It’s a lie that Ahmadinejad took responsibility for Bulgarian attack

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The same out-of-context, demonization propaganda is now in full swing with regard to the recent tragic terrorist bombing in the coastal Bulgarian town of Burgas that targeted Israeli tourists. The difference is that such propaganda, unlike that of the U.S. presidential mudslinging, is a matter of life and death and establishes disgusting falsehoods as facts that race around the internet and the world, forever defining the narrative, and obscuring the truth, and perpetuating pervasive mythologies that permeate our already skewed discourse on the issues of Iran, Israel, U.S. foreign policy and, now, the Burgas bus bombing.

The Times of Israel, the same “news” outfit that was quick to identify former Guantanamo detainee Mehdi Ghezali as the bomber based on half-baked Bulgarian media reports (a claim immediately denied by all intelligence agencies involved in the case) is back at it, this time with a report declaring that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has revealed (and reveled in) Iran’s culpability for the attack in Bulgaria.

The Times opens its piece with what could not be mistaken for anything other than what it presents as a clear statement of fact: “Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gloated publicly on Thursday over the deaths of Israelis in a terror bombing in Bulgaria, and hinted that Iran was responsible for the attack.” Claiming that, just hours after the attack itself, “Ahmadinejad described the attack as ‘a response’ to Israeli ‘blows against Iran,’” the report continues:

“The bitter enemies of the Iranian people and the Islamic Revolution have recruited most of their forces in order to harm us,” he said in a speech reported by Israel’s Channel 2 TV. “They have indeed succeeded in inflicting blows upon us more than once, but have been rewarded with a far stronger response.”

He added: “The enemy believes it can achieve its aims in a long, persistent struggle against the Iranian people, but in the end it will not. We are working to ensure that.”

Ahmadinejad’s speech was interpreted in Israel as asserting that the Burgas bombing was a revenge attack for the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists, for which Iran has repeatedly blamed Israel.

This report spread like wildfire around the internet, from right-wing sites like The Blaze and Commentary to progressive outlets like Paul Woodward’s War in Context.

But it’s a lie.

Ahmadinejad’s speech, delivered in commemoration of World Mosque Day, has absolutely nothing to do with the bus bombing in Bulgaria. The quotes cherry-picked and bizarrely analyzed by the Israeli media have nothing to do with boasting or bragging about the attack.

The speech, typical of Ahmadinejad, states clearly that, in the face of Western aggression and efforts to impose hegemony over Iran and its rights, the Islamic Republic will stand firm and not back down. This is even evident in the English language report on the speech itself, available on Ahmadinejad’s own website.

“I assure the Iranian people that the government will not retreat even one iota from their rights, principles and values against the declining materialistic powers,” Ahmadinejad said, “even if the enemies mobilize their past and future capabilities and get accompanied by certain parties inside the country.”

The key part of the speech, twisted and bastardized by the Israeli press, actually states that “the main enemies of the Iranian nation and the Islamic Revolution have waged a major battle and mobilized their utmost power and capability but the Iranian government strongly resists against them. The enemy deals a blow to the Iranian nation step by step; but, in return, it receives a stronger, heavier blow.”

The Iranian president is so obviously talking about the campaign to abrogate Iran’s nuclear rights (Ahmadinejad said that “the hegemonic system opposes the Iranian nation only because of the high speed of its progress in various sectors such as industries, science and technology”) and Iran’s steadfastness in the face of economic pressure and ever-mounting sanctions and threats that to allege this has anything to do with Burgas is not only amazingly dishonest and grotesque, but also dangerous.

The critical paragraph of Ahmadinejad’s speech (a small portion of the whole, which mostly praises the importance of mosques as constructive cultural centers of society) can be read below both in the original Farsi along with an alternate translation:

دكتر احمدي‌نژاد در بخش ديگري از سخنان خود با بيان اينکه امروز دولت درگير يک نبرد سنگين و تمام عيار است، خاطرنشان کرد: امروز دشمنان اصلي ملت، فرهنگ، آرمانها، انقلاب اسلامي و موجوديت ايران، همه توان خود را بسيج کرده اند تا از حرکت سريع و رو به پيشرفت ملت ايران جلوگيري کنند و دولت نيز با همه توان و به صورت شبانه روزي و لحظه اي روياروي آنها ايستاده است. دشمنان با تسلط بر همه مراکز اقتصاد و قدرت در دنيا به صورت شبانه روزي و لحظه اي عليه جمهوري اسلامي اقدام مي کنند و دولت نيز پا به پاي آنها به مقابله برخاسته و اگر هر ضربه اي وارد کنند، ضربه اي دريافت مي کنند كه معمولاً ضربه دريافتي آنها سنگينتر از ضربه اي است که وارد کرده اند.

Dr. Ahmadi Nejad in another section of his remarks (words) mentioning that today the (Iranian) Government is involved in a heavy and all encompassing struggle reminded that: today the main enemies of the people, culture, ideals,the Islamic revolution and the Iranian existence have mobilized all their abilities (powers) to prevent the fast movement towards progress of the Iranian nation, and the Government (Iranian) also with all of its power, day and night and every moment is standing in front of them. The enemies with domination over all the centers of economy and power in the world day and night and every moment are acting against the Islamic Republic and the Government (Iranian) also has risen in front of them (standing in front of them, against them) and if they deliver a blow they will receive a blow which usually the blow they receive will be heavier than the blow they have delivered.

(translation by Ahmad Shirazi)

The use of this quote, and the false presentation of it as having anything to do with the Burgas attack, may set a new low in the warmongering campaign that Israel is waging against Iran.

This piece first appeared on Shirazi’s site, Wide Asleep in America, yesterday.

About Nima Shirazi

Nima Shirazi is co-editor of the Iran, Iraq and Turkey pages for the online magazine Muftah. His political analysis can be found on his blog, WideAsleepinAmerica.com, where this post first appeared. Follow him on Twitter @WideAsleepNima.
Posted in Iran, Israel Lobby, Israel/Palestine, Middle East, US Politics

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  1. yourstruly says:

    the zionist apartheid regime’s response to the terrorist bombing in bulgaria has the disgusting smell of a false flag operation. doubt israel would kill its own? see “Who is behind the Bulgaria False Flag Attack on Israeli tourists” – globalresearch.ca (July 22, 2012)

    • Ellen says:

      There is much more than the Israeli government’s response to the horrific bombing in Bulgaria that points to the stench of a false flag operation.

      Not even some agency professionals in the US government (behind closed doors, of course) believe the line of an Iranian promoted attack — by a wig and plaid shorts wearing dupe — on a bunch of Israeli tourists on the Black sea. Alone the use of and trouble to make a phony ID (that was miraculously found) does not fit a Hezbollah or Iranian agent.

      Not even the Bulgarians believe it. It is interesting that there is little public response from the Bulgarians.

      • seanmcbride says:

        Ellen,

        A survey of Internet opinion suggests that more people suspect that Israel was behind the Burgas bombing than Iran. Which indicates a massive collapse of Israel’s public relations and propaganda efforts all across the board.

        If Netanyahu and Peres had directly followed up their charges against Iran with persuasive proof, this situation wouldn’t have developed.

        Another theme that is developing on the Internet: concerns and fears that Israel is planning to conduct a major false flag terrorist attack at the London Olympics.

        You know, if Mossad were really smart, no one in the world would have ever entertained such thoughts about it. It would be as invisible as its Chinese or Swedish equivalent.

  2. edwin says:

    War in context has an updated article:

    A Times of Israel article that I referred to yesterday turns out to have been total bunk — surprise, surprise. (At least I covered my ass a tiny bit by acknowledging I had no idea whether the translations of quotes by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were accurate.)

  3. Just like the “wiped off the map” quote attributed to him that is still cited as factual despite all the expert translations.

    You have to admit that they have mastered the art of propaganda to a level that would put Goebbels to shame.

  4. Roya says:

    Great article, Nima. Thank you.

    Meanwhile, evidence has surfaced that Cyrus the Great initiated the Iranian nuclear program 2,500 years ago, that Hezbollah is behind global warming, and that the Batman shooter is a closet Muslim.

  5. Brewer says:

    Fascinating reading from the Brookings Institute:
    “WHICH PATH TO PERSIA?
    Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran”
    by Kenneth M. Pollack, Daniel L. Byman, Martin Indyk, Suzanne Maloney, Michael E. O’Hanlon, Bruce Riedel

    “.. it would be far more preferable if the United states could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United states would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United states to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (one method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)

    link to brookings.edu

    • AllenBee says:

      same sh*t
      different day
      Center for New American Security, ‘Game Changing Diplomacy,’ Sept 2008

      “In order to explore the full range of options available to the next president, in early 2008 the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) convened a bipartisan group comprised of experts
      on foreign policy and national security, retired military personnel, former diplomats and other government officials, and specialists on Iran and the region. This Experts Group (for membership, see Appendix B) met four times to discuss and debate papers addressing a range of U.S. policy options. Ambassador Dennis Ross presented a paper on diplomatic strategies for dealing with Iran, and Dr. Suzanne Maloney wrote on Iranian perspectives and potential responses.

      {snip}

      Game-changing diplomacy means inviting Iran to the bargaining table without preconditions — but with a specific set of proposals and with the Iranian alternative to a negotiated outcome appearing unreasonable to their population and to the global community. Proposals should be structured to be so clearly reasonable that if they do not work out, it is clear to the Iranian people and other audiences in the Middle East that the Iranian government is at fault.”

      Bipartisan Policy Center April 2012

      (what was most noteworthy about this conference was how thuggishly dumb the participants were, all of ‘em — Nicholas Burns, Michael Makovsky, Dennis Ross, Steven Ruderman, Elliot Abrams, Mort Zukerman. They fairly drooled with the prospect of causing suffering and fear of suffering to Iranians, and they did not seem to possess the capacity to reflect on their own essential immorality and mendacity. It’s also remarkable how physically unattractive these people are — the eyes are the mirror of the soul. How embarrassing for Americans and Jews to have to claim these buzzards as “my people.”)

      Dennis Ross: ” We have an interest in demonstrating to the world, even to our own people, that this was a good-faith approach to negotiations, even to the point that we might publicize what was on the table so that we can demonstrate what was on offer that would have allowed the Iranians to have what they claim they desire, which is a civil nuclear capacity, and they simply turned down that opportunity. We need to be able to demonstrate that diplomacy was tried and if it didn’t work it was because the Iranians just didn’t want it to work.” [~23 min]

  6. OlegR says:

    Shouldn’t there be a name for Iranian propaganda efforts in the West.
    How do you say hasbara in Farsi ?

    • Roya says:

      Point out the propaganda Oleg. Point it out. No paraphrasing, list for me the exact statements of propaganda.

    • Shingo says:

      Shouldn’t there be a name for Iranian propaganda efforts in the West.

      We call it hasbra debunking.

    • Mooser says:

      Oleg, after Zionists have been caught lying to Jews, to make them more fearful, and inflame the situation, do you really want to enter this discussion with “what about” pilpul? That little mistranslation was one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen.
      Or tell me, Oleg, do they e-mail all the Jews and tell them, ‘don’t worry, it’s just to fool the Gentiles’?
      Would you like to tell us, Oleg, why the Zionists like to take advantage of Jewish fear so much. Sure, it’s fun for you, you give it out. For Jews in the affected areas (for instance) it’s terrifying, and it’s not true.
      So please tell me, Oleg, why this little bit of lying is a tikky-tacky olam or whatever the hell you call it?

      • OlegR says:

        Mooset you seem to debating some imaginary Oleg
        in your head with all that tikkun olam rethroic
        or whatever.
        Come back when you actually want to talk to me.

  7. talknic says:

    OlegR July 22, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “Shouldn’t there be a name for Iranian propaganda efforts in the West”

    Example…. thx

    “How do you say hasbara in Farsi ?”

    דרעק is sh*te no matter what language

  8. Nima Shirazi says:

    The Times of Israel has retracted its bogus Ahmadinejad “gloating” story and issued a corrective article entitled, “Ahmadinejad was talking about sanctions, not Burgas, in his speech last Thursday, says Persian expert.”

    The expert cited is Bahman Kalbasi, correspondent for BBC Persian.

    Yesterday, July 21, on Twitter, Kalbasi confirmed my debunking of the Times article, tweeting “Nima at @WideAsleepNima correctly articulates the mistranslation by @TimesofIsrael” and linking to my article.

    The Times retraction that credits Kalbasi with the correction explains that while “Ahmadinejad’s speech was widely interpreted in Israel as asserting that the Burgas bombing was a revenge attack for the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists…Kalbasi said such interpretations reflect a mistranslation, and that the speech contains no word or phrase that indicates Ahmadinejad was talking about the bombing. The relevant section of the speech relates to western sanctions on Iran and Iran’s response, he said, rather than to the Burgas bombing as on ostensible response to the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists.”

    The article concludes:

    “He was talking about growing international and economic pressure on Iran, and assuring his constituency that their government will stand up for them and fight back,” said Kalbasi, noting that Thursday’s speech is carried on Ahmadinejad’s website.

    Glad that’s finally cleared up…a day after I already explained all this.

  9. ColinWright says:

    The bizarre bit is that I had just finished watching Idiocracy. I thought I had, anyway. So I come into the bedroom, sit down at the computer — and pull up this story.

    Somebody lock us up — or at least take away the power tools.

    • AllenBee says:

      using callers to C Span as a barometer, people are catching on and calling out BS when they hear it.

      there is hope.
      just a little bit, but hope.

  10. ColinWright says:

    Anyway, I’d say the moral of this story is that we really need to do something about Israel.

    Not because she’s unjust or any of that superficial crap.

    We need to do something about her because if we don’t, she’s likely to kill us all.

    …well, okay. At most, a few hundred million. I am exaggerating. I admit it.

  11. Daniel Rich says:

    Q: (a claim immediately denied by all intelligence agencies involved in the case)

    R: Are those the same ‘intelligence’ agencies that failed to detect this bus bombing threat [and so many previous attacks]?

    Does anyone benefit from these ‘failures?’

  12. ColinWright says:

    Phoney quotes attributed to Ahmadinejad, phony verses from the Qur’an, phoney translations from Arabic…

    One would think that Farsi was some language spoken by twelve members of a dwindling tribe of forest people, or that the Qur’an was an obscure work of which only two copies were extant.

    But this isn’t the case. There must be a hundred thousand Farsi speakers in the US, and no one who pretends to any expertise in the Middle East has any business not having a copy of the Qur’an on his shelf.

    The attempt to deceive is deliberate, and since the deception has potentially murderous consequences, it’s evil.

    link to videosift.com

  13. ColinWright says:

    Anyway, compared to the Burgas bombing, we’ve got a veritable smoking gun for the Colorado shooting.

    ” James Holmes, the suspect in the Colorado movie theater shooting that left 12 dead and dozens wounded, worked for a Jewish summer camp, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    According to the report, Holmes worked in the summer of 2008 as a cabin counselor at Camp Max Strauss. ..”

    Clearly, we should move forward with a strike on Tel Aviv. I’ve just decided random shootings in US movie theaters ‘fit Israel’s M.O.’ Look at Charles Whitman. Look at the Jonestown Massacre.

    In fact, I just translated a remark Netanyahu made in Hebrew. He said ‘we carried out the Colorado shooting. It was a Mossad hit.’

    • Mooser says:

      “worked for a Jewish summer camp,”

      ‘Witnesses report the camp was a terrorist training center, and campers could be seen practicing elaborate terrorism assault drills’. Sure, maybe it looked like touch football to you, but we know better, don’t we!

  14. subconscious says:

    The translation of part of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s (MA’s) speech by both The Times of Israel & those provided by N. Shirazi are qualitatively the same. MA is saying that blows against Iran will be strongly retaliated. But the Islamic Republic leaders have routinely made such claims. After every scientist assassination the government has blamed the US, Zionists and their allies as the culprits and has promised retribution. The unwarranted claim by the Times is that MA was referring to the Burgas bombing, whereas he makes no specific reference to any act. The problem was not with the translation but with the interpretation.

    But there is one set of claims in MA’s speech that could readily be deemed offensive to Christians & Jews, which, surprisingly, neither the Israeli sources mentioned above nor Shirazi mention. The English & Persian versions of MA’s speech that Shirazi links to (at MA’s website) are very different in that the English version cuts out much of the speech. In the Persian version, MA talks about different topics, including the importance of mosque & Islam in society, how the US controlled by a handful of Zionists rules the world, how their system is failing and the Islamic Republic should pick up the lead in promoting worldwide justice & equality, how Iran is making substantial progress that the enemies try to strike against but their blows will be retaliated, how those who are slandering the gov’t inside Iran are helping the foreign enemy [in apparent reference to accusations (by various officials) of and judicial actions against massive fraud and corruption in MA's administration], and the importance of acknowledging the coming of the Mehdi (the Shia Messiah).

    But an ostensibly offensive and gratuitous part of the speech posted at his Persian website @
    link to president.ir
    states, “The religion of Islam is the religion of all people because fundamentally god has not descended more than one religion and all prophets were ordained to invite people to this religion.
    The president added: Has god sent a religion called Christianity and a religion called Judaism or have shops been set up under these names? All prophets were Muslims for if they were not they would not have been ordained as prophets … and the multitude of prophets does not imply the multitude of religions.” Referring to Christianity & Judaism as “shops,” whereas suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s been ignored.

    • ColinWright says:

      “…“The religion of Islam is the religion of all people because fundamentally god has not descended more than one religion and all prophets were ordained to invite people to this religion.
      The president added: Has god sent a religion called Christianity and a religion called Judaism or have shops been set up under these names? All prophets were Muslims for if they were not they would not have been ordained as prophets … and the multitude of prophets does not imply the multitude of religions.” Referring to Christianity & Judaism as “shops,” whereas suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s been ignored…”

      So? Let me clue you in on something. Iran is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Preaching pluralism they’re not about to do.

      • subconscious says:

        How foolish of me! And I erroneously referred to it as the Freedonian Republic of Iran. Will adjust my sensitivity scale accordingly. Similarly, you should also reconsider your oversensitivity to statements by Israeli officials that are disparaging of Muslims or non-Jews. After all, Israel is the Jewish State.

        • Shingo says:

          Similarly, you should also reconsider your oversensitivity to statements by Israeli officials that are disparaging of Muslims or non-Jews.

          As Nnima Shirazi explained, Amadinejad’s statement was made in context of Jews and Chrisitians belonging to the same religion, where as Israeli officials’statements are clearly exclusionary.

        • eljay says:

          >> CW: Let me clue you in on something. Iran is the Islamic Republic of Iran.
          >> subconscious: Similarly, you should also reconsider your oversensitivity to statements by Israeli officials that are disparaging of Muslims or non-Jews. After all, Israel is the Jewish State.

          Iran and Israel should be the secular, democratic and egalitarian states of and for all their respective citizens, equally. They have no business being “Islamic” or “Jewish” states.

    • Roya says:

      “suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s been ignored.”
      Whatever you say Chosen One.

      • subconscious says:

        Uncanny prescience, Roya! Your Jew-dar is impeccable. Anyone who objects to racist comments by Ahmadinejad or Rahimi (per my comment below) can only be one of “them.” Nudge, nudge, know what I mean? Don’t forget to leave a similar comment in response to my comment on Rahimi.

        • Shingo says:

          Anyone who objects to racist comments by Ahmadinejad or Rahimi (per my comment below) can only be one of “them.”

          No, it’s when some examined vague statements searchign for a reason to be offended, they come across as one of “them.”

        • Roya says:

          Actually subconscious I was just trying to see where you were coming from–figured the Chosen Rosen thing would get a response out of you. Say do they have sarcasm classes where you live or is that just an art you’ve mastered on your own? It truly is something. I had a YMCA camp counselor who loved her sarcasm (though hers didn’t stem from anger) but you would win in a battle hands-down.

          By the way do you also keep track of the number of times the United States of Israel has threatened to wipe Iran off the map or is that inconsequential?

          Here’s another question–how many countries has Iran invaded in the last 300 years? How many has Israel invaded in the last 64? Ok once you’ve answered that feel free to ask for Pop Quiz #2.

      • Shingo says:

        “suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s

        Indeed Roya,

        I suppse the point subconscious was tring to get across was that insults to Judaism and Christianity are suffient reasons to go to war.

    • Nima Shirazi says:

      @subconscious –

      I never claim that the quotes used by The Times of Israel were grossly mistranslated; rather, I make it quite clear that the problem is in its interpretation and the ridiculous allegation that his statement about resisting Western hegemony was actually a gloating admission of responsibility for the Burgas attack.

      Providing an alternate translation was simply to provide more context for the statement than given in either the Times quotes or the English language report on Ahmadinejad’s own website.

      Regarding his statements on Christianity and Judaism, I disagree with your interpretation that this was meant as an insult (I write this as an atheist, so I’ve got not skin in the game, as they say). Ahmadinejad routinely includes his belief in the importance of monotheism in his speeches. Also, as we should all recognize, Muslims regard Judaism and Christianity as precursors to Islam (think Return of the Jedi to Judaism’s Star Wars and Christianity’s The Empire Strikes Back) and do not really identify them as three separate religions. The prophets of the Old and New Testaments are all also prophets of Islam, with Mohammad being the last and final prophet.

      This concept is made perfectly clear over and over again in Ahmadinejad’s speeches at the United Nations year after year.

      In 2006, he said, “All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) to the Prophet Moses (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), have all called humanity to monotheism, justice, brotherhood, love and compassion. Is it not possible to build a better world based on monotheism, justice, love and respect for the rights of human beings, and thereby transform animosities into friendship?”

      The next year, he said, “Faith in God means believing in honesty, purity, justice and compassion for others!…This is the invitation of all the divine prophets from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Chris, and Mohammed (PBUH).”

      In 2008, he mentioned “the great divine Prophets Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ and Mohammad (PBUH)” and the year after that said, “Messengers were sent by God to show the light of the truth to human kind, they came to make people aware of their individual and social obligations. Piety, having faith to Allah and its judgment of human behavior or conduct in the next world, belief in the primacy of justice in both lives, seeking one’s happiness, well being and security in the happiness, well-being and security of others, respecting human kind, making efforts to expand love and compassion against hostility were all on top of the teachings offered by the Messengers of God from Adam to Noah, from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ and the last one Prophet Mohamamd (PUH). All of them came to do something to eliminate war and ignorance, to eradicate poverty and uproot discrimination in order to spread happiness in the entire world. They are the best gifts that God Almighty has granted to human beings.”

      That same year, Ahmadinejad offered “the salutations and regards of Allah to his prophets, from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, and his last prophet Mohammed. Peace be upon them all who are the harbingers of monotheism, fraternity, love, human dignity, and justice,” in other speeches.

      In 2010, following the summer of “Ground Zero Mosque” hysteria and the burning of Qur’ans, Ahmadinejad told the General Assembly, “The Holy Quran is the Divine Book and the eternal miracle of the Prophet of lslam. It calls for worshipping the One God, justice, compassion toward people, development and progress, reflection and thinking, defending the oppressed and resisting against the oppressors; and it names with respect the previous Messengers of God, like Noah, Abraham, Isaaq, Joseph, Moses and Jesus Christ (Peace be Upon them all) and endorses them.”

      He added, “On behalf of the Iranian nation I pay respect to all Divine Books and their followers. This is the Quran and this is the Bible. I pay respect to both of them.”

      It seems the only folks flooding the internet tubes with cries of horror at Ahmadinejad’s recent comments about Christianity and Judaism are far-right, evangelical folks looking for something to get hysterical about.

      Ahmadinejad’s statements about monotheism (meaning, of course, that the god of Judaism is the same as the god of Christianity and the same as the god of Islam) are at this point boilerplate and unremarkable. That doesn’t mean anyone has to agree with him, it simply means that – as a devout Muslim who appeals to a religious constituency at home and represents an Islamic Republic abroad – Ahmadinejad’s religious perspective is ever-present in his public speeches.

      Making a big deal out of this, in my opinion, is foolish.

      • Mooser says:

        “All Divine prophets from the Prophet Adam…”

        Prophet Adam? Yup, that’s right! His most famous prophecy: “She’s pretty, and feels nice, but I think she’s going to get me into trouble one of these days”

      • subconscious says:

        @Nima Shirazi,

        As should have been clear from my first sentences, I agreed w/ the main point of your post, encapsulated in its title. What I said about your added translations was not a major criticism; just pointing out that even from the Times’ own translation it was clear that their conclusion was not warranted.
        As far as the dis to Chris./Jud. in MA’s speech that I pointed to, every responder seems to have read into it far more than I stated or remotely implied. At least your response is w/in the bounds of reason; almost all the others went hog wild injecting their own imaginations.
        I’m aware of how Islam views the other Abrahamics & Ahmadinejad’s other comments in that regard. All it shows is that MA’s “shop” reference is not fully in accord w/ his other statements, which is not surprising, since politicians tune their statements depending on the audience and the occasion. But I attached no significance to this, let alone suggest any response to it, as the other responders imagined, other than pointing that the Israel Times writers (thankfully) did not pick it up as a propaganda point. As far as far-right evangelicals “flooding the internet tubes with cries of horror” regarding this, I have no knowledge of that, and only noticed that statement from the links you provided. As far as “Making a big deal out of this” being “foolish,” I agree, but tell that to the other responders to my comments.

        Though these are not the points of your response here, my next comment was about Rahimi’s (MA’s vice president) recent inappropriate speech at an international forum, w/ the point made in the 3rd comment that the occasional inflammatory talk that has come from the Iranian side (the “shop” reference not being a main part of it) has contributed to the propaganda efforts of those who advocate war.

    • Mooser says:

      “whereas suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s been ignored.”

      I agree with your moderate stance. For the possible insult to Christians and Jews, Iran should be attacked, invaded, and subjugated. We don’t agree with those warmongers and hotheads who say atomic weapons should be used. And of course, no insult is too small to pass over.
      Say, ever think of shortening “sub” to “un”, and making your nym nice and true??

    • Kris says:

      The president of the Islamic Republic of Iran thinks Islam is the one true religion? Shocking!!! Nevertheless, there is a large and thriving Jewish community in Iran, where non-Muslims are not persecuted and, unlike Muslims in Jewish-controlled lands, are not subjected to daily pogroms.

      In the Jewish State of Israel, mosques are burned and desecrated, and Muslims and Christians are treated with contempt and casual cruelty. Not to mention the apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Jewish rabbis who are paid by Israel openly support the notion that it is right for Jews to kill gentiles, including babies, if the Jews imagine the gentiles will harm Jews sometime in the future.

      Islam accepts people who convert to Islam whole-heartedly, as does Christianity, while converts to Judaism don’t really become full Jews in the eyes of the Israeli Jewish religious establishment. In fact, many Jews in the U.S. don’t even make the cut, as far as the Israeli Jewish religious establishment is concerned.

    • lysias says:

      I was taught in parochial school that Catholicism is the one true religion (although other forms of Christianity have part of the truth).

      • subconscious says:

        @lysias
        Your parochial school and all its basements should be immediately subjected to comprehensive inspections on suspicion of nuclear weaponization. Were you required to sign the NPT upon graduation?

  15. subconscious says:

    Adding to my comment above about Ahmadinejad’s insult to Christianity & Judaism, it should be noted that only recently his vice president, Mohammad Reza Rahimi, made a scandalously antisemitic speech at an international forum on drug prevention. The text of the speech is @
    link to irandailybrief.com
    and here’s the NYT account of it
    link to nytimes.com

    As a minor note, but examples of incorrect translations, the NYT article states that Rahimi referred to black babies being killed at orders of Zionists, whereas the English translation at the pro-gov’t Iranian website I linked to states it as “a Jewish gynecologist castrated 8,0000 American Indians to reduce their number.” But Rahimi in this clip
    link to youtube.com
    actually says, “a Zionist gynecologist at some juncture has castrated 8000 redskins.” Rahimi is one of those in Ahmadinejad’s administration who’s been accused by other officials of massive fraud, which I referred to in my previous comment.

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ subconcious,

      The modest Christian god says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me!” Take it from there.

    • Roya says:

      subconscious, where are you getting this “a Zionist gynecologist at some juncture has castrated 8000 redskins” translation from? He does not say redskin. He says [American] Indian. I don’t even know of a Farsi derogative for American Indian. Maybe you could inform me of one (or make it up) with your brilliant Farsi skills.

      • subconscious says:

        @Roya
        Since my “brilliant Farsi skills” are yet more unwarranted assumptions on your part, I’ll have to take your suggestion and “make it up.” I simply did a literal translation, which can sometimes lose nuances of the language. The Persian word Rahimi uses is “sorkhpoost” which literally means “redskin.” However, in Persian, unlike in English, it’s not considered derogatory, and, as far as I know, it’s the most common term used for Native Americans. So it’s just as fair to translate it as Native American or American Indian. (And I won’t even ask why there’s still a football team operating under that name in the US.)
        But my alternate translation was not meant to highlight that term. I was trying to be more fair to Rahimi by pointing out that in the video he refers to a “Zionist gynecologist,” whereas the Iranian media transcribed it as a “Jewish gynecologist,” making it sound worse:
        link to aftabir.com

        These are, however, minor considerations relative to the whole speech, which was antisemitic and plain loony. According to the NYT account, even some members of the Iranian delegation were taken aback by it.

        • Roya says:

          subconscious, as you yourself are very aware,‘redskin’ has a very derogatory meaning in English, so when whining about a mistranslation you lose credibility by providing a mistranslation yourself.

        • subconscious says:

          @Roya
          And how does your judgement of my translational skills affect my main point that foolish rhetoric from the Ahmadinejad side, such as the recent Rahimi speech (which wasn’t translated by me), inflames the situation and aids in the propaganda for war?

  16. subconscious says:

    This is stating the obvious, but much of the discrediting of the Islamic Republic in the international arena is the result of such imbecilic and hateful public statements that I mentioned in my 2 previous comments. Antisemitic rants, dogged Holocaust denials, 9/11 trutherism at the UN and religious Messianism exhibited in international settings by the Ahmadinejad administration, which implies the Supreme Leader’s approval, contribute significantly to Western propaganda depicting Iranian officials as loonies bent on nuclear Armageddon. The “loony” part is fair, the “nuclear Armageddon” presumption is specious. But the general public assumes both to be the correct, if the former is.

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ suconcious,

      Q: Antisemitic rants, dogged Holocaust denials, …

      R: You couldn’t help yourself, could you? You simply can’t win an argument without your trusted ingredients, can you?. Let me burst your bubble, pal. Those ingredients have long since stopped working. It’s like adding detergent to cocaine: you end up with funny bubbles on your face [beats egg, I know].

    • Mooser says:

      “But the general public assumes both to be the correct, if the former is.”

      Well then, we’ll just have to bomb Iran to prevent the leaders from making any more dumb statements, which may cause the US not to like them. Do you have a point, besides concern-trolling Iran?

      Oh never mind, my bad. Of course, you understand the facts and implications of the main article, and you want to get in as many distractions as you can. So, Mr. Middle East expert, why the inflammatory lies from Israel? Want to tell us how they will contribute to preserving what peace remains there? Not mention scaring the hell out of Jews in Bulgaria and other places.

  17. “… suggesting that Islam is the one true religion could easily be deemed offensive. But this has nothing to do with nuclear development or terrorist attacks, so apparently it’s been ignored.” — subconscious

    Thank the gods that you were here to bring it to our attention. That foolish meanie Mahmoud has finally given Israel and the US their casus belli.

    Let the bombing begin!

    • subconscious says:

      Since your oozy is crying for action and you beat me to the inevitable conclusion that MA’s statements are an irrefutable call to war, you should be the one to make sure the ball is not dropped on that casus belli.

    • Mooser says:

      “Let the bombing begin!”

      Maybe the Christian pilot could hold hands with the Jewish bombardier, and they can press the button together, in a display of American ecumenicism! After all, the Iranians insulted them both! Die, Iranian Insulters!

      • Mooser says:

        Na, that’s not good enough! Insult me, and all my Christian friends, will he? Well, I’ve had it! I’m getting in the car, driving to Iran (“Honey, where are the maps? I’m gonna need the gas card, too!”) and I’m gonna slap that insulting Iranian myself. You coming, “subconscious”?

    • AllenBee says:

      is the complaint that Iran is threatening to pray Israel to death?

      • Roya says:

        “is the complaint that Iran is threatening to pray Israel to death?”
        Once again AllenBee goes at it with his BS-to-reality translations.

  18. Mayhem says:

    Where are the MW defenders of Hezbollah and their Iranian backers now that investigations have implicated two members of the terrorist organization in the Bulgarian bus bombing? How much evidence does one need before admitting to being wrong?

    • Shingo says:

      Where are the MW defenders of Hezbollah and their Iranian backers now that investigations have implicated two members of the terrorist organization in the Bulgarian bus bombing?

      Laughing at your gullibility.

      1. The Bulgarian opposition party is calling BS and saying that the conclusions are politically motivated and were pressured by Israel and Washington.
      link to reuters.com

      2. A few weeks before the Bulgarian government came out with the latest accusation, it was publicly denying any such link.
      link to algemeiner.com

      It was only after the Bulgarians presented their findings to Israel that they changed their story.

      How much evidence does one need before admitting to being wrong?

      What evidence are you referring to? No evidence has been made public.