnic cleansing is embedded in judaism but in the interpretation.
Freedland and others want us to ignore the truth.
When many leaders in that part of the world as well as former CIA head of the Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer, former CIA analyst Kathleen and Bill Christison, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Carter, Tutu, Finkelstein, former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Seymour Hersh, the 9/11 Commission Report keep repeating and reporting that it is US decades long support for Israel no matter how many illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem that Israel continues to build. No matter how many UN resolutions that Israel is in violation of. No matter how Israel defies International Courts decisions that the wall is partially built on internationally recognized Palestinian lands and is illegal. That this is what has pissed people off for decades in that part of the world.
Are we going to keep ignoring how Israel’s actions and the Israeli lobby have and continue to undermine US National Security by completely supporting Israel no matter what they do?
Ken O Keefe is an amazing activist
link to youtube.com
Interviews about what took place on the Mavi Marmara
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Goldstone has clearly stated that both Israeli forces and Hamas killed civilians. Israel killed 1400 Hamas killed 4. The debate has been flipped to “intentions”
The question about what Goldstones “intentions” were by writing this op ed instead of what would seem to be an appropriate move for him to take his new opinion about Israel’s stated or written intention “policy” to the other UN investigators is suspect