In front of global audience, Netanyahu draws his red line (on his ridiculous bomb cartoon)

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Last year it was the “Insatiable Crocodile of Militant Islam“, this year it was a bomb torn from the pages of Spy v.s. Spy. For the highlight of Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to the UN General Assembly today see the screenshot above.

Here’s a roundup of some of the immediate reaction on Twitter:





Not everyone thought the cartoon bomb was such a bad idea:


Probably the best response was from Ozzy BonHalen:

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(Image: Ozzy BonHalen)

This is also good from the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation:

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  (Image: US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation)

161 Responses

  1. ColinWright
    September 27, 2012, 2:32 pm

    This guy must be auditioning for something.

    First it was a duck. Then the duck was inside the twenty. Now it’s an exploding duck.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    • braciole
      September 27, 2012, 7:08 pm

      Somebody told him Deolali was a “fun” holiday destination.

    • abujihad1
      September 27, 2012, 9:11 pm

      This is truly comical. He brought a chart as if he was teaching third grade students. This man is sitting on two hundred war heads. Palestine is being ethnically cleansed and no one is paying any attention because the focus is all on Iran.

    • tear-stained uzi
      September 28, 2012, 12:49 am

      I’m pretty sure that mocking Bibi’s cartoon bomb is antisemitic.

  2. LanceThruster
    September 27, 2012, 2:34 pm

    Is this an episode of Itzhak and Scratchy?

    • Adam Horowitz
      September 27, 2012, 3:58 pm

      Love it

      • LanceThruster
        September 27, 2012, 4:47 pm

        Thanks. Along the lines of pointing out those that have been claiming that Iran has been two years away from having a bomb (at least now qualified by saying “two years away from having the capability of building a bomb”) for a couple of decades, I’d love to see this photoshopped with Natenyahu dressed in period garb from the previous decades.

        The Ozzy Bon Halen mock up is indeed brilliant. Absolutely perfect response.

      • AlGhorear
        September 28, 2012, 2:26 pm

        Tough to compete with Ozzy’s cartoon, but I like this one too:

        Latuff

  3. Woody Tanaka
    September 27, 2012, 2:45 pm

    Next, he’s going to have a chart showing how Mossad will “get Moose and Squirrel.”

  4. LeaNder
    September 27, 2012, 2:51 pm

    Jeffrey Goldberg ‏@JeffreyGoldberg

    It is precisely because Iran’s nuclear program is such a threat to Israel that turning to cartoon bombs to explain the issue is a lousy idea

    Just in case somebody wondered if Goldie–point of no return–Goldbug had an ephiphany, a deeper comprehension of reality. ;)

  5. American
    September 27, 2012, 2:57 pm

    LOL…just shows again that Zionist think other people are somewhat dumb and have to be shown very simple kindergarten level ”see spot run”,spot runs fast’ visual aids to learn.

    • seafoid
      September 28, 2012, 3:42 pm

      Abbas should have shown a photo of the Warsaw ghetto and said this is Gaza today. But the Arabs don’t have the PR genius.

  6. Mndwss
    September 27, 2012, 3:12 pm

    “What a mistaka to maka”. Netanyahu forgot to put the bomb in a turban!

    Netanyahu reminds me of Captain Alberto Bertorelli from Allo’ Allo’ !

    link to youtube.com

    An idiot who makes a lot of mistakes, but has a lot of medals!!!

    • amigo
      September 28, 2012, 5:11 am

      Mndwss says “What a mistaka to maka”. Netanyahu forgot to put the bomb in a turban!

      Or maybe he could have engaged the services of those Israeli Jewish children who were photographed writing hate messages on bombs to their counterparts in Lebanon.

  7. seanmcbride
    September 27, 2012, 3:13 pm

    Thoughts on Netanyahu while watching his speech: abrasive, belligerent, bellowing, bombastic, bullying, demands all your attention all the time, in your face, messianic, much too high maintenance, neurotically needy, oppressive, overbearing, self-obsessed, suffocating, triumphalist.

    From what I have been able to gather, quite a few Western leaders share these impressions. He is not helping Israel or Zionism.

    No wonder Obama is avoiding too much face time with him — especially taking into account that Netanyahu and his mafia network have crudely tried to torpedo Obama’s reelection *and are continuing to do so*.

    • American
      September 27, 2012, 4:35 pm

      @ sean

      you forgot paranoid and narcissistic.

    • hophmi
      September 27, 2012, 5:02 pm

      “Thoughts on Netanyahu while watching his speech: abrasive, belligerent, bellowing, bombastic, bullying, demands all your attention all the time, in your face, messianic, much too high maintenance, neurotically needy, oppressive, overbearing, self-obsessed, suffocating, triumphalist.”

      Yes, and I’m sure you’re an objective source, LOL. It’s funny. I’d use the same adjectives to describe you.

      “No wonder Obama is avoiding too much face time with him — especially taking into account that Netanyahu and his mafia network have crudely tried to torpedo Obama’s reelection *and are continuing to do so*.”

      Mafia network? Another conspiracy theory, Sean?

      • FreddyV
        September 27, 2012, 6:19 pm

        Come on Hoppy, where’s your sense of humour? You’ve got to admit he looks very comedic holding up a pic of the Acme bomb from Bugs Bunny.

        The scary thing is, he’s making Ahmadinejad look like a rational player.

      • Kris
        September 28, 2012, 11:13 am

        Actually, Ahmadinejad’s speech at the U.N. was entirely rational.

      • Kris
        September 28, 2012, 11:33 am

        Here’s the full transcription of Ahmadinejad’s speech:

        link to ibtimes.com

        Unlike Netanyahu’s speech, Ahmadinejad’s speech is not about trying to gin up a war of aggression.

      • chinese box
        September 27, 2012, 7:19 pm

        Are you a supporter of Netanyahu?

      • Annie Robbins
        September 29, 2012, 1:55 am

        you have to ask box?

  8. Kathleen
    September 27, 2012, 3:17 pm

    Oh yeah Ari Fleisher another member of the purposely out CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame telling us that Bibi’s use of that chart was “gripping” Ari “is the world listening?” Hopefully not to you or Bibi.

    Fleisher should be in prison with the rest of the U.S. traitors who outed Plame

    • LanceThruster
      September 27, 2012, 4:48 pm

      In a just world, that would certainly be a start.

    • MRW
      September 27, 2012, 8:05 pm

      Ari’s the head of the Republican Jewish Coalition, isn’t he, the organization that jewsonfirst.org sent out the 38 million anti-Muslim DVDs.

  9. radii
    September 27, 2012, 3:20 pm

    Here’s what the picture should be:
    link to imgur.com

  10. mig
    September 27, 2012, 3:21 pm

    Did he mention the holocaust in his speech ? Every Israeli leader have to mention holocaust in UN at least at once.

  11. joemowrey
    September 27, 2012, 3:24 pm

    This one goes into the history books right alongside Colin Powell’s cartoon illustrations of the “mobile weapons labs” in Iraq. And just like those absurd claims, Bibi’s nonsense will be bought, hook line and sinker, by the pro-Zionist U.S public, which is who this speech was for.

    • ColinWright
      September 27, 2012, 4:04 pm

      joemowrey says: “… And just like those absurd claims, Bibi’s nonsense will be bought, hook line and sinker, by the pro-Zionist U.S public, which is who this speech was for.”

      I dunno. I’ll grant getting in under the bar of the average US voter’s intelligence can be surprisingly hard — but Netanyahu may have done it with this. It’s pretty bad. I’m picturing your average ‘Christian’ truck driver from Tennessee looking at this — and I think he’s going to figure out he’s being talked down to. He won’t like it.

      • Carowhat
        September 28, 2012, 2:00 am

        “I’m picturing your average ‘Christian’ truck driver from Tennessee looking at this — and I think he’s going to figure out he’s being talked down to. He won’t like it.”

        Yeah, but then he’ll see Netanyahu claiming God gave the Middle East to Israel and your average Christian will say, “The man’s got a point. I read that too. It was in the bible.”

        There is no defense against people who believe fairy tales.

      • ColinWright
        September 28, 2012, 5:11 am

        Carowhat says: ““I’m picturing your average ‘Christian’ truck driver from Tennessee looking at this — and I think he’s going to figure out he’s being talked down to. He won’t like it.”

        Yeah, but then he’ll see Netanyahu claiming God gave the Middle East to Israel and your average Christian will say, “The man’s got a point. I read that too. It was in the bible.”

        There is no defense against people who believe fairy tales.”

        We’re still better off than we were before. It’s like what I mentioned elsewhere: the thing to do is to nudge everyone over a bit.

        Now the truck driver is aware Netanyahu thinks his audience are morons. That’ll make him (a) that much less of an enthusiastic Israel supporter, and (b) that much more susceptible to further arguments.

        Three hundred million Americans aren’t all going to see the light all at once. But three hundred million Americans can all be moved three millimeters away from Israel and three millimeters towards accepting an end to US support for that place.

      • HemiFaulk
        September 29, 2012, 12:11 pm

        Good point as evidenced by the careful writing of Birnbaum. More writing of the same nature to slowly move away from past unfettered support without debate on all matters regarding Israel will be good for both nations. Writers fear for their careers prevents them from being objective, much less opinionated, though looking at the Dowd swearing and now Birnbaum carefully navigating the waters it would seem the tide is turning.

  12. Taxi
    September 27, 2012, 3:35 pm

    “Bibi’s got the Looney Tunes bomb” – Dylan Byers @DylanByers

    LOL! Just about the most accurate description!

  13. BillM
    September 27, 2012, 3:35 pm

    It’s really tough to get past the cartoonishness (and actual cartoon) of Bibi’s speech, but to get to the substance of it, his “red line” was an incredible climb-down. He set his “red-line” NOT at any further Iranian enrichment, NOT at Iran having a stockpile of low-enriched uranium, NOT at continued development of Fordow, NOT at medium (20%) enrichment, but finally at Iran having a stockpile of medium-enriched uranium sufficient to further enrich to weapons-grade and make a single bomb.

    That’s pretty far in the future. If it takes very roughly 50 kg of HEU to make a bomb, then the standard becomes roughly 250 kg of medium enriched uranium. As b noted last month, Iran’s stockpile of enrichable medium enriched uranium (roughly 100 kgs) actually has been DECREASING (from 101 kg to 94 kg):

    link to moonofalabama.org

    Hence Netanyahu, who has been threatening imanent war for years, set his own little red-line at a time he doesn’t see happening earlier than next summer, and in fact is getting closer at all right now. What a weak ending to his charade. It was put up or shut time, and Netanyahu couldn’t do either.

    • BillM
      September 27, 2012, 3:39 pm

      And, I should point out, he even left himself a fall-back position. His cartoon could be interpreted as allowing his “red-line” at enrichment up to 90%. That’s the way Israel’s NY Consulate interpreted it:

      Israel in New York ‏@IsraelinNewYork
      PM #Netanyahu calls for “Red line” first and foremost on Iran’s attempts to enrich uranium to 90%. After that, it’s too late

      • Dutch
        September 29, 2012, 10:45 am

        “Israel in New York ‏@IsraelinNewYork
        PM #Netanyahu calls for “Red line” first and foremost on Iran’s attempts to enrich uranium to 90%. After that, it’s too late”

        Touché, Bill. Actually this statement by the consulate is worth its own post on MW. Adam, did you notice this?

    • Denis
      September 27, 2012, 11:29 pm

      Thanks, BillM
      It looks like you’re the only one in this echo chamber to have actually watched the speech, or at least understood it in the context of Bobo’s past “red lines.”

      Bobo’s UN position is indistinguishable from ‘Bama’s “no nuke” position, which seems to say the US would live with Iran at a break-out position so far as it doesn’t take the critical steps of assembly. Bobo’s line is between production of sufficient MEU and production of HEU. But . . .

      Bobo tries to present the technology as if all the MEU has to be produced before the HEU production starts. By the time Iran has completed medium enrichment, high enrichment will be well under way or near complete, if it’s not already. So there is precious little time between Bobo’s line and ‘Bama’s line. Days. Weeks. Not months.

      IOW, ‘Bama won this one. I doubt if we will hear any more talk from Bobo about “no more enrichment, period.”

      I actually didn’t think the speech was all that horrible. Guess, like BillM, I’m not small-minded enough to focus just on the quality of his graphic to gauge the content of the speech. What pissed me off was more significant issues like the way he had a separate piece of paper for each sentence and him not putting the cap back on the red Magic Marker. Waste of paper; waste of Magic Markers.

      BTW, I don’t understand why all the US delegation except for one were listening to the the speech through interpreter headphones. Were they getting a Hebrew translation? Nobody in the Israel delegation needed a translation from English.

      • WeAreAllMadeOfStars
        September 28, 2012, 12:14 pm

        Who ever told you they were listening to the speech. They must have been listening to some kind of cool Arabic DJs instead …

    • Citizen
      September 28, 2012, 4:50 am

      @ BillM
      In his full Fox TV interview, Kissinger said the US had to declare in detail its red line to the Iranians in no uncertain terms–his timetable was one year, qualified by saying Israel may well attack before then, but the US cannot give Israel a green light in advance. I guess he means, not in public anyway.

  14. Shmuel
    September 27, 2012, 3:35 pm

    UN security let him into the GA with a bomb?! An Acme, if I’m not mistaken: link to youtube.com

  15. piotr
    September 27, 2012, 3:36 pm

    Red lines in the annals of history:

    “The 1844 Democratic presidential candidate James K. Polk ran on a platform of taking control over the entire Oregon Territory and used the famous campaign slogan, “Fifty-four Forty or Fight!” (after the line of latitude serving as the northern boundary of Oregon at 54°40′). Polk’s plan was to claim and go to war over the entire territory for the United States.

    Polk won the election with a popular vote of 1,337,243 to Henry Clay’s 1,299,068 (the electoral vote yielded Polk 170 votes vs. 105 for Clay).

    Through negotiations with the British after Polk’s inauguration, the boundary between the U.S. and British Canada was established at 49° with the Treaty of Oregon in 1846. ”

    To summarize, Polk won elections on “red line” plank, so it was a success. But there was no fight and Oregon Territory now forms states of Oregon and Washington, as well as the Province of British Columbia that remains a thorough nuisance, as they compete unfairly with timber and salmon, tolerate marijuana and create insane crowds in Costco south of the border. Thus Polk blinked and we suffer the consequences till today.

    • Philip Weiss
      September 27, 2012, 3:54 pm

      beautiful, thank you

    • HemiFaulk
      September 29, 2012, 1:47 pm

      “Fifty-four Forty or Fight!” was actually used during the Congressional elections of 1846, right about the time we became embroiled in the Mexican War, helped by the fact that much British investment had been lost due to corruption in the Mexican government, resulting in Whitehall pulling out of Mexico before the war began. It was not a campaign slogan nor even mentioned during Polk’s Inaugural Address.

      Polk assured congressmen calling at the White house in 1846 that he was committed to 54° 40′ when in fact he had earlier indicated willingness to settle for the 49th parallel. His political skill recognized jingoism that would involve the British sending over their entire Pacific Fleet plus many new ships, which they threatened to do. The British already had their hands full with a worsening economy, troubles in Ireland and a perceived threat from France, and new taxation for foreign adventures would only add to the challenges.

      The 49th parallel goes back to 1826 when John Quincy Adams sent Sturgis to survey and look for possible ports in NW for northeastern merchants. War with Britain and Mexico simultaneously would have been most unwise, see Operation Barbarossa as an example.

  16. Woody Tanaka
    September 27, 2012, 3:42 pm

    Hmmm.. I wonder whether he chose this particular “bomb” purposefully in order to reference the “Mohammad bomb” cartoon? Why use the same cartoon-style bomb (with the fuse leaning to the same side and about the same size) that was unded in the cartoon, in order to try to depict Iran getting an atomic bomb? One would think a more appropriate symbol would have been a generic missile shape or something akin to a modern bomb. I wonder whether the ‘yahoo was trying to evoke the insult to Mohammad from the dais at the UN. I wouldn’t put it past him.

    • ColinWright
      September 27, 2012, 4:19 pm

      Woody Tanaka says: “…Hmmm.. I wonder whether he chose this particular “bomb” purposefully in order to reference the “Mohammad bomb” cartoon? “

      I think it’s an example of Israel’s almost neurotic superiority complex. They feel compelled to believe that they are smarter, more powerful, braver…just better than anyone else.

      …and it trips them up. Repeatedly. Witness the Yom Kippur War: ‘the Arabs couldn’t possibly surprise us.’ Look at Lebanon 2oo6. The attempted assassination in Jordan. The assassination in Dubai.

      Now this. They have to think their interlocutors are hopelessly inferior. They needed to use an image they would recognize was stupid. The problem is, of course, that it looks pretty stupid to us as well.

      • quercus
        September 28, 2012, 8:32 am

        @ColinWright. Your assessment is accurate, I believe, and I’ve said something similar about Netanyahu using this silly cartoon as a way of telling his audience “I think you are stupid”. Problem is as you say, it makes him look very stupid. It’s hard not to laugh at people with a “superiority complex”; they will always get kicked down and end up looking incredibly foolish.

        How often in the past have we hard about Israel being a “light unto the nations” and what a joke that is. One only has to read Israel’s papers, to understand that Israel is like any other country, it has its murderers, pedophiles, corrupt politicians, and businessmen, petty crime; there is absolutely nothing special about it at all.

  17. Philip Munger
    September 27, 2012, 3:45 pm

    Where are Boris and Natasha when you really need them? How does anyone take this guy seriously anymore?

    • piotr
      September 27, 2012, 5:00 pm

      Clearly, they work UNDERCOVER, you moron. They are there, but not for you (or me) to see.

      But the diagram is from their secret files. Unless it is from Spy vs Spy.

  18. maz
    September 27, 2012, 3:51 pm

    I thought the ACME Corporation went out of business years ago

  19. justicewillprevail
    September 27, 2012, 3:57 pm

    Is this from the zionist schoolbook, the kind of propaganda they are always deploring in others? What a buffoon. Is he auditioning for Sesame Street? Remember Colin Powell at the UN.

  20. Tuyzentfloot
    September 27, 2012, 4:04 pm

    I don’t take serious the idea that because Netanyahu uses bombastic scaremongering it proves that is how he thinks. It’s more a shameless populist communication strategy that is not unlike Ahmadinejad’s. If it works on the target audience, use it. With Ahmadinejad, the target audience is international and often Sunni.

    Maybe Netanyahu found the imagery appealing because it reached two different audiences:
    – there was bombastic scaremongering for a public that’s receptive to this type of message, meaning it works
    – and possibly to the west and very probably to himself there was a covert reference to the top of the bomb actually being Israel: the ‘detonator’ in Patrick Tyler’s article in the LAtimes that was reviewed here today. This article focuses on the blackmailing aspect in relation to the west of the ‘mad dog’ policy, while usually it’s interpreted in relation to the neighbors only.

    • MRW
      September 27, 2012, 4:27 pm

      Netanyahu forgets that the Islamic world—which is now 25% of the world—invented science and the scientific method.

    • quercus
      September 28, 2012, 8:37 am

      @Tuyzentfloot. I listened to all of Ahmadinejad’s speech and I don’t know whether he wrote it, or how much of what he said, he personally believes, but the speech itself was in many parts quite poetic; I was personally impressed by it. He is a politician to be sure, and a very clever one too; he always know precisely what to say to get Zionists shouting and screaming.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        September 29, 2012, 7:43 am

        @quercus, I only read Ahmadinejad’s speech just now and I think it’s quite friendly. But when you say he always know precisely what to say to get Zionists shouting and screaming. I think that is often ment for Arab ears, not Zionist. (Different shapes I suppose.) I wouldn’t draw parallels over all the line -for one thing he’s not warmongering- but Ahmadinejad can be pretty populist.

        I listened to an interview with Hooman Majd last week and he pointed out that the Palestine issue is not a big issue inside Iran and when Ahmadinejad talks about it it’s normally for foreign consumption.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        September 29, 2012, 8:48 am

        Maybe I should put it this way: Ahmadinejad puts a lot of effort in raising goodwill from the arab world, and badmouthing Zionism is part of that. The purpose it not to incite people against Israel.

  21. ColinWright
    September 27, 2012, 4:12 pm

    Well, Fox News doesn’t seem to be too impressed with the propaganda possibilities of the ‘bomb.’

    I can’t say I scanned their coverage carefully — that I couldn’t take. However, I did note that while they delicately alluded to it in their written coverage…

    “The prime minister displayed a “diagram” showing a crudely drawn sketch of a bomb, divided into sections representing the three stages of uranium enrichment. Using a marker, Netanyahu drew a red line before the end of the second stage…”

    …they avoided showing any images of said ‘crudely drawn sketch’. I think Israel’s friends are going to try to preserve a discreet silence about this one.

  22. MRW
    September 27, 2012, 4:24 pm

    I’d forgotten this until I read Clinton Bastin’s recent letter to Netanyahu published on Veteran’s Today. I mean, facepalm for forgetting it. (Bastin was head of creating nuclear weapons at the Oak Ridge Lab for two decades, if I remember correctly. He’s the US expert. There’s a long, long interview somewhere on the web where he describes in detail the difficulty of creating a uranium-based nuclear weapon versus a plutonium-based, and the different processes. Israel has plutonium nukes.)

    Iran uses gas centrifuges to enrich uranium to up to 5% for its nuclear fuel. It’s doing a small amount of 20% enrichment for fueling its medical isotopes machines.

    The output of gas centrifuges is—guess what?—a gas. Fuel. Uranium hexaflouride gas, needed for the nuclear power plants.

    You cannot make a nuclear weapon out of gas. You have to make it out of metal (like plutonium).

    You can revert the uranium hexaflouride gas to metal over time (like 10 or 15 years) but the equipment to do it is rare, and has been regulated worldwide since Chernobyl. The danger of explosion in this process is high. No one in their right mind would try it, like smoking a cigarette around a barrel of naphtha. Especially not for 10 or 15 years.

    So Netanyahu is (1) lying about the danger, (2) trying to bamboozle the world, and (3) making Israel look like it is populated with science idiots.

    • libra
      September 28, 2012, 7:17 pm

      MRW: “The output of gas centrifuges is—guess what?—a gas. Fuel. Uranium hexaflouride gas, needed for the nuclear power plants.”

      This is not the case. The uranium hexafluoride gas is needed for the different uranium isotopes to be separated (either by centrifuge or diffusion) as part of the enrichment process. But the enriched uranium hexafluoride is then converted back to uranium oxide pellets which are then further processed into fuel rods. See the nuclear fuel cycle.

      Also I don’t see why anyone should believe the process to reduce uranium hexafluoride back to metal or oxide form would be particularly difficult for any organisation that has mastered the enrichment process. See this for more details on the chemical equations.

      Also it’s certainly possible to produce nuclear weapons from highly enriched uranium (metal) though plutonium seems to be generally preferred as a smaller mass is needed. Indeed, if Iran really just wanted nuclear weapons a small research reactor (like Israel’s Dimona) to produce plutonium would seem the easiest route although any such Iranian reactor would be subject to IAEA inspections (unlike Dimona).

      But the above does not lend Bibi any more credibility than his pathetic cartoon does. However, I think it is a mistake to believe a country such as Iran lacks the inherent capability to produce nuclear weapons if it really wanted to. For that reason alone, why treat Iran as a pariah? After all it is North Korea not South Korea that has produced nuclear weapons, though who would doubt South Korea easily could if it wanted to? Sadly the chances of a modern day Nixon radically changing US policy towards Iran from isolation to engagement seem to be very small.

  23. gingershot
    September 27, 2012, 4:25 pm

    Darn I wish that cartoon would just explode…

    • LanceThruster
      September 27, 2012, 6:47 pm

      Great graphics potential (Netanyahu with a blackened face and his “bill” turned aroud like Daffy Duck). The duck representation might be tough to pull off so just make it Elmer J. Fudd after a shotgun blast to the face and have the hunting cap askew.

  24. ColinWright
    September 27, 2012, 4:39 pm

    On the other hand, the NYT is displaying the bomb image prominently:

    link to graphics8.nytimes.com

    Reading the tea leaves, that’s interesting.

  25. ColinWright
    September 27, 2012, 4:46 pm

    The beauty of it is that at this point, I think a good deal of Israel’s US constituency needs a more moderate, rational Israel. It’s time for us to be taken out to dinner, maybe bought a new dress…

    That’s not what we’re going to get. What we’re going to get is more Netanyahu — only worse, as he has to appease the far-, far- right within Israel. More aggressive dispossession and settlement in the West Bank, more provocation of the Palestinians, more blatant saber-rattling, more pandering to the ultra-orthodox…

    It’s the slide. Sell that TEVA stock now…

    • chinese box
      September 28, 2012, 9:39 am

      @Colin

      Go Bibi!!!

      I agree, if Labor or one of the other parties gets in and a new 10+ year peace process with Israeli preconditions and “confidence building” crap begins anew, it spells the end for the Palestinians. For all his faults I think Obama understands what a joke that would be, and he doesn’t want to waste his political capital on such a farce like Bill Clinton did. Thankfully he’s shown no inclination to start peace processing again.

  26. seafoid
    September 27, 2012, 5:02 pm

    Ozzy bon Halen made me laugh out loud

  27. xanadou
    September 27, 2012, 5:21 pm

    I cannot wait to read the reaction of the Israeli press. Here’s one by the Guardian:
    link to guardian.co.uk

    If he wants the war that badly, he is free to squeeze into his old uniform, grab Ari Pansa, mount his broomstick and invite geller as his cheerleader, as they brave their way across the land with his paper bomb and shiny medals to reflect the killer sun rays.

    His final act in the public limelight as he exits stage-right into ignominy. Way to go, moronN!

    • ColinWright
      September 27, 2012, 7:04 pm

      “Israeli prime minister’s explicitness is unlikely to endear him to the Obama administration, but it was certainly memorable”

      The British are mean! That was a very hurtful thing to say.

  28. pipistro
    September 27, 2012, 5:23 pm

    Compared with this clowning, Colin Powell and his test-tube hoax were serious.

    • MarkF
      September 28, 2012, 8:39 am

      “Compared with this clowning, Colin Powell and his test-tube hoax were serious.”

      Right, Powell’s gotta feel just a little better about his presentation. Maybe he’s thinkin, “Hey, mine was a sham, but at least it it’s not going to be immediate late-night tv fodder.”

      Hopefully Bibi doesn’t lead us down the same path though.

  29. ColinWright
    September 27, 2012, 7:06 pm

    “Netanyahu: ‘I feel the support of the entire Israeli people’ “

    Good stuff. Does that mean they’re going to follow you off the edge of the cliff?

  30. Dan Crowther
    September 27, 2012, 9:30 pm

    But he drew his red line just below the final stage, before it was any ability to enrich uranium. Isn’t this evidence of Bibi moving his “red line”?

    • Egbert
      September 28, 2012, 7:13 am

      He certainly didn’t use a permanent marker pen to draw the line.

  31. Shingo
    September 27, 2012, 10:24 pm

    Bibi’s use of that chart was one of the most effective, gripping, uses of a chart I’ve ever seen. Is the world listening??

    No Arri, we were too busy watching this train wreck in real time.

  32. Henry Norr
    September 27, 2012, 10:47 pm

    Check out Khalil Bendib’s cartoon about Netanyahu and his red lines at
    link to bendib.com

  33. talknic
    September 28, 2012, 1:44 am

    Oh dear, Bibi has completely lost the plot.

  34. Shmuel
    September 28, 2012, 2:18 am

    Top headline in Hebrew Haaretz this morning:

    The Bomb that Wasn’t Funny
    Netanyahu Prepares for Nuclear-Scented Elections
    Prime Minister names summer 2013 as last chance to stop Iran. If he calls early elections in February, security agenda will dominate campaign.

    And some visual comments on Netanyahu’s masterful use of graphics (sorry, Hebrew only, scroll down): link to haaretz.co.il

    • LanceThruster
      September 28, 2012, 6:35 am

      Great link, great graphics.

    • MRW
      September 28, 2012, 10:38 am

      The Hebrew Haaretz “visual comments” are hysterical, Shmuel.

    • MarkF
      September 28, 2012, 10:58 am

      Good one. I’m fond of anything with Daffy, Bugs and Wiley E.. Bibi fits the genre to a tee.

  35. seafoid
    September 28, 2012, 5:07 am

    I thought the picture could be interpreted as follows :

    Israel controlled around 70% of Palestine in 1948
    With the settlements it’s 90%
    The final stage involves total annexation
    Israel will then explode

  36. Citizen
    September 28, 2012, 6:27 am

    There’s no traffic light in sight. Bibi wants the US to declare the trigger for its green light to attack Iran while Israel itself will not give the US its own trigger to attack Iran. This article says Obama said some time ago to the inner circle that he won’t help or hinder any attack Israel decides to do: link to foreignpolicy.com

    The article also says General Dempsey’s public statement the US does not want “to appear complicit” in any Israeli attack on Iran had to have been authorized by Obama. Says that was a direct signal to Iran as US fears Iran will assume US complicity if Israel attacks. The US has been looking at the various military options Israel has with which to attack Iran, considering its available weapons. One rule of thumb is if Israel attacks without giving US warning first, US casualties will be higher.

  37. wes
    September 28, 2012, 6:32 am

    the chutzpah of a former special forces officer on full display,completely diverting attention from anything the arabs had to say including abbas,s bid for un membership

  38. quercus
    September 28, 2012, 8:23 am

    More than the silly cartoon bomb, which by its use Mr. Netanyahu seems to be saying to his audience, “you’re not very smart so I must use this 3rd grade device so you will understand”, I must ask the question: is Netanyahu saying the red line should be drawn at 90% uranium enrichment by Iran? 90% enrichment is weapons-grade enrichment. Does the clown know what he is saying?

  39. Blake
    September 28, 2012, 8:48 am

    The man is not only insane he has zero pride in how he comes across. Should never have given up his day job of being a furniture salesman.

    • ColinWright
      September 28, 2012, 4:57 pm

      Blake says: “…Should never have given up his day job of being a furniture salesman.”

      That’s the guy to a tee! He missed his calling. One of those over-priced, ‘quality’ lines. Let’s give him some credit. He’d be right for the job. I could see him schmoozing me into spending $3000 for a dresser.

  40. llm
    September 28, 2012, 10:37 am

    Matt Bors also has a funny cartoon of this infamous “red line”

    link to mattbors.com

  41. Blake
    September 28, 2012, 11:12 am

    They believe that Palestine belongs to them because of some myths they misinterpreted so what ya expect? A sane leader?

  42. MarkF
    September 28, 2012, 11:29 am

    Jon Stewart talks about it around 13 minutes in. Brief, funny, too the point.

    link to thedailyshow.com

  43. doug
    September 28, 2012, 1:13 pm

    In wondering why he would use such a visual it occurred that he is targetting the 51%. Not the people at the UN and not the elites. He’s aiming at a visual that will be remembered by the masses even while being ridiculed by the New Yorker, etc.
    It’s designed to keep the politicos in fear.

    • Philip Weiss
      September 28, 2012, 2:11 pm

      excellent point

      • Citizen
        September 28, 2012, 3:20 pm

        Yes, doug
        It’s a Pam Geller strategy all the way. (Goebbels was good at it too)

    • Annie Robbins
      September 29, 2012, 2:13 am

      doug, of the 51% he is targeting (which i believe is an over reach), maybe only 10% of them will watch the UN speech.

      • doug
        September 29, 2012, 11:37 am

        Yuck.

        link to timesofisrael.com

        “Instead, Netanyahu was speaking over Obama’s head, directly to the president’s employer and boss: the American voter.”

        There it is. It’s also disgusting in the implicit elitism.

  44. Blake
    September 28, 2012, 1:56 pm

    Hilarious Photoshopped pic:
    link to facebook.com

  45. Polly
    September 28, 2012, 3:09 pm

    I wonder what Jon Stewart will make of this? He’ll cover it of course, he’s been all over the most ridiculous outgrowths of Zionism from the nuclear duck comment to the recent Dem convention vote on Jerusalem fiasco – but he always stops short of genuine outrage.
    Who knows, maybe the sheer mixture of stupidity and viciousness in this demonstration might push commentators into new territory?

    • ColinWright
      September 28, 2012, 4:54 pm

      I’m getting this flash of instead of a cartoon bomb being manipulated by real people, of a real bomb being manipulated by figures from a cartoon.

      The thing is, the latter image is much more accurate.

  46. Citizen
    September 28, 2012, 3:22 pm

    In Israel, the media says more than here in US about the subject.
    link to haaretz.com

    • Kris
      September 28, 2012, 3:44 pm

      From the haaretz article linked to by Citizen:

      “(Netanyahu) also rejected the idea that a nuclear Iran could be contained, and ridiculed “the absurd notion that a nuclear-armed Iran would actually stabilize the Middle East.” Given Iran’s record of aggression without nuclear weapons, he said, “just imagine Iranian aggression with nuclear weapons … Who among you would feel safe in the Middle East? Who would be safe in Europe? Who would be safe in America? Who would be safe anywhere?”

      Maybe one of the hasbara posters could fill me in on what Netanyahu means by Iran’s “record of aggression.”

      • AlGhorear
        September 29, 2012, 11:20 am

        From the Onion

        Netanyahu Feeling Like Trip To US To Start World War III Went Pretty Well

        NEW YORK—Following his speech to the United Nations General Assembly this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Friday that he is “pretty satisfied” with his trip to the U.S. to instigate World War III. “All in all, I think I accomplished my goal of pushing humanity toward the brink of complete and utter annihilation,” said Netanyahu, adding that his implicit calls for international military action against Iran, which would ultimately escalate the conflict to an Armageddon-level of death and destruction, went “fairly well.” “I think I did a good job laying the groundwork for a nuclear holocaust that will kill billions of people and eventually end the world as we know it. Sounded like everyone really liked it, too.” When reached for comment, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told reporters that he was “equally happy” with his own efforts to nudge the world slightly closer to a full-blown apocalypse.

  47. notatall
    September 28, 2012, 5:43 pm

    People might want to remember H.L. Mencken’s words, “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

  48. ColinWright
    September 28, 2012, 6:18 pm

    The best take would probably be to show Netanyahu with his ‘bomb’ — then pan to an audience of attentive four-year olds.

  49. tombishop
    September 28, 2012, 9:04 pm

    Jon Stewart:
    “Bibi, what’s with Willie Coyote nuclear bomb? You’re going to pretend that you don’t know what a nuclear bomb looks like? You’re Israel! Run downstairs and look in the basement!”
    link to thedailyshow.com

  50. CTuttle
    September 28, 2012, 9:21 pm

    +972mag has a great compilation up…! Bibi’s ACME bomb at UNGA inspires Israeli meme artists

  51. American
    September 29, 2012, 12:44 am

    WAIT!..It’s worse than you think. Evidently the Israeli gov and IDF use cartoons all the time in their briefings. How scary is that…a gov and military teaching with cartoon aids?
    I was sure Col Lang having been pentagon liaison to Israel would have a comment on this. He, like many of us, said Bibi seems to think others are mentally handicapped and need visual aids.

    Col Lang….
    “In my experience of them, the Israeli government and in particular the IDF liked to give briefings using cartoons as graphics. These comic strips were more or less in the “Mad Magazine” tradition. Look it up. The most serious subjects were discussed this way, often in international meetings. When I first was exposed to this habit I thought it droll, but as I came to see that this practice would be never ending, I began first to be offended and then analytic about the matter. I protested but they continued to do it. Israelis seem to see the rest of the world as “under instruction” and people other than themselves as needing some sort of systematic “support” if comprehension is to be achieved.

    In that context, Bibi’s condescending use of a primitive cartoon as an instructional “crutch” was not a surprise for me. IMO he thinks of us all as childlike and needing a clear focus for our attention and limited cognitive powers. It is for this reason that he endlessly, obnoxiously, lectures all who fall into his “grip” for a few minutes. Since BHO is a bit of a lecturer himself, it is not surprising that sparks have flown between them.

    As Brigadier FB Ali wrote yesterday, the speech itslf was a surprising muddle. It was difficult to know what it was that Bibi wanted from this lecture other than a chance to sneer. He said that Iranian progress toward uranium enrichment must be halted before it reached what he said was the “second stage” of enrichment. He then drew his magic marker line at the 90% level on his cartoon bomb. If I recall correctly 90% is the level of enrichment needed for a fission bomb. What was he trying to communicate?

    He said that the IAEA supports his assertions that the Iranians are proceeding toward the second level of enrichment. This he sometimes said was 70% (labeled 1st Stage) and at other times 90%. (the red line) In fact, the IAEA in its August 2012 report on Iran finds nothing to be diverted from inspection and nothing enriched beyond 20% .

    link to iaea.org

    At some points in his “chalk talk” he referred to production and enrichment at facilities of which “our wonderful intelligence services” as yet know nothing. He “generously” seemed to include the USIC in this description. I suppose he felt that he should since his own services are so dependent on the USIC. Nevertheless, if we know nothing about these facilities, then how can we include their unknown production in our estimates?

    It was suggested to me today that he looked and sounded deranged.”
    pl

  52. Sassan
    September 29, 2012, 3:42 am

    People can make fun of Bibi’s drawing of a bomb detailing Islamic Republic’s uranium enrichment all they want. But as for anyone who watched the speech, there is no doubt that it was very effective; and the speech was superb.

    • Shingo
      September 29, 2012, 7:54 am

      People can make fun of Bibi’s drawing of a bomb detailing Islamic Republic’s uranium enrichment all they want.

      That’ the problem, it was utter fiction, like all good cartoons.

      But as for anyone who watched the speech, there is no doubt that it was very effective; and the speech was superb.

      Those who watched the speech either laughed or buried their head in their hands out of embarrassment . Even Jeffrey Goldberg, the water carrier in chief for Netenyahu, says that Bibbi managed to make a joke of a serious issue.

      It’s hardlybsurprisingnthat a tone deaf, turn fan boy like yourself didn’t realize it.

    • tombishop
      September 29, 2012, 11:07 am

      That depends on your definition of a “superb” speech.   Demagogs are notorious for making “superb” speeches. That’s how they get into positions of power, by hoodwinking the gullible.

      And “Bibi’s drawing of a bomb detailing Islamic Republic’s uranium enrichment.” Really? Studied art at all?

  53. Sassan
    September 29, 2012, 3:42 am

    Bibi’s speech was very good. The fact remains that apocalyptic maniacs have no right possessing apocalyptic weaponry.

    • Shingo
      September 29, 2012, 7:50 am

      Yes it was very good, because Bibbi made a complete ass of himself and has managed to defuse a lot of tension about the issue.

      And yes, I agree that apocalyptic maniacs have no right possessing apocalyptic weaponry, but Bibbi already has them.

  54. Egbert
    September 29, 2012, 9:56 am

    Unfortunately the apocalyptic maniacs already have nuclear weapons (200 at least), along with first, second and third strike delivery methods.

    • notatall
      September 29, 2012, 5:25 pm

      And who are those weapons aimed at? Hint: the Masada complex. Reminds me of Hitler’s promise: “If we lose this war, we will slam the door behind us so that it will be heard for centuries.” And he did.

  55. gingershot
    September 29, 2012, 9:57 am

    Bibi’s Crystal Clear Confusion

    Tangled up in his own lies, Netanyahu has only furthered the exposure and outing of his attempted hoax on Iran

    Like everybody else’s well-founded confusion over Bibi’s red line he drew on his cartoon – Israel itself is confused. I actually think it is Bibi himself who is most confused of all – it’s really just problem that he can’t keep his lies straight – or perhaps isn’t smart enough to.

    Yediot Aharonot, a popular Israeli newspaper, had it’s front page and editorial staff in confusion as well – they just were surprised that Netanyahu was going to draw Israel’s red line at Iran being free to have a stockpile of essentially weapons grade enriched Uranium, approx 15 minutes of further centrifuge spinning away from being fully baked and ready to shape into a warhead.

    Bibi’s cartoon, based on lies, is not only confusing to EVERYBODY – it is exposing his own fraud and lies. Can’t make this up

    ==
    from today’s NYTimes, the inimitable Isabel Kerscher and Dore Gold trying to rescue Bibi’s crystal clear show-and-tell cartoon:

    link to nytimes.com

    But on Friday, Yediot Aharonot, a popular newspaper, published a drastically different interpretation. It assumed, erroneously, that Mr. Netanyahu had been referring not to progress made by Iran, but to actual percentages of uranium enrichment in his diagram, now known as the “Bibi Bomb,” a reference to Mr. Netanyahu’s nickname.

    Iran, which insists that its nuclear program is for purely peaceful civilian purposes, has a stockpile of medium-enriched uranium, or uranium enriched to the level of 20 percent purity. To build a bomb, it would have to convert that uranium to a much higher purity, above 90 percent, a relatively short process.

    “On the assumption that we are talking about enrichment percentages, the Iranians have by now reached levels somewhere between 3.5 percent and 20 percent today,” Nahum Barnea, a leading Yediot Aharonot columnist, wrote on the front page. “Netanyahu said last night that they had reached 70 percent, a considerable leap. It seems to me that he is the first one in the world to name such a number.”

    “Netanyahu draws his red line at a 90 percent level. This level is very close, perhaps too close, to a level that enables the production of a bomb,” Mr. Barnea continued.

    ==
    Dore (‘Mr Formaldehyde’) Gold’s comment is especially priceless:

    ““Netanyahu cannot draw a line at 90 percent enrichment,” Mr. Gold said. “If you get to 90 percent enrichment, the whole of the West is in big trouble.”

    OOOOOPPPPPPSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. giladg
    September 29, 2012, 10:41 am

    Laugh as you may Adam, but remember one thing, Bibi had to adjust his message to the bird brains who don’t seem to be able to understand the bigger message. I guarantee you that in a years time, ask those who watched his speech if they remember the message of the bomb and they will tell you yes. Ask those same people what they understand about the issue, today, and you may find it hard to extract much insight.
    And for the bird brains, yellow cake is not something that you eat. No, it is not a cup-cake either.

    • sardelapasti
      September 29, 2012, 11:25 am

      “And for the bird brains, yellow cake…”
      For bird brains, you sure take the cake. In fact, even for a sparrow that sounds in the minus 2 sigma range.

    • libra
      September 29, 2012, 11:40 am

      giladg: …Bibi had to adjust his message to the bird brains…

      Shouldn’t someone tell Bibi that John Bolton is no longer UN Ambassador?

    • LeaNder
      September 29, 2012, 12:32 pm

      giladg, at the moment I wish we could hire Art Spiegelman as some kind of “visualizing mirror”. It’s not that Art Spiegelman doesn’t know the deep contents Netanyhu’s speech allude to. I know, I know, a speech isn’t a story, thus it may be a hard task to render it in a cartoon. But after all it ended in a “cartoonesque” image. Didn’t it?

      Why do you think that happened? What evidence do you have that Israel is threatened? What real evidence do you have the world is? Do you think I have to distinguish between faces around me especially the ones that seem Muslim or Arabic and better fear for my life? Since after all if Israel is in danger, the world is?

      If you can give me hard evidence, I will immediately be on your side.

      By the way, the line in my head was: Sorry folks, I know, I know, but the mushroom cloud had already been taken.

      And I am not even sure if that is good English.

      • giladg
        September 30, 2012, 10:29 am

        LeaNder, Iran has one of the biggest natural oil deposits on this planet. They don’t need nuclear power, especially in an earthquake zone. Assuming they do need enriched uranium for power plants, only a low level of enrichment is required. They have gone way past that level but in quantity needed and levels. If their intentions were as they say they are, they would open their facilities up to the IAEA. They have also been caught lying on a number of occasions, hiding the existence of entire sites.
        For you it seems satisfactory evidence of a nuclear device is after one (or more) actually goes off? Good luck to you LeaNader and good luck to us all.

      • Ellen
        September 30, 2012, 11:06 am

        gilad, Iran is open and has been open to routine inspections from the IAEA.

        You say “If their intentions were as they say they are, they would open their facilities up to the IAEA.” You mean Israel, right?

        In fact, the IAEA is now in a quandary now because there inspectors are on site at this moment,

        With persistent speculation that Israel might soon attack Iran’s nuclear sites and his own increasingly tense relations with Tehran, the potential dangers facing Amano’s staff on the ground are likely a big worry for the veteran Japanese diplomat.

        If unlucky, they run the risk of being at a site targeted by Israeli missiles and may also face Iranian anger and likely expulsion afterwards. Their departure would greatly diminish the world’s knowledge about the Islamic state’s nuclear programme.
        The IAEA carries out regular inspections of 16 declared nuclear facilities in Iran, including likely Israeli targets such as the underground Natanz and Fordow enrichment plants.

        Scheduled visits take place in daytime during regular work hours, former IAEA Deputy Director General Olli Heinonen said. But there are also “unannounced inspections” at Natanz and Fordow of about 1-2 days per month, he said.


        link to swissinfo.ch

        This whole Iran will have the bomb in two weeks! is hysteria.

      • Shegetz
        September 30, 2012, 11:16 am

        Iran has one of the biggest natural oil deposits on this planet. They don’t need nuclear power, especially in an earthquake zone.

        Yawn.

        Canada has bigger oil reserves than Iran. It has nuclear power plants.

        Keep scraping the bottom of that barrel….

      • Dan Crowther
        September 30, 2012, 11:16 am

        Gilad knows something Ehud Barak doesnt

        Gilad: If their intentions were as they say they are, they would open their facilities up to the IAEA.

        Barak: Interviewer: How long will it take from the moment Iran decides to turn it into effective weapons until it has nuclear warheads?

        Barak: I don’t know; one has to estimate. … Some say a year, others say 18 months. It doesn’t really matter. To do that, Iran would have to announce it is leaving the [UN International Atomic Energy Agency] inspection regime and stop responding to IAEA’s criticism, etc.

        How can the Iranians be simultaneously in “the IAEA inspection regime” while not having their facilities open to inspection? Clown.

      • seanmcbride
        September 30, 2012, 11:30 am

        giladg wrote,

        LeaNder, Iran has one of the biggest natural oil deposits on this planet. They don’t need nuclear power, especially in an earthquake zone.

        Israel has no business dictating to a sovereign nation like Iran how to run its affairs and energy policies — the presumption here crosses over into the realm of the insane.

        From the standpoint of global issues of pressing concern, like global warming and climate change, it is imperative that the world wean itself from oil-based energy sources as soon as possible.

        Regarding nuclear and biological weapons: Israel potentially represents a much greater threat to the world than any other nation, since it is a highly unstable political enterprise, messianic and paranoid in the extreme, and has threatened to exercise the Samson Option if it begins to collapse. Israel may well implode under the weight of its own internal self-contradictions.

      • eljay
        September 30, 2012, 1:03 pm

        >> giladgeee @ September 30, 2012 at 10:29 am

        Israel doesn’t need nuclear weapons, but it has them. What’s that you say? It needs them for self-defence? Great, then Iran needs them for self-defence, too, especially with the incessant calls by Israel for pre-emptive, offensive (i.e., not defensive) strikes against Iran.

        Better yet, let both Israel and Iran open themselves up to full inspections and to do away with any nuclear materials above low-enrichment grade.

        Okay, back over to giladgeee so that he can wail and whine about how only the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” – which remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder – is entitled:
        – to defend itself against (allegedly) bellicose neighbours;
        – to possess nuclear weapons (in the Middle East); and
        – to launch pre-emptive, offensive (i.e., not defensive) strikes against a sovereign and non-aggressor nation.

      • LeaNder
        September 30, 2012, 1:48 pm

        giladg, I am with you considering the earthquake zone. But what about being possibly also willing to push Iran into a corner were it might feel it has no other choice to prevent being turned into another Iraq? Following your master, that is, who may be using dirty tricks.

        They have gone way past that level but in quantity needed and levels.

        Pat Lang

        [Nethanayhu] said that the IAEA supports his assertions that the Iranians are proceeding toward the second level of enrichment. This he sometimes said was 70% (labeled 1st Stage) and at other times 90%. (the red line) In fact, the IAEA in its August 2012 report on Iran finds nothing to be diverted from inspection and a nothing enriched beyond 20% . link to iaea.org

        I don’t manage to get this out of the “html” block editing. This is me again: Are you sure? I am not. Yes that surely was the most efficient and–yes I am assuming–demagogic part of Netanjahu’s speech. Which would merit much more attention than ridicule, I think, by the way.

      • giladg
        September 30, 2012, 3:11 pm

        Not all is open to the IAEA. As Netanyahu said in his speech, if anyone here bothered to listen to, the figures of what Iran has produced has come from the IAEA itself. The situation is even worse than this due to the sites and building they do not have access to.

      • giladg
        September 30, 2012, 3:13 pm

        Dan Crowther, if you analyze what Ehud Barak has said and done, since 1993, you will see a common theme. He has been wrong on every major call he has made. I would prefer that Ehud Barak retires from politics, and yesterday.

      • LeaNder
        September 30, 2012, 5:35 pm

        Not all is open to the IAEA. As Netanyahu said in his speech, if anyone here bothered to listen to

        I listened carefully to Bibi’s speech, giladg. I don’t remember him saying that the Iranians keep special places closed to inspection. Would that be possible for a signatory of the treaty at all? Obviously the IAEA relies not only on what they are told, but also on intelligence or real or suspected locations discovered. I am sure they can demand to inspect whatever they like. You can of course suspect every signatory that he keeps matters partly hidden, but that is a completely different matter. You can suspect everyone to your heart’s delight, that is not knowledge. Didn’t they at one point suspect Saddam to hid matters in one of his many palaces and demanded inspection? Did they find anything there when they had all the chances to check the most remote crevice inside these palaces?

        What I definitively remember though, is that Bibi carefully dropped the remark that the intelligence community “may miss” matters or developments, only after careful praising it of course with special mention of Israel’s own intelligence. Always the master Machiavellian our dear Bibi. Was that the meme planted in your head?

        Go ahead and be worried about Iran, in the end Bibi’s mindset surely will reward you with something you really can be worried about; after all the brilliance of the WOT theory is that you constantly produce the enemies you then can fight.

        What Bibi in fact said, and that was the brilliance of his speech, the production of the necessary Uranium for the bomb is hard to hide, the “fuse” or detonator can be done everywhere in a place the size of a garage.

        Go ahead, give me the precise time frame of the passage, where he said not all is open to IAEA.

      • LeaNder
        September 30, 2012, 5:50 pm

        was the brilliance of his speech, “brilliance” is relative of course.

        I actually consider it demagogic since it was such a well developed argument.

      • LeaNder
        September 30, 2012, 5:56 pm

        He talked about open knowledge to all of us, the claimed the IAEA supported every word he said. That was the part Pat responded to in his comment above.

      • giladg
        September 30, 2012, 6:23 pm

        The first time they got away with lying to the world, shame on Iran. The second time they got away with lying to the world, shame on the IAEA (world).
        Iran set the pattern for lying LeaNder. The fact that your head is still buried in the sand is one of choice you have taken.

      • MRW
        September 30, 2012, 8:52 pm

        @giladg

        Iran has one of the biggest natural oil deposits on this planet. They don’t need nuclear power, especially in an earthquake zone.

        (1) When the Shah made the decision to build 23 nuclear power plants in 1970, Iran presumed its oil fields would be depleted by 2016.
        (2) The mullahs made the decision to make their nuclear power plants subterranean after Chernobyl, 1986; all except Bushehr on the Persian Gulf coast (sea level).
        (3) The new huge oil fields weren’t discovered until the beginning of the 00s.

        Assuming they do need enriched uranium for power plants, only a low level of enrichment is required. They have gone way past that level but in quantity needed and levels.

        (1) It’s not an assumption. They need enriched uranium to power the nuclear power reactors.
        (2) They enrich at 3.5% for their reactors, 20% for their medical isotope machines
        (3) They have not enriched past 20%. (Source IAEA, August 2012. Google it.)
        (4) Nuclear weapon enrichment requirement is 90%; they have not enriched to that level.
        (5) Even if they had enriched to that level, you can’t make a nuclear weapon out of uranium hexafluoride gas, the output of a gas centrifuge.
        (6) You have no idea of the Iranian “quantity needed and levels.” You’re winging it. You haven’t even read the IAEA literature accurately.

        They have also been caught lying on a number of occasions, hiding the existence of entire sites.

        (1) Lying about what? (Your track record here is not exemplary.)
        (2) What sites?
        (3) You haven’t read the reporting requirements of the NPT, nor are you aware of their compliance or you wouldn’t make this silly statement.

        Your tagline is low-level pilpul. Again.

      • Taxi
        October 1, 2012, 12:22 am

        Let me remind gilad that it is the absolute height of hypocrisy to be sitting on a GIANT stockpile of ILLEGAL nukes and be complaining that your neighbors are playing cat-and-mouse with the IAEA.

      • tree
        October 1, 2012, 1:27 am

        To be even more exact, the pinnacle of hypocrisy is lying for multiple decades about your own huge nuclear stockpile and then start complaining that some other country is “lying” about their as yet non-existent nuclear weapon.

      • Shingo
        October 1, 2012, 8:42 am

        The first time they got away with lying to the world, shame on Iran.

        How many times has Israel got away with lying to the world? In any case, Iran is open to inspections and by 2005, had resolved all concerns raised in 2003.

      • Shingo
        October 1, 2012, 8:43 am

        He has been wrong on every major call he has made.

        So has Bibbi, so let’s agree both him and Barak should retire from politics and let the adults take over?

      • Shingo
        October 1, 2012, 8:45 am

        As Netanyahu said in his speech, if anyone here bothered to listen to, the figures of what Iran has produced has come from the IAEA itself.

        Actually, the IAEA’s last report concluded that Iran’s stockpile of 20% U235 UF6 gas had been effectively reduced because some of it had been converted to metal alloy U235 fuel from which further enrichment is practically impossible.

        So if anything, the situation is less worse than it was before and proves that Iran really is enriching to 20% U235 for medical isotope production.

      • sardelapasti
        October 3, 2012, 11:32 pm

        “a nuclear device is after one (or more) actually goes off?”

        Well, you really don’t know when not one, but hundreds of Israelian warheads threatening all Europe and the Middle East will go off because they are in the hands of plum crazy messianic fascists who have already been working for the extermination of their neighbors for more than two generations, have already started 5 or 6 wars of aggression, and are getting worse by the minute.
        So, as long as non-sentient propaganda robots like you yell for “preventive” war, one really should propose to do to the Zionist entity what the Zionist entity clamors it wants done to the certifiably peaceful and law-abiding nation of Iran (whatever its other problems.) Before it gets too late to stop completely crazy tinhorn Duces and Bessarabian nightclub bouncers.

    • ColinWright
      September 29, 2012, 6:23 pm

      giladg says: “…Laugh as you may Adam, but remember one thing, Bibi had to adjust his message to the bird brains who don’t seem to be able to understand the bigger message…”

      Yes, because Israelis are so clever. That’s because they’re Jewish, you see. So they need to talk down to the poor dumb goyim.

      The worst of it is that they are so appallingly clumsy and dim-witted themselves. I’m reminded of this Saturday Night Live take-off on ‘the Invisible Man’ where the joke is the guy only thinks he’s invisible. So he’s in a bar and things, taking people’s drinks, and going ‘ha hah — he doesn’t even realize what happened.’

      Meanwhile, everyone is looking at him, thinking ‘what an asshole.’

      That’s Israel.

      • gingershot
        September 30, 2012, 8:31 am

        Oh – you said it exactly right and so well…

        PS: Here’s the classic original ‘Son of the Invisible Man’ from the 1940 movie – this must have been where SNL got the idea – if you liked SNL then you’ll really enjoy this original. (He’s quite mad and thinks he’s invisible just like SNL)

        link to youtube.com

        The problem is Netanyahu’s narcissism – he not thinks he’s the smartest one in the room, in fact the only one who thinks at all – all the rest are just the cattle in the fields that exist to serve him. This can be used to destroy him but in fact he already self destructively took care of that for us and was hoist on his own petard – KABOOMIE!

        ‘I’ve injected myself with every zio-fantasy known to man and I’m still perfectly sane! Bwahahhahahah!

    • MRW
      September 30, 2012, 9:08 pm

      Bibi had to adjust his message to the bird brains

      Because of the Ashkenazi +15?

  57. American
    September 29, 2012, 2:05 pm

    Such ridiculous children…… cluck,cluck,cluck like a bunch of chickens all the time.

    AP, Reuters Blasted for Netanyahu Nazi Salute Photo

    September 28, 2012 9:19 am17 comments

    Netanyahu’s picture at the United Nations on Thursday published by two of the world’s largest newswires show him making a gesture eerily similar to the infamous Nazi salute.

    The photos capture Netanyahu extending his left arm with his hand in the same formation that was used during the Third Reich to “Heil Hitler”. In Nazi Germany, the right arm was generally used for Nazi salutes, however the left arm was accepted if there was a physical disability.

    “Of the hundreds of professional photos taken at this speech, the AP and Reuters decided to push these onto the wire,” wrote Daniel Halper at The Weekly Standard.

    Abraham Foxman, the National Director of the Anti Defamation League, called the the decision by both Reuters and AP “ugly” and “disgusting”.

    “I can’t believe it, if it in fact happened,” he told The Daily Caller. “I think it is ugly, disgusting, offensive. Strong words to follow.”

    • ColinWright
      September 29, 2012, 6:27 pm

      American says: “Such ridiculous children…… cluck,cluck,cluck like a bunch of chickens all the time.

      AP, Reuters Blasted for Netanyahu Nazi Salute Photo…”

      It’s the pound-pound. The goal is to keep everyone absolutely terrified of saying anything negative about Israel at all. If you do, there’ll be a shit-storm, so just don’t.

  58. Citizen
    September 29, 2012, 4:25 pm

    MSNBC, the Liberal cable TV news show, just had on an Israeli spokesman apropos Bibi’s Daffy Duck bomb: If Iran gets that bomb, it’s the same as Al Quaida getting that bomb. We wanted to make it clear to Dick and Jane.

    • ColinWright
      September 29, 2012, 6:16 pm

      “…MSNBC, the Liberal cable TV news show, just had on an Israeli spokesman apropos Bibi’s Daffy Duck bomb: If Iran gets that bomb, it’s the same as Al Quaida getting that bomb. We wanted to make it clear to Dick and Jane…”

      Don’t people even realize that Iran’s rulers are Shi’a? They hate al Qaeda. They wanted to go in with us on the invasion of Afghanistan.

      No wonder Israelis show us cartoons. They’ve every reason to think we’re morons if we lap up stuff like this.

      • ColinWright
        September 29, 2012, 6:33 pm

        Right now, Iran is quietly doing all it can to make sure the Taliban doesn’t get back in.

        They’ve really got their own agenda. No foolin.’ There isn’t a giant corporate bloc of Muslim evil out there. Our public perceptions of what is going on are positively infantile.

        It ranks with the Nazis’ notions of a Jewish plutocrat-Communist conspiracy — and it tends toward the same end.

        Wholesale slaughter.

      • mcohen
        September 30, 2012, 10:44 pm

        Colin i think you might be right. The war is going to be between arab and iranian and it is here already in syria

      • gamal
        October 1, 2012, 9:53 am

        “and it tends toward the same end.

        Wholesale slaughter.”

        ecce homo, truer words are rarely spoken. crown of thorns and all.

  59. Talkback
    September 29, 2012, 6:27 pm

    Funny, the bomb reminded me of Jonathan Cook’s books cover “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East”:
    link to amazon.com

  60. wes
    September 30, 2012, 5:19 am

    bibi pulled his bomb stunt.
    they chased the iranian delegate down the street.
    what was supposed to be the a p r win for abbas turned into a no show

    well done bibi ,,,10/10

    • ColinWright
      October 1, 2012, 3:00 am

      wes says: “…bibi pulled his bomb stunt.
      they chased the iranian delegate down the street.
      what was supposed to be the a p r win for abbas turned into a no show

      well done bibi ,,,10/10…”

      I’m glad you imagine it was a success. If we can just keep you and people like you thinking you’re winning for long enough…

  61. bilal a
    October 1, 2012, 4:03 am

    Note to MW editors : Israeli linked film makers plan more anti Islamic hate films
    see
    UPDATE 9/30/2012 – Not two, but three more “films” coming our way
    link to theamericanmuslim.org

    • Taxi
      October 1, 2012, 6:22 am

      From bilal’s link:
      “Daniel Pipes and Pamela Geller have also encouraged publishing more cartoons/films etc. until, as Pipes said, Muslims “become accustomed to the fact that we turn sacred cows into hamburger.””

      Pipes manages to offend christian vegetarians, hindus and moslems in one sentence. He also manages to paint American society as violent, irreligionist and gluttonous. In other words, “uncivilized”.

      The whole ‘lets make films that aim to offend’ is pure Goebbels. The islamophobes are also taking advantage of the fact that moslems regard both moses and jesus as true prophets and would never make films to offend either jesus or moses.

      Also interesting to note that there are increasing profits to be made now in the Islamophobic Hate Industry (IHI).

      But I actually wonder, do these hate projects convert decent non-moslems into islamophobes? Islamophobes aren’t shy to express their prejudice, so can someone out there make a documentary on ‘A day In The Life of an Islamophobe’? Turn the cameras on them, let the world see how effed and criminally insane these people really are.

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